Democrats May Regret Compromising Taxpayer Privacy To Get Trump
The release of the former president’s tax returns sets a dangerous precedent.

It took more than three years for House Democrats to obtain Donald Trump's federal income tax returns, which they released to the public last Friday. That effort also required setting a dangerous precedent that threatens the privacy of Democrats as well as Republicans.
Every president since Jimmy Carter has voluntarily released his tax returns. Trump's defiance of that tradition provoked much criticism and invited speculation about what he might be hiding. But federal law generally protects the confidentiality of information that Americans are legally required to share with the Internal Revenue Service (IRS).
Democrats found a way around that obstacle by invoking a provision of the Internal Revenue Code that authorizes the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee to request "any return or return information." In April 2019, the committee's chairman, Rep. Richard Neal (D‒Mass.), sought tax returns for then-President Trump and several of his businesses.
Neal said his committee was "considering legislative proposals and conducting oversight related to our Federal tax laws, including, but not limited to, the extent to which the IRS audits and enforces the Federal tax laws against a President." The Treasury Department rejected Neal's request.
That decision was backed by the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), which noted that "Congress could not constitutionally confer upon the Committee the right to compel the Executive Branch to disclose confidential information without a legitimate legislative purpose." The OLC agreed with the Treasury Department that "the Committee's asserted interest in reviewing the Internal Revenue Service's audits of presidential returns was pretextual and that its true aim was to make the President's tax returns public, which is not a legitimate legislative purpose."
That take is consistent with what happened last week. The committee's investigation found that the IRS had failed to comply with a regulation requiring annual audits of the president's returns, a lapse that inspired legislation aimed at codifying that mandate. But that "legislative purpose" did not require public disclosure of Trump's returns without his consent.
After President Joe Biden took office and Neal reiterated his request, the OLC reversed its position. While the Treasury Department was now willing to furnish the returns, Trump continued to object.
A federal judge sided with Neal, and last August the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit affirmed that decision. In November, the Supreme Court declined to issue a stay, which was Trump's last hope to keep his returns confidential.
The D.C. Circuit declined to speculate about Neal's true motives. "The mere fact that individual members of Congress may have political motivations as well as legislative ones is of no moment," the appeals court said.
The upshot is that Neal's successors can obtain and disclose anyone's tax returns, provided they claim the information may be useful in overseeing the executive branch or writing legislation. It is not hard to imagine how Republicans, who just took control of the House, might use that power to discomfit their political opponents.
Republicans could argue that Hunter Biden's tax returns are relevant in investigating the president's potential "conflicts of interest," one of the subjects that Neal mentioned in his June 2021 letter to the Treasury Department. Or they could seek tax information about Democratic political donors or left-leaning philanthropists with an eye toward legislation addressing campaign finance or charitable deductions.
Rep. Kevin Brady (R‒Texas), then the ranking Republican on the Ways and Means Committee, warned last week that Democrats had overturned "decades of privacy protections for average Americans" and created "a dangerous new political weapon reaching far beyond the former President." That concern is more than partisan posturing.
If legislators become accustomed to deploying this weapon, "that's the end of tax privacy," George K. Yin, an emeritus tax law professor at the University of Virginia, told The New York Times. "Essentially no one's tax information is really protected, as long as you cross some interest who happens to be in power at some particular point in time. Then we're all vulnerable."
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I still don't know what legislative purpose releasing private financial information to the public serves.
Likewise, I don't understand what legislative purpose a committee with unfettered subpoena powers serves, when it "investigates" a "crime" using those subpoena powers in a way that law enforcement is constitutionally barred from doing.
I realize politicians are very short sighted, most often worried about the current deal and how they're going to win the next election regardless of all other considerations. But I genuinely don't understand how things like this happen so regularly, with no repercussions to individuals doing it. It makes me impossibly cynical.
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It served no purpose here other than politically, and frankly it was a dud there. We found out that Trump lost money even while he donated his salary. What I suspect will show a bit more of the ugly inside congress would be the release of the tax returns of Pelosi, Schumer and others, the people who were using their positions raking in massive amounts of money and manipulating markets. As far as I'm concerned we're in the deplorable state we're in because one side breaks the constitution and the other side says "well they did it" and break it even more. At best the R's are just D-lite.
So the side that breaks the rules should never face consequences in your view?
I've read the comment three times and I don't see anywhere where he says or even implies that.
As far as I’m concerned we’re in the deplorable state we’re in because one side breaks the constitution and the other side says “well they did it” and break it even more.
How do you break something more once broken?
Would stealing a loaf of bread, stealing a fancy handbag, and stealing the assets of a closed-end fund all be treated the same way?
It’s pretty clear he’s making a comment about magnitude, regardless of the quality of writing used to make that statement. Actually, it's still a bit ambiguous - he could be referring to quantity/number of times as well.
So that's two ways to break it more.
and I read it as "just because they stole you should not compound the wrong by taking the money back or denying them their liberty"
I cannot read it as anything but a bygones be bygones after each infraction because the response is the "bad thing"
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But that's the problem, too. If we let "bygones be bygones" because to respond is wrong, then one side is always going to have incentives to break things, with impunity.
If the breaking of things is to stop, it needs to hurt. And sometimes the only way to inflict hurt, is to make the side that's breaking the rules live up to the new "rules" they just set up for their enemies.
Apparently, they didn’t break any law, according to a leftist judge and the leftist DC Court of Appeals. So, Republicans are now free to request and publicly release tax returns of their political enemies, as well. Of course, the IRS will now refuse to release them and the so-called “Justice” Department will not raise a finger to enforce the request. We are truly in a banana republic.
The 'legislative purpose' was just the pretextual excuse for getting them, as otherwise Congress has zero investigative authority.
Releasing them was supposedly a separate act of pure politics and / or malice. And apparently they knew it was a nothing burger, or it wouldn't have been released on a Friday afternoon over the holidays. But, I suppose they had to do it before the Republicans took over, and it was their last chance.
There are no rules.
Only weapons.
"I still don’t know what legislative purpose releasing private financial information to the public serves."
It doesn't.
Note: I didn't support Trump (I am also not a "hater"). In this case it was pure politics - the D's were (are?) desperate to dig up something -- anything -- to keep him from running in 2024.
Again, I don't like Trump, but this was bullshit.
Umm, he had an account in CHINA!!!
Please do partisan correctly
So what if he had an account in China? I’m also not a Trump lover(or hater) I think the guy is a doofus but who cares if he had an account in China? What does that have to do with performing the duties required while acting as President of the United States?
This is clearly an example of the D's using whatever weapon is available to try and keep a specific individual from running for office.. again.
You have to admit it's pretty funny, given his "China, China, China" stance...
I haven't read the Trump returns, but I haven't heard about anything very surprising they reveal. Which does make you wonder why Trump fought so hard to keep them private. Knee-jerk? He had to spend all his donors' money somehow?
As opposed to what, Feinstein (employing a Chinese spy) and Swallwell (sleeping with a Chinese spy). A disclosed account, for a man with international business concerns doesn't seem all that big a deal. Cf: Hunter's art sales.
Easily done as Dems set the precedent of kicking members off committees. Neal be added to the list.
Unfortunately politicians have convinced the public that tar and feathering politicians is bad. If we brought it back they'd behave better.
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One of the frustrations that many Republican voters are beginning to develop is the fact that Republicans only respond in kind occasionally, citing "But we're better than that!"
I, for one, am getting to the point where I'm convinced this nonsense won't stop until Republicans start responding in kind -- if everyone gets hurt when one of these weapons gets deployed, maybe politicians will stop deploying them!
True, I don't think very many people still believe they're "better than that".
Yeah. Noticed that switch 2/3rds of the way. Basically mocking the gop if they use it against Hunter of all people.
Reason should have been warning against this for the last 2 years, but they weren't. It is only an issue the day the GOP takes control of the House and can implement the new DNC created weapon.
Those who issued the request to the IRS should get contempt of court and perjury charges thrown at them for lying to the D.C. courts about their intentions.
I was noticing that they weren't warning about this until after the release failed to seriously damage Trump. Once this bombshell failed to explode in a way that benefited US, Sullum suddenly gets worried that this sort of power might get abused now that THEM have the ability to do this.
Perhaps you missed the part about the House releasing the returns to the public in their dying gasp.
One could have argued with a (barely) straight face that the House really wanted to investigate if audits were being done as required and that they needed the returns to determine this.
It's impossible to argue that releasing the returns to the public had any legislative purpose or that it was anything but a partisan political move.
The amusing thing is that release of Trump's returns to the public likely had virtually no political effect on Trump's future. It did, however weaponize the IRS which Democrats may regret having done for no gain. This is not unlike Reid using the Nuclear Option to nuke most of the filibuster for short term gain (which I warned against at the time) -- resulting in the Republicans taking the next tiny step (rather than the giant leap) and giving us the current SCOTUS which the Democrats so hate.
Also, ironically, the Democrats are making a big mistake by targeting Trump. The best thing for Democrats in Nov 2024 would be to have Trump as the Republican nominee and anything they do today to damage Trump reduces the chances of that happening. Even Harris could beat Trump in 2024 and I can't think of any other likely Republican opponent she could beat.
To be fair, as much as Democrats want Trump to run for 2024, they also aren’t taking into account that they are so bad for America, they might just set things up for Trump to win that 2024 election, regardless.
It’s a classic case of “Be careful what you wish for!”
It’s also a classic case of “Just do well in running the economy, and you wouldn’t have to care who is running as a Republican in 2024″ — but then, this is also a classic case of “But we know that Democrats can’t do that, so they have to worry about who’s running in 2024”.
As someone who loathes both the Democrats and the Republicans, I can say that it it was wrong for the taxes to be released publicly, and that the Democrats may be sorry for the precedent it sets. One is not dependent on the other.
"Or they could seek tax information about Democratic political donors "
Like investigating people that voted to send money to a foreign nation, where said nation "stores" much of that in a crypto company, and the ceo of the company funnels money back to the politition then claims he "lost" the money?
I fucking hope they do. Pelosi, Schumer, but AOC would be the best gift.
Dear Kevin probably won't want to, knowing how that game goes.
Every politician should have all their finances publicly available. And all phone calls, locations, meetings, everything.
They all follow the example of "the most transparent presidency ever".
And that's no malarkey.
If anyone needs bodycams it's the Congress. Anything they do should be recorded.
"Every politician should have all their finances publicly available. And all phone calls, locations, meetings, everything."
Every government employee, too.
They should never be permitted to contest a subpoena.
Nor they should ever be allowed to plead the Fifth Amendment to protect themselves from truthfully testifying to what crimes they committed, while employed by the government.
There are many benefits to government employment.
There should also be a denial of some rights, along with those benefits.
I don't see anything stopping you from passing a law that authorizes/requires those things.
The Constitution's "right to privacy"?
The Republicans would be fools if they *didn't* do this. When your enemy launches a nuclear attack on you, you need to retaliate in kind. More to the point, you need to give a signal that massive in-kind retaliation will *always* be the response if they ever pull bullshit like this again.
"Democrats May Regret Compromising Taxpayer Privacy To Get Trump
The release of the former president’s tax returns sets a dangerous precedent."
From the way Buttplug, Jeff, White Mike, Sarcasmic, Sqrlsy and Tony have been talking, they don't regret it one bit.
The only thing that they really regret is there wasn't anything interesting in his tax returns.
When PACA was passed I asked my liberal mother if she would trust R's with that power over her health care. She said hell no, but they'll never have majority again, this nation will be run be democrats from now on. Next election R's too the house, then the senate and presidency. She was frothing at the mouth with anger at how they were unconstitutionally using that power to "destroy health care", but she still thought the problem was that they got elected, not that the D's handed them that power.
She was like those people who feel that red flag laws will only be used against street thugs and gangbangers.
Dems don't support red flag laws because they think they'll be used against thugs and gangbangers--those people are their political allies, and they believe they should not be subject to those laws.
Red flag laws are for white conservative gun owners to follow, not leftists. Anarchy for them, tyranny for everyone else.
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The [WE] mob RULES and [WE] have the right to violate Individual Rights. However; 'You' nasty Republicans aren't part of the [WE] mob Nazi's so 'You' don't have that right..
The left is Gangland-Politics 101. The Nazi's(National Sozialist [WE] gang) against the citizens through and through. They think righteousness comes from GANG ([WE] gang) rule theology of "our democracy".
The trick will be preventing the USA patriots from learning/using this evil plot to take over the USA while also evicting this Nazi-Party from the USA. The US Constitution HAS to be the SUPREME law of the land. The 'people' must be ensured their !!Individual!! Liberty and Justice ABOVE [WE] gangs of Power-Mad politicians.
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I'm looking forward to Congress obtaining and releasing the tax returns of the Pelosis, the Cheneys, the Bidens, the Clintons, and the Obamas, as well as those of their families and their associated LLCs and non-profits.
Americans deserve to know how these people became filthy rich on their government salaries. And that is very much a legitimate legislative purpose.
Every non-polluted person already knows it's from UN-Constitutional National Sozialist(Nazi)-Empire building... (fiat printer go brrrrrrr). As it has been in every cursed Nazi/Communist-Empire led nation founded on selfish greed and Gov-Gun power.
When it comes to the Clintons, I'd rather see the report on the audit of the KGB that was done in the early 90's. As soon as that report became available, Clinton slapped a 75 year security moratorium on it.
Probably because it showed how the KGB was funding the activities of the Black Panthers, Weather Underground, and other radical left groups via the National Lawyers Guild.
You think the Democrat voter has a problem with their incumbents getting rich off of insider trading and other open forms of grift?
It’s all part of the warm, worshipful feeling they get knowing their betters are living to a different set of standards. It’s the party that supports AOC wearing a “Tax the Rich” dress while attending a $30k/head gala.
Core Democrats? No. The plurality of Americans, namely independents? Absolutely.
Biden's tax returns have already been released (voluntarily), and I imagine so have those of Hillary Clinton, so I'm not sure what this action is supposed to reveal?
By saying "Americans deserve to know", and that "this is very much a legitimate legislative purpose", you appear to be agreeing with the Democrats' actions.
So much for principles, eh!
Only her pre-presidential personal tax returns, not the Clinton Foundation's or any corporations they control. We need the complete period from 1999 until now.
I disagree with Congress's action on making selective tax returns public, but since that principle has been established now, it is fair and reasonable to apply it liberally to liberals. The overriding principle is equality under the law.
(Furthermore, I have no problem with ALL tax returns being made public, as they are in some other countries.)
You cannot be half pregnant. The breach was made. There is no more tax privacy. And yes, I expect to see many more disclosures in the future.
This never should have been done = publish tax records
Democrats have been the initiaters of everything F'Up about this nation.
Only their projection and deflection keeps them safe from reality.
I'm seeing media bobbleheads state that doing this was the right thing, even if it was for the wrong reasons. The problem is that now the box has been opened, and even if the press will never excuse it when it's done by the GOP like they do when their party does it, it really doesn't matter anymore. The precedent has been set.
The left continually demonstrates that they'll blow up long-standing norms to serve their own short-term interests, and they're doing it because they know that they have power and the GOP doesn't. If those norms aren't going to be observed anymore, then the GOP is perfectly justified in using those same tools to fight back. The GOP is not obligated to preserve a shell of comity in the vain hope that the Dems will agree to go along with it, when the Dems have already demonstrated that they know they can do whatever they want and get away with it. If that involves burning it down, so be it.
Sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander = If those norms aren’t going to be observed anymore, then the GOP is perfectly justified in using those same tools to fight back.
Sad that our country has descended to this. It will get worse.
Yes, they say it only applies to presidential candidates, but the newly established principle is really applicable to all taxpayers--you can see this already in the calls to release the private tax records of Pelosi, Biden's family, etc. (none of whom are running for president).
It's just a matter of time until the next Congresscritter committee does it to someone else.
Jacob, are you finally seeing where TDS leads? Now your tax returns aren't safe either. This is what TDS does. It runs roughshod over privacy rights, laws, and the Constitution merely to get that one person, merely because OrangeManBad.
No he doesn't, he's an empty shell with only one take of Republicans bad dems good.
He uses the same rhetorical tricks Mike and sarc use to claim they aren't democrats. Sullum never says Dems goods. What he does is Republicans bad, ignore DNC bad.
Even in this article it is a fairly tepid rebuke of their actions.
And not on principle, only that it might harm Ds in the future.
Stuff your TDS up your ass, Sullum and then fuck off and die.
It only sets a dangerous precedent if there's some danger the GOP may suddenly sprout a pair and do unto the Dems as the Dems do unto them. It's simply biologically impossible for the GOP to grow a pair.
^This^
Republicans have shown a dozen times they are neither smart enough nor bold enough to take advantage of openings the Dems give them. Had the Senate in the palm of their hand and blew it by running piss poor candidates in GA and PA.
The Republicans are unlikely to use this "weapon" against the Dems, and even if they do, they will not pursue it to trials and jail sentences. They haven't the brains or the balls.
It's not brains they lack. Do you really think that the GOP congressional leadership wants to open that can of worms and have their own dirty laundry aired?
They're chalking this one up as a lost battle. The leadership has no use for Trump any longer anyway. What they don't want to do is declare war and have their own issues come to light.
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In today's episode of "Which one is a piss-poor candidate", we ask...
Point is that Oz was a piss poor candidate because he 1) had zero experience at any level of government and was running against a guy who was the Lt Governor of the state and a mayor before that, and 2) Oz was living in fucking New Jersey.
If you're gonna run against an experienced campaigner with the full weight of the state election machine behind him, you gotta do better than Dr Oz.
Er, didn't Repubs kinda turn the federal judge/Supreme Court nomination process back on Dems?
(In the instant case, instead of "all nominations other than for the Supreme Court" in 2013, the new precedent is "only for candidates for President". It will take nothing at all for this to morph into "only for candidates for federal office", just as the Repubs removed the SCOTUS exception in 2017.)
Only your pathological need to be the victim prevents you from seeing that Repubs and Dems already play the same game.
I doubt that we will see a wholesale release of people tax information. Each side has too much to lose. Former President Trump was an obvious target because of his bullshit response about being audited. He would have been better served to just say he will not release his taxes and leave it at that. I suspect there will be some retribution and maybe Hunter Biden's taxes will be released. I see tax issues as Hunter's greatest liability so a release would make sense.
I also expect that the Trump release will now make the release of taxes a norm for Presidential candidates. There is no mandate but there is a likelihood of release anyway.
I doubt that we will see a wholesale release of people tax information.
It already happened.
Former President Trump was an obvious target because of his bullshit response about being audited.
His returns are deemed private by law. They released them under pretext. Just because you dislike trump doesn't make it a valid pretext.
I also expect that the Trump release will now make the release of taxes a norm for Presidential candidates.
Again a violation of current law. If they want this to be the norm pass it by law. But even then it would undo the defense of tax filings used in tax regulation as it would be a 4th amendment violation if not held private by law.
Amnesty!
""Former President Trump was an obvious target because of his bullshit response about being audited. ""
That's not a legal justification.
But you prove a point. It's not about laws, or privacy. It's about I don't like that guy so go get him.
Moderatioin4ever, principles NEVER.
Eat shit and die, M4e.
What’s interesting is the amount of smoking guns that haven’t been found so far in Trump’s tax returns.
No one ever thought there was anything wrong.
It was spite and actual malice all along.
Just a shiny distraction from Joe's half a million in unpaid payroll taxes.
And Pelosi's insider trading.
Since Trump cleared a 5+ year audit from the IRS of Louis Lerner, it was pretty obvious that there wasn't anything big.
The Democrats and always doing this. Whipping up outrage amongst their acolytes on some impossibility, and then quickly whipping up outrage on something else as soon as the first turns out to be nothing.
And their acolytes love it. They love the state of smug, righteous fervor, the railing against the orange devil. They don't care if it's true.
The full force of the US government has had a magnifying glass up Trump’s ass the last eight years (if not longer). If there was anything to find in his financials it would’ve been “leaked” by now.
The only crime Trump ever committed was getting elected without the approval of the Democrats and their friends in the swamp.
It reminds me of what happened to Saddam Hussein, actually. He insisted he had no WMDs, while at the same time clearly warning his Middle East neighbors that he still did. That made it easy for the US to justify (to itself, if not the world) invading Iraq, citing Hussein's long history of lying about WMDs.
Trump's numerous lies about releasing his tax returns made it easy for the Dems to "justify" doing it for him.
(Before the scat-fans predictably pile in, I have always opposed the involuntary public release of Trump's tax returns.)
All of Biden's tax returns, including the bullshit foundation.
All of the Bidens.
And the same for the Clinton's.
And Pelosi's.
And the Schumer's.
Let's make good use of the new army of armed IRS agents.
(unless the real reason for them is to take the border from the Patrol and REALLY open it up)
I too want mutually assured destruction now. Violations such of these only end when that is the outcome.
Mutually assured destruction is what you have. Neither side wants to go further than Trump because they don't want their own dirty laundry aired. Trump was an ok target because the GOP leadership is done with him anyway.
What you want is WW3. On that we can agree. Let's see all their tax returns from when they were on the govt dole. That should be very interesting.
"...Trump was an ok target because the GOP leadership is done with him anyway..."
Along with TDS-addled shit piles, right Leo?
Do you really think McConnell and McCarthy care about Trump now?
My post wasn't even a dig at Trump, it was a dig at the GOP leadership. Are you off your meds or what?
Add in the families and toss those they love in jail for insider trading (let a man dream of impossible things).
Expect Hunter to revise multiple years of tax filings, and some unnamed "benefactors" making his required payments and penalties for him.
Not that we will hear about it any time soon.
In these cases, I wouldn’t mind law enforcement getting a little trigger happy.
It is amazing to what extent in breaking norms the Democrats and the GOP Never Trumpers will go to in order to take petty shots at Trump. It is particularly disheartening due to their excuse for doing so being what a unique danger Trump is to our systemic norms. At best, it is becoming what you hate. At worst, it was all a lie to begin with.
Trump is our Emmanuel Goldstein
It has been projection all the way down. They are what they purport to fear and they know it.
Trump is such a system danger to our norms that we must violate our norms to stop him violating our norms.
We must destroy our norms to save them.
Funny how proggies like Jacob couldn't see this threat before it was used and Republicans took the house. Kinda like he can't see a problem with the J6 political prisoners or the rest of the systemic destruction wrought by his Dem allies.
This situation demands a tit for tat response and progg-curious Sullum knows it.
As the popular meme says, I'm not interested in seeing the tax returns of a President who lost money while being in office. I'm interested into seeing the tax returns of the politicians who became millionaires while being in office.
When the D's had these in hand for a long time and absolutely nothing was leaked, it was very apparent that there wasn't shit in them. It doesn't sound like there's even anything remotely interesting in there. It does lend creedence to the fact that the vast majority of really rich people aren't tax cheats, though.
And also that their tax returns are boring and Byzantine. Trying to excoriate someone over carried loss deductions and the like isn’t very sexy. Especially when your target audience are a bunch of idiot leftists that are already dumb enough to vote for senile grifters and brain damaged Marxists.
I think it's quaint that anyone believes that any of our records stored with the government are really *private*.
So lefty shit has now progressed to:
"X. It's not that bad."
Fuck off and die, beavershit.
They won't. The mainstream GOP isn't opposed to the DNC - they're the loyal opposition. They exist to allow us to pretend there's a choice here. Eastasia to Oceana.
The Trump wing would - but apparently they're all authoritarian fascists, right?
The release of the former president’s tax returns sets a dangerous precedent.
No.
I have it on good authority from The Smartest People In The Room that anything is justified in keeping Trump away from the levers of power. He is so terrifying, so corrupt, that any means to keep him out of the white house is justified.
That's what Sam Harris taught me.
Ms. Reynolds, I understand you detest Trump. Just remember that about 50% of the US voted for him and he did NOT institute a war against carbon which caused YOUR family the greatest inflation of a lifetime.
And just so you understand, hatred of Trump is just a small part of reality. The Left will deliver the most intense hatred against DeSantis should he win the Republican nomination. It will be the same as the vitriol against Trump.
I suspect that Trump is no more corrupt than most politicians in general, but that is not an honor, either. Just deliver me a president who will stop the war against carbon. That's all I ask.
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Don't get me killed, new guy.
Did Brandon pay the required tax on his 10% cut of Hunter's influence peddling?
How about Nancy, did her and Paul pay their "fair share" on their insider trading? And about that insider trading, I want to see all the "buys and sells" correlated with legislation under Nancy's control, just a reminder, she was speaker of the house.
There seems to be fertile ground for the political use of this "oversight authority" the Democrats invented.
Well, for Biden, you could always just look for yourself: https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns
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Having just checked, I see no evidence that Joe Biden paid any taxes on the "10% for the Big Guy" he received.
What's more, I can't help but wonder how a "public servant" -- and one who's been in that position for more than a half century, to boot -- has so much money in the first place! Indeed, for all this claiming that he has released all of his returns, I have not seen any evidence that he has released the tax documents and other financial information for his private corporations, listed in his tax returns. Who knows, maybe the "10% for the Big Guy" is hidden in one of those S-Corps?
Clearly, Pretendant Biden hasn't released enough documentation. An investigation is called for. And we now have precedence for Congress to hunt down that information and release it to the public!
The bleating sheep democrats are incapable of regret or introspection.
Ang you all were comfortable with Trump, a notorious scammer, breaking precedent and not releasing his taxes? Well, you all thought Bush was a good ol' boy from Texas and not an Ivy leaguer so sure. Whatever.
TDS-addled piles of lefty shit continue to lie like this:
"Ang you all were comfortable with Trump, a notorious scammer, breaking precedent and not releasing his taxes?..."
In spite of the fact that Trump has been investigated by several hundred investigative bodies.
Now I ask you, what level of IQ is required for assholes such as Heraclitus to continue to lie so publicly and transparently? Low two-digits?
Even turd tries harder than this slimebag.
I didn't trust President Trump -- I couldn't even bring myself to vote for him the first time -- but after his first term in office, I cannot help but notice he's far less of a political scammer than most people in Washington DC these days.
And that particularly includes the current occupant of the White House.
Between the fact that tax returns have become a tradition among candidates, and that there was nothing to be found in the documents of the one holdout whose documents were released against his will, I can't help but wonder: why is this a tradition, anyway? What benefits have we gotten from it?
In all this controversy, I took a few moments to look at Pretendant Biden's tax returns, and I couldn't help but ask myself: "How the heck does a 'public servant' become a millionaire anyway?" If that question deserves an answer -- and I would suggest that maybe it should -- we should be calling for far more documentation than just tax returns -- and we should be calling for that information for far more people than just Presidential Candidates.
It was all a lie.
While it's inevitable that this newly claimed power of a Governmental entity will at some point be brought to bear in a way that's painful to Democrats, I'm not sure I agree that they'll ultimately regret any of it.
If issues like the "kids in cages" controversy are any indicator, the Dems are secure in their belief that when their abuses of power are contiued or repeated by a GOP official, the MSM will run cover and drive the narriative that such abuses are "what the GOP has reduced the country to". Further, their partisan believers are so inured in doublethink that when presented with objective proof that whatever is at the root of the next version of that narriative was created by Dem operators, they immediately pivot to "all that matters now is that it's still happening, and who ever said anything about 'having brought the country to this point' anyway?"
"...If issues like the “kids in cages” controversy are any indicator, the Dems are secure in their belief that when their abuses of power are contiued or repeated by a GOP official, the MSM will run cover and drive the narriative that such abuses are “what the GOP has reduced the country to”..."
Note also the coverage of the FBI paying Twitter to suppress news detrimental to droolin' Joe just prior to the 2020 election. Documented by FBI emails.
A week or so ago, CNN sent up a trial balloon denying any wrongful activity which followed their ratings and disappeared.
Since then, CNN? MSNBC? PBS? NYT? LAT? CBS? WaPo?
This is an arm of the US government directly interfering with an election, and we get silence!
Something is wrong here and it needs to be corrected. NOW!
For all the condescending references to FNC being "state run media" during the trump administration, almost none of the pundits throwing such labels around seem to be bothered in the least that the bulk of the rest of the MSM (most major newspapers, TV Networks and cable operators CNN and MSNBC) are nakedly and uncritically repeating whatever the current DNC talking points happen to be, and running almost complete embargoes on stories which fail to fit neatly into any worldview based on those talking points. I know way too many people personally who spent 20 years calling FNC "Faux News", then in 2017 got their undies twisted hard on the audacity of donny jingles to have "invented" the whole concept of "Fake News" as an excuse to deny the "facts" which the deep TDS haters chose to believe (including continuing to take the Steele Dossier as scripture even after it had been widely reported that the FBI suspected from jump that it was likely pure misinformation)
CNN and MSNBC are one thing, since cable "news" as a whole is little more than a septic buffet where viewers choose which flavor of propaganda they're looking to consume, and know going in that their confirmation biases won't be subjected to any kind of challenge.
The major "papers of record" such as NYT and WaPo (LA Times hasn't been considered fit to line bird cages or wrap fish for decades) clinging to the mantle of "journalism" while pumping out nearly undiluted political propaganda is a bit more concerning, as are the number of people who automatically accept as "fact" anything that's printed on the front page NYT, except for the the corrections/retractions which have seemed to multiply prodigiously in recent years. Based on the people I know who fall into this category, I generally attribute such credulity to the paper mostly telling the lies their audience wants to believe.
Substituting the variables for the preceding anonymous speculation does not change its predictive worth, provided nazi Fox replaces the GDR's MSN. "Both halves of the The socialist Looter Kleptocracy are dishonest and violent conspirators" says the says thing in fewer words. Nothing would make me happier than for goth gangs to use their communist income tax to mutual annihilation--except for voters to turn off the teevee and amend the Constitution to completely do away with the 16th, 18th and 21st Amendments.
Democrats just "automatically assume" they will always remain in power, because we have a two-tiered legal system that basically allows them freedom to commit various crimes without facing any legal music. (Hunter and his father). Perhaps Crypto crooks too.
Lo and behold, Republicans NOW control the House, with a lot of subpoena power, and public exposure to their whims of investigation.
I'm not going to defend Trump. Right now, ALL I want is a president, (any) who will stop the war against carbon. Trump would do that, but a few Democrats might too. But I am not aware of any.
This tax form release is going to backfire magnificently. January is now here. Dems will live to regret their hubris.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
War on carbon? Good grief. When will our planet be poisoned/heated enough for you? Good grief.
Bill, our current atmospheric carbon levels of ~400ppm are near an all-time low for the Earth.
Are they higher than they were 1000yrs ago? Yes. But you also know 1000yrs is a blink in the Earth's history. One most go back before the Triassic to find a carbon record in the <400ppm range. The carbon war/fear is based on selecting a favorable comparison frame. Stats, stats, and...how does that saying go again?
So the "greenhouse" model is not proven by history, though the modelers claim other factors make it applicable today. And you're suffering from the idea that there is a "perfect Earth" model, that at some snapshot the Earth was ideal and we must always expect and aim to preserve that model. That is nowhere near reality, full of hubris, and frankly not achievable.
Bill-NM, I own two hybrid cars and my carbon footprint is probably far less than yours because we do not eat meat. So, lecturing me about "global climate change" does not work.
If "brandon" wanted to reduce carbon emissions he has to understand that this will come out of the hide of those who voted for him. I can afford the inflation. But millions cannot. In the meantime, the worst polluters of the oceans are the Chinese and Indians (from India).
it is absurd to think that driving electric cars will mean anything in even 30 years, because an enormous amount of carbon emissions (not to mention the harm of mining lithium) go into manufacturing them.
Sorry about reality. Sometimes it hurts.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
The looter war is against energy, not carbon. The war against education is won now that 9 of 10 graduates have no clue what causes summer or winter. Convincing them that chattel slavery is better than electrical energy is the next logical step, now practically perfected. Reactors are closing down so voters dumber than those in Ukraine and Russia can freeze in the dark like their ballots said to do.
The dangerous precedent would have been to allow a President to HIDE his financial interests. The public deserves to know that a President is working for THEM and not being financially influenced by his/her vested interests which may not align with the interests of the United States.
A President is hardly a "private person" in that sense. If a person wants to be President, with all the power and responsibility thereof, they need to be VETTED. If they don't want that then we don't want them as President.
Agreed, now let's see what Joe got from the CCP for his troubles. Start there, but there's lots more. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns
Biden's tax returns are public. Who knew?
Good! Now let's do the rest of his finances. And let's do them for the last 50 years, so we can get a clear picture of how he became a millionaire while he was a public "servant".
Bill, even taking your assertion as true, there's a logical mile between doing a financial conflict check on a person and putting tax returns on display to the world.
If the public actually "deserves" this, Congress can simply pass a law authorizing it, no?
Let's sum up what happened:
- The Democrat-controlled House Ways and Means Committee lied to the Treasury Department about why they needed Trump's returns
- The Democrat-controlled House Ways and Means Committee lied to the Court about why they needed Trump's returns
- The Democrat-controlled House Ways and Means Committee never did use these returns for their stated purpose
- Instead, they released those returns to the public shortly after they got them in violation of federal law and exactly as Trump's legal team argued was the Democrat's clear intent
As far as precedent? No matter how many times someone breaks the law, that does not change the law.
A Trumper is lecturing people on what "lying" is? LOL...
But, you're wrong (were you "lying"?) about point 3: they did review the returns and specifically flagged the lack of Trump audits, as supposedly required by IRS rules. This would obviously be of concern to the legislative body which has primary responsibility for revenue and taxes.
You're also wrong about point 4, unless you can point to some actual federal law which prohibits them from putting those documents into the Congressional Record. Which law, exactly?
On the other hand, I remember the "fact checking" done on the "lies" of the Trump Administration -- by no means the most egregious, but one of the silliest, was when the Washington Post clowned itself by insisting on checking the accuracy of Trump having burgers piled a mile high -- and then using like this towards Trump's count of "30,000 lies".
I have also seen the lies you folk are willing to believe about Trump -- so don't lecture us "Trumpers" (some of whom have merely come to tolerate him over the years) about lecturing on lying.
If politicians think that their tax returns will reflect badly on themselves, they shouldn't cheat on their taxes or pretend that they are the ultimate business ‘winners’ when they only make money when their dad gives it to them.
If Hunter Biden cheated on his taxes, I don’t care nearly as much as seeing Nancy Pelosi’s (or her successors or any other congress-critter’s) stock gains on stock that benefited due to legislation he or she sponsored.
I’m in favor of whatever makes it more difficult for politicians to hide their misdeeds. Maybe cheaters and big-time losers will be less likely to run for office.
So now it's time to look at the returns of the Biden Crime family, Joe, his brother, and his son. It's all fair game, as declared by his own party. And let's see how all these poor and humble Congresspersons became millionaires on their government salaries.
You want to give the US taxpayer a proctoscope, we can return the favor. We're not in the public eye, but you elected to be, didn't you?
I agree. And that actually would serve a "legitimate legislative purpose", because we need to figure out how this happened and how to stop it.
Heh. On the other hand, the people who claim privacy is so important for things like abortion and Epstein's client list are now suddenly giddy that President Trump has no privacy.
It's as if the only principle that matters to Democrat bigots is "That which enables to obtain and/or keep power to crush and enslave those deplorable clingers is good, while anything that enables those deplorable clingers to live life as they see fit is bad, and the glory days of WWII, WWI, and Southern Confederacy will finally rise again!"
How would anyone other than Trump have had standing to sue?
AFAIK, their tax returns were not being sought by Congress.
Sullum clearly does not remember our first National Socialist president. In 1905 TR said: "There should be publicity of the accounts of common carriers; no common carrier engaged in interstate business should keep any books or memoranda other than those reported pursuant to law or regulation, and these books or memoranda should be open to the inspection of the Government." Wilson crashed the economy by threatening to disclose corporate tax returns in 1914, as did Bert Hoover in 1929 and 1932. Remember when Reason advocated repeal of the Manifesto 16th Amendment?
Now that it is clear there was never any “legislative purpose,” Trump must file criminal charges against every member of the committee who voted to release his returns. Making them public was an act of pure political malice aforethought.
That would be difficult to do, given that SCOTUS cleared this.
The D.C. Circuit is famous for restricting the gop from tactics the dnc has already used by claiming animus from the gop. That will happen here.
How likely would "the same thing" ever happen to a Democrat president? Don't they religiously release their tax returns when running for President already?
90% jury rate for those identifying as Dem. Friendly cocktail circuit judges. We have seen too many cases of trials in D.C. have political slant based on outcomes. One of the most glaring being the recent case about lying to the FBI about the source of the server ping used to support a FISA warrant. Literally had a text message lying to the FBI but it was removed as evidence by the judge then the jury threw the case out.
That's my understanding of this situation as well.
No, rbike is a TDS-addled shit; stupid, not sarc.
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Whelp, that's me told.