A Federal Judge Suggests That Oregon's 10-Round Magazine Limit Does Not Implicate the Second Amendment
The new ban, which has been blocked by a state judge, so far has fared better in federal court.

A state judge in Oregon this week issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) against the enforcement of new gun restrictions that were scheduled to take effect today. At issue is Measure 114, which Oregon voters narrowly approved last month. The initiative, which has provoked several lawsuits in state and federal court, requires permits to buy firearms and bans magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds.
The federal lawsuits argue that the 10-round magazine limit violates the Second Amendment. The cases are notable because they will provide an indication of how judges are apt to apply the constitutional test that the Supreme Court prescribed in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen, the June 23 decision that upheld the right to carry guns outside the home for self-defense.
So far the signs are not promising for those who hoped that Bruen would be a "wrecking ball to dismantle gun control laws nationwide." In response to lawsuits filed by the Oregon Firearms Federation and the Firearms Policy Coalition, a federal judge this week declined to issue a TRO against Measure 114, based on reasoning that seems designed to sabotage that wrecking ball.
The state lawsuit, which was filed by Gun Owners of America, has fared better in the early stages. It targets both the magazine limit and the purchase permit provision, which requires would-be gun owners to submit fingerprints and complete safety training as well as pass a criminal background check and authorizes the state police to deny permits to people they view as dangerous. Those new rules, the lawsuit argues, violate the Oregon Constitution's guarantee that "the people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves."
Harney County Circuit Court Judge Robert Raschio seems receptive to that argument. Without a TRO, he ruled on Tuesday, the plaintiffs "will be deprived of their right to bear arms" under the state constitution "by being made unable to lawfully purchase a firearm [because the requisite training program has not been established yet] or bear a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition." He added that "deprivation of constitutional rights for any period constitutes irreparable harm." The state asked the Oregon Supreme Court to stay Raschio's order, which it declined to do on Wednesday.
U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut, by contrast, seems inclined to think that the magazine limit does not implicate the Second Amendment at all. And if it does, she said in two orders issued the same day that Raschio blocked Measure 114, it does not amount to the sort of constitutional violation that would justify a TRO based on the evidence presented so far. Immergut's reasoning is reminiscent of the highly deferential approach to gun control laws that Bruen was supposed to remedy.
Bruen unambiguously rejected the "two-step" analysis that many courts had applied in upholding gun control laws. The first step asked whether the challenged law affected conduct covered by the Second Amendment, while the second step weighed that imposition against the law's purported public safety benefits. That was "one step too many," the Court said in Bruen: "When the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. The government must then justify its regulation by demonstrating that it is consistent with the Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."
The Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) argues that Oregon's 10-round cap, which includes exceptions for law enforcement and for previously owned magazines as long as they are kept at home or used only for "recreational activities such as hunting," fails the Bruen test. The "arms" covered by the Second Amendment include magazines, it says, and the "large capacity magazines" targeted by Measure 114 have been around a lot longer than legal attempts to prohibit them.
"Firearms capable of holding multiple rounds have existed since the late 15th century, and firearms capable of firing more than ten rounds without reloading have existed at least since the late 16th century," the FPC notes. "Firearms capable of firing multiple rounds without reloading were well known to the founding generation….Magazines holding over 10 rounds were commonly possessed already in the 1860s, 130 years before attempts to strictly regulate them would come along."
Such magazines remain "in common use" for "lawful purposes," the standard that the Supreme Court has applied in determining which arms are covered by the Second Amendment. "Although Measure 114 describes magazines that can accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition as 'large capacity magazines,' this is a misnomer," the FPC says. "Magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition are a normal feature of firearms in the United States and are more accurately described as 'standard capacity magazines.'"
The FPC cites Georgetown University political economist William English's 2021 National Firearms Survey, which found that 48 percent of gun owners had owned magazines that could hold more than 10 rounds. Those results, the FPC says, suggest that "as many as half a billion of these standard capacity magazines have been owned by Americans throughout the United States." That is an upper-bound estimate, since people who reported that they ever owned such magazines may have subsequently sold them. But even allowing for some double counting, these numbers indicate that the magazines banned by Measure 114 are indeed "in common use," typically for "lawful purposes."
Are magazine restrictions "consistent with the Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation"? "There is no historical tradition of prohibiting the manufacture,
importation, or sale of magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds," the FPC says. "Magazine bans were unknown in the United States before the 20th century. Bans like Oregon's are recent phenomena—indeed, until Measure 114 was put in place, Oregon did not restrict manufacturing, transferring, possessing, or using standard capacity magazines, and no such laws existed anywhere in the United States before the 1990s."
Immergut was unimpressed by those facts. In her orders denying TROs, she questions whether "the Second Amendment's plain text" covers ownership of the magazines banned by Measure 114. "The Second Amendment covers firearms and items 'necessary to use' those firearms," she writes. Since guns that accept "large capacity magazines" also accept smaller magazines, she suggests, the former may not qualify: "Plaintiffs have not shown, at this stage, that magazines specifically capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition are necessary to the use of firearms for self-defense."
The FPC cites a couple of real-life cases that suggest magazine capacity can be crucial in fending off armed home invaders. More generally, it notes that shots fired in self-defense often miss their target, even when fired by trained police officers. Measure 114's exemption for police officers recognizes that fact, the FPC says, and "the average Oregon citizen has just as much right as a police officer to defend herself with standard capacity magazines."
For Immergut, however, the crucial point is that situations where Oregon's magazine limit would impair self-defense are "exceedingly rare." In effect, she is suggesting that arms are not covered by the Second Amendment unless the government agrees that they are "necessary"—and not for "lawful purposes" generally but for self-defense in particular.
Immergut even questions whether "large capacity magazines" are "in common use" for "lawful purposes," which seems undeniable given how many law-abiding Americans own them. "Plaintiffs have not shown that magazines capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition are firearms in '"common use" today for self-defense' and thereby covered by the plain text of the Second Amendment," she writes.
In English's survey, owners of "large capacity" magazines cited a variety of lawful uses. Recreational target shooting, which was mentioned by 64 percent of the magazine owners, was the most common, followed by home defense (62 percent), hunting (47 percent), defense outside the home (42 percent), and competitive shooting (27 percent). Immergut acknowledges those findings but deems them inconclusive. Her analysis first limits "lawful purposes" to self-defense, then narrows the focus further to cases in which someone actually fired more than 10 rounds for that purpose. If that does not happen very often, she reasons, gun owners do not have a valid Second Amendment complaint about Oregon's magazine limit.
Even if they did, Immergut suggests, the "minimal" burden imposed by that law is justified by its expected public safety benefits. "Large-capacity magazines appear to be the weapon of choice for the commission of mass shootings," she says.
The FPC argues that the magazine limit is unlikely to have any measurable impact on violent crime:
Unlike law-abiding citizens, violent criminals will not be meaningfully
constrained by Oregon's magazine ban. Given the hundreds of millions of magazines in circulation in the country (including in Oregon, where they remain widely possessed), it will not be difficult for violent criminals to acquire them through illegal sales or importation despite Oregon's ban. And unlike law-abiding citizens, violent criminals will have no compunction about violating Oregon's magazine ban. Even if violent criminals were effectively prevented from acquiring banned magazines, they could easily compensate by bringing multiple firearms or magazines with them to the scene of the crime. Their ability to do so is made possible by the fact that violent criminals, and not their law-abiding victims, choose the time and place of crimes and can plan accordingly.
Leaving that debate aside, Bruen cautioned against "any judge-empowering 'interest-balancing inquiry' that 'asks whether the statute burdens a protected interest in a way or to an extent that is out of proportion to the statute's salutary effects upon other important governmental interests.'" Immergut acknowledges that the Supreme Court "rejected means-ends scrutiny" but adds that "Bruen still instructed lower courts to consider the 'how and why' of a particular regulation in historical context." And "in considering whether Defendants are comparably justified in imposing Measure 114 as were this Nation's earlier legislatures in imposing historical regulations," she says, "this Court finds that it may consider the public safety concerns of today." That looks a lot like "means-ends scrutiny" by a different name.
What about those "historical regulations"? The FPC notes that magazine limits, which date from the 1990s, have no historical pedigree to speak of. But "in the 1800s," Immergut notes, "states often regulated certain types of weapons, such as Bowie knives, blunt weapons, slungshots, and trap guns, because they were dangerous weapons commonly used for criminal behavior and not for self-defense." She seems to think those "analogues" are close enough.
The Supreme Court may ultimately disagree. In June, the Court vacated two appeals court decisions upholding magazine limits imposed by California and New Jersey. It instructed the 9th Circuit and 3rd Circuit to reconsider the cases in light of Bruen.
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They’re the weapon of choice against a tyrannical government also.
Weapon of choice to stop mass shootings too. Almost like they're in common use or something.
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Unless you're using a shotgun or a wheel gun, you probably have a capacity of ten or more.
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Right. Because if you're not having an emotional reaction and screaming then you support the other side.
You trying to be JesseAz junior?
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This was voter approved, as in direct democracy right?
This is why the word "democracy" exists exactly zero times in the Constitution. They wanted to temper the idiocy of the mob by having representatives do the voting.
People will happily vote away limits on power if you let them.
They practically beg for it
Well, they beg/demand to do it to others.
People will happily vote away limits on power if you let them.
Almost like someone could oppose egotistical radicals "on the side of democracy". Oppose democracy and law and order on the side of overt Marxist social revolutionaries. Claim "both sides" while opposing libertarians on the side of bureaucratic officiousness. Really be advancing the centralization of power and oppression the whole time. And then pretend that everybody else is just mistaken or an insane hyperpartisan when they notice exactly what you're doing and that it takes a lot of formulation and deliberate intent to do it.
It's an infringement.
End of analysis.
Yes, that should be enough. But no reason to avoid piling on, just in case: the "exception for law enforcement" is catastrophically bad, and shows the true nature of the ban.
Not a single judge cares about the constitution one way or the other. They all just back-fill their reasoning once they come to a conclusion.
Oregon's 10-round cap, which includes exceptions for law enforcement
Because of course it does. And now you know the real purpose of these laws.
“U.S. District Judge Karin Immergut, by contrast, seems inclined to think that the magazine limit does not implicate the Second Amendment at all.”
Like, Dude, she’s a “Karen” by any other name. What do you expect her to say?
Also a Trump appointee. So he made at least one mistake.
I’m sure more shitty rulings will come out in the following years from many Trump appointments. The man got to fill like 500+ judgeships thanks to Obama’s reckless abandon of his constitutional duties, there’s no way some of them aren’t complete turds.
But at least we got Gorsuch.
Also, the Federalist Society turns out not to be into strict Originalists, they’re more into “won’t rock the boat” types.
Though to be fair, given the schools these judges are coming out of, there probably aren't enough strict originalists to fill out a list anyway.
Does the Secret Service use magazines that have more than ten rounds?
Nope, they use drones - - - - - - - -
Seems that our favorite "Karin" was appointed by Trump. WE KNOW WHO TO BLAME FOR THIS!! (sarcasm, in case you missed it)
Not too distant future - Me collecting 100's of Magpuls and driving to meet a "friend" on the Idaho side of the Oregon border.
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Let's see here:
"Shall not be infringed"
Does this law do some infringing? Yes. Therefore, unlawful.
Dude, feelings (especially fear) now outrank Constitutional law and justify endless infringement. Welcome to the United States of Entitled Victims.
What if that makes me feel bad?
That's complicated.
Probably have to start with skin color and then work our way down the tree of grievance, or whatever it is. Are you a black, transgender, woman? Then we can probably talk about how it hurts your feels.
That’s complicated.
No it's not. He's white or close enough.
Skin color is the most important thing
Busted.
I don't know if Reason had covered this story before, but I was going to post about why I heard about this law elsewhere instead of Reason. Maybe they covered it and I missed it. Anyhoo, you know what the most interesting part of this law is? There might be implications for abortion in this law, because I believe there's a provision that says that Oregon residents cannot go out of state to purchase firearms or magazines over 10 rounds.
There might be implications for abortion in this law, because I believe there’s a provision that says that Oregon residents cannot go out of state to purchase firearms or magazines over 10 rounds.
Not just abortion, sounds like such a thing would require a monumental lift on the part of “full faith and credit” and be a striking blow against it if it failed. Considering I don’t even have to present an FOID to purchase a magazine in IL, I can’t fathom how OR would force any State to check IDs on all magazine sales.
Fuck the RFMA, fuck ‘legislative full faith and credit’, fuck the commerce clause.
FFLs can sell long guns to residents of contiguous states, but the ATF says they must abide by the laws of that state. So not much "lift" is required there.
However magazines are not firearms, so private sellers in adjacent states would not be Federally encumbered.
Which does bring us back to the travelling across state lines for an abortion aspect.
It's just another example that leftists are all statists.
You can actually buy long guns in any state now (provided the state laws allow it)
No. I tried to buy a black rifle in Idaho and was prohibited from doing so as a Washington resident.
FFL's would not be required to do that for magazines either. Oregon state law does not apply to neighboring FFls.
And it's not that they must abide by the laws of that state, but that the long gun is legal to sell there. Otherwise they abide by the laws of their own state.
And they can sell you a handgun, it just has to be transferred to an FFL in your state tlwho will then transfer it to you.
It's a god-awfully written mess but I can't find what you're talking about in this Measure.
What I do see is that an Oregonian can't leave the state, buy a firearm or magazine and bring it back to Oregon unless it's in compliance with their laws. That's no different than a thousand other laws that enforce their own state-specific restrictions.
Think of marijuana legalization as a comparison. You can go to Colorado and buy and smoke as much as you like while you're there. But you're still going to get busted when you try to bring it home to Idaho. That is not a violation of the principle of "full faith and credit".
Dude, don't you even science? A 9mm slug blows the lungs right out of a person. And no person has more than 10 lungs, right?
He never said that. - jeff
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So can we extend this ‘logic’ to conclude no judge can issue more than 10 rulings?
How does one "implicate" an amendment?
Looks like Sullum's TDS has begun to cause brain-rot.
"Plaintiffs have not shown, at this stage, that magazines specifically capable of accepting more than ten rounds of ammunition are necessary to the use of firearms for self-defense."
Then why do cops need an exemption. They, literally, only are supposed to use their guns in defense of self or others.
Who defines what is a "large capacity" magazine". Ten is an arbitrary number not based on any actual data or facts. Why not five? Why not require every firearm to be a single shot firearm? This is just another backdoor attempt to infringe on law abiding citizen rights for no logical reason.
Our betters decide.
Ten is not as arbitrary as it seems, it allows the unconstitutional banning or largest number of handguns in common use without going down to a number that makes the next step, banning all of them, seem so obvious.
It has to be greater than six, because revolvers are not weapons of mass destruction like "automatic" handguns are.
The truth is some people are prone to violence. These types of people solve problems with violence. Simply taking away one weapon from violent-prone people, will only increase the use of other weapons that aren’t as easy to regulate (ie: items from any hardware store, automobiles, kitchen tools, etc).
Maybe gun owners should support “early childhood education in non-violence and civility” in public elementary schools?
Most legal gun owners are non-violent and would avoid using violence to solve issues, so they are not the problem.
Many of us in the older generation also notice a huge shift in violence in America just within the past 50 years. Instead of fist fights, now kids just shoot each other. Today parents at Little League sports events cuss out their own children or sometimes the parents get into physical altercations with other parents (setting a terrible example for their kids). Like Trump’s most rabid fans, these parents even cuss out the referees if they don’t win. Behaving like little children.
It’s not the weapon, it’s Americans embrace of violence over civility. Banning guns won’t fix that!
According to Lazarus Long, there is no such thing as a dangerous weapon; there are just dangerous men.
How do you shoot 11 deer? The 11th one will run away why you are changing magazines.
More directly related to self defense, how do you defend yourself from 12 rioters?
Shoot 10, club number 11 with the empty gun, then die.
Nothing to do with deer you fucking ignoramus.
Every time the press erupts with the news of another “mass shooting”, I look at my wife and say, “24 hours, maybe 48”. She knows what I’m talking about. Within 24 hours, maybe 48 the press will discover that the shooter had serious mental illness problems, or a history of violence, or his closest neighbors, relatives and co-workers were afraid of him because of threats and erratic behavior, or he had a criminal record, arrest record, etc. Nobody who knew the shooter well is surprised, only the victims are surprised.
Nobody wants mass shootings, least of all honest, law abiding gun owners. The only way that the situation with mass shootings will change is if our government and the collected activists demanding that “something” be done realize that the answer is identification and treatment / management / confinement of people who are seriously dangerous. Stop worrying about the 100,000,000 gun owners who are not shooting at people, and identify the small number of people who are dangerous enough to need treatment and/or confinement, have criminal records or a history of domestic violence or violence at school or the work place.
The gun grabbers used to claim that the right to keep and bear arms was only meant in defense of our political rights. Having lost that battle, they now seem to forget they ever made such arguments, and now say the right to keep and bear arms applies only to individual self-defense.
US v Miller(1939) is still good law in terms of the type of arms the second amendment covers. That court cited Aymette v. TN which teaches that “the arms the right to keep which is secured are such as are usually employed in civilized warfare, and that constitute the ordinary military equipment. If the citizens have these arms in their hands, they are prepared in the best possible manner to repel any encroachments upon their rights by those in authority.” The NFA drew the line at full auto vs semi-automatic, and since then tens of millions of ordinary citizens have owned semi-auto versions of military arms without jumping through hoops.
We must not forget that the second amendment is meant as protection of both our personal rights as well as our political rights. The gun grabbers will try any approach to nip away at those rights. They do so now by trying to pit hunters, self-defense proponents, and those who still recognize the full meaning of the second amendment against one another.
In the perfect world of the gun grabbers, the right to keep and bear arms would be limited to those people in actual militia service, and would protect their right to keep and bear only those weapons that are not useful in warfare.
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If the state courts find that the legislation violates the Oregon state constitution, it does not matter whether a federal judge decides it does not violate the federal version. It's void.
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