The GOP's Pitchfork Populism Is Older Than Trump
But it doesn't have to be the future of the GOP or the country.

As Donald Trump walked into the Mar-a-Lago ballroom where he was about to announce his 2024 run for president, the words "Do you hear the people sing, singing a song of angry men?" boomed over the loudspeakers. Whether or not their politics match those of the protagonists of Les Misérables, the musical from which that song originates, angry men and women have indeed formed the backbone of the Trump political phenomenon over the last seven years.
Today, the question on many minds is whether those still loyal to the former president will be enough to return him to the White House for a second nonconsecutive term—or whether Republican primary voters may finally be ready to try their luck with someone else.
As onlookers try to deduce where the GOP and the country are heading, they may find value in reviewing the journey that led to this point. How did the Republican Party get from Ronald Reagan—a man who read F.A. Hayek and Frédéric Bastiat and who spoke of America as a welcoming "city on a hill"—to the nativism, protectionism, and populism of Trump?
From the moment he launched his first campaign in 2015, pundits and politicos were staggered both by Trump's behavior and by voters' enthusiastic response to it. "Conservatives believed in the magic of a free market unconstrained by government interference, while Trump openly tried to pressure and coerce private companies to act as he thought they should," writes Wall Street Journal editor Gerald F. Seib in a recent book. "Conservatives believe in limited executive power; Trump envisioned himself as a president with wide latitude to use executive orders to do as he pleased. Conservatives seek to reduce government spending; Trump proudly proclaimed he had no desire to cut the fastest-growing government programs."
It wasn't just his rejection of economic liberalism and embrace of big government that shocked people. It was his crude insults, his attacks on fellow Republicans, his willingness to transgress norms and to encourage an ugly us-vs.-them mentality among his supporters.
But in 2020's We Should Have Seen It Coming: From Reagan to Trump—A Front-Row Seat to a Political Revolution (Random House), Seib suggests onlookers shouldn't have been shocked. Anger had long been a recurring theme in right-wing politics.
"The signs were there for years," he explains. "The populist presidential campaigns of Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot; the anti-establishment, anti-intellectual vice presidential campaign of Sarah Palin; the Tea Party revolt; and above all, the rancorous debates over immigration reform were just the most obvious of indicators. Most of us either didn't take them seriously enough or had other explanations."
In 2022's Partisans: The Conservative Revolutionaries Who Remade American Politics in the 1990s (Basic Books), the Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer advances a similar hypothesis: that the real rupture on the right happened almost three decades before Trump burst onto the political scene. "Nearly as soon as Reagan left office," she writes, "the conservative movement he represented began to rapidly evolve, skittering away from the policies, rhetoric, and even ideology" associated with the Gipper. During the '90s, she says, "the sunny optimism of the Reagan era fell away, and grievance politics took over."
Close the Borders and Own the Libs
Seib and Hemmer agree: Before there was Donald Trump, there was Pat Buchanan.
A political commentator and Reagan administration alum, Buchanan eventually adopted a "paleoconservative" worldview: economically protectionist, militarily noninterventionist, socially traditionalist, and rabidly anti-immigrant. In 1992, he announced his decision to challenge incumbent President George H.W. Bush for the Republican nomination with these words: "He is a globalist, and we are nationalists….He would put America's wealth and power at the service of some vague new world order. We will put America first."
Buchanan, Hemmer writes, "develop[ed] a politics that was not just conservative but antiliberal, that leaned into the coarseness of American culture and brought it into politics, that valued scoring political points above hewing to ideological principles." Think of it as a pilot program for the flavor of conservatism today that's obsessed with "owning the libs."
Along the way, the peculiarly angry Buchanan picked up the moniker "Pitchfork Pat"—an implicit callback, Hemmer notes, to "Pitchfork Ben" Tillman, who had "led the Red Shirts, a white-supremacist paramilitary group, in their efforts to seize power in South Carolina in the 1870s" and later "worked to disenfranchise all Black voters, called for lynchings, and encouraged a violent coup."
Though Buchanan's candidacy eventually fizzled, Seib notes that the excitement it generated early on "helped persuade billionaire Texas businessman Ross Perot to run as an independent candidate, pushing a similar anti-establishment message" that rejected both trade and military adventurism. Astonishingly, despite an erratic campaign in which he dropped out in the summer and then reentered the race that fall, Perot claimed nearly a fifth of the 1992 popular vote.
Other Republican pugilists also made waves during this period. Newt Gingrich became House minority whip in 1989 and speaker in 1995. He brought a "scorched earth approach" to both roles, Hemmer writes, weaponizing ethics investigations against his Democratic colleagues and enlisting pollster Frank Luntz "to train Republicans to speak a new language, one that would demonize their opponents and shroud even their most unpopular ideas in a gauze of punchy, positive words." (Ironically, Gingrich was forced to resign from Congress following a corruption scandal of his own, while the American Association for Public Opinion Research formally censured Luntz for unethical polling practices.)
Less remembered today are figures such as Rep. Helen Chenoweth-Hage, an Idaho Republican who made good on a promise to serve just three terms in the House of Representatives and then faded from the scene. But during her stint as a congressman—and she insisted on referring to herself as a congressman—Chenoweth-Hage delighted in pushing the buttons of what certain right-wingers today might refer to as "normies" and "libs." Like the time she showed up at a campaign event in a T-shirt emblazoned with the environmentalist message "Earth First!" on the front; the back read, "We'll log the other planets later."
Then there were the conservative media stars: talk radio hosts such as Rush Limbaugh, who trained a maniacal fanbase to shout "feminazi!" whenever Hillary Clinton's name came up; cable news personalities such as Ann Coulter, who responded to 9/11 by declaring that the U.S. should "invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity"; and public "intellectuals" like Dinesh D'Souza, who wrote a book so flagrantly racist that black conservatives Glenn Loury and Robert Woodson severed ties with the American Enterprise Institute rather than share an affiliation with its author.
All of these figures appealed to a group sometimes referred to as the "middle American radicals," or MARs. This is the same constituency of left-behind blue-collar workers and social conservatives, supposedly long ignored by Republican elites, who fueled the Trump wave in 2016.
At the 1999 Iowa Straw Poll, Buchanan gave a speech that was hostile to trade and immigration, as his speeches always were. "His biggest applause line, though, came near the end," Hemmer writes, "when he said that if he were elected, his first act would be to place Bill Clinton under arrest." More than any particular policy commitment, the MARs seemed motivated by feelings of resentment and a desire to see their enemies humiliated. Trump, of course, would return to that well, leading crowds in exuberant chants of "Lock her up!" a few years later.
Reward Friends and Punish Enemies
If Hemmer's history of conservatism describes the U-turn from Reaganite liberalism to MAGA illiberalism happening earlier than many people realize, another recent entrant in the genre further complicates the story. In 2022's The Right: The Hundred Year War for American Conservatism (Basic Books), journalist Matthew Continetti turns the clock back another seven decades and finds no dearth of economic nationalism or outrage peddling in the interim.
Under Presidents Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge, Continetti notes, the Republican Party of the 1920s was skeptical of internationalism, presaging Buchanan and Perot's opposition to the first Iraq War in the '90s and Trump's repudiation of the second Iraq War during his 2016 run. While Harding and Coolidge tended to support free markets at home, they also favored high tariffs to protect American producers from competition abroad. And like both Buchanan and Trump, they were hostile to immigration.
Proponents a century ago bundled those rough policy positions together under the "America First" banner. Buchanan, as we've already seen, called back to that term in his 1992 announcement speech. Trump, too, invoked it repeatedly on the campaign trail and during his presidency. "A new vision will govern our land," he declared during his inaugural address in January 2017. "From this day forward, it's going to be only America first. America first."
Hemmer says of Buchanan that "he did not run from his more extreme views on race, feminism, and sexuality. Instead, he made them cornerstones of his presidential campaigns…evidence that he would always say what he believed, no matter how outrageous." It was a surprisingly effective tactic: "People liked him because he said outrageous things, because he flouted political norms," she writes.
"Vince Thompson, part of the Buchanan brigade, explained his support to the Los Angeles Times this way: 'We're scared to say what we think some of the real problems are in this country for fear of being called a racist or extremist. Pat says it for us.'"
That should sound familiar, in part because it's the same thing many Trump fans have long asserted about him. "Even when he's not on message or when he's not on issues, he comes across as somebody that says things they would like to say," Limbaugh once explained, channeling his listeners' feelings toward Trump.
But it probably sounds familiar because it's a much older trope as well.
A recurring character in Continetti's book is Gov. George Wallace, an infamous Alabama Democrat who championed racial segregation in the 1960s. Explaining his appeal, the right-wing Dartmouth professor Jeffrey Hart wrote that "Wallace suggests freedom from the conventional taboos. The man says what he thinks. Wouldn't it be fun to do that?"
Finding that outright racism puts a ceiling on one's support, however, Wallace eventually lit on a subtler strategy, one that many a future conservative would also adopt. "As the [1968] presidential election approached," Continetti writes, "he began to downplay his segregationism and stepped up his anti-elitism." His support grew across the board as he fed audiences "a diet of grievances."
Speaking of grievance politics, one group who felt especially aggrieved during this period was the religious conservatives. As time went on, they coalesced into what became known in the '70s as the New Right: those who opposed lax divorce and abortion laws, gay rights, feminism, busing, media bias, and the like. They were intensely socially conservative, and they were livid that their priorities did not seem to be the Republican Party's. Some of them would turn up within the paleoconservative faction a couple of decades later.
The New Right "was different from both National Review and the neoconservatism of…the Wall Street Journal editorial pages," Continetti explains, citing an essay by Kevin Phillips, the architect of the Nixon campaign's so-called Southern strategy. "Their New York–based writers were too removed from Middle America. They were too academic, too upper-middle-class, too closely associated with the Republican Party to be trusted. The conservative intellectuals, Phillips believed, were too interested in maintaining respectability among liberals. The New Right did not care about elite validation." What it did believe in was "aggressive political combat."
Today there's a new New Right, a messy amalgamation of "postliberal conservatives" and "national conservatives," "neoreactionaries" and Trump fans, all united by their own politics of resentment—and their desire to jettison free markets and free trade in favor of a "muscular" government that "rewards friends and punishes enemies," to quote an oft-repeated phrase.
Like the New Right of the 1970s turned up to a higher pitch, the current iteration believes its interests have been overlooked by the institutional Republican Party and the constellation of think tanks and advocacy organizations it mockingly calls Conservatism Inc. Its leaders are uninterested in Reaganesque celebrations of individual liberty and American exceptionalism. It's once again time, they say, for aggressive political combat. And today's New Right is out for blood.
Trust People and Shrink the State
None of the forerunners of today's New Right is a perfect analog. For one thing, many of the groups described in these books were laissez faire when it came to economics—at least for Americans.
Consider that Buchanan's primary challenge to George H.W. Bush was motivated in large part by fury at the latter's decision to renege on his "read my lips: no new taxes" campaign pledge, which confirmed many conservatives' suspicion that he was actually a centrist squish. Buchanan was also doggedly committed to reducing federal spending, while a balanced-budget amendment was at the heart of the Perot campaign.
The Tea Party movement, which Seib sees as a precursor to Trump, was largely driven by limited-government principles. Reducing taxes, regulations, and spending were the centerpieces of the movement's agenda. The spark that lit the initial conflagration was a rant where CNBC's Rick Santelli went nuclear over the idea that Washington should bail out Americans with mortgages on houses they couldn't afford. "We just saw the government was getting too big and doing things that were outside the scope of the government," Seib quotes one Tea Party supporter explaining.
Even the New Right of the 1970s, for all its blustering pitchfork populism, had a libertarian side. "Its aim was a dramatic reduction in the reach of the state," Continetti writes, quoting a New Right activist demanding "99 percent for Defense—keep America strong—and 1 percent on delivering the mail. That's it. Leave us alone."
Today's New Right is, if anything, leftist on economics: enamored of industrial policy, supportive of family subsidies, friendly to labor unions, etc., all with an aim of reaching the working man. But one lesson of 20th century conservative history is that populism need not be linked to calls for an activist central government. Often, anti-elite sentiments emerge as a backlash to feelings of encroachment by the state.
While the New Right today has positioned itself as a rejection of "warmed-over Reaganism"—by which it means reflexive support for free markets and individual liberty—Reagan himself emerged out of the New Right of the 1970s. He offered an alternative to establishment figures such as National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr., whom he debated on Buckley's TV show, Firing Line, in 1978. Like Wallace without the horrifying racial baggage, Reagan stood for a conservatism of "bold, unmistakable colors, with no pastel shades." But nothing about bold, principled politics required the kind of ugly, angry rhetoric associated with Buchanan and Trump.
"Reagan now spoke for the voters who felt ignored or disrespected by bureaucrats, judges, professors, and journalists," Continetti writes. "He did so in uplifting, soothing tones. And he did not dwell on race."
It worked. He defeated incumbent President Jimmy Carter in a 44-state landslide in 1980, then improved on that performance in 1984.
"For decades, movement conservatism had been intractably linked with Arizona senator Barry Goldwater, far-right groups like the conspiratorial John Birch Society, and frothing segregationists unable to come to terms with the success of the civil rights movement," Hemmer writes. Reagan "persuaded a hefty majority of Americans that he was something different."
He did it by embracing optimism and inclusivity, not resentment and distrust—articulating a positive, future-oriented vision in which government is limited and people can be trusted to make decisions for themselves. In the 1980s, Reagan told voters it could be morning in America, and they believed him. As we head into the election of 2024, might Americans be ready to greet the morning again?
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Now do Biden.
That would require admitting that American politics have been little more than populism for decades, something that seems well beyond slade's ability.
The Mar -A- Lago overture struck the right musical note for Trump's Second Inaugural Ball.
The invitations will conclude:
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Now do Biden.
I take this kind of response as complete agreement with everything said about your side in the article. You just want them to extend it to the other side.
I mean, if you actually disagreed with anything, you'd express that disagreement before calling for criticism of Biden, right?
Now do Biden’s new chief of staff. Worth 160 million or so, grifting off Medicare and Medicaid.
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People you are pretending as cultists have called put their disagreements with the right. But that goes against your preferred narrative. Youre aware of that right? Right now the bigger issue is coming from the left. Do you agree with this or not? Where do you think the focus should be?
People you are pretending as cultists have called put their disagreements with the right. But that goes against your preferred narrative.
It goes against my preferred use of the English language, since I don't understand what you were trying to say.
Right now the bigger issue is coming from the left. Do you agree with this or not? Where do you think the focus should be?
No, I don't agree with that. Mostly because I see the bigger issue as being that so many people only want to examine the biases and distortions of truth coming from the other side, whatever side that is.
"It goes against my preferred use of the English language, since I don’t understand what you were trying to say."
It was crystal clear, but nice dodge attempt.
" I see the bigger issue as being that so many people only want to examine the biases and distortions of truth coming from the other side"
So the problem isn't your gigantic press fraud machine like Hamilton 68 leading to thousands of fraudulent political stories in the mainstream press?
And the problem isn't your Whitehouse, CIA, FBI and DHS creating the biggest censorship and illegal spying mechanism in American history?
And the problem isn't your demented, ascientific sexual ideologues pushing for the castration and maiming of confused gay and lesbian teenagers?
And the problem isn't your "it's cool until the moment of birth" abortion policies?
And the problem isn't your blanket suppression of news stories by the FBI and White House showing that the president's son was taking bribes and trading on his fathers influence when he was VP?
And the problem isn't your professional race-baiter class pushing rejiggered Nazi race theory to kids and captured HR departments?
Your problem is people pointing out those things and bitching about them.
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Those who claim to be unbiased here are the biggest ignorant grifters and defenders of the left here. It is 100% consistent.
Leftard Projection is what I call it.
Blaming everyone else for exactly who they are and what they do.
Those who claim to be unbiased here are the biggest ignorant grifters and defenders of the left here.
I don't think I've ever claimed to be unbiased. No human is unbiased. What I do claim is that I attempt to be aware of my cognitive biases and then to counter them. When I'm not successful at that, I expect that people with different points of view will be more than happy to point it out to me. Of course, they could be wrong when they accuse me of bias, just like I can be wrong about having successfully countered my biases, so the discussion can continue productively as long as everyone is willing to support what they say and be open-minded enough to recognize the flaws in their own arguments.
You, " 'Now do Biden.' I take this kind of response as complete agreement..."
"is willing to support what they say"
Problem is; You're are saying it for them entirely FROM your own bias. It's exactly like someone saying because of your statements "I take this" as complete agreement that you're a P.O.S. It's not addressing anything but one's own bigotry.
Domt forget their desire to increase the baseline budget past $8 trillion, guaranteeing our financial collapse.
It was clear even with the autocorrect errors.
You are pushing a narrative here and below.
You are defending a narrative of the article that is lightly defended. You criticoze those below who have mentioned the bias of ignoring the left and attacking the right. The numbers are posted below.
You are pushing a false centrist narrative because you feel yourself a centrist. People ignorant to their own biases are generally the most biased.
Reason has a bias. They utilize selection bias and are guilty of pushing narratives. You seemingly defend this. You call those that point out their biases as being guilty against the biases slade is pushing in the article.
The simple question. What side do you think is the most dangerous to liberty? If you say the left, do you not think the focus should be there?
Your answe was no. And the defense of the answer quite laughable. Because you are biased. You don't want to see the harm from the left. The push of cultural marxism. The same attacks on culture pushed by authoritarians of the past like Mao. Youre biased. But you refuse to acknowledge it.
Or are you going to hide behind an appeal to authority of a fucking reason writer?
I will also add that pushing your false centrism is how you get the neocon/dem unity party bullshit that is a one way ratchet to bigger government. Which you are probably fine with.
well said
People you are pretending as cultists have called put their disagreements with the right.
This is clear? Maybe you can restate it without what you claimed were autocorrect errors, and I might get more of a clue. I can take a stab at it, and you can tell me if I am correct.
"People you are pretending [are] cultists have [stated] their disagreements with the right."
So, first, where was I pretending that anyone was a cultist? Oh, I'm sure that I've said plenty of times before that at least some of the strongest Trump supporters exhibit characteristics of being in a cult of personality, but I don't think there is much disagreement with that outside of strong Trump supporters.
Second, those saying "now do Biden" can have disagreements with "the right", but it seems to me that those people are definitely right of center in this country anyway. That they might not be in 100% agreement with the side they more identify with is not really a counter to anything, since I don't think I suggested otherwise.
You are defending a narrative of the article that is lightly defended. You criticoze those below who have mentioned the bias of ignoring the left and attacking the right. The numbers are posted below.
What numbers? That Reason has more articles tagged with "Donald Trump" or the "Republican Party" than "Joe Biden" or other figures and groups tied to Democrats? So what? Trump very deliberately gets himself into the news far more often than any other politician that came before him or that will likely come after him.
You are pushing a false centrist narrative because you feel yourself a centrist.
I'm not a centrist, moderate, leftist, progressive, libertarian, Democrat, Republican or anything else. I reject ideology and partisanship as being likely to reinforce the biases I already have and lead me to new ones to maintain my identity within a 'tribe'. If that makes it more difficult for me to hold a consistent set of political beliefs, then so be it. I think that is a much better state of mind than trying to line myself up with what some group thinks is right and true.
People ignorant to their own biases are generally the most biased.
Um, yeah? If we don't know and understand our own biases, we can't work to keep them from affecting our thinking and decisions. Was your point that I fit that and you don't? If so, that strikes me as a kind of "he who smelt it dealt it" comeback rather than something meaningful.
Reason has a bias. They utilize selection bias and are guilty of pushing narratives.
Again, yeah? Reason is not a news outlet. It is an opinion and commentary outlet that draws facts and events from actual news outlets the vast majority of the time. I don't think they do much of any original news reporting. Of course they have bias and push narratives. That is their reason to exist. (no pun intended)
You seemingly defend this.
Well, they have a right to push whatever agenda they want, including whatever Charles Koch wants or pays for, if that is what floats their boat. I wouldn't "defend" it, though, nor would anyone need to. I definitely want everyone that reads Reason to recognize that they aren't what they should read to become informed about what is happening in the world, however. They should come here for a particular perspective on events after they have learned about those events from a news outlet that actually tries to be objective, even if they fail at it. Or, don't come here at all, that would be fine too.
You call those that point out their biases as being guilty against the biases slade is pushing in the article.
Well, yeah. Because that is what I am seeing. I see so many people here practically ranting about how evil "the left" is, how Democrats want to destroy the country, steal elections, give everything to China, etc. Is that not exactly the kind of anger Slade was talking about in this article? I was simply pointing out that "now do Biden" in response to an article discussing what happened to the Republican Party since the post-WWII era is an enormous case of deflection, tu quoque or whatever other logical fallacy fits.
Had people been saying, "Okay, here is my response to your criticism of my side, now you should do the same to Biden..." I would probably have been applauding them.
Your answe was no. And the defense of the answer quite laughable. Because you are biased. You don’t want to see the harm from the left. The push of cultural marxism. The same attacks on culture pushed by authoritarians of the past like Mao. Youre biased. But you refuse to acknowledge it.
Maybe you need to reread my answer. [emphasis added]
"No, I don’t agree with that. Mostly because I see the bigger issue as being that so many people only want to examine the biases and distortions of truth coming from the other side, whatever side that is."
You seemed to think that I was claiming that only your side does that. Really, I am saying that it is bad when any side does it. It is not my point to try and say that Republicans and Republican voters are worse at recognizing their own biases and worse at understanding how they are threatening liberty. My point is that people should always look in the mirror before they start in on what they see in other people. I'm not a Christian, but there does seem to be something in the Gospels on point there.
Adans isn’t a Republican. In fact most of us aren’t. We can, however, see the difference between the Dems and the Reps and the existential threat one poses to liberty over the other.
Neither party is an existential threat to America. That is just hyperbolic idiocy. Republicans are hostile to individual rights and Democrats are hostile to free markets. Neither dominates for long enough to substantively change America as a country.
As a nation we are constantly changjng, which is a good thing. Stagnation is a death sentence for a nation. But we change slowly, which is also a good thing. It provides the stability necessary to build for the long-term (be it families, businesses, political movements, or national identity).
Of the various types of political ideologies today, paleoconservatism is the most damaging to America. Not a threat, and certainly not an existential threat, but something that hurts us as a country. It combines the worst cultural restrictions of Republicans with the worst economic restrictions of Democrats and throws in a virulent anti-immigrant element (or even worse, pro-immigrants-who-will-compete-with-Americans-for-good-jobs and anti-immigrants-who-will-take-jobs-that-are-presently-filled-by-illegal-immigrants). Legal immigration is a good thing, illegal immigration isn't.
Socialism will never happen in America. Social Security isn't socialism. Obamacare isn't socialism. Workfare isn't socialism. Socialism is a broad, wide, and deep system that requires fundamental changes that Americans will never accept. And it is a terrible system that doesn't work, as history has shown (and no, China doesn't count because it incorporated capitalist systems years ago). Throw in their emphasis on equity (as opposed to equality) and, as a practical governing system, it is a loser. Socialists are the idiot fringe of the left.
Institutional conservatives are largely on the right track, although their belief in supply-side economics makes the deficit worse and their willingness to fight unnecessary wars in faraway places (*cough* Iraq *cough) is morally and fiscally terrible. The X factor is cultural conservatism, of course. The more there is, the worse for the country it is.
Institutional liberals are the flip side of their conservative counterparts. Their core fiscal beliefs are insane. Large (and expanding) government inefficiently spending ever more money on repetitious social programs and constantly running deficits to feed the beast is disastous. Their belief in equality (not equity, that's a different thing entirely) would be the most efficient way to maximize the innovation and productivity potential of our country, except the Democrats couldn't be efficient if their life depended on it and the Republicans aren't on board.
The reason I'm a libertarian (small l) is that it is the best blend of culture and economics. The free market (lightly regulated to prevent fraud, exclusionary behavior, and monopolies) provides a powerful engine for innovation and efficiency. Cultural freedom (limited by the NAP and the Constitution) provides the same advantages in the social sphere. Cultural traditions, like venerable companies, should be allowed to rise and fall on their appeal to the populace. There should never be anything that is too important to fail, whether that's a bank or a cultural institution like the traditional definition of marriage.
I didn’t say they were a threat to America, I said they were a threat to liberty. Which they unequivocally are both economically (tax and spend, always growing the size and scope of government, overt classism, etc) and socially (anything you can think of to rip on Republicans for, Democrats have also supported or not seriously tried to change, except maybe the 2A. They aren’t even that good on abortion tbh). And I would note that I didn’t say republicans weren’t also a threat, I just don’t see them as the bigger one.
“As a nation we are constantly changjng, which is a good thing. Stagnation is a death sentence for a nation. But we change slowly, which is also a good thing. It provides the stability necessary to build for the long-term (be it families, businesses, political movements, or national identity).”
On this we can definitely agree.
“Socialism will never happen in America.“
I would argue that socialism’s better dressed cousin has been en vogue here for nearly 100 years.
As for the rest, I think we are in pretty close agreement and I apologize for any invective I’ve hurled at you in the past.
"I would argue that socialism’s better dressed cousin has been en vogue here for nearly 100 years."
I would argue the definition of "socialism" used by the paleocons and cultural conservatives here is so vague and loose as to be meaningless. But the "better dressed cousin" comment made me laugh out loud.
"As for the rest, I think we are in pretty close agreement and I apologize for any invective I’ve hurled at you in the past."
No worries. I appreciate you reading my post with an eye towards trying to understand what I was saying rather than finding some minutae to focus on. Thank you.
I don't think many here think Trump is some kind of ideal president. The reason people spend so much time defending him is that there are so many ridiculous takes and absurd criticisms about the man.
Low information voters assuming he can't be that bad, since he was Obama's VP?
Unfortunately for his supporters, Harris has no similar halo effect to draw on.
Plus she sounds like an imbecile whenever she opens her mouth.
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Reason: "Dear Leader Joe Biden We Love You and Would Never Criticize You!"
A Chinese military balloon has entered US airspace where current president Biden (D) has not taken kinetic measures to stop it ostensibly due to fears that densely populated Montana could be negatively affected and this progressive-libertine periodical instead gives us this article.
https://twitter.com/james_t_quinn/status/1621728423222599680?t=NSIIT2eDeKm3_TUZft4Pnw&s=19
Bloomberg reports that the White House kept the balloon’s presence under wraps for fear of derailing the Blinken trip, until local media in Billings Montana published a picture of it on Thursday afternoon.
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If the balloon had anti-black history messages stenciled on it, or if it were dropping anti-trans pamphlets down to earth, or if it were broadcasting denunciations of wokeness non-stop, MAGA would be pro-balloon. They’d be welcoming the balloon. They’d be worshipping the balloon.
Bill Kristol is a retarded fucking neocon asshole warmonger.
Exactly Reason's type
Give him a rifle and a helmet and a ticket to Kiev.
That offer should be available for all neokenservatives.
I see what you did there.
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If the balloon had anti-black history messages stenciled on it, or if it were dropping anti-trans pamphlets down to earth, or if it were broadcasting denunciations of wokeness non-stop, MAGA would be pro-balloon. They’d be welcoming the balloon. They’d be worshipping the balloon.
If the balloon had dropped 3rd trimester abortion pills, branding with a red circle and line through Trump, or coupons for youth gender change surgeries the left would be grostulating.
Third trimester abortion pills? That's about as real as widespread youth gender change surgeries, so at least you're consistently clueless.
Or perhaps you are consistently humorless.
That statement is just dripping with contempt for anyone who isn't part of the establishment class or a beltway insider, and yet morons like Slade can't figure out why the rank and file have moved towards populism.
GOPe like Kristol and the Democrats have driven them there with a bullwhip, Stephanie.
When the ruling class doesn't even bother hiding their contempt and raw hatred for the ruled, the ruled start to look for their own solutions.
That sounds deplorable.
Christ what an asshole.
Isn’t that what Tony’s most recent date said to him?
I would like to add that trump go booed at a Maga rally when he's said people should get the jab. It's pretty odd for a cult leader to get booed in fron of a crowd of supporters
We are 2 years out from a presidential election in which the subject of the article is unlikely to get the nomination. This article and the series of hit jobs against Republicans being printed in Reason are ridiculous partisan garbage. They choose to focus on these attack ads while Democrats are in power and repeatedly violating libertarian principles.
Wtf, Slade... why did you choose to be a TDS hack? Why keep saying that right-wing populism is such a threat when it is a response to outright fascism from the left? I don't say "fascism" as a meaningless slur since we have documented examples of partisan actors cycling between the bureaucracy, the democrat party, and leadership positions in many industries. Reason keeps ignoring that the government is implementing left wing political priorities through coercion and collusion with supposedly private sector entities. One would think that actual fascism and corruption is more important to cover than people finally becoming tired of the radical pushes in bith the private and public sector. A libertarian magazine should at least recognize that in this culture war that one side is consistently the aggressor and therefore the violators of the NAP.
she's hitched to the marxists of the DNC so she has to do something to distract from the riots and targeted assassinations being carried out by their foot soldiers, plus any chance to repeat that hordes of uneducated economic migrants and child mutilation are good is a chance she cannot afford to miss.
Yes. They use Marxists and Marxism as a means to an end, but their own philosophy is essentially fascism.
She’ll make money from pharmaceutical stocks- the mutilation drugs, surgeries etc. I think the back end around this chemical castration is eugenics, in a roundabout way while getting rich.
“in which the subject of the article is unlikely to get the nomination”
What are you basing that assertion on? Trump is leading in polls.
I bet you're just itching to saddle up as White Knight again, huh?
Were these the same polls that said Hillary was going to win in 2016?
Um, no. That was in 2016. It’s 2023 now.
“one side is consistently the aggressor”
Baloney. There has been plenty of aggression from both Teams Blue and Red.
Fuck off sea lion. Everyone is tired of your false assertions.
Everyone is tired of you speaking for everyone.
Quit sockpuppeting Shrike, and Jesse is right.
Okay Jesse
Poor shrike hates his socks getting called out.
You’re not good at this Kiddie Raper.
Thanks shrike!
The aggression is almost always initiated by the progressives and establishment class; and yet the second the proles stand up for themselves and fight back, there's idiots like Mike shrieking "Both sides!".
Of course. Things like contraception, interracial marriage, divorce, abortion, and gay marriage were clearly aggression against ... I'm not really sure.
You'll have to help me out because none of those things impact anyone else, but cultural conservatives swore up and down that allowing them would lead to Really Bad Things.
Unless you think that legislation banning personal freedom is OK as long as you don't like the behavior? But you would never be such a hypocrite, right?
1) Boaf sidez
Like gas stoves? The Dems in power literally say they need to ban gas stoves, everyone objects, and all Reason complains about is Republicans (and libertarians, presumably) starting a cultural war over gas stoves.
Progressives and wokies start teaching CRT, 1619, and gender fluidentity to kindergartners, GOP governors forbid it, and that is GOP starting a cultural war.
Wokies push pre-puberty gender mutilation surgery, GOP governors and legislators forbid it, and that is GOP starting a cultural war.
Why would Reason and its owner NOT prefer fascism to socialism or communism?
There's no fundamental difference between those 3 things, just slight variation in styles
Fascist get to keep their capital, what does it matter to them how the government directs it.
Public /Private enterprises/partnerships are bipartisan in my neck of the woods- everyone gets a piece of the action. Now we have hyperinflation in labor costs, housing, infrastructure costs, etc. It’s not as bad as the 1.7 million public potty stall in San Francisco, but we’re getting closer.
Crony capitalism/fascism/tribal authoritarianism is the best kind of democracy.
"one side is consistently the aggressor and therefore the violators of the NAP."
Very true. So why are you being an apologist for the cultural conservatives who are trying to force everyone to act like them?
You should stop doing that.
The Mises Caucus is determined to be as shitty as all other LP factions.
This is seriously pathetic.
https://twitter.com/LPMisesCaucus/status/1621864935339823106?t=qtmao65x3LjUYyo7M86lsw&s=19
If the response to the #SpyBalloon has taught us anything, it’s that the American public education system is a failure.
I really don't understand the Reasonista's hatred for them. They're almost as captured by establishmentarians as they are.
China was probably just scouting out which Montana ranches to buy next.
For dental floss production? Frank Zappa wouldn't put up with that!
Now they’re talking about shooting the balloon down—over the Atlantic Ocean. Wait till you sea the diplomatic waves tide in to this development!
A Red Tide no less.
Ackshuyally, if it’s not at Absolute Zero Degrees Kelvin, all things are kinetic.
🙂
On a serious note, you are so right here. Under a proper National Defense system of a free society, the damn thing should have been detected and shot down before it even reached our airspace.
This reads like a hit piece. Surely Reason can do better, at least some sort of “boaf sidez” piece?
Let's take a quick look at the people mentioned, shall we?
Gerald F. Seib: He's praised by the website Democratic Underground as "a smart commentator who does not follow the rabid way of the rest of the Journal's columnists". He sounds like a "Never Trumper", and more of a GOPe type.
Nicole Hemmer: Associate Professor of History and Director of the Carolyn T. and Robert M. Rogers Center for the Study of the Presidency, Vanderbilt University who has spoken at the Wilson Center. Not much on her other than she "studies" conservatism.
Matthew Continetti: A GOPe never Trumper at the AEI.
So basically, we have an article mostly using never Trumpers as sources.
But "the other side" has done nothing wrong - - - - - - - -
A clue:
Stephanie Slade is a senior editor at Reason, the magazine of "free minds and free markets"; a fellow in liberal studies at the Acton Institute; and a media fellow at the Institute for Human Ecology at Catholic University of America. Her writing has appeared in America, The New York Times, U.S. News and World Report, the Online Library of Liberty, and elsewhere. She covers the intersection of religion and politics.
The puzzle to me is why pick on GOP populism right now. According to Ms. Slade, this has been going on for seven years; has it accelerated recently? The only real change I can think of is McCarthy showing some spine in committee assignments and telling off reporters, but I have no reference points to know how much this differs from past political majority reversals.
I feel increasingly out of touch with Reason. I don't know where they're headed, but I'm not going with them. There's a real market opportunity for a real individualist website and reporters.
They almost exclusively do hit jobs against republicans and conservatives now. The base of most of their positions seems to be progressive and post-modernist thinking. When they do criticize based on some libertarian principles it is exclusively against the right while ignoring the even more egregious violations by the left. More recently I've been disgusted by the series of articles discussing topics years after they were initially relevant without noting that when/if they were addressed before that this magazine was outright wrong thanks to their political biases.
This site used to be more neutrally libertarian. There were writers who leaned both left and right but they generally didn't take partisan sides. At this point it seems like every writer pulls heavily for the democrat party and is culturally supportive of the left. The editorial decisions at this point show zero adherence to libertarian thinking. I don't know when KMW became the boss, but she is 100% to blame for the temperament of the hires and the editorial tone. I'd like to hear how much of this is driven by the lesser Koch's funding and relationship with Soros. Even then, KMW's own articles and statements on their podcast show that the direction is consistent with her own thinking. She needs to resign or be fired along with most of the contributors.
Like this “hit job” on Republicans from yesterday?
https://reason.com/2023/02/03/getting-trump-was-more-important-to-some-journalists-than-getting-the-story-right/
You don’t have to like it but Reason, as a libertarian publication not allied with either major party, criticizes both major parties on a regular basis.
Oh FFS Mike.
That article was an excuse-manufacturing coverup for Reason's pushing of those lies, and it attempted to pin the blame back on the victims.
You either didn't read it or are hoping nobody else did.
That article wasn’t criticizing the Democratic Party but instead an attempt for disingenuous Reason to distance itself from participating in the lies without yet having the maturity to admit to such. The commentariat in said article addresses this.
How’s the economy?
How’s the southern border?
How’s a military balloon from a hostile nation in US airspace without a kinetic response by Biden (D)?
How’s the proxy war with Ukraine going?
If one only read Reason one would think those are totes ok since the focus has been on Trump with a little DeSantis sprinkled in.
The only place “Democrat” shows up in that article is in this paragraph:
“"Americans' trust in the media remains sharply polarized along partisan lines, with 70 percent of Democrats, 14 percent of Republicans and 27 percent of independents saying they have a great deal or fair amount of confidence," according to Gallup polling in October 2022.”
You couldn’t have picked a worse article as your example.
I’m sure there are a few articles actually criticizing democrats. They post a fair amount of articles everyday so I don’t get a chance to read every one of them. The ones I do read, almost always find a way to tie in republicans when democrat malfeasance and general shittery is exposed.
What you’re seeing in the comments is people recognizing this bias and calling it out. Sorry that seems to hurt your feelings, champ.
I’m his defense he is a moron.
The comments section drives all the traffic.
But is makes ENB sad.
A lot gets sandwiched into these here comments.
Don't prostitute yourself.
Perhaps she should enter a pie baking contest to work out her frustrations.
Or let her pie and pie hole get stuffed.
🙂
Thus, I suspect, the pleading email from david nott, playing up reasonmag's heroic role w/ the 'facebook files -they're bleeding readers and revenue. The left views libertarians as conservative or conservative-adjacent, thus white supremacist ist/phobes. The right views libertarians as soft in the head deviants and the like. Reasonmag editors, being mostly left-leaning, represent neither the LP nor the small 'l' conglomeration of folks into individual liberties. They do however, have the ability to dishonestly frame issues, and it generally casts conservative viewpoints in a negative light.
I think most of us commenters feel like you, increasingly out of touch with Reason-supplied content. Maybe this is the time and place to try to figure out why. The more cynical seem to impute some pecuniary interest the Kochs have, but if so I can’t figure it out, there not seeming to be any squeeze in most of it.
Years ago when outlets like Cato bent over backwards to distance themselves from the “right”, I took that, correctly I still think, as product differentiation. That’s what I thought was going on even as late as 2015 at Reason when I saw signs of this then, but now it can no longer be explained that way.
So WTF?
I tend to automatically disregard anyone who still blames things on “the Kochs”, plural, considering only one of the politically-active duo known as “the Koch brothers” is still alive. How up-to-date and well-vetted can someone’s conspiracy theory be if they haven’t picked up on the fact that half of the alleged conspirators died three years ago.
Pedantic regarding the plurality, especially given Roberta provided a timeline that precedes the death by several years; it is ignorant to dismiss the owner(s) having a say in the editorial direction.
It’s not economic, it’s ideological. Reason is run and staffed by cosmo totalitarian globalists whose goal is to gaslight libertarians into supporting, or at least accepting, progressive domination.
I think this is mostly it. A libertarian can be, culturally, pretty much anything. A white evangelical Christian farmer who’s into hunting, prayer meetings and rodeos is no more or less libertarian than a trans, vegan, atheist black lesbian who advocates for sex work and smokes a dozen joints a day, as long as both make individual liberty the centerpiece of their political philosophy. But, both are likely to have their blind spots. The farmer is more likely to have blind spots favoring conservatives and the lesbian is more likely to have blind spots favoring progressives.
The problem with Reason is that it’s been captured completely by urban, cosmopolitan progressive-leaners. And their blind spots approximate a black hole. To the extent that, at this point, it’s not clear that they support individual liberty over urban cosmopolitanism.
Urban cosmopolitanism isn't the opposite of individual liberty. Legislated morality is.
Perhaps not in essence. But go talk to some urban cosmopolitan types and I think their politics will be heavily tilted in one direction.
So forcing us to pay for and provide anything and everything anyone could possibly ever need or want isn't legislating on moral grounds?
No, it isn't. And it isn't directly legislating morality like abortion bans, gay marriage bans, or any one of the dozens of issues that cultural conservatives think they deserve to shove their unwanted morality into.
If it isn't hurting anyone else, keep your outdated moral code away from everyone else. Your morality isn't relevant to anyone but you.
Gerald Seib: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016189937
Nicole Hemmer: https://as.vanderbilt.edu/history/bio/nicole-hemmer/
Matthew Continetti: https://www.aei.org/profile/matthew-continetti/
That’s all they know here so they went with what they know.
The torches, Stephanie, don't forget the torches.
Or are you worried about global climate warming change?
"As time went on, they coalesced into what became known in the '70s as the New Right: those who opposed lax divorce and abortion laws"
The reader will note that Ms. Slade herself claims to be a Catholic pro-lifer.
So what does a Catholic pro-lifer on Charles Koch's payroll do when the party that supports elective abortion at 8 months 29 days is also the party that supports Mr. Koch's #CheapLaborAboveAll immigration agenda?
Click here to find out!
#Priorities
Maybe she voted for that famous fellow Catholic Joe Biden. Maybe not. Magic 8-ball says .... signs are unclear.
Of course, voting for the democrats is actually supporting AOC - - - - - - - -
If you can't differentiate between the beliefs of Joe Biden and AOC, you aren't a serious person.
They are both detailed here:
https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/
Do you really not understand that political parties aren't comprised of interchangeable, carbon copy members? That there is a wide variety of issues and opinions within partues? That, for example, MTG is different than Susan Collins?
If you believe that every party member agrees with every element of the party platform, you are an idiot.
On Charles Koch's payroll. The same Charles Koch who has partnerships with (drum roll, please) George Soros and goes to the WEF.
https://reason.com/2019/07/01/charles-koch-george-soros-help-fund-think-tank-opposed-to-endless-war/
Now this is indeed interesting (from 2020).
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525878-charles-koch-regrets-his-partisanship-boy-did-we-screw-up/
GOP mega-donor Charles Koch said he regrets his decades of partisanship and now wants to focus on bridging the political divide, The Wall Street Journal reported Friday.
Might explain a bit with where Reason seems to be going.
Ever since his brother died Charles has rapidly moved towards establishment political ideas and away from libertarianism.
I think his brother was the one who was actually libertarian.
Convenient, but not quite, since David died only in 2019 and this turn seemed to have occurred a few years earlier.
No. Not really.
David was sick and out of the game for over two years before he died. He was forced to step down from Koch Industries in 2018, and the Charles/Soros arrangement happened while he was incapacitated in hospital a month before he died in 2019.
And by bridging the divide does he mean getting invited to the inner circle of WEF global "leaders"?
He gets to go on the ark with all the other Important People when the climate apocalypse or next pandemic occurs.
The interstellar Ark was my favorite part of Don't Look Up.
She has backed away from the pro-life positions she expressed even 5 years ago and consistently makes arguments against Catholic doctrine. I used to have some respect for her since she vaguely held some right-leaning ideas contrary to her colleagues. She has since turned into an absolute hack.
They sound like morons. Many of them have never voted at all because they never like the presidential candidates. Even though there are lots of other federal races, plus all the state and local races. I already thought they were idiots and nothing I read in that article disabused of that notion.
"Eat the rich"
"No border. No wall. No USA at all"
"Stronger together"
"Racial/housing/sexual/climate justice"
"Vote blue no matter who"
"#Resistance"
"In this house, we believe..."
"Slava Ukraini"
"Citizen of the world"
"Follow the Science"
“Get vaccinated”
“Wear your mask”
“Just two weeks”
“
Question Authority”“Facts Change”
If you dont follow government guidance blindly you believe in vaccine microchips. - sarc.
Resistance is futile. Also icky.
#Resistance on the other hands…
There shouldn’t be a left. It’s time for them to go. Forever.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1621782553563734016?t=O8ecgIKo7zAChBtDmxMG_Q&s=19
A doctor riding his bike in Orange County, CA was run over & stabbed to death allegedly by Vanroy E Smith. A witness said the suspect shouted racial slurs against white victim & ranted about white privilege during the killing. Smith had posted about white privilege before on FB.
[Link]
Looks like a distinct hate crime. Will it be prosecuted as it should be? Of course not, who the fuck are we kidding?
Hate crimes are bullshit and even if it fits the definition I would rather see all hate crime legislation removed from the books than to see this murderer charged with them. Charge the asshole for being a murderer. The nature of the attack is already enough to remove him from society for the rest of his (hopefully short) life.
You'll settle for seeing hate crimes arbitrarily applied to whites who commit crimes regardless of motive, and not applied to blacks who explicitly say their motive was to kill white people for being white (like here, Waukesha, etc)
No. I want hate crimes to be eliminated as the 1st amendment violations that they are. If they stay on the books then of course they need to be applied equally, but I don't want to see them used in the first place
You seem to be misunderstanding the point.
You seem to be perpetually misunderstood.
I think Nardz is saying they WILL be used, so they should be be used equally.
"I want hate crimes to be eliminated as the 1st amendment violations that they are."
I agree completely.
Was there a rougue red SUV? Case dismissed!
It was a white Lexus, making it a white on white crime.
Can’t it be a white Prius? Then we’re back to a hate crime—white supremacy—only on Narrative
Priuses (Is that the plural? Or Prii? Priae? Prium?) are a hate crime against lovers of the Internal Combustion Engine, regardless of color.
This man was murdered just as much by the democrat party and their race hustling as they were this thug. They deserve to share his fate.
Uh huh. And that dude who got murdered by black cops was a victim of white supremacy.
https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1621791398981779456?t=z030FikQRx4Qk3fSnNgReg&s=19
The Left were obsessed with counting every case, hospitalization, and death, affiliated with SARS-CoV-2.
They made Covid their entire identity. It consumed every aspect of their lives.
Now the evidence indicates it was man-made, yet the Left aren’t interested in who made it…
Followed a rabbit hole on the Twitter link.
https://catholicstand.com/eugenics-in-america/
Then he revealed that, for a time, his father, William H. Gates, Sr. was the head of Planned Parenthood.
This is how it is when one is a fundamentalist zealot.
Of course the left was obsessed with COVID. The left embodies fear of risk, the urge to nanny, the equal urge to scold, and the compulsion to reform people, all smothered in compassionate caring. At the risk of offending all the gender warriors, the left is female.
It all went downhill after the 19th amendment.
It wasn’t just his rejection of economic liberalism and embrace of big government that shocked people.
His spending under covid was bad. But he also pushed for large reductions in spending. He ordered every agency to reduce employees by 10%. Just one example. He sought to pull the US out of costly wars. As another.
But you’d have to get past the narratives to understand that. Now we have a president many at reason reluctantly supported who is growing every agency in number and salary, getting into more wars, costly inflation, etc.
So congrats?
getting into more wars
We're in one less war, dipshit.
Or have you already forgotten Sleepy Joe's SLOPPY PULLOUT! ?
Lol. Ukraine dumbass. Tanks and now talking planes. Training of their soldiers. Provoking Russia more and more.
Afghanistan was negotiated down under trump. I know you defend biden at all costs, but what the fuck?
Now China sending spy balloons over the US. Iran shipping more and more arms to other countries.
You really are ignorant shrike.
By your logic we are also in wars in Saudi Arabia and Israel because we supply them advanced weaponry.
We're probably in 40 wars by your definition.
Are either of those countries in an active war?
Yes.
Saudi with Yemen and Israel with Palestine.
Are those countries threatening the US for escalation like Russia is? Let’s walk through this.
Has the US called them the biggest threat to democracy and stated they overturned and hacked our elections?
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
"Saudi with Yemen"
I'll give you that.
"Israel with Palestine."
Lol, fuck off.
Palestine was never a country. It was a chunk of Northern Egypt and a chunk of Western Jordan taken when those countries attacked in 1967. And Jordan and the current incarnation of Egypt were created and assigned territory by the British from the remains of the Ottoman Empire in 1922 and given independence in 1946.
Israel's in a war with a country that doesn't exist?
You mean Eastasia? Damn, talk about a forever war!
Ok, so Trump continued Obama’s and Biden’s war in Yemen.
Oh, and expanding in syria again! Obama and Hillary favorite war!
After taking office in January, the Biden administration began a review of American policy in Syria and the ongoing civil war there. This review sought to turn the page on Trump administration policies, which shifted U.S. priorities in Syria from the narrow goal of fighting the Islamic State to expanding the mission to counter Iran and to safeguard Syrian oil from Bashar al-Assad.
https://www.fpri.org/article/2021/06/assessing-the-biden-administrations-interim-syria-strategy/
"safeguard Syrian oil from Bashar al-Assad."
...
Increasing military involvement in Somalia.
https://www.leftvoice.org/biden-is-expanding-u-s-military-intervention-in-somalia/
If the left wing source wasn't enough, here is another.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/16/politics/somalia-troop-redeployment/index.html
Biden promises more US troops in foreign nations.
https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-reviews-military-posture-as-calls-to-close-bases-grow-2021-3
Biden has directly said he won’t quit until there is regime change in Russia you goddamn pedophile.
He pushed that infrastructure plan. That was bad. Spending went up under him before covid. He is partially to blame, but congressional Republicans shoulder most of the blame for crafting the budget bills. I pin almost all of the covid spending on Democrats. Trump pushed back against it, but governors and the media forced him into going along with plans to do something after they absolutely destroyed society.
Trump threatened multiple vetos of the budget, all passed with veto proof majorities.
At some point people have to recognize where spending originates.
From the NYT.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/upshot/trump-effect-government-agencies.html
The Government Agencies That Became Smaller, and Unhappier, Under Trump
Reduced IRS powers.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/trump-budget-continues-multi-year-assault-on-irs-funding-despite-mnuchins
https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2020/11/trump-has-slashed-jobs-nearly-every-federal-agency-biden-promises-reversal/170203/
President Trump came into office with a promise to slash the size of the federal workforce. As his presidency comes to a close, he has succeeded in that mission in all but three cabinet-level departments.
Reminder. Trump was kneecaps by passed budgets and the Impoundment Act, so he had to force cuts with the few powers he had, often under lawsuits from government agencies to stop it.
That sounds an awful lot like making excuses for Trump.
A great man once said: ““Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.”
^ This is like blaming the pilots on 9/11 for where the planes ended up slamming into.
That sounds an awful lot like making excuses for Biden.
That only makes sense if you think (or want) the President to be the Leader.
Great apply that view to Obama and Biden.
"reluctantly" campaigned for
A fun Saturday morning conspiracy of why the uniparty is so invested in Ukraine, especially the democrats. And as we all know, every modern conspiracy has a great chance of being correct. Much of the information in this thread has been commented on here prior.
https://mobile.twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1619886316371726341
Clandestine
@WarClandestine
1) Now that I have everyone’s attention, allow me to address why US establishment politicians are sending tanks, jets, weapons, equipment, and $100+ billion to Ukraine.
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It has nothing to do with Ukrainian citizens, and everything to do with Deep State assets/secrets in Ukraine
"And as we all know, every modern conspiracy has a great chance of being correct."
Laughable. If you just tighten the straps on your tinfoil hat and believe so hard, you can make anything correct.
Russian hoax, covid lockdowns, masking, vaccines stopping infection, almost every major trump story, crt not taught in schools, vaccines 100% safe (myocarditis, women’s periods), no shadow banning, government not working with social media, hunters laptop as Russian misinformation, Hamilton 68 Russian bots …
Go back further... MK ultra, CHAOS, COINTELPRO...
Government isn't benevolent like you believe.
Try again shrike.
So it didn't turn out that Covid didn't come from a wet market? It didn't turn out that the "vaccines" don't prevent infection or transmission? It didn't turn out that a Pfizer executive admitted that the "vaccines" are affecting menstrual cycles and fertility? So it didn't turn out that risk of heart damage from "vaccines" is many times worse than the disease for healthy people? Who's wearing the tinfoil here?
Got here late. I see Jesse pretty much covered everything.
The police and prosecution reform of the left everybody.
Amy Mek
@AmyMek
Ilhan Omar's Minnesota
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Muslim Mohamed Bakari Shei, (20) will only serve 180 days in jail for Raping two girls, ages 4 and 9
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A survivor broke down in tears as she said - "there is no moving on or getting over it. I've tried"
.
Mohamed does NOT have to register as a Sex Offender
Muslims will kill people for burning their sky daddy instruction manual but child rape is a minor offense.
He was just kidding .
Ethnic folk-rape.
Celebrate cultural diversity.
Reparations.
Rapearations
That very well sums up "justice" under Islamic Sha'ria law.
With all the Islamic enclaves popping up in the U.S., the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution side-by-side with The Bill of Rights and The Reconstruction Amendments need to lay some serious smack-down in the law and get special emphasis in U.S. Citizenship tests.
This is the party that believes and supports women in action.
Here's a link.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1729586/Minnesota-Mohamed-Bakari-Shei-rape-underage-girls-sex-offenders-registry-dxus
It would be a shame if these girls have some uncles and brothers and cousins that bumped into this POS on a street corner. Accidents can happen.
It wasn’t just his rejection of economic liberalism and embrace of big government that shocked people.
Okay, enough about Trump.
The GOP has won back the House and for the next two years will be laser-focused on:
CRT Abortion/contraception regulations Tranny dancing HUNTER BIDENS PENIS
Good times!
Defend dems at all costs. Soros inspired messaging.
You figure out yet why you have those urges?
Why do you think Fatass Donnie lost the Senate, House and Presidency in two short years?
Seriously. You're moving up in the Trump Cult. Show some backbone.
Regular people despise Fatass. I know he will always have his cult.
Republicans need a new standard bearer. Which brings us to Stephanie.
Fuck the NatCons and SoCons. They have ruined the GOP.
They went from Huckabee to Fatass and lost.
Why stick with a loser?
I never voted for Trump and don’t see him getting the GOP nomination for 2024.
Your fixation on him is almost as bad as your fixation on minors. Why do you think you have your urges?
Because this is a libertarian board and it has been infested with Trump Cultists.
I have been here since the Bush years and I won't give in to Big Gov Republicans just because they moved into the neighborhood.
You blame your minor urges on Trump? That’s some serious deflection.
Lol. You’ve been on team D since Obama. Why do you gaslight?
I love how you call people calling out leftist media corruption as trump cultists. How dare they not blindly follow false narratives in support of dems like you do.
Look how enraged you get when someone here attacks the biggest donor of leftist causes. Yet you claim others are the cultists.
I supported Obama's deficit reduction. He cut the Bushpigs deficit in half.
I also supported Tom Coburn (R) because he was on board with Obama's deficit reduction.
I supported Obama pulling out of the Iraq disaster.
Those are the most libertarian actions by any POTUS this century.
Obama didn't reduce the deficit. You've been corrected on this fact dozens of times at this point. Each if his budgets asked for 1T more than was passed by the gop congress and tea party. You openly attacked the tea party. You attacked Paul Ryan for his deficit reduction plan during shit downs.
The deficit reduction was driven primarily a few things. Paybacks on TARP which was budget neutral. You compare the payout years to the paying years and declare reduction. Aca being design to explode in costs in 2016. CBO stated this. And it happened. A GOP congress. Energy growth to drive revenue growth. This occurred on state and private lands as Obama reduced energy exploration on federal lands.
Everything you attribute to the deficit reduction was done in spite of Obama, not due to him.
You deny this because you're a blind and ignorant leftist.
wrong.
https://amarkfoundation.org/us-federal-deficits/
You also don't know the difference between a "budget" and actual spending/deficit. Many items were not in the budget during the Bushpig years. For example - the Iraq War was never in the budget. Funding for the Iraq War was deemed "supplemental" spending.
The Senate is considering a $108 billion supplemental spending bill that includes record amounts for fighting the war in Iraq. Some lawmakers are insisting that, as long as the money is going to be spent, the least they can do is debate the wisdom of the war
https://www.npr.org/2006/05/03/5378505/iraq-spending-sparks-calls-for-debate
You're out of your league, pal. I used to work for Hyperion - the leader in software for large organization budgeting.
I literally just posted the causes of the reduction and you reply by correlating it to the president.
How dumb are you? This has been explained to you over and over. How do you still not understand how budgets are created?
Jesse, he’s the dumbest motherfucker to post here. No matter how many times his nose is rubbed in his bullshit, he never learns.
Shrike, you’re an unrepentant pedophile. You will be caught. And if it’s by someone who isn’t law enforcement you may end up being tortured to death for raping children. Which is what you deserve.
But you can save yourself from that cruel (but fair) fate. Just take your own life.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS=addled shit-pile, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
No, you just suck the dick of every Big Government Democrat who’s ever run for office.
And nobody here is a Trump cultist just because they disagree with you and your fellow Democrats.
Even for many people who didn’t despise Trump, they found Trump to be exhausting. During his Presidency one woke up every morning wondering what shit he would be up to that day. He often set the national conversation each morning by saying some random shit on social media.
Did that frighten you?
MEAN TWEETS!
He often set the national conversation each morning…..
It was for you to read with coffee.
Dee drinks cawffee
And when he didnt the media made up storiesike Russian bounties that you pushed.
Oh fuck off. Even for people like you, who despises Trump, you were scratching and banging on the door to get into Truth Social. I can imagine the sealioning you do there.
I know right? Why couldn’t he just not tweet and then quietly work at starting WWIII and subverting the 1st amendment.
I found it very easy to ignore all of that. It was a stupid game. And Trump's opponents fell for it every time. Everyone knew who Trump was and how he operates. Yet pretended to be surprised every time.
Totally not a demfag.
He is NOT a demfag.
He is a demcunt.
https://twitter.com/spikedonline/status/1621825900458156034?t=lPl2HHoCNT-klK8PNh09pw&s=19
It is impossible for a man to become a woman. No matter how many hormones a bloke takes or how much surgery he undergoes, he’ll always be male. Dylan Mulvaney and other men who ridiculously call themselves “girls” need to grow up, says Brendan O’Neill
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Ohio education officials investigating pro-Nazi homeschooling network
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The couple reportedly created the network because they were “having a rough time finding Nazi-approved school material” for their children, Katja Lawrence told the neo-Nazi podcast “Achtung Amerikaner” in a November 2021 episode.
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“We are so deeply invested into making sure that that child becomes a wonderful Nazi,” Lawrence added on the podcast.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3842937-ohio-education-officials-investigating-pro-nazi-homeschooling-network/
Home schooling. What could go wrong?
Less wrong than modern public schools. You support CRT training on hate based on race. Maybe you only like it in one direction?
And no I don’t support nazi education. But I also don’t believe the report based on the consistent attack from teachers unions on homeschooling.
But public schools are teaching terrible shit. And parental choice is preferred to state choice.
CRT = postmodern nazism
Agreed.
Or Race Marxism. I am almost done with Lindsay's book. Highly recommended.
His podcast is great too.
Nazism is race marxism
I don't support CRT, you liar.
I also don't support affirmative action. I despise Islam. I hate PC and Wokism.
My progressive acquaintances believe I am a Republican. For real.
But they think all libertarians are Republicans. They're really stupid.
I told them recently that Ayn Rand was a pro-choice feminist liberal (true) and they said she was a conservative.
Progs really are that stupid.
Not surprised your nambla acquaintances are progressives.
You are literally attacking concern over CRT in your prior post you retarded fuck. Soros also funds a lot of it. Which you blindly support.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/us/politics/george-soros-racial-justice-organizations.html
From his own OSF which you are a proud member of.
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/newsroom/racial-justice-in-the-united-states
So stop denying it or call out the organization you promote often.
Pluggo is a narcissist wanting a reaction; he’s not here to “win a debate.”
I just want to continue to see shrike twist in the wind with his lies. Get the bonus of sarc now defending him, so it is a 2 for 1.
Because CRT is bullshit.
It's part of history but not worth a stand alone discussion.
"Slavery had negative repercussions later"
There! That's my CRT lesson. Real and short.
Call out OSF which you constantly claim is pro freedom and classical liberalism. Say soros and OSF promote cultural marxism.
Nope. I support Open Society, democracy, drug freedom, and checks on police brutality.
Open Society is perfectly consistent with libertarianism.
I literally just linked them funding 200 million to cultural marxism and then promoting it on their own website.
What you've done is lie to yourself to support cultural marxism.
This is Marxism?
1994: George Soros launched Open Society’s work in the United States with efforts to reform U.S. drug policies that unfairly targeted Black people. These efforts soon expanded to the need for broad reform of a discriminatory criminal justice system, including the elimination of the death penalty.
1998: The Foundations launched the Open Society Institute–Baltimore—an innovative effort to address three intertwined problems affecting the city’s Black population: drug policy, high incarceration rates, and obstacles that impede Black youth in succeeding both in and outside of the classroom. To date, Open Society has invested over $113 million in Baltimore.
2003: Open Society created the Racial Justice Initiative in the United States, a new grantmaking effort to address systemic racial inequality experienced by historically marginalized communities of color. The program addressed such issues as voting rights, public policy reform, civil rights litigation, housing segregation, and community organizing.
2007: The Foundations launched the Campaign for Black Male Achievement, investing nearly $20 million over several years. The initiative connected local leaders and over 2700 organizations to share knowledge and resources aimed at improving life outcomes for Black men and boys.
2011: Open Society helped develop Communities United for Police Reform, a New York City-based campaign to challenge—and substantially reduce—the police department’s racially discriminatory stop and frisk practices.
2014: The Open Society Foundations gave a grant of $50 million to the ACLU to advance its
You're crazy.
Blacks have been victims or targets of abusive government for many years post Voting Rights and Civil Rights.
To participate in Open Society a person needs the right to vote and be free of targeted police action.
This is a private initiative - not a federal government program.
Yeah, I support OSF.
Thats not what the groups he funds advise do you fucking gaslighting fuck.
They advertise white privilege, call for reparations, ask for segregated spaces, want subjective marxist ideologies.
This is literally on each groups website.
OSF is funding those things.
You think you can hide actions behind bland words and people won’t be able to see.
It works on fucking idiots like yourself who have blind loyalty and nothing more. Literally go watch any of the marches Soros and OSF fund. It is littered with Marxism you ignorant fuck.
I followed YOUR link, dipshit.
Yes. Showing he funds and advocates for those movements. The next step for you is to see the results put to actions.
Again you “hide behind bland words to ignore the actions.”
Dictators like Hugo Chavez also hide behind bland words of equality. See mao.
Yes those are Marxist.
We cannot in perpetuity assume racism is everywhere. It cheapens and weakens it's supposed victims, because they never have to achieve anything, they can just cry until they get what they want.
The best part is classical liberals like Maher actually understand this.
Maher stated, “Yesterday, I asked ChatGPT, are there any similarities between today’s woke revolution and Chairman Mao’s Cultural Revolution of the 1960s? And it wrote back, how long do you have? Because, again, in China, we saw how a revolutionary thought he could do a page-one rewrite of humans. Mao ordered his citizens to throw off the four olds: old thinking, old culture, old customs, and old habits. So, your whole life went in the garbage overnight, no biggie. And those who resisted were attacked by an army of purifiers called the Red Guard, who went around the country putting dunce caps on people…who didn’t take to being a new kind of mortal being. A lot of pointing and shaming went on — oh, and about a million dead — and the only way to survive was to plead insanity for the crime of being insufficiently radical, then apologize and thank the state for the chance to see what a piece of shit you are, and of course, submit to re-education, or as we call it here in
Culture is the main factor in racial inequity. Change your culture..don't lower the bar or give rewards based on tribe. You get unqualified people and destroy virtue and trust in society. Soros has "old world grudges."...think about it..he projects his experience in Hungary to the US (Jews = Blacks) and then seeks to marginalize European American Christians since he views them as the Christian peasants that supported pogroms against Jews in the old country. This is a driving force behind the push by many Jewish Liberals in the media, govt, academia and business to force CRT and DIE on America. It is unfortunate as the analogy is wrong. Completely wrong.
Oh, bullshit, Turd. We’ve shown you the highly authoritarian sides of the OSF, and yet you still lie, twist, and deny. You can’t be that fucking retarded. Are you on Soros’s payroll?
People think he "is a republican" as he rages at any attacks on the biggest funder of the left.
It is hilarious.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
As a homeschooling parent I can confirm there is a dearth of Nazi-positive curricula and enrichment programs out there.
Hence the homeschooling effort to get kids out of the national and international socialist government public schools.
You could always have your buddy ButtPlug school your kids.
Cite?
You seem to be part of everything immediately relevant
Here's your sewing circle.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11658079/Gay-Atlanta-couple-charged-raping-adopted-sons-pimped-local-pedophiles.html
They're from DogDick Ga too.
https://twitter.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1621612989739683841?t=1OVo2dAsJ2jF4oLayKKwDw&s=19
Watch: Female swimmer says Ivy League, NCAA told women to get counseling if they were uncomfortable seeing male genitalia in their locker rooms
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Along the way, the peculiarly angry Buchanan picked up the moniker "Pitchfork Pat"—an implicit callback, Hemmer notes, to "Pitchfork Ben" Tillman, who had "led the Red Shirts, a white-supremacist paramilitary group
Angry? Not the person Buchanan. I met and talked with Buchanan and he was always available to the media. He was as cheery and pleasant as a politician could be although I hated his NatCon politics.
You also hate police departments that investigate online child predators.
It was his crude insults, his attacks on fellow Republicans, his willingness to transgress norms and to encourage an ugly us-vs.-them mentality among his supporters.
The Dotard chased Jeff Flake and Bob Corker off for not kissing his ring. He always place loyalty over small government ideology.
You place your urges above all else…except maybe Soros. Maybe.
Why do you think Fatass Donnie lost the Senate, House and Presidency in two short years?
Why do you think you have your urges?
Did I mention that turd lies? It’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You hated Flake.
No one is "loyal to Trump".
Reason's own articles show that more people choose independent when registering to vote than either party.
In the USA today you are loyal to the Declaration of Independence and the Republic or you are not. Neither political party and no government agency currently is.
Anyone loyal to the republic understands that the monster in DC is not a legitimate government nor has it been for 100+ years.
We sent Trump to DC as a bomb to blow DC to "Hell and gone.". We didn't expect him to survive and I doubt anyone cares if he does.
I sure don't. But I also hope I get a chance to send him to DC again, this time with a MUCH shorter fuse.
No one is “loyal to Trump”
Bizarre claim. His cult is numerous.
OMG I actually have to agree with a Buttplug comment.
Obviously there are people loyal to Trump. In fact this comment section contains people who diagnose me with "TDS" (despite the years I spent mocking Hillary's excuses, #RussiaGate, and Mueller / Avenatti worship) because I had the nerve to suggest Trump would be a severe underdog in a rematch with Biden. Given that he couldn't even beat Biden when he had incumbent advantage.
Did you just say Trump lost the election? That’s heresy. He won the election fair and square. But it was stolen because of widespread and systematic fraud. By accepting the outcome as legitimate you outed yourself as a leftist. True conservatives reject the democratic process as being broken and believe that it is all rigged. I bet you voted for Biden. It’s the only explanation for your acceptance of the biggest election fraud in the history of the world.
Sandra has not admitted to the illegal election changes many courts have ruled on nor the fuckery. It is where some of us disagree with her. We point to 2022 as an example. States that used the same system as 2020 are the states dems continued to win to stop a wave. The metrics from polling to results are completely out of whack.
It is fine if she disagrees with that.
I dont agree and have plenty of evidence against it. That's why many if us point to the open fortified elections democrats advertised.
You have refused to acknowledge any of the actual facts in your blind loyalty to dems you've adopted since 2016. Find one post of you attacking the left that wasn't couched in a both sides. Sandra still attacks the left for what they are. You do not. You are a party loyalist.
Sandra has not admitted to the illegal election
Sandra knows but just won't admit it?
You're a dishonest word weasel.
Notice the right has adopted the dishonest language of the left? Loaded questions. Using words like “admit” and “deny.” Not a shred of integrity or honesty, and no sense of shame.
She has not. Ask her yourself. She has never posted a comment in reference to those court cases.
Sorry you and shrike don't understand basic English.
She has never mentioned any of the court cases in her analysis. So by definition she has not. How does English work?
Zzzzz
Just a rehash of what’s been spouted at me.
Want your posts? I have a lot bookmarked since you lie so readily.
"...Obviously there are people loyal to Trump..."
Those of us who recognize that Trump was the best POTUS we had in the last century, regardless of his personality are claimed to be "loyal" by TDS-addled piles of shit.
"...In fact this comment section contains people who diagnose me with “TDS” (despite the years I spent mocking Hillary’s excuses, #RussiaGate, and Mueller / Avenatti worship) because I had the nerve to suggest Trump would be a severe underdog in a rematch with Biden..."
TDS-addled piles of shit are nothing if not dishonest in their attempts to justify their derangement.
Yup. There it is again. No attempt to build a logical argument that a Trump / Biden rematch would go differently. Just spamming TDS at anyone who realizes incumbent advantage is a very real phenomenon in American politics, and Trump still lost to a dementia patient when he had it.
Congrats on not embarrassing yourself with the "Trump is super popular because the year he lost to a dementia patient he actually got more total votes than 4 years earlier when he beat the weakest Democrat in decades" talking point, I guess.
There it is again. No admission of raging TDS, just assuming we'll ignore the misdirection.
Well, somebody here has certainly demonstrated an inability to converse like a rational adult when the topic is Donald Trump.
I'll agree that there are trump loyalists, but they don't hold a candle to the depth of immaturity, and breadth of culture of denial like the DNC and progressive leader-worship. 'TDS' is a rebranding of the left's lame insistence that any criticism of the most transparent, scandal-free president in history was due to his race, and further because the criticizing person was crazy. That aside, the industry of comic books, action figures, plush toys, throw pillows etc w/ the left's religious icons is quite large. Much larger than for the right, or trump.
The DNC needs to pull their head out of their collective asses and stop predicting that each new Republican will end the universe as we know it.
Remember when the DNC said that Mitt Romney was a Nazi? Remember when they said Mitt Romney was a joke because he said Russia was still a major geopolitical foe?
Yeah, that aged real well. Fortunately people have short memories and give no shits about anything anymore. Hooray full-bore nihilism.
"Well, somebody here has certainly demonstrated an inability to converse like a rational adult when the topic is Donald Trump."
Step away from the mirror, take a deep breath and consider your derangement.
The argument many of us make here is that it doesn't matter who the D or R is. Supplanting that argument to only Biden vs Trump is a bit disingenuous. We show this with 2022 and the areas that held onto changes made in 2020 representing the same outcomes, even in the face of such negativity against Biden.
Do you consider this a concern or not?
The reason it'd go differently is that now that people have seen what they get from a president Biden , they regret voting for him. The time course at https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html says it all. But he's not running again.
Don't worry, there are still at least a few people around here that don't reflexively side with either major party.
Frankly I agree with you. Trump won because the Republican primary was fractured into a thousand pieces and the Democrats picked a candidate that even plenty of hardcore Democrats couldn't respect.
I still remember Trump attacking Ted Cruz's father as some kind of Russian agent that helped kill JFK. I mean, the guy was clearly unhinged way before even day one of his administration. I even said at the time that the best we could probably expect from Trump would be his SC picks which, while they're kind of a mixed bag, they are almost certainly better than what the alternative would have been.
"this comment section contains people who diagnose me with “TDS”"
Mostly because of your bitter, AWFL obsession with Trump and mid-to-dim witted analysis.
OK genius. Explain the flaws in my reasoning.
A. The 2020 election was Trump vs. Biden. Trump lost.
B. Trump had incumbent advantage in 2020.
C. Biden would have incumbent advantage in 2024.
D. One of Biden's most obvious weaknesses is his age, and with Trump being just a few years younger (and overweight) Republicans would be unable to make that an issue.
E. Trump totally failed to deliver on his two biggest slogans (build the wall, drain the swamp) so anything he campaigns on in 2024 won't look credible.
F. Trump's sore loser behavior since losing to the dementia patient has likely weakened his standing with Independent swing voters.
G. Even Stacey Abrams, a Democrat with the media on her side, could not turn "The previous election was stolen from me but I'll give you the opportunity to vote for me again" into a winning message. (She lost by a wider margin the second time.)
Go for it! Explain why Trump 2024 is a smart strategy despite all this.
If you voted for Trump then you’d admit the election was stolen. The fact that you deny The Steal means you’re a leftist Why do you deny being a leftist? Do you still have Biden Harris stickers on your car?
I think I did that right. Used “admit” and “deny” along with some loaded questions. That’s what passes for honest discourse in these comments.
Wanna know the saddest part? I've actually seen a case for Trump 2024 that isn't completely stupid. On Twitter of all places! Nobody around here bothers to make it though.
It goes like this: "Democrats' advantages in Presidential elections have grown so enormous, that combined with incumbent advantage, it would be virtually impossible for any Republican to beat Biden in 2024 (absent complete economic disaster). So, since 2024 is a lost cause anyway, the GOP might as well run Trump again. Hopefully Trump quits politics after losing a second time. And then a decent candidate can run against Kamala Harris in 2028."
Not saying I agree with it. But it at least isn't based on delusional nonsense like Let's give Trump another chance because now he's more popular than ever!
Sandra, no offense but this argument is the one most of us have actually already made. That the players don't matter due to the election issues of the last 2 cycles. Not sure why you think this argument has not been made. There are virtually no actual people here propping up trump. They are highlighting the issues you just brought up.
"Nobody around here bothers to make it though."
That's because they are too busy whining about Reason, pedos and TDS.
Just you for posting child porn shrike. Maybe jeff for advocating for sexualizing children.
I don't think the incumbent advantage is going to serve Biden any more than it served Trump the time before.
Inflation will almost certainly 'solve' that for us, and depending how far the supreme courts head is up it's own ass we'll see if the student loan forgiveness promises will buy up some of that youth vote that helped him out before.
It would be retarded for the RNC to back Trump for a second term, but I don't put it past them. I'd much rather have someone like Rand Paul but the odd's of him winning the Presidency, let alone win the primaries, are somewhere between slim and none.
No, you did it ignorantly yet again. It helps to read the entire comment you are trying to reference instead of 2 small snips from the comment. This is why you look like an idiot.
You know it’s not just trump voters who think there major problems in the election. But god forbid you admit it’s not just those you hate who disagree with you.
What did Trump get wrong on the economy, national security,European military spending, crime, immigration, energy independence and trade with free market economy partners, what did he get wrong on China? I’m having a hard time coming up with anything he got wrong. I’m also having a hard time coming up with anything Antifa Shining Path Maoists or “the Biden administration” got right.
The black plague of death called Covid and the twitter files prove that the security state used our tax dollars to interfere in an election through censorship and Covid hoax.
TRUMP 2024
"Go for it! Explain why Trump 2024 is a smart strategy despite all this."
Typical AWFL, can't see anything beyond Trump.
A. Your faith in, and endorsement of, the honesty and integrity of the powers that be is nothing if not steadfast.
B. As the incumbent, Trump improved his total performance by at least 15-20% over his first run, and gained support in all demographics except white males...
C. Here Sandra professes belief that "incumbent advantage" is a factor completely independent of anything else, such as job performance and people's quality of life.
D. Are you proposing that there is no difference between Trump's and Biden's conditions because they're similar age?
E. He built some of the wall and did reduce regulations. But no, he did not defeat the entirety of the federal government and Corporate America working against him, often illegally. But you got the result you wanted, so no biggie...
F. It's telling that his "sore loser" behavior, rather than shit endorsements or abandoning the J6 political prisoners is what you focus on here.
G. There's that dimwitted analysis!
I bet you're a big Jesse Singal fan.
Biden destroyed the armed forces, the economy, the US dollar, energy, and divided the country, Biden corrupted the FBI and DOJ. Biden colluded with business, especially big tech to censor people. Biden called anyone that disagrees with his policies fascist, while he participates in Fascism himself. controlling business, being authoritarian and promoting racial hatred against whites). Biden has gotten us involve in another foreign war after embarrassing our Armed Forces in Afghanistan. Biden is a hypocrite calling himself a Catholic while supporting partial birth abortion. Biden refuses to enforce the laws of the US on the border, which he took an oath to uphold. The national debt has grown to 30 trillion dollars and he continues to print money and spend. We are also now learning about his corruption from Hunters laptop and his stolen classified documents. Workers have refused to return to work under Biden, especially middle aged men. Not one thing has gotten better under Biden. Yet you celebrate the idiot. All I can say is you are even stupider than cognitively impaired Joe Biden.
To be fair, her disagreements on Trump don’t rise to the level of derangement, in my book.
Turn yourself in for crimes against children, pedophile.
I’m going to mute you for a while. Your constant attacks on SPB are cluttering the screen. Makes threads hard to follow. Same reason why I mute the other attack dogs, except they’re permanently on mute for never adding anything of substance to a conversation.
Bite me.
Dear ITL,
You caused me to be sad because you called out someone that posted a link to illegal and disgusting content here. Pluggo is also on team D so feelingz and narrative before facts. I’m going to mute you. I repeat, I’m muting you. My feelingz are compelling me to reiterate that you will be muted by me.
PS, I’m muting you.
Sincerely,
sarc (the one that is muting you)
Needs.
I will still talk about you constantly and pretend to know what you post, lying about responses. I will call you a mean girl while doing so. Please be warned. You deserved this for not openly supporting the uniparty.
Grow up.
Where is ITL on The List? Looks like ML is currently first.
Post the list.
POST THE LIST!
Congrats ITL!
Look at sarc defend his leftist buddies. Lol.
Maybe shrike shouldn’t have posted links to child porn and gotten his original handle banned?
I mean, he had promised to leave after losing all of those bets too, and years later he’s still here.
You should know that turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Bullspit. He’s got a bigger cult of personality than his predecessor.
Man, you really are broken.
And the people in Trump's cult are icky. Not like those who worship the Chocolate Jesus.
The only difference I see between the two is that critics of Obama’s policies were labeled as racist by his cultists, while critics of Trump’s policies are labeled delusional by his cultist.
Cite one example of your assertion.
I don't think so. I think the MSM made him and now wants to think that they made something that people follow, so they prop him up as a savior or as a boogieman.
I think people are looking for an excuse. Some are looking for an excuse to go out and kill government employees and some people are looking for an excuse to murder property owners.
Personally, I'm on the property owner's side and really DGAF who or what the excuse is. If I get a legitimate chance to off some goon who is kneeling on an unarmed dude's neck, I'm taking it and blaming Trump.
No. I'm not really that hosed in the head, but there are a LOT of people out there who are and I believe this is the pool the MSM is touting as loyal to Trump or TDS. Either play works.
IMO it's MSM trying to be relevant in the 21st.
No one cares about Trump except Trump. Everyone else cares about their own agenda and Trump is just the excuse.
Good article. The right has most definitely rejected classical liberalism. I’m surprised they still revere Reagan being that he read Bastiat and Hayek, and championed free markets. It would be nice if the right went back to supporting economic liberty, but I doubt it will happen with the current leadership.
Reagan also supported a military buildup in response to an aggressive Soviet Union. He certainly would support Ukraine today.
Odd how Trumpists push back on this article by Stephanie, isn't it?
Stephanie nailed it.
Neocon democrats. Big state supporters. That’s what both of you are. That’s why you defend biden, support war buildup, support federal police shooting protestors, support IC generated attacks against politicians you hate, support political prosecutions, support SV censorship, etc.
Tell me which of these you deny doing the last 5 years.
BTW, turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
This article does a good job of articulating what I’ve been saying for a while. That the political right has abandoned support for economic liberty and classical liberalism in favor of nationalism and protectionism. If you can’t beat the administrative state, use it to destroy your enemies. They have more in common with the hard left than with libertarians. No wonder why the comments are so full of hate.
Yes. You are a neocon.
Youre so ignorant to basic facts that you jumped aboard the neocon pro war wing of Republicans to join democrats. Please tell me how you differ from Kristol or the Lincoln Party.
Meanwhile, we just had multiple spy balloons from our not-at-all-liberalized-by-trade friends in China fly over the US.
We absolutely need more America Firsting.
There an America First position on what to do when a spy balloon flies over our airspace? I don’t recall that topic ever coming up in a discussion of America First ideals.
I thought America First was a slogan to promote economic isolationism, anti-globalism, protectionism, industrial policy, picking winners and losers, and otherwise reject economic liberty and classical liberalism in favor of nationalism, populism and nativism.
That matches my understanding.
Not much in there about what to do with spy balloons.
The problem isn’t that the commander in chief, Biden (D), has not taken kinetic action against a military balloon flying over the US but instead that some movement didn’t have an articulated position developed on it prior to it occurring?
They should have formulated a response for every conceivable thing that might happen in the future!
Shoot it down?
Surely it's bloody obvious that the US was built on white entitlement and when that began to be questioned, enough whites resented that loss of entitlement - political, economic, social - that the resentment could be profitably harnessed by right-wing sociopaths, narcissists, carpetbaggers and sleazes.
Must be so easy going through life blaming all the world's ills on racism. Good work shrike.
He apparently is blaming Trump for his urges towards minors.
Fuck off you worthless POS. I am not shrike. Just because that syphilitic cunt JesseAZ wrongly said I was, doesn't mean I am.
Get your narcissist’s fix today without needing illegal content?
Triggered much?
Oh, and are you black-ish or just overwhelmed with white guilt?
What is easy is going through life
with a strong, reason-based education;
with marketable skills;
in a successful, educated, modern, diverse community on the winning side of bright flight;
on the right side of history;
watching your children and grandchildren get to compete economically with half-educated right-wingers;
and on the winning side of the culture war.
You'll just have to take my word for it, clingers.
Chicago - the capital of the winning side of the culture war
Chicago. Like California with shitty weather.
And more murders.
Baltimore and Philadelphia as well.
There is no "right side of history.". History just is what individuals have done in the past and people who want future history to be right have to make it right now.
How's that for profound, Klinger? Now flourish your cape in your British police box!
SRG is stupid enough to assume un-supported assertions from lefty shits would be accepted as evidence or argument by those even slightly more intelligent than he, let along those of normal intelligence.
Hint, SRG: They aren't. Fuck off and die.
I'm sure your spirochaetes are already hastening you to a richly deserved death, so I will merely ask you to fuck off.
what does "white entitlement" mean in the above post ?
The belief that being white in the US entitled you to govern the country, to have priority in the allocation of resources, to have your ideas about US culture to predominate, to be able to take such steps as are necessary to retain that entitlement.
Nice analysis shrike. Ciltural marxisn for the win?
SRG isn’t shrike. Shrike doesn’t spit the vitriol and absolute assholishness that cunt does. Plus they haven’t posted a link that owns their own post like him.
Anyone who thought being white entitled them to govern the country at any point in history was in for some bad news. As with any other race, almost no white people are in a position to govern the country.
Assuming that race and culture are one and the same is pretty damn racist. The great thing about culture is that anyone can adopt a culture, or adapt it to their needs. Some cultures are better at producing good outcomes than others. There might be a reason besides imperialism and racism why some cultures spread and grow and some don't.
The lack of self-reflection in the comments is astounding. So many just don't realize how every angry post they make proves Slade's thesis.
Your a priori assumption being the correct truth obviously.
Or is it that you already agreed with her assertions?
Lack of evidence makes it hard for me to determine. Because there are a lot of links backing those you are criticizing above.
Especially ones pointing to the types of people Slade relied on for her evidence, those who are left leaning and actively go against the right in general.
Should we have blind support for the Lincoln Party too?
It’s only astounding if you assume they possess honesty, integrity or a sense of shame. Once you realize they reject those qualities as weakness, their hostility makes total sense.
Honesty like this?
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Sure. You probably think you’re tough because you got kicked out of public spaces for coughing in peoples’ faces, and you refused to get vaccinated because it’s a global conspiracy to microchip everyone. Then you get really tough by talking shit online. Sure buddy. Whatever you say.
Or like this where you start calling people liars for disagreeing with shrike in the same thread you disagreed with him in?
https://reason.com/2023/01/25/doj-antitrust-suit-seeks-to-end-google-ad-dominance-the-market-is-already-taking-care-of-that/?comments=true#comment-9895670
It’s not just the people you hate that get angry. Unless I’m on the list again.
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Notice Jason supports murder as a preventative measure.
Shoot first, ask questions later
Shoot non-progressives first, craft narrative later
Would be a fitting end for he/him to meet
You might have a point if we were Republicans…
Follow the bigotry and the desperation of the culture war's casualties. The unreconstructed racism. The superstitious gay-bashing. The misogynistic wailing of the half-educated incels. The backwater Islamophobia. The chanting antisemitism. The resentment of Confederacy fanboys. The economic inadequacy of the can't-keep-up backwaters. The suppression of science and warping of history to flatter declining organized religion. The frightened, selfish xenophobia. The grievances of people whose brains and characters are not up to the adjustments associated with change (progress). The mustering of the antisocial malcontents and disaffected misfits who have always been among us. Rural electrification, a well-intentioned mistake that enabled dysfunctional slack-jaws to coalesce around QAnon, birtherism, and Trump.
Don't worry, though, Stephanie Slade. These pathetic dumbasses haven't accomplished or stuck with much of anything in life and a change in that trajectory seems unlikely. America will continue to progress and these right-wing hayseeds will continue to be painted into increasingly inconsequential, desolate rural and southern stretches. The marketplace of ideas will sift this. American will continue to improve against the wishes of Republicans.
Plenty of racism, superstition, grievances, disaffected misfits, antisocial malcontents, and economic misunderstanding to go around, on both sides.
No, the REAL stormfront racism is the exclusive domain of the left now. Exclusive.
Exclusive? There might be a few college professors and media sources who #resist.
Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.
Let's see
Ronald Reagan, extremist cowboy nationalistic warmonger.
George Bush, wimpy Hitlerite, globalistic warmonger.
George W. Bush. chimpy McHitler, globalist warmonger, now a great guy to have a beer with.
Donald Trump mean tweeting Hitler wanna-be, racist, racistier, racistiest.
Coming Attractions
Ron DeSantis more of a Mussolini.
Kennedy war monger pervert that sexually assaulted almost every intern to work in the White House under him. Multiple affairs, brought us almost to nuclear armageddon.
Johnson Incompetent war monger, pervert that exposed himself to female staffers and a quitter.
Carter most incompetent President until Biden. Failed at the economy worst economy ever up to Biden, Failed at diplomacy, failed at evacuation of Viet Nam, failed at rescue of hostages in Iran, failed at everything but peanut farming.
Clinton pervert that had sex in his office, signed banking reform that led to 2007 crash, multiple affairs and charges of rape. Known for being Epstein’s buddy and flights on the lolitia express. Corrupt,
Obama, the great divider, corrupted the IRS, DOJ and FBI.
Democratic party, the party of the KKK, southern Democrat racism, and Jim Crow laws.
Republicans, founded as the Anti-slavery party and freed the slaves.
It is not like either side has had great leaders. But we do fare better economically under Republicans. Both side spend to much and contributed to the current deficit. The racism and war stuff is BS.
As for war mongering, one party calling the other warmongers is like the pot calling the kettle black.
WW1 Democrat Wilson
WW2 Democrat FDR & Truman
Korean war Democrat Truman and Republican Eisenhower
Viet Nam R. Dwight Eisenhower, D. John F. Kennedy,D. Lyndon B. Johnson, R. Richard Nixon, and R. Gerald Ford, D. Carter
Grenada – Republican Reagan
Panama and Iraq – Republican Bush one
Afganistan and Iraq – Republican Bush two
Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Sudan, and Yugoslavia – Democrat Clinton
Afghanistan – Republican Trump (but didn’t get us into any new wars)
Ukraine – Democrat Obama and Democrat Biden
Yeah, Pat Buchanan is the one who really scared the country club Republican set. Who would work at their companies for low wages if they couldn't import more labor?
Buchanan has more in common with Sanders than Reagan.
Trump just scares the neocons, because he might not go along with the War on Terra plan.
That’s about the only thing I like about Trump. He killed fewer people than any president in the last forty years.
But you literally reposit neocon and democrat assertions. You openly advocate for Ukraine to escalate. Lol.
Fuck that anti-war shit from the populist conservative wing. We need to go nucularrr in Ukraine!
And China -- they're bombarding us with weather balloons!
Whycome some GOP not exactly like adultz in room democratz?!!
It can all be dismissed by saying it is “some” GOP and writing the sentence in funny spelling. So easy.
Why can't all GOP be just like Mittens Romney and Maverick John McCain?!
What is Things Stephanie Slade Didn’t Say?
Typical leftist projection. *yawn*
Speaking of populism, Glenn Greenwald interviews Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Oh my god, MTG, there she goes, going on about being $34 trillion in debt. Can we move past the debt ceiling conversation and get back to the grownups table. Ukraine needs M1 tanks.
Dude, the balloon is the most important news right now.
An aerial device launched by an adversarial nation hovering over the US nuclear triad is “nothing to see here?” Some have suggested it is a test run for carrying a nuclear device whereas S2Underground thinks an EMP device is more likely.
The Chinese have spy satellites so this isn’t likely a Francis Gary Powers type deal.
It is unlikely a means of getting Chinese agents into the US since Biden (D) has an open southern border where agents could just walk across.
It’s a trial balloon.
This is the funniest joke and yet closest to the truth.
It's too low for an EMP device.
For a HEMP, way too low. Apparently, a lower altitude blast (even at ground level) is going to create electromagnetic issues. I’m deferring to S2U.
Yeach, HEMP has no THC, so it can't be high.
Wait, what were we talking about?
😉
It's delivering Biden's laundry. Stacks of crisp new hundred dollar bills.
It’s pretty big…
Reason has over 5000 articles tagged Trump. Over 1700 tagged Republican party. Zero tagged Democrat party. Why is that? Not one article tagged Democrats. Strange isn't it.
https://reason.com/all-tags/
In the political tag of war, they are pulling against Trump…and they have been a lot of pulling in that regard.
That's not true. They've got 8 for Social Democrats. Two of those are about Trump.
Aah. A real observation.
Yup, you really proved that Reason hasn’t written any articles about Biden or the Democrats…
Gosh, what are these 1429 articles tagged with “Joe Biden”?
https://reason.com/tag/joe-biden/
These 629 tagged “Biden Administration”…
https://reason.com/tag/biden-administration/
These 1025 tagged “Obama Administration”…
https://reason.com/tag/obama-administration/
These 1585 about Hillary Clinton:
https://reason.com/tag/hillary-clinton/
What nice little DeeMocrat
Again, let's look at the link, shall we, Dee?
https://reason.com/all-tags/
Donald Trump (5,302)
No single individual is even close. the next three are Joe Biden, Rand Paul, and Ron Paul, and they're fairly far down the list.
Republican Party (1,786)
But no corresponding tag for the Democratic Party. When comparing administrations, "Bush Administration" has a mere 25 entries, and "Trump Administration" has only 451, both a bit less than "Biden Administration".
On legislation, "Obamacare" comes out on top at 4,176 tags.
For events,
Republican Convention 2008 (112)
Republican Convention 2012 (210)
Republican Convention 2016 (97)
Republican Convention 2020 (28)
But no corresponding tag for "Democratic Convention" for any year.
But, you're totes not a Democrat, eh?
Mike is a libertarian (tm) and ENB <3 Mike.
Anyone else have comments they posted vanish? Today was the third time it happened to me in the past week or so.
If I logout and it had been only a few minutes since posting, I need to log back in to see them (or wait some more minutes). Also get occasional lockups where it freezes; that requires clicking back once where the text is in comment box requiring “Submit” to be clicked again.
Yes, but not recently.
"Buchanan was also doggedly committed to reducing federal spending, while a balanced-budget amendment was at the heart of the Perot campaign."
Ah Yes! Back in the day when the economy, small government and balanced budgets actually mattered. Alas, those days or sadly gone as today's duopoly is all about big government (both in our private lives and in our bank accounts).
Back when fiscal conservatism wasn't considered a crazy notion.
That train has left the station. Nothing can stop what's coming. There's no way out.
That's because Americans don't want it. If Republicans actually seriously adopted fiscal conservatism and small government, they'd be below 25%.
The ship has struck the iceberg and she will founder. Too many are not contributing; taxing producers harder and printing more money is all that will occur to address this.
And they can't form a committee to rearrange the deck chairs until someone figures out the "correct" percentages of disadvantaged groups to include on the committee.
Like California high speed railroad to nowhere.
"The GOP's Pitchfork Populism Is Older Than Trump"
And the D's coercive wealth redistribution is older than droolin' Joe, too.
Well looks like Stephanie has a huge throbbing hardon for establishment presidents. Well Reason got what they wanted, by any means necessary, in 2020. And of course the War Party took over dragging us into something that looks a lot like WW3. It's been my observation that whatever Trump, Buchanan and Perot, "Pitchfork Republicans" were, they were not neocons. The MIC is the establishment and when libertarians become apologists for assholes like "within normal parameters" Joe Biden, they promote the war and corruption that has exploded since he took office.
Trump did everything he could withdraw from the wars and foreign entanglements that the Bushes, Clinton and Obama left behind. Pat Buchanan has always been famously anti war or isolationist if you prefer.
Here's Ross Perot on foreign policy from decades ago,
https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/ross-perot/policies/foreign-policy
The technical term is "war boner".
Funny thing. I had the TV on yesterday and they were showing video from the House floor, something about a committee assignment. There was weeping, screaming and shrieking. Members were waving their fists in the air and pounding on lecterns. Some were accusing fellow members of racism and labeling them insurrectionists. Not one of these angry politicians was a Republican. Go figure.
They are all power mad.
FAA just shutdown 3 airports in the Carolinas (Charleston, Myrtle Beach and Wilmington) due to the Chinese balloon. President Biden (D) apparently just stated that the US “…is gonna take care of…” the Chinese balloon. Sloppy Joe, it is a bit late for that.
Fuck Sloppy Joe.
I cannot think of a thing that would be easier to deal with, and I don't buy the 'worried about collateral damage'. If an enemy flies an unmanned surveillance balloon over your airspace, it seems trivial to take it out.
They know and track its exact location. They must know its speed and trajectory. With that information, they should be able to reasonably time a shootdown over a vast unpopulated area all but guaranteeing no impact to people on the ground.
It's a balloon, so it's not traveling at mach 12. It's fall arc should be relatively predictable if the balloon is shredded.
You might think this would have been a no brainer when it was over Montana. The counter to this logic is: Joe Biden (D)
Slava reporting it was shot down.
Now it’ll just escalate. If before we were dealing with 1 communist balloon, now they’ll send another 99 red balloons. And that’ll be it, boys, that’ll be war!
Is it just me, or does Dolly Parton's "Two Doors Down" have a similar cadence to "99 Red Balloons" at least in certain places?
Two Doors Down
https://youtu.be/oodPqrjwNQc
99 Red Balloons
https://youtu.be/hiwgOWo7mDc
One thing's for sure: Dolly's and NENA's balloons can float over and trigger my missile anytime. 🙂
Fox has footage of the shootdown.
Should have been done 3 days ago. Over Montana. Instead it took a leisurely trip across the nuclear ranges and SAC bases, before being shot down over the Atlantic (ocean, not magazine).
So they shot it down over the Atlantic? Might have been nice to get a peek at the wreckage...
We need to protect China's military technology.
Well the evil craft has been destroyed but Balloongate is just starting. Who knew what and when did they know it? A balloon flying above the clouds is a very shiny object. Look over there! All I know is my airspace has been violated. I feel we've all been collectively raped.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1621975945468076032?t=PxVY5BicHkKErgOu1o3qtQ&s=19
Biden says he ordered the Chinese spy balloon be shot down the instant he was briefed of it but was overruled by Gen. Mark Milley.
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Average depth 47 feet. The US Navy is on it. So to speak.
So did it get a good look at King's Bay Naval Base too, before it was destroyed for the Communist Chinese Party?
How did the Republican Party get from Ronald Reagan—a man who read F.A. Hayek and Frédéric Bastiat and who spoke of America as a welcoming "city on a hill"—to the nativism, protectionism, and populism of Trump?
That line goes straight through 30 years of the Democrat party being vehemently anti-immigration. It's no coincidence Trump used to be a Democrat. He's a NYC liberal and like all of them, he spent the last 30 years supporting strict border control.
It kind of makes sense for the party of labor unions. Weird how it has become so much of a left/right issue.
I don't think either party can claim to free of populists. Certainly, Senator Sanders and others espouse a liberal form of populism that rejects international trade and military interventions. Many far left and far right talk about the evils of corporate culture and crony capitalism. I would suggest that there is and has been a certain part of the population that is disaffected and that fears ever present change, these people are drawn to populists whether to the left or the right. These people see populists as the agents opposing change, not recognizing that change always happens. Both sides tend to demonize centrists who accept change and look for ways to adapt to the change.
"Both sides tend to demonize centrists"
With good reason.
Almost every giant fuck-up in the last twenty-five years, from Iraq and Afghanistan, to the 2008 bailouts, to the fascist Covid response has been due to the ineptitude and greed of GOP and Democratic "centrists".
No. The fact is the country ran much better under centrists who could use compromise to develop effective plan at lower costs. The debt has gone up when partisans are in charge of the government. Check the records. Certainly the centrist had no part in the COVID response, you had an ineffective administration offer no leadership and that resulted in chaos.
Well, the country runs better under centrists than under progressives, since centrists aren't quite as batshit crazy as progressives. Imagine how much better it would run under actual small government conservatives.
The Trump administration was centrist in its policies.
The Trump administration fast-tracked vaccine development, providing a useful tool for protecting the elderly.
And the Trump administration left public health measures to the states, which allowed a large number of states to make the right choices and also happens to reflect the proper role of the federal government. A centrally imposed response would have been much worse.
" Imagine how much better it would run under actual small government conservatives."
When you find a small government conservative we can discuss this matter. There may have been a few but most are only in the history books now.
The Trump administration was all over the board on COVID19, as I noted chaos. There was no message discipline and they never left it to the states. Many states did what they could, and the President often criticized what they did. The administration offered haphazard support for the states. They also supported legislation that in some case made things worse. The American people saw this for what it was and fired Trump in 2020.
So, in other words, Trump did his job, acted like a centrist, and left most decisions to the states, as he should.
As for American voters, they are greedy fools and are already suffering the consequences Of their choices.
Who cares about all this? In the long run any polity not run by a tiny clique (not a representative sample) is centrist.
The term "centrist" in this context refers to "centrism" right now: a compromise between a social welfare state and free markets and a compromise between social liberalism/atheism and traditional Christian values. The kind of compromise that existed under Clinton and Bush... and Trump. The kind of compromise that worked well for America.
Obama, Biden, and the Democratic party in 2023 are not "centrist", they are radical leftists. If Americans vote them into power, it will be out of greed and ignorance, and if that happens, Americans will suffer badly.
Why would a political party ever want to claim to be free of populists? "We think we agree with the bulk of the population, so populists should be with us."
Because a popular opinion does not always reflect a majority opinion. A populist often grabs on to a popular idea and uses it to get attention even when that idea is wrong and not what most people want. Often popular ideas are divisive rather than inclusive and this again generates attention, the goal of the populist.
Tl;dr Stephanie Slade pines away for a Republican party that is incapable of doing anything more than losing gracefully. A controlled opposition party meant to soak up the votes of people who actually love this Country and then promptly concede the argument to the Democrats, even if it wins.
It makes the article even more pointless considering that the current GOP already does this. Only 20-ish held up the speakership of the establishment McCarthy. They only managed to hold it up for around a week. The GOP is neutered and basically plays the washington generals to the democrat's harlem globetrotters.
Well, you're the one who wants a "Day of the Rope," so how can you claim to love America?
Fuck Off, Nerdy Nazi!
Hahaha. This is almost like a David Attenborough documentary.
Let us observe the orange-face red-rump baboon in its natural public environment. The Reason comment thread. We notice first that the zookeeper opens the door to the thread by writing an ‘article’. Not all articles are successful in luring the baboon in even if all articles are successful at bringing in entrepreneurs who brag about how much money they make and are exceedingly generous in offering the secret of their high income to everyone.
But written correctly, as we can see, the author triggers the baboons with words like Trump, feminazis, Republican, populist, “owning the libs” (in scare quotes is best).
Notice how energized they are when they arrive. No one has dissected one of these baboons, or even knows much about their existence outside the comment thread. But it appears that they are almost perpetual motion machines powered by anger at others outside the baboon community. It is quite easy to see how they express their anger and to whom. There is no subtlety with the orange-faced red-rumped baboon. Once they have manifested that anger and proven themselves worthy to mark the comment thread as their territory and safe space, they groom each other in a ritual of baboon bonding.
It is a fascinating creature…
You, of course, are somehow different.
He's on his 86th booster and has just finished hanging his Ukrainian/Pride flag decorations, but he's no credulous buffoon like those awful Trumpsters.
I hope you were masked why typing that comment. Just two more weeks.
Jslave commenting about the commenters has to be peak irony.
FYI, your N95 mask doesn't work either.
And today in Newsweek.
Some of were saying that from the beginning, that even N95s were not good enough. An N95 needs to be properly fit tested to work; however, there's a reason they're illegal to wear when working with silica and asbestos: the particle size is smaller than the holes in the mask. Particles of silica and asbestos are larger than the aerosolized virus. If those can make it in so can the virus. The only thing that could stop it would be a half-face respirator with P100 (HEPA) filters, at a minimum. That's why health professionals performing tests were wearing those.
A quick look at China will tell you masks do nothing against viruses.
Explaining his appeal, the right-wing Dartmouth professor Jeffrey Hart wrote
I absolutely refuse to believe that Dartmouth has or has ever had a "right wing" professor. lol
Maybe he was less Maoist so it qualified.
He raised his hand for a question during a Diversity Inclusion and Equity training session.
https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1622055729568911361?t=vH4dzliikaUoMkbXvZ-a8A&s=19
I asked ChatGPT for 5 things white and black people need to improve
Try to spot the difference
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Yeah, on anything 'politically sensitive', ChatGPT is an utter joke. It is a technical wonder in its ability to process typed language, but the answers it spits out are laughable beyond compare.
On technical stuff that's not controversial, however, it's amazing.
There was a time when such creatures did exist. I Hart probably qualifies as a right-wing conservative: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hart
The one takeaway from this anti GOP screed is that its author disdains Republicans.
If a book-length compilation of errors and dishonest coverage — printed in the Columbia Journalism Review, and written by a reporter with the credentials of Jeff Gerth — doesn’t get picked up by MSM at all, it’s proof they will never reform.
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php
So many of the problems the Columbia Journalism Review documents we see right here at Reason... still.
But hopefully, it will be.
Don't worry, Stephanie, the Koch brothers will still pay you to scream at the moon, just like senile 1960's communists are doing today.
Don’t worry, Stephanie, the Koch brothers will still pay you to scream at the moon, just like senile 1960’s communists are doing today.
Initially, I was going to say, "what are you talking about, they're running everything" but then I thought hard about the specificity of "senile 1960s communists" and I have to agree, you're right. It's the 1970s/80s neo marxists who are running everything. So fair play.
https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/1621971767932723206?t=YvOUH6860idCpewG67NWQQ&s=19
Don't forget that your hatred towards journalists is justified.
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Trump did Cut-Taxes.
Trump did De-Regulate.
Trump did Cut-Spending.
Trump wasn't nativism he wanted LEGAL immigration only.
Trump wasn't "protectionism" he wanted to STOP subsidizing imports.
Trump wasn't "populism" he was Liberty minded; the left is populism. (Which is just short for [WE] Gang mentality).
100% BS propaganda article.
When you don’t make a distinction between legal and illegal immigration, then that allows you some wiggle room in claiming anyone who’s for legal immigration but wish to restrict illegal immigration as being anti-immigration, which then morphs to “anti-immigrant” which quickly morphs to “racist”.
True.
Also, when you say you are only against illegal immigration, but then have no interest in changing any laws to create more legal paths for immigration you come off as insincere.
(Not saying you, specifically, Diane/Paul. Have no idea if that shoe fits you or not.)
...And when you pitch "more legal paths" in a nation with the HIGHEST immigration already. You come off as insincere in your immigration policy like so long as open-borders is legal.
I'm not sure I know what you're saying.
We allow x number of legal immigrants into the country.
We have y number of illegal immigrants swarming the border.
Solution: Declare the Y number legal and solve the problem.
That's not a solution. That's simply magicking the Y number into the column of "legal" and declaring it a solution.
Well, first of all I was just saying to move more of Y into the legal category. Not all of Y.
I’m not sure why you aren’t getting it. It’s just an application of the desire path principle of design:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desire_path
People are walking where the central planners didn’t anticipate their walking. So build pathways where they have been walking.
Of course, I’m assuming a desire to accommodate freedom for a larger number of people.
I’m assuming a desire to accommodate freedom for a larger number of people.
Your assumption is wrong. Otherwise the voters of these large swaths of immigrants would maintain their own nations freedom. As the saying goes: Import Non-American get Non-America which really should be USA not American. Immigrants overwhelmingly vote for the same Nazi-policy they are trying to escape from. That is the part that needs addressed/filtered.
Demonstrating that statically a larger number of current immigrants want to TAKE-AWAY others freedom more than they want freedom for all. (i.e. They’re just looking for greener grass to conquer and consume - point & case CA open-borders experiment).
Is there another country with a more relaxed immigration policy than us?
When you decide YOU can set the terms of the debate, you assume you have won.
Until you end up debating someone who calls bullshit on your definition: ""protest" vs "Insurrection".
But it is not, illegals come from all countries, races and ethnicity's . It is a distortion to say someone for only legal immigration is a racist. The quotas are often pointed to, but that is not racism and can easily be fixed by adjusting the quotas, but neither side has been willing to negotiate immigration reform.
Don't tell Sandra; she thinks you're deluded in mentioning what 'that late night TV host' accomplished; shame on you!
Reason writers have a terminal case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. They will be blaming Trump for everything long after he is dead, and until they are dead. Trump did a good job considering the harassment and lies against him, especially the Russian collusion, but he was not perfect by any means. Trump spent way to much money increasing the deficit, and I am not talking about covid relief, which is entirely on Congress. Trump also signed every domestic spying bill into law, much to his own detriment. Those were my two biggest issues with Trump. Still he has Biden beat by 10 miles.
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Conservatives believe in limited executive power.
Except that hasn’t been true in decades or even a century. Don’t get me wrong. I’d be delighted to see a political movement dedicated to the curtailment of executive power. But, conservatives, and even regime libertarians, have embraced the Imperial Executive. And that goes a long, long, way before Donald Trump. Hell, we’re regularly treated to Reason articles supporting executive action without any Congressional mandate for pot, Mexicans, and butt sex. And I don’t see many conservatives demanding the abandonment of the administrative state or the curtailment of presidential war powers. And regime libertarians, like Reason, have been, at best, squishy on those issues.
Donald Trump’s executive actions seemed focused on repealing prior executive actions. That hardly seems like embracing executive power.
True. Over centuries, conservatives have pursued and applied executive and other ruling power as much as liberals, and probably more, especially prior to the 20th century. If you don't agree then you must think that monarchies and theocracies are not conservative.
While Trump indeed repealed previous executive orders, his mouth spouted proposals for new ones. In the age of words-are-violence, that was too much for sensitive people.
Bumpstock ban enters the chat.
"How did the Republican Party get from Ronald Reagan—a man who read F.A. Hayek and Frédéric Bastiat and who spoke of America as a welcoming "city on a hill"—to the nativism, protectionism, and populism of Trump?"
An invasion of 10 million largely illiterate migrants will do that.
Ironically the Republican Party isn't the champion of illiterate migrants. That would be the left.
'.....He stood several feet away from Martin Luther King Jr. during the “I Have a Dream” speech. He went to China with Richard M. Nixon and walked away from Watergate unscathed. He survived Iran-Contra, too, and sat alongside Ronald Reagan at the Reykjavík Summit. ...' He never gave himself the moniker of 'Pitchfork' and most certainly it was not a homage to some racist. This is cheap slander you see in the 'rags' sold at the checkout counter. Reagan 'endorsed' Bush but any idiot reading his terse tepid endorsement know he was pulling for Buchannon.
The new pitchfork populism.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/must-an-antioch-student-bow-down-to-social-justice-dogma-to-graduate/ar-AA17a5iC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d2869d93e30747a8945b35ee80dbdf46
I still prefer pitchfork populism to the top down Democratic elites repressive, authoritarian unconstitutional dictatorship. Given those two choices I will vote for populism over dictatorship every time.
Reason you do realize we have a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. Populism is by definition representing the people’s preferences.
Of course Reason rejects that and prefers the Democratic elites making the political decisions for all of us.
f Hemmer's history of conservatism describes the U-turn from Reaganite liberalism to MAGA illiberalism happening earlier than many people realize, another recent entrant in the genre further complicates the story. In 2022's The Right: The Hundred Year War for American Conservatism (Basic Books), journalist Matthew Continetti turns the clock back another seven decades and finds no dearth of economic nationalism or outrage peddling in the interim.
Under Presidents Wa
SLOPPY PLUGGO has no shame.
Or the huge stash of documents Biden left in a garage in Kiev.
I read it as tongue in cheek. Them calling the balloon the latest distraction.
Want more pounces? How about this trial balloon?
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-biden-chinese-spy-balloon-montana-181337784.html
Republicans pounce on Biden over appearance of Chinese spy balloon