Judging From These Verdicts, Stewart Rhodes' Seditious Conspiracy Did Not Involve Attacking the Capitol
The Oath Keepers leader was acquitted of two riot-related conspiracy counts but convicted of plotting to keep Donald Trump in office "by force."

A federal jury this week convicted Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes of seditious conspiracy, concluding that he and Kelly Meggs, another member of the right-wing militia, plotted to keep Donald Trump in office "by force." This is the first time that a jury has convicted participants in the January 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol of that crime, which is punishable by up to 20 years in prison. The hundreds of Trump supporters who have been arrested in connection with the riot typically have faced misdemeanor charges such as trespassing, disorderly conduct, and unauthorized demonstrating.
Rhodes stands out from those other defendants because he was the leader of an armed organization that was allegedly determined to keep Joe Biden out of the White House by any means necessary. Yet Rhodes' seditious conspiracy conviction is rather puzzling given the jury's rejection of two other conspiracy charges against him. The jury acquitted Rhodes of conspiring to obstruct the congressional certification of Biden's victory on January 6 and of conspiring to prevent members of Congress from discharging their official duties by completing that process.
The eruption of "Stop the Steal" violence on January 6 delayed the electoral vote count, thereby obstructing the peaceful transfer of power, which was the alleged object of the seditious conspiracy. The Oath Keepers' actions that day, when several participated in the riot while others stood by at a nearby hotel where they had stashed weapons, were the most striking steps they took to advance that scheme. Yet the jury was not persuaded that Rhodes, the group's ostensible leader, planned to disrupt the congressional ratification of the election results.
Rhodes was on the Capitol grounds during the riot but, unlike several of his codefendants, did not enter the building itself. One of the prosecutors, Jeffrey Nestler, likened Rhodes to "a general surveying his troops on the battlefield." The jurors evidently did not accept that characterization. While they concluded that Rhodes did in fact obstruct an official proceeding, they found him not guilty of conspiring to do so.
By contrast, two Oath Keepers who did enter the Capitol, Meggs and Jessica Watkins, were convicted of conspiring to interrupt the electoral vote count. Meggs, Watkins, and Kenneth Harrelson, who also entered the building, were convicted of conspiring to interfere with legislators' official work. Yet Harrelson, Watkins, and Thomas Caldwell, who trespassed on a Capitol balcony during the riot, were acquitted of participating in the seditious conspiracy, while Meggs was convicted of that charge along with Rhodes.
Three Oath Keeper defendants—Joshua James, Brian Ulrich, and William Todd Wilson—had previously pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy. Two other members of the group, Jason Dolan and Graydon Young, pleaded guilty to other riot-related charges and testified during the trial of the five remaining defendants. "Dolan testified that he hoped to scare members of Congress and that he was part of a group that 'would be willing to fight' to keep [Trump] in office," NBC News notes. "Young testified that he was 'acting like a traitor' on Jan. 6, 2021, and that he thought he was part of an event similar to the 1789 storming of the Bastille during the French Revolution."
Contrary to the picture painted by the prosecution, however, this week's confusing combination of verdicts does not suggest that the Oath Keepers acted as a unified force under Rhodes' command. Judging from the jury's conclusions, Rhodes was not in on the plan to disrupt the electoral vote count, while Meggs, Watkins, and Harrelson were. Conversely, Rhodes and Meggs were bent on using force to keep Trump in power, while Watkins and Harrelson somehow were not. Caldwell likewise was not part of the seditious conspiracy, despite his role in coordinating and arming the "quick reaction force" (QRF) that remained at a Comfort Inn in Arlington, Virginia, during the riot.
The jury "made the confusing decision to acquit Mr. Rhodes of planning in advance to disrupt the certification of the election yet convict him of actually disrupting the certification process," The New York Times notes. "That suggested that the jurors may have believed that the violence at the Capitol on Jan. 6 erupted more or less spontaneously, as Mr. Rhodes has claimed." But if so, it is hard to make sense of the other defendants' conspiracy convictions in connection with the riot. Why didn't the jury conclude that they also acted "more or less spontaneously"?
The Oath Keepers indictment lists 10 elements of the seditious conspiracy, most of which are related to what happened on January 6. They include, for example, "preparing for and coordinating travel to Washington, D.C., to use force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power"; "bringing and contributing firearms, ammunition, and related equipment to the QRF staging areas outside Washington, D.C."; "bringing and contributing paramilitary gear, weapons, and supplies…to the Capitol grounds"; and "breaching and attempting to take control of the Capitol grounds and building on January 6, 2021, in an effort to prevent, hinder, and delay the Certification of the Electoral College vote."
The indictment also accused Rhodes et al. of "continuing to plot, after January 6, 2021, to oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power." But compared to that day's dramatic events, the aftermath was pretty weak tea. "The co-conspirators discussed the need to continue fighting to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power," the indictment says. There was a lot of bold talk, and Rhodes spent about $18,000 on ammunition, magazines, and various other firearm accessories. But nothing came of those discussions and preparations.
As the jury instructions explained, the seditious conspiracy charge did not require a successful plot, or even one that had any plausible chance of succeeding. The plans described by the indictment, including those leading up to January 6, were half-baked at best, and the defense argued that they were little more than bluster and fantasy. Although the jurors clearly did not buy that argument, the mixed verdicts make it hard to say exactly which narrative they accepted.
According to the Times, "the sedition convictions marked the first time in nearly 20 trials related to the Capitol attack that a jury had decided that the violence that erupted on Jan. 6, 2021, was the product of an organized conspiracy." That gloss does not seem consistent with the fact that Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy yet acquitted of the riot-related conspiracy charges.
Then again, Meggs was convicted of all three conspiracy charges, so maybe he was the real ringleader. But it's not clear how big that ring was. Counting the three defendants who pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy, five people were involved. Yet Harrelson, Watkins, and Caldwell were acquitted of that charge even though they participated in much of the talking and planning that was allegedly at the heart of the conspiracy.
In any case, it clearly goes too far to say that the verdicts mean the Capitol riot was "the product of an organized conspiracy." The Oath Keepers accounted for a tiny share of the rioters, most of whom do seem to have acted "more or less spontaneously." The group's tough talk and grandiose plans ultimately amounted to little more than a sideshow in a much broader spasm of vandalism and violence that was itself utterly futile, since it succeeded only in delaying the certification of Biden's victory until that night. When former President Jimmy Carter claimed the assault on the Capitol "almost succeeded in preventing the democratic transfer of power," he was giving blowhards like Rhodes way too much credit.
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I look forward to becoming part of Great Britain when we finally take responsibility for the seditious conspiracy that founded this country.
Hang Washington, Jefferson and Franklin. Oh, their dead?
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Convicted of plotting.
Thought crimes are now a thing.
With the help of the FBI and DoJ and CIs to boot.
These are called incohate crimes. But its not purely a 'thought' crime. Some step towards committing the crime must also be alleged and proved. Think of something like 'attempt.' The most obvious example of an incohate crime and is what is displayed in this story is conspiracy. Requires a criminal plan between two or more people + some substantial step to carry out the plan.
Without the substantial step, all the conspiracy elements would not be met. If they had all talked and plotted but didn't actually do anything they wouldn't of been charged. In this case, there was the obvious planning [to do what exactly?], the hyperbolic talk, plus the travel to DC from the various parts of the country all these people came from. There were the walkie talkies, quick reaction force with guns, etc... While possibly weak (as far as sedition), these idiots pretty much did this to themselves by leaving a paper trail a mile long via cell phone messaging apps.
Important to note that accomplishing the objective of the conspiracy is not an element the govt need prove. Just a plot, steps taken in preparation for carrying out, and some concrete actions in furtherance of the conspiracy.
I think in most cases you need to be careful about reading into split jury verdicts. The decision to convict on some counts and acquit on others can be made due to compromise, leniency, nullification, or a million other reasons. But it does not necessarily reveal the individual jurors' actual beliefs as to what happened.
The notion that the jurors had a well thought out plan for what charges they convicted and acquitted on is a speculation by outside observers who were not in the room. One may suppose that the prosecution's attempt to connect what happened to a comprehensive narrative of charges was not very well done, howevet.
It's a DC jury. They ruled for narrative, not fact or justice.
Jessica Watkins -
Turns out Jessica is an ex-Marine trannie, Stewart Rhodes shot his own eye out (thus the eyepatch) and his ex-wife calls him Elmer out of spite, and several of the others were full time drunks.
But Trump only gets the best people!
I'd post a photo of Biden's best people, but it's too horrifying for human eyes.
You mean this guy?
https://nypost.com/2022/11/28/non-binary-biden-nuclear-official-charged-with-stealing-womans-luggage-at-airport/
The terrible lying and coverup is much worse than the act itself. The dude didn't even check a bag, there was no reason for him to be there in the first place. Then he says something like "If I picked up the wrong bag it was a mistake -- but my clothes were inside." (WTF?)
Then it's "Oh I left the (not my clothes) at the hotel but kept the bag".........
what the holy fuck was that story? nice vetting.
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Just remember, it's not "their" fault. It's radical right wing election denying, climate denying, racist, fascist homophobes.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled asshole, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
We be,I’ve you Shreek, we believe you.
Amd you totally didn’t post kiddie porn here either.
Do you just mash keys without paying any attention to where your hand is on the keyboard, or what? Some of your posts seem fairly coherent, but others are just word salad.
I don’t always review my posts for typos. And my post makes total sense in context. Given that Shrike has provably posted hardcore child porn links on this website.
"Provably", in the sense of proof being an article of faith...
"Provably" as in "provably", TDS-addled shit.
I don't see how he could have actually shot his own eye out without also giving a .22LR a few circulations inside his skull, so I'd guess what actually happened is that a bullet fragment or fragment of concrete or something flew into his eye when the bullet hit a hard object.
Always wear protection, kids.
“Despite their relationship with Mr. McWhirter, federal prosecutors decided not to call him as a government witness at the trial of Mr. Rhodes and his four co-defendants, which is now unfolding in Federal District Court in Washington. The prosecution rested its case last week without calling other key cooperating witnesses, including three members of the Oath Keepers who pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy charges.
Mr. McWhirter, 40 and a former sheriff’s deputy in Montana, was expected to appear at the trial on Tuesday as a witness for Mr. Rhodes — an unusual move that suggests Mr. Rhodes’s lawyers believe he has information that could help their case.
But during an impromptu hearing on Tuesday morning, the lawyers said that Mr. McWhirter had been taken off a plane while traveling to Washington to testify after suffering a heart attack.
Because of his medical condition, the lawyers said, Mr. McWhirter was unable to appear on the witness stand on Tuesday. While the defense lawyers still want him to testify, it remained unclear when he might be able to do so.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/us/politics/oath-keepers-trial-january-6.html
Totally normal for a 40 year-old government informant to suffer a heart attack right before he is supposed to testify for defense
Maybe the courthouse had a vaccine mandate.
Oh snap
If they told you what would happen if you testified, you too might have a heart attack.
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Sullum, is the use of government CIs to produce the conspiracy if any interest to you?
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/us/politics/oath-keepers-trial-january-6.html
LOL Obviously not.
If you follow the link in the NYT article about a Trump supporter that was shot during a "violent confrontation", the Times neglected to mention that the Trump supporter was shot in the back while running away from two guys with guns.
"When former President Jimmy Carter claimed the assault on the Capitol "almost succeeded in preventing the democratic transfer of power," he was giving blowhards like Rhodes way too much credit."
Not really. The only thing that prevented the delay of the timely counting of the electoral votes, and certification of Joe Biden's election as the next president of the USA, was Vice President Pence's decision to refuse the Secret Service's "request" that he leave the Capitol and let them take him to a "safe place". According to Pence himself, he told the SS that he knew if he said "yes" he'd end up in a safe house in Wyoming and the certification process would not occur as the Constitution requires, creating an unprecedented crisis. No one has the slightest idea of what would have happened if that occurred. A majority of Republicans in the House voted against certification even with Pence presiding. Would they have staged another "Brooks Brothers riot" if Pelosi tried to ccontinue the process without Pence? Would the Capitol Police use force to disperse them? What if Trump declared a "national emergency" and, as commander in chief, started ordering army units to "secure" the Capitol? What if he started relieving every officer who refused to execute his commands? It was only Pence's actions that prevented the riot from accomplishing Trump's "minimal" goal of preventing Biden's certification.
How lucky it was for a specific group that the 'riot' canceled the presentation of election fuckery on national TV. How lucky it was that those specific people were in charge of security that day and still refuse to release the videos of what happened!
What is space aliens came and blew up the Capitol?
Hey now! You’re talking about some kind of dream world.
As several have noted above, the verdicts don't necessarily reflect any logical analysis, and probably don't. "Splitting the baby," even when that makes no sense whatsoever -- a/k/a throwing him a bone on some charges, or throwing the government a bone on others -- can happen without any coherence as to which charges were acquittals and which were convictions.
Jurors don't teach Logic 101 anywhere. They just do what they do.
D.c. juries are heavily biased. This should never have been tried in D.C. Most political cases should not be.
Juries are a type of committee. Committee deliberations over a range of issues are rarely likely to have an internal consistency, especially if the matters at hand are contentious.
it's not even fucking entrapment it's Build-a-Conspiracy Workshop lol
"" That gloss does not seem consistent with the fact that Rhodes was convicted of seditious conspiracy yet acquitted of the riot-related conspiracy charges.""
The plants from the FBI wasn't trying to build a riot conspiracy.
The whole concept isn't about rioting at the capitol. It was about tagging Trump as a leader of seditious conspiracies.
The FBI had plants with the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Witmer kidnapping. The media spent much time relating those plots to Trump. It was a FBI agent that faked DNS data to link Trump to a Russian bank for the sole purpose of trying to make us think Trump is colluding with the Russians. An FBI agent lied on a FISA warrant regarding Trump's campaign.
You call them "plants", but most FBI informants probably initially approach law enforcement, not the other way 'round.
The other main "FBI informant" in this case reportedly contacted law enforcement (twice, after they ignored him the first time) after chickening out on the unfolding conspiracy.
"You call them “plants”, but most FBI informants probably initially approach law enforcement, not the other way ’round."
TDS-addled shits are prone to make claims like this.
And never supporting them...
I think it's more of a sign of how confusing government makes criminal law these days. People can't figure what's illegal and what's not.
The word you are looking for Reason is he was "railroaded". But it has a purpose, to get Trump.
MSNBC’s Katyal: Oath Keepers’ Conviction ‘Increasing Chances’ Trump Prosecuted for January 6 Crimes
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Cool eyepatch.
Punished Rhodes, a man denied his audit.
This reminds me of Robert Heinlein's posting about Secretary Fall's having been convicted of accepting bribes that Doheny was acquitted of giving him.
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"...convicted of plotting to keep Donald Trump in office "by force."..."
Doesn't a crime have to be possible to commit for this sort of thing? I mean, perhaps he was also plotting to, oh, levitate the capitol building.
That is perhaps the silliest part of the whole thing. There was never any remote chance that these people were going to stop Biden becoming president, particularly not by force.
Maybe some people did plot to do that. But if they did, it was the dumbest, most useless plot ever.
Dumb useless people often wind up in jail.
When did they let you out?
Maybe he was really Magneto in disguise. Or at least Cookie Magneto.
“Seditious conspiracy” seems to be very selectively enforced.
And rather difficult to explain in objective terms.
Anyone familiar with what pudgy, one-eyed, old loudmouths who fraternize with white supremacists are likely to experience in prison these days?
Well, you’re an old, deranged, racist traitor. I would imagine your teeth would be knocked out and you would spend your time in prison being fingercuffs for one group or another.
No, but bigoted assholes like you probably don't do well.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
If I were you, Rev. Artie, I wouldn’t take my cape if you ever had to do time. The rest of the inmates would probably use it for your “blanket party,” then knot it into a dildo to prepare you for your ass to grow to the size of a garbage can.
Carry on, Klinger!
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Vivid, but likely accurate.
While all riots are bad, the January 6th in Washington, D. C. is over-hyped and is more of a political stunt orchestrated by opposition to Trump versus by supporters of Trump.
I say this not as a supporter of Trump, but also not an anti-Trumper in the deranged way many are. Personally I believe that both Trump and Biden are way to old and way to incompetent to be president.
When has preparing for and coordinating travel to Washington, D. C. ever been a crime. If this is a crime, then why haven't there been prosecutions of protests, just 4 years earlier when Trump won the presidency?
There clearly is a double standard at play where Biden enjoys a sycophantic media and Trump was hampered with an adversarial media. Many of the narratives that the corporate media spins are lies or half-truths. This is both against Trump and propping up Biden.
The corporate media has become a complete joke with no credibility. It is so obvious that no one actually believes them other than the completely brainwashed. Most people only go along with the narrative if it supports "their team".
And this does not support your team. So sad.
What I find interesting is the assumption that delaying the election certification by a few hours, or even a few days, would have led to anything but a delay in the election certification for a few hours or days.
A couple of times I have posted that when Trump was still prez he delayed the release of classified stuff related to the JFK killing even though enough time had passed to release it.
Point is there is obviously stuff related to what happened on 6 Jan that the govt has they don't want to let go of. Wonder if it will take more than 60 for it to be released.
I guess Trump's magical thinking (if I merely think about a document, it changes security status) didn't apply to *those* documents.
Fuck off and die, lying TDS-addled shit-pile.
I'm a Libertarian, hon... a pox on both their houses.
...but thanks for making it so easy to know who to place on Mute. Next time, try to disagree without being disagreeable.
"I’m a Libertarian, hon… a pox on both their houses."
Which doesn't seem to keep you from being a TDS-addled shit-pile. Next time, stuff your TDS up your ass; you got no more and no less than you deserve.
"I’m a Libertarian, hon... a pox on both their houses."
This does explain a lot.
Cap-"L" libertarians count with "R"s and "D"s as among the most partisan and those least capable of discernment regarding politicians' efforts and results, Brandyshit being the most obvious and obnoxious example, (something) squirrel doing his best, and this asshole trying hard to overtake. Note #3 taking the fig leaf claim of being a *LIBERTARIAN* as proof against TDS and some claim of the resulting idiocy as a moral, rather than idiotic, stance.
The facts are clear, regardless of R/D/L; the POTUS most friendly to cutting regulations, taxes and furthering freedoms for the last 100 year is Trump, hands down.
(Something) squirrel finally admitted that Silent Cal (1923-'29; OK 90-some years) was indeed the most libertarian prior to Trump; perhaps his TDS might be cured.
Brandyshit, Sullum, this asshole? Fat chance. Not a one of them has the least interest in actions, facts and results. They all hate Trump, and if Trump delivered a Constitution-pure government, they would, all of them, focus on some tweet they find offensive.
To all of you and others equally afflicted:
Eat shit and die a long painful death; you OWN droolin' Joe, assholes.
Where the USA is now.
A group insisting Politicians honor their Oath (Oath Keepers) are guilty of sedition because a group in DC who's "lawful authority" is whatever they please to-do instead of honoring the Supreme Law.
Which organization is *really* committing crimes of sedition?
At what point is it correct to say that politicians are guilty?
Any word on when Ray Epps will stand tri-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, couldn't finish the sentence.
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"CAPITOL RIOT"
That's spelled "PROTEST", Sullum, you TDS-addled pile of shit.