Review: Post-Roe America Is Unlikely To Resemble the One Seen in The Janes
An underground network in Chicago helped women terminate thousands of pregnancies amid abortion prohibition.

From 1968 to 1973, when abortion was illegal in Illinois and most other states, an underground network in Chicago helped women terminate some 11,000 pregnancies, offering a safer and more affordable alternative to the services sold by local mobsters. The HBO documentary The Janes, which tells that organization's story, is a timely reminder of the potential fallout from criminalizing abortion, which the Supreme Court allowed states to do when it overturned Roe v. Wade in June 2022.
The situation now is different in two crucial ways from the one women confronted before the Court discovered a constitutional right to abortion. First, abortion remains broadly legal in most states. Second, the availability of abortion pills means that traveling to clinics in other states is not the only option for women seeking to end unwanted pregnancies.
Thanks to those alternatives, the impact of Roe's reversal is apt to be less dramatic than the casualties described in The Janes. Until 1973, the documentary notes, Cook County Hospital maintained a "septic abortion ward" to deal with the grisly and sometimes deadly consequences of botched DIY or black-market surgeries.
In other respects, the current situation does resemble the one that inspired the Janes. After New York legalized abortion in 1970, the group's clientele was skewed toward women who could not afford to travel there. The burdens of today's abortion bans likewise fall disproportionately on women of modest means, and pro-choice activists are once again trying to ameliorate those burdens. Their efforts to arrange and subsidize out-of-state abortions and access to mifepristone will reinforce the practical limits those options impose on legislators who try to revive the restrictions of the pre-Roe era.
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https://reason.com/2022/07/19/idaho-state-gop-says-abortion-should-be-illegal-even-when-used-to-save-a-womans-life/
Idaho State GOP Says Abortion Should Be Illegal, Even When Used To Save a Woman's Life
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It would be nice if there was any small bit of regret or remorse in this article about 11,000 abortions happening over a handful of years. Instead it's about hero worship of the abortionists and quibbling over whether the laws will make it happen again.
Honestly, from the opening of the article I couldn't help but think they were highlighting a genocide perpetuated by a small number of people. Even abandoning my own sentiments about abortion, it feels insane to describe this as a good thing
"R" Party is Our Party is the GOOD party! The Party of the Sex Pistols and the Sex Postals, with which you may R-Party-ON, and go Sex Postal with your Sex Pistol, and rape or deceive ALL the young babes, your "binders full of young women", whose binders bind them to be womb-slaves, and then MAKE them carry to term, their Sacred Fartilized Egg Smells! All Hail the Every Sperm Which Is Sacred!
Black women in the USA today get abortions at a high rate… “the abortion rate for black women is almost five times that for white women”, from https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2008/08/abortion-and-women-color-bigger-picture . (Hispanics are intermediate here FYI). I’ll get back to this momentarily…
Say the following (which I regard to be true) and many conservatives will immediately agree: We can be OUTWARDLY “compassionate” while harming people. Minimum wages and rent controls come to mind! Of COURSE we are compassionate when we mandate higher pay and lower rent! Yet if we do these kinds of things to ANY significant degree, we “dry up” many of both the available low-wage jobs and the available apartments! Now go be jobless and homeless, ye victims of our “compassion”! Because businesses and landlords don’t want to lose money! Plain and simple!
Then WHY can’t conservatives see the similar dynamic when trying to be “compassionate” with other peoples’ wombs? Sure, we all love babies! But what happens to the victims, not just of “Lying Lothario”, but also of birth-control failures, and of genetic and developmental (in-the-womb) defects? “The rich will get richer, and the poor will have children”! More non-wage-earning babies and children in a family is a straight, unadulterated input contributing to poverty! It’s not what most people desire or admire, sure, but abortion is backup birth control. Our new USA move towards outlawing more and more abortions, in more states, will aggravate poverty among the poor, Blacks, and Hispanics, who can’t afford to travel for abortions, as easily as richer Whites can. We’ll be thwarting the “demographic transition” (https://populationeducation.org/what-demographic-transition-model/#:~:text=The%20Demographic%20Transition%20Model%20(DTM,as%20that%20country%20develops%20economically ) for poor residents of the USA! The rich yank the ladder out from the grasp of the could-be-climbing poor, with abortion laws, just as they do with minimum wages, rent controls, and excessive job-licensing laws!
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THE “LYING LOTHARIO” PROBLEM: Well, a lot of pro-lifers are men, and I would bet that even those pro-lifers who are women? Very few of them have found themselves in the following shoes: Lying Lothario endlessly says “Love ya, babe, Love-ya, Love-ya, Love-ya, NOW can I get down your pants?” After she falls for him and he gets her pregnant, the abuse (from him) begins, and she finds out that he has 7 other “Love-ya, Babe, my One and Only” babes on the side, 4 of them also pregnant by him! So abortion is “veto power” against scumbucket men. If these behavioral genes get passed on and on, humans will evolve into something like elephant seals, where the men most skilled at lying and fighting off the other lying men, get a harem of 40 babes, and the rest of the men get nothing (other than caring for the resulting babies)! So abortion is empowering women to fight off this sort of thing… And reserve their baby-making powers for men who are less lying scum, and will actually make good fathers to the children. (Hershel Walker is THE Hero of the Lying Lothario these days!)
So they want to “capitally punish” the “offenders” (abortion-providing doctors, so as to “dry up” the sources for safe abortions), while they have never been in the above-described (lied-to female) shoes! Willfully blind self-righteousness, basically…
Or maybe some of the anti-abortion men fantasize and lust after being the elephant-seal-like men who can gather the baby-making powers of a harem of 40 lied-to women, under the new scheme of things?
I am glad that SOME you oppose theft. Theft by deception is also theft; I hope you can see that! When a severely lying Lothario-type dude (as described above) appropriates the baby-making powers of a deceived young woman, that, too, is theft! Abortion is anti-theft, when a deceived woman no longer wants to rent out her womb to a deceptive scumbag, prospective god-awful supposed "father" of a sperm donor!
Those who are anti-abortion unmarried men should be out there desperately courting women who have already been deceived by scumbucket men, and volunteering to raise these unborn children (who are NOT your biological offspring), to fend off a HUGE root cause of abortion, and to put your money where your mouth is! And married anti-abortion men? Check with your wives; see if they mind you donating all of your spare time and money to helping out these future unmarried moms! THESE actions will relieve the pressures towards abortions!
Helping out pregnant women till the give birth, and then abandoning the support of said women (immediately or near-immediately post-birth), scarcely substitutes at ALL, for the loving support of a husband or father for 18 years, by the way!
Yes, there ARE fathers who magnanimously raise not-their-children, and do it well! God, Government Almighty, Allah, Zeus, Buddha, Jesus, etc., all please BLESS them, really and truly! And hopefully these fathers will teach their children NOT to be, or to welcome, “Lying Lothario”! Cultural as well as biological evolution can fend OFF the “Lying Lothario” problem! ALL methods need to be brought to bear; this is a SERIOUS problem here!
Abortions outlawed is a "pro-Lying-Lothario" measure, intended (or effectively intended) to turn humans into harem-fighting elephant seals! He who lies the BEST, and deceives the MOST women, into getting pregnant, WINS the genetic lottery! Meek and mild, honest men who would make good fathers? Well, WHO CARES about THEM?!?! (Or their interests in passing on their genes, which affect the behaviors of future generations?)
Are we not men? We are devolving! Devolving (especially if we ban abortions as “veto power” for lied-to mothers) into elephant-seal-like beasts, trampling the already-born babies underfoot and underfin, while fighting over mating rights, rather than looking to perform our duties as fathers!
I shared this comment and got this reply.
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- JutGlory
Somewhat shorter/better/more honest JutGlory:
"I was lied to by Lying Lothario, and I BELIEVED him! So then it is ALL MY FAULT! Also, maybe I actually WAS wearing a too-seductive wiggle in my butt, and my burka slipped a bit... My seductive HAIR was revealed! How can ANY man be expected to CONTROL HIMSELF in the face of such things!!! Woe is me, I have SINNED!!! (I shall PAY for my sins, and raise this child of mine, alone, for 18 years or more, as penitence.)"
Yeah, when did abortion become such a libertarian ideal?
When SOME libertarians started to see the long-term net-net damages done to society and individuals, by excessive self-righteousness!
"Team D"... Let us be compassionate with the money of OTHER people, because WE know better than THEY do! And WHO CARES about the damages that we inflict!
"Team R"... Let us be compassionate with the wombs of OTHER people, because WE know better than THEY do! And WHO CARES about the damages that we inflict!
Only killing will set us free!
Only killing will set us free of starvation, yes! Everything that we eat (except water, salt, and some minerals, from time to time) has been killed!
If we want to be at least SLIGHTLY virtuous, we would be Jain vegetarians...
Murdering plants and animals DELIBERATELY in order to EAT them stops beating hearts and flowing sap!!! STOPPING this utter MADNESS remains essential to establishing the universality of living-being rights!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism … Jain vegetarianism is the Truth and The Way!!! Eat ONLY fruits that have fallen from the tree, lest ye HURT the tree during the picking of the fruit! And do NOT eat the seeds! Eating seeds prevents new plants from being born!
(All of this deep disrespect for universal LIFE inherent in ALL belief systems excluding strict Jain vegetarianism is the root cause of ALL human evils, including genocide, bad haircuts, torture-rape, sloppy housekeeping, and necrophilia!)
NOTHING will get us there (to PROPER life-respect), short of the absolute worshit, not only of recently-fartilized egg smells, but also, of ALL living beings!!! From the cited article about the Jains and their MUCH higher standards than the rest of us, see…
“Strict Jains do not consume food that has been stored overnight, as it possesses a higher concentration of micro-organisms (for example, bacteria, yeast etc.) as compared to food prepared and consumed the same day.”
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I actually didn't get the impression of hero worship from Sullum. I did get the impression that the documentary engages in a bit of hero worship and Sullum's pushing back that it's objectively different now. I've made similar arguments in that modern feminists fallaciously acted, and act, like if abortion is banned somewhere women will be forced to die in alleyways with coathangers stuck in their wombs in large numbers (ignoring the advent of birth control, 'free' healthcare, and interstate transportation systems, untold other social and medical advances between then and now). Maybe I'm being unduly generous and/or projecting my sensibilities on Sullum's work.
That said, for reference, 11,000 deaths in 5 yrs. would represent approximately half of all deaths in Chicago of all causes during any 5 yr. period under Prohibition. So, whether you think The Chicago Outfit was utterly depraved and inhumanely reckless in murdering people out of convenience or perfectly pristine in only preventing clumps of cells from interfering with their lives and future prosperity under oppressive federal mandates, this network (as well as The Outfit it was undercutting) was *at least* an order of magnitude more prolific. Going back slightly further, you can effectively substitute "Typhoid *and* Measles *and* Scarlet Fever *and* Whooping cough" for The Chicago Outfit in any 5 yr. period 1870-~1905 to the same or similar effect.
Whether you think it's a collusive network of murder or simply a large number of cells succumbing to unfortunate circumstances outside anyone's (current) control, it's an awful lot of dead bodies to shrug and think "Meh." at, let alone say, "This should be unequivocally defended."
Progressivisism is the celebration of mental illness, murder and degeneracy.
Authoritarianism is the celebration of smug self-righteousness and an unquenchable thirst for POWER! Always MORE POWER over those inferior others!
Sounds like the motto of the Callous Coathanger Coalition
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The real tragedy is shown here: Power pigs defeat their own SUPPOSED objectives!!!!
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/05/27/1099739656/do-restrictive-abortion-laws-actually-reduce-abortion-a-global-map-offers-insigh “Do restrictive abortion laws actually reduce abortion? A global map offers insights” Answer: No, tighter laws do NOT reduce the number of abortions… They just make them harder to get, and more dangerous!
Answer: No, tighter laws do NOT reduce the number of abortions… They just make them harder to get, and more dangerous!
No matter what one thinks of the practice, I believe that to be horseshit. There's a reason these abortion networks were occurring inside megalopolises like London (19th Century) and Chicago etc. If the practice were entirely illegal, there are millions of people that live in rural and non-urban areas that aren't going to have roving networks of political activists providing 'underground' abortions. The idea that these millions of non-urban dwellers were getting their abortions at the exact same rate as when there was a legal abortion clinic in the next town over is dubious.
For example:
Egypt: abortion prohibited, full stop
Estimated abortions: N/A
Unintended Pregnancies: N/A
This is likely an extrapolation study.
For instance, you take a country like Laos, where it's prohibited completely, and the abortion rate is 34 per 1000. It would be interesting to see what the abortion rate would be if it were legalized.
And note that every statistic is (estimate).
I just think this was a shoddy study.
At least the study is honest:
† Estimates of abortions and unintended pregnancies are for the period 2015-2019 and have significant margins of error, especially in countries with restrictive laws.
That's right, where it's illegal, we have to just fudge the numbers really, really hard. So we went into the major cities where we could get a decent hotel, a good cup of coffee and awesome street food and asked around. Then we took that # of people, extrapolated it to the whole country, submitted our results to the think tank, then went out for drinks and an Asian massage.
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This reminds me of prohibition erra "grape juice concentrate" with the warning approximately "add to water and consume immediately, do not store in a dark place for 2 weeks as this may accidentally cause it to ferment".
Will we now see medications with a similar warning? Eg "take 1 pill only per day to prevent pregnancy, do not take more if you miss a day as X pills may cause a misscarrage in a pregnancy up to Y weeks duration".
Good question, and good memory of history!
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