We Should All Be Nervous About Killer Police Robots
The San Francisco Police Department assured the public it had "no plans to arm robots with guns." But assurances aren't guarantees.

A week after voting to allow local law enforcement to equip robots with potentially deadly explosives, the San Francisco Board of Supervisors on Tuesday reversed course, nixing a policy proposal that would have permitted robot-delivered lethal force "when risk of loss of life to members of the public or officers is imminent and outweighs any other force option available."
The board backtracked from an initial 8–3 vote after noisy public outcry against "killer robots," with one supervisor, Gordon Mar, tweeting regret for his pro-robot vote because of "the clear and compelling civil liberties concerns." Initially, Mar said, he thought the proposal's guardrails were adequate, but he came to believe they were not. Moreover, he added, he doesn't think "removing the immediacy and humanity of taking a life and putting it behind a remote control is a reasonable step for a municipal police force."
That latter caution isn't as easily debated or quantified—it's more a squeamish instinct than a specific policy prescription like the call for guardrails. But both are needful as the technology available to the state for law enforcement and adjacent activities, chiefly surveillance, continues to rapidly advance. We need both concrete legal strictures and a general wariness of developments that automate, totalize, and dehumanize government processes in a manner that makes big policy reversals as well as individual recourse difficult to obtain.
The case for legal strictures is straightforward enough: Without them, mission creep is near inevitable. You start with a policy that seems very sensible and well-grounded in assurances of the care and humanity of those in charge. But you don't stay there. New uses come to mind, first similar enough to the original scheme and then increasingly distant. Frogs don't actually stay in the boiling pot, but people do.
SWAT teams are the obvious comparison here. They were created to address unusual, high-pressure situations, like the classic armed-bank-robber-with-hostages scenario. Now, fewer than one in 10 SWAT raids perform their original purpose. The rest—and there are more than 100 SWAT raids of private homes in America daily—take on far more mundane circumstances, many enforcing "laws against consensual crimes" like drug use and sales, as former Reason staffer Radley Balko has documented.
In San Francisco, after the first vote, the police department assured the public it had "no plans to arm robots with guns," in the phrase of the Associated Press. That's better than the alternative, but it isn't actually a guardrail. It isn't even a promise of a guardrail. It's a status update on conditions that—absent some constraint of law—are subject to change.
That kind of slippery language from officials on the verge of acquiring new power should always be a red flag, one on the scale car dealerships are wont to wave. It also popped up this week from the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), which is in the process of rolling out facial recognition software as an alternative to a human checking your face against your photo ID at the airport.
"The scanning and match is made and immediately overwritten at the Travel Document Checker podium," TSA program analyst Jason Lim told The Washington Post. "We keep neither the live photo nor the photo of the ID." But the agency admitted to the Post for this same report that it does, in fact, keep some photos for up to two years—which means Lim's account is likewise a mere status update (and arguably a dishonest one at that).
We don't keep your data is not We won't keep your data, and it is certainly not We are by law not permitted to keep your data. In the long run, only the last means anything at all.
Beyond its use as a warning, that official duplicity has one other benefit: It can induce a healthy skepticism. It can foster that squeamishness about introducing new technologies and programs that resist their own undoing, both in the grand scheme—after emergency passes or misgivings arrive—and for individuals mistakenly or unfairly affected.
Think, for instance, how difficult it is to get off the terrorist watchlist if you're added in error. Or how hard it will be to argue, if police use of lethal force via robot is normalized, that this arrangement should be undone. Or how the TSA itself has ceased to be an extraordinary measure and now proposes to make a computer, with which there is no reasoning, a primary arbiter of whether you can get on a plane.
Maybe the facial recognition system will be better than dealing with a TSA agent. I doubt it, with the suspicion I apply to all biometric surveillance proposals involving body parts more immutable than fingerprints. But maybe I'm wrong. And, likewise, maybe we'll decide involving more robots in law enforcement is prudent, that it will reduce police mistakes and abuses. Again, I doubt it, given the behavioral incentives robots could introduce, but this is a question on which reasonable people may disagree.
What isn't reasonable, with proliferating questions like these, is assuming all will be well of its own accord, that we have no plans means we won't, that your squeamish impulse is mere Luddism to be suppressed in the face of progress, that the state will voluntarily give up or scale down an indefensible authority once claimed.
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What if I identify as a killer robot?
In all seriousness, though, I did find it rather odd that the SF police tried to allay people's misgivings about them arming killer robots by saying, basically:
"Oh, don't worry, we aren't going to give them guns. We're only going to give them bombs!"
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The plan is/was weapons on unmanned remote control vehicles, not autonomous robots. Weapons that would be controlled and fired remotely by a live officer.
Calling that "killer robots" is beyond stupid.
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Yep, a remote controlled vehicle (controlled being the operative word) is not a robot. It is as much under the officers control as the guns they now use.
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We already have those. Ever see Battlebots? There’s no way in hell I’d want to be inside that box when they’re going at it.
An RC vehicle no matter how armed is not a "killer robot". It's not really a robot at all, despite what they call the competition.
Well Reason also opposes military drones. When Republicans are in office. Unless they're the first wave in a first strike nuclear engagement with Russia over a backwater CIA-installed kleptocracy where the political class launders its money.
That’s not necessarily better…
I suspect the reason Reason is so alarmed is because they're NOT self-driving.
It's arguably only marginally worse than an identical weapon in the hands of a live officer.
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Giving the state more weapons and power and disarming 'civilians' is the goal.
This hype is beyond silly. First, the kind of "robots" at issue here is nothing like Robocop; it's a fucking R2D2 shell, remotely controlled, slow as molasses, with a bomb inside, detonated by its human controller, and probably as useless as this article; its intended victim could probably walk away from it, shoot it, even tip it over under the right circumstances, or dump a quart of oil on the ground to stall it. It can probably be hacked remotely without much trouble and the hijackers would have a ball turning it back on its cop controller.
Second, being a gutless R2D2, no one will care if it gets shot or disabled, unlike a real cop. What're they gonna do, hold a bagpipe parade to a cemetary with hundreds of cops taking the day off?
On the contrary, the harms of armed robots are well documented and have already been felt in other jurisdictions. Apologies that I can't attribute this properly but it was discussed in the threads in a prior article about the SF vote.
In that case, there was a full-blown hostage situation. The local police used an armed robot to take a phone to the hostage-taker in order to open the negotiations and rescue the hostages. The police promised that the robot wouldn't shoot despite the shotgun pointing right where a person would have to be to pick up the phone. Unsurprisingly, the criminal refused. The police pulled the robot back, removed the shotgun and tried again but there was no longer even the slightest basis for trust. The entire exercise backfired.
I remember that comment, and that kind of stunt won't help people trust police robots. But if police robots become more common, like delivering notes or pizzas, criminals will quickly learn to not trust them, and to make hostages deal with the robots. And if there are no hostages, there isn't much need for the robots either.
What you describe seems less of a robot issue and more of a stupidity issue.
“The local police used an armed robot to take a phone to the hostage-taker in order to open the negotiations and rescue the hostages.”
The RC vehicle (not really a robot) with the shotgun was likely a bomb disposal tool (the shotgun is used for remote detonation of suspected bombs). It was likely the only option they had that didn’t involve putting a live officer in the same spot.
That said, not removing the shotgun first was pretty dumb.
Most likely. Cops will take any opportunity to take a day off. Shit, they have full service funerals for their fucking drug dogs when they capped.
how about robots with mops & poop bags first?
There are some things even a robot won't do.
Maybe American-made units skating off the robot welfare system.
Give a black-market foreign robot a sharps bucket and a shovel and see those streets shine.
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Frogs don't actually stay in the boiling pot, but people do.
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This scene from Robocop is what I think of:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFvqDaFpXeM
Remember the Dallas shooter a few years ago? They blew that guy up with a robot bomb so this is nothing new.
Hot take coming from the obsequious pieces of shit who spent 6 years cheerleading the federal intelligence services and security state including celebrating the shooting of an unarmed white woman in the face by a racist piece of shit black cop with a cop of history of leaving his gun in the shitter after using the toilet.
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One might assume, given some of the comments on this subject, that some folks think that robots might only be used against people they don't like, such as hostage-takers, or snipers.
In the year 2035, when semi-autonomous or remotely-controlled-by computer-robots patrol the streets by the tens or hundreds of thousands, and, with no-risk to the government or its agents, remove all "arms" from the people, remember this moment.
The alternative to “killer robots” in many cases would be “killer humans”, viz., live cops with guns, who have a very reasonable desire not to be killed or injured, and who might have to make split-second decisions about the use of force against possible threats to their lives. This invariably leads to cases where the cop shoots a suspect who was only getting out his wallet or his phone, and the jury understandably sympathizes with his plight.
By contrast, a “killer robot” eliminates the need to such hasty and often incorrect decisions. The robot operator back at Police HQ is in no danger at all, so has far less incentive to use deadly force; and if he does so inappropriately, a jury is far less likely to show leniency toward him.
"By contrast, a “killer robot” eliminates the need to such hasty and often incorrect decisions. The robot operator back at Police HQ is in no danger at all, so has far less incentive to use deadly force; and if he does so inappropriately, a jury is far less likely to show leniency toward him."
The operative word here being the words "the need to." What you say might be true. On the other hand, the cop might still get off due to "poor training." Or perhaps a little "glitch" in the system? Or the button was pushed "accidentally." Or perhaps not?
As others have already noted, the devices in question are not robots at all, but teleoperator devices with a human being constantly in charge. They are a means for a human being, who is still morally and legally accountable, to intervene in a situation without putting his own life in danger.
I think it's a great idea. Robots are controlled by active policemen who give the signal to shoot. They are like mobile drones. Police robots will save many policemen's lives. Who doesn't support that?
Not only that, these drones could be used to employ non-lethal force in situations where the suspect has a gun and it would be too risky for a fleshy meatbag officer to do the same.
Further proof various US authorities are taking lessons in terrorizing honest citizens from totalitarian states.
Well that's not fair. Reason was willing to defend the taking up of arms against the government and fellow citizens when Burn Loot Murder and Antifa were having their heydays.
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