One Foot off the Grid, Where We Don't Have To Deal With the City Water Department
Living without government services isn't necessarily cheaper or easier, but it sure beats putting up with municipal bureaucracies.

When our water was turned off one morning last January, we assumed it was due to the sinkhole slowly expanding across the width of our single-lane street in South Philadelphia. But we could only guess, as no one answered the phone at the Philadelphia Water Department, and the first city employee didn't show up on our street until four hours after the taps died. When one of my elderly neighbors asked how long it would take to restore service, the city guy said his crews were swamped. It took 27 hours.
With spotlights shining into the house and construction equipment rattling our walls, my wife and I spent most of that night wondering where we could go for a reprieve with a 2-month-old in below-freezing weather. North Carolina was an obvious place.
We moved there for my wife's new job, which she took so we could raise our son near family. Never again having to navigate the Philly Water Department's automated hotline was a bonus. Then we fell in love with a 1960s ranch house in an unincorporated township north of Durham, and I started to dream a little bigger: Better government is nice, but isn't less government even better? As of September, I no longer have to deal with any city's water department, because we have a well and a septic tank, as do lots of folks out in the county.
Like publicly maintained water systems in big cities, however, wells break. Ours pumped a hearty eight gallons a minute, but the water contained coliform bacteria, a well camera found cracks and gaps in the casing, and the pressure tank in the garage was rusted to hell. I soon wondered if we'd actually traded up. Then a real person answered the phone at the well company that our real estate agent recommended, and the employee who came to our house the next day called me en route to let me know his ETA. The inconvenience may have been lateral, but the customer service was several tiers above.
Moving from the city to the county also means I no longer have to deal with Philly's trash collectors, who routinely ripped bags and left their contents strewn the length of our block. My trash, like my water, is now my problem. Since there are many people out in the county, there are also many private companies picking up trash. We went with a company in Efland, which sold us a nice big can and weekly roadside pickup for $30 a month.
Like the well, this arrangement has tradeoffs: The private company collects only what's in the can, and we only get one, while Philly's trash trucks would take the contents of your house if you wrapped the mattresses in plastic. That said, it's a big can, and our new trash collectors manage to get all of our trash in their truck. They also text us a reminder every Wednesday night.
Living without government services isn't necessarily cheaper or easier than putting up with municipal bureaucracies. Our monthly water bill in Philly averaged $50, which means we spent roughly eight years' worth of water payments to upgrade our well. When we have trash that won't fit in the bin, we'll have to pay a junk hauler (or rent a truck). In a year or two, we'll need to have the septic tank pumped. Eventually, it may need to be replaced.
But even if we can only hope to one day break even on cost, the satisfaction I get from being treated like a customer has its own value. Back in January, the Philly water employee told one of my irate neighbors that his department was funded exclusively by service fees. "We work for you!" is a nice thing to say, but it is irritating to hear when you can't get a human on the phone or take your business elsewhere. If the trash company were to take us for granted, we'd find another one; they know that, which is why they send us a pickup reminder every week.
"Get a well!" is not an answer for the people who want to stay in Philly or any other city plagued by sclerotic decline. But it is an option for individuals with the means and disposition to reclaim some responsibility.
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Free, competitive private enterprises have no reason to poison the living sources of their livelihood and every reason not to do so.
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In all fairness, not everybody who evacuates big cities takes the worst of the city with them. Also, small towns can be the source of some dictatorial politics as well, made even worse by the fact that tbe tyrants know where you live.
As always, life is trade-offs and Caveat Emptor ("Let the Buyer Beware!")
No, not everybody, not by a long shot. But far too many do; witness what has happened to southern Maine and New Hampshire as people flee Massachusetts.
And you are correct, small towns can be great, but if the wrong clique take over, it can be nearly impossible to get rid of them, and they hold all the cards.
Caveat Emptor - always wise council.
Finding someone else’s “greener pasture” to graze without having to *EARN*/create a “greener pasture” is the lefts very foundation.
From open borders, welfare, healthcare slavery to even the civil rights act of 1964 (in complete contrast to civil rights act of 1866).
It’s about taking with Gov-Guns from everyone what they feel *entitled* to and pretending it’s a human right to take it.
Worse, they flee the desolation they created, then vote to do it all over again. "'All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again."
….. because we have a well and a septic tank, as do lots of folks out in the county.
So far.
Bet you five bucks the day after you replace the septic tank, you will be required to connect to the new sewer line.
Coming soon near me....
Never understood how this is not an ex post facto change in regulations. I thought the general principal was that if it's legal when it's done, then it's grandfathered from future changes.
No, ex post facto is different from a grandfather clause. Ex post facto means they can't penalize you for something you did before the law passed, but that doesn't apply to things you continue to do after the law is passed.
Enter the "trailer trash" parks.
No-one fixes up because fixing-up = loosing your house.
The side-effects of stupid policies is almost laughable.
Understood, but it still seems to me that if they approved my $20K septic when I moved in, then requiring me to sink another $35K into a hole in the ground because somebody doesn't like that I pee into it is going back and rewriting the rules because you don't like the results.
Yeah I have a septic system. Has worked flawlessly for the 30 years I've been here except I have to replace the lift station pump every few years. The area l live in is surrounded by forest preserves. Some years ago the little village down the road annexed a lot of them that are contiguous with the river that runs through here. There stated goal is to bring their sewer lines out here. If they can get us surrounded they can force us to hook up. I'll probably be gone by then but it still pisses me off.
I'm about where the folks in this article are. WAY outside any city limits, extremely unlikely to ever be incorporated. Drive trash in the back of the pickup truck to the dump once a week, have a well, septic tank (literally miles from the nearest sewer line). Only "service" here is electric. Had to install a microwave tower on the property to bounce internet from watertower in town 11 miles away.
Very much am looking to install solar panels to be able to be off-grid, even though a grid-tied system with ATS would be preferred for the backup.
You have jobs, financial resources to buy a house and pay for moving expenses, and, most of all, the mental discipline to make decisions and manage your own affairs? Sounds like extreme white privilege to me.
I hope that racist drivel is supposed to be ironic.
With obvious exceptions like Misek, BiobehavioralView, and other Alt-Right, Neo-Nazi creeps, it's best to assume deep-dish satire around here. In this case, satire of Wokeism/CRT.
Even private trash services are ripping you off. If you’re taking your own trash to a compactor or landfill, you pay $1-$2 per bag. I pass one every time I go into town, so it’s just a matter or tossing a bag of trash in the trunk about once per week (sometimes longer) and making a quick stop when I’m heading into town anyway. I’m paying less than $100 per year to get rid of my garbage.
Do you account for your travel time and car's mileage? You say you just "make a quick stop"; most people don't have that luxury and have to drive out of their way. How many miles and how much time is your "quick stop"?
It's literally right there on my way into town. I just have to make a left turn into it from the road I'm taking anyway. No extra fuel since I'm already making a trip in to get groceries or whatever.
Exactly. Your comment that $30/month is paying too much doesn't hold water for most people. Cars cost around $.50/mile; in mileage alone, that $7.50/week is 15 miles, and probably a half hour total time beyond what it takes to take the can out to the end of the driveway.
Perhaps a 3 - 5 minute side trip on the way to the hardware store for me.
But: lefty crap reaches in with mandatory recycling, and a constant drumbeat of city people who want socialized trash pickup "because it's greener, and we have to take care of everyone".
Our township doesn’t have a specified trash company, so we actually have three different companies competing for services. We pay about $200 a year for trash.
Sound more like you're throwing it into someone else's dumpster.
Where I live its 45/mo for a two can service.
$275 / year for a dump sticker, all you can throw or recycle (as required). The trash gets burned to produce a wee bit of power, the recycle (which no longer goes to China) gets dumped in some poorer town or state.... this is progress?
For us there is no "quick run to...". We make plans for multiple stops pretty much every time we start the car or truck. I can go to a Dollar General store in about 10 minutes one-way. Anything else is 20 minutes one-way. A trip to the dump/recycling center is a mile or two detour going to town.
So you admit to stealing water from the aquifer we all own in common? You should be paying for that water, you criminal.
He should be forced to share the water with drink-insecure people, for equity, and replace it into the earth, for Gaia.
We already give it back to Gaia. She loves golden showers. 😉
Don't get too Trumpy now.
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And paying for water caught in rain barrels. Last I checked, both North Carolina and "Live Free Or Die" New Hampshire outlaw this practice. What a bunch of bilge-water!
An aquafer is a renewable resource. Besides, are solar panels steal sun rays that belong to everyone?
So you admit to stealing water from the aquifer we all own in common? You should be paying for that water, you criminal.
My town's water department has that attitude. The committee in charge of the water department claims the power to regulate all water use from any source. Rules notwithstanding, it may be worth spending more for a private well to have competent management.
The author of the article says he moved to an unincorporated town. That means no municipal government at all and he's not in the jurisdiction of any municipal water department. So, no one to regulate him.
That can change without your consent at least in Illinois. They'll just keep annexing till they get to you. That big juicy tax base is irresistible.
Yes, it can change, though in most states, they will hold a referendum of the people that live in the affected area and a majority have to agree.
But that is beside the point. He doesn't have to worry about any regulations from a local water utility until it does change.
Care to show me the title for that commonly held water? I’ll wait.
His handle is “Jerryskids”, it’s a hint.
Yep. He'd have a title made up just on a dare. 🙂
According to common law property rights, you own your piece of earth down to the center of the planet and the space above it into infinity. Back when air planes were becoming common a lot of people tried to preserve that right. Ultimately the courts decided your rights are irrelevant because FYTW. Still hard to see how a municipality can claim an easement on a part of an aquifer outside their jurisdiction. But I'm sure they can find a way because FYTW.
Why would you even need to own any of the surface? Why couldn't you just claim a square mile of the atmosphere is yours and charge planes to fly through it?
Probably can't get a deed to a piece of atmosphere by itself although you could buy the rights to it from the land owner. Just like the mineral rights under my property were written out of the deed long before I got here. And back in the day people actually did sue to prevent aircraft flying over their property without compensation. Government simply gave aircraft easements without the consent of the owners. Same with utilities and government. I didn't sign any consent to a five foot easement on both sides of my property line so the cable company can come on my property without a warrant and tear down my fence without compensation so they can dig a trench. I consented when I signed the purchase offer because the easement is written into law. This may be an arcane argument but this is not the way property rights were perceived under common law.
you could buy the rights to it from the land owner.
And ask if he can make you a good deal on the Brooklyn Bridge.
The problem is that the aquifer is not bound by manmade property limits. Anyone can access the aquifer and use the water, even that below your property. So, large users like bottling plants or an agricultural area doing irrigation can extract all the water underneath your property from a location far away.
I drink your milkshake.
All right as a practical matter that's a good point. But it doesn't amount to a legal easement and I could dig a deeper well and get better pumps and theoretically beat them at that game unless prohibited by government. In my particular case my 200 foot well is in no danger of running dry in the foreseeable future.
The problem is Gov-Gun packing management-?businesses? versus a government who is LIMITED to ensuring Individual Liberty and Justice for all.
Implementing Justice (water-deeds) is a long ways from “managing” all the water like a business that owns the world.
People seem to have been brainwashed that the government is a GOD or something instead of just a monopoly of GUN-Force. The only tool in governments toolbox is GUN-Force and the only practical purpose of a monopoly of GUNS is to ensure every persons Liberty and Justice.
Living without government services isn't necessarily cheaper or easier than putting up with municipal bureaucracies. Our monthly water bill in Philly averaged $50, which means we spent roughly eight years' worth of water payments to upgrade our well.
I'll bet you more than made up for it with reduced property taxes.
Go home yankee and lie in the bed you made.
Guessing you know quite a bit about lying in bed.
Is that what she (or he or Xe/Xr) said? 😉
“Moving from the city to the county”
I assumed it was a typo the first time he said county instead of country but then he used it again. I don’t know about Pennsylvania, but in NC cities are still within counties. He should have stuck with “township”, because they are separate from cities.
Doesn’t this place have an editor?
Perhaps you need lessons in real English as she is spoke. Moving to the county means moving out of an incorporated city into unincorporated county jurisdiction.
Like stepping off a trampoline on to the ground. Only a pedantic twit who doesn't understand language would insist the trampoline was already on the ground.
A county is a unit of government, and, at least in NC, (and Michigan) when you live in a city, you are still within the jurisdiction of the county as well.
Just as the trampoline is on the ground.
Thanks for answering nothing.
I said "unincorporated county jurisdiction". What part of "jurisdiction" does not mean "unit of government"?
“I said “unincorporated county jurisdiction”.”
The author didn’t. He said he went from the city to the county. He was already in the county. It would’ve made just as much sense to say he went from the city into the state, regardless of your trampoline analogy.
No, you still don't understand common English.
Leaving an incorporated city puts you in unincorporated county territory, where county sheriffs answer 9-1-1 calls, where county building codes apply, and county supervisors control county spending.
At Reason, everybody's an Editor, which means nobody is an Editor.
Cities are within counties but counties do not have jurisdiction within city borders.
It's normal to to make a city/*county* distinction because of that.
Especially since in many well-populated parts of the country the area outsides the cities is not 'country'.
I lived in a city in NC. I still paid a portion of my property taxes to the county. And the school district was also done by county. There were specific schools in the cities, but they were still part of the county school district.
Again, maybe it’s different in other states, but in NC and Michigan, cities are still under county jurisdiction.
Ok - but if you're not living on the in the the city the you are living in the county.
In some places that is 'country' as in very rural, in other places not so much.
Cities are often in multiple counties. The city of Atlanta straddles parts of Fulton and Dekalb counties in Georgia. The City of Atlanta drove Fulton County politics for many years, which caused different parts of northern Fulton to form small cities, to minimize Atlanta's Fulton County influence on their areas. When I lived in metro-ATL, I had a Marietta mailing address, but lived in an unincorporated part of Cobb County, so my taxes were lower by one level of government's overhead but there was virtually no distinction in access to shopping, etc., only certain government services (e.g., Sheriff Dept vs Marietta Police) . Now that I live in the boonies of South Carolina, my situation is quite a bit different, but having no city government overhead is still important to us.
Many many counties have sales taxes which are paid even for in-city purchases.
Right. Which indicates the city is both in, and part of, the county.
No shit sherlock.
As far as I know every piece of land in the US is located within a county or parrish. And sometimes more than one. Cities and incorporated townships are another layer of jurisdiction within the county. Unincorporated county has the fewest layers of jurisdiction but even there you will probably fall into a school district and or some other taxing body.
So, a city-dweller moves to the country and is surprised to find that many people don’t live like he’d always assumed they did. Sheesh.
But, seriously, good luck in North Durham, Mike. The place is full of good people.
And get a pick-up truck.
"And get a pick-up truck."
A good idea for anyone living beyond the edge of suburbia.
Along with a chain saw.
And a leather mask.
Cow leather is acceptable, but only until you have enough bodies to make one out of human leather.
Or just drive a killdozer and remain anonymous.
That would be like keeping anonymous with a NASCAR racer in my neck of the woods. 🙂
Try hiring an electrician in Vermont. There are only a very few, and so you have no real selection, they know it, and behave accordingly. There is only one trash removal service, so if you don’t like them, well then prepare to bring your garbage to the dump yourself. A new septic system is 20 grand, so make sure you baby yours.
Six of one, half dozen of the other. Sometimes I miss the bureaucracy.
"There are only a very few, and so you have no real selection"
Funny how you didn't relate that obvious effect from bureaucracy.
Hint, Hint; Licensed Electrician.
Riggs, contact your local rural fire department and make sure fire service is provided.
Where I live it too is a subscription service, not straight provided by tax.
Where I live, it's a volunteer organization. And the nearest station is just over 10 miles away. Plus, no hydrants for miles. So the pool serves as the hydrant should there be a fire. Fire insurance reflects all that, but since it's all paid for already, I can swing a really high deductible to cut that rate a bit.
Dealing with private trash service is easy and cheaper. I hate the fascist trash service in many places in the country where you are mandated by law to use a specific company.
I live in an NJ exurb of Philly. Muni sewer, but have a well.
You don't get city services, and you're always the last roads to be plowed. Of course, when you have neighbors with their own plows, bobcats, and front-end loaders, there's never a problem finding someone to clear your snow for a few bucks.
In other words you're the *first* roads to be plowed - because you plow them yourself.
My advice: Familiarize yourself with the different parts of the well-pump BEFORE you wake up one morning to discover that no water is flowing into the plumbing pipes. There are a couple of small parts that wear out every few years and it is good to have replacement parts on hand so you don't have to go looking for them on a Sunday morning when the only place that sells them is closed.
A capacitor only costs about $15.00 so we have a couple of spare ones hanging from a hook in the well house. A set of replacement points are about $30.00 and we have a couple of those, along with a replacement pressure gauge, as well.
A couple of times a year, we pour a cup of bleach into the well to kill any bacteria that might be present. I grew up with well-water, and have two wells on my property. I hate the taste of "city" water and when we travel we take gallon jugs of our own water with us.
Yes, maintenance can be aggravating but if you learn how the pump works and what parts wear out, it is a lot better than depending on someone else for your water. Just like other issues that are a part of home ownership, it requires responsibility and a little effort, but is well-worth the trouble.
You're talking about the pressure tank. Not sure why your points are burning out. I replaced mine 25 years ago not because it had failed but to get better and more consistent pressure. I've adjusted it a few times but never had it fail. You might consider that it could be short cycling because it's too small for your needs or there is a leak somewhere. And yeah bacteria in the well head is not a big deal to fix. And the water coming out of God's green earth is far better than the liquid chlorine the city dwellers drink.
Grab a replacement pump and motor and keep them on hand. Don't want it to fail and the driller not have one in stock.
And check how old the installed pump is - they last about 15-20 years.
Mine is 30 years old.
I grew up in rural Missouri, with crystal clear well water filtered through our limestone bedrock. No city services, no need. No zoning restrictions either.
That old house burned down almost 15 years ago, but the well is still there. My parents let me design & build a cabin / lodge over the old foundations that we rent out almost year round now as a VRBO.
We still have to get propane trucked in for the heat, and up until now, we've been getting electric from the local co-op. But next summer, my dad and I are going to install approximately 800sf of solar cells on the south-facing side of the roof. They should provide enough power that, on average, the co-op will be sending my folks a check instead of the other way around.
Eventually, I would like to take the place completely off-grid.
Very cool.
What's the price on propane down there?
I paid $3.65 /gal two weeks ago in MA, and that included a 5 cent / gal discount for quick payment.
It's about $0.60 / lb
Sounds like about $2.25 /gallon - so once again, MA sucks the life out of everything.
Water and trash are probably the two government services I've never had problems with.
Of course our trash is contracted out to a private company so if they can't deliver on services the town switches to a different company. So I guess water is the only one lol.
Wells and septic tanks are no picnic, either. And when something goes wrong you get to pay to fix it.
Just make sure your well is uphill from the septic . . .
You're still paying for maintenance on piped infrastructure.
But I paid 400 to have my septic pumped after 4 years - clogged filter. Having to pull the pump twice in that time for 1k ( cracked pipe both times but I used the opportunity to put the pump back in lower) for a total of 1500 maintenance cost over 4 years which is about 30/month.
Fine, put your well downhill then.
Ha.
Are you talking about a lift station pump? I have one but most septics around here don't have a pump. And you have a filter on the pump? Just curious about your system.
No, submersible deep well pump. The water level is at 100 feet where I live. One pump at the bottom of the well only.
My septic is only gravity fed - we don't do basements here and it's not hard to bury the tank a few feet below the house level.
Yeah, but when you own your own backhoe or can borrow a neighbor's for a few hours, a lot of those problems are a lot easier and cheaper to fix.
Great another fucking Yankee moving to the south to fuck it up.
Like Californians to Texas and Colorado, these are the Days of Our Lives.
Living off-the-grid is, for most people, a modern fantasy that replaces living on the frontier.
People who actually want to do (and can do) that should not be wasting their time either engaged in politics or trying to offer political solutions/alternatives/philosophies.
People who don't want to do that shouldn't be wasting their time with the bogus origin myths and derived philosophies of government/markets/etc of 'frontier'. Because the REAL origin myths/philosophies of same is simply actual history here in the US. Not the inventions of founders reading European philosophers and exchanging letters pondering theory. Or libertarians obsessing about Austrians/Russians and theory - and pretending they are/shouldabeen founders. But the actual story of how the frontier transitioned from frontier (meaning failed or moved on from that condition for something better) to self-governance and what the successes and failures of that looked like.
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If you want to live in your urban SRO efficiency apartment, great. Just don't force the rest of us to do the same because you like it.
Ain’t no one forcing anyone to live in the city. More commonly – folks like you demand a 50 mile subsidized driveway (aka a road with no traffic) and whine that you think gas taxes actually pay for it. Which dates back to mail delivery (aka rural free delivery) and distorted the post office from post offices/postmasters to mail carriers and unions.
1. We do not demand anything. Indeed, often roads are built out here against local opposition.
2. We still pay for it. Through property taxes.
Indeed, often roads are built out here against local opposition
Well - City Cyclists For Rural Roads and Urban Bike Lanes is easily the most powerful lobby in every legislature. So there's that.
I don't demand anything from anyone. Take your contrived outrage and shove it.
Walking to the grocery store now.
Russians as founders? So the U.S. as either a Czardom or a Soviet?? What is this Anastasia meets Red Dawn??? Who writes this stuff????
Alex Jones and Jordan Petersen may have such strange musings, but no Libertarian I've read.
Ayn Rand was Russian
Yes, but Ayn Rand wouldn't say the Founders were Russian. Wbere are getting this?
If you consider the modern utilities that most homeowners use it is electrical power, gas for heating, water, sewers and garbage. Electricity and gas are the newest and are most often commercially provided. The water, sewer and garbage are the oldest utilities and are typically provided by municipalities. I see no reason that all could not be commercially provided, but I think that this is a historical legacy.
Garbage sure. But if you live in an ancient shithole like NYC or LA or Chicago no profit making enterprise is going to step into that hole. Those pipes have been rusting away for a century and the city doesn't even know where they are.
Pro-Tips for everyone, but especially City-Slickers: A 50 + Gallon hot water heater with an attached hose pipe and nozzle at the bottom can provide a gravity-fed reservoir of emergency water in the event of a Shit-Hits-The-Fan (SHTF) scenario.
Cleaned and sanitized 2 Liter drink bottles, juice bottles, and old distilled water Gallon jugs are best and cheapest for water storage. Aqua-Tainers hold up, but the plastic spigots break after several years and the remaining lid requires sterilization for mold and has to be repaired with Flex Seal Paste.
Use a drink bottle with the bottom cut out, the top lid with a hole in it, and layers of clean sand, aquarium pebbles, and non-fueled charcoal like Royal Oak to make a filter for particulates and odors. After that, use 10 drops per Gallon of unscented bleach and boiling for 10 minutes to get rid of pathogens.
In a water crisis, keep paper plates and pllastic ware to avoid having to wash dishes. Use existing water in canned vegetables when cooking.
Use waterless soap, shampoo, and body wash such as used in hospitals or at very least take what’s known a “whore’s bath” for the face, underarms, private parts, ass, and feet.
Cacti are not good sources of water, as the pulp can give diarrhea, but vines with a cut on the top and bottom can provide squeezed-out water. unmelted ice or snowcor alcohol are not good in outdoor Winterweather, as they can cause hypothermia
Keep your powder dry and your palate wet!
And save your last bullet for yourself.
Oh, come now! It isn't that bad! Survivalism/Preparedness is wise, not because life is all emergencies, but because life has a lot of good to offer.
The most important part is showing up...and that means being there to sjow up!
My property has two ponds, at least 2 springs, and two different feeder creeks. Water, I got. And I still have a 1000 gallon tank that gathers rainwater off the barn, because the barn and the garden (nearby the barn for convenience) are way uphill from the ponds and streams. I don't want to ding the well to irrigate the garden.
Oh, man, I admire you! You're living the life there! And very intelligently too, since you're letting gravity pull the water from the sky instead of working against it going uphill!
Any fish, crawdads, salamanders, or frogs in the ponds, streams, and creeks? Those would be great sources of food, bait, and critters for sale to aquarium lovers.
Welcome to flyover. You no longer matter. It's heaven.
The bureaucrats will get around to you eventually, but perhaps it’ll be your grandchildren’s problem. Using too much of the aquifer or perhaps your solar panels are hogging too much of the sun’s rays. They’ll be knocking at the door one day with their citation book in hand.
Ask the people of Rio Verde Foothills, AZ how much fun it is not having a municipal water department to deal with.
Thank you for sharing!
How about making a compost pile (your neighbors will rake fall leaves and conveniently bag them for you)? The coliforms in the original posters well water most likely come from his own septic field. Some people compost their own poop (which kills coliforms and other fecal organisms), which is a better solution than contaminating a large septic field. Every epidemic of fecal-borne infections begins the same way - by mixing a small amount of poop into a much larger amount of water, then trying to deal with a large amount of contaminated water. Composting feces adds a small amount of poop with a larger amount of carbonaceous material and letting nature do its thing. A year or two later and there's nothing left but coliform-free compost.
Now what about the odor, not to mention disease from coliform bacteria in the compost? Would the composting process deal with that? And how do you isolate the pile from your water source? (Asking for nobody I know, just curious.)
Buying a house in the country: Have the well water certified safe.
It has recently become a big problem for me to make the most attractive appearance for the house and its territory, and I thought it would be a time-consuming process. Of course, until I found an outdoor wood deck. I think that for those who are going to do renovation it will be extremely useful to look at it in advance.