Brickbat: Smart Idea

How did masked gunmen get into a Cleveland, Ohio, high school that was on lockdown? Administrators let them in. A school security officer had called 911 to report the gunmen when he saw them arrive and placed the school on lockdown. But two assistant principals let them into a school vestibule. In a statement, one of them, who wasn't identified, said, "I confirmed the interior doors were locked and instructed the four suspects to come to the vestibule because it was unsafe to be outside because I saw police officers." Police arrested three teens and confiscated two guns on arrival.

Comments

[Adans smith]

Once again proving the worth of a degree in education. At least the gunmen were wearing masks. That's a good thing now a days.

[Libertariantranslator]

And lockdowns! Lockdowns goood!

[m40195971]

I don’t see the problem. These APs tricked gunmen into a locked cage. Seems they did a clever thing.

The alternative was to let them be engaged in a shootout with police, or to shoot into windows from outside. Trapping them seems like the best option.

[Davedave]

Plus, it is clear there was no need for the police to shoot them, which we all know they would have done if the kids were still outside.

Adults in positions of responsibility have a duty of care towards children even when the children are misbehaving.

[Davy C]

I would not go so far as to say they had a *duty* to let masked gunmen into the vestibule.

[Davedave]

It's likely they did, if that did not put other children at risk. Of course, that is only true because police in the Land of the Free are completely out of control. The issue is not that children were let into a space to keep them safe, but that the people they were being kept safe from are police.

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[Don't look at me!]

I’m sure you two idiots would do the same thing if two gunmen were outside your house.

[Davy C]

Yeah, pretty much. So long as the interior doors aren't weaker than the exterior ones. This could be a big nothing of a brickbat.

[mad.casual]

This could be a big nothing of a brickbat.

^This. Without even seeing the building, I'm ~90% sure the inner doors were stronger than the outer doors. It doesn't seem like the brightest idea, but it also doesn't seem like the dumbest and, most importantly: zero casualties, 100% apprehension, so I don't really care if they dug a big hole in the floor and put a rug over it... flawless victory.

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[defaultdotxbe]

Because a trapped animal will never respond aggressively.

But the fact is they likely weren't trapped in a locked cage, they could have exited back out the exteriors doors when ever they wanted. Even in a lockdown situation I assume fire codes still require the doors open from the inside.

[Will Nonya]

What happens if a fire alarm is pulled during a lock down?

[mad.casual]

The school fills with water and everyone drowns.

[Vernon Depner]

Students are instructed to duck and cover.

[SQRLSY One]

What happens if an irresistible farce hits an unmitigatably mutilated object? And which IS the irresistible farce, and which IS the unmitigatably mutilated object, in this case?

That is for YOU, the jurors, to decide! I rest my brain case!

[mad.casual]

It also doesn’t make sense for the reason stated.

It’s too dangerous for these people to be outside, so I’ll let them into a tiny room with no hiding spaces and one exit where no gunman would think to go, just the other side of the front door.

[MatthewSlyfield]

And the APs were in the vestibule with the gunmen, creating the potential for a hostage situation. What could possibly go wrong?

[mad.casual]

Huh? They confirmed the doors were locked. Again, not sure of the specifics, but all the schools in my current district, it's two tiers of locked doors and you have to intercom to get in the outer doors and get approved/'buzzed' through both separately.

I agree with the discouraging of this as practice but, in this case, it worked flawlessly.

Maybe next time, go full Russian Rapid Response on them and pump some fentanyl derivative into the air lock and then once they're unconscious stop their metabolism permanently with a couple hundred grains of lead.

[Minadin]

The gunman at the school shooting in St. Louis shot through the locked vestibule doors to gain entry.

[mad.casual]

Did they let him in through the outer doors or are you making the point that unless you’re going to have Daedalus start designing public schools, the decision was mostly moot, worked, and shouldn’t be otherwise encouraged.

You do realize that in at least one district in OH, teachers and admins can be armed and the tactic executed in that context would be rightly recognized as a choke point or kill box, right?

[mad.casual]

Heh. [Googles, clicks links]:

Sep. 27, 2022: VPs allow multiple gunmen into school vestibule. 0 dead, 0 inured.
Oct. 24, 2022: Lone gunman shoots through locked doors. 2 dead, multiple injuries.

I agree that 1 barrier is better than 0. Regardless of our opinions one way or the other, reality doesn’t agree that 2 is always better than 1.

[Fist of Etiquette]

If school leadership cannot follow simple instruction why should their students?

[cgr2727]

Sounds like the plot from an episode of HBO’s Vice Principals. Danny McBride is an under-appreciated national treasure.

[Vernon Depner]

If you have children in public school, tell them that in the event of a lockdown, they are to get out of the building by any means necessary and run away from it.

[mad.casual]

Yup. Unless you’re a diplomat or share off-shore banking accounts with druglords.

Edit: In which case, I would assume you'd tell them to get out and go back to class at their private school.

[sarcasmic]

Won’t the cops shoot them for failure to obey?

edit: shoot at them. Cops aren't known for their accuracy.

[Vernon Depner]

In most cases there's plenty of time between when the lockdown starts and when the cops show up and start doing anything.

[Wizard4169]

And often plenty of time between when the cops show up and when they start doing anything.

[sarcasmic]

In a statement, one of them, who wasn't identified, said, "I confirmed the interior doors were locked and instructed the four suspects to come to the vestibule because it was unsafe to be outside because I saw police officers."

"Come inside where you'll be safe from the police officers."

[Vernon Depner]

Apprehending criminals is white supremacy.

[MWAocdoc]

It's sad that school officials felt it was unsafe for masked gunmen to be around law enforcement officers.

[Dillinger]

clever. first-read I thought the assistant principles were so unafraid of the scary masked gunmen they simply took them for students and told them to get inside for safety

[Utkonos]

They brought guns onto a school campus, clearly a no-no. On the other hand, they were responsible enough to wear masks. Clearly there are mitigating circumstances l.

[mad.casual]

"Me and my niggaz' goons gon' be ridin' with masks up."

How politely health conscious of them.

[Utkonos]

The Science (TM) is so overwhelmingly correct that it would be criminal to ignore its strictures! (Had to inject that talking point)

[Bob T]

It is incredible how poorly trained and educated our "Educators" are. As a former commander of a missile silo with multiple levels of security, the last thing you do is invite the perpetrators through your first level of security. One of the interview quotes says it all: "....because it was unsafe to be outside because I saw police officers". That interviewee was obviously indoctrinated to view the police officers as the greater threat. Logic, facts, data and common sense has been cast aside in favor wokeness, feelings and ideology. As long as this persists, we are doomed to more pain and heartbreak.

[Naime Bond]

They were not let into a vestibule. '....“As one of the witness statements indicates, the males entered a controlled, secured area that is specifically designed to prevent access to the rest of the building....' It worked perfectly. Police had been called. The perps were contained, did not get access, and were arrested.

[Davy C]

They were not let into a vestibule.

Oh really? The person letting them in seemed to think they were...

Another statement shows, “I confirmed the interior doors were locked and instructed the four suspects to come to the vestibule because it was unsafe to be outside because I saw police officers.”

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

It's not a lockdown if you're letting strangers in.

[Agammamon]

Why is the guy in the picture holding the gun all fucked up like that?

Are his hands cold or something?

[Libertariantranslator]

There are jobs waiting for those Administrators in Uvalde, Texas, if the Ohio media lynch them. Watch for new regulations adding Zyklon foggers to vestibule HVAC outlets.

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