Ignoring the Anti-McCarthy Faction's Avowed Goals, The New York Times Sees Only 'Chaos and Confusion'
The paper attributes the fight over the election of the next House speaker to "anti-establishment fervor" and a lust for "personal power."

What unites the Republicans who are resisting the election of Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R–Calif.), the former House minority leader, as speaker? According to a New York Times article published yesterday, it is their devotion to Donald Trump and his fantasy of a stolen presidential election. Yet today the Times noted that McCarthy's opponents were completely unfazed by the former president's endorsement of McCarthy and calls for Republican unity.
If this fight is not about Trump, what is it about? Unlike previous GOP "insurgent movements" that "aspired to change the vision of the party," Times reporters Lisa Lerer and Reid J. Epstein aver in a "news analysis," these rebels "are focused far more on their personal power." Lerer and Epstein attribute that characterization to "Republican critics," meaning supporters of a man who is desperately trying to maintain his own personal power.
The Times clearly shares the Republican establishment's dismay at the disruption caused by the 20 GOP legislators who have refused to support McCarthy. "After two days of chaos and confusion on the House floor," Lerer and Epstein say, "Republicans have made it abundantly clear who is leading their party: absolutely no one."
This distaste for the messiness of representative government blinds Lerer and Epstein to the possibility that actual disagreements about process and policy might be driving McCarthy's opponents. "With no unified legislative agenda, clear leadership or shared vision for the country," they write, "Republicans find themselves mired in intraparty warfare, defined by a fringe element that seems more eager to tear down the House than to rebuild the foundation of a political party that has faced disappointment in the past three national elections." They say "the anti-establishment fervor that accompanied [Trump's] rise to power" now threatens to "devour the entire party."
A quote from Karl Rove, "the Republican strategist who embodies the party's pre-Trump era," captures the main thrust of the piece. "The members who began this have little interest in legislating, but are most interested in burning down the existing Republican leadership structure," he says. "Their behavior shows the absence of power corrupts just as absolutely as power does."
I'm not sure what that means, but Rove is clearly appalled by the fact that 20 Republicans have declined to ratify the coronation of the presumptive heir to the House speaker's throne, instead insisting on an actual election. Lerer, Epstein, and their colleagues at the Times likewise seem shocked by that development.
"Of the more than 120 times since 1789 that the House has elected a new speaker, there have been only 14 instances in which the process required multiple ballots," Capitol reporter Catie Edmondson notes. "Every speaker since 1923 has been able to clinch the gavel after just one vote," Edmondson says, although she concedes that "there are precedents in the House's long history for the current disarray."
While the Times sees only "chaos," "confusion," and "disarray," McCarthy's opponents see an opportunity to achieve specific goals. As Reason's Eric Boehm notes, those goals include reducing the speaker's power by making his position less secure, increasing the ability of individual legislators to cut spending through amendments, and requiring a supermajority to approve earmarks on a case-by-case basis.
Former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.), whom no one would confuse with a MAGA Republican, sees merit in the rebels' complaints about the concentration of power in Congress, a situation he has frequently decried. "We have an oligarchy right now," Amash told Reason's Robby Soave. "It's the leaders of the parties in Congress, and it's the president of the United States. Those people are deciding everything."
In addition to procedural changes, Boehm notes, the anti-McCarthy faction is pursuing a "mixed bag" of policies, including "a balanced budget, passage of the Fair Tax Act (which would replace the federal income, payroll, and estate taxes with a national sales tax), [and] passage of a proposal crafted by Texas Republicans that aims to crack down on illegal immigration." These ideas may be good or bad, but there is nothing inherently unseemly about trying to advance them by leveraging the power to elect the speaker. And neither the procedural reforms nor the legislation the dissidents want amount to pursuing "personal power" for its own sake.
The Times ignores this substantive agenda, dismissing the rebels as cranks who are contradictorily driven by blind support for Trump (even as they defy his wishes), extreme conservatism, "anti-establishment fervor," and a lust for power. These legislators include "some of the chamber's most hard-right lawmakers,"Danielle Ivory, Charlie Smart, and reported yesterday. "Most denied the 2020 election, are members of the ultraconservative Freedom Caucus, or both."
Lending credence to Trump's wild claims about massive election fraud, whether sincerely or cynically, surely does not reflect well on a legislator. But there is nothing conservative about it. Nor does allegiance to Trump or obeisance to his whims signify a commitment to conservative principles, since the man himself does not seem to have any principles beyond his own self-interest. This article about "how far right" the anti-McCarthy Republicans are pays no attention to anything that might connect their ideological convictions to their actions.
To do that, you would need to look at their avowed goals, which combine fiscal conservatism, tax reform, concern about illegal immigration, and discontent with the way the House operates. Whatever you might think of those positions, they are obviously distinct from kowtowing to Trump, which McCarthy's opponents are manifestly not doing in this case.
"None of Mr. McCarthy's opponents reversed course after receiving calls from Mr. Trump encouraging them to do so," Lerer and Epstein note. If they are not in it for him, the Times suggests, they must be in it for themselves, because they cannot possibly be trying to accomplish what they say they are trying to accomplish—a proposition so absurd that it is not even worth considering.
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Ignoring the Anti-McCarthy Faction's Avowed Goals, The New York Times Sees Only 'Chaos and Confusion'
The paper attributes the fight over the election of the next House speaker to "anti-establishment fervor" and a lust for "personal power."
Well I guess we know what Jeff, White Mike, JFree and Brandybuck are going to be telling us in a few days.
(Sarcasmic won't have an opinion until someone repeats it on CNN)
Shrike's already told us his, and he was gloating about it in the Roundup thread.
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The irony being all of those posters have claimed they are for a parliamentary system to allow more parties. This is the outcome of that desire. Not sure they are intelligent enough to see that.
You are assuming they are honest to believe that.
We do not need a parliamentary system to allow more parties in congress...
If the biggest threat is that power is divided between 4, 5 or 6 parties making it harder to "Do something" then sign me up.
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>>interested in burning down the existing Republican leadership structure
zero problem with this. we don't do anointments
And that's not exactly a bad goal either. Enough of the GOPe. It's time for some change and some real differences with Democrats.
don't even know if McCarthy qualifies for GOPe but he seems to be the face of it right now
McCarthy is a swamp creature and has to be prevented from conducting a "business as usual" type of Congress. I am pissed by the rinos who have helped pass the omnibus spending bill as well. They too need to be thrown out of office.
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The Dems and their MSM henchmen have a hard enough time tolerating the existence of an "opposition" that's largely been reduced differentiating themselves via semantics rather than substance.
They're already clogging the memory holes at 620 Eighth Ave with all the reporting from the 2020 election in which Biden railed against trump's "barbaric" immigration policies and re-printing the archives with replacements about Joe calling for an expansion of trump's inadequate measures to keep those claiming to be asylum seekers on the Mexico side until their case comes before the judge sometime on the 12th of never. Such a shame, since the maintenance staff just got done clearing all the pipes from the purge of the stories about how trump's excessive focus on the vaccines to address Covid constituted a dereliction that screamed out for replacing the man.
If the 20 opponents are in it for personal power, what about the wannabe king maker, McCarthy? Is he not in it for personal power?
Or, how can 20 different individual unite for personal power when only one of them, at most, can attain that personal power? It's better odds than a lottery, it's better than 1 chance in 435, but it's a pretty weak motive, especially when they want more reps to join them, worsening the 1:20 odds considerably.
Is he not in it for personal power?
No. His motives are pure.
Yeh, as pure as the mud-washed snow outside.
Not mud if sqrsly is around.
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Kevin McCarthy has proven he's the perfect man to represent the Republican Party since he doesn't know how to win elections
https://twitter.com/JoelWBerry/status/1611066506875441159
Viewing the world through the filter of a left-authoritarian "progressive", is there any reason to put effort into anything that happens within government other than to increase one's own personal power?
They're projecting. The progs can't imagine any motivation for defying the Oligarchy other than personal lust for power, so they assume that's what this is about.
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Is that you, Hank?
The Times ignores this substantive agenda, dismissing the rebels as cranks who are contradictorily driven by blind support for Trump (even as they defy his wishes),
And this accusation is hardly new. They claim that there's a cult following of Trump, even though Trump is very pro-vaccine and many of his voters refused to get it. Somehow conservatives are a Trump-obsessed cult that doesn't do explicitly what their idol wants. It's called being completely out of touch, and projecting their own internal ideas onto the world.
Yeah, my favorite is how baffled NeverTrumpers get when conservatives don't actually go in lockstep with Dear Leader like they claim they should "bECAuSE it'S A cuLt."
That's not "how they see" the situation, that's the narrative they're pushing to the people who get all their news from network teevee and Twatter.
you want Sullum to be impervious to the narrative push but here we are
The two aren't mutually exclusive. Looking at the faction's goals is secondary thinking, and for most people even first order thinking is hard.
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Left doesn’t call everyone “fascist” just as an epithet. Fascists are the one group that ever successfully put down communist movements. Mussolini jailed Gramsci. Franco, Pinochet, etc. They call people fascists b/c effective rightwing backlash genuinely frightens them.
So anyone on the right who demonstrates any kind of effectiveness is going to be called a “fascist.” Think of the film Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, where emotionless aliens clone humans. Whenever they see real human, they let out high-pitched scream. The left says “fascist.”
The purpose of the term is to call everyone in at once to destroy the person, like the aliens do to real people. The RW person must be destroyed b/c he stands up for human nature, competence, hierarchy – all of which are mortal threats to the current state of affairs.
Democrats have said they would help the GOP out and vote for a sane Republican like David Joyce.
And Republican “leadership” being more willing to compromise with Democrats than with the GOP base is why we got Trump.
You mean the guy who continued increasing the public debt and started senseless trade wars with EU and Canada? The guy who wanted to use Post Office to go after a private company?
Hey karl, how are the EU and Canada looking these days as bastions of liberty? You deliberately ignore any context or reason to create a generic whine following the leftist liar playbook.
The Democrats definition of sanity doesn't often mesh with everyone else's.
True: McCarthy has a lust for personal power, and the 20 people opposing him have anti-establishment fervor.
Sounds good to me.
The country will do just fine if Congress deadlocks on this for another few days... or weeks.
A Reason piece questioning the morality of The NY Times? Careful, guys, who knows where this could lead.
Anyone who sees this as merely chaos doesn't understand democracy. Every vote gathering a clear majority is typical of authoritarian regimes, yet the Times loves that.
I'm sure the New York Fuckin' Times would just hate for that to happen. Keep pretending to clutch those pearls, shit heels!
Hardy a surprise the left-wing propaganda machine NY Times would criticize the GOP, or that leftist Reason would quote them.
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times
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“Hardy a surprise the left-wing propaganda machine NY Times would criticize the GOP, or that leftist Reason would quote them.”
It might be a surprise to you that leftist Reason was quoting in order to criticize the NY Times left-wing propaganda in this article though.
According to Media Bias/Fact Check, the NYT does indeed exhibit a center-left bias. Interestingly, according to the same source, Reason exhibits a center-right bias. Both sources, however, are rated "High" for factual reporting.
This is broadly the same as reported by Allsides.
However, you cite Allsides for one thing, and reject it for another (you assert that Reason is "leftist", yet Allsides says Reason "leans right").
What's your bias?
I'm not really sure what surprises you about the Times' take. It's a progressive media outlet. And progressivism, from its outset, has always been about the concentration of power in the hands of a technocratic Managerial Class and away from the hands of of messy, inefficient, voters or even more messy, inefficient, individuals*. Even the GOP leadership, at the end of the day, qualifies as part of that technocratic Managerial Class. Why would you think they'd be okay with a gang of un-cosmopolitan, retrograde upstarts taking power from the junior partners of their establishment, especially now that the junior partners are in power?
* And note, I'm not saying this to damn progressivism, per se. In theory I can understand the motivation and premise of the idea. If the idea is ugly, it's only because it inevitably winds up ugly in practice.
All Evangelicals, whether Christian or Socialist, see the individual as the source of all evil, and supreme power as the source of all good.
Jewish liberals at the Times..they despise conservatives, libertarians and pretty much anyone who doesn't agree with their cosmo marxist viewpoints. Old world grudges drive many of them...trapped in their socialist and secularist ways. They believe authoritarianism post modern style is "democracy."
I don't think it's about Jewish, per se. You'll find no shortage of people of all backgrounds down to Mayflower WASPs in the same camp. Oddly, I think it's a sort of twisted presumption of superiority, from those loudest to scream for egalitarianism, that drives their mindset.
If anyone doubted that our system is inferior to parliamentary ones, this fight is the best case.
Under a parliamentary system, the leadership has zero incentive to listen to dissents. Such members get ejected from the party, further strengthening the leadership.
The "Demands" of the "Terrible Twenty" hold-outs:
1) a balanced budget +++
2) passage of the Fair Tax Act +++
3) passage of a proposal crafted by Texas Republicans that aims to crack down on illegal immigration +/-
Overall, pretty good. I give it a positive score of 66%, which could go up depending on the particulars in goal #3.
Every looter politician since Jefferson has promised all that and reneged after the vote. God's Own Prohibitionist party wants to enslave women just like KKK Dems in 1923-1924 wanted to jail and lynch blacks.
"Every looter politician since Jefferson has promised all that and reneged after the vote."
"If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it." -- Mark Twain
You mean Twain was right?
If the Freedom Caucus wants a balanced budget, why don't they present a balanced budget, instead of an amendment "ordering" other people to balance the budget? If they want to cut entitlements, why don't they tell me by how much they're going to cut my Social Security check? It will not surprise me at all if they refuse, point blank, to raise the debt ceiling, ultimately pissing off Wall Street so much that the Biden administration will be able to get away with coining those trillion-dollar platinum coins we used to hear so much about. The NYT and the WSJ actually agree on this one. To quote the latter, "The problem any GOP leader faces today is that too many Republicans don’t really want to hold and keep political power. They’re much more comfortable in opposition in the minority, which is easier because no hard decisions or compromises are necessary. You can rage against “the swamp” without having to do anything to change it. This is the fundamental and sorry truth behind the Speaker spectacle and the performative GOP politics of recent years."
Because if you lock a balanced budget into the Constitution, the Democrats have to follow it too. If they merely present one, it will be amended to hell and back, and might not even work for one Congress, much less any subsequent Congresses.
You get a balanced budget when there are the votes for a balanced budget - not because you made a rule saying so, including even a Constitutional provision. We regularly see those ignored for the sake of one party or the other, or god help us, when the abomination is bi-partisan. The simple fact is not even Republican voters really care about this (or they would elect an entire caucus worth of fire-breathers).
I am sure the democrats would follow a balanced budget amendment with as much dedication as the follow the second.
Allow competing currencies and shutting down the Fed is the only way to stop running deficits. The DC elites would have to raise taxes to pay for the "goodies" or compete in the private sector for funding paying real interest rates...that is the best pressure for a balanced budget. 50 years plus off the gold standard has made it impossible for any party to actually cut spending and balance the budget.
Awe, poor commie cannot understand why people refuse to throw away their power for empty promises and outright lies. Fuck off you thieving POS.
Readers will observe the Kleptocracy universe-of-discurse contains only one Looter Kleptocracy divided into two back-stabbing factions. Nixon subsidies to looter candidates, infiltration by California child-molester plank-writers, infiltration by girl-bullying plank-deleters, infiltration by anarcho-communist terrorist-importers have all failed to totally memory-hole the original LP platform that protected women from cowardly bulliers and yielded 12% per annum growth in our votes. And we're still here.
Why is it always blamed on Trump ! As if this was a bad thing ! It's high time we see real change, not just in the parties but in government as a whole. Mc Carthy needs to remove his name and someone who represents the people take the post.
Any suggestions for an alternative?
An alternative to McCarthy? Maybe a mangy, flea-bitten yellow dog.
Any one of the first fifty names in the Des Moines phone book.
As sure as the sun rising in the east, once McCarthy nails down the Speaker role he will revert, in the progressive media eyes, to the latest version of YouKnowWho.
The Grabber-Of-Pussy platform calls for bringing back Comstockism and enslaving pregant women, that and jailing brown and hippie pothead dawp attics. This is why Gore's Ban Electricity party elected a president, controls the Senate and just now let a bunch of cross-dressing Antifa whack jobs cost them control over the House. By helping AfD nazis take over the LP, girl-bulliers have eliminated the one force capable of improving either party through spoiler vote attrition.
I understand the idea of decreasing the Speakers power but wonder if that is being applied one-way. Would those advocating to lessen the Speaker power approve of members of their party compromising with the minority. Was it acceptable for nine Republican House member to vote for the omnibus bill? Was it acceptable for ten Republican to vote for Trumps impeachment? A weaken Speaker would also allow for more compromise and so would those anti McCarthy members approve of this?
To paraphrase Rove
Reason commentersThe 20 terrorists make up a very small percentage of ourreadershipparty , and are largely people who hate everyone on staff and all of our work, on any subject. They’re in now way representative of“libertarianGOPe audiences” overallEl Paso is cleaning out all the illegal immigrants so Biden doesn't have to see them.
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Of course, they did - the entire border trip was a PR stunt / photo op. They were never going to allow Biden to either see or to be on video anywhere near anything that actually resembled the reality of the situation on the border!
LOL… “The Times ignores this substantive agenda, dismissing the rebels as cranks who are contradictory driven by blind support for Trump (even as they defy his wishes), extreme conservatism, “anti-establishment fervor,” and a lust for power.”
They hate Trump so much for threatening their Nazi-Empire building even those who are defying Trump’s Pick are Trumps party pals….
And they think the Right is messed up? They can’t even think straight anymore.
But.......... The STUPIDITY is honored by the entire party like Nazi's gathered behind Hitler no matter what was going on. As I've said all along. The left is a [WE] gang *ALL* about Gov-Gun POWER control and *ZERO* principles.
Normal, healthy, mentally sane Americans close their eyes and suddenly, a vibrant image of a gay man dances into their heads.
In it, he's thrusting his erect penis in and out of another man's butthole until he has a pleasurable, shuddering orgasm resulting in the powerful ejaculation of gobs and gobs of HIV infected man cream into the other man's colon. When they open their eyes, they're sweating and gag in disgust. Liberals picture that and think "Aww, what a sweet, healthy, courageous marital act between a husband and a husband!"
Awwwww. How sweet. ANOTHER tear-streaked, sore-loser, girl-bullying Trumpanzee ordure-poster infiltrating the Mute Loser space.
I think we may have been reading different articles.
This is silly. The goals are to a) get more persona power by making a deal for their votes b) fundraise and c) troll
McCarthy is terrible, but no one not terrible wants the job and the dissenters are basically just voting for random people.
Correction: they are voting for random girl-bullying christianofascists. In 1924 the Dems were packed with KKK Grand Goblins and it took them 103 ballots to settle on a prohibitionist bigot and lose to prohibitionist bigot republicans. Angered, the Klan joined God's Own Prohibitionists and elected Herbert Hoover to build a new race and wreck the economy with prohibition of all things enjoyable--and try to export shoot-first prohibitionism everywhere on the planet. WW2 resulted.
Prohibition Party - Its platforms throughout the 19th century supported progressive and populist positions including women's suffrage, equal racial and gender rights, bimetallism, equal pay, and an income tax.[2] The platform of the party today is liberal on economic issues in that it supports Social Security, animal rights, and free education ---- Wikipedia....
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...Rove is clearly appalled by the fact that 20 Republicans have declined to ratify the coronation of the presumptive heir to the House speaker's throne, instead insisting on an actual election.
Well, the GOP did have an actual election internally a couple weeks after the election. McCarthy won a kind of nomination for Speaker 188-31. The problem that is arising is that the Never-Kevin segment of the House GOP (mostly Freedom Caucus members) isn't accepting that McCarthy had the support of the vast majority of the party. With a slim majority, Republicans have to be almost completely united to elect anyone as Speaker. (Basically, any 5 Republicans can keep the party from electing a Speaker without the votes of any Democrats or independents.)
I have absolutely no trust or respect for Kevin McCarthy, so the schadenfreude is high for me. But from what I can tell, he has already offered some rather big concessions already that would be large departures from the House rules of any Congress going back several decades.
What we are seeing is one of the messiest situations that can occur in representative government. A small faction able to punch way above its weight class because they are needed by a much larger faction to maintain a majority of the legislature. People in the GOP and here at Reason seemed to be loving it when Sen. Sinema and Sen. Manchin were able to throw wrenches into the Democrat's plans because of the 50+VP 'majority' they had in the Senate.
This seems to be a theme among the political right in the U.S., perhaps it exists elsewhere. They don't really like majority rule. They are happy when small factions can wield outsized influence and get their way by threatening to take the ball and go home. At least, they are happy when they agree with those small factions. Perhaps it is inherent in the libertarian mindset, given that libertarians are a small faction.
But from what I can tell, he has already offered some rather big concessions already that would be large departures from the House rules of any Congress going back several decades.
What's that, specifically? Members were able to challenge the Speaker at any time up until Pelosi's Last Stand, for instance. Reason has covered what they were demanding and determined what they were asking for wasn't even that radical; hell, most of it was supported by the party establishment going back to the Contract with America.
Most of this "they asking for procedural departures!" that I'm seeing is based on nothing more than parroting a talking point, not anything specific.
Sullum could take a moment to read the McCarthyite 4 Points: 1. bully and enslave fertile women 2. charge birth control physicians with murder 3. provide guns and ammo for baby-savers to shoot up women's clinics 4. recite something vaguely libertarian-sounding so communists can quote THAT and lump Libertarians in with right-wing christianofascist Republicans.
Duh, it's the nyt sullum, what do you expect them to bleat?
NY Times sees chaos and confusion. It is because editor is looking in the mirror.
"Cut spending" my ass. Did any of these "principled" representatives oppose the budget busting policies of Trump and the GOP during his presidency? He put us $3 trillion more in debt.
What they do want is stardom a la MTG and Graetz - the power to raise money and support by themselves as media stars, and not depended on whoever is Speaker. Princples? Sure, they must have some. Like MTG, who took time to claim her support for the men in blue yesterday, even though she's supported the Jn6 insurectionists who attacked them.
Those kind of principles?
Right?
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