If China Invades, Taiwan Shouldn't Count on U.S. Support
Compared to Russia, war with China is a deeper nightmare.

It was inevitable that U.S. military and economic support for Ukraine's self-defense against Russia would spark comparisons to our relationship with Taiwan. Each country is not exactly a U.S. ally but is unquestionably friendly, relatively democratic, and endangered by one of just two remotely plausible challengers for the title of global superpower.
"China is watching what we do in Ukraine," Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D–Conn.) said on CNN in August, arguing that expanded U.S. aid to fight Moscow could double as a warning to Beijing: If we back Ukraine to the hilt, perhaps Taiwan will never need the same help.
There is no denying that Beijing is watching. But we—and, more important, Taipei—should be wary of overdrawing this comparison. For all the similarities, there are real differences here, and the war in Ukraine itself remains a live factor in how the U.S. would respond to a Chinese attack on Taiwan. The most prudent assumption is that Taiwan remains its own best defender, whatever U.S. support for Ukraine might suggest.
Perhaps the most significant difference between these two situations is that between China and Russia. While both are formidable nuclear-armed international rivals to the U.S., Russia is a declining power with an ill-equipped and outdated military that has been forced to conscript old men in its war against a smaller, poorer country. It has a defense budget one-tenth of America's and a gross domestic product (GDP) smaller than Italy's. Despite the self-sabotage of its zero-COVID policies, China remains a rising power with an expanding military, a defense budget around a third of the Pentagon's, and the second-largest GDP in the world. Russia's nuclear arsenal poses a more serious threat, but China's growing stockpile could still do much damage.
If we must dabble in the absurd horror of ranking great-power conflicts, war with China is the deeper nightmare. In a 2022 Taiwan war game run by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the U.S. prevailed over Beijing, but only at a terrible cost. According to a Military Times report on the exercise, a U.S. military defense of Taiwan against a Chinese invasion "would likely devolve into brutal large-scale combat neither nation has seen in decades" and entail casualties that would be "historic by any modern measure."
Then there are the less tangible distinctions. Would Taiwan receive the broad and consistent compassion from the U.S. public that Ukraine has? How many Americans would hang Taiwan's flag on their porches and businesses? Soon after Moscow's invasion, some claimed white Americans and Europeans cared only because Ukrainians are racially and culturally similar to them. That claim, while overblown, was not groundless, and we know from psychological research that our brains have in-group bias: Americans' ethnic and cultural distance from Taiwan could have political consequences.
President Joe Biden's verbal recklessness regarding Taiwan could be a relevant difference too. With Ukraine, Biden has clearly stated that the U.S. "will not be directly engaged in this conflict" and does not seek regime change in Moscow. By contrast, he has four times committed the United States to fight on Taiwan's behalf, contradicting longstanding U.S. policy and raising Beijing's ire. Those statements could inspire new caution in the next administration, making the U.S. less inclined to respond to a Chinese attack than it otherwise would be.
Depending on Beijing's timing, Washington might also be restrained by a long-term conflict in Ukraine. We do not know when or how this war will end, and there is no sign that the West's vision of a contrite and retreating Russia is anywhere near being realized.
In November, the Biden administration reportedly began encouraging both Ukraine and Russia to signal openness to negotiation. That outreach and Biden's public specification of limits on the U.S. role in Ukraine show an impulse toward prudence. But neither is evidence of any concrete plan to keep Ukraine from becoming a new forever war by proxy for the United States.
That, too, could have consequences for Taiwan. The very war that provides a model of U.S. support might make that support less feasible. Understandably, leaders in Taipei hope Washington will do for them what it has done for Kyiv. But they'd be rash to count on it.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Taiwan Shouldn't Count on U.S. Support."
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The Military Industrial Complex will press its finger on the scale and likely compel the US to participate in defending even more territory that is not part of the United States. The few Americans paying more taxes than what is provided back will get stuck with the tab.
Non-interventionism. Those wanting to aid Zelensky are free to head there and sign up for cannon fodder duty.
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Non-interventionism. Those wanting to aid Zelensky are free to head there and sign up for cannon fodder duty.
I've seen some Youtube videos of valiant Ukrainian soldiers fighting the Russkies and... lot of people speaking totally 100% American English, so I would submit that someone HAS headed there and signed up. But it's possible they're only advisors.
Have seen a few too. One YT content provider volunteered and went door to door in Donbas at the same time war crimes had been committed where he was serving.
Telegram has a few channels that report when foreign mercenaries are calibrated along with corroborating photo and video evidence. I believe there have been a few that came home on their shield.
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I initially figured Ken was over there making the world safe for Zelensky style democracy. Then I realized he must be deep cover in Moscow plotting the assassination of Putin.
Ken W. Shulz is spending his time as admin at NeoKenservatives dot com.
I wish him well. Maybe he would do better at that than explaining how a Free Market exists in the non-Sapient Animal Kingdom. I'm still scratching my head over that one.
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We don't have to do shit. That's what out Maker/Contributor Blue State tax dollars are for.
We should also send the current subsidies we waste on the Moocher/Taker Red States to the Ukraine, so that Conservatives can accept personal responsibility for their lifestyle decision of voting for failed Conservative socioeconomic policies.
So Bonnie, what percent of semiconductors (esp. advanced semiconductors) used by America are currently produced by Taiwan? Yeah, north of 50%. Guess what, the supply of semiconductors is actually a vital US national interest.
Until we are much closer to self sufficiency in semiconductor supply, our hands are tied. I don’t think there is any question we’d go toe to toe with the Red Dragon if they attempted an invasion. I also think there is an even money chance we’d lose, because we don’t have politicians who will see things through.
I don't doubt US military capacity and allies military capacity; I do doubt our leaders have the balls to see it through (they're inept).
Exactly. Taiwan is a strategic partner, Ukraine is not.
A huge difference is that Ukraine is large and has long borders with several countries and people and war materials can move easily in or out of Ukraine. Taiwan is an island, so all supplies must come by air or sea, a much more daunting situation. This is also a challenge for a Chinese invasion, of course. The nature of the war would be very, very different. China has been aggressively building their navy, which is reported to be larger than the US navy.
The best way to defend Taiwan is to station numerous surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missiles there. We haven't done that. Ships floating nearby can be easily sunk, so these must be land-based.
Let's hope it doesn't happen.
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We'll just buy Ukrainian chips.
I have to believe the computing power of silicon is far greater than that of potato.
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I'm too busy right now for up to date research; how many landing craft do the Communist Chinese have?
If we assume that they would prefer to capture the industrial giant rather then just blow it up, they have to come by sea. The best way to stop an invasion is to attack the landing craft, not the infantry.
Massive numbers will work, but the damage is horrific. Imagine D-day taking place in the industrial center of France instead of the Normandy countryside.
There's enough container ships traveling between Taiwan and China to meet the need. Zero need for landing craft. Think Dunkirk (in reverse) instead of Normandy.
I like this guy's videos, though he gets a lot of flack in the comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEHQjbEEcg8
Fifth columnists, infiltrators, elite assassination squads - decapitate Taiwan leadership that wants to fight and take out command and control centers, air bases. No need for a D-Day type scenario.
There's three problems. One, A2/AD. Two, air superiority. Three, stopping landing craft when you don't have the first two. Taiwan keeps making deals with Washington and oftentimes that involves tanks. Sure, tanks can stop landing craft but they're much better after the enemy has landed to fight other tanks which is basically an admission that a landing can't be stopped. The first two problems need to be solved so the tanks become a thing you use to keep the masses in line - see Tiananmen square.
The Taiwanese are developing a series of indigenous submarines, assisted by the Japanese. They have already made a lot of progress and these boats will replace their very old diesel subs. They should be pretty close to the launch of the first in this class and the Chinese have to know that they have a limited window to invade before they have to deal with this new threat.
The British navy couldn't stop the Germans from invading Norway. And the Brits had naval superiority. China can do this.
So if we care about the freedom of the Taiwanese people, or about their economic output, let's relocate them. Moving them all, along with some critical hard goods, would be cheaper and logistically easier than war with China.
Now, where should we put them?
Martha's Vineyard?
Puerto Rico? 2:1 says they could make it far better off than it currently is. Provided we make PR independent.
Palestine. It is a peaceful, open area where nobody would have an issue with perceived or actual resettlement.
Always the subtle wit, eh? 🙂
Ukraine is a proxy war against Russia. If Ukraine loses there's no strategic impact to the US. If Ukraine wins there's a big strategic impact to Russia. We're just using Ukraine to degrade Russia's military.
Taiwan is strategically important to the US. It's our chip manufacturing center. Lose that and we lose the ability to manufacture our advanced weapons. We lose silicon valley. We lose our tech sector.
If Ukraine wins against the much larger power of Putin, it can be a green light for the citizens of Taiwan to arm up and prepare for anything Emperor Xi may have planned. It's all of a single piece.
seems like Taiwan is entirely more important to US than Ukraine, but I'm no Biden, so ...
Biden has clearly stated that the U.S. "will not be directly engaged in this conflict" and does not seek regime change in Moscow.
Biden DID call for regime change in Moscow. He absolutely 1587% did.
Yes, Biden did indeed do so.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/27/bidens-russian-regime-change-call-is-a-symbol-of-his-foreign-policy-follies/
President Joe Biden wants Russian President Vladimir Putin gone. “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.” Those are his words.
US forces if entering the Ukraine conflict would be faced not with 3rd world militaries but threats, we have not dealt with since WW2. Air Superiority is not a given. the US army has not fought a large conventional war since Korea. A draft would have to be called (and watch all those Ukrainian flags disappear overnight).
American soldiers on Russian soil is the nuclear Rubicon.
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We have nuclear torpedoes. If China sends an invasion fleet nuke it.
Suicide
War against China in order to defend Taiwan constitutes suicide. Firstly, these United States are in weak position to fight a war on one-front, for example, the proxy-war in Ukraine against Russia, let alone a war on two-fronts, for example, adding China.
Secondly, according to a study by the University of Sydney in Australia, the consequence of going to war against China will be the sinking of our surface fleet in the Western Pacific within hours. After such a humiliating defeat, where will these United States be as an international power?
Moreover, given Biden's seemingly treasonous dealings with China, dare he go to war against China? It would seem not.
For further discussion, visit . . .
https://www.nationonfire.com/crisis-or-conspiracy/ .
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The US Pacific Fleet would do much better than you think. That said, there is no "old world grudge" the US foreign policy elites have with China. China didn't issue pogroms on their ancestors in Russia like the Czar did. Putin is the Czar to these folks hence their obsession with two corrupt weak eastern European countries that have zero strategic interest to the US.
Sorry. A bunch of hooded nightriders with shotguns in shrimp boats wouldn't do anybody any good.
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The larger strategic game on the table is the imminent collapse of the petrodollar and the end of USD reserve currency status. Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, India, and a growing number of countries are openly developing trading mechanisms that do not require holding dollars. The neocon crusade for western hegemony including the confiscation of Russian dollar assets, has put the world on notice that the USD is now a weapon of war. Whatever the size of our military, with 31 trillion in debt the US is by any rational measure bankrupt. When the rest of the world stops buying dollars we won't be able to afford one war let alone two.
But, but, but, Biden wants to end fossil fuels. Who needs a petrodollar when fossil fuels are dead? Biden has it all in hand.
Wait, why does that look like a straight razor in his hand and why does it appear he's holding it to Uncle Sam's throat?
Good question on why the entire US foreign policy elites and the Democratic party lemmings went all in on a war between two corrupt irrelevant eastern European powers. Just listened to Lex Fridman who had a history prof discuss the civil war. He defined himself as Jewish and said the current leader of Russia , Mr. Putin was like the Czar and something about pograms like the Czar had on Jews in Ukraine (made no sense but whatever). I mean seriously the guy said this. Why is this important? I good number of senior foreign policy elites, media elites and Biden Admin security elites are Jewish with ancestry from that area. they view Russia from the perspective of their history. Putin is the Czar..the Czar attacked my people. A very human reaction. But this "old world grudges" thing is not in the interest of the United States any more than Iraq or Libya was (both pushed by foreign policy elites with an axe to grind). The leader of Ukraine being Jewish solidifies in their mind the war against the modern Czar is a noble effort. People personalize foreign policy...even at Harvard and think tanks..
Guess they just ignore the Stepan Bandera worshipping by the Kiev loyalists.
Given the abject failure of deterrence that started with Carter's incompetent handling of the goatfucker regime's attack on the US embassy in Tehran, it would be only prudent for any country in reach of the CCP's military to acquire nukes, pronto.
The CCP has no regard for the safety of their own people of course, but if attacking Taiwan meant losing Beijing under a mushroom cloud, they're not likely to try it.
-jcr
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