Psychiatrists Do Not Know What They Are Treating
The mysteries of the mind are harder to unravel than psychiatrists pretend.

Schizophrenia: An Unfinished History, by Orna Ophir, Polity Books, 224 pages, $35
Desperate Remedies: Psychiatry's Turbulent Quest to Cure Mental Illness, by Andrew Scull, Belknap Press, 512 pages, $35
The Mind and the Moon: My Brother's Story, the Science of Our Brains, and the Search for Our Psyches, by Daniel Bergner, Ecco/HarperCollins, 320 pages, $28.99
As a boy, especially while lying in bed or suffering a fever, I was periodically troubled by harshly critical voices that vaguely charged me with misconduct and failures of character. As I grew up, the murmuring Greek chorus was replaced by a single voice, which by then I recognized as my own.
If those seemingly external voices had persisted into adolescence and adulthood, I might have qualified for a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Instead, I became a garden-variety neurotic, assailed by self-recriminations that undermined my confidence and interfered with my happiness.
Are these two states of mind categorically distinct, or do they occupy different spots on a continuum of mental health? Is one properly classified as a brain disease requiring biomedical treatment while the other is a psychological condition amenable to talk therapy? Or are we talking about a difference in degree rather than kind?
The renegade psychiatrist Thomas Szasz, a longtime Reason contributing editor, argued that "mental illness" was a metaphor that should not be taken literally. In his view, the patterns of speech and behavior that are seen as symptoms of schizophrenia, like less severe and more common disturbances of thought and emotion, could be traced to "problems in living" rather than an identifiable neurological lesion or biochemical defect.
Less radical critics of psychiatry's scientific pretensions tend to dismiss Szasz's take as implausible, clinically naive, and cruelly indifferent to the suffering of people diagnosed with schizophrenia. At the same time, they emphasize that psychiatry has never managed a satisfactory account of what schizophrenia is, let alone what causes it or why the treatments du jour can be expected to work. That ongoing failure with regard to schizophrenia, which Szasz called "the sacred symbol of psychiatry," epitomizes the field's broader crisis of credibility, which extends to the medicalization of nearly every human folly and foible.
In Schizophrenia: An Unfinished History, psychoanalyst Orna Ophir traces the concept's evolution since the 19th century, culminating in contemporary debates about its validity and usefulness. Swiss psychiatrist Paul Eugen Bleuler, who introduced the term schizophrenia, perceived a group of diseases characterized by "the four As": autism, ambivalence, and abnormal affect and associations. DSM-5, the latest version of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, defines schizophrenia based on a list of symptoms: delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior, and "negative symptoms" such as flat affect. A diagnosis requires just two of those symptoms, including at least one of the first three, persisting for a month or longer, plus impairment of a major life function and one or more signs lasting for at least six months.
Prior to the 2013 publication of DSM-5, Ophir notes, members of what was then known as the International Society for the Psychological Treatments of the Schizophrenias and Other Psychoses argued that schizophrenia was "an idea whose very essence is equivocal," a "category without natural boundaries, a barren hypothesis." They "condemned it [as] 'yesterday's diagnosis,' 'a construct with little reliability or predictive validity,' precisely because the symptoms used to diagnose it can be understood as extreme versions of normal human experience." Even critics who saw value in Bleuler's original concept agreed that the existing diagnostic criteria were "arbitrary and pseudoscientific."
As sociologist Andrew Scull notes in Desperate Remedies, that dissent came from a faction of mental health specialists who had dominated organized psychiatry for decades before losing control to academics and clinicians with a biomedical orientation. But if objections from once-regnant psychoanalysts don't give you pause, the blunt observations of Thomas R. Insel, a neuroscientist and psychiatrist who directed the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) from 2002 to 2015, really should.
In 2013, Insel dismissed the DSM's symptom-based framework as "equivalent to creating diagnostic systems based on the nature of chest pain or the quality of fever." Although most psychiatrists "actually believe" that the disorders they diagnose "are real," he said, "there's no reality. These are just constructs. There is no reality to schizophrenia or depression."
Despite that assessment, Insel hoped research would illuminate the biological sources of the mental problems clumsily cataloged by the DSM. But by the time he retired from the NIMH, he confessed that, despite spending some $20 billion on such studies, "I don't think we moved the needle in reducing suicide, reducing hospitalizations, [or] improving recovery for the tens of millions of people who have mental illness." In his 2022 memoir, he reiterated that "advances in neuroscience have yet to benefit patients," as The New York Times put it.
Scull, who suggests that schizophrenia is "a label that lumps together a variety of heterogeneous phenomena," notes that "the clinical utility" of brain research based on functional magnetic resonance imaging "has been essentially nonexistent." And while twin studies suggest that schizophrenia is at least partly heritable, extensive research has failed to identify genetic markers that play more than a minimal role in the odds of receiving such a diagnosis.
Historically, Scull reminds us, the noble-sounding goal of "benefit[ing] patients" has resulted in supposedly enlightened and humane interventions that horrify us today. In the name of helping people with mental illness, psychiatrists used insulin and other drugs to induce comas, infected people with malaria parasites in the hope that the resulting fevers would prove therapeutic, extracted teeth and excised internal organs that were thought to harbor mind-altering microorganisms, blindly slashed frontal lobes with ice picks hammered through eye sockets, and used electricity to trigger bone-fracturing, discombobulating, and memory- erasing seizures.
Physicians won Nobel Prizes for that sort of thing. The treatments were effective in the sense that they often made psychiatric patients less disruptive and more manageable. Whether such indiscriminate assaults on brain function left those patients better off is a different question.
The drugs that supplanted such crude and brutal methods posed a similar conundrum. Scull notes that Thorazine, which psychiatrists viewed as a godsend, also improved symptoms, but at the cost of debilitating side effects such as tardive dyskinesia, a potentially permanent condition that "involves facial tics, grimacing, grunting, protrusion of the tongue, smacking of the lips, rapid jerking and spasmodic movements, or sometimes slow writhing of the limbs, torso, and fingers." Scull cites research indicating that the next generation of antipsychotic drugs, although supposedly safer and more effective, were not, on balance, much of an improvement.
The cost-benefit ratio for more commonly prescribed psychiatric drugs is likewise open to question. The studies that won approval for selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) like Prozac, Scull notes, showed modest effects on depression that were statistically significant but may not have been clinically meaningful.
In fact, as journalist Daniel Bergner explains in The Mind and the Moon, those studies suggested that SSRIs may be only slightly more effective than placebos, if that. Lithium, which Scull describes as a frequently useful treatment for what is now known as bipolar disorder, has side effects that many patients find intolerable, a point that Bergner illustrates with the story of his brother's resistance to treatment.
Even when drugs seem to work, psychiatrists cannot explain why. As Scull and Bergner both emphasize, the "chemical imbalance" story that was used to sell SSRIs was no more than a convenient fairy tale, unmoored from scientific evidence. And while lithium has been used to treat mental illness since the 1940s, its mechanism of action remains unclear.
Such uncertainty is inevitable given the tentative, empirically impoverished nature of psychiatric taxonomy, which no less an authority than Allen Frances, who oversaw the team that produced the fourth edition of the DSM, has described as "bullshit." When psychiatrists diagnose in the dark, it is no surprise that they prescribe in the dark too.
The title of Bergner's book alludes to President John F. Kennedy's dual goals of reaching the moon and using "scientific achievement" to make "the remote reaches of the mind accessible." Bergner notes that Kennedy—who "was haunted by the story of his intellectually disabled, lobotomized sister, long confined, concealed, and unvisited in a midwestern institution"—was especially excited about new antipsychotic medications that he thought would enable "the mentally ill to be successfully and quickly treated in their own communities and returned to a useful place in society."
That did not happen. While Scull pins the failure of deinstitutionalization on neglect by tightfisted politicians, pervasive and persistent ignorance about the problems that sent people to sprawling state mental hospitals surely bears some of the blame. As ambitious mental health specialists ranging from 19th century alienists to Insel have discovered, the mysteries of the mind are harder to unravel than psychiatrists pretend.
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Psychiatric problems are just an imbalance of bodily humours. Usually a good dose of sulphur or wormwort tea will fix you right up. If not, you can always see a chiropractor.
I find your advice valuable. Thank you.
That’s crazy talk! Amputations and surgical mutilations based on obviously false psychological premises are the only way to do science!
Genitalia inversion solves all problems.
Glad to see i wasn't the only one who saw sullum missed dysphoria completely.
CtrlF - "gender" and CtrlF "dysphoria" - 0 results
Huh that's funny. At a time where "the science" and "the consensus" relating to sex/gender is A) escalating (being manipulated) at an exponential rate, running rampant and doing unprecedented damage among confused/malleable children and B) squarely in the center of the culture war, news, and parents' of school aged childrens daily lives...its not mentioned at all in the context of an article questioning the legitimacy of the field.
Very interesting. Looks like yet another of reason's "cant make the left look bad!" when they are clearly the most egregious offender.
Not saying something says more than saying something because someone can fill in what the person really meant when they didn't say anything and then call them a liar when they do say something that conflicts with what was imagined.
Poor sarc.
So happy his ex got away. Good for her.
What in teh world possessed the woman in the first place?
My guess is the drugs he brags about as a cook. Then she sobered up.
Ah, he must have gotten drunk again and fired and had no money to buy more drugs.
Not calling out the most egregious, rampant example...yes sarc, this says a LOT.
Would be like doing a piece on young black men dying by homicide and only mentioning the Arbery case, and a couple police shootings while not even mentioning the other 99% of deaths that occur at the hands of other young black men. One would think, in this scenario, that the author has a specific agenda by leaving out the most rampant, most relevant, and most important cause of young black men dying by completely ignoring it.
But you know this, you are as always just running more cover for other left wing apologists
He refuses to acknowledge selection bias as a form of bias.
Either that or he's just not incapable of understanding relevance in arguments. I mean, he's using such poor examples below to justify his position that I really think he's just not smart enough to get it.
Agreed.
I didn't see you decrying baby rape. You must rape babies. See? I can do it too.
Just to clarify, you're saying if somebody was to say "Blacks came here from Africa to do jobs that others would not do", that would NOT be missing any context?
I never saw you decry microwaving kittens to death. How many kittens have you killed?
I never saw sarc making sense until a few days ago, some random comment was actually relevant. But still wrong. When called out, he resumed character.
I never saw you decry microwaving kittens to death. How many kittens have you killed?
I'm opposed to microwaving kittens because you can never get that smell out of an otherwise perfectly good microwave.
The article had nothing to do with baby rape. That’s just a disingenuous and pseudo-intellectual analogy.
The point is when an article addresses a subject matter and ignores a large portion of relevant information concerning that subject matter, there are two options: 1) the person didn’t know the additional information; or 2) the person purposefully ignored it.
Much of the time it is option 2. A great example is John Oliver’s takedown on gas taxes. He had a segment that talked about how terrible it was that the federal government hasn’t raised gas taxes for something like 40 years. He then did comparisons with European countries on gas tax. He then lamented the state of road infrastructure in this country. He did all this in his normal elitist, righteous, condescending delivery.
Well, what was missing from this segment? Discussion of state imposed gas tax. And of course this was left out because if you included state gas tax, his righteous condescending position doesn’t nearly hold up. Thus, just ignore it.
You forgot option 3. Trying to avoid derailing the discussion.
There was a lot of interesting points here. The idea that Schizophrenia is analogous to cancer or fever, which is actually a symptom of many separate issues, not an actual cause.
Now, I think he should at least have mentioned it, even if it was a statement "I don't want to derail this into a discussion of dysphoria, but the points raised here could affect that debate significantly".
Another major concern is that psychiatric diagnoses has been known to follow pop-culture fads. Most notably, dissociative identity disorder was a niche and rare diagnosis until it hit Hollywood and diagnoses of multiple personalities spiked. Now, I have heard some psychiatrists question whether it even exists at all. Is this how we should be running our medical system?
Seriously Jimbo, why do you rape babies? You never said you didn't, so that means you do you sick fuck.
this counter point would score if:
- I was writing an article about the many issues babies are currently facing
- baby rape had increased significantly in the last couple years, on an exponential increase
- baby rape was a hot political topic, with the left and right diametrically opposed with one against, the other thinking its a good thing. Its in the news, on TV shows, and argued over in school board (day care?) meetings
- In my article I never mention baby rape
Then you would have a better rationale to argue that I don't want this topic to come up because of my political leanings.
Seriously, all this time you spend pal'ing around with BP, Jeff et al has made you argue on their level (which is somewhere around a high school sophomore).
Now you're back peddling after being caught you baby raping liar.
Youre being generous with the sophomore level description.
Seriously, all this time you spend pal’ing around with BP, Jeff et al has made you argue on their level (which is somewhere around a high school sophomore).
You've been palling around with ML and JesseAz for so long you think it's perfectly reasonable to make up what other people believe, argue against it, and then call them liars when they point out what they actually think.
In short you're a piece of shit.
“Now you’re back peddling after being caught you baby raping liar.”
After being dunked on for your retarded argument, you fail to respond, then repeat it. I mean that’s fine, but just making you look worse
“In short you’re a piece of shit.”
You probably aren’t wrong there. An asshole, for sure
"After being dunked on for your retarded argument"
It was called hyperbole. The only retard here is you. Sorry.
“You probably aren’t wrong there. An asshole, for sure”
Making stuff up and arguing against it takes a real piece of shit. At least you own it.
No, hyperbole is exaggeration to demonstrate a point. You fabricated something that Jimbo never said and never argued. That's called "Making stuff up and arguing against it"
Seriously, do you ever read what you post? It would be so easy not to own goal yourself and yet you do it every single fucking time.
It was generous of Reason, then, to provide a comment section, free of charge, where you can expand on what was said in the article with your own thoughts. Maybe take a minute and express your gratitude to them.
Why? Does your life require you sucking up to other people? Do you think doing so validates your beliefs?
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest." -- Adam Smith
Perhaps you should be more careful what you lie about.
Reason has nothing to gain with these comments. All they do is show how retarded conservatives reflexively believe any disagreement with their far-right views equals total support for everything leftist.
Engagement by readers is one of the largest metrics media enterprises use to gain advertising. Comment sections are a meaningful component of that calculus.
Additionally, providing a comment section entices people to keep coming back and further engage with the website; as is clearly demonstrated by the massive number of repeat commenters here (me included).
These are all very self-interested aspects for Reason as a company.
Where "disagreement with their far-right views" means "arguing in favor of surgically removing healthy genital tissue from underage children after arresting their pubertal development with drugs." Maybe you wouldn't get called out for supporting everything leftist if you didn't spend 12-16 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks per year, for over a decade defending everything leftist and posting ActBlue PDF talking points. Have you considered that at all?
It isn't clear at all why Reason Foundation continues to spend money on the comments section of the website. I have had a Reason executive tell me they hide the comments section by default on purpose because it is embarrassing. Just about two weeks ago several of the writers were having a discussion on Twitter about how awful the Reason comments are.
You sad sycophant.
Reason keeps this comment section open because it generates the interest that generates what little money the site pulls in anymore.
Without the libertarians in the comments there would be nothing here for libertarians to read.
Sure you have.
And we have all seen you follow enb like a puppy dog.
You know how quick the readership of Reason would die off if they got rid of the comments section?
Reason barely makes it to begin with. It’s a “Libertarian” magazine that operates on this weird progressive/libertarian fence that doesn’t have much draw from anyone. It would work much better as a classical liberal website, but that's not the route the apparently want to take. So instead, they keep up with this weird hybrid of perspective.
Lol, Episiarch is a very important person, you see. He hobnobs with the Reason executives!
No, you don’t understand. Jimbo can read minds.
No, Jimbo can read words. Those are reflections of thoughts. We use them to communicate ideas. Reading a person's words is all you really need to do.
So what? The blog piece didn't mention obsessive-compulsive disorder and a host of other psychiatric diagnoses either. Dysphoria just means feeling bad.
Oh. There isn't a while medical industry and media industry growing based on promoting dysphoria? Not a big deal yo cut up and drug kids? No noticing the exploding detransitioj rates of young adults with permanent health problems caused by this?
Oh. Glad we can ignore it.
Even if it were burgeoning to the degree you think, it's only recent, and not many books would be out about it. Jacob was writing about phenomena of much longer standing.
What Jacob didn't say is more important than what he did say because that allows JesseAz to fill in the blanks and then say "Liar liar!" if Jacob contracts the voices in JesseAz's head. Does that mental illness have a name?
The mental illness where you lie about what other people have said because you're a stupid piece of shit who can't even comprehend the topic under discussion? We used to just call it "retardation." They have more polite euphemisms for it now.
The effect is immediate. It is happening now. Kids are being effected now. Many books have been published about it with the left asking places like Amazon to censor them. It has been going on a long time, since the 70s, it has only exploded the last decade.
Studies done of liberal arts schools showing places like Smith having 60% of their population declaring themselves dysphoric and on a gender spectrum.
They are now embedded in corporations and government pushing DEI and ESG policies.
People have lost jobs and even been arrested over misgendering in countries.
Saying it is a miniscule effect is being ignorant.
^head buried in sand
You have no idea what Roberta thinks about children who claim to have gender dysphoria.
What a non sequitur. Read what he responded to dummy.
Mike L., it's not about what I think about children who claim to have gender dysphoria. Rather, it's what I think about Jacob Sullum's not including in this piece anything about children who claim to have gender dysphoria. Which is...nothing.
I have friends nearby whose daughter is now their son, who last I saw on Facebook was growing beard — which means she's taking drugs. Which to me is very sad, but I expect in a few years she and everyone else swept up in this fad will come to their senses and realize it's a complete repudiation of women's lib.
But I'm living with a longtime libertarian activist who some of you probably know of, maybe even from his days with the Radical Libertarian Alliance in 1970, and 3 weeks ago he suddenly became demented. And that's no fad. I think there are far more cases like his than of "hirs".
“Mike L., it’s not about what I think about children who claim to have gender dysphoria.”
I hope you can see that that was what I was trying to say to Jimbo.
The people in these comments think they’re clever when they point out something someone didn’t say, and then they explain why the person didn’t say it. They’ll go into long explanations as to the person’s thoughts, motivations, and beliefs, all based upon what was not said. Then if that person dares to contradict what was said about them, they accuse the person of lying.
Yeah, they accuse someone of being a liar when the person contradicts the voices in their head. Talk about mental illness.
"Talk about mental illness." -- sarc
Yes, a lot of comments here have been about your mental illness, aka drunk.
Says the guy who thinks that wages are profit. Retard.
Says the guy who doesn't understand the concept "earnings".
May as well go through this again.
Suppose you own a bakery with one employee whom you pay a wage. What do you pay yourself? After all, you have to make enough money above expenses to live on.
You pay yourself the profits, duh. The profits are your wage. They are the bakery's earnings.
Suppose you started the bakery with a loan. Do you pay back just the loan? No, you pay back interest too. That interest is the lender's earnings.
Suppose this lender is an individual not named Sharkey. He has loaned money to quite a few businesses, all of which pay him back both capital and interest, aka earnings. He has enough loans out that he can live off the interest payments. Those earnings are his profits, and also his wages.
See how simple that is?
By the way, thanks for agreeing with my comment. If the only thing you can respond with is a retarded insult then the content of my post must be true!
<blockquote. If the only thing you can respond with is a retarded insult then the content of my post must be true!
You mean like when you lied about what JesseAz said and then called him a retard, or like when you call anyone who fails to support any given radical Marxist political cause a Trumpista? Jesus Christ sarc, go sober up you pathetic child molesting cretin.
You don’t understand. Sullum didn’t put enough culture warrioring into his article. Not culture warrioring 24/7 is inexcusable.
Pointing out the hypocrisy of supporting puberty blockers and genital surgery for underage children and adolescents while claiming that psychiatric diagnoses are invalid and imprecise is not culture warrioring, Episiarch. It's called reading.
I think the controversies surrounding repressed memories and multiple personality disorder, which clearly followed pop culture, would be worth mentioning at the very least. This was a very targeted article, to the point of leaving out a lot of very important topics.
"This was a very targeted article"
Yes, it is what the journalism community calls a "book review". In keeping with that genre the article discussed matters that were discussed in the books being reviewed.
I took note of that too. Sullum completely breezed over it even though it's one of the biggest problems in psychiatry today - too many shrinks deciding that the best option for treating issues is to change someone's immutable sex.
It gets a lot of attention because it's a fad and a matter of public controversy, but I assure you that compared to affective disorders it's a drop in the bucket.
If they say it’s the most important problem in the world, then that means it’s the most important problem in the world. If you disagree, try to minimize it, or just don't talk about it, then that means you fully support it. That makes you a hardcore leftist who supports all things leftist.
That’s how they think. Seriously.
No, but when you lie about it in order to minimize it and then go on at length for hundreds of comments supporting it, then that means you fully support it. If you're tired of being called out for supporting radical Marxist ideology you should consider not defending and vocally supporting radical Marxist ideology.
It is a sign of a very visible slippery slope on the whole "treating a problem" as opposed to "maiming somebody".
Very much so, and it's a very visible one currently as well. Were this a few decades ago, we could have used lobotomy as the prime example. These psychiatrists are recommending that people irreversibly get maimed so to satisfy what is a passing phase. It's irresponsible.
I applaud his pragmatic sense of self preservation.
Shackford and ENB might have to discipline him otherwise.
Which self?
If there's one psychosis they do treat properly, it's the one where you believe you were born "in the wrong body".
https://twitter.com/illtakemystand1/status/1607711548734144513?t=mQjBQmIZYA6hyv_1IaGfgg&s=19
Interesting – Leftists are shorter, uglier, weaker, less masculine, and less capable of fighting. They are more likely to exhibit manipulative, self-serving, and generally antisocial personality traits, including spite, narcissism, and psychopathy.
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Like the antagonist in The Fountainhead. Wrapping themselves in false academia as a means to underhanded power.
These psychiatric problems can obviously be treated with trepanning.
For mild depression or anxiety, fresh air and sunshine and exercise and socializing (the things that were banned during the lockdowns) will help as much as the prescribed meds.
My biggest problem is that all the voices in my head now only speak Spanish.
Whatever you do, NEVER take "talk therapy" from the voices in your head! Especially when they tell you to take TOO MUCH LSD!
¿Qué están diciendo?
Huh?
¿Qué?
Oh go back to Spain, you lousy waiter!
Chinga tu madre, gringo!
Oh oh, I rattled you enough to leave off the opening "¡" -- sorry 'bout that!
🙂
LOL!
Oh fuck. Am I just a voice in your head??
Donde las putas?
¡Sostén mi cerveza y mira esto!
¿Dónde está mi emparedado ?
ENB hasn't posted her obligatory article on sex workers yet today.
Qué es un sándwich cubano
Once Queen — Now Corpse
Psychiatry once was the queen of medicine. Now it is the corpse. From 1945 to 1970, psychiatrists embraced the non-scientific psychoanalytic model, which led the field to stardom. Then it became the so-called invalid biopsychosocial model, which still reigns supreme and has led the field to disaster. Unfortunately, psychiatrists have ignored the truly biobehavioral model, which can lead to a new coronation of the field. For a detailed presentation of the last, see the semi-fictional novel, Inescapable Consequences.
The forbidden theory is that a LOT (not all, just a LOT) of mental problems are... Your own damned fault! Megalomania and disregard for others (in the so-called "dark triad") come to mind. And THEN they go in for "talk therapy" and... LIE to their therapists!!! "I am right and great and grand, and the rest of the world is full of shit, and-or, out to get me, and so I will take NO advice from ANYONE! I am already perfect!" ... And then I will wonder why crap-and-stuff doesn't turn out well for me, in the long run!
Oh, and, PS... Now y'all (AND "society" at large) all need to "validate my feelings", no matter HOW fucked up, counter-productive, self-defeating, and inconsiderate of others my "feelings" and I are... Because ALL feelings are valid! Don't be JUDGMENTAL, now!!! Don't STIGMATIZE me!!!
(So say lots of therapists, that is. ALL feelings are valid... Except, apparently, my feelings that this kind shit IS often a bunch of shit, and I WILL go right ahead and harshly judge SOME kinds of the "mentally ill", who will NOT listen, because they are already perfect in every way. So don't stigmatize me for my judgmentalism; it's not MY fault!)
Needs more all caps. Remember the capslock key is cruise control for cool.
SURE THING, OH PERFECT ONE! YOUR WISH IS MY COMMAND!
Thanks.
Just a little more caps lock. You don't seem quite deranged enough yet today.
Hasn't had Uber Eats deliver his excrement this morning.
Show me anyone today who takes "megalomania" seriously as a medical diagnosis.
The Resistance and all the psychiatrists who diagnosed Trump?
Reason?
https://reason.com/2020/08/05/trumps-naked-megalomania-continues-a-bipartisan-trend/
Show me anyone today who takes “evil” seriously as a medical diagnosis. So then I guess that there is NO need at ALL, to worry about the problems of evil?
SOME few renegade shrinks in the past HAVE diagnosed and addressed evil! And GINORMOUS “infallible” egos (along with needless cruelty, delight in cruelty) are indeed root causes and-or symptoms of evil! It’s an old book by now, but still, I much recommend it… M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie …. https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
Fuck off and die, spastic asshole.
Evil's a concern, all right, but at least it's not a medical one.
"Psychiatrists Do Not Know What They Are Treating"... They do NOT understand much about what they are doing! So WHY should we attribute ANY magic, to what they call, and do not call, a medical diagnosis? Is there NOTHING wrong with Putin's brain right now?
"Opinions are like assholes... Everyone has one!" This is true of shrinks just like anyone else! M. Scott Peck saw the "shrinkistic" aspects of evil, and he WAS a credentialed, degreed, certified, and experienced practicing shrink! He just got out-voted by all the other shrinks, is all. So "evil" isn't in the medical manuals. It just as easily could be.
"Dark Triad" = narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy... Which ARE generally recognized these days as "medical problems", and the combination spells much about E-V-I-L, evil! https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dark-triad
If I chose to act this way, of my own free will, it is my own free will decision to do so. There is NO biochemical or neurological test that can reliably test for this, either. They've not yet invented a pill to fix Putin... Or Trump either!
What evil? Are we just mixing science and religion now?
Oh Wise One, please illuminate us all, and draw a precise line between the two. Please keep in mind that there are examples of what they call "science", that can NOT be tested in ANY way! To validate certain types of theories about "string theory", we'd have to build a circular particle collider whose diameter would roughly match the orbit of the now-non-planet Pluto!
Is narcissism good or bad? Is that a religious question, or a scientific question? Can it possibly be both? If we test people for how happy they are, or at least, how happy they report themselves to be, and compare narcissists v/s non-narcissists... Maybe also measure their long-term achievements in life, and how well others around them like them... then can this not be called "science", every bit as much as psychology is today?
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy works well for a lot of minor psychological problems. Just change your thought patterns, and stop worrying about the things you can't control and focus on the things you can. Sort of like the old Stoic philosophy from two millennia ago....
Yes, this! And...
God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer
Did anyone have a doubt that sarcasmic was going to shit up a thread about mental illness demonstrating his multiple and various mental illnesses?
Just remember that we love you anyway, Jacob. You just helped me think about that, and I'm feeling better too.
Interesting.
Reason is now disappearing twitter links...
Spam remains, but Reason can't allow links to a free speech site no longer controlled by Reason's masters in the deep state
Testing
https://twitter.com/ENBrown/status/1601256561086988289
Reason commenters make up a very small percentage of our readership, and are largely people who hate everyone on staff and all of our work, on any subject. They’re in now way representative of “libertarian audiences” overall
Let me try it again
https://twitter.com/ACLUTx/status/1608268313418928131?t=EgZfze1xiEqbKNWhWY0Yzg&s=19
Stop attacking trans youth.
Stop attacking trans youth.
Stop attacking trans youth.
Stop attacking trans youth.
Stop attacking trans youth.
Very weird
Yeah, just bear this little comment in mind next year when the Reason staff come around telling you how much they value you, the reader and could you please see fit to make a generous contribution to their important work?
We don't hate everyone on the Reason staff, we just think most of them have abandoned libertarian principles, or are hiding them to try to gain the approval of leftists. Most of the staff occasionally write pretty good articles. Only a few are wrong all the time.
They’re in now way representative of “libertarian audiences” overall
Interesting typo.
https://twitter.com/emmaogreen/status/1608213041371299841?t=IwlUYmjm_XRn5EDIQTQPOQ&s=19
The public-health left does not hesitate to use strong language: not masking is a form of white supremacy. The Biden administration has made its decisions at the command of big business. Perhaps most shocking: The CDC is eugenicist. (4/x)
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Hmm
So it just ate the ACLU's tweet about "trans youth"
No talking badly about the most libertarian pro government (if run by Dems) ever.
ACLU? You sure they weren't misspelling "trance youth"?
https://twitter.com/TIMEHistory/status/1608070633451130880?t=MUG35_Hgjt8Dw6dSnxuLTA&s=19
The White Supremacist Origins of Exercise, and 6 Other Surprising Facts About the History of U.S. Physical Fitness
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MOAR FRIED CHICKEN!
This is another data point, much like the dems arguing that the only way to improve black lives is for them to have more access to abortion (when their abortions are significantly outpacing every other race), that just makes me scratch my head and think...are they just openly trying to do eugenics on blacks?
Like seriously. They are simultaneously encouraging abortion in a population that is over-using abortion massively compared to every other race, and for the ones that make it out the birth canal, its "oh honey, you are perfect at 500lbs with 0 exercise capacity, getting winded when you climb a single flight of stairs! Slay queen! Anyone who tells you to get in shape is a white supremacist bigot!"...
This stuff is objectively, without a doubt, actually murdering black people....I mean like what the literal fuck...
Nothing says "elite" like a subordinated and dependent pet group.
Basically. There's this big pretense that the 'party of slavery' 'switched places' with the GOP . . . apparently sometime *post 1964 CRA* . . . but all that's really happened is that they've hidden their true motivations from even themselves.
No better way to destroy a people that to convince your own that you're helping them and to never let up no matter how much they scream.
"dems arguing that the only way to improve black lives is for them to have more access to abortion"
Not a way, but the "only" way. Please cite someone arguing that.
Sure just skip over the fact that democrats are rabidly pushing to ensure African Americans have unlimited access to abortion (far above what is available in most countries) while they already compete (and sometimes win, depending on the year) for the #1 most represented race in aborting their children despite being a small demographic (13ish %)....because I used an inaccurate qualifier and perhaps too much hyperbole.
So pat yourself on the back, you scored a point on semantics while foregoing any attempt to debate the substance. Which is usually what people do when...they cant
So you are conceding that you thoughtlessly inserted the word “only” into your sentence.
Are you conceding that this is the only part of my statement you are bothering to argue with because you cant counter the actual substance, so you are distracting?
I was focusing on that one thing because it was odd.
Physical fitness programs in schools were mostly implemented with the goal of improving the government's stock of draft age men.
The signs of psychosis do have such blurry edges that it's hard to accept them as diseases. On the other hand, they are so reproducible that it'd be even harder to accept them as a result of cognitive developments. If you were told to appear as if something were going wrong with your brain, and you had no instruction about or experience with psychotics, chances are very slim that you'd produce what a psychiatrist would diagnose as an affective disorder or schizophrenia. The patterns these things fall into compel the conception that they result from particular categories of things going on wrong in the brain and are not simply the result of wrong thinking.
It's the same way I think about biologic evolution. Many steps in biologic evolution look far-fetched as the product of purely physical-biologic processes, but overall substituting some other process would be even more implausible.
https://twitter.com/AuronMacintyre/status/1608453553580048385?t=iZhQgnOWeWRXum54qK50IQ&s=19
Remember when New Atheists thought abandoning Christianity would free science from the shackles of religion?
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Remember when the New Atheists destroyed themselves over a women being asked for coffee in an elevator?
If these are The Most Rational People (*cough* looking at you Sam Harris *cough*) I'll take the traditionally religious any day of the week. At least I know what I'm dealing with.
Two New Atheists walk into an elevator...
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1608477945705684992?t=dxBB3liHWWgGnRbul363xw&s=19
One of the reasons I ran for office was to confront the existential threat climate change poses to our nation and to the world.
With the signing of the Inflation Reduction Act, we took the biggest step towards that goal in American history.
The amount of insanity required to read this tweet with approval is off the charts.
There are layers of delusion and deception here.
There is no inflation, but we passed the inflation reduction act to confront climate change.
Sounds legit.
New rule: people who claim an impending human catastrophe to justify drastic measures have to kill themselves when the predicted catastrophe fails to happen.
^this.
And I believe we can retroactively apply it for past transgressions. Specifically the constant "global warming will kill us in 10-20 years" going back many decades, and special inclusion for the "global cooling will kill us" fad too.
Y2K gets a pass, as that seemed to be mass retardation that didn't have a specific agenda
was a damn funny Simpsons Halloween sketch though.
I wonder how he feels about his transportation sec flying private (astronomical use of fuel compared to commercial), on the taxpayer dime.
Weird, because I was told I should reduce MY carbon footprint. It almost seems like they dont actually give a shit about it if it would cause them any inconvenience at all
Could he pick a worse analogy? You actually can derive diagnostic categories from the nature of chest pain (stable vs. unstable angina pectoris) or the progress of fevers!
I've been treated by a psychiatrist for mental disorders. I have been medicated despite never being precisely diagnosed. Of course, it didn't fix anything in me. Eventually, I found my own way of getting better and it was awakening my religious life. This helped me to be better off than anything else. I don't consider myself 100% healthy and probably never will be but at least I am clearly better now and not spending a fortune that I cannot afford.
I pray daily, I make frequent use of the sacraments of penitence and eucharist (Catholic), and am very careful how I expose myself to content (Internet, cinema, news, etc.) and the wrong kind of people that do not help preserve and grow my present faith. My life is not perfect but this approach was a life changer for me. It works!
Good for you! Whatever works for you (that doesn't hurt others)... Works for you!
M. Scott Peck used talk therapy to guide some people (or talked them through it, not being bossy, but by listening and suggesting, by asking, Socrates-style) towards religion, and some people away from it. Much of it depends on how you grew up... Did you learn a rigid, bossy, inflexible religion at home? Then some of us are better off putting it behind. Do you feel empty, rootless, purposeless? Then maybe religion is for you.
M. Scott Peck "The Road Less Traveled" https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743243153/reasonmagazinea-20/
It is likely more tied to funding a common community and support system, religion being one of them, and setting active goals you can achieve like praying daily. Religion was long held as the source of these effects and glad you found substance in it.
But similar effects can be found in other areas as well. But more and more kids and adults are isolating themselves away from community, causing this explosion.
"But similar effects can be found in other areas as well."
I have seen some people bizarrely addicted to crossfit and often thought it seemed like a secular religion in its own way. But those folks are often in great shape, happy, and get a lot of the community/social benefits, so more power to them.
I mostly worry about their often poor form when lifting and their lumbar spines.
Personal self-empowerment guided by a moral framework which doesn't depend on government or external human authority "approval". Sounds downright Constitutional.
Structure and meaning.
Concerning the writer's experience with self-critical "voices" in his head, I also recommend the book "Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy" by David D. Burns, M.D. It is a very simple method for retraining your inner running voice to a more productive mode. I almost never catch myself running myself down destructively any more, and rarely have to remind myself to shift my self-criticism to constructive criticism these days after reading the first few chapters.
Thanks for the recommendation. Found a similar use with NLP in my late 20s. Forced me to be active in fixing my thoughts.
There is a significant percentage of the human population that never hear the "voices" in their heads and don't know what the rest of us mean by the non-stop conversation taking place between our ears.
Always considered the 'conversations' to simply be consciousness and self-awareness. Pretty sure the spastic asshole never has voices telling him 'that's really stupid'.
I'll take the voices.
Always considered the ‘conversations’ to simply be consciousness and self-awareness.
Yeah, I always called the one that would retrieve facts outside the current news cycle "memory".
It was the one that was telling me that 200+ yrs. of diffusion mechanics, 100+ yrs. of diagnostic testing statistics, 100+ yrs. of vaccine science was real and the various 'mask/don't mask', 'stay 6 ft. apart and don't go outside', 'MOAR TESTING!', 'vaccines work if you change the definition of vaccine' were mass schizophrenic idiocy by people who didn't have working memories.
Speaking of things Sullum doesn’t mention in the article (how dare he!), he doesn’t go into how much the DSM has become something that is just there to suit the purposes of insurance company bureaucracy.
To get them to pay for psychological counseling the insurance companies need a diagnostic code.
Actual patients are unique in their psychology. They never quite fit the diagnostic criteria or they have bits of multiple recognized conditions, but the psychologist needs to come up with some code for the billing statement.
Although insurance companies seem to have adopted the DSM to make coverage decisions, it was originally intended only for the purpose of standardizing research criteria. Since researchers want to be able to compare studies, it helps to use the same criteria for inclusion in their study designs. It was never intended to be used by practitioners to make a diagnosis for things that had not yet been adequately studied scientifically. The history of medicine is replete with prescientific treatment - i.e. speculative treatments for conditions that were not well-understood scientifically and almost the entire materia medica now is so messed up that it is unlikely that we will clear up the unscientific mess we now have any time soon. Psychiatric science has been disappointing so far but it doesn't mean we should not continue to study it scientifically.
Sigh. It's the same old story that big projects tend to take on a life of their own, forgetting original purpose. Happens all the time.
Have you ever said something actually interesting or useful here?
the voices in my head are taller and better looking ... jerks.
As Ian Hunter said - You're never alone with a schizophrenic.
it's just another night.
I only take psychiatric advice seriously if it's delivered while jumping up and down on a couch.
I was periodically troubled by harshly critical voices
And they all sounded like Donald Trump.
Sullum's been under treatment for that for quite a while; hasn't helped a bit.
Sometimes, stupid can't be cured.
Speaking of failures of the psychiatry community, where's Jackie?
I think that the criticism of SSRIs ignores a very salient point.
We no longer see end-stage depression on the same level or frequency. This is where otherwise healthy people lose the desire to live and just wait to die. Psychiatrists of the time of their introduction saw the improvement and were willing to prescribe the first generation of antidepressants despite the severe side effects. Perhaps they are overprescribed on minor situations. However, that's not the same as saying that they have no effects.
Strangely, though, suicide rates continue to increase, and studies not produced by drug companies show that SSRIs, and newer antidepressants, are no more effective against "depression" than placebos. Is there a better measure of "end-stage depresson" than the choice to kill one's self? Psychiatrists are still reported to have a much higher suicide rate than the general population. Either the drugs don't work or psychiatrists don't take them.
https://medium.com/invisible-illness/psychiatrists-have-the-highest-suicide-rate-of-any-profession-its-time-to-do-something-about-it-7d63e2f2fe21
All drugs should be available OTC, without a prescription, and without the federal government subsidizing them. Let people take what they want when they want. As in all things, no one is a better judge of how to help themselves than the person in question.
Ah, but ostensibly libertarian Reason has, in the recent past, featured both an interview and an article by psychiatrist Sally Satel, whose state position is that "force is the best medicine" to use on people she labels "addicts."
Reason interviewed the impure!!!
But...but...but, we all know that cannabis caaauuussses schizophrenia. (Wink, wink)
That reminds me of an old med school joke! What's the difference among a neurologist, a neurosurgeon, and a psychiatrist?
A neurologist knows everything and does nothing. A neurosurgeon does everything and knows nothing. A psychiatrist does nothing and knows nothing!
No, it's "The Internists say "What should we do???" the Surgeons say "What have we done!?!?!?!?"
Other version was "Flea (Internist) knows everything and does nothing, Surgeon knows nothing and does everything, Pathologist knows everything and does everything, but too late!" (never sure why Internists are considered so "Smart" (Geeks, yes, Smart, no) when they usually have mediocre records, while Surgeons have higher class ranks and actually do more Internal medicine on their surgical patients than Fleas do on healthy ones.
Has something changed recently (unlikely, because he is dead), or is Thomas Szasz still regarded as a disaffected misfit?
What's changed is that Reason now rejects Szasz's contentions (Sullum excepted). Szasz was never "disaffected" because he never believed that psychiatry was science or that the state had the legitimate authority to treat people involuntarily.
This. Szasz still treated patients, but only with words, and only voluntarily.
1. All mental illnesses have organic causes.
2. We can't effectively define what those illnesses are.
3. And we can't generally identify the causes, nor resolve them when we do.
Other than that, everything is just peachy.
1. All human behavior has an organic cause.
Get off on the wrong foot and nothing that follows can be good.
1. All human behavior has an organic cause.
Yes, obviously. Try to behave without a brain.
"Try to behave without a brain."
You mean like sea urchins and their varying responses to light?
Still on that wrong foot? Might want to revisit your starting point.
Sullum, and maybe one other, are the last of those at reason who are skeptical of the therapeutic state. Reason even runs pieces by a pro-drug war psychiatrists and a long-time staffer who advocates "mental health" agents acting as pseudo-police. Of course that is because they are there to help. Not a word is printed about the hundreds of thousands of Americans detained annually on mental health pretexts rather than alleged crimes. The decline of Reason, which now seems irrevocable, is matched by the dismal
contributions to the comment section.
I think the biggest swing and miss from Sullum here is the failure of psychiatry to even be able to touch ideas like mass hysteria, even within its own ranks. Schizophrenia or MPD or whatever is bad, but if you’re surrounded by stable personalities in a stable society, it’s easier to deal with than the libertine shifting sands of whatever fad currently curries political favor.
If in 2015, *everyone* recognized *and overwhelmingly agreed* that masking little kids is bad for their social, emotional, and intellectual development, that we don’t treat anorexics with liposuction, we don’t treat Napoleon Complexes with more bicorne hats or trannies with more dresses and access to women’s spaces, and we don’t treat body dismorphia by chopping off limbs en masse.... then in 2019, because mysophobia, Munchausen Syndrome, victim complexes, and mass hysteria we mask and socially isolate children, force women into undesired and uncomfortable second tiers in social situations, and sexualize and cut childrens’ genitals off on their whim... even the completely sane person, suffering no schizophrenia or mental defect, is going to see not just psychiatry as a failure, but large swaths of Western Society as having mental diseases actively induced upon it.
Your schizophrenia won’t just be untreatable, it will be unrecognizable or even considered exceptionally good. There will be no normal world for you to quiet the voices and settle into. *Everyone* will have the chorus of CDC, FBI, AMA, WHO, ALA, GLAAD, NAMBLA, etc., etc., etc. singing in their ears, judging their character, and attempting to discern the truth about which voices are real or right will be a crime.
Well said. I find it evidence that while Sullum may be an idiot and often grossly dishonest he is not mentally ill, because he knows a hawk from a handsaw and also which way the proggressive wind blows.
Subservient, but not crazy.
As one who graduated near the bottom of my class, was encouraged to go into Shrink-chiatry, as it was one of the least competitive (went into one of the supposedly dead end specialties of the 90's, Anesthesia, because I like the OR and wearing Scrubs) Long way of saying Shrinks aren't usually the sharpest guys in the class, and what could be so complicated about an Organ with billions of cells, synapses, ganglia, nuclei (love that word) Chiasms, Aqueducts, Foramens, just throw some Prozac or Ready Kilowatt at it and (don't) call me in the morning,
Frank "Don't bother me, I'm sleeping"
Psychiatry solves this problem of treating an extremely complicated, and marginally understood body organ by instead treating the more nebulous and largely undefined thing called the human mind.
Self selected is what they are.
I think Schizophrenia is evident in most of the posts I've just read.
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How for example do the choices we make, like lying, affect our mental health?
Before WW1 Sigmund Freud worked with his nephew Edward Bernays to reverse engineer psychosis to be used for propaganda aka brainwashing.
It has been perfected for over 100 years.
Today we are routinely entertained by propaganda. Stories are made emotional, so the facts aka truth aka reality don’t matter. Then we are lied to, to coerce us with the false authority of truth to act in the liars interest instead of our own. The real purpose of propaganda.
100 years of induced psychosis was bound to have lasting effects.
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"The real purpose of propaganda."
Like the dishonest shit you often spew here, right?
I love that your Nazi-ass is so dumb that you constantly post responses to advertising bots.
And the raging level of irony your statement encompasses is almost hard to comprehend.
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https://twitter.com/aimeeterese/status/1608183167357431808?t=kQne4N-iyeMd-REKmUu6rw&s=19
The primary defining characteristic of leftism is the transgression of rights and boundaries. They don’t believe in them, they don’t respect them, they will subvert them. Leftism is thus a threat to sovereignty of every kind, because it is morally imperialist by its very nature.
The latent feeling of “civil war” in US politics points at a real political divide but it is ideological rather than geographic. Leftism is the enemy. Leftists are waging a war of parasitic annihilation against western civilisation.
They say good fences make good neighbours, well leftists reject the premise. Transgressing boundaries, squatting inside your home then using the state to grant themselves squatters rights, is how they roll. To the leftist, only leftism is recognised as possessing sovereignty.
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Dishonest! You’re dishonest.
Describe and link to anyone ever refuting the facts of what I have said.
You can’t do it because nobody has and you’re dishonest.
What’s the Gaslighting Gauleiter doing here anyway? This is an article about Schizophrenia and other mental illnesses—not Sociopathy and other personality disorders
Note that Robert Frost's poem on good fences making good neighbors was a lament; there was no need for a fence between him and his neighbor, no livestock or other wandering critters, yet his neighbor insisted on maintaining it. I no longer remember the rest of the story, if the neighbor insisted they split the cost or what.
But it was not a poem proclaiming the glories of fences. Your author makes the same mistake almost everybody makes, and it reminds me a lot of the misquote about shouting fire in a theater.
The problem is, they're not so much "leftists" any more as they are authoritarians/totalitarians. Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald are of the left, yet they are anti-authoritarian. Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney are of the right, but they are also authoritarian. The struggle of now and the near future can be framed best as authoritarian versus libertarian. And if we don't win, the future of humanity will be that of a head under a jackboot.
And how 'the exception proves the rule'.
His neighbor obviously felt differently about it. Frost is a crybaby.
What, you want me to link to the entirety of post war analysis and the personal recollections of over a hundred million people?
Pretty sure Reason doesn't have enough server space for the volume of information, written or remembered, that refutes you.
If you can’t refute what I say, you can’t say that I’m being dishonest.
Your platitudes are meaningless.
You know what I’ve specifically said many times, so refute it or admi your dishonesty.
It’s that simple.
Have you ever wondered why every topic becomes a rant about Nazis with these jokers who can’t refute what they deny or prove what they claim?
It’s a repetitious meme that intentionally leaves no room for critical thinking.
Research brainwashing.
https://www.wikihow.com/Recognize-and-Avoid-Brainwashing
Even after explaining it to you many times, you STILL don’t know why I post here.
I like feeding you bleating trolls evidence of truth with correctly applied logic and science that you can’t refute and laughing every time you choke on it. Hahaha.
You obviously have strong feelings for me. Much to your chagrin they have no effect on me. It’s on you.
I would be inconsolable if any of you fuckwits ever refuted anything that I’ve said. Hahaha.
I already told you a personal anecdote from my Grandfather who was a German/English translator for the 11th at Bergen Belsen, and you freaked out and started calling me a liar because it didn't mesh with the lies you've devoted yourself to like a zealot.
I realized then that pictures, video and the testimony of hundreds of thousands of soldiers mean jack shit to you, because you've decided it's all some enormous conspiracy. So all the pictures and movies are staged, and the innumerable testimonies are fake.
You can't be convinced because you're part of the lie. You've imbued it and made it part of who and what you are.
So you admit that you can’t refute what I have said and it sounds like I refuted what you said.
Cmon, post a link to that discourse, for shits and giggles. Hahaha.
You’re calling my initial comment “trolling”! That’s not your usual schtick. Hahaha
Oh look, Nazi piece of shit posts more lies and deluded statements. At least Nazi piece of shit responded to an actual person and not a advertising bot this time.
Bleat naaazi sheeple.
Yup, you are a nazi sheep. At least you can admit it.
Actually, everything you claim is so massively refuted that it's actually comical you pretend otherwise. But, I guess when Nazis are your heroes, reality has to go out the window.
But you can’t prove your claim with a simple description and link.
Hahaha
You’re dishonest.
No, you're the dishonest one. You're just too big of a Nazi loving antisemite to see it.