Atlanta Charges Nonviolent Protesters as Domestic Terrorists
Out of 19 suspects arrested on terrorism charges, at least nine are accused of nothing more serious than trespassing.

An anti-police protest movement in Atlanta has ironically led to a massive expansion of police powers.
In what was once dubbed "the city too busy to hate," protesters have recently taken aim at a new police training facility. In September 2021, Atlanta's city council approved the construction of a police and firefighter training facility on 85 acres of a 265-acre parcel of city-owned land in Georgia's South River Forest. The campus would include a driving course and a mock city that both police and firefighters could use to train. Funding for the project would include $30 million from the city police budget and twice that from the Atlanta Police Foundation (APF), a private nonprofit that fundraises for donations to supplement police budgets.
The training facility project has drawn the ire of anti-police protesters, who derisively dub it "Cop City." This is at least in part because the facility is slated to be built on the site of a prison farm that operated until the 1990s.
Opponents of the project recoil at the idea of turning the site of the prison farm—which subjected inmates to "slave conditions" for decades—into yet another tool of law enforcement. In return, for more than a year, activists from a group calling itself "Defend the Atlanta Forest" have set up camp in the forest in an attempt to discourage further development.
At times, the protests have turned violent: Last year, police arrested eight protesters for throwing rocks and Molotov cocktails at officers. And on January 19, a Georgia State Patrol (GSP) officer shot and killed activist Manuel Paez Teran. The officer alleges he returned fire after being shot first, and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation (GBI) confirmed that Paez Teran had purchased the gun used to shoot the officer in 2020, but no body camera footage of the exchange is available.
Violence, whether stemming from cops or protesters, is obviously indefensible (and Paez Teran's death ought to be thoroughly investigated).
But those terrible incidents aside, law enforcement's response to protesters who are engaging peacefully has been shockingly heavy-handed. According to arrest warrants reviewed by Grist, 19 protesters arrested in relation to Cop City in December and January have been charged with felonies under Georgia's law against domestic terrorism. Nine of those 19 are accused only of misdemeanor trespassing.
One of the warrants refers to the group, Defend the Atlanta Forest, as "a group classified by the United States Department of Homeland Security as Domestic Violent Extremists." Georgia's domestic terrorism law was passed in 2017 partly to address incidents like the 2015 murder of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina. The law provides penalties for death, kidnapping, serious bodily injury, or the destruction of "critical infrastructure." But it does not specify that the law can apply to members of a group not directly involved when other members commit violent acts. Many of the warrants go into great detail about the actions Defend the Atlanta Forest is accused of, only to then lump in individual members on the basis of "criminally trespassing on posted land and sleeping in the forest" or "occupying a tree house on the site, refusing to leave, and posting videos and calls for actions on social media."
If convicted, the penalty for the destruction of critical infrastructure is between five and 35 years in prison.
The arrests in Atlanta are yet another example of the anti-terror mission creep that has set in over the last two decades. While the term terrorism may evoke specific mental images, as a legal term it has grown to include any number of things outside the realm of suicide bombings or the attacks on 9/11. In 2021, a Michigan prosecutor slapped a school shooter with a terrorism charge on the grounds that his actions had sown fear in the community.
Some actions in Atlanta may genuinely warrant prosecution, but treating every protester as a terrorist only serves to chill free speech. Lauren Regan, executive director of the Civil Liberties Defense Center, told Grist, "It's so next time a vigil happens, mom or the school teacher or the nurse—or someone that has higher risk of randomly getting arrested—is probably going to think twice about going."
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Say what you will about what happened in Atlanta, it was no January 6.
The only allowable peaceful protests are the ones approved by the party.
Mostly peaceful.
With a side of cop car fires and shattered windows.
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Many of the January 6th protesters who did nothing more than "trespass" (and were let into the Capitol by the police) have remained in the D.C. jail for over two years, so excuse me if I have no sympathy for these out-of-state terrorists who came to Atlanta specifically to terrorize those who are building the APD training center.
Get back to me after they have been in jail for over two years and I might reconsider my "give a damn" level.
Good response.
Exactly. Goose, gander, sauce.
Are you suggesting that Atlanta was in some way worse than a deadly attack on the heart of our democracy?
Well, no one in the Capitol on Jan 6 shot a cop and no one dug pits in the Capitol building then set fires so that the first responders would fall into them and be injured. So there's that.
If convicted, the penalty for the destruction of critical infrastructure is between five and 35 years in prison.
Insurrection is a serious crime, no?
And to be a bit less glib about the obvious 1/6 comparison, I have to wonder about the positions we're taking. Do we want better trained police? So should we support police training facilities, especially when they're largely constructed with private funding? Or are we against the idea of a potential expansion of the police state?
No. We can be agaisnt an increased police state and still mock the obvious disparities in the media and Reason lackies treatment and expectations.
I really stopped caring about, let alone buying the propaganda of, these anti-cop activists after spending several days cleaning up the aftermath of the Ferguson Riots in 2014.
Maybe you guys at the magazine could do an office outing where you all volunteer to go down to Atlanta and clean up after these guys. It might inform your perspective.
I too don't care. Someone in these kids lives need to tell them to get a job and stop being losers who damage any actual reforms that could be had with their conter productive antics.
Most of these Antifa fatheads are trust fund kids, and/or are related to powerful, mostly white Democratic politicians.
They're supposed to be the left's shock troops, but they fucked up by not getting most of Atlanta's black population to buy in before they rioted. So now Atlanta's Democratic mayor and Georgia's Republican DA are looking to fuck their shit up.
Don't forget the black guys there for BJs from the guilty white chicks.
Can you share an address where I can find these white womens?
Oh most definitely. I fucking hate rioters. The City of Baltimore never recovered from the 68 riots and it sickens me that people justify riots. Baltimore had other problems, steel mill closed and later drugs, but the riots drove the tax base out of the city and has made it near impossible to recover fully.
Clean up, hell they'd be in the streets destroying shit with their marxist brethren.
An anti-police protest movement in Atlanta has ironically led to a massive expansion of police powers.
What else would you expect? Government fixes abuse of power by giving itself more power.
Hmmm... a "entity of power" seeking to increase its power. Whodathunkit?
Feature, not a bug.
We hear screaming all the time from activists about how cops need better training. Then they turn around and complain over attempts to give the cops better training. They claim this just gives the cops more power.
I'm guessing that in their mind "training" meant taking a sensitivity class.
"Out of 19 suspects arrested on terrorism charges, at least nine are accused of nothing more serious than trespassing."
It's only ok when the federal totalitarian regime does it...
The fucking gall of someone like Lancaster proves we need a culture more willing to deliver physical consequences to clumps of cancer like he/him.
1A protects dissenting speech…except on January 6.
Where the REAL violence and property destruction happened.
1A doesn't protect rioting, criminal damage, criminal trespass or battery, but thanks for playing.
Dude, the summer riots were worse. Not only were they worse, but they weren't sufficiently condemned. That means that J6 was completely peaceful, and anyone who says otherwise fully supported the riots. The fact that you said something critical about the peaceful J6 protestors means you fully supported the summer riots, along with all of the damage, trespass and battery. Don't deny it, you leftist.
An unarmed woman airing her voice to a government that ostensibly works for her was murdered by a government agent. Didn’t you bitch slap your kid? That’s more than Babbitt did to anyone in DC.
If only she she could have foreseen that the agents on the other side of the door she was smashing/breaking through - who had guns pointed at her face...and who were yelling "stop or we will shoot!!" would actually shoot when she didn't stop!!
Inconceivable.
A minute prior, there were multiple security present and they were doing an ok job of deescalation. They suddenly disappeared. She was unarmed on public property. If security felt they needed to disperse the protestors, there are non-lethal means such as hot sauce. Or they could have kept the other security at that threshold to continue to deescalate.
A police officer telling an unarmed person they need to leave the city park because it is after hours does not have the justification to discharge his sidearm into them.
Bug brother thanks you for your piety.
Well actually the cop that murdered Babbit was not within her line of sight and there is no evidence that he yelled “stop or we will shoot!!”. You could watch the video if you actually give a shit.
I did watch a video. She was clawing and scratching through a set of doors/windows which had a bunch of shit (furniture and what not) stacked up against it on the other side to prevent them from getting in. This wasn't a door on the outside of the capitol. It was the last set of doors between the protestors and the lawmakers and staff in the chamber on the inside of the capitol.
And she was shot in the neck because her head was exposed through the hole in the door she and others created. She was acting like a complete and total idiot. If the shooting was as bad as you are implying, then some republican would have pursued an investigation against the shooter since she was just minding her own business, exercising first amendment rights, unarmed and angelic as you say. But nothing happened! She was murdered in cold blood, says you, and not a single investigation? The deep state is much deeper than we could have ever imagined! O_o
Difficulty. Other police in the area with Babbitt had their guns down, not worried, and reported they heard no commands to stop. Weird how cops on the side of the door with babbitt weren't in fear of their lives.
In addition, she was not the one breaking the glass. She tried to stop the guy.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/new-footage-shows-ashli-babbitt-punched-violent-rioter-breaking-windows-face-just-seconds-shot-dead-video/
Once again, the latest video directly contradicts the fabricated narrative that Babbitt had been acting as a violent insurrectionist, and even supports the evidence that was released last week that showed she was attempting to stop two violent instigators from smashing the windows leading into the Speaker’s lobby.
If only Nichols in Memphis could have foreseen that the cops pulling him over for breaking a traffic law would beat the life out of him for not obeying their 70+ commands, he would had not broke those laws and would have obeyed their commands. I guess he learned his lesson!
Except they didn't you lying leftist cunt.
It’d be a shame if your little narrative fell apart when you saw that their were officers on her side of the door with guns who didn’t feel the need to shoot an unarmed protestor.
"An unarmed woman airing her voice..."
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/07/theres-word-what-trumpism-becoming/619418/
There’s a Word for What Trumpism Is Becoming
The relentless messaging by Trump and his supporters has inflicted a measurable wound on American democracy.
From above…
“The conversion of Ashli Babbitt into a martyr, a sort of American Horst Wessel, expresses the transformation. Through 2020, Trump had endorsed deadly force against lawbreakers: “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted on May 29, 2020. Babbitt broke the law too, but not to steal a TV. She was killed as she tried to disrupt the constitutional order, to prevent the formalization of the results of a democratic election.”
Well, also Saint Babbitt was unarmed, they say... To this I say...
What utter bullshit! A lion, tiger, or bear charges you, having NO weapons other than their body parts... Just as "un-armed" as Saint Babbitt... Are you, or are you NOT gonna shoot said predator, if you have a gun? If I beat the shit out of you, with my fists, shall I be forgiven, 'cause I was... unarmed?
My GAWD you (Saint Babbitt Worshitters) fascists are illogical!!!
Well speak of the Nutzi Party, Sqrlsy's here.
I do believe a cop-sucker has identified himself.
It is amazing watching you state the arguments correctly then try to dismiss them on the same attempt at sarcasm.
Most j6 protestoes were non violent. Less than 200 of the 900 charged committed any form of violence. Yet you support their prosecution. You laugh at a cop shooting an unarmed woman. It is amazing to watch.
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
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Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Horst and Babbs both wanted to grab political power through violence, and got back, what they were dishing out. Karma is a bitch! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
Refute it, bitch!
Hopefully Saint Babbitt, in the Great Beyond the Beyond, is looking benevolently down upon the neglectful Reason writers, and, in Her Mercy, She will forgive them!
In the meantime, perhaps we faithful Reasonoid commenters can make up for the shortcomings of the Reason writers! Here, below, I give you a sample of GREAT, True Devotion to Saint Babbitt, as written by a Devout And Respectful fellow Reasonoid commenter!
Poor Babbitt. An innocent tourist shot by a cop for no reason while peacefully milling about the Capital. It’s the worst police shooting that ever happened. Ever. Compared to choking people, suffocating them, beating them to death with fists, this is the absolute most egregious action by police to have ever happened in the known history of the universe.
But She will remain in our thoughts. Before long we’ll erect a statue in Her honor. Saint Babbitt. May She look after peaceful tourists everywhere.
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TMI, Sqrlsy, TMI.
Well, then, in THAT case, get OFF of my case, and PLEASE, whatever you do, NEVER-ever ask me about my parole officer, or my landlady and her "rent payments", or the 7 geese and the 5 hamsters, the green paint, the dwarves, the miniature horses, and the hairless mole rats, OR those wild SPANKINGS in the Castle Anthrax, or... Or else might fully-pubically (on Twitter-Twatter) invite YOU to my NEXT party, dammit!!!
"What an eccentric performance."
They were worse.
They were hardly condemned. Even here.
Nobody has said that J6 was completely peaceful.
It did when Kavanaugh was being confirmed. Iirc, when Trump was sworn in. A civil trespass on public property does not warrant murder similar to what happened with Heather Heyer and jaywalking. Yeah, there were feet on a desk. All speech is equal but some speech is more equal than others…but thanks for playing.
Hell, Bubba Clinton pardoned the the terrorists that shot and wounded 5 congressmen in the U.S capitol. Wifey needed the Puerto Rican vote.
That's equivalent to disrupting the certification of the election? Stop being a political victim. You can guess what would have happened had the politics been reversed, but you don't know. To be honest if it had been reversed I think it would have been total destruction. I don't know why but people who lean right tend to clean up after themselves and respect the property of others, while people who lean left don't give a shit about either. I digress. I'm just sick of those yahoos being held up as martyrs. People who wave around pictures of martyrs don't impress me. I don't care who they are.
The politics had been reversed as both wreckinball and I referenced. Are any of those people sitting in jail for two years? Were any of them shot by government agents? I also referenced Heyer being murdered for protesting…and jaywalking. My recollection is that Heyer’s politics was far from libertarian; she had the right to protest and not be driven over dead.
Government must have walked through Smirnoff because you keep licking their boots.
It's not fair. I get it. Can we move on?
Just confirming you’re good with unequal treatment under the law based on politics.
Just confirming that you're going to bitch and moan and whine and cry about how the J6 martyrs were treated sooooooooo unfairly whenever any protest of any kind occurs, and then accuse anyone who doesn't bitch and moan and whine and cry of being totally cool with what happened.
Understood. You can continue to bitch and moan and whine and cry now. I will ignore you.
If you want to consider calling out unequal treatment by government “bitch and moan,” so be it. You’re good with it; I’m not.
Now that’s funny. You’re no different than some BLM heckler screaming “George Floyd!” to distract from whatever it is they’re distracting, and then accusing anyone who objects to their behavior of being cool with how he was killed.
That's exactly what's going on. Hm. Thanks, I may not have picked up on that if you weren't so busy being a dick. Muchas grassyass.
Yup sarc. You hit the hammer right on the thumb.
Sarc is spending a lot of time and emotion defending political persecutions he agrees with.
Go get another drink you absolute waste of oxygen.
Calling out the hypocrisy and unequal treatment isn’t “bitching and moaning”, it’s the only fucking moral position.
The horse is dead. Stop beating it.
How can it possibly be dead when the prosecutions in Washington are still ongoing and there’s still no condemnation of the kangaroo courts? Seems more like the cart is rolling on ahead and nobody is tapping the brakes even slightly.
If only Heather's co conspirators hadn't been trying to assault/murder the vile guy that ran her over but if they were peaceful they wouldn't be leftists.
Heyer wasn't driven over for protesting, or by Fields. Fields, dickhead or no, hit a car, that hit a car, that hit Heyer. Fields may have had sociopolitical reasons for his actions, the person directly responsible for Heyer's death, likely not. Don't push the media narrative about Charlottesville and eeevil white people. A handful of dumb-ass nazi-adjacent fucks is not the existential threat academia and media have been selling.
The sad fact that you think certification would not have happened if not done in that hour is amazing rationalization in support of political prosecution.
Well they were committing insurrection because their goal was to interrupt or disrupt a government function, right? So they were feloniously attempting to destroy democracy.
I here it's Ok if you're wearing a pink hat, if the person you are protesting is Trump or one of his nominee's like Kavanaugh.
Also Ok to actually take over an area like in Seattle and Atlanta if your cause is social justice. Make sure its the right kind though.
It's ok if The Party approves.
If not...
So this is how it is now? Any political march is going to be compared to J6? I'm surprised nobody has invoked a prayer to Saint Babbitt.
Trumpaloos have gone full retard.
When people who were trespassing are accused of terrorism and charged with felonies, we're going to point out that there's a double standard of outrage for other trespassers, yes.
Because well it is comparable.
Seriously? Marching on Main Street is comparable to causing the evacuation of a federal building? Are you high?
Are you ignorant of all the actual facts with the repeated violence, shooting a cop, harassing employees at their houses, vandalism, etc?
Before opining on a topic, try to learn the subject matter. Should they be charged as terrorists? Probably not. But they haven't been non violent unlike 600 of the 900 charged for J6.
One of my goals is to show that power-lusting Trumptards slobber over the prospect of getting MOAH POWAH for themselves, at ANY costs! Ethics, principles, people, law and order, a decent future for most people… ALL can and WILL be sacrificed for MOAH POWAH for Trumpturds!
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709 also https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/04/28/michael-fanone-trump-gop-riots/
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
Well, rather punish the lawbreakers, instead of having them grab your gun, so that they can "kill you with your own gun"!
What happened to the "back the blue" and "lawn odor" wings of "Team R" anyway?
PS, mob violence and mob property destruction are both always wrong... Except when MY Tribe does it! Think Boston Tea Party!
Me? Given my druthers, I'd rather have the thugs steal my TV and my expensive sneakers, than steal my democracy! My TV can be easily replaced! Democracy? Not so sure about THAT one!
You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Arthur King," you and all your silly English K-nig-hts.
Literally zero of these people were arrested for marching down Main Street. They weren't on Main Street when they were arrested, they were blocking the site where construction is set to begin (or has already begun, perhaps, I don't know the timeline).
That's my fucking point!
What's the difference between race-baiters turning every instance of cop violence into an instance of racist oppression, and the J6 crybabies making every instance of civil protest into an instance of partisan oppression.
Seems to me that the J6 crybabies have taken every play from the race-baiter playbook.
"How dare you comment on this without denouncing that? The fact that you didn't denounce that while talking about this means you totally support that! You support that! That supporter! He's a that supporter!"
Fill in the blanks. Same logic. No integrity. No intellectual honesty. No morals. No ethics. No respect from me.
You are terrible at arguments. Stop rationalizing how you've applauded political prosecutions.
There are two extremes: over-reaction to 1/6, and helping the many many mostly peaceful Burn Loot Murder riots.
You don't get to pretend they are not bookends to government corruption.
"You don’t get to pretend they are not bookends to government corruption."
Agreed, in spades! Just ass long ass certain assholes will FINALLY acknowledge that calling "all votes not for MEEE are fraudulent"-type lies, are NOT deadly-to-freedom-and-democracy LIES!!!
https://www.salon.com/2021/04/11/trumps-big-lie-and-hitlers-is-this-how-americas-slide-into-totalitarianism-begins/
Trump’s Big Lie and Hitler’s: Is this how America’s slide into totalitarianism begins?
The above is mostly strictly factual, with very little editorializing. When I post it, the FACTS never get refuted… I only get called names. But what do you expect from morally, ethically, spiritually, and intellectually bankrupt Trumpturds?
Totalitarians want to turn GOP into GOD (Grand Old Dicktatorshit).
Der TrumpfenFuhrer ***IS*** responsible for agitating for democracy to be replaced by mobocracy!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/trump-election-warnings-leaving-office/index.html
A list of the times Trump has said he won’t accept the election results or leave office if he loses.
Essential heart and core of the LIE by Trump: “ANY election results not confirming MEEE as Your Emperor, MUST be fraudulent!”
September 13 rally: “The Democrats are trying to rig this election because that’s the only way they’re going to win,” he said.
Trump’s constant re-telling and supporting the Big Lie (any election not electing Trump is “stolen”) set up the environment for this (insurrection riot) to happen. He shares the blame. Boys will be boys? Insurrectionists will be insurrectionists, trumpanzees gone apeshit will be trumpanzees gone apeshit, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Trump was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
It really should immediately make us think of Krystallnacht. Hitler and the NAZIs set up for this by constantly blaming Jews for all things bad. Jew-haters will be Jew-haters, so let’s forgive and forget? Poor Hitler was misunderstood? Does that sound good and right and true?
Anyone want the honor of refuting this guy? My kitchen needs a cleanup.
Youre right. Nobody shot at cops on J6. They did in Atlanta.
Huh, looked at some of the photos of the political march. I think there was a little more going on than just marching.
On top of that the protestors charged were threatening workers at both their place of business and at their homes. It wasn't just a March.
The photos are a bit of a red herring. There were no arrested at the march. It's relevant because the marchers are supporting the same cause, but the arrests were unrelated to any march.
Any political march is going to be compared to J6?
No, people are going to demand consistent standards. I know you'd prefer to have one set of standards for rightthinkers and another for those awful deplorables. But, I think people are absolutely right to throw it right in your (and Lancaster's) face. The very essence of rule of law is that the law applies to everybody. If it's alright to deny the rights of one set of protesters, you probably shouldn't be too surprised when your cries of injustice are laughed at when they're ignored for protesters you approve of.
Of there is one consistency the last few years it is of Sarc being a hypocrite. He has openly mocked the death of Babbitt and supported the J6 prosecutions.
It is sobering to think a person has that perspective. Well, sobering may not be the appropriate word here for reasons you understand.
For sarc, if the commentary points it out, he is against it.
We should start actively promoting that he get shitfaced every morning.
Colt 45, Boone's Farm, or another cheap beverage?
Why does it have to be cheap? C’mon. If you’re going to imagine me getting drunk every day, you could at least let your imaginary me drink decent booze.
Allen’s Coffee Brandy with a spritz of Moxie?
Thanks. Now I’m going to have nightmares. Just imagining either one, let alone together. Barf.
OK, Goldschlager, Crown Royal?
I said decent. Not overpriced crap. Maybe some good bourbon on clear ice?
You think those brands are overpriced? How poor are you?
How poor is he?
He is so poor that he had to save up to pay someone a penny for their thoughts.
Dude, people pay me for my thoughts. And with inflation I charge a nickel.
They expect to get a dime back in change.
Dude. I'm comparing what the people did, not their politics.
No you aren't. You're ignoring all the actual violence that occurred in Atlanta, thinking it was a single march. Yet for non violent j6 paraders you supported up to 20 year sentences.
It doesn’t take a 5th grade intellect to see not only the disparity in the reaction, but in the tone of the coverage.
Calling anyone who sees or mentions it a Trumpaloo may be why so many people here give you shit.
Haha let the hypocrisy begin. Are they being held in solitary without bail?
And yet no mention in the article of comparison to J6. Reason idiots!
While mentioning J6 would give Reason the opportunity ti gaslight Trump some more, they would be in the uncomfortable position to wrote about Babbitt who they chose to mostly ignore.
They don't mentionJ6. Note even Volokh. Nick doesn't allow it I guess?
When standing firmly on principle in the wake of a violent BLM/Antifa riot, it's best to avoid comparisons to J6 altogether.
Pretty sure that most of the people still being held in DC jail for going on 2 years now were nonviolent protesters too.
I didn't read the article. Was there any mention of the acquittal of the anti-abortion protester who pushed a guy who was harassing his kid? He was facing a potential eleven year sentence, and even the FedJudge questioned whether the defendant's actions met the criteria for conviction under the statute.
Nope.
That protestor showed a lot more self-control than I would have in that situation. Anyone threatening my kids is basically begging me to snap his neck.
Just incredible. J-6 protesters have been held for months in solitary confinement for "parading". A doctor who attempted to treat the unarmed and mortally wounded Ashli Babbit, before being dragged off by government thugs, was just arrested a few days ago for "parading". But the only mention these people get in Reason is when the writers slander them as insurrectionists and election deniers. Reason has zero credibility on the issue of free speech or civil rights. Zero. So fuck off Joe.
It's long term trespassing on government property *and* actual no shit violence from the protesters.
It's basically J6 times 9/11 but we're not supposed to call these people terrorists?
I was never good at algebra but that sounds pretty bad.
You have to have a large multiplier for J6 violence, because anything less comes out to very little.
J6! needs an exclamation point to make it a factorial.
I thought the exclamation point made it into a musical.
I'll need a calculator.
Sandra (OBL) put it best: #1/6WasWorseThan9/11.
""It’s basically J6 times 9/11"'
J = 0.136?
No cigar.
.0000136
sarc: 40 of 45
Squirrel: 230
Pluggo: less than 14
Mike: cite?
LOL!
Tony: postmodern
Forty fucking two you fucknut.
Two 40s of 45?
Hey, did Colt 45 ever respond to your letter requesting they make an 80-ouncer?
How long did you get away with beating your wife?
Dear Colt 45,
I am writing to thank you for being in my life.
When I was in middle school, and times were rough, you comforted me. Then in high school, when my friends stopped hanging out with me, you stuck around. After I got my GED, and those old friends moved on to bigger and better things such as getting a job and waking up before noon, you never left my side.
I have a request. While I like your product in the 40 ounce bottles, I only have two hands. Sometimes I get so shitfaced that I can’t find my way back to the fridge. Please consider making an 80 ounce bottle.
Your friend,
- sarc
You’ll get on the list with great posts like these.
Hey, if it's good enough for a suave motherfucker like Billy Dee Williams, it's good enough for me.
That still makes me laugh far more than I should. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
OK, I guess I'm probably making the list now.
You only think it's funny because you can relate to it. Not sure which parts resonate with you, and I like it that way. Keep your personal problems personal.
I think it's kinda lame. Malt liquor is nasty enough cold. Who could stomach that much of it warm? Not even realistic.
I think he was making a Hitchhiker's Guide reference
I think sarc could do 42 40s of 45 in a weekend.
The answer to life, the universe, everything, and getting totes bombed till Monday morning.
If he were housed in a HALF MILLION DOLLAR HOME, he surely could triumph.
+ 1 Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
https://twitter.com/LeighWolf/status/1620744921241251842?t=ztn9NNEyhorsC5Z0rp1okQ&s=19
The damage done to the credibility of AI by ChatGPT engineers building in political bias is irreparable.
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From the comments
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays
There’s definitely something to be explored here. There are multiple examples of this type of thing in ChatGPT, and I’ve reproduced several (with transcripts) for myself. This goes back to kind of what Matt Taibbi said about Hamilton68– if you say you have a magic box that can calculate ‘x’, then the first question I’m going to ask is “how does your magic box work?”
I’m honestly curious… from a pure technology standpoint HOW ChatGPT comes to these endpoints. How does it claim one thing for one question (I can’t make moral judgements) and then make a moral judgement on the exact same question, but with a different subject (in this case, Joe Biden)? Like what was the pathway of reasoning?
ChatGPT is an amazing language processing tool. But it clearly operates from a questionable starting point, especially when it comes to topics of political interest. This is kind of why I’m hesitant to describe ChatGPT as an ‘AI’. It seems to be a very good language processing tool that… in some way just regurgitates what’s been fed into it… and seemingly has hard filters to not regurgitate things that might be perfectly reasonable to one person, but unreasonable to another.
In the example above, the first answer– refusing to write a poem on the virtues of Donald Trump is actually the reasonable answer. But then it produces a long, heartfelt and sincere poem on the virtues of Joe Biden. It’s very weird, and I think the creators need to start providing some explanations.
and seemingly has hard filters to not regurgitate things that might be perfectly reasonable to one person, but unreasonable to another.
And by 'unreasonable to another' I mean ‘unreasonable to the creators of ChatGPT’.
All AI is trained from data sets. So human bias exists in the training.
That ode to Joe Biden comes across as pure contemptuous irony.
I'd rather do a haiku to Joe Biden. *clears throat*
Fuck you Joe Biden
You are the worst President
Fuck off Joe Biden
There once was a sarc from Nantucket,
When shitfaced would puke in a bucket,
Libertarian far from,
Thinks ideas are so dumb,
When called on his shit he will duck it.
Thanks. It's always cute when people project themselves onto me like that. I didn't know you were from Nantucket. Though you already said you live in Lewiston. You are good at ducking. I'll give you that.
I’m not from Mass, regular or northern. I was guessing you are from Lewiston or nearby. Why I referenced visiting a chef there that didn’t know how to make a Cuban sammich.
But above and beyond that there are hard coded rules to prevent non-woke answers.
Right, those are the hard filters I alluded to above.
If it relies totally on its dataset and can't stretch beyond that, then it's not an AI.
Joe Biden?
That's the answer I got when I typed in Gee Your Hair Smells Terrific. Then it made the sound of a flute hitting the floor and feet running into the distance.
How is anything they did terrorism?
They showed up at employees houses at 2am to harass them and vandalize their property. It isnt just peaceful marching.
They always charge at the top level to start the plea bargain or who wants to turn on their friends for immunity or a better deal, and lump everyone in together until things get sorted out. Anyone who tries to thread the needle, like this article suggests, should be fired.
Hey Joe, why did you leave out that the protestors targeted here were going to the homes of construction employees to threaten and vandalize them?
https://www.atlantanewsfirst.com/2022/05/18/family-home-wrongfully-targeted-atlanta-pd-protestors-accused/
Mostly peaceful vandalism.
Is property destruction really violence? We seem to be stretching the term 'violence' here.
Bin Laden started his criminal career by spray painting penises on street signs. True story.
Just not Allah's.
Authorities were perplexed whether the tagging beneath the cock and balls was Arabic or just an attempt to add curly pubic hair.
And why was the turban on the bottom and not the top?
More violence than at J6 for the most part.
And it is violence if done at 2am to ensure a change of behaviors, just like the KKK cross burnings. It is a threat of violence in the future.
All I'm saying is, if antifa and BLM throw rocks through your windows, and light your house on fire, if everyone gets out safely, was that really "violence"?
We're not talking about a guy in a bear costume standing in the rotunda. We're just talking about your house burning down. Some perspective is in order here.
Out of 19 suspects arrested on terrorism charges, at least nine are accused of nothing more serious than trespassing.
Come on, it's not like they were parents voicing their opinions at a school board meeting or something.
Reason providing aid and comfort to leftist terrorists?
Shocking!
No one on the Left (or on this website) showed concern over how peaceful protestors from the January 6th event were charged with felonies and treated as terrorists. It should be no surprise that, having seen it work once, police elsewhere adopt the strategy.
So you're saying people who trespass to protest on public land shouldn't be charged with treason or treated like terrorists then?
You know who else's demo trespassing (Or was it?) is being called terrorism?
Paul Pelosi's *checks notes* attacker?
Jinx!
Nancy Pelosi’s husband’s male lover?
In what world are they a non-violent group? They have literally used Molatov Cocktails. They also are unabashed Marxist revolutionaries.
If you ask them if they actually want a revolution and the US government to be overthrown in favor of socialism, they will gladly tell you how enthusiastically they support it.
So by every measure they are actual terrorists (what failed revolutionaries are usually labelled these days)
You can argue that their revolution is a morally justified one (personally I don't agree), but you can't argue that a government has no right to try and stop revolutionaries from revolutioning.
Overcharging trespassers with felonies? Before reading the comments, I think I can guess what many of those comments will be about...
Do you object to us calling out the current administration and the press for double standards?
The white cops that murdered Tyre Nichols had some of the best blackface I've ever seen. Whoever did their makeup should be hired to do makeup for movies. They truly looked black.