Foreign Workers Are Losing Their Tech Jobs. Will They Have To Leave the Country Too?
Thousands of tech workers are being laid off. That’s putting H-1B visa holders on tight timelines to find new work.

Mass layoffs have left dozens of major tech firms and startups hemorrhaging workers ahead of the holiday season, capping off a year of shrinkage at those companies. That leaves thousands of former employees rushing to find new work in a currently contracting industry—a daunting task for U.S. citizens and a predicament with potentially life-changing consequences for laid-off workers on H-1B visas.
The H-1B visa program is a temporary work pathway through which U.S. companies can employ highly skilled foreigners in "specialty occupations." Per the Department of Labor, the program is meant to serve employers who otherwise aren't able to "obtain needed business skills and abilities" from the American workforce. Visas are capped at 85,000 per year and are issued for three years, with the possibility of extensions. Once an H-1B worker has lost his job, he can only stay in the U.S. legally for 60 days unless he finds new work or reclassifies to a different visa.
Sam—who requested that Reason not use his real name, fearing retaliation—is staring down that deadline. Until Friday, he worked at Carvana, an online used car retailer. "I thought, 'OK, this is my break to enter the tech space,'" he says. "I uprooted my life…and moved to a city where I knew no one." Now, he calls the situation at the company "an unmitigated disaster."
Citing economic pressures, Carvana recently laid off 1,500 employees, amounting to 8 percent of its workforce. They're joined by over 40,000 other tech workers who have lost their jobs in November—"well over double the amount of any other month in 2022, according to Layoffs.fyi," writes Kenrick Cai for Forbes. Stripe, Salesforce, Meta, and Amazon have all announced widespread layoffs. Twitter, under new owner Elon Musk, has made waves for its very public staff-whittling, which has affected thousands.
It remains unclear how many H-1B workers are among those laid off, but these visa holders are known to comprise significant shares of many tech companies' workforces. Using U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services data, the National Foundation for American Policy estimates that roughly 8 percent of Twitter's 7,500 employees are on H-1B visas, while 4 to 5 percent (roughly 300 to 350) of Stripe's employees are. Bloomberg reports that "at least 350 immigrants" at just Meta and Twitter were affected by layoffs, according to information compiled by employees. Forbes notes that "thousands of foreign nationals could soon be forced to leave the United States."
With the shrinkage happening at so many major companies, laid-off workers face discouraging odds of securing new jobs in tech. Firms that once hired large shares of H-1B visa holders are now wary of expanding their staffs. "If you want to get into another tech company, who's really hiring at this point?" asks Sam. "Google's hiring very, very selectively. Amazon is in a freeze."
That's sent H-1B holders rushing for a diminished pool of available tech jobs, uniquely squeezed by harsh visa rules. Though H-1B workers ostensibly have 60 days to find a new job, Sam notes that "it's not really 60, because you take about 15 days to transfer your H-1B from your old employer to your new employer." Many H-1B visa holders have "no fallback option" beyond simply going home, he says.
It isn't uncommon for foreign workers to have been on H-1B visas for years or even decades due to extreme wait times to obtain green cards. This means they have legal status as long as they're employed but still lack certainty about their continued presence in the country. Indians face especially long wait times for permanent residency since one country's nationals can only make up 7 percent of the employment-based green cards issued in a given year. "While there are almost half a million Indian nationals in the queue, only about 10,000 green cards a year are available for them," notes Bloomberg. "A congressional report estimated that Indians filing in 2020 would have to wait as long as 195 years for a green card."
In addition to the long waits, H-1B holders can face difficulties regarding their legal status in the U.S. if they leave the country, thanks to pandemic-era delays at consulates and embassies. "Even right now, the wait time for getting an appointment at a U.S. embassy in India, it's about 200–250 days," says Sam. "I know people who lost their parents during COVID who couldn't leave the country because back then, the U.S. embassies were all shut." If they got stuck abroad, "there was no guarantee whether they would still be employed" by their American companies.
H-1B restrictions also end up barring foreign workers from more lucrative or creative job opportunities. The 60-day window for finding new employment can force them to take the first job available. Facing the prospect of self-deportation if they don't remain reliably employed, some migrants who may have excelled in a role at a riskier firm—like a startup—may settle for a less fitting position.
The net effect of these delays and difficulties is that many bright workers look to migrate elsewhere rather than negotiate the American system. Sam says his employer before Carvana offered to start his green card process. "I told them not to do it because I didn't see the point in doing so," he explains. "If I'm going to get a green card 25, 30 years down the line, then it doesn't even matter, right?"
There is "a lot of brain drain among H-1B workers who are considering alternative options, Canada being the most notable, but also the U.K., a lot of European countries also have a lot easier routes," Sam continues. Though salaries might not be as high as in the U.S., "a lot of us are OK to take a financial hit just for peace of mind."
Recent tech layoffs may affect only a small share of America's immigrant workforce, but they're a sign that much reform is needed to ensure that high-skilled workers continue to come to the United States. Reforms could also address discriminatory limits on certain immigrants. Immigration analysts like David J. Bier of the Cato Institute note that employment-based green card caps "serve no purpose because nearly all wait-listed, employer-sponsored immigrants are already in the United States working in temporary statuses." The EAGLE Act, bipartisan legislation introduced in the House and Senate, would eliminate the per-country cap on employment-based green cards that has exacerbated wait times for many immigrants.
Should Sam be unable to find a new job in the U.S. soon, he says he'll focus on Canada instead. Would that calculus be different if extreme backlogs and wait times weren't a factor?
"Absolutely," he says. "100 percent, I think I would have stayed here."
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An entire system that's based around a "need" for foreign workers to fill spaces Americans can't (or won't) do, doesn't have any provision for a major downturn in the economy?
Plenty of Americans will.
Absolutely.
But if you hire an American, who had to pay 100K for a degree to be "qualified" and who then has options to move to a different company if you treat him poorly, you don't have all the power in negotiations.
If you have someone on an H1B, they're not going to ask for more money or say no to excess overtime because losing their job means they have to move back to Bangalore. If 10% of your workforce is H1Bs, then ALL the techies better shut up, else they'll just replace your job with more
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Kinda showing the true nature of her demands of more H-1B visas, no?
Because she’s another raving sub normal leftist.
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So, at the moment there is an oversupply of workers in tech industries and this program's stated purpose is to alleviate an alleged undersupply. The problem is what?
Also, the personal anecdote is from someone whose previous employer offered to help him with the green card process and he refused because he thought it would take too long? I am not sure what to think of that.
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Musk appears to have applied a sanity test for those working at Twitter under H-1B visas - live with the new rules or go looking for a new tech job along with 40,000 others.
If you can handle the new work conditions your job looks to be safe.
I daresay that using the words "Musk" and "sanity" in the same sentence veers dangerously close to oxymoron territory.
Suru Murugesan, a Twitter engineer, set this up. When he said, on video, that Twitter employees were only working 4hrs/wk. Twitter overhired, and the managers didn't want to develop any new features (unless pressured, ex: Musk pressuring to put in an edit features).
And you know, it is hard to put in new features in a running platform. If the new feature crashes the platform, you'll have to work overtime and weekends. I think Twitter hired workers to lighten the load and to prevent conditions where people were working overtime. That's just plain lazy, and now the workforce paid for that.
Musk is a tough employer. But the layoffs were going to happen anyway. Instead of an easy transition, Twitter received the hard transition.
"I thought, 'OK, this is my break to enter the tech space,'"
Sounds like a highly skilled worker fully trained to perform a complex position no American could be found to fill.
I'm calling bullshit.
For the record, I spent 45 years in tech working with many H1-B holders.
They were good and bad, like all other kinds of workers. But in no case were they hired for a job no American could be found for; they were ALWAYS hired because they were cheap
Same. I've been seeing this over and again since the dot com boom. It's always because the attached strings make it so the H1B holder really doesn't have any negotiating power, always because they'll work for less rather than go back to where they came from.
Of course. This is part of why the tech sector makes such generous political donations. To push their phony bullshit and not have to pay market wages.
Foreign workers are desired for a couple of reason, none of them related to skill.
- Friends hire other friends, and deals make friends. You hire me, and maybe later I can pay that back.
- A foreign worker, stuck waiting for a Green Card, is not going to leave the job. Essentially, they are self-indentured.
We know from DOJ vs Facebook, 12/2020, that Facebook finds 30x more qualified local STEM/IT workers than it can hire. Facebook can lie all they want to the press and the public. But they could not lie to Federal investigators, without risking a Federal Obstruction of Justice charge.
So they finally told the truth.
Facebook does everything it can to avoid hiring local candidates. Especially highly skilled locals, because that will invalidate the application for a Green Card by a foreign worker, working at Facebook. Because an application is just the start, of a long indenturement, that can go on for decades for workers from India and China.
This will never change, the Green Card back log is permanent, because Big Tech actually likes it that way.
The only way to change this is to reform the H-1b and Green Card program together, using politicians that are not touched by campaign contributions.
Big Tech, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, they don't really have problems finding qualified STEM/IT workers. Everyone wants to quit the startup and go work for a stable big tech employer.
The companies that have problems finding workers are the startups. But startups have no political clout because they can't make the campaign contributions that Big Tech can. (Ex: the 100 million dollars that Zuckerberg gave the Democratic campaign).
Zuckerberg knows if the Green Card cue shrinks, the advantage that it gives them over foreign workers will go away. So he pays lip service to immigration groups, but he will NEVER demand that politicians reform the Green Card system.
Literally, Zuckerberg should be asking the Democrats, "Did you reform the Green Card system?". The answer as of right now is "No". And since that is the answer he should withdraw all campaign funding until it happens. But he will never do that, because he doesn't really want the Green Card cue to go away.
Or the h-1b cue to go away.
Further, the change to a salary based allocation of H-1b visas, will never happen. Such a change would filter out all the mundane applicants from the H-1b program (half the H-1b visas go to Offshore Outsourcing companies). But that was shelved by the Biden administration, I feel that was because all of Big Tech opposed the change. And they DID literally oppose it, in court.
Such a change would have cleared the H-1b backlog in just 2-years, by kicking the Offshore Outsourcing companies out of the program (since they pay the lowest salaries).
But startups that actually vet qualified candidates, would have had an easy time getting exceptional candidates, because they would have paid the highest salaries for them.
The nonsense that such a change would hurt non-profits, can easily be countered by putting a check-box on the H-1b application, are you a non-profit? If so, get to the head of the H-1b line.
But none of that will ever happen. Because all that Big Tech wants is an indentured servant, who can't leave the job.
We know that is a primary motivation of Big Tech. All the CEOs of Apple, Google, Intel risked jail time over it, in the Silicon Valley no Poaching scandal. In that Scandal, the CEOs pledged to deprive Tech workers their full 13th amendment right to leave their current employer, for any other employer.
Guys like Eric Schmidt hate the fact that workers have rights. They hate the 13th amendment, the very amendment that gave us our Freedom, and included Free Labor into the Free Market system. The very thing that drives the ability of workers to leave and create startups, the very engine that made Silicon Valley great. Guys like Eric Schmidt, Tim Cook, Bill Gates, and all the rest hate it.
And they are patently un-American. Literally, Eric Schmidt tried to buy citizenship in Cypress just to avoid the requirements of his U.S. Citizenship. How insane, that is guy Eric Schmidt is like the first guy they call upon to head Democratically funded and government programs, and he is literally willing to give up his citizenship and buy another.
We don't need people like these influencing our government, for the sake of their own profits. Such people would, dispense with modern capitalism (which includes completely free labor), for the sake of lining their own pocket and having commoditized, indentured, servants at their disposal.
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This happened to an Indian friend and his family. He was losing his job on H-1B status. He was employed for 5-6years and had been here long enough to get his Masters degree before that. He was still looking at 20+ years to get a green card, let alone become a citizen. He took a job in Canada, got the equivalent of a green card and he and his family are now citizens there.
Congress needs to get off its collective ass and fix this.
What do you expect them to do? America exists in a different dimension than Canada. Our Latino population alone is roughly double that of Canada’s entire population. And we have to deal with massive influx of migrants everyday. World’s police, world’s orphanage, world’s doctor – we play it all. We can hardly stop a railroad strike from crippling the economy, but you expect congress to save 85,000 foreign tech workers?
The democrats only want to quickly legalize indigent uneducated laborers with minimal skill sets. If they gave your friend a green card, tech companies would hav etc pay him like a normal American. Which is not what they’re laying congress to do for them.
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They'll have to leave if they can't find jobs or otherwise meet the requirement of their visa stay. It's what they agreed to.
I worked seasonal jobs, and one of them was actually at the USCIS. I helped process H1B visa applications. The temp workforce had great chemistry met every deadline and efficiency goals. But when it was over, it was over. The front office said there was a possibility for further employment, but nothing was guaranteed. All of us walked out on the last day without drama.
That was it. No one came to the sake of our cause and said "Give these people more work". Reason didn't object when Disney fired their American workers AND forced them to train their foreign replacement in order to collect their severance pay. Foreign workers should know Temp work visas do not guarantee citizenship, and are responsible for their actions.
If you're a white English teacher in Japan, you'd be saying "Sayonara" as soon as your visa expires and head back home. Because for all intents and purposes, foreigners cannot forge a life in that society. But an Indian in America has much more going for him, for a myriad of reason. It's easier to exist long term here without proper documentation. So some this is "America's fault". But they knew what they signed up for.
Hon, this is a *libertarian* publication. The entire bureaucratic infrastructure surrounding people who want to enter this country needs to be completely dismantled. The government has no business vetting people who want to come here and contribute.
If you don't have a border, you don't have a country, that's why. And the purpose of a country is whatever people (or the dictator) think it should be, because that is the way it really is, not because I like it.
Other countries have far stricter immigration rules. In India, for example, you have to make 12x the average yearly salary just to get a job there, if you are a foreign worker.
Keep in mind, there are 8 other workers in the world (that would happily enter the United States) for every worker in the United States. So let's say we didn't have immigration rules, what would happen?
Every town in the United States would be flooded with workers, there would be shanty towns everywhere. Where do we see that? We see that just outside of every big tech town in India, and it can be a big source of diseases and ill health.
Up from that, we have a national security interest to develop domestic talent (STEM or otherwise). And the reason is that other countries will get a dictator (or a one-party system) and come and invade us. It could have happened during WWII, except for our tech talents.
Now some of that talent, used during WWII, was foreign experts and geniuses. Einstein for example, working at Princeton, urging President Roosevelt to develop atomic weapons. Many of the workers on the Manhattan project were foreign workers.
How do you make sure you get the geniuses, and keep out the criminals, and mundane workers (we have plenty of). Well guess what, you have an immigration service and policies for immigration in place. Well that's the government.
Having said all that. We need to put the Green Card process into the hands of the workers, not the businesses. We do need to temporarily remove Green Card country limits. But also put into place changes that require companies to consider local candidates (that are better qualified) for jobs currently held by foreign workers. Facebook finds 30x more local STEM/IT workers than it can hire, better qualified than foreign workers at Facebook undergoing the Green Card process (by Facebook's admission to Federal Investigators, under threat of Federal Obstruction of Justice charge, should they lie or withhold information).
We need to enforce our borders, because our laws all end at the border. Everything just past the border is a treaty, and only enforced when foreign governments are willing to do so.
Having workers in the Green Card process, apply and fail an infinite number of times, should not be allowed. If a foreign worker fails to be certified on a 2nd try, they should take a 4 year time out, and learn some skill that the U.S. actually has a shortage of.
Further companies using the Green Card process, should be required to advertise green card perm job ads on every available free web service (up to 10). And they should be required to accept resumes from any legitimate source (ex: Email).
"Foreign Workers Are Losing Their Tech Jobs. Will They Have To Leave the Country Too?"
I hope so.
In DOJ vs Facebook (12/20). Facebook was indicted on 2600+ cases of discrimination against better qualified local STEM/IT applicants. While we need to reform the Green Card system. That reform has to include explicit provision that:
- Employers must consider the Emailed resumes of all local applicants
- Must advertise Green Card jobs on all freely offered websites (say up to 10).
- Green Card applicants that fail the test (the test being are their better qualified local applicants?) should not be able to retry the test in infinite number of times, 2x at most.
In this case, Facebook required local applicants to mail their resumes via the Post Office. The address to send them to, was an immigration attorney's office. Presumably so that the attorneys could find some cause to disqualify the applicant.
The resumes were never sent to the hiring managers involved in the Green Card application process. Because that would disqualify the Green Card applicants.
Facebook lied on Federal forms that it was making a good faith effort to find local applicants. Just lying on Federal forms carries a big prison sentence.
Facebook admitted, to Federal Investigators, that for every STEM/IT job ad it puts on to its website, it receives hundreds of resumes. Further, Facebook admitted (to Federal Investigators) that 30+ of these applicants (per openly advertise job add, of which there were thousands) are better qualified for the positions held by foreign Green Card applicants. But, Facebook never forwarded these Emailed resumes or applicants to the hiring managers involved in the Green Card process. Because that would invalidate the Green Card applications.
We know about this, and we can trust the indictment, because lying to a Federal Investigator carries 10 year prison sentence and a huge fine, should there be any lies told.
So we know, that Big Tech has never had any problems finding better qualified local STEM/IT/Programmers/Software-developers, Facebook finds 30x more better qualified local STEM/IT candidates than it can actually hire.
In fact, Facebook finds so many qualified local applicants, that Facebook has to protect their indentured (by the Green Card wait) workers from the local competition. Local competition, which by Facebook's own admission to Federal Investigators, is better qualified than Facebook's (U.S. based) foreign workforce.
Facebook refused the free offer of the San Francisco Chronicle to place the Green Card verification job ads onto the Chronicle's website. Facebook instead buried the ads in just 2 Sunday editions of the San Francisco Chronicle.
You know Facebook interviewed the 2 founders of Whatsapp, 4 years before they paid 19 billion dollars for their company. The fixation for an indentured foreign workforce, has cost Facebook tens of billions of dollars. Wouldn't it be just better, if instead, Facebook opened up all jobs for a free and fair competition.
Facebook had those 2 programmers in on interviews, but refused to hire them. Each one had 10+ years of Web and Security development experience. They used that experience to create a secure messaging app, Facebook didn't have. Facebook could have had it for a few hundred thousand, if they had hired these 2 guys. But instead, Facebook preferred foreign workers, with little to no experience, over better experienced local STEM/IT workers.
This is what happens when a CEO surrounds themselves with yes-men and no-vote shareholders, Mistake after Mistake, until the ship sinks and some other competitor takes all of your business (footsteps of TikTok).
Great. We needed a kibitzer on diet pills and a no-borders anarcho-nanist blabbering past each other. Other countries need borders strong enough to turn away US DEA goons and hidden persuaders so neighbors can repeal some of the economy-destroying sumptuary laws Hoover, Anslinger, Nixon, Reagan, Biden, Clinton and Bushpatch export. Those laws make criminals of honest people and wreck the economy. Both of these facts generate desperate, unskilled migrants fleeing Statesward.
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I am a physical chemist managing a group of ~ 100 chemists, and we routinely hire postdocs and permanent staff. For most positions that are even remotely mathematically intensive there are few if any American applicants, and typically those that do apply are not competitive when compared to their foreign born counterparts. We never hire foreign born workers out of a desire to control them or work them harder, but rather out of necessity due to the paucity of Americans that take the time to go into difficult STEM fields. Nativism will lead to the U.S. being crushed by China.
Then we better nuke China right away!
The US is already crushed...flooding it with people inimical to its way of life, such as Moslems, will only worsen the situation...
I agree - we cannot hire enough qualified engineers and programmers - this may be an opportunity though...
An agreement was reached between all parties involved and, once conditions in that agreement change, then whatever was agreed upon must follow; hence, if the alien workers' employment conditions change and they cannot find work within the previously agreed conditions, they must leave. It’s quite simple…
That's what a temporary work visa means.
Likewise, temporary protected status should also be only used for crises, yet people are here on it for a decade and then complain that they aren't getting citizenship.
But, as they say, there is nothing as permanent as a "temporary" government program.
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