President Biden Wants to Ban 'Semiautomatic Weapons'? Dream On.
It’s a bold and probably unconstitutional goal that’s bound to alienate millions of Americans.

There's always a question as to whether President Joe Biden really means what he says or if he even understands the words coming from his mouth. That conceded, it's wise to take seriously the threats of powerful people who have the means to at least attempt to impose their will on others.
And that brings us to the president's recent vow to ban semiautomatic firearms, a vast category covering some of the country's most popular guns. It's a bold goal, not only in its scope, but also because it's probably unconstitutional and bound to alienate millions of Americans.
"The idea we still allow semiautomatic weapons to be purchased is sick. It's just sick," President Biden insisted on November 24 after a photo-op with firefighters in Nantucket, Mass. "It has no, no social redeeming value. Zero. None. Not a single, solitary rationale for it except profit for the gun manufacturers."
Maybe Biden just meant military-looking semiautomatic rifles since, when asked how he planned to accomplish his agenda during the lame-duck session of Congress after his party lost the House, he answered: "I'm going to try to get rid of assault weapons." But "assault weapon" is an arbitrary term defined by mostly cosmetic characteristics. Bans on such guns are easily evaded, and produce little or no reduction in the crimes that supposedly motivate restrictions. Besides, the president mentioned "assault weapons" only as a step to addressing the availability of "semiautomatic weapons."
Lots of Americans disagree with Biden's broad claim that semiautomatic firearms, which fire one shot with each squeeze of the trigger and chamber a new round without need for the user take extra action, have "no social redeeming value." They purchase semiautomatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns for self-defense, hunting, and target-shooting. And they purchase them in vast numbers.
"Semi-automatics account for about 20 percent of the 300 million privately-owned firearms in the United States and the percentage is quickly rising, because semi-automatics now account for about 50 percent of all new firearms bought annually," the National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action estimated in 2013.
The motivation for gun-ownership has also shifted in recent decades, reinforcing demand for the firearms the president disdains.
"Guns began as tools of necessity in the colonies and on the frontier, but evolved into equipment for sport hunting and shooting, as well as desired commodities for collecting," Wake Forest University sociologist David Yamane wrote in a 2017 paper. "Although recreation remains an important segment, the central emphasis of U.S. gun culture has gradually shifted to armed self-defense over the course of the past half-century."
We've seen that shifting emphasis in eased concealed-carry laws around the country, including reciprocal recognition by states of each other's carry permits, and the adoption of permit-less carry so that people can exercise their rights without asking permission. Semiautomatic pistols of various calibers and capacities are much preferred over revolvers, the main alternative handgun type, for self-defense with the market responding to consumer tastes.
According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (which doesn't distinguish between different types of rifles and shotguns in its reports, but does break out semiautomatic pistols from revolvers), of the 3.6 million handguns manufactured in the United States in 2019 (the most recent year for which data is available), about 84 percent were semiautomatic. Those pistols certainly increase the share of civilian-owned firearms represented by semiautomatics. And banning those pistols would face significant constitutional challenges.
"The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home," the U.S. Supreme Court held in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008). "The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of 'arms' that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster."
Could Americans use revolvers instead of semiautomatics for self-defense? Sure. But they "overwhelmingly choose" pistols when given the option.
The Supreme Court has yet to weigh-in on semiautomatic rifles, scary-looking "assault weapon" of the AR-15 variety (termed "modern sporting rifles" by the industry) or otherwise. But "approximately half of all rifles produced in 2017 were modern sporting rifles," the National Shooting Sports Foundation noted in 2019. It's impossible to argue that Americans don't "overwhelmingly choose" such weapons, too.
"Good for both home and battle, the AR-15 is the kind of versatile gun that lies at the intersection of the kinds of firearms protected under District of Columbia v. Heller," U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez wrote last year in an early decision for a still-pending challenge to California's gun restrictions. The final decision will need to reflect this year's U.S. Supreme Court guidance in Bruen that "when the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct, and to justify a firearm regulation the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with the Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."
So, President Biden's bold goal of making "semiautomatic weapons" unavailable is probably well beyond his grasp without serious changes to the Constitution. Even if he achieved those, how would he convince the millions of people who "overwhelmingly choose" the tools he doesn't like to get on board?
Millions of semiautomatic weapons are already in private hands. Gun owners have demonstrated their willingness to ignore restrictions, as seen in the 5 percent compliance rate for New York's "assault weapon" registration law and the overwhelming defiance that met California's and New Jersey's bans on such guns. "More than a year after New Jersey imposed the toughest assault-weapons law in the country, the law is proving difficult if not impossible to enforce," The New York Times reported in 1991.
More recently, Americans have taken to making their own firearms to hobble restrictive laws.
Even generously assuming he knows what he's talking about, the most President Biden can accomplish by pushing for a ban on semiautomatic weapons is to increase confrontations between enforcers and the public. That's if he isn't just thwarted in his efforts by constitutional protections for individual rights. The genie isn't going back into the bottle.
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The second amendment was established as an inalienable right to prevent the state from making the people defenceless.
People like Biden who wouldn’t defend themselves or others even if they could think they can make everyone else as helpless as they are with gun bans.
But that doesn’t work because criminals will always obtain weapons to coerce weaker people. Whatever they may be.
Guns are the technology that makes us equal. A 90 lb weakling with a .357 can adequately defend their inalienable right to life against anyone.
They are not banning guns because of self defense, crime, terrorism or any other stated reason.
It is about control of the people.
They are planning to do things that would make an armed populace shoot back in response.
So first the guns have to go.
Then they can put trannies in your daughter’s locker room and force you to eat bugs.
Or whatever worse nonsense our betters have planned for us
That may be true. It would be great if you could prove it.
As it is, much of the population is brainwashed with propaganda.
Using the media to stoke fear of guns, misrepresenting the vast majority of criminals killing each other and embellishing the few lone wolf gunmen while ignoring the mishandling of warning signs by friends, family and the authorities.
Then feeding the frightened populace misinformation like banning guns for law abiding responsible people will prevent most gun crimes.
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Gun owners need to refute the misinformation to defeat the propaganda and prevent the violation of our rights.
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For such a person, a Ruger 57 is a much better choice. Very light kickback, 20 round magazine (or 25 round extended), rifle bullet. Total energy similar to a 9mm, but much easier to handle. The best real-life example of "use with deadly intent" was the Army Major who went All-on Snackbar on an Army base. Every center of mass hit was a mort; every extremity hit was disabling.
Contrast that with a .22 long rifle round. Fellow walked into Gary hospital once with 6 .22 bullets lodged in his skull. He was fine.
Good grief. While there are certainly better options than the 357 for a small person - one need not drop to such an anemic round as a 22lr.
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There's always a question as to whether President Joe Biden really means what he says or if he even understands the words coming from his mouth.
A disclaimer that should precede any article about anything Biden says. Especially if he appends a "Not a joke", a "No, I'm serious", or a "God's honest truth" to his statement.
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It’s a bold and probably unconstitutional goal ....
like that will dissuade Biden's handlers? Every thing Ron Klain et al have executed has been authoritarian and inimical to the US Constitution just like Barry. It is breathtaking and inspiring how Federal Courts have put the Biden Che Guevara wannabes in check
...thankfully
Thus Far, the Constitution Has Held Up Against President Biden’s Executive Despotism
Hmmm, repeatedly tries to violate the constitution?
Sounds like impeachable offenses to me.
Except, of course, that in order to do so with new legislation he would need Congress to go along with it--likely the same Congress which would prepare articles of impeachment and/or hold his impeachment trial...
Except of course, they were talking about his constitution violating executive orders. You know, those things that don’t require Congress, just a pen and a phone.
Biden can't executive-order a ban on assault weapons, so you're right, but off-topic.
He could try, by changing the regulations that deal with the background check. In fact I think he's already doing it based upon what happened to my son, that I've already described.
That didn't stop him trying to dismiss student loan debt - to dems - the constitution is a temporary hurdle to their goals, not a wall that should prevent anyone "going there"...
So many of these people need treason tribunals followed by firing squads.
You know, the Constitution requires due process and fair trials before imposing appropriate punishment?
Another reason to "terminate" the Constitution, I guess!
Of course, Biden has often used the phrase "weapons of war" or similar to describe the guns he'd like to ban and, given the weapons George Washington's army used when fighting the British, this would obviously include flintlock muzzle-loaders as well.
I'm still waiting on the assault shovel ban as they were used in trench warfare.
Here is a list of weaspons that the Secret Service uses.
https://reloadyourgear.com/secret-service-weapons/
If this were actually the criterion, then we could still buy Thompson sub machine guns mail order. Miller came out the way it did, because there was no evidence before the court that sawed off shotguns were weapons of war (they were…).
The dumbest tactical move the gun controllers ever made was the "assault weapons" ban.
Before then, they'd made quite good progress in creeping bans, always picking a specific ban that polled well while having their politicians repeat the old lie about protecting "legitimate hunters and sportsmen" to soothe the feathers of most legal gun owners. It was an effective bit of salami-slicing
But with the 1994 assault weapons ban, they banned weapons owned by "legitimate hunters and sportsmen", on the basis of very obviously arbitrary characteristics. Every coal miner who'd bought a cheap SKS and its ammo as a deer rifle when the Chinese were dumping them on the market had it brought directly home that the gun controllers really were after his guns, not just the weapons used by muggers and gangbangers.
The result, of course, has been the last thirty years of losses for the gun controllers. Now, with Biden's remarks, they're admitting the reality that they revealed three decades ago.
Right, when the “fuds” see their skin in the game, it’s pretty much over. Of course gun controllers being morally superior, just have to reach for the highest rung, and then assume they can ban down, not up. Either way, for them, all guns are bad and should be removed from the hands of anyone but their enforcers. Because it is even more important to be able to rely on the authority of government to make others behave as they believe they should.
"If there’s a defining feature of modern progressives’ self-image, it’s the idea that—by dint of their supposedly superior education, their association with like-minded members of global elites and their immersion in the various rites of the contemporary secular religion—they are more knowledgeable and virtuous than you, the inferior classes.
"Democratic leaders, and the academic, corporate and media people who sustain them, nurture their luxury beliefs, comfortable in the conviction of their own moral supremacy.
[Gerard Baker, WSJ]
Good quote, thanks.
Left/Dem pols also get to speak and act with the certainty that both the bulk of the MSM and (until recently) the players in tech/social media who held monopoly-level control over online access to information would willingly, and in many cases aggressively carry their water.
In recent years, that extended into the placement of political activists in key positions among the "fact checking" sites like snopes and politifact which in turn provided cover for social media outlets to put a thumb on the scales with the supposed "neutral referees" splitting assessments as "needs context" when the establishment gets off the rails and "false" for any attempt to split from the approved party line, even when the statement being "fact checked" was clearly subjective in nature to begin with.
All facts are subjective to some people.
Jeff, do you believe this quote is real? You've denied every biden quote on guns prior. Same message as the earlier ones i gave you. How will you habdwaive this one away?
Perhaps some sort of “thought experiment “.
What if a bear popped out of a trunk holding an AR-15? Does it have the right to bear it?
This is clearly one of those performative positions to use as a cultural wedge issue. I don't think the democrats have any actual plans to make a piece of policy out of something as stupid and nonsensical as banning "semi automatic weapons", but their base doesn't know any better and doesn't really care. It's just one of those sad things about politics.
The problem is they actually do create bills like this as legislation.
https://www.secondamendmentdaily.com/2020/01/georgia-democrat-senator-introduces-bill-to-ban-all-semi-automatic-firearms/
Oregon is in the process of trying to ban 10 round magazines. Sending a surge of gun buyers. Even with all the 2a rulings, Democrats do keep trying to take away our rights.
It is like Democrats want to terminate the Constitution.
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Then it will be necessary to terminate the democrats. Which it really is already.
Trying to criminalize legal gun owners is a fucking core policy of the Democrats.
It is not so much about guns, as it is about control. If the government enforcers are the only ones with any degree of firepower, it will be that much easier to impose them on the "rubes"
[being anyone who is not on board with the other agendas].
That's just a component of the progressive quest for a life without consequences or risk.
This article doesn't exist. The mean girls always say reason never criticizes the left at all. I still won't criticize Biden over this though, because this article doesn't exist.
it's probably unconstitutional
J.D. Tuccille can't muster up the courage or objectivity to say that either it will definitively ban semi-automatic weapons, in which case it will be unConstitutional or will be so vaguely worded as to encourage, but not outright state that it bans semi-automatic weapons, in which case it will be unConstitutional.
Yup, both sides.
The article notes, even if you do not, that the Supreme Court has not opined on the matter of semi-automatic rifles in relation to the 2nd Amendment, so "probably" is probably the most an impartial journalist could say at this point:
"The Supreme Court has yet to weigh-in on semiautomatic rifles, scary-looking "assault weapon" of the AR-15 variety (termed "modern sporting rifles" by the industry) or otherwise."
Personally, I have no doubt that if the 2nd Amendment has any purpose, it is that Congress may not infringe upon the rights of citizens to own and possess what are the quintessential modern-day "militia" weapons.
What do you think the definition of common use as already explained by the USSC means? 98% of guns sold are semi automatic.
In Bruen, Justice Thomas noted that in Heller the court found, based on a historical analysis, that the Second Amendment protects the possession and use of weapons that are “in common use at the time.”[33] Justice Thomas points out, “Nor does any party dispute that handguns are weapons ‘in common use’ today for self-defense.”[34]
That is helpful, but the fact remains that the Supreme Court has not specifically ruled that any particular kind of rifle is covered by their rulings relating to the 2nd Amendment.
“Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms".
That is less helpful, don't you agree?
An objective journalist might have written, "Probably will be ruled unconstitutional", in recognition of the fact that you can't count on the Supreme court to uphold the Constitution all of the time, even in the most clear cut cases they'll occasionally have a collective brain fart.
But what Biden is threatening isn't an edge case, the only way the Court upholds it is if they've decided to trash Heller and Bruen and just let the government do whatever the hell they want.
In which case it would still be unconstitutional, it would just be a case of the Court not CARING. Which, admittedly, sometimes happens.
An objective journalist might have written, “Probably will be ruled unconstitutional”, in recognition of the fact that you can’t count on the Supreme court to uphold the Constitution all of the time, even in the most clear cut cases they’ll occasionally have a collective brain fart.
Fair. No accounting for brain farts, but such a decision would pretty unarguably reach back much further into case law. It would pretty directly overturn Presser v. Illinois.
That is less helpful, don’t you agree?
Only if you read "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt" as "our opinion should cast doubt" and "longstanding prohibitions" as "new legislation and (attempted) enacting against a longstanding lack of prohibitions", i.e. if you interpret both the letter and the spirit entirely backwards, across several cases.
Funny how some things are unquestionable superprecedent and others are mere suggestion, across a number of SCOTUS cases over the course of more than a century that, somehow, the executive can just legislate over.
More fundamentally, Biden does not determine what is and is not Constitutional, not even SCOTUS does. We The People do.
But why include it at all? It was not relevant to the decision, so there was no need to include it. This ambiguity, in turn, has been used by numerous others to suggest that there are untold exceptions to the 2nd Amendment's protections.
Lo and behold, every opportunity to undermine Heller and Bruen has been and continues to be taken in order to "find" those tantalising exceptions Scalia mentioned.
That's why I would say it was less helpful.
But why include it at all? It was not relevant to the decision
Because the ruling wasn't about a federal right to carry such a weapon, which went without question (what some might call a superprecedent). The statement clarifies that he doesn't think they are, or should be construed as, overriding state law (New York specifically or any state generally) that prevents, specifically e.g., felons and the mentally ill from possessing firearms on public and private property.
You really are way behind the curve in understanding all this. You either haven't read the whole opinion, read but didn't understand it, or you did read it and are being deliberately stupid.
You haven't answered the question.
You haven’t answered the question.
Yes I did. I just didn't give whatever answer you're looking for.
This is some sock of a TDS-addled shit, too embarrassed to keep using the former handle.
He was here last night whining about how Trump is “going to suspend the constitution!!!!!!”, so keep in mind you’ve got some lefty ignoramus posting under this name.
Not strident enough to be Joe Friday [a bot--as we all knew he was-- who vanished right after the midterms], feckless enough to be Tony, or simpering enough to be M4E. I've muted pretty much all of them any way, along with the former Shopright employees.
The Supreme Court doesn’t have to adjudicate every weapon ever made. Youre a statist if that’s your assertion.
No, they don't, and that's not my assertion, but in the absence of their having done so, hostile forces will continue to attack the 2nd Amendment.
They artack it regardless of the decision. It doesn't mean you abrogate current rights put of fear of attacks.
As I stated above, I have no doubt that if the 2nd Amendment has any purpose, it is that Congress may not infringe upon the rights of citizens to own and possess what are the quintessential modern-day “militia” weapons. I am not conceding anything.
Of course, gun grabbers gotta grab guns, but they will try to grab fewer if the Court clearly articulates the logical position of "modern sporting rifles" within the context of the 2nd Amendment. I hope the Court does that in due course.
"As I stated above, I have no doubt that if the 2nd Amendment has any purpose, it is that Congress may not infringe upon the rights of citizens to own and possess what are the quintessential modern-day “militia” weapons..."
Repeat, you're dealing with a TDS-addled lefty ignoramus here.
A lot of hostile forces within the US should be put down.
Yeah, they only haven’t opined on the matter in the most dishonest and disingenuous interpretation of the facts. Heller and McDonald were both disputes over semi-automatic handguns and SCOTUS ruled in their favor. Even if you’re retardedly using Miller as the standard for making yourself and others retarded, Glock, Sig, Beretta, and Walther handguns are conspicuously exempt. As are numerous AR variants as parts of ordinary military equipment.
The only way the retardation makes sense is if you think “Well, SCOTUS hasn’t ruled on guns, knives, bombs, bricks, etc., etc., etc. that are colored neon green either.” ‘Semi-automatic’ is both common and a part of ordinary military equipment and has been for over a century.
You are trying a bit too hard to find differences with me on this issue--you will fail.
Are we seriously arguing over whether Tuccille was right to use the word "probably" in a sentence speculating about what Joe Biden's fantasy assault weapons ban would look like? He doesn't even know if he means to cover all semi-automatics or not.
Yes. As Brett Bellmore points out JD could make more clear his and/or the Constitutional position and do his fucking job well aside of the 2A in duly informing the public that neither Biden nor SCOTUS decides what is Constitutional, We The People do.
Endless pages of spilled ink (or electrons) about chilling free speech, but the best that can be printed is that the law is probably unConstitutional? No, the law would be unConstitutional, even if SCOTUS refused to strike it down, every bit as much as if they mandated a rate-of-fire limitations on Twitter (despite your BUT TEHY HAVEN"T ROOLED ON MUH FASEBOOK! MUH PARLER! MUH TROOF SOWSHUL!) posts... one way or the other.
...and we're back to the heady days of pre-Heller/McDonald gun control argumentation. In case you've forgotten, in those days we convinced no one but ourselves--until the Court finally ruled clearly on the matter.
Nope. I haven't forgotten that semi-automatic weapons have always been federally legal, both pre- and post-Heller/McDonald. Further, I haven't forgotten that Biden doesn't determine what's Constitutional.
There was a 10-year-old statement from the NRA in the article above that claimed that 20% of all firearms owned and 50% of all firearms sold 'today' were semi-auto.
I find those numbers strangely low, in my experience.
US v Miller 1939 supports your last paragraph.
You're taking me back to the good old days when I had the pleasure of reading dusty West volumes chronicling the Supreme Court's (few) gun control decisions...
Miller held simply that "no evidence had been presented to prove that a sawed-off shotgun was a useful military weapon. Of course that was literally correct, since Miller's side never showed up in court." http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0801/0801usvmiller.htm
As noted in the above blog entry (which interestingly forsaw in 2001 the Court's subsequent re-visitation of its 2nd Amendment jurisprudence in 2008), lower courts have been disingenuously exploiting the curious holding in Miller since, well, 1939.
In Miller, the Court didn't determine that any particular kind of firearm was protected by the 2nd Amendment--and they didn't really even determine that a short-barrelled shotgun wasn't, instead holding that they had been presented with no evidence that it was.
Which was, of course, highly disingenuous, in order to confirm the Constitutionality of the 1934 NFA. Some court, including theirs, could have just taken judicial notice of the fact that arguably the most feared handheld weapon by the Germans in the trenches of WW I, was the sawed off shotgun.
But it did open up the anomaly that the NFA was confirmed because there was no evidence before the Supreme Court that sawed off shotguns (or Thompson sub machine guns, or BARs) were military weapons, used for war, and the call now is to ban “assault weapons” based on the claim that they are “weapons of war”. But, of course, Heller made clear that the Militia Clause was not a limitation on the 2nd Amdt, but rather was merely one justification for it.
Let us hope that sense of clarity persists. I hesitate to give Trump credit for rubber-stamping the Federalist Society's judiciary picks (because any sane Republican would have done the same), but the current Court does--for the first time in over 30 years--give me hope that the Constitution--as written, rather than imagined--will be respected on this issue as well as others.
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You neglected to mention that evidence was not before the court because only the feral government presented briefs in the case.
Did you read my link?
I understand what you’re trying to say, but the Supreme Court doesn’t get to decide this, at least in the sense that the constitution is crystal clear.
Whether or not they decide to accept this reality is a different matter, but them saying something is constitutional or not *cough*Dred Scot*cough*, doesn’t make it so.
In practical terms, the Supreme Court does get to decide this.
Unless you have discovered a good way of protecting rights which have not been endorsed by the Supreme Court?
I'm not disagreeing with the idea that your human rights exist apart from their expression in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, but in practice, that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee...
To leftitiarians government action is fine until until a court rules on it. They always start from the presumption bad democratic actions are from good intentions.
My far left aunt is always telling me it’s ok when they break the law because they have important reasons and are doing good things. Like when Obama declared war on the coal industry unconstitutionally. Or Biden’s various unconstitutional COVID related orders.
Or Trump's recent statement that "massive election fraud" justified "terminating" inconvenient parts of the Constitution...
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Exactly. "It’s a bold and probably unconstitutional goal " Can be more accurately said this way: "It’s an old and absolutely unconstitutional goal "
Yup. Between Biden’s and SCOTUS’s brain farts there’s a chance that they would be banned. That doesn’t make such a ban Constitutional any more than would make a ban on Tweeting too fast Constitutional.
You’re dumb enough to write for this rag, sarcasmic.
Thus far, I haven’t heard White House aids walking back “semi-automatic” to “assault weapons” - if Biden slipped, perhaps it’s a bone to the Gun Control Lobby that they have made no comment? Or he tipped his hand on Executive Orders in the works? Or just nudging States to go there (like Illinois)?
I thought the term "assault weapon" was attributed to Hitler's description of the STG44 [Sturmgewehr] but more recently it seems to be an intentional obfuscation by an activist named Josh Sugarmann:
"The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons -- anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun -- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons," Sugarmann wrote.
Those were “assault rifles” - intermediate caliber select fire weapons.
Yes, the made-for-TV "assault weapon" definition can mean exactly what its proponents choose it to mean.
To be fair, most elites have only seen guns in movies or on TV. And TV weapons are always full auto with at least 100 round magazines.
Understood; the confusion of course is intentional, and admittedly so. Wish I had a buck for every time I've seen someone make a sweeping motion with their "air gun" when speaking of things that they think should be banned, which for them is any kind of "black" rifle. As intended, they do not know the difference, and vote accordingly.
I think a soft ban is already happening. My 18 yo son went in to buy a rifle just before Thanksgiving, after the new law went into affect. He passed a background check on another rifle a week before the ban, has a classified clearance from the Army (pretty strict background check there, including juvenile records, which he also had to disclose when he joined). The law says 18 yo have to wait a minimum of 3 days and up to 10 days. It took the ATF a complete 10 days to approve his background check (actually they never did, so he had to wait the entire ten days plus one to pick up his rifle). Considering the amount of background checks he went through for the military, and the fact that the ATF has access to DoD records, there should have been no reason for the background check to have taken more than three days that the law says is the minimum. I suspect the ATF, under directions, is purposely slow walking the approval process.
It is due to his clearance. Only those with classified clearances can review his background file, and it is almost never cleared prior to the max wait time. Speaking from experience.
Unfortunately, government doesn't suddenly become competent when it is tasked with complying with our rights...
Why does FJB want to terminate the Constitution?
Only the parts that promote the rights of citizens.
That is odd, considering how successful they've been at simply ignoring it.
Apparently the talking heads on Sunday discussed in unison Trump advocating tearing the US Constitution. DOJ, DNC, FBI, CIA, MSM, BLM, Ivy League law school deans, et al would have gotten a word in if not for their tearing up the same
Trump needs to shut the fuck up and disappear. After his dinner with Ye and then his statement about the Constitution, even if Biden is worse, Trump is playing right into their hands. I can't defend his statement or his choice of dinner companions (Ye after his statements about Jews was bad enough). This isn't a defense of Biden, who actually is ignoring the Constitution but a statement that Trump is fucking up also.
Look, we cannot believe anything he says. Those are "just words".
He is testing your loyalty. Do you measure up?
Yep TDS addled. You do not understand, therefore you are frightened.
...and off you go.
Bon voyage!
Not terminate it, but kill it and wear it as a skin suit.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
This guy is why we have a 2nd Amendment.
Ahh. A leftist using the same quote vox and dailybeast were pushing yesterday. Weird how one side publishes the entire quote while the other snips it.
The entire quote doesn't make it sound any better.
JesseBahnFuhrer is inherently incapable of EVER finding fault with Der TrumpfenFuhrer's words or deeds!
An actual leftist would be very amused you think I'm one of them. On the other hand, they would almost certainly fail to appreciate the connection I am highlighting between the Constitution and its enemies. My hope here is for people like you.
Moving on, as you know, the quoted language was originally from a post on Truth Social on 3 December 2022. (And not yet walked back, as far as I can tell.) But I'm not on Troof So-call, so maybe it was portrayed inaccurately by mean Tweets and the MSM? Please do confirm its accuracy.
In any case, the primary purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to protect the fundamental human rights of citizens to oppose tyranny. Not only from outside the country, but from within it.
Obviously, someone who is willing to "terminate" the "rules, regulations, and articles" found in the Constitution to enforce his personal delusions regarding the 2020 election is someone who presents a certain danger to the Constitution, which the 2nd Amendment is designed to counteract.
Would you take up arms to defend the Constitution from such an assault?
Oh geez.
Thank you for your wisdom.
Yep, a bunch of libertarians are going to be happy with Trump trampling the Constitution because they're actually MAGAs disguising themselves as people who just want to be left alone by the government.
The reflexiveness to defend Trump that you often see around here is primarily, if not entirely, driven by one goal--pushing back against the thoughtless, propaganda-driven TDS that infects about 80% of the media.
Most "Trump supporters" do not like the man and think he's a whiny, immature, bloviating man child. They understand he says a lot of stupid things, much of which can be ignored. They rate his presidency on the things that he actually did, rather than what he said, and find he was a much better president than any in recent memory.
There's also a lot of mini-anarchist enjoyment watching someone come into a carefully crafted elitist system and break a lot of dishes.
What he said or says on his dumb website is largely immaterial because he's bloviating. If it disqualifies him from winning the R nomination, that's great! If it doesn't, we're probably looking at another D presidency, but I would still rather have Trump as president than Biden. Because regardless of what Trump says, he's never been as anti-constitution or anti-freedom as SC-ruling flaunting, vaccine-mandating, other-vilifying as our current president.
This looks like a prime opportunity for me to explain a few things I’ve learned on this planet, while becoming a geezer. A few things, that is, about human nature, and excessive self-righteousness, tribalism, the “rush to judge” others, and the urge to punish.
“Team R” politician: “The debt is too large, and government is too powerful. If you elect ME, I will FIX that budget-balance problem SOON! But, first things first! THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ARE GETTING ABORTIONS!!! We must make the liberals CRY for their sins! AFTER we fix that RIGHT AWAY, we’ll get you your budget balanced and low taxes!”
“Team L” politician: “The debt is too large, and I’ll get that fixed soon, I promise you, if you elect ME! First, the more important stuff, though: THOSE PEOPLE OVER THERE ARE OWNING GUNS!!! We must PROTECT the American People from guns and gun-nuts!!! AFTER we fix that RIGHT AWAY, we’ll get our budgets balanced!”
And then we gripe and gripe as Government Almighty grows and grows, and our freedoms shrink and shrink. And somehow, the budget never DOES get balanced!
Now LISTEN UP for the summary: Parasites and politicians (but I repeat myself) PUSSY GRAB US ALL by grabbing us by… Guess what… by our excessive self-righteousness, tribalism, the “rush to judge” others, and the urge to PUNISH-PUNISH-PUNISH those “wrong” others! Let’s all STOP being such fools, and STOP allowing the politicians OF BOTH SIDES from constantly pussy-grabbing us all, right in our urge to… Pussy-grab the “enemies”, which is actually ALL OF US (and our freedoms and our independence, our ability to do what we want, without getting micro-managed by parasites)!!!
Thank you for that non-sequitur. I feel honored.
In case my words were not clear, my argument is that 1. libertarians are drawn to being contrarian, and 2. most Trump supporters DO NOT LISTEN TO HIS WORDS.
This leads to libertarians defending Trump more than would otherwise be expected, because he's definitely got the establishment gunning for him (spiking our contrarian tendencies) and he says lots of incredibly stupid things but wasn't a bad president by many measures except the STUPID THINGS HE SAYS.
Add in the fact that many times, he says not-stupid things that get skewed horribly by the establishment, and you've got strange bedfellows.
Please note, I'm not defending his bad policies. Anti-trade, the covid spending and policies that he did give in to, and other things I'm probably forgetting.
Yeah, I guess I agree with most of what you just wrote, actually... Trump tore down some utterly STUPID regs (micro-managing waters on farms and ranches for example), and Biden, that asshole, is putting the regs back in place, by and large! Toilets, light bulbs, you name it...
Nope, sorry, to SQRLSY’s addled brain, you didn’t shit all over Trump so that makes you (and anyone who thinks like you) a Trumpanzee who supports his Trumptatorship.
Hey DesigNate with the hate-addled brain, did you even READ my post IMMEDIATELY ABOVE yours, and strain your pea-brain even a TINY bit, to see if I REALLY think that ALL of those who voted Trump (as a choice of lesser evils in their minds) is-are a Trumpanzee who supports his Trumptatorship?
Like SOOOO much in human matters, your MOTIVES matter... Did you vote for Trump as the lesser of 2 evils, or did you vote for Trump because you're hoping Trump will appoint you 2nd in command, and give you YUUUUGE bonus helpings of "sloppy seconds" from Stormy Daniels, children in cages at the border, and from starving workers in foreign lands who can't find work, because willing buyers (like me) are fenced out from their products, by stupid trade wars?
I would prefer it if SQRLSY were decomposing.
Shorter and sweeter: The pussy-grabbers are actually pussy-grabber-grabbers, grabbing us all in our pussy-grabbers. Let us all (as best as we can) AMPUTATE our OWN nearly-useless-anyways pussy-grabbers, and the pussy-grabber-grabbers will NOT be able to abuse us all NEARLY ass much ass these assholes are doing right now!
I see. You're an apologist with "good reasons".
The only reason Trump never does more than a tiny fraction of the things he says he will do is because he is a coward. Thank fuck for that.
Who's apologizing? Where did I apologize for his stupid words?
Can you even restate in your own words why someone might support Trump even as he says that the 2020 election was invalid?
"The only reason Trump never does more than a tiny fraction of the things he says he will do is because he is a coward. Thank fuck for that."
No, the only reason he never does more than a tiny fraction of the things he says he will do is because he talks a lot. You continually demonstrate that you do not understand Trump or his supporters. You can choose to try to, or you can choose to continue to operate under the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you is deficient.
Why did people support Hillary after she said 2016 was stolen by the Russians?
He may be a leftist, but this ended any slim chance Trump had to return.
Sorry, you can't read his entire statement and not conclude Trump's statement was terrible and indefensible. It's time to move past Trump if you want to win in 2024.
I have and have stated in other threads what he meant. That the elections have been fraudulent and illegal which has allowed unconstitutional actions to occur, not that he can do so. His statement today even clarifies this point. It is discussed in the morning roundup thread.
I dont read everything in the worst possible take.
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution”, he wrote.
Even generously replacing "allows for" with "has resulted in" doesn't work, because obviously not "all rules, regulations, and articles" were "terminated". There is simply no logical alternative reading for his own words.
So, you will have to fall back on "he talks a lot", and not believing anything he says, because some people are just not responsible for what they say.
His subsequent statement, by the way, was:
“The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS,” Trump wrote Monday afternoon, saying he meant that “steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG.”
In a separate, all-capitalized post, Trump wrote that “if an election is irrefutably fraudulent, it should go to the rightful winner or, at a minimum, be redone. Where open and blatant fraud is involved, there should be no time limit for change!”
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3762407-trump-insists-he-doesnt-want-to-terminate-constitution/
But, of course, we're not supposed to actually believe anything he writes or says anyway, so what's to discuss?
We could discuss how he did as a president, and how he'd probably compare to a Biden/Harris/Newsome presidency.
We could discuss whether his recent diatribe indicates he's truly gone off the rails and doesn't deserve to be anywhere near power or whether it's just same old Trump.
You obviously believe the former, and that anyone who believes the latter is a cultist. You're free to believe this, of course, but you're just blinding yourself to understanding (and therefore EVER convincing) a pretty big chunk of the people who do not want Biden to be president to vote for someone other than Trump.
But go on, convinced of your own moral patriotic superiority.
What's funny is that I'm nowhere near a Trump supporter. I really do hope, sincerely, that his campaign flounders and we get someone else to run on the R ticket. But I don't think your mind can comprehend of such a thing.
As someone who has voted against Democrats my entire life I am mostly upset that he has so thoroughly fouled the Republican well--possibly for some time after he melts away into a puddle of fake tan.
And for what? Six votes on the Supreme Court we probably could have had with any Republican president. His enduring legacy... I hope his loyal appointees continue to show him--as they continue to rebuff his ridiculous legal shenanigans--that integrity does still matter.
How many lefties signed up for the "there was no way he was REALLY talking about banning common handguns" argument last time he was definitely talking about banning 9mm's?
So is this another time we are just supposed to assume the far left agenda being pushed by Biden isnt what our lying eyes are showing us?
9mm can blow your lungs out or your head right off the body. Science.
in fairness, the same people think a loose cloth mask with the persons nose half out prevents the spread of infectious micro-droplets.
Also that they can control the weather.
#partyofscience
i shudder to think at what might happen if/when the anti-gun know-nothings learn that *10 mm* exists
Nice, get the brother wishes at https://hbvibes.com/birthday-wishes-for-brother visit
The Big Guy sure thinks he can get a lot done with that pen and phone of his.
He is still convinced his student loan give-away passed through congress, so...
He’s also convinced his Etch a Sketch is an iPad.
There are few fundamental, basic differences between the new Big Guy and the now-deposed, last Big Guy. Meet the new boss, same ass the old boss!
Other than the fact that they belong to different tribes, ONE thing comes to mind. Ass we can new see, the new one still sometimes PRETENDS to respect the USA Constitution, but the old one has dropped even that pretense!
Twiddle-Twaddle Dee: "I respect the USA Constitution, EXCEPT when it gets in my way ass I try to declare all votes NOT for MEEEE, to be fraudulent."
Twiddle-Twaddle Dumb: "I respect the USA Constitution, EXCEPT when it gets in my way ass I try to declare your rights to own weapons to be fraudulent."
"I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
Although those voters think they're in his tribe, Trump is really in a tribe of one.
"Trump is really in a tribe of one."
Oh my Good Government Almighty, I sure hope that you're correct!
Another good example of how people will never understand how someone can support Trump if they think most Trump supporters actually care about what he says.
with 70+million members
Indeed.
Yet he’s a million times better than Biden. What does that say about the democrats?
It's pretty sad, but there are better choices in the Republican party, so not sure why so many conservatives still back Trump. De Santis is a far better choice, who actually gets shit done. Almost everything Trump did was immediately undone when he left office, that's not a successful presidency in my book. His judicial picks were good but not better than someone like De Santis would appoint.
Trump is becoming a disaster. His dinner with Ye and now this statement should eliminate his chance and allow someone else to run. I'll plug De Santis again. The old defense of Trump that he says stupid stuff but doesn't mean it is wearing extremely thin.
I don’t really blame him too much for having a meal with Kanye; They were apparently friends, and friends can have severe disagreements and still be friends.
But his staff apparently suck at vetting guests; The mere fact that Kanye showed up with a couple other people in tow should have rang alarm bells, and identifying them should have resulted in the dinner being canceled.
This is unacceptable in somebody running for President. You have to be prepared for people to try to blindside you this way. And it’s absurd that he wouldn’t be prepared to fend off these sorts of attacks by now.
Trump did not learn nearly as much about the dirty business of politics and government as he should have. He came into it a beginner, which was forgivable, but he left a beginner, too, which was not. Perhaps that’s his age showing.
And that brings us to the president's recent vow to ban semiautomatic firearms, a vast category covering some of the country's most popular guns.
That's kind of an odd way of saying "65% of all privately-owned firearms." Unless you're like me and you have your grandfather's old rifle sitting around (not functional-I've been putting off trying to get it working again) the last 10 guns you've seen have been semi-automatic.
Lots of people still buy single-shot or old-fashioned double-barrel shotguns. Lots of people still buy revolvers. Neither of those are semi-automatic.
Lots of people still buy revolvers. Neither of those are semi-automatic.
Assuming a semi-automatic with a bump stock doesn't constitute an automatic weapon...
A double action revolver used to be classified as semi-automatic, while semi-automatic pistols were actually labeled automatics.
I have around 20 guns; of those 2 are bolt actions, 2 are lever action, and 3 are revolvers. So yeah, 70% here.
Better than a dozen here (fully constructed). I think that I have two bolt action hunting rifles. No revolvers. I do have my eyes on a nice double barrel shotgun… Sorry, forgot that I had a pump shotgun, which puts me to maybe 25% - and 75% semiautomatic. It was my first gun, bought almost 40 years ago. It has pride of place in my glass gun cabinet in the living room, but I prefer shooting semiautomatics (don’t worry - when we are out of town, the guns in the gun case are moved to the gun safe).
Good; mine stay in my safe until I use them. So far none have broken out of their own accord and gone on a shooting spree. Not one, they are such a peaceful lot!
Most of my guns are either wheel guns or bolt action. Sadly, small hands, I can shoot a .454 Ruger Super Redhawk comfortably, (I don't know why people complain about the recoil.) but just can't get my mitts around the grip of a semi-auto pistol larger than 9mm single stack. Which sucks because I favor rounds with more oomph for anything but plinking.
Have you tried the Springfield Hellcat? Really compact grips for the capacity [11, 13 extended]. Or may a Glock 43X [single stack, 10 rounds]?
I mean like really small hands. We're talking mild birth defect here, not normal variation. Trust me, 9mm single stack is about my limit.
Fuck Darth Brandon. I’m not giving up shit. If they do this, it’s going to be time for them to go.
They’re not taking the guns.
Does owning a gun of nondescript self-loading function stored in someone else's safe constitute "having" or is that more of a "bottom of a lake" situation? Asking for a friend.
Depends on whether or not the ATF shows up at your door.
It would be a fun day. Proof that my friend or the safe owner owns them would be a pretty literal and overt fabrication.
Not in their possession or control, and one generally can't have title to contraband, so I would say your friend is in the clear. The friend's friend, not so much.
Admittedly, I didn't say where the safe was and was generally vague as to the nature of the gun, but I would say there's a conception where you're beetween wrong and backwards.
They’ll solve big important problems, just as soon a their done fucking with half the country they hate.
Yes, we've seen how they "solve" problems. Once they are done fucking with half the country they hate, they will proceed to fucking up everything else. All with the best possible intentions, no doubt.
it's more than half they hate their puppets too.
Idiots are useful, until they aren't.
"Probably" unconstitutional? "Probably"?
Seriously, Tuccile? "Probably"?
This is not remotely an edge case. If you're suggesting it is, you're probably sympathetic to gun control.
Don't worry, Illinois is two steps ahead in committing a major constitutional violation.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2022/12/1/23467396/highland-park-parade-mass-shooting-assault-weapons-foid-card-firearm-owner-identification-democrats
Illinois House Democrats plan to introduce a massive gun control bill that would outlaw the sale of assault weapons and prevent most residents under 21 from legally buying a gun.
The measure would end the sale of assault weapons immediately and allow registration of existing weapons. It also would prevent future sales of ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds and tighten regulations to prohibit “rapid-fire devices” that turn firearms that fire one shot per trigger pull into fully automatic weapons.
Huh? What devices are they (“that turn firearms that fire one shot per trigger pull into fully automatic weapons”) talking about? DO THEY realize that real devices like that are already classed as “machine guns” by the ATF and are required to be registered by them, under the NFA? And, of course, since they are likely less than roughly 40 years old, cannot be so registered. We aren’t just talking them being illegal when installed, but even standalone.
This is Illinois we're talking about here. They have ways of making California look smart, and that's not easy to do.
They're probably talking about devices that DON'T actually turn guns into machine guns, but just make it easier to pull the trigger repeatedly. Hellfire triggers, IOW, the bump stock's smarter cousin.
Since the courts let the BATF get away with administratively banning bump stocks, the gun control movement think they have a judicial green light to call anything that makes pulling a trigger easier a "machine gun".
Incidentally, as the saying goes, you can't drink them, you can't smoke them, and you can't fire them: They're not alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, they're the Bureau of the same, the "BATF".
Despite their TLA envy.
They’re probably talking about devices that DON’T actually turn guns into machine guns, but just make it easier to pull the trigger repeatedly. Hellfire triggers, IOW, the bump stock’s smarter cousin.
First, the primary intent is to raise FOID qualifications from 18 to 21.
Second, layer cake. Whether the FedGov or ATF decides to ban such devices or not, IL's got you covered (just like FOIDs).
That all looks familiar. Like New Jersey, only 20 years behind the curve.
Buy more wheel and lever guns, got it.
What are pump actions, diced liver?
From several hundred yards with a straight pull bolt action, yes.
Right tool for the right job. I use them all.
It (they) will dice liver (and shotguns) at ranges much, much less than several hundred yards too! 🙂
Which is why I love my ARs; good far away, and up close too!
But still, you gotta love a good shotgun.
Nothing says "oh, shit" better than an 870 being racked in the night.
I'm not looking for an "Oh, shit" in the middle of the night. I'm looking for a message to their NOK the next day that says, "Do better next time." 🙂
Shotguns are good if you want to preserve the liver.
I kind of like the Taurus "Circuit Judge"; A .45 LC/.410 shotgun shell 5 shot revolver rifle? Cool as heck, and I already have at least one gun in .45 LC. Alas, the reviews are kind of mixed.
Never cottoned to one of those; seem like it tries to do too many things, in a big and heavy revolver format. But agree, they are kind of cool [and that is reason enough, if you like it].
My "woods gun" is a Ruger LCR .357 that weighs 17 ounces empty. I shot Buffalo Bore .357 180 grain hard cast though it just to see if it worked [it did] and if I could consistently hit steel at 15 yards [I did]; but holy fuck that hurt! But if Mr. Bear ever comes at me with a sore ass, it will give me a distinct advantage.
Nobody needs a derringer with 2 barrels.
"...it's probably unconstitutional and bound to alienate millions of Americans."
That's just how you energize your [urban, Democratic] base, who like to say "we are better than this [actually, YOU]."
For anyone not triggered by the mere mention of guns, do we not understand that the primary value, and most common use, of arms (and armies) is when their presence deters bad actors? Thus don't we want guns to look as scary as possible?
wrong place
What an amazing lack of imagination we have in this country. Because we cannot figure out a reasonable definition of what a gun is we must throw our hands up and allow for anything goes? Right now, despite scaremongers saying the Democrats are taking your guns for decades, you can go to the store, and if you have the money, buy as many guns as you want with no limits on ammo. If you are a felon it is different. But Republicans don't care about them because they are disproportionately non-white and poor. So affluent white Americans can create armories in their basement. Teenagers can make impulsive purchases. Anyone can claim their gun is for hunting or collecting but it doesn't matter because no one is checking. Anything goes. That's a recipe for destruction. I don't know the exact solution but simply making semantical debates as a mean of total blockage is not the solution.
What an amazing collection of nonsense.
It's not that we can't figure out reasonable definitions. The "assault weapon" term was expressly invented to be arbitrary! You could claim to be outlawing "weapons of war" and then go after hunting rifles or even semi-auto pistols, precisely because it DOES lack an objective definition.
Yes, the Democrats have been trying to take our guns away for decades now, and the only reason they've failed is a lot of people fighting them tooth and nail. You're looking at a war of tug of rope, and assuming that everything is peaceful just because the rope is hardly moving.
And not noticing that it's actually near the breaking point.
You're probably more likely to die by lightning strike than by random gun violence.
Don't commit suicide and don't regularly interact with felons and your chance of dying via gun is incredibly small in the US.
What destruction do you speak of?
Vast majority of gun homicides occur in urban pockets of violence, committed by and upon persons already well know to the police [and who have a number of felonies to their credit, including illegal firearm possession].
Otherwise, we are about as safe a Australia in that regard, without the tyranny [though they sure as hell keep trying].
Well that was a big bucket of stupid. Fortunately, the 2nd Amendment protects the right that protects your right to spout off.
Because we cannot figure out a reasonable definition of what a gun is we must throw our hands up and allow for anything goes?
No. Murder, armed and strong arm robbery, assault, arson, terrorism, and even attempting or threatening any of them is still illegal, gun or not.
In 1988 Sugarmann founded the Violence Policy Center, a 501(c3) gun control advocacy and educational group based in Washington, DC.[4] The Violence Policy Center is known mainly for its in-depth research on the firearms industry, the causes and effects of gun violence, and recommendations for regulatory policies to reduce gun violence.[5][page needed]
Sugarmann has opposed the widespread availability of semi-automatic rifles. In 1988 he published a study, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America. It examined the growing popularity of semiautomatic firearms, referring to them as "assault weapons".[6] Together with the response to a mass shooting in Stockton, California, the following year, his study has been credited for popularizing the use of the term "assault weapons." The study documents advertising by the gun industry that specifically refers to these weapons as assault rifles.[6][page needed]
Sugarmann has written two books on gun control. National Rifle Association: Money, Firepower & Fear (1992) was an exposé of the National Rifle Association.[8][9] The second, Every Handgun is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns (2000), gives reasons to ban private possession of handguns in the United States.
He maintains a Class One Federal Firearms License in Washington, DC, which makes it legal for him to transfer and handle firearms.[13] Sugarmann believes a full ban on handguns is necessary.[14] He has also called for bans on semi-automatic rifles and firearm magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds.
You can personally thank him for the confusion:
“The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons,” Sugarmann wrote.
The problem is totalitarian politicians making production and trade a crime and equivocating into felons all who associate with the wrong twigs and seeds--this to please the Budweiser lobby.
"What an amazing lack of imagination we have in this country..."
What an amazing number of lefty shits we have, constantly looking for some loophole to restrict the freedom of the rest of us.
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
Guns are easy to define. Specific types of guns are easy to define too, by length, caliber, mechanism, etc.
The problem isn't "imagination", the problem is that none of those definitions accomplish anything because criminals don't obey gun laws in the first place. You can ban whatever you want and it won't make any difference.
The problem in this country is that it is filled with nincompoops like you.
You do know that the first bolt action rifles were designed solely for military use? That bolt action rifles are still used as weapons of war, especially for snipers? That semi-automatic rifles were considered unsuitable for military use and were specifically sold as hunting rifles until after the first world war? That the only reason bolt action rifles became so popular after the first world war is because there was a floor of military surplus rifles sold cheaply at the end of the war, making them cheaper than the semi-automatic and lever action rifles which had been far more popular for hunters before the war? You do realize almost every gun owner can define firearms far better than the people trying to take them away? That nothing about the AR-15 or other rifles makes them more lethal than a bolt action or pump or lever action? That in fact those other rifles are likely more lethal because they tend to shoot bigger, faster bullets? That using a stripper clip, a person can achieve a real world cyclic rate similar between a semi-automatic rifle and a bolt action rifle? No, we can define guns, and understand the phrase 'shall not be infringed'. The path to destruction isn't an armed populous but making the constitution arbitrary to suit your needs and wants.
It’s a bold and probably unconstitutional goal
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Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
It's funny watching you desperately try to "cancel" me.
As much as I appreciate Sevo's role as guard dog around here, you cancel yourself; you are only here to be contentious, and it is tiresome.
I'm not here to rub your tummy, no.
Once people are reduced to near poverty and beaten down by criminals the final blow will be intimidating them door to door by armed thugs. That's why the constant anti-gun activity.
The idea the Political State can still order men with service pistols to violate the ownership of property protected by the Bill of Rights is sick. But someone just handed Kristallnacht gun-grabbers a holiday gift by attacking a transformer station on the U.S. grid. When National Socialists tried this sort of thing in the forties, they got a date with Old Sparky.
I expect that it's really going to be hushed up if they find out it was an environmentalist.
The media will run with whatever narrative they like, and then forget about it when it doesn't pan out. But in the meantime they can get so much out there.
It’s a bold and probably unconstitutional goal that’s bound to alienate millions of Americans.
Yeah, like that has ever stopped him.
When you can win elections while sitting in your basement drooling, you don't really care about alienating voters.
For every million Americans that despise them, they'll dredge up another million homeless and college kids, tell them where to make the X, and harvest their ballots. Free drugs/booze included.
Democracy!
While I don't believe it would be Constitutional, banning semi-automatic weapons would be the only gun control law that that would stand any chance of reducing fatalities.
The rest are mere window dressing.
"...banning semi-automatic weapons would be the only gun control law that that would stand any chance of reducing fatalities."
It's almost like we never had homicides before these existed!!!
First take out the suicides, because that can be done with a John Wilkes Booth style of one shot derringer. There goes about 50-60% of your fatalities.
And if semi autos were eliminated, everyone would just go back to using wheel guns, like they did before the 80s. And there were plenty of gun homicides before that.
A double action revolver with a speed loader can produce a similar real world cyclic rate as a semi-automatic pistol. A bolt action rifle with a fixed magazine with a stripper clip similar to a semi-automatic rifle. A bolt action rifle with a detachable magazine (most modern bolt action rifles because it's safer) even more so. To build a speed loader for a pump shotgun isn't any more complicated than a piece of pvc pipe with a pusher. Banning semi-automatics would do nothing. In fact it may make solving homicides harder, as revolvers don't eject brass until you reload. There are also revolvers capable of carrying up to 12 shots, and numerous that carry 8-10 rounds before needing to be reloaded.
Even that is not even remotely practical, given the sheer number of semi-automatic firearms currently in circulation. That ship has not only sailed, it has sunk.
Since the case that's considered foundational as establishing that any kind of gun control can be constitutional simply upheld a ban on certain weapons which "serve no military purpose", any Dem who's actually as awestruck by "precedent" (which was the basis for every claim that most of the justices who overturned Roe "lied" by saying they'd give the case its due place as precedent when asked by litmus-testers in denial during confirmation hearings) should clearly understand that any attempt to ban civilian ownership of "weapons of war" would be in direct conflict with the "well-regulated milita" portion of 2A and therefore clearly something that's prohibited to the Feds directly, and to the States under 14A.
I'm not a gun owner, so this may not have surprised those of you who who own guns, but the article said only 20% of owned guns are semi-automatic. Isn't that really low? I have always thought that most guns especially handguns) were semi-automatic. When I think of a revolver I think of 1970s cop shows.
I've always thought that people trying to ban "semi-automatic guns" sounded really stupid (and really awful). It's such a broad, vague category. Nothing about muzzle velocity or penetrating power, which would seem relevant if you were trying to stop "cop-killer" guns (or bullets, I guess). Nothing about the purpose that a weapon is designed for (except the dishonest "assault rifle" label, which seems to mash a bunch of different guns together indiscriminately). Nothing logical or sensible.
Gun bans on the left are as asinine and irrational as abortion bans on the right. Neither should have the support of those who support individual liberty.
On the plus side, liberal overreach on guns is destined to be as successful as abortion bans on the right. Probably less so, since gun bans are unlikely to be instituted or win Supreme Court cases and we are in the midst of a brief period of anti-abortion supremacy.
re: 20% - Remember that "guns" includes shotguns - and a very large number of them (sold both now and in the past) are single-shot, double-barrel or pump action - none of which meet the definition of "semi-automatic". And at least among my friends and family, handguns are tools but shotguns are heirlooms - which means that more of them accumulate over time.
If any of the 1-2% of "mass shooters" who aren't committing gang-related violence ever figure out the kind of damage that could be done in a contained space by a pump-action shotgun (or if the leftists get their way and actually stop access to those "evil semiautomatics"), god help whoever is in the first designated soft-target (some call them "Gun Free Zones" since the one thing that scares murderers is signage) they choose to hit.
Keep in mind that was from an article published in 2013 citing an estimate made in 1996 and manufacturing data from 2011 so to say it's a little stale is probably a gross understatement. This piece does does say that in 2019 84% of handguns were semi-auto so my guess is we're near 50% if not more. Then, of course, there's the recent boom in 80% DIY guns. I can't say I've ever seen an 80% revolver, single shot, lever, etc. firearm, they're all semi-auto with the only question being plastic, aluminum, or steel.
All that said, tech is going to make many laws obsolete whether it's a ban on abortion or guns. What are the hand wringers going to do when artificial wombs replace abortion and full auto suppressed DIY air rifles capable of dumping 16-20 rounds in a second are a 3D print away? Wring harder I guess.
By the definition of "semi-automatic" cited in the article, where one pull of the trigger discharges a round and leaves the next round in firing position, that would actually include most double-action revolvers as being technically "semi-automatic"; other definitions which specify that recoil and/or gas pressure energy is partially harnesses to cycle the mechanism of the "action" would exclude revolvers of all sorts whether they're single or double action but might also exclude weapons like a gatling gun as well.
Very true. I doubt Senile would recognize the difference since most double barrel shotguns with a box lock action would also qualify since they automatically switch to the second barrel upon firing the first barrel. We all know he's a fan of illegally firing a shotgun into the air given he's a legal idiot, but I digress. He really wants to be the Forest Gump of US presidents. Stupid is as stupid does.
"Maybe Biden just meant military-looking semiautomatic rifles"
No, he meant exactly what he said. Granted he missed the script and accidentally said the quiet part out loud. What can you expect really? Senility actually lets the facts slip out at times.
Okay, so we're taking every word Biden says literally, and we're taking every word Trump says as "just talking".
Got it!
Lol.
Yeah, you're not arguing in good faith.
You're looking for your next dose of "ohmygod did you see what Trump said?" sweet sweet dopamine.
What's funny is you can get that from so many places.
The obvious difference between Biden and Trump being that Biden has repeatedly done blatantly unconstitutional, unprecedented things.
Do most rational people believe Trump would try to install himself as some dictator (or that he'd ever have the support)? No.
Do most rational people believe that Biden would have the support of a frighteningly large chunk of Americans if he decided that guns should be outlawed via EO, or that federal resources should go towards policing hate speech, or that states that discriminate based on gender should get no federal dollars? And only the faith in the legitimacy of the SC, which the MSM is constantly trying to undermine these days, would prevent his overreach?
But yeah, Trump is so bad!
"Do most rational people believe Trump would try to install himself as some dictator (or that he’d ever have the support)? No."
Would he try? Absolutely. Would he have support? More than should make any American comfortable, but not nearly enough to succeed.
"Do most rational people believe that Biden would have the support of a frighteningly large chunk of Americans if he decided that guns should be outlawed via EO"
Outlawed? No, he wouldn't have much support. Harsh restrictions? Yes, he unfortunately would.
"that federal resources should go towards policing hate speech"
To a certain extent, this is already happening in federal prosecutions. It has for a long time.
"that states that discriminate based on gender should get no federal dollars"
I believe this has already been adjudicated. For example, I believe that the Trump administration tried to withhold federal funds from sanctuary cities and lost. I would imagine any attempt by Biden would face the same challenges.
"But yeah, Trump is so bad!"
Yes, he is. He was an awful president and he is a terrible human being. Biden isn't a good President, either, but that doesn't change anything about Trump.
Your seemingly exclusive focus on Trump's detractors is interesting, but I suppose everyone needs a hobby.
In any case, Trump's people were absolutely prepared to go further than Trump ultimately did in response to his losing the last election, and as I've said before, that nothing worse happened is entirely down to Trump being a coward. He had the power, and he had the forces. His loyalists were working night and day to do whatever it took to reject the results of the election ("correct" them, in their minds, of course) and keep Trump in power. He let them down, he let them go to jail and he sulked off to Mar-a-Loser.
But I'm glad you're pessimistic about Trump's chances in 2024, and I'm looking forward to having just an ordinarily bad president next time (it won't be Joe Biden).
You blue team fucks can go fuck right off. Where did I mention Trump? Fuck you, slaver. Biden literally said the quiet part out loud and you know it because your an authoritarian slaver too so don't try to deny it. Yeah, I'll say it - Orange man was an idiot but Senile man is doing us a favor by being honest even if he doesn't know it.
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Biden is "old enough to know better" but a huge chunk of his supporters don't know much about guns that they didn't learn from Michael Bay movies.
For being the self proclaimed "party of Science" and "party of Education", they're prone to deliberately cultivated ignorance on a number of subjects, not counting the areas where they're ignorant because of where their chosen information silos aggressively ignore facts and/or knowingly promote false information.
As the Left has shown throughout history, amendments to the Constitution aren't necessary for progressive change, only changes to those who sit on the court. Anyone who can find a constitutional right to homosexuality and abortion can easily find a way to justify any degree of gun restrictions.
You've missed a trick: The Supreme Court doesn't have to rule at all; all they really need to do is decline to review lower court decisions upholding unconstitutional firearms restrictions and--voilà--those restrictions become the law of the land.
The Civil War amendments, however, were apparently necessary for "progressive change"...
“Anyone who can find a constitutional right to homosexuality and abortion”
Of course. Why would anyone read the Constitution as a document that supports equal protection and individual liberty? Those people are stupid dumb nanas.
First off, Joe Biden doesn't mean what he says because he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about on pretty much any subject. He is just reading the teleprompter.
Secondly, the elite, world socialist, who have their hand shoved up the ass of the puppet that is Joe Biden, are almost as dumb as Biden himself when it comes to the subjects of guns. Doesn't keep them from attempting to regulate them.
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Biden Says He’s Not Coming For Your Guns But A Resurfaced Video Shows Otherwise- What A LIAR
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What did you think, "I'm going to try to get rid of assault weapons," quoted above in the article, meant?
Anyone who claims semi-autos only make up 20% of the market simply does not know what they're talking about. The number is closer to 85%. Outside the ambit of "semi-auto" one finds only revolvers, bolt action, lever action, and pump action rifles and shotguns. In short, almost everyone will be affected by a semi-auto ban.
130 million Americans own 425 million firearms and 300 billion rounds of ammunition. There will be civil war in this country before there is meaningful civilian disarmament. Some days, talking to the anti-gun loons, I feel like I'm standing with a crowd of eight-year-olds, ankle deep in gasoline, trying to keep them from playing with matches.
I agree that semi-autos probably make up 85% of the current market for handguns and rifles - that is, new guns other than shotguns being sold now. But the original statement wasn't about the market, it was about guns owned. That includes hundreds of millions of older guns, including lots of 1903 Springfield bolt action rifles, other bolt action hunting rifles, .22 target rifles in bolt action or even single-shot, revolvers, heirloom lever action rifles and modern replicas, and a whole lot of shotguns from single-shot break action to pump action and double barrel. And I doubt that semi-autos dominate the shotgun market even now; they're fussy about the cartridge, while one of the wonderful features of the manually operated shotguns is that they'll fire almost anything in the correct gauge.
But chances are that 20% figure is about 3 decades old. There have been far too many AR-15-style rifles and Glock-style, .45 M1911-style, and ultra-cheap Phoenix Arms-style pistols sold for it to still be true.
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Canadian liberals - represent a road map that liberals in the USA would love to be able to follow - they have proposed a ban that would include certain customized versions of the Ruger #1 single shot rifle (based on the amount of muzzle energy). Anyone claiming that liberals will ever be satisfied with their latest iteration of gun control is seriously delusional!
So Canadian leftists want to ban single-shot weapons that are effective against Polar Bears?
Biden thinks a single barrel shotgun is a semi-automatic weapon.
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