The FBI Paid Twitter $3.4 Million for Processing Requests
The latest Twitter Files installment shows the FBI paid Twitter millions of dollars to cover the costs of processing the agency's requests. Yikes.

The FBI paid Twitter millions of dollars to cover the costs of processing the agency's requests. "I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019!" wrote someone with Twitter's Safety, Content, & Law Enforcement (SCALE) team in a February 2021 email, according to internal messages reported by journalist Michael Shellenberger today.
"In 2019 SCALE instituted a reimbursement program for our legal process response from the FBI," explained the email, whose author is redacted. "Prior to the start of the program, Twitter chose not to collect under this statutory right of reimbursement for the time spent processing requests from the FBI."
The internal email was reported as part of an ongoing project known as the Twitter Files, in which new Twitter CEO Elon Musk gave a small group of journalists access to a trove of internal communications and documents on the condition that stories derived from this material be reported on Twitter first. Reason's Robby Soave has written about previous installments of the Twitter Files here, here, here, and here.
Shellenberger's new installment centers on Twitter's decision to temporarily block a New York Post story about Hunter Biden just before the 2020 election. This was also the subject of the first Twitter Files thread, from Matt Taibbi.
Among other things, the new thread details how Trump-era FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) warnings about potential foreign meddling in the 2020 election drove excessive caution from Twitter officials when the Hunter Biden story first came out.
"Given the SEVERE risks here and lessons of 2016, we're erring on the side of including a warning and preventing this content from being amplified," Twitter's former head of Trust and Safety Yoel Roth wrote in an internal Google Doc discussion about the Post story.
Emails and documents explaining Twitter deliberations here are interesting—though hardly the sort of smoking guns many on the right are making them out to be. Taken all together, they showcase a company trying hard to balance competing concerns, including free speech, electoral integrity, national security, freedom of the press, public relations, and lawmaker demands, sometimes acquiescing to and sometimes pushing back against government requests.
21. Despite Twitter's pushback, the FBI repeatedly requests information from Twitter that Twitter has already made clear it will not share outside of normal legal channels. pic.twitter.com/WyI03iZ0WF
— Michael Shellenberger (@shellenberger) December 19, 2022
Twitter's internal communications do not suggest a company itching to tilt the 2020 election or to benefit Joe Biden but one still reeling from accusations of aiding Russian trolls during the 2016 election and facing immense pressure from government forces not to let it happen again. Twitter ultimately made the wrong call in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on the grounds that it may stem from hacked materials, but it was also an understandable mistake (and one quickly corrected) given the totality of the circumstances.
If there are real villains here, it's FBI and DHS agents excessively vigilant about potential foreign propaganda in 2020 and overzealous about countering election-related misinformation. But given everything that happened on this front in 2016—the (relatively pathetic) attempts at a Russian influence campaign and the subsequent years of hysteria about it—it's not terribly surprising that authorities were on high alert. And warning social media companies to be on high alert, too, is actually pretty far down on the list of damning things these agencies do.
There's been ample insinuation that these agencies were politically motivated. But all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI. Rather than agencies intent on swaying the 2020 election for Biden, their actions seem like run-of-the-mill paranoia and attempts at control.
This brings us back to the FBI. In the last installment of the Twitter Files, Matt Taibbi reported on some of the agency's content moderation requests, many of which were related to potential election misinformation. Twitter looked into the flagged tweets and accounts, sometimes complying with the FBI and sometimes not.
"It's not that this information was totally unsuspected," as my colleague Robby Soave wrote about Taibbi's last thread. "It was already abundantly clear that government officials were in regular communication with social media companies and flagging content for moderation. But it's useful to see the scale of that interaction as well as some specific examples. The extent to which Big Tech and Big Government are working in tandem to crack down on dissent, contrarianism, and even humor is frankly disturbing."
The same could be said about Shellenberger's latest installment, with perhaps the exception of the FBI payout.
The money seems to be related to FBI requests for Twitter data.*
Federal law grants government entities the right to access, with a court order, certain stored communications from "electronic communication service" providers. These are known as 2703(d) requests. To get a court order, the government must show that there are "reasonable grounds to believe that the contents of a wire or electronic communication, or the records or other information sought, are relevant and material to an ongoing criminal investigation."
Federal law also states that "a governmental entity obtaining the contents of communications, records, or other information" allowed under 2703 and related statutes "shall pay to the person or entity assembling or providing such information a fee for reimbursement for such costs as are reasonably necessary and which have been directly incurred in searching for, assembling, reproducing, or otherwise providing such information."
Twitter's "Guidelines for law enforcement" state under a section titled "Cost reimbursement" that "Twitter may seek reimbursement for costs associated with information produced pursuant to legal process and as permitted by law (e.g., under 18 U.S.C. §2706)."
Shellenberger's latest Twitter Files do not contain any more information than the one email about the reimbursement program, bringing up many more questions than it answers. Processing what kind of requests? Which other companies are being reimbursed? To the tune of how much? For how long? It doesn't say.
Meanwhile, Musk spun this revelation as "Government paid Twitter millions of dollars to censor info from the public."
But the reimbursement money does not seem to be related to FBI content moderation requests.
There are reasons to be concerned about 2703(d) requests and the way the government obtains social media data. But these are different concerns than those that Musk brings up.
*CORRECTION: This post previously misstated the nature of the FBI reimbursement money. It has been updated to correct this and to add more context about the laws surrounding social media data requests and reimbursements. Alex Stamos, director of the Stanford Internet Observatory, answers some questions about the program in this Mastodon thread. Techdirt's Mike Masnick also has a good rundown here.
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Seems like they got a discount given how much Twitter was spending a day on moderation.
To be honest, all they had to do was provide the same stuff to Yoel Roth that got Buttplug the ban stick here.
This gaslighting might as well appear in the nyt. ENB is a liar and a progressive shill.
Yeah, the decision to suppress the laptop story had NOTHING to do with Twitter's political biases.... she goes out of her way to proclaim.
Jeez.
Plus, a little legwork to dig out some info, price schedules, etc. on these "agreed" or court-ordered reimbursements would have been nice. But flacking for Twitter is all she has time for, I guess.
LOL at Reason.
THIS is the angle you take???
You're fucking pathetic, bootlicking NPCs.
This one is ENB and not Robby and you can see the degree to which she's apologizing for Twitter's censorship.
Who is deciding to platform her drivel here?
Oh, yeah. She's a "senior editor". So, who decided that she's qualified to be that?
Other quotes left as an exercise for the reader, which of course means sarcasm will say I am showing no evidence.
* Consistency is not ENB's strong suit.
* It takes a lot of rose-colored glass to see the DHS and FBI as being controlled by Trump.
The gaslighting is strong.
This entire article is gaslighting around a topic they have to pretend to admit to.
They literally lied to FISA to spy on him. How the fuck does ENB square this?
Perhaps she is wishing for the old regime and restoration of her precious blue check.
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"...all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI."
Explains perfectly why they were pressuring Twitter to suppress the Biden laptop story.
In some alternate universe where Brown isn't just lying to our faces.
"There’s been ample insinuation that these agencies were politically motivated. But all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI."
To libertarians, this sentence is an indicator that the bureaucratic deep-state is real, and that they've become too powerful to be reigned in by the elected government, a fact that confirms many of the worst libertarian fears about government.
To ENB, this sentence is just an indicator that FBI couldn't possibly have been acting against Trump, because her School House Rock-tier understanding of civics is that "the president controls the executive and the FBI is under the executive branch, therefore the FBI does what the president wants."
Elizabeth, you almost see the deep state…
If there are real villains here, it’s FBI and DHS agents excessively vigilant about potential foreign propaganda in 2020 and overzealous about countering election-related misinformation.
But somehow you brush it off and dismiss it.
There’s been ample insinuation that these agencies were politically motivated. But all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI. Rather than agencies intent on swaying the 2020 election for Biden, their actions seem like run-of-the-mill paranoia and attempts at control.
As I stated before, in another thread…
No one here writing for Reason seems to care, to be curious, to investigate further, to be offended in a stereotypical libertarian fashion about the FBI and the rest of the security state apparatus influencing and controlling social media such as Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, Google, etc. Not one. The only editor here who has written anything on The Twitter Files to date is Robby (and now ENB), and even then it’s tepid. It’s a rather sad state of affairs, really, when a supposedly libertarian publication will not lift a finger to investigate the connections between social media and the security state.
Liberty doesn’t die in darkness; it dies in the light, in public, surrounded by people who couldn’t care less whether it lives or dies as long as they are safe and sound and spoon-fed bullshit.
Elizabeth, maybe you should listen to the commentariat instead of denigrating them every once in a blue moon. We do have something to say, and we do have valid criticism of the articles and the editors.
""Liberty doesn’t die in darkness;""
Dies by thunderous applause.
Say what you will about the Prequels, they had some great quotes.
Yousa point is well seen.
Not as many as Andor.
"There's been ample insinuation that these agencies were politically motivated. But all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI. Rather than agencies intent on swaying the 2020 election for Biden, their actions seem like run-of-the-mill paranoia and attempts at control."
Would that be the same FBI that literally tried to frame Trump for Russian collusion While he was in office and they worked for him? Seems run of the mill to ENB.
No one has written much since twitter isn't that important, twitter hasn't done anything outside their rights as a private company either currently or in the past, and it's not worth digging into anyway. So what if twitter had a liberal bias? (which it likely does given it's location and tech bros tend to be democrats) would having a right leaning staff make you happier? isn't that a bit hypocritical? Right leaners have gab, truth.social, and parler. How many internet venues do they need? Surely you aren't insinuating that the government investigate and punish twitter for being left leaning in the past? That's not libertarian at all!
No. The concern is the FBI, DHS, and intelligence officials ("retired") who lied on FISA applications, lied to the people, bribed and coerced social media to censor news detrimental to their cause. That's what we're "insinuating."
You should really educate yourself before wading into a topic of conversation.
Gaslight much?
Why don’t you piss on us more and claim it’s raining.
The federal government has a small army of employees and contractors who spend their days policing speech everywhere, not just on Twitter.
Are you one of the Democrats "Scrambling to save censorship" as the NY Post puts it? Here's a snippet FTA:
If there are real villains here, it’s FBI and DHS agents excessively vigilant about potential foreign propaganda in 2020 and overzealous about countering election-related misinformation.
Took their jobs too seriously. Just some slight overreach. Mistakes were made.
... some people did some things...
Perhaps Reason's motto ought to be "Liberty dies in darkness, and we turn out the lights" (Equally applicable to the Washington Post)
"excessively vigilant"? Really? Then why, when Russian influence was supposedly discovered during the 2016 campaign, no one from the FBI notified the Trump campaign about it? Unless they had already concluded that Trump was a KGB asset? Why else would they spy on him and his son? Or more likely, Trump would disrupt their cushy perq of committing crimes with no consequences.
The bribing and extorting of social media companies were done long after the Russia hoax went the way of old Enquirer stories, yet ENB acts as if the hoax came out of nowhere with no connection to the FBI and DHS.
She has to deny the deep state - if you admit the deep state manipulated the election, then the election wasn't free and fair, and if the election wasn't free and fair, then Trump is right.
And Trump can never be right.
"Prior to the start of the program, Twitter chose not to collect under this statutory right of reimbursement for the time spent processing requests from the FBI."
Which statute?
THAT’S your fucking question?
The article links to the statute. If you missed that read it again.
https://twitter.com/_BarringtonII/status/1604930182967615488?t=L3cCbWhF7wqip254UysWOA&s=19
The richest man in the United States has evidence that government collusion took place on one of the biggest social media platforms in the world where the government worked with executives from said platform to suppress stories, silence a sitting president, and violate the 1st
amendment rights of many of it's users and yet this has not been spoken about on ANY mainstream media publication or television network?
MAKE IT MAKE SENSE PLEASE.
Well this is actual collusion. Not FBI created Trump/Russia collusion. So they are probably confused.
That, and CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSDNC, NYT, WaPo, et.al. are all for it. Their guy is in the White House, and the couldn't care less about collusion as long as it suits and serves them well. You'll hear nary a peep regarding it as you heard them condemn the Hunter Biden Laptop as mere Russian misinformation. They cheer for one side and cover the sins of that side willingly.
There is no "collusion". There is no "propaganda". There is just a righteous holy crusade.
You mean this Washington Post?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/
You think a 9 month old story gives the MSM cover for a story that happened 2 years ago and was verified / proven this week?
Give him a break, he’s got a lot of spinning plates in the air.
At this point does anyone think jeff isn’t a paid shit flinger? Nobody would embarrass themselves this much for free would they?
No.
defn a flinger [hmmm a nice counterbalance to those being called clingers...] but not sure about the paid part. who'd pay for such poor representation?
I think that story demonstrates a little bit more than simply "they're running cover for Democrats!!!!!!"
They blatantly ignored the entire affair when it did matter, offered some weak lip service to its existence at the furthest possible point in time to when it might matter (an election), and promptly went back to pretending it didn't exist or matter.
I guess we're in the 'Old News' phase of the gaslighting cycle.
I'm not even sure if the bigger aspect of the story is the scale of the Biden family graft or the explicit support of it from the FBI and the rest of the intelligence community.
They blatantly ignored the entire affair when it did matter,
Between Oct. 14, 2020 and Nov. 3, 2020, the Washington Post ran no fewer than 12 stories discussing the Hunter Biden laptop. They most certainly did not "blatantly ignore" it.
What they didn't do was to immediately hop onto the right-wing bandwagon about the laptop.
Here is from their very first article on the laptop:
https://archive.vn/45p3i#selection-1049.0-1059.290
They did exactly what you would expect "real journalists" would do: try to verify the contents of the laptop before breathlessly reporting on them as true.
By contrast, the NY Post took a laptop hard drive from a known political operative of Team Red that had embarrassing things about Team Blue, did only the most cursory of background checking, and published it anyway because they were more interested in damaging Team Blue. And that is the reporting that you reward.
So the laptop was fake?
The comment on verification comes after the claims are made. The sheer fact that the N Y Post made such an outrageous claim was newsworthy in and of itself. The WaPost had two weeks to contact the repairman and to obtain copies of the files on the drive. They didn't do a damn thing except try to cover up the story.
The WaPost could have written up the story as "Here's Trump's latest desperate attempt avoid electoral disaster" but they didn't want any thing to come out about Biden's wayward drug addled son.
When the Director of National Intelligence told them that there was no evidence that the laptop story was Russian disinformation, despite a credible source telling them so, they still refused to
even mention the claims about Hunter.
It’s funny that you on the left have now pivoted to this narrative of “but we did cover the story.”
The left’s ability to seamlessly latch on to historical revision narratives is really impressive.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Wait you’re saying that the FBI can’t communicate twitter (or other private company?). Get the fuck out of here lol. Show some collusion! I welcome the republicans looking into Biden, they will be about as successful as the trumped up charges on hillary. I guess it will be hilarious to see them showing a power point of hunter biden's pecker (from the laptop) on the House floor lmfao.
They don't really have a clear standard. They are just hysterical and upset and emotional about it.
I keep trying to pin them down on what precisely is the difference between "collusion" and "cooperation" when the FBI or law enforcement generally is involved. Haven't gotten a clear answer, just special pleadings.
No Warrants, No interaction.
Hey, they were just expressing their first amendment rights by asking all those questions.
"I keep trying to pin them down on what precisely is the difference between “collusion” and “cooperation” "
Oh what a bunch of horseshit. You are becoming as bad as Mike. I have answered you multiple times, and you just ghost off to the next thread to start it again.
So why don't you answer my question: What is the moral line that makes actual Italian Fascism anti-libertarian?
You know, Overt, I do have a job, and so sometimes I miss the answers to my questions. So if you wouldn't mind, could you repeat it here?
Anyway I'll be happy to answer your question.
What is the moral line that makes actual Italian Fascism anti-libertarian?
From an economic perspective? When it becomes illegal for an individual or an institution to refuse to join the corporatist groups.
"You know, Overt, I do have a job"
Yes, posting Democratic Party talking points on various websites.
I don't think you being purposefully ignorant and purposefully obtuse in order to keep parroting your tribe's position is the same as having never been answered.
You are aware how fascism works correct? By your response you do not. There is a professor on this site who has discussed violations of 1a through government working through corporations. I suggest education. But you may too far gone.
Pretty sure he was sent here to spout bullshit.
Yes, I am saying that the FBI has no legal jurisdiction to strong arm or bribe Twitter into censoring uncovered information that could be politically damaging to someone running for office. They also had no legal right to confiscate Hunter Biden’s laptop or raid a private residence to confiscate the diary of Joe Biden’s daughter. They are the gestapo of the Democrat Party.
The FBI can communicate with Twitter. But what business do they have recommending things to censor? How is that the FBI's job? Why should they be spending taxpayer money on it?
"Wait you're saying the FBI can't communicate [with] twitter?"
Oh, how we do love our euphemisms. The FBI sends a list of accounts (not tweets) to Twitter and demands to know when they are going to be censored. They even get annoyed about how long it's taking Twitter, and send an email nagging them about it. Look, the FBI even paid Twitter for their time looking at the thousands of lists they had been sending them.
You take all of that, and call it "communicating". Well. One of us has our eyes open, and the other is saying move along, nothing to see here.
What a vile leftist cunt he is.
FBI: Nice business you got there, shame if anything happened to it or you.
Roth: yes sir, right away sir.
Jeff: see, just communication, nothing to see here.
Lol, the right co-opts the left yet again! You wanna see collusion! I'll show you collusion! After taking over relativism why not. Oh, and they now want affirmative action for their minority views on reality. Next we will have affirmative action for white people. Oh, and they will make these arguments unironically.
Taibbi is absolutely stupid for not recognizing this hypocrisy. He made his substack career on calling out left-wing hysteria on all the Russian "bomshells" and now spends his interviews trying to convince us that his story is a bombshell. What a joke.
What part of that doesn’t make perfect sense in a world where “government” is corrupt?
Best place to hide your lies is among the half truths.
"reeling from accusations of aiding Russian trolls during the 2016 election"
You mean the trolls [election influence] that didn't even exist, right?
That you choose to “reel” when accused of nonsense by Democrats and their fellow travels is more of a criticism than Brown pretends it is.
Sure to get Nardz all hot and bothered:
https://twitter.com/MostlyPeacefull/status/1604940258885320704
Honestly what’s the difference between Russia and the United States at this point?
And just read some of the responses.
About a quarter of them are along the lines of "dude - if you have to ask, you've never been to Russia".
But the rest are either willing to draw equivalency, or to claim that Russia is superior.
You manage to miss the point completely. Whoosh, Jeffy, it flies over your head like a 747 coming in for landing at Princess Juliana International Airport over Maho Beach.
Even asking the question demonstrates a level of insulting false equivalency.
No it doesn't, you disingenuous shit.
It was clearly a joke Jeff. Were you born without a sense of humor or was it beaten out of you?
Would pay to see the latter.
Just don't call jeff the obvious leftist shit weasel he is.
And you manage to be more retarded than ever, Jeffy. Keep it up, you're doing just fine at that.
https://twitter.com/AbePralle/status/1604940868858785792
Russia's three-letter agencies work in service of the country.
Oh, you missed a bunch of others.
No, I didn’t. You did, you disingenuous fucktard.
You’re broken like sarc Lying Jeffy.
Russia didn't put a transgressive tranny panty-thief in charge of keeping its nuclear waste out of its water supply.
The cozy relationship between social media companies and
law enforcementthe fucking FBI and DHS was suspect enough without money changing hands.Fixed that for you cupcake.
None of this criminal censorship by the DOJ to influence an election resembles “law enforcement”.
there are real villains here.
>>But given everything that happened on this front in 2016
"everything that happened on this front in 2016" is not a given it requires explanation.
Even Reason published articles about the Russiabots and found it irrelevant.
I just assume the election of DJT is what she's eluding to here. The excuses work then.
The explanation is known. It's corruption, and it requires punishment.
There was never any doubt that the laptop was authentic. The computer shop owner provided the receipt signed by Hunter Biden which was published in the Post and nobody connected to him or the Biden campaign ever denied it's authenticity as the story was being censored or to this day. You are a lying piece of shit Reason.
The big question was whether the DATA on the laptop was all authentic.
If a malign power were to attempt an intelligence operation, that would be a great way to do it - put fake data on an authentic device.
Not a single piece of information has come out to point to any inauthentic, planted data.
There was, and continues to be, no basis to assert anything not being authentic.
It may be the best way to launder fake info, but there is not even the slightest support that has occurred with this laptop.
At the end of the day, the moronic guy left it at a computer shop.
Not a single piece of information has come out to point to any inauthentic, planted data.
Was this known in Oct. 2020?
Yes. It was known that there was no reason to believe any data was inauthentic.
Except for the whole chain-of-custody thing, right?
You do realize that the hard drive that the NY Post reviewed was ALTERED compared to the one that the FBI picked up in late 2019, right?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/hunter-biden-laptop-data-examined/
How does that indicate a malign power attempting an intelligence operation?
But keep defending made up bullshit that’s been proven false. It’s very revealing, for anyone new here.
"there was no reason to believe any data was inauthentic."
So you ignore the entire lack of a chain of custody? Why?
No. Keep trying though.
I see. So even though the hard drive copy that was given to the NY Post was completely unsecured, for months and months, with untold number of people having access to it, there was no reason to believe any data was inauthentic. Got it.
Not by itself, no.
Are you actually still claiming this is Russian disinformation?
No, and I never did.
What I am claiming, that as of Oct. 14, 2020, based on the unverified and insecure nature of the laptop that just so happened to be delivered into the arms of a cooperative press by a political operative who had just come back from Eastern Europe looking for "dirt" on Biden, it would not have been unreasonable to think that the data on the copy of the hard drive might not be legit.
“it would not have been unreasonable to think that the data on the copy of the hard drive might not be legit.”
Someone thinking this isn’t the issue here you disingenuous fuck.
In the same linked Washington Post story we find this:
"Neither expert reported finding evidence that individual emails or other files had been manipulated by hackers, but neither was able to rule out that possibility."
The emails were cryptographically signed and verified. Those are the documents that matter. So the chain of custody of the emails is, in fact, completely solid. That's literally what digital signatures were created to confirm.
I find it quite amusing that the people who complain the most bitterly about “ballot harvesting” because we can’t be certain if the ballot placed in a dropbox by someone else is legit or not despite all the safeguards, has no issues whatsoever believing that a completely insecure hard drive being shopped around the entire country for months and then finding its way to the NY Post, is 100% completely legitimate and not altered at all.
That’s…quite a stretch there Lefty Jeffy.
Why is it so important for you to defend all this so vociferously, hmmmm?
I'm pointing out the bullshit in the story. I'm interested in discovering the truth in this story, not some bullshit narrative. You would understand about trying to discover truth, right?
And do not again every complain about "ballot harvesting" being insecure. You're willing to believe at face value the contents of a copy of an insecure hard drive that any number of people had access to for MONTHS as being perfectly legitimate and genuine and unaltered.
I’ll complain about whatever the fuck I want Lefty Jeffy.
A "completely insecure hard drive" containing copies of emails that were digitally signed you mean. Digitally signed and verified. Oh, and not only verified electronically, but verified by an addressee of the emails themselves, in person, on national television.
So yeah, I have no problem saying the emails are genuine. Nor should anyone.
As a reason for Twitter to suppress the story your speculations are an irrelevant fail, you stupid turd.
Giuliani himself said that he gave the hard drive to the Post because “either nobody else would take it, or if they took it, they would spend all the time they could to try to contradict it before they put it out.”
https://archive.vn/7eCWA
In other words, he was unconcerned about whether the data was legit or not. He just wanted to push the story.
FFS not even Fox News would take the story.
How does this indicate a malign power attempting an intelligence operation?
"FFS not even Fox News would take the story."
Maybe because the FBI was running around inferring it was fake even though internal documents clearly show they knew it wasn't, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
If you're going to lie don't do it about a story involving FBI malfeasance that even Reason has covered.
Fox News is the epitome of controlled opposition
And he left two other laptops lying around the same way. The three lettered federal agencies got to those before we could find out what was on them. We’re lucky to have this one.
"If a malign power were to attempt an intelligence operation, that would be a great way to do it – put fake data on an authentic device."
And if a partisan shill was attempting to deflect reality, that's exactly what he would say.
Keep spinning Lefty Jeffy. You’ve almost got everyone fooled.
He's actually redirecting.
Trying to pull the conversation away from the fact that his last week's narrative was just destroyed by the revelation that the FBI was paying Twitter to process requests.
It's just as important for a fifty-center to move the conversation away from wrongthink topics as it is to try and refute them.
"If a malign power were to attempt an intelligence operation, that would be a great way to do it – put fake data on an authentic device."
Not even Hunter, Joe or even the fucking DNC had the balls to try and claim this, but look at Jeff go.
Whenever Jeff says he's not a Team Blue shill, point to posts like this.
this is where ML objects to everything I write, even if it is correct
He truly has CDS - chemjeff derangement syndrome
If a malign power wanted to increase the number of bear attacks against US citizens, driving around with bears in their trunks would be a great way to do it.
What that has to do with the price of tea in Moscow I’ll never know, but keep up the good work Jeffy.
“this is where ML objects to everything I write, even if it is correct”
Point out how your statement that
Russia“a malign power” got Hunter to drop his laptop at a repair shop, then hacked it, planted incriminating emails that neither Hunter or the email recipients dispute, and then forced Hunter to leave it abandoned at the shop for a year, even fucking works.You’re the only retard on the planet claiming such a mindblowingly stupid thing. Not even the Democrats. Not even the Bidens. And you have the fucking balls to say it’s “correct”?
There really is a chemjeff derangement syndrome, but the only one infected is you, Jeffy (and maybe sarcasmic).
I hope you know I’m going to be reposting your “hacked laptop” post everywhere.
The Bidens never declared the laptop was fake. The FBI was given the laptop well in advance of Gulliani. Basic facts jeff continues to ignore as he defends everything the left does.
Shorter Jesse:
Chain-of-custody concerns are valid when it comes to absentee ballots, but not when it comes to unsecured copies of Hunter Biden's hard drive.
This is a great point, you should stick with it. Makes you look super smart.
When nobody involved that you're trying to cover for is making the claims you are or denying the emails veracity, only a completely idiot would keep pushing them.
Gee, that's a pretty stupid claim there, ML. Good thing I didn't make it.
Here is another idea. The hard drive that was in Giuliani's possession was a copy of the original. An unsecured unencrypted copy. A copy that the shop owner already admitted he had rummaged through. A copy that WE KNOW was modified compared to the original that was in the FBI's possession. A copy that untold numbers of people had access to for months before the NY Post got to see it. A copy that Steve Bannon was publicly admitting that he had access to weeks before the NY Post story. So, do you think that maybe it is *possible* that the copy of the hard drive was tampered with, after the store owner made his copy but before the NY Post analyzed it? Hmm?
“*possible*”
Haha, nice try slipping that in there.
“Gee, that’s a pretty stupid claim there, ML. Good thing I didn’t make it.”
Lol, the fuck you didn’t. Your post didn’t just disappear because you now find it inconvenient. Everyone can still see it.
“A copy that WE KNOW was modified compared to the original that was in the FBI’s possession.”
How was it modified, Jeffy? Real answer please.
Also, are you claiming that the incriminating emails at the heart of the problem aren’t present in the FBI’s copy? Because the FBI hasn’t made that claim and neither have the Biden’s. Only a pathetic, fat, fucking nazi who fifty-cents here has.
It’s time for you to stop lying and making shit up, Jeff.
This is the
It's not happeningIt's happening, but it's not as bad as you say.It happened, it was exactly as you said, but what difference, at this point, does it make?
phase of the process.
"At this point, what difference does it make?" would make a pretty good epitaph.
If only there were a pejorative term for people who fervently adhered to an ideology, to the point that they would deny plain facts and reality in order to conserve to their fundamentally false perception of a status quo world view. Something like "Preservative Orthodox Essentialist" that applied equally to both sides, or any side, regardless of their specific orthodoxy.
It would be even more pointed if the pejorative term traditionally referred to a rampant ideology around the perfection of the father and the reflection of the imperfections of his creations. Seems like there's a word or phrase like this somewhere but I can't quite put my finger on it.
"Zealot" seems to fit well.
I was going more for 'Conservative Religious Fundy' or similar. The Sistine Chapel with Papa Joe (and a Holy Host of Dr. Jill, KJP, Garland, etc.) reaching out a finger to Hunter.
The vehemency with which they're defending the status quo in order to preserve their false perception of reality would make the 50s-era Norman Rockwell/Jerry Falwell Conservatives living in their head exasperated and jealous.
If only a real journalist had picked up the phone and asked one of the recipients on the email to confirm the authenticity.
Oh wait...
NY Post did that actually. They got banned for doing journalism. Jeff applauds this.
Don't leave out the Reason editors, they're nothing if not lapdog for DNC approval.
If a malign power were to attempt an intelligence operation, that would be a great way to do it – put fake data on an authentic device.
You realize that if what you've stated were fact, full faith and credit, it would be more actual, no-shit Russian puppetry than what precipitated a 2-year, $30M investigation, right?
How is it possible that no one remembers Bobulinski? He was literally the CEO of one of Hunter Biden's US+China companies, the addressee on hundreds of emails in Biden's laptop. He personally went on national television and verified that the emails were real, because he had sent and received them. He did that well before the 2020 election.
There is absolutely no question the laptop is genuine. None whatsoever.
This is status quo in the "I wuz hacked!" defense and has been since inception. Ignore the dozens, if not hundreds, of independent third parties that can and do verify virtually every facet of every communication... unless it's convenient to the narrative. Then, hunt them down and make them spill their guts, prosecute if necessary, even if they don't actually have anything that pertains to the original or specific issues under inquiry.
If it’s going to be an acronym, SCALE, why use the ampersand instead of the and?
Safety, Content,
&And Law EnforcementOr better, (For) SALE: "Safety And Law Enforcement"
Here's some free advice for Reason staffers
It should not be hard to take the position that the FBI should not have anything to do with directing twitter. Full stop.
Now that we know this has been happening what should be done to correct it.
Libertarianism is just not that hard.
It is if you are paid to deny it.
"Prior to the start of the program, Twitter chose not to collect under this statutory right of reimbursement for the time spent processing requests from the FBI."...hardly the sort of smoking guns many on the right are making them out to be.
It is claimed (with a shit ton of supporting documentation) that Twitter had a financial incentive to prostrate themselves at the feet of the FBI, funded by the taxpayers, and Reason thinks this isn't a big deal? Call it bribery, call it extortion, but an ethical journalist might think this is worth covering. Not in the sense of burying, but in the sense of revealing. By all indications the Janus word has previously confused your staff.
Probably more relevant for FaceBook but likely applicable to twitter... law enforcement send subpoena requests for specific accounts all the time. First, asking them to preserve the accounts (so the person they are investigating can't just delete them) and second, issuing warrants to get all direct messages or private messages the account sent or received. For FB its all pics and videos as well for specific time periods.
This results in sometimes voluminous amounts of data. Hundreds of pages of documents, gigabits of data (videos etc...) I don't think it unreasonable for Twitter to ask for reimbursement for the work that goes into assembling and then transmitting all of this to various law enforcement agencies including the FBI. But those are for known criminal suspects and are court authorized requests.
Paying them to moderate or censor is a different legal ballgame altogether. If it was persistent enough or widespread enough - then it would NOT be absurd to state that Twitter was acting as a subcontractor of sorts or agent of the US Govt. And that would be opening a can of worms and possible implications (for them, for the govt, etc...) The whole 'private companies can do what they want' argument doesn't work any more as they are not entirely 'private' any more.
Emails and documents explaining Twitter deliberations here are interesting—though hardly the sort of smoking guns many on the right are making them out to be.
Lol. The FBI and IC working to convince Twitter of Russian hacking to kill a story they knew was true (they had the fucking laptop) is no big deal?
Here's a thread about some of it:
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1604871630613753856?t=RtvXIfbzaHXFjMIydBRXdw&s=19
1. TWITTER FILES: PART 7
The FBI & the Hunter Biden Laptop
How the FBI & intelligence community discredited factual information about Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealings both after and *before* The New York Post revealed the contents of his laptop on October 14, 2020
[Thread]
JeffTard is busy trying to deny and deflect it below.
And above. And to the left, and to the right.
" But all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Orange man was so bad, he engineered the coup against him.
4D chess?
4d chess played with yourself in a mirror!
Gross.
Right, both sides of the 4D chess board are equally bad.
I'd like to say I'm surprised at just how craven and evil Reason could be in support of totalitarianism that seeks to deny us all freedoms... but I'm not.
Okay folks, read carefully, because this is how you subtly push a narrative without making it look like you are.
Let's start with Tweet No. 34:
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1604900581809614848
So, Yoel Roth is suspicious. And for good reason, because the whole thing sure does sound very suspicious. This smoking gun of dirt on Biden just *happens to appear* a few weeks before the election? Really?
And then, No. 35:
So, FBI dude Baker insists that the "Hunter Biden materials" are faked and/or hacked. Here, Baker is referring to the emails on the laptop, as is evidenced by the screenshots provided in the tweet.
And then, No. 36:
So Shellenberger here is pulling a subtle bait-and-switch - blurring the distinction between the authenticity of the laptop itself, and the authenticity of all the data ON the laptop. He doesn't want you to consider the possibility that even if the laptop is genuinely Hunter Biden's, that some of the data on the laptop might be corrupted, faked and/or hacked. Which absolutely is a distinct possibility at this point. But oh no, we are told in the very next tweet:
Oh no, it's blindingly obvious that the laptop genuinely belonged to Hunter Biden. Even a complete amateur could figure it out! And ignore the fact that an authentic laptop is not the same as authentic data ON the laptop. "Authentic laptop" means "Everything's legit", and Baker OBVIOUSLY would have known, therefore his stated reason for claiming it was hacked must be a lie. That is what Shellenberger wants us to conclude. But he hasn't proved his point. He has pulled a fast one without proving it.
Indeed, if you go to the infamous letter that the 50 intelligence people signed claiming that the laptop was a "Russian information operation":
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276
they didn't claim that the laptop itself was bogus, only that, perhaps, some of the data on the laptop might not be authentic.
And then in the next tweet, Shellenberger claims:
It's a WILD hack-and-dump story, you see. It's WILD because the FBI dudes know it's OBVIOUSLY FALSE, right?
And from then on he refers to the FBI's actions as the "influence operation", lol.
That is how you push a narrative under the guise of "independent journalism". Well done.
Amazing. Truly.
Yes, it does take some talent to recognize when truthful reporting switches into narrative pushing. You, being a person who values truth and all, would know all about that, right? Right?
Needs moar hmmmm!
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
Which absolutely is a distinct possibility at this point.
By all means, cite whichever institution that has any evidence of such.
Jeffry’s got none. He’s full of shit, as usual.
He’s moved to *possible*.
“Thought experiments “
"cite whichever institution that has any evidence of such."
Lol, poor Jeff.
Evidence of a possibility?
It happened, but come on... you'd think it was disinformation too!
Biden just *happens to appear* a few weeks before the election? Really?
Oh and by "a few weeks before the election" you mean mid 2019? Because it was pretty much all of 2019 that the computer shop owner was desperately trying to hand the laptop over to the FBI.
Jeff knows he was lying about the timing but he was hoping we wouldn't notice. I think he imagines everyone here is Sarcasmic or something.
Again, It Is Known That™ the DNC/Foreign Asset portion of the Steele Dossier didn't exist until Apr. '16 and triggered a 2-yr., $30+M investigation that, if true, should've swept up both Russian assets and Obama Admin useful morons.
Just like that, even if you think Hunter is completely innocent or should just be forgiven, there are still people who didn't do their job to criminally negligent levels who should be investigated and/or fired.
How is it Twitter's job to determine the veracity of any journalism especially coming from a well-established newspaper? They are, essentially, a software engineering company. It is not their area of expertise. Furthermore, the hysteria they were responding to about "Russian Collusion" was entirely contrived by the Democrats and fellow traveling Never Trumpers in their own variety of election denial. The whole notion was a partisan lie to begin with.
The FBI had the laptop in their possession for an entire year before any of this happened. That's why the FBI knew the hack-and-dump story was "obviously false".
Not to mention there was a contemporaneous witness, a party to the emails, who went on national television and personally verified the contents. In person. By name. Not some hazy "anonymous" source, but the CEO of a Biden-China company.
Good gravy, man, why are you carrying water for these sleazy operators? What would it take for you to stop believing their nonsense?
“What would it take for you to stop believing their nonsense?”
They’d have to kick him off the payroll.
I rarely leave comments, but this article is so terrible I'm compelled to. What is the author trying to say? That's it's okay to collude between private media and the government to quell speech as long as it's for the right reasons?
Look, the First Amendment isn't a suicide pact. What if someone were to say something that contradicts the Centers for Disease Control and points out that maybe a public health agency limiting the ability of landlords to collect on their investments is somewhat beyond the imagined parameters of the CDC's original charter?
This IS a terrible article. Their entire coverage of the Twitter Files has been terrible. They ignore the obvious takeaways and characterize the twitter file revelations as "things we already knew". Which is a bit dubious, since they used to dismiss conservative complaints on Twitter as bellyaching.
Yes.
Yes. Reason typically cedes the statist ground only to quibble over the details.
ENB is going to write about the commentary again thanks to you. Apologize.
Why didn't they just change the name to "Granma" and be done with it?
Here's the summary of the laptop story for those that have forgotten the details.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/twitter-files-how-fbi-moved-quash-hunter-laptop-story-and-after-ny-post-bombshell
"...Emails and documents explaining Twitter deliberations here are interesting—though hardly the sort of smoking guns many on the right are making them out to be. Taken all together, they showcase a company trying hard to balance competing concerns,..."
Fucking hilarious!
'Should we just ban Trump, or perhaps also run a series of tweets accusing him of screwing goats on the plaz at high noon?'
Those sorts of "competing concerns"?
“But all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI.”
This is just getting sad at this point. Why is reason repeating weak deflection talking points by the left? Have they never heard of Carter Page? Peter Strozak? Andrew Mccabe, who was next in line after Comey’s departure, is a Trump guy?
Of course there was no coercion – because there didn’t need to be one. Twitter was already a lapdog of the left and shared the FBI’s hostility to Donald Trump and political bias. Twitter schemed to ban users like Libsoftiktok. Merrick Garland characterized angry parents at school meetings as domestic terrorists. Get the picture?
And just listen to how happy Twitter was about getting PAID to do the government’s work. “I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019!” If the Chinese government paid Twitter money to monitor and take down satire accounts that made fun of their leaders, would Reason writers would make the extraordinary distinction that the Chinese government didn’t TECHNICALLY collude with a private company?
What’s the difference between this and a school snooping on student social media account and taking disciplinary measures on off campus activity (which draws ire from writers here)? The government doesn’t need to file formal charges to place surveillance on people, but that should involve some credible threat or crime. Is Reason not concerned that the FBI paid the biggest social media bulletin board of the world to surveil joke accounts making legal speech?
"Why is reason repeating weak deflection talking points by the left?"
You know why.
Only 3.4 million? The FedGov spends that much every 18 seconds.
So no widespread interference with anyone's First Amendment rights....
Shorter version: ENB "hearts" the FBI.
The backlash is going to be much bigger than normie libs expect.
No one thinks this is ok except regime Jurnolisssts
And Lying Jeffy.
Take note that at every step of the twitter files, the trend has unabashedly been moving into "it's as bad as you thought", but leftarians like jeffy must deflect away as hard as they can to protect the narrative that those icky conspiracy theorists (who have been more vindicated than not) were wrong.
I'm trying to bring you guys back down to earth. You all have a habit of hyperventilating and emoting wildly about every thing that the government does.
The Disinformation Governance Board, became MINISTRY OF TRUTH.
The Garland memo to hold meetings to discuss school board security, became THEY'RE THROWING PARENTS INTO GULAGS.
The "raid" at Mar-a-Lago, became BANANA REPUBLIC.
And now, the Twitter Files becomes THE GOVERNMENT IS CONTROLLING YOUR SPEECH.
Do you see a pattern here? Each of these issues becomes wildly exaggerated to the point of absurd hyperbole. I am trying to inject some reality into the situation.
In this case, I am trying to point out that there were some *very good reasons*, *AT THE TIME*, to dispute the legitimacy of the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop's hard drive, that have nothing to do with shilling for Team Blue, that have nothing to do with blind obedience to "national security experts". Meaning, that the copy of the hard drive that was in the NY Post's possession was a totally unsecured copy to which untold numbers of people had access to, and so we had no idea what data on it was genuine and what was corrupted *at the time*.
And Shellenberger's reporting here is deliberately framing the story so as to claim that this FBI Baker guy, *absolutely* knew that not only was the laptop legit, but *all the data* was ALSO legit - that HE KNEW, without a shadow of a doubt - but that he deliberately tried to fool Yoel Roth and Twitter into suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story based on a figleaf rationale of "hacked materials" because he was part of the Deep State intentionally inflicting an "intelligence operation" on Twitter to try to 'get Trump'. That is the angle he's going with, and it's dishonest and deceptive.
And I am not surprised you are lapping it up because it dovetails nicely with the libertarian paranoia that all of you have when it comes to the FBI. No wonder it sounds so believable, *because it confirms all of your biases and assumptions!* Wow funny that!
“THEY’RE THROWING PARENTS INTO GULAGS.”
Who said this?
It's a chemjeff original.
“Do you see a pattern here?”
Oh yeah, the pattern here is clear to everyone.
You all have a habit of hyperventilating and emoting wildly about every thing that the government does.
Almost like libertatians don't explicitly or implicitly trust the government to be transparent. I mean FFS, we only know what we know now because Elon outed the feds. Are you going to live in denial of the trends?
I am trying to point out that there were some *very good reasons*, *AT THE TIME*,
So the past can be excused even though the present presents clear evidence of past wrongdoing? I'll remember that the next time you complain about the death penalty.
No wonder it sounds so believable, *because it confirms all of your biases and assumptions!* Wow funny that!
Alternative proposal: The institution you defended was, in fact, doing what those icky people accused them of doing. Perish the thought.
Almost like libertatians don’t explicitly or implicitly trust the government to be transparent.
There is a difference between distrust and paranoia.
Distrust is, "I don't think they are being honest. Let's see if we can find some independent facts to either confirm or deny their version of events."
Paranoia is, "I don't think they are being honest. Therefore I will assume they are Fascist Nazi Deep State Traitors and use my wildest imagination to accuse them of the worst crimes imaginable."
Do you see the difference?
The institution you defended was
But I'm not actually defending the FBI here. Do you not see this? Nowhere do I ever say that it was right and proper for the FBI to be telling Twitter to censor specific tweets. I simply don't agree with the wildest interpretations of their motives.
It was like that with the rest of the things that I mentioned too:
I disagreed with the Disinformation Governance Board, but I didn't think that it represented literal MINITRUE. For that I was accused of supporting DGB.
I did not think it was wise for the FBI to be getting involved in local matters regarding school board security. I just didn't think they were running around branding parents as domestic terrorists and throwing them in jail. For that I was accused of supporting a totalitarian fascist FBI throwing protesting parents in jail.
It just goes on and on.
It is as if you think that there is one and only one truth, and that truth is the right-wing narrative of things. Objecting to the right-wing narrative means objecting to the truth, which makes one an enemy and supporting evil. It is stupid and ridiculous and perhaps cooler heads should prevail.
There is a difference between distrust and paranoia.
I'm sorry that you cannot be arsed to separate your personal disdain of specific people here to actually admit that the truth was closer to the paranoia and distrust.
No one can help you with that.
It is as if you think that there is one and only one truth, and that truth is the right-wing narrative of things. Objecting to the right-wing narrative means objecting to the truth, which makes one an enemy and supporting evil. It is stupid and ridiculous and perhaps cooler heads should prevail.
I'm also not sorry that you insist on denying the truths in front of you as you go off to cite institutionalists as your appeal to authority.
Not only will no one help you with that one, but it's probably a terminal bias.
the truth was closer to the paranoia and distrust.
No it wasn't.
Do you *honestly* think that, as of Oct. 14, 2020, when the NY Post story broke, that the FBI Baker guy at Twitter, *knew*, unequivocally, that BOTH the laptop AND all the data on the laptop were absolutely genuine, but decided to lie to Yoel Roth and the rest of Twitter claiming that it was "hacked materials", in order to instigate an "intelligence operation" AGAINST Twitter to get them to suppress the laptop, presumably in the service of a Deep State Agenda to remove Trump? Do you think this is the case? If so, then state clearly your proof for specifically this scenario.
“THEY’RE THROWING PARENTS INTO GULAGS.”
Who said this?
"Do you *honestly* think that, as of Oct. 14, 2020, when the NY Post story broke, that the FBI Baker guy at Twitter, *knew*, unequivocally, that BOTH the laptop AND all the data on the laptop were absolutely genuine, but decided to lie to Yoel Roth and the rest of Twitter claiming that it was “hacked materials”, in order to instigate an “intelligence operation” AGAINST Twitter to get them to suppress the laptop, presumably in the service of a Deep State Agenda to remove Trump?..."
As a lying pile of lefty shit, I'm sure you'll find a way to avoid answering this:
What business was it of the FBI to get involved here?
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1604873916752703491?t=yOaJnNDEr8O5tZKSk-gZ_w&s=19
The story begins in December 2019 when a Delaware computer store owner named John Paul (J.P.) Mac Isaac contacts the FBI about a laptop that Hunter Biden had left with him
On Dec 9, 2019, the FBI issues a subpoena for, and takes, Hunter Biden’s laptop.
[Link]
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1604879477732831235?t=Ds4TgoGb_P6NTIndaaueIw&s=19
12. And yet, during all of 2020, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies repeatedly primed Yoel Roth to dismiss reports of Hunter Biden’s laptop as a Russian “hack and leak” operation.
This is from a sworn declaration by Roth given in December 2020.
13. They did the same to Facebook, according to CEO Mark Zuckerberg. “The FBI basically came to us [and] was like, ‘Hey... you should be on high alert. We thought that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in 2016 election. There's about to be some kind of dump similar to that.'"
[Links]
32. By mid-Sept, 2020, Chan & Roth had set up an encrypted messaging network so employees from FBI & Twitter could communicate.
They also agree to create a “virtual war room” for “all the [Internet] industry plus FBI and ODNI” [Office of the Director of National Intelligence].
33. Then, on Sept 15, 2020 the FBI’s Laura Dehmlow, who heads up the Foreign Influence Task Force, and Elvis Chan, request to give a classified briefing for Jim Baker, without any other Twitter staff, such as Yoel Roth, present.
35. In response to Roth, Baker repeatedly insists that the Hunter Biden materials were either faked, hacked, or both, and a violation of Twitter policy. Baker does so over email, and in a Google doc, on October 14 and 15.
36. And yet it's inconceivable Baker believed the Hunter Biden emails were either fake or hacked. The @nypost had included a picture of the receipt signed by Hunter Biden, and an FBI subpoena showed that the agency had taken possession of the laptop in December 2019.
I *honestly* think FBI Baker guy *knew*, unequivocally, exactly what he was supposed to do regardless of what or how much information he was privy to though I don't think I'm out on a limb when I say I think he was privy to a lot. And I *honestly* believe you operate in the precisely the same fashion except they don't bother providing you with any information. Because you're a stooge.
“THEY’RE THROWING PARENTS INTO GULAGS.”
Who said this?
Distrust is, “I don’t think they are being honest. Let’s see if we can find some independent facts to either confirm or deny that the information on the laptop is real.”
Paranoia is, “I don’t think they are being honest. Therefore I will assume they are spreading Russian disinformation and use my power as an FBI agent to get them censored.”
FTFY.
"The Disinformation Governance Board, became MINISTRY OF TRUTH.
The Garland memo to hold meetings to discuss school board security, became THEY’RE THROWING PARENTS INTO GULAGS.
The “raid” at Mar-a-Lago, became BANANA REPUBLIC.
And now, the Twitter Files becomes THE GOVERNMENT IS CONTROLLING YOUR SPEECH.
Each of these issues becomes wildly exaggerated to the point of absurd hyperbole."
The first part of each point was bad enough, even with your gross mischaracterizations and retarded attempts at downplaying.
If you were a libertarian instead of a fucking nazi you would have been horrified.
Jeff seems to be going with the bad actors had good intentions in order to defend them.
Huh? It’s known without doubt that the FBI knew Hunter’s laptop wasn’t Russian disinformation. So why did they pay millions? Clearly to protect Biden. Sometimes I wonder if Reason is also paid by the government. Or giant companies, same thing.
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The FBI Paid Twitter $3.4 Million for Processing Requests
By the way, that right there, on its own is an actionable offense. They were subsidizing ban requests with public money.
It's done. This is, in my opinion, possibly the greatest scandal in Federal interference into media messaging in American history.
Hell, I remember when a small corner of the liberal media had a fainting-couch moment when it was found out that the Clinton administration was collaborating with network television writers and producers to insert anti-drug messaging into their nightly television shows. It was one of the rare times the DemOp media started to suggest that Clinton might have gone too far.
Wouldn't it depend on what the "statutory basis" was for the payments? Don't you want to know?
"Twitter may seek reimbursement for costs associated with information produced pursuant to legal process and as permitted by law (e.g., under 18 U.S.C. §2706)." But the fact that this garnered millions from the FBI was not, as far as I can tell, known until now.
So the FBI presented this to Twitter as pursuant to a "defined legal process, permitted by law" when we now know that there was no legal process, permitted by law. It was just "we don't like this story, here's some money, shut it down."
So either Twitter knew this wasn't part of a legal process, permitted by law, and accepted the money, meaning they're an active participant in a bribe. Or... Twitter BELIEVED it was part of a legal process, permitted by law and unknowingly took money believing this was... part of a legal process, which means the FBI was lying and using this as coercion by lying to Twitter.
If I'm a billion dollar media company, and President Trump's FBI comes to me and says, "We think this is Russian disinformation which makes my campaign look bad, take this down," I'm going to say, "Yeah, ok, I'll need a court order for that."
Are you suggesting there are court orders for this? If there is, than that slams hard into the "coercion" block-- another thing we keep being told "didn't happen".
There is no situation that this turd becomes a *checks notes* not turd.
when we now know that there was no legal process, permitted by law.
We do? I don't think we know this.
Following your citation,
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2706
Section 2702 says:
And Section 2511(2)(a) says:
So it's all legal if there's a secret FISA warrant or if there's a letter from the AG authorizing it. And it honestly wouldn't surprise me to learn that one (or both!) of those exist.
Which just goes to show that the real problem here isn't the FBI itself, it's the statutory authority they have to do what they did. That is what needs to be fixed here. Unsurprisingly it yet again comes back to FISA.
Do you think it was a problem when FBI agents lied on FISA applications to spy on Trump?
Don't expect that slimy pile of lying lefty shit to show any consistency.
I don’t. But he appears willing to beclown himself more than usual this evening, so I thought I’d toss it out and see if he’d respond.
Notice lying pile of lefty shit Jeffy cites a wall-o'-words all "supporting" his claim until the end:
"...So it’s all legal if there’s a secret FISA warrant or if there’s a letter from the AG authorizing it. And it honestly wouldn’t surprise me to learn that one (or both!) of those exist..."
*if* and shitbag 'wouldn't be surprised!
We are to take the assumption of a pathological liar as support for his claim?
Stuff your MDS up your ass to keep your head and your TDS company, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Telling a social media company to censor a joke tweet is simply not “wiretapping in support of a warrant or a letter from the AG”. A memo isn't going to cover up this big of a mess.
Don’t you want to know?
Yes, investigate the fuck out of it. Fire, prosecute, tar and feather, hang, behead, and draw and quarter everyone involved who violated their oath to defend and uphold the 1A. If that means Trump doesn't run again, by all means. As long as you nobody tries to peddle the shit sandwich that he's the only one or it was just Trump cronies. Both sides.
This was the deal, out of the gate, with the Russian investigation. If Trump were a Russian stooge, someone let a Russian stooge fix an election. Turns out it was much, much worse and that your "Don't you want to know?" deflection is a cellophane defense.
It’s done. This is, in my opinion, possibly the greatest scandal in Federal interference into media messaging in American history.
Pretty definitively, there aren't enough 'greater than' symbols to capture the distinction between "$3.4M, +1 laptop, National Conversation between Oct. '19 and Feb. '21" and "18.5 min. of a President's own tape recording in his own office between himself and his COS".
Now do Facebook...
Holy fucking shit, ENB! How dishonest can you be?! There is a clear pattern of twitter and the government acting in a biased manner to harm the right and support the left. On top of all this you have evidence that the government paid twitter to silence speech it knew was accurate but politically damaging for democrats. Despite all of this, your take is the government did a good job and twitter employees were responsible free speech advocates? Get the fuck out of here you absolute hack.
“Holy fucking shit, ENB! How dishonest can you be?!…”
Pretty much answered in the article; a lying pile of lefty shit.
Don't sell her short. I'm sure she's got plenty more dishonesty left to spare given her history.
Wrong place
"...Shellenberger's new installment centers on Twitter's decision to temporarily block a New York Post story about Hunter Biden just before the 2020 election..."
"Temporarily", as in until after the election, ENB?
"Among other things, the new thread details how Trump-era FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) warnings about potential foreign meddling in the 2020 election drove excessive caution from Twitter officials when the Hunter Biden story first came out."
That's a very "convenient" reading of the data; shall we admit, ENB, that you are full of shit?
"...Emails and documents explaining Twitter deliberations here are interesting—though hardly the sort of smoking guns many on the right are making them out to be..."
At least the steaming pile of lefty shit ENB gets something correct; the left is not at all concerned with the fascistic activities *DOCUMENTED* here.
Liz, I think I’m one of your biggest defenders, but this is pretty bad.
I get that you dislike Trump, and for good reasons, but I don’t understand why you’re soft-pedaling on this one. This isn’t just some somewhat icky behavior on the part of the FBI and DHS, this is a scandalous attempt by the government themselves to influence an election and a credulous media– which you’re joining in on, in this case-- carrying water for the culprits. If you were writing about the FBI’s lies regarding “sex trafficking” and prostitution and SESTA/FOSTA you wouldn’t over and over again be giving them the benefit of the doubt, you’d be pointing out the dysphemisms, the rhetorical sleight of hand, and calling them all on their bullshit.
You’re better than this.
“You’re better than this.”
Seems pretty par for the course from here.
Not really
"I get that you dislike Trump, and for good reasons,..."
What would those "good reasons" be? Specifics, please. Or...
TDS - it's not pretty.
When you wonder if the FBI is up to something nefarious, just remember whose name they put on the FBI Building. That tells you all you need to know.
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Among other things, the new thread details how Trump-era FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) warnings about potential foreign meddling in the 2020 election drove excessive caution from Twitter officials when the Hunter Biden story first came out.
Reason, It is all Trump’s fault Biden’s corrupt government paid to cover up Biden influence peddling and suppress free speech. What a bunch of morons. The Sunday Funnies page is less of a joke than Reason.
“Twitter’s internal communications do not suggest a company itching to tilt the 2020 election or to benefit Joe Biden but one still reeling from accusations of aiding Russian trolls during the 2016 election and facing immense pressure from government forces not to let it happen again.”
To the extent that Russian trolls existed, how did Twitter aid them other than being a communications platform? Is a phone company responsible for aiding crimes discussed over their network?
Would a Reason writer be this sanguine over a company’s decision to turn over third party data about a customer without a warrant, even if they were under accusation of aiding criminals? Would ENB dismiss that if the crime was prostitution or other sex work?
The hysteria over Russian collusion was contrived by the Democrat as their own form of election denial.
Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI.
If you believe for a second that DHS and FBI were following Trump's orders, you need to get your meds adjusted. They were working against him from the day he announced his intention to seek the nomination.
-jcr
The argument about a private company being able to do as they please is dead. Now we have the government fully involved in restricting free speech. Yet no one will pay a price for violating the 1st Amendment rights of millions of Americans.
So it turns out that the federal government has a small army of employees and contractors who spend their days policing speech on social media. Are any of my friends in DOJ, the FBI, or the DHS willing to come forward as whistle blowers? I know you didn’t sign on to be hall monitors, but a shockingly large number of people in your agency are doing exactly that.
The NY Post describes this whole mess as “Democrats scramble to save censorship”. The money quote:
“In his deposition for the Missouri First Amendment lawsuit against the Biden administration, FBI San Francisco agent Elvis Chan, who set up meetings with Big Tech, named seven platforms: “The companies that I remember attending the meetings are Facebook; Microsoft; Google; Twitter; Yahoo!, which may have been known as Verizon Media at the time; Wikimedia Foundation and Reddit.” John Sauer, the Missouri solicitor general who questioned Chan, suggests there are as many as 14 companies, including YouTube and LinkedIn.
Wherever you communicate, the feds have been there, policing your speech.”
This goes way, way beyond just the FBI. From the previous installment of the Twitter Files we learned that the FBI, DHS, DOJ, Director of National Intelligence, multiple state governments, the Center for Internet Security, Stanford University, the Atlantic Council, the University of Washington, and many others were all in on it.
Your tax dollars at work.
And in closing I'd like to thank the January 6th Committee for reminding us on nearly a daily basis that there is, in fact, a cabal of people out there who are diligently working to prevent the free exchange of information.
It's just a matter of who.
The real villains are the FBI, DHS and other regime agencies. The leftist twits that ran Twitter are evil, but not to the same degree.
"Yikes". That's the best these frauds at Reason can muster about this outrage. And naturally it goes without saying that there's absolutely no sense of contrition, much less an admission that Reason was wrong and the critics of Twitter were right all along. That's just not the D.C. way! In D.C., nobody ever, ever admits to being wrong about anything.
The good news is that the hearings we desperately need will finally get started in about two weeks. The bad news is that the dishonest charlatans of Reason don't even want any hearings to happen at all, much less for anyone to be held accountable. Because accountability terrifies the D C. power set even more than truth.
I'll bet you a hundred internet points that nothing comes of it.
What's the conversion from internet points to Quatloos?
"Rather than agencies intent on swaying the 2020 election for Biden, their actions seem like run-of-the-mill paranoia and attempts at control." To me that seems like the most damning part of this whole thing - that paranoia and attempts to control information and media were ordinary for the FBI and other deep state agencies. There is certainly a legitimate role for the Federal government to collect intelligence, but what they DO about information they collect should be strictly limited by the Constitution of the United States of America and by legislation. So-called "disinformation" is not in any way a threat to the national security and attempts to influence voters by foreign governments with opinions or even false information should not be illegal. Even if some politicians think that information is somehow an existential threat to their democracy, their sentiments should be squelched by the people. If the people can't make good decisions about the information they use to base their votes on, what good is democracy in the first place?
Their democracy = their oligarchy. The United States owes Russia and China an apology for criticizing them for suppressing free speech.
This author, quite bluntly, is an idiot. The FBI knew the Hunter laptop was legit because it had the info for a year before the Post story broke. And come on, anyone with an ounce of sense knew it was legit within a minute.
What a joke this article is.
And this did influence the elections--remember, there were these little things called the debates--the execrable Chris Wallace, while lying about what Trump actually said about Charlottesville, would not have been able to shut down the conversation that Trump tried to have about the Biden laptop, and does ANYONE think that Biden could have handled it? Instead, Biden, with the help of the FBI got to mock Trump as using Russian disinformation in the debates.
This is inexcusable. I have operated under the assumption that TDS had pushed left libertarians into a state of taking the anti-Trump side as a knee jerk reflex, making them partner with progressives as a side effect.
This article puts an end to that. This is straight party propaganda. The data from the Twitter files is not ambiguous. ENB herself drew the line in the sand years ago.. remember "private company"? The out was always "of there was government involvement" then this would be a huge scandal and violate the first amendment.
Well?
Now it is just a good faith effort to fight foreign interference?
You lie.
Not "you are mistaken". This is a bald faced lie. I know it is a lie because it has been proven impossible many times over. It is in the Twitter files themselves... but beyond that, it took a couple of days for journalists to find the people on the Biden laptop emails and confirm the truth. You know this. The FBI had the information long before that. You know this.
There is no argument that the FBI was merely acting to prevent Russian interference. This was an obvious cover story from the beginning.
If this is a lie that you truly believe, you should step down immediately. No real libertarian would believe this lie. It is too stupid, too brazen and too nakedly relies on partisan blinders.
And if you don't believe it, why would you write it?
Again, anyone who would write a deep state propaganda piece does not belong at a libertarian magazine. And make no mistake, this is a Deep state propaganda piece.
The only logical conclusion is that this is no longer a libertarian magazine. We have been duped. Our home has been subverted.
"...The only logical conclusion is that this is no longer a libertarian magazine. We have been duped. Our home has been subverted."
It's the cause of my, now, $2.50 annual contribution; don't want them to think they've been forgotten. Just mocked.
Thread winner! Plus 1,000 up-votes (if that was permitted on a libertarian platform).
A bing search for 'FBI pays twitter for censorship' gets links to this, NYPost, and very little else.
The Chron didn't even mention it, CNN/CBS/MSNBC/NYT/WAPO/LA Times? Not a peep.
Perhaps the FBI is paying far more to many other media outlets.
Really pathetic. I was on the fence about continuing to donate to the Reason Foundation this year, but a few bad articles and frankly ridiculous comments by staffers in the last month push me into the no column. Reading this article, I now know I made the right decision. This is straight up government apologia.
"[Twitter's internal communications] showcase a company trying hard to balance competing concerns..." BS
“…how Trump-era FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) warnings about potential foreign meddling in the 2020 election drove excessive caution from Twitter officials when the Hunter Biden story first came out.” Shill alert! The tards on Twitter are shouting the same defense, pretending the career staffers at FBI & DHS HQ and ODNI are under the close supervision of the temp occupant of the White House. DC metro area, the human capital for seat of our federal govt, votes > 90% team blue. It’s called a swap for good reason.
Glenn Greenwald discussing this issue with a real reporter.
This fillets the propaganda piece talking points our editor makes here.
https://youtu.be/0O66cR2BIgU
The big reveal here.... the FBI was spying on Trumps lawyer Giuliani in 2020 and had the details of the email sent to Giuliani by the repair shop guy that detailed the contents.... and they also already had the laptop. And then they spied on the NY Post reporter's communication with Giuliani so they knew when the story was coming.
The FBI used this information to run a training exercise called "barisma leak" with the NYT, WaPo, Twitter in which they ran through a hypothetical scenario of a late election leak of harmful information from Barisma on a hacked laptop. The only change from reality was the hypothetical scenario was a forgery by Russia.
They were actively and preemptively spreading disinformation to affect the outcome of the election. There is no other possible conclusion.
ENB, you are standing on the wrong side. This is the worst scandal in US history. It is a continuation of the same conspiracy that gave us the Russia hoax... it is the same thing the CIA does in places like Ukrain to interfere with their elections and install friendly governments.
Good grief! Is ENB an FBI/CIA plant at Reason?!
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