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You've been covering up for totalitarian leftist globalism.
You've denied us legitimate elections and served as the illegitimate government's lickspittle.
You are the enemy of the people, and of freedom and liberty.
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Years ago by now, Our Dear Leader announced to us, the He may commit murder in broad daylight, and we shall still support Him! So He Has Commanded, and So Must it be Done!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
And now, oh ye Faithful of the Republican Church, It Has Become Known Unto us, that it is also in His Power and Privilege Ass Well, to murder the USA Constitution in broad daylight. Thus He Has Spoken, and Thus Must It Be Done! Thou shalt Render Unto Trump, and simply REND the USA Constitution, and wipe thine wise asses with it! Do NOT render unto some moldering old scrap of bathroom tissue! Lest we be called fools, or worse!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
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It’s time for anyone who is still on the Trump bus to get off.
Fuck off, Mike, you blue check party shill.
You beat me to it.
Do you include Sullum? If you don't, you aren't serious.
Do the retard lefts not understand that calling out reason editors for their bs is not the same as idolizing trump?
For example sullum articles where the FBI should not be trusted, except for when they target trump... Then they are infallible
Leftists know they are lying, evil, totalitarian scumbags who desire nothing more than to ruin your life.
They don’t care.
They don’t care because they know the rules won’t be applied to them, but your morality and the rules will protect them from you.
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Great article, Mike. I appreciate your work... NOT!!!
Hate-Gate-Keeper, get your ugly ass back to Zuul!!! And STAY there!!!!
Leftist are not that bright. They are mired in tribalism. Nothing else matters.
Well gosh, I’ll just do what some extend far left internet sea lion troll thinks I should do.
Seriously faggot, just fuck off. Everyone here hates you except maybe the drunk, the child milestones, and the psycho who eats actual shit.
Lying Jeffy likes him to.
Orangemanbad, Shillsy. Keep peddling Democratic Party propaganda even when you know it's a lie.
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Leftists and especially "journalists" are bots or scripts with pre-prepared talking points like "PR" and "richest man." See for yourself. This is how the Regime works. It's a big performance to get people to follow their script. It's reflexive hyperreality.
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I like the part further down where everyone is sick, but “grateful to be vaccinated and boosted”.
I like the sign: Cancel Culture was created because the left cannot survive in a marketplace of free ideas.
Of course they can’t. They only have scarcity, slavery and hopelessness to offer. You need some pretty big lies, and a lot of scapegoating and demonization to cover for that.
"Leftists and especially “journalists” are bots or scripts"
See Sqrlsy down below pushing today's talking-point (lie) that Trump claimed massive fraud allows him to ignore the constitution... He's a little too stupid to be a script though.
And wildly enough jeff and Mike are repeating the bot narratives.
They’re pretty much leftist npc’s themselves. So this isn’t a surprise. They pretty much think and say what the DNC and organizations like Media Matter tell them to.
Seriously, what do you think the odds are that they both receive daily talking points from one or more democrat approved sources via email?
I don’t get talking points from anyone. I really couldn’t give a shit what Media Matters thinks about anything.
On the other hand, it’s already documented that you all read the same circle of right-wing news sources every day and post links to these stories in the morning roundup story. It’s not uncommon for two or more of you to post a link from a right-wing source to the same story in the same morning roundup. Because you all travel in the same circles.
The right-wing media bubble consists of approximately Fox News, Breitbart, Federalist, Washington Examiner, Just The News, NY Post, Zero Hedge, that’s about it. If anyone gets “talking points” it’s from the media narrative that’s spun by this dozen or so outlets that constitute the entirety of the right-wing news source.
"We weren't mesmerized or disgusted by Donald Trump's characteristically bombastic and bullshit-filled rhetoric and instead focused on the actual effects (some good, some bad) of his policies."
Blatantly false. Gillespie is guilty of it as well, but he softly called out the other editors (especially Sullum) for their TDS on the podcast many times during the Trump administration. That little bit is about the best praise I can offer Reason on this point. The writers here almost unanimously focused on his rhetoric and repeated false narratives crafted by his enemies.
They want amnesty.
Amnesty should never be granted to actors who continue to exacerbate the problem and neither regret nor ask forgiveness for their actions.
Yes, this! And HERE is such a case!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
Trump trumps ALL other matters and considerations!!!!
Trump doesn't say that, contrary to your Democratic Party propaganda claims.
He said:
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution"
And he's right. Massive fraud does terminate rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
But your weasely propaganda articles pretend that he said the massive fraud allows "HIM" to ignore the constitution, which isn't what he said at all.
Of course you know this, but you're here to propagandize for team blue, like the tribal partisan you are. You're such a dishonest piece of shit, Sqrlsy.
“…A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,” Trump wrote in a post…
We must TRUST in Trump WHENEVER AND WHEREVER He sees “Massive Fraud”! ‘Cause He’s TRUMP, and He is with OUR Tribe! AND we must ALSO trust His Perfect Judgment when He Personally Selects WHICH clauses of the USA Constitution are worth listening to, and which are NOT!
(What could possibly go wrong here?)
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“The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…
https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/
He pussy-grab His creditors in 6 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!
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ORANGE MAN BAD! Good job Shillsy.
Orangemanbad, Shillsy. Keep peddling Democratic Party propaganda.
(What could possibly go wrong here?)
Democratic Party shills like you deliberately twist the meaning into something he didn't say?
It's always orangemanbad with you, Shillsy.
And he’s right. Massive fraud does terminate rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
lol you really are a Team Red shill. you are going to run cover for whatever they say.
How does it not, you Nazi fuck. Electoral fraud treats those documents like used toilet paper.
Yesterday you tried to peddle an anti-first amendment "thought experiment" in order to denigrate opposition to censorship, and today you're trying to pretend you give a flying fuck about the constitution?
Who the hell does a concern troll like you think he's fooling?
I wasn't aware of the "massive fraud" exception in the Constitution.
This is almost hilarious at this point. No matter what Team Red says, you will contort yourself into defending it. No matter what Team Blue says, you will contort yourself into opposing it. No matter what I, or sarc, or Mike, etc., say, you will find a way to oppose it. Because you are a feeble-minded tribalist.
I was especially amused when you questioned the idea that this comment board here constituted a "forum". The only reason for you to question it was because Mike Laursen claimed it was. It is pure reactionary silliness and it demonstrates the intellect of a 5-year-old.
Wait. You think voter fraud is constitutional? That is the only way this makes sense:
I wasn’t aware of the “massive fraud” exception in the Constitution.
No no Jesse, please show us all where the Constitution says "if there's massive fraud, then the rules don't apply"
Please, do follow ML in this idiotic quest to deflect for the right at every single turn even when Team Red is pushing blatantly horrible ideas.
Jesus christ jeff. You really do have the mentality of an autostic 5 year old.
Of government is ignoring the constitution and committing fraud especially in elections, the constitution is meaningless. That is what he is saying. That the government is already violating the constitution you fucking dishonest sea lion.
“please show us all where the Constitution says "if there’s massive fraud, then the rules don’t apply”
But, as I pointed out above, that's not what Trump said, you disingenuous fuck. That's the spin your Democratic party masters put on it.
Everyone can read what I wrote, Jeff. This gaslighting campaign of yours only works if they can't. Probably why you're peddling censorious "thought experiments".
Here is the sleight-of-hand again.
What Trump wrote:
“A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution”
What you claimed:
“Of government is ignoring the constitution and committing fraud especially in elections, the constitution is meaningless.”
You: Fraud makes the Constitution meaningless.
Trump: The existence of fraud permits the Constitution to be ignored.
They are different claims. You want to argue your claim, INSTEAD OF Trump’s claim, because as usual you are deflecting from Trump’s nakedly unconstitutional authoritarian garbage. Because it makes your team look bad.
So, Jesse, do you agree with Trump that the existence of fraud permits the Constitution to be ignored?
The Canadian is lecturing you on the Constitution? Unbelievable.
Mike is xenophobic.
Unlike you, I like the constitution. I think it's great. It's currently the biggest thorn in the side of blue check authoritarians like you.
He did? That’s hilarious.
I mean I’ll use whatever word Mother’s prefers. I’m not attached to the word, forum, and it’s certainly not worth quibbling over. What word does he want me to use?
Is this like when commenters here go off on a long pedantic objection whenever someone uses “fascist” in its inaccurate popular sense instead of its strict historical meaning? Is Mother’s arguing that a “forum” is only a place where Senators assemble?
No.
The best thing about White Mike muting people is how he then fantasizes about what they said, and winds up sounding like an idiot.
Yesterday you tried to peddle an anti-first amendment “thought experiment” in order to denigrate opposition to censorship
I am opposed to this type of censorship. Are you?
https://reason.com/2022/07/29/after-censorship-claims-hulu-will-air-democrats-abortion-and-gun-ads/?comments=true#comment-9623873
"I am opposed to this type of censorship."
You fucking pedophile.
Like, rape, murder and other forms of assault, Adults sexually assaulting minors isn’t free speech.
Reading books to kids isn't sexual assault, you authoritarian.
As is typical, you want to claim that you are "against censorship", but when called out on your own support for censorship, you want to argue "actually that's not REAL censorship...."
Awww. Jeff prove again his reading comprehension turns to a 5 year olds if it suits his partisan purposes.
Do you have another article praising dark brandon for us? Maybe a bulwark article?
I am sure you have plenty of articles from the right-wing media echo chamber which do nothing but inflame emotions, promote rage, and push narratives. Why don't you get going in posting your usual links?
Reminder once again. Jeff is the arbiter of what is a valid cite or not. If he disagrees with it it is right wing.
However if a right wing pub like the bulwark attacks trump it is no longer right wing and usable.
Jeff is a dishonest sea lion.
Even funnier is jeff posts links praising dark biden but he will never find one of me referring to trump in a similar manner.
I’m absolutely certain you’re a far leftist and a liar. One of us is wrong, and it isn’t me.
Yes we know. A critical thinker is a "far leftist".
And without that critical thinking, what would we all know about bears in trunks? NOTHING THAT’S WHAT!
What now Ted? Unless you have some critical thinking about how free speech effects minority communities, you’ve just embarrassed yourself.
You will never get an honest argument or statement out of SQRLSY. Other than when he said he like Hitler and eats actual human shit.
Trump’s enemies didn’t craft perception of Trump. Trump has been the prime driver of his image all along.
Especially the perception that Trump was a Russian puppet, right?
Especially the perception that Trump called Nazis good people, right?
Hillary was his friend? Bidens were his friends?
This is confusing.
"Trump has been the prime driver of his image all along."
Except for all the lies you and your pals told, Mike.
Lies like Trump colluded with Russia, Jan 06 was an insurrection, Trump had a pee pee tape, Trump caused asian hate, the China travel ban was racist, Trump said drink bleach, Trump threw out the MLK Jr bust, Trump banned Muslims, Mueller proved Trump-Cohen lie, Trump Jr had WikiLeaks access, Trump called Nazis fine people, Trump tried to nuke a hurricane, Trump is preparing Martial Law, Trump said all Mexicans rapists, Trump tear gassed Lafayette Square, Trump had secret Russia server, Trump pays no taxes, Trump failed Puerto Rico, Trump wants war with Iran, Trump wants to Nuke North Korea, Trump is Anti-Semite, Trump will crash stock market, Trump will start WW3, etc...
Almost every single one of these lies you personally peddled here. Maybe you and your demagogic pals are the drivers of what you purport is his image.
I don’t call him Mike Liarson for nothing.
Gillespie outright said he preferred a Trump presidency to a Biden presidency. He only changed his mind after January 6th.
So if one had to guess, is Mike Liarson confused about what “we” means, or is he being a disingenuous cunt?
It can be both.
Only an idiot or a liar of galactic proportions would pretend that J6 was an insurrection or that Trump (rather than the FBI) incited a riot.
Gillespie isn't a complete idiot, but he is willing to lie to keep on good terms with his peers.
If you want to raise money, I suggest selling a baseball bat stamped, "Your Rights". I'm guessing it'd be really popular with people that have to live with libertarians.
"how to expand "free minds and free markets."
Fire the current group of bien pensant blue checks and hire libertarians.
Seconded. I want real libertarians here writing, not faux libertarians who seem to think all libertarianism is, is sex, food trucks, and weed with open borders and a tepid pro-Second Amendment stance. I see more support for the Constitution from the adjoining VC than I do from Reason right now, and I’ve read the print and online editions since the 90s.
Amen. I'm tired of articles properly lambasting stupid government ideas, but always from the point of how inept they are, with zero mention of how they trample rights.
Go ahead and show how inept government is, I'm all for that. But don't let wrestling with the pigs distract you from the primary theme of liberty.
The liberal libertarian alliance is due any day now. Look at how dreamy polis is.
Just a few more hemming and hawwing and a few more ignoring trampling of rights due to incompetence or good intentions and we will be there.
If you want real libertarians, I suggest you check the graveyards. The best we can do these days is Drag Queen Story Hour.
Suggest something a little more realistic, like hiring a Passenger Pigeon.
Does Project Veritas accept donations? Maybe I’ll give them one.
PayPal account frozen yet?
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TO THE REASON STAFF: Please ignore (most) of your critics. I’m sure you get a chuckle out of them, as do I. You’d think that at least they would appreciate the opportunity you give them to slam you at will.
As for me, you’re not perfect, and we do have our differences, but, overall, keep up the good work!
Their good work may be better than Salon, but ENB still quotes Salon, NYT, WaPo, and other proggie sources every morning, and Reason writers still ignore liberty. They used to be better, and I used to donate monthly. They'll have to start promoting liberty again before I start donating again.
I'm especially peeved at all the focus on Trump's mean tweets to the point that some writers said they would vote for Biden. When you have two bad choices, either vote for the lesser evil or don't vote at all. Voting for the greater evil as a protest is remarkably idiotic.
An example. 2 sullum articles on trumps nuclear secrets. Not one on the overbearing reach of the DoJ against conservatives or even a mea culpa after wapo retracted the nuclear secret claims.
In fact reason has done a pass poor job of confronting fascism light and the corruption of large institutions with government. Robbie light touch article was a fine example of this.
The writers here are more concerned with not being excommunicated from their heavily blue social circles than being principled.
I forgot about Robbie's softball "interview" with Fauci. That apology is another overdue roadblock to any further donations.
Reason hasn't confronted it, they've promoted it
They’re all covering their bases for future employment. Having real libertarian principles, and writing about it will get them on a blacklist.
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TO THE REASON STAFF: Please ignore (most) of your critics. I’m sure you get a chuckle out of them, as do I. You’d think that at least they would appreciate the opportunity you give them to slam you at will.
As for me, you’re not perfect, and we do have our differences, but, overall, keep up the good work!"
^This is more shameful than anything Kanye's ever said
Agreed. And I encourage everyone in the commentariat to contribute some cold hard cash to Reason, if for no other reason is they are paying the hosting bill for you to hang out here everyday.
Lol.
Yeah, I don't see that happening. Maybe they could do some work in exchange for the privilege? You know, like we would wish welfare recipients would do in exchange for their benefits?
(Popcorn time!)
Like someone here from the commentariat volunteering to implement a Like button, or something like that?
Or running to the grocery store for KMW? Picking up Gillespie’s jacket from the cleaners? Babysitting Welch’s kids?
I guess that would work.
You got erect just typing this, didn’t you?
Beating you across the nose with a. Rolled up newspaper when you’re a bad dog would be good. Maybe you should be crated.
Quite a few of the centers here used to donate, back when they pushe libritarian principals
Lol.
Maybe explain to us how this magazine has fought against the serious assault on free speech in the last six years.
It's a vastly more important issue than food trucks and prostitution, but the magazine as a whole has pretended it's just a matter of perception. That some people might merely "think" other people are being censorious and silencing news and criticism.
You'd think a libertarian magazine would be shouting from the bulwarks a full-throated defense of speech, but that's not what's happening at Reason.
The GOP book bans were covered.
Not having books as part of school curriculum isn’t banning them, no matter how much you wish schools would keep pushing pedophilia, pedo.
What books were "banned" by the GOP, you lying fuck?
shouting from the bulwarks a full-throated defense of speech
But they are. Which is what pisses you off so much. They are defending against threats to speech made by both sides.
You just lie and lie and lie and lie. How about you link to any robust condemnation here of the censorship of Covid-19 heresy.
I remember not too long ago Robby celebrating the administration-requested ban of someone for Covid heresy, who later turned out to be correct.
Imagine, a purported libertarian Reason writer celebrating censorship.
I guess you can imagine, because pushing censorship was what you were doing with your demented "thought experiment" yesterday.
Imagine, a purported libertarian Reason writer celebrating censorship.
I can imagine it. You can too.
Do you think that child porn should be illegal? Then you favor censorship.
Do you think that an employer has the right to regulate speech by his/her employees while on the clock? Then you favor censorship.
Do you think that private property owners have the right to regulate permitted speech on their own property? Then you favor censorship.
And Jeff goes right back to peddling a support of child porn, which is a distribution of a victim. Lol.
Amazing. Jeff. Youre such a pedophile.
Yes speech in criminal manners can be limited you dishonest fuck. Just like threats can. Because it entails a victim.
You equating this to a government utilizing censorship through a corporation is amazing.
You would fully support fascism as defined in Italy.
And you are back to your usual games.
Your typical schtick is:
I make an argument.
You ignore the argument that I make and instead substitute it for a related argument, one that I didn't make. Then you argue against that.
In so doing, you hope that no one notices the sleight-of-hand, or if they do, the discussion then turns into an argument about your dishonest tricks, and the original argument is lost.
It is how you continually deflect for Team Red.
In this case, I am discussing censorship *in general*. You, however, don't want to do that, because if you were, and if you were honest, you would have to admit that yes, Team Red does support censorship. Instead, you substitute it for an argument that I didn't make, which is that all instances of censorship are equally justifiable. They are not.
But you know this, and you don't care. Because you are afraid of actually discussing censorship in general. Because if you were, you would know it would make your team look bad. Hence your deflection.
“you hope that no one notices the sleight-of-hand”
He doesn’t worry about that. Everyone in his Mean Girls clique knows what he is doing, doesn’t care, and plays right along.
There was no sleight of hand. I responded directly to his argument. It helps to not have others on mute before agreeing with a pedophilia loving retard like jeff blindly.
9ypur argument is sophomoric.
Are you trying to convince yourself or others?
Does child pornography have a victim. Yes or no? Do you think child porn is a victimless crime, yes or no?
If you threaten someone and are arrested is it a free speech violation? Yes or no?
Amazing watching you here and then defending government collusion for censorship. What type of fucked up views do you have?
Cut the crap. You and I both believe that not only the production of child porn, but the *distribution* of child porn, should be illegal. And RIGHTLY SO. Prohibiting the *distribution* of child porn is censorship. Full stop. It is a censorship that both you and I support. I am just honest enough to admit it. You are not. You would rather demagogue the issue.
And you never addressed my other claims.
How about if an employer regulates the speech of his/her employees while on the clock. Is that permissible in your view? Isn't that censorship? It is censorship that you support. But you are too dishonest to admit it.
You want to have it both ways: to support some censorship, but bash everyone else over the head for CENSORSHIP!!! when they support it.
The question isn't "Censorship, yes or no?" That question has already been long answered, and the answer is yes. The real question is, how much, and how to limit it to the minimal possible amount? That is the question that the adults are discussing, anyway.
"Do you think that child porn should be illegal? Then you favor censorship"
Sexual assault is never free speech, you evil fuck. Children cannot consent, all production of child porn is assault. Not speech.
You twist and lie about everything to try and push your censorious agenda, even if it means calling assault "speech".
Do you think the *distribution* of child porn should be illegal? Yes or no?
And how about the rest of my examples?
Do you think that an employer has the right to regulate speech by his/her employees while on the clock? Then you favor censorship.
Do you think that private property owners have the right to regulate permitted speech on their own property? Then you favor censorship.
Admit it: you favor censorship, but you get more political and rhetorical mileage by not admitting it, and instead just going full demagogue on the issue.
Man, you’re really interested in normalizing child porn.
Oh Jeffy, always on the side of child molesters, always grooming. Are you just a booster? Or are you scheming with Shreek to get yourself some, of that boy flesh for yourself?
You sick piece of shit. No surprise you’re a leftist. It’s a haven for garbage like you.
See my Greenwald link. He's the platonic ideal of how you argue in favor of free speech.
He pulls no punches, gives no 'but fors' or 'to be sures', doesn't take any careful routing around sensitive topics so someone doesn't accidentally think he's a Republican or a Trump supporter, he rips everyone in Media Matters and WaPos cellar of "trust and online safety experts". That's how a libertarian argues in favor of free speech.
"Oh, but Greenwald is no libertarian"
Correct. That's why he's better than the libertarian-standardbearers on free speech.
Like I wrote yesterday, chemjeff, some of the commentariat don’t like Reason because Reason isn’t passionate enough. They want condemnations! Diatribes! Purges!
Reason’s style is too cerebral and … reasoned.
This is right. They want diatribes that lie to them.
All you do is lie to yourself lol.
Not true. He also lies to everyone else.
They don't want a magazine that is intellectually curious and that explores issues broadly.
They want a website that is narrow, doctrinaire, and fully in tune with the correct narrative.
They don’t explore it broadly. And neither do you. You take the leftist position on every topic and attempt to put a veneer of libertarianism around it. You’ve defended censorship, government collusion with business, globalism, welfare, child porn, grooming children, etc.
Youre a joke jeff. Thats why only 3 other leftists here even tolerate you.
Youre so open to discussion you attack everything you disagree with as right wing. Just look at this fucking thread sea lion. Youre a dishonest piece of leftist shit.
This is where we learn that Jesse thinks that critical thinking is a "leftist position".
You don’t engage in critical thinking. You puke up democrat narratives. And you’re a proven liar.
Yes I know. Critical thinking = "democrat narratives"
No.
Yes, demanding that speech only be free once first principles have all been agreed to is the reasoned, intellectually curious position.
You’ve defended censorship, government collusion with business, globalism, welfare, child porn, grooming children, etc.
Except for child porn, which I don't support and neither do you, both of us support the rest of those things to various degrees.
Do you believe the distribution of child porn should be illegal? Yes or no? If you say "yes", then you are in favor of censorship. Now it is a very defensible type of censorship, one that both you and I support. But you choose not to admit this, choosing instead to demagogue on the issue and hyperventilate about everyone else being censorious assholes without critically examining the issue.
Do you favor a centralized global body making any sort of decision affecting the sovereignty of all nations, even in the tiniest degree? Then you are a globalist, just as I am. You're just a dishonest one. You like to pretend that you favor global governance on the things that you like, while ranting about GLOBALISM!!!! on all the ones that you don't like, pretending that there is any difference *in principle* to those things.
Do you favor indoctrinating children into a particular cultural or social custom at an early age? If so then you are a "groomer", as the term is now commonly used. You're just dishonest about it. You are totally fine with parents teaching young kids that there is a magical Jesus who will save their souls if they are good children, and will send them to Hell if they are not. But the moment parents choose to teach kids that there's nothing wrong if two men fall in love and get married, suddenly that's GROOMING.
Most if not all of the "leftist" things that I support, you also support. You are just too dishonest to admit it.
Yup, most of the critics here are just Team Red shills of one flavor or another. Don't listen to them. Listen to the critics who have your best interests at heart, the ones who genuinely want to pursue liberty, instead of merely pursuing a right-wing agenda.
Big words from a fifty-center actually paid to shill Democratic Party talking points here.
Doesn't your massive hypocrisy sometimes make you choke?
If anyone is a fifty-center around here it's you. You consistently defend and deflect for Team Red at every turn.
The fuck you're not paid. Everything you post is a copy-paste from a Media Matters talking points pdf.
Everything you post is a copy-paste from a Media Matters talking points pdf.
I'll take your word for it, I wouldn't know.
Sure you would, you lying shitbag.
Daily reminder. Jeff is free to call everyone else right wing but don't you dare call him a leftist.
Daily reminder: Jesse is too stupid and/or too dishonest to understand that the world is not divided up into binary teams.
You are a right-winger. That is amply demonstrated.
Opposition to you is not the same as support for left-wingers.
Lol. How many times have you in just this thread attacked everyone as right wing you dishonest shit.
There is zero perfect equilibrium you retarded fuck. If there was youd be nowhere near the center. Your authoritarian leftist globalist.
My God your sophistry and delusions.
How many times have you in just this thread attacked everyone as right wing
That would be zero.
Wow. The fucking lies. You know people can read your posts and count right wing right?
Who the fuck do you think youre fooling outside of the idiot mike?
It's like you think nobody can read what you wrote if it becomes inconvenient.
Yes, you did. Amd for the record, Jesse is far more intelligent than you. You’re not bright.
I refuse. Not simply because of their ideological failings, but because Koch's money has yet to dry up. I will never give money to billionaire owned press orgs or think tanks.
But free riding on this comment forum is cool?
Mike is for closed borders and against welfare. Finally.
Mike is like every other leftist where he wants to live in a bubble unchallenged.
I don't know, is it Mike?
Maybe while you're at it explain how comments are a "forum"?
Also, maybe explain how, since the comments are often a bigger attraction and generate as many clicks as the articles, Reason is the one doing the favor for the commenters and not vice versa.
How much do you pay for truth social?
Perhaps Reason might charge $8 a year for a blue checkmark.
Well, being Reason, it would be an orange checkmark.
Cite?
https://twitter.com/COURSTILLIER/status/1598846734897070080?t=Z9Ex9qNPYLmxZTZuxStaRg&s=19
kind of bizarre how leftists so willingly broadcast how they would betray their family for political reasons
[Link]
From the comments: "Oh you’re a fascist? Let me use the government to threaten and jail you”
Trump Suggests ‘Termination’ of U.S. Constitution Allowable over 2020 Twitter Scandal
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/12/03/trump-suggests-termination-u-s-constitution-allowable-over-2020-twitter-scandal/
When you've lost BratFart you have lost the GOP.
OMG, the comments at the end. Looks like Trump hasn’t lost Breitbart’s readership at all. Constitution Schmonstituion.
Bratfart banned me.
NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWED!
Any comment critical of the GOP not allowed for very long.
Why do you tell lies? There are plenty of leftist trolls in their comments.
You posted child porn again didn't you.
The QAnon GOP creeps accuse everyone else of being a child predator. Alex Jones is their model.
It's just another Fatass Donnie Cult lie.
Not everyone else. Just you, and justifiably you.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
Another QAnon Alex Jones delusional idiot.
No. You linked to child porn and Reason banned you, you ban evading piece-of-shit.
QAnon didn’t make you post kiddie porn links.
You posted child porn. The fact that you lie about something everyone knows is true proves you'll lie about anything.
In your case, being a child predator is true and accurate. Of course they don’t like you, Shitplug.
You posted child porn links here. You’ve emitted it was your account. Stop with your bullshit.
Why? You post child porn there too, pedo?
Seriously? They really did?
No you idiot. Shrike lies.
Couldn't be bothered to read the actual quote. Just like yesterday when you rushed to hear the correct narrative before reading Taibbi tweets. Pathetic.
Trump said “A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."
And he's right. Massive fraud does terminate rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
The Democratic Party and their media allies added "Allows Trump to terminate" to the interpretation of the statement, and it looks like even Brietbart fell for it.
Kind of stupid of them because Trump's statement clearly doesn't say what they're claiming, and the Democrats have been pulling this misinterpretation stunt for years. "Nazi's are fine people, drink bleach, etc."
There are no rules, only weapons.
Really important to learn this fact.
Here's a good example:
Should I start posting blue check rants from the NYT or Salon comments? Bet we can find a lot more Nazi garbage there.
Hell, your pro-censorship "thought experiment" from yesterday was worse.
Are you pro-censorship, ML?
Here is where jeff will claim if you are against child porn youre pro censorship. Jeff is a ridiculous child molester.
But yet, Jeffy claims speech can injure. What a sack of manure.
"Are you pro-censorship, ML?"
NO.
And sexually assaulting kids isn’t speech either, you evil freak.
Huh, really?
So when Elon Musk banned Kanye for posting his Swastika-Star of David mashup flag, that was censorship, right? Elon Musk was wrong for doing that, right?
This guy was banned from Truth Social.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/posts-i-didnt-realize-would-get-me-banned-from-truth-social
Was Trump wrong for banning - i.e., CENSORING - this person? Yes or no?
You’re way off topic fatfuck. Typical, since you can’t defend anything you’ve said.
If Trump banned him yes. If some employee did then he shouldn't have.
It’s important we stay up on what johnny 2.0 ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ Jimi Headstoned is up to.
I see the same leftist narrative is being distributed. Sqrsly already got called put for the lie you are pushing above with the entire quote.
Good work shrike.
You seriously don't believe Donnie gives a flying fuck about the Constitution.
You seriously do believe Biden gives a flying fuck about the Constitution.
You like Biden because he likes sniffing kids' hair.
I seriously don’t believe YOU give a flying fuck about the Constitution. What with you lefties "living document" bullshit. This is just more of your concern trolling.
I seriously know you are pushing leftist narratives easily dismissed by full information. Also child porn.
More than you do, pedo.
If anyone did think that, Trump set the matter straight. He doesn’t.
Trump has to correct leftists lying about what he says. Just like his fine people quote that he has corrected a half dozen times and it still gets repeated.
Where else can you hear that both sides are to blame for [whatever]? Where else can you go for deranged anti-Trump screeds? Where can you hear policy ignored in favor of tone-policing twitter tweets? Where else can you go to hear people who couldn’t shut up about how anti-war they were to watch them ignore the issue and support Biden who voted for all those wars?
Where else can you learn that supply and demand don’t matter for immigrant labor versus jobs available?
Don’t forget about supporting the FBI JUST THIS ONCE.
FBI malfeasance is old news. Let's just move on from this topic, kay?
I'll donate if you bring on Glenn Greenwald to talk about free speech issues.
This.
https://reason.com/podcast/2020/11/27/glenn-greenwald-on-biden-free-speech-and-leaving-the-intercept/
So how much are you going to donate?
LOL
LOL
Agreed but I'm already a Greenwald subscriber.
Best $50 spent every year, though Taibbi is making a run for the top spot!
So I watched this episode. Honestly I started to tune out after about 10 minutes. Because he has the same repetitive schtick for the whole thing:
"I'm right and everyone who disagrees is stupid and/or evil".
I'm not interested in a diatribe that just tells me what the author thinks I want to hear. I want to hear an actual discussion so that I may actually learn something.
I note that in that clip, he never bothered to address the question that he led off the show with, which was: Will more free speech lead to harm to people in marginalized communities? It is a question worth asking, but he never addresses it. He just mocks it.
“Honestly I started to tune out after about 10 minutes.”
Yet you still gave a well thought out analysis of it all, right?
"Will more free speech lead to harm to people in marginalized communities? It is a question worth asking, but he never addresses it."
You're in luck. Reason contributor Noah Berlatsky explored exactly this in his now-classic Is the First Amendment too broad? The case for regulating hate speech in America.
Berlatsky cites the work of critical race theorists (a discipline I know you respect) to present the case that "white supremacist" speech should not enjoy First Amendment protection. Yeah, wouldn't it be great if the government could punish people for saying things like "The US should eliminate or at least scale back affirmative action" or "Could genetics explain some of the black - Asian SAT gap"?
I'm not in favor of government banning so-called 'hate speech'.
Do you think the question of "Will more free speech lead to harm to people in marginalized communities?" is worth discussing?
No.
Why not?
You first, Jeffy. Please explain how.
Don't you think it's important to know the potential foreseeable consequences of one's position?
Explain how speech can injure. How words physically injure.
Words cannot physically injure. That is absurd.
But speech can change people's minds and inspire a course of action. *That is why we value freedom of speech so much*. That is why we DON'T want government regulating speech. Because we don't want people's actions governed by only the government-approved ones.
However, sometimes that course of action can be violent and based on bad information.
Consider this thought experiment: Suppose you received information from a source that you believed was very trustworthy that your neighbor was an imminent threat to the community. He's a terrorist going to blow up a stadium, he's a psycho going to shoot up a school, he's a child molester going to rape your children, you pick whatever horrible scenario you wish. So, believing you are acting out of pure motives, you attack and restrain your neighbor to prevent him from committing the harm that you believe he is sure to commit. But it turns out the information you received was false; your neighbor was not a threat to anyone, and you instead now stand accused of violently assaulting your neighbor.
In this scenario, you of course are the one directly responsible for the violence against your neighbor. But does your information source bear any culpability whatsoever, even if only moral culpability, for misleading you?
So when left-wingers chant things like "speech is violence", this is the type of scenario that they are imagining. Not that literal words can commit literal violence. But that false information in the hands of violent people can lead to devastating results. And they have a point. They are wrong in wanting the government to step in and regulating speech. But their concern is worth some consideration at least.
So basically you’re a progressive here who believes in curtailing speech so no one gets hurt. Thanks for letting us know who you really are Jeff.
Words don’t harm “communities”.
What a collectivist question.
Nope.
In order to do so, you'd have to accept that:
Speech is harm.
Affects minorities disproportionately.
Is specifically being used to do so.
And that something must be done.
It's nonsense on stilts that would make any individualist blush, so it's no surprise that the institutionalist sees it different.
Why would you have to accept any of those premises just to discuss the topic? Your half of the discussion could be explaining why you don’t accept those premises.
Let’s discuss when Mike Liarson is going to stop beating his wife. (BTW she’s a different race, so nothing Mike says can be racist)
It only beats her when she objects to it molesting prepubescent children
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He, Taibbi, and a few others I can mention.
The problem with Reason asserting that it represents "libertarianism" is not that some writers are infected with TDS. It is not that some writers call individuals charged with parading and held in solitary confinement insurrectionists. It is not that some writers managed only a tepid response, if not full on enthusiasm, for the Covid lockdowns, the greatest assault on individual liberty in my lifetime. It is not that some writers celebrated the reelection of the lockdown governors because the larger evil is something called "election denialism". It is not that some writers have given a full throated defense of media censorship for years. It is not because some writers endorsed possibly the most corrupt, authoritarian, war mongering, drug warrior in the nation's history for president in 2020. It is not because some writers join the freak out about a guy threatening to end viewpoint censorship in a corner of social media while others tell us it's old news. It is not because some writers refuse to even entertain the possibility that significant election fraud might influence election outcomes.
It is because Reason speaks with a single voice on every one of these issues and many more. And in doing so, they at least tacitly, support the elitist tyrannical agenda that exists because of these narratives. You'll find more disagreement at National Review. There is no diversity of opinion at Reason. Every day is another heaping helping of regurgitated MSM narrative most of which is either anti liberty or irrelevant. I've been reading Reason since the 80s and it was pretty consistently a voice for liberty until 2016. Since then Reason has been actively redefining the term "libertarian" into something I no longer recognize. I no longer identify with that label. I haven't changed. I'm what I have always been I guess. A classical liberal. If the new Reason is libertarian, I want no part of it.
^
Seconded.
Major libertarian stories missed by this site.
Year long no bail arrests for non violent j6 paraders.
DoJ use of FACE act to go against pro life protestors.
Multiple Project Veritas stories such as raid for Ashley Biden story, leaks of PV communications with lawyers, raid on PV houses.
More journalist search warrants under Biden.
Hobbs threatening criminal penalties against election officials that saw misadministrated elections.
Misappropriation of billions in Ukraine.
Very light touch against the money laundering of Ukraine and FTX.
The democrat congressional threats against Musk.
DoJ threats against states disallowing child chemical castration and surgeries.
Failure of DoJ to pursue over 30 attacks against pro pregnancy centers while going after pro life protestors.
Garland going after school board parents.
Doj ignoring the leak of Trump tax statements seized by state government.
Increase of false DVE reporting by the FBI.
DoJ covering for Hunter Biden. Gun charges, FARA, you name it.
Biden's education officials working directly with teachers unions. HHS working directly with liberal advocacy groups like PP.
The use of confidential informants to push J6 riots.
Continued vaccine mandates in government.
Could even all the DoJ lawsuits against states for things as minimal as voter ID. Such as the attacks against Georgia.
Even a list this long only scratches the surface.
Agreed.
Uh-oh. ML has a sad.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/drag-storytime-terryberry-library-1.6663311
Clearly, Ms. Noire has never run across the Reason comment section. If she had, she would know that her ulterior purpose is to "sexualize kids", to convert them all to be gay, and get them ready for some child molestation later down the line, when Ms. Noire and her gang of child predators assaults kids in the bathroom.
Using kids is not ok, even if you eventually decide against raping them. Do not use children. Not for your social agenda, not for anything.
Who is doing the "using" of the children? The drag queens? It's completely optional, parents choose to take their kids to those events if they wish. Are you accusing the parents of using their own kids?
Is it parents "using" kids to push an agenda, if the parents take the kids to, say, a monster truck rally? A gun show? A Disney theme park? The mall? A steak restaurant? A vegan restaurant? Aren't they all "political statements" in their own way?
The ,imply event is that if you and your fellow travelers normalize pedophilia, you can finally fuck little boys like Shrike does without having to trap them (as grooming them yourself is likely infeasible due to your self admitted morbid obesity). Then you don’t have to worry about prison. Where I suspect a morbidly obese child rapist who is as excruciating to deal with as you would not survive long.
You're such a demented pervert Jeff, you think sexually approaching kids is okay.
These pedophiles are wearing sexualized drag. They're not dressed as Mrs. Doubtfire or Dame Edna. They're dressed as strippers and hookers.
I linked a story to you several months ago of a Drag storytime reader flashing his penis at the kids he was reading to, and you promptly ghosted the comments.
Are you still going to tell me flashing your erection to children is speech and not assault?
Yup, this is your dishonesty.
You favor censoring Ms. Noire, you just aren't honest enough to call it "censorship". Oh no no, that's not "real censorship".
Banning drag queens from reading books to kids - i.e., CENSORING them - is okay in your mind as long as you rationalize it as "sexualizing kids". Which it isn't, but that is the fiction that allows you to overcome the cognitive dissonance in your head that you can claim to be both opposed to censorship and also in favor of banning drag queens from reading books to kids.
You’re deflecting, as usual. You have no defensible piston. So you resort to your prepared talking points and refuse to answer.
You’re so goddamned dishonest.
Again you're misrepresenting my position. I'm not against a guy in a modest, respectable frock and lipstick reading to children, I'm against perverts in sexualized outfits assaulting children visually... like this drag queen story reader exposing his penis to kids: https://thepostmillennial.com/drag-queen-flashes-young-children-at-drag-queen-story-hour
But they never are guys in modest frocks or mom jeans reading to children, it's always stripper boots, fishnets and see through panties (shit that 99.9% of women wouldn't be caught dead in) because it's really about exposing themselves to kids for cheap kicks.
I think it also comes, in part, from being totally immersed in a right-wing media bubble which constantly proclaims that everything that you believe is right, because you are a "true patriot", while everything that they believe is wrong, because they are "they", enemies of the Republic, not to be believed. It is tautological.
So by definition, you are right on every issue. You're a patriot, right? Of course you are! And patriots are never wrong! Those other people, though, they are not patriots. They are wrong. They are bad people who should be rejected.
So by this token, what THEY want to do is bad, it is "censorship", because that is a bad word, and that is what bad people do. You on the other hand are a good person, who is a patriot who only does good things, so if you want to censor people, well, that's not actually "censorship", that is just patriots doing patriotic things. That's totally different you see! And if you disagree you're a leftist and a Nazi!
That is about the level of your critical thinking around here.
You ARE an enemy of the republic. You’re also an enemy of the well being of small children’s orifices everywhere. You sick fuck.
Article about COVID misinformation. Reasonably well-balanced, I think.
https://theweek.com/instant-opinion/1018898/has-the-threat-of-covid-misinformation-passed
Has the threat of COVID misinformation passed?
Well, they started on the wrong foot.
"Has the threat of hearing things that are declared untrue but later turned out to be true, but we don't care about that and will never admit it passed?"
The real misinformation was calling actual things "misinformation".
As usual a Jeff link pretends the censorship was justified.
This happened.
I feel safer now.
That’s ok, here, the State of Illinois does the harassment themselves rather than farming it out. I’ve gotten several nagging texts to go get my booster from the Illinois Department of Public Health (IDPH).
I live in IL and haven't been contacted. Must of slipped through the cracks somehow.
I’ve gotten maybe six or seven texts from IDPH regarding it. I just ignore and delete them.
The most important question is what does johnny 2.0 ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ Jimi Headstoned have to say about this?
I need to know what color his skin is before I care.
“What d’ya think, boss?”
“Did you insert ‘equity’ in there somewhere?”
“Well yeah, it’s in the last sentence.”
“Um…one sec, that one’s kinda wordy…Oh wait, I see it. Yep, good to go. Hit SEND!”
Huh. So it's not just Trump who wants to suspend the Constitution.
"We support the President’s call for a temporary suspension of the Constitution to rectify the problem of mass electoral fraud in our country."
https://twitter.com/RNRenewal/status/1599176978740879360
"Republicans for National Renewal"
Oh yeah, that's totally not a Democrat astroturfing account.
It's an actual account run by actual conservatives. Go and see for yourself.
It hurts when you learn that the people that you've been simping for are actually authoritarian assholes, doesn't it?
You tell me, faggot.
You know them?
If it comes to it, they're gonna vote for him anyway.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/leading-house-republican-trumps-call-suspend-constitution-2024/story?id=94397805
Nobody would lie on the twitters, would they?
Totally not fascist.
men with guns showed up to stop "Drag Queen Story Hour".
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1599448713730088965
Not really, no.
Would it be ok if they were transmen?
So we now have a right-wing-approved definition of "woke".
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/574045-in-andrew-warren-suspension-trial-gov-desantis-officials-answer-what-does-woke-mean/
So this is what even Team Red admits the term "woke" means.
The whole team! This is what they think! Intellectually curious and well-reasoned positions!
Jeffy’s the most individualist poster here. Just ask him. And ignore all his posts that indicate otherwise.
Go get ‘em Lefty Jeffy!
You really blew the lid off this time!
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