Space Is an Opportunity To Rethink Property Rights
Here's what could happen when John Locke and Henry George go to the moon.

Displayed near a triceratops skull in a small gallery in Cambridge, England, you can find a bit of moon rock on sale for just under $40,000—or you could have found it for sale, if only you'd arrived sooner. A red "sold" sticker is attached to the label that identifies the rock as a "lunar sphere."
Never mind, you think—there's plenty more where that came from.
It's not as simple as that. That space rock represents a rare opportunity, similar to a vegetarian making a moral exception for roadkill. It wasn't deliberately extracted from the moon by someone claiming it for themself or planning to sell it to you. Something randomly bashed into the moon approximately 4.5 billion years ago, and a particular bit of moon debris got knocked loose and landed in the Sahara Desert. If you wanted to buy a piece of moon rock that's currently up there orbiting Earth, you'd have to break international law.
Except, surely, for the complication that international law only binds states. This points us to one of the most frustrating things about space law: It's all very debatable. Big players make big claims about rules' core features, with mutually exclusive implications.
Take the 1967 Outer Space Treaty (OST). Still the vanguard of space regulation but written at the height of the space race, the OST's core goal is peace. It commands that astronauts "shall be regarded as the envoys of mankind," that stationing weapons of mass destruction in space isn't permitted, and that "national appropriation" is also forbidden. Unlike more minor space agreements, such as the Moon Treaty, the OST binds all the key spacefaring nations and many others besides: 112 countries are currently party to it. But the situation is complicated by questions of interpretation.
Consider that ban on "appropriation." What exactly does the treaty forbid, and to whom does this apply? Some have tried to argue that the OST's focus on the national level leaves space open for individuals to stake claims—although it's almost universally accepted that a prohibition on individual appropriation is baked into the national prohibition. More convincingly, while some interpret the treaty as outlawing the appropriation of anything at all, others claim that its nonappropriation principle pertains only to the "physical domain," meaning "void space" and "celestial bodies." Under this interpretation, the OST shouldn't be assumed to prohibit the extraction, or even ownership, of resources found "on or in" such bodies. But the prohibition of land ownership tends to have an impact on the use of land resources.
There are other features of the treaty—not least a requirement of free, equal access to "all areas of celestial bodies"—that further complicate matters for anyone trying to stake claims in space. And the treaty's repercussions for "space resource utilization" came long before options like space mining seemed a serious possibility.
As economist Branko Milanović has pointed out, new technologies both create new needs and help us to satisfy those needs by letting us derive more from the resources around us. This also applies to wants: The vast opportunities of space ownership, newly possible, not only include serious financial rewards for potential owners and their direct and indirect beneficiaries; they also relate to valuable incentives for the responsible stewardship of space, scientific progress, space exploration, and much more. All this helps explain some recent attempts to push at the OST's limits. Take the Artemis Accords, which have 21 countries on board to date. These aim, in NASA's words, to facilitate "exploration, science, and commercial activities for all of humanity to enjoy." The launch of these legally nonbinding accords can be seen as an alternative to addressing the OST's frustrations head on: If you can't persuade all the parties to agree to a new treaty, or even to update the old treaty's text, then the only standard legal option left is to institute a sufficiently recognized norm. And the Artemis Accords seek, in their detractors' view at least, to set a norm that gives the U.S. some headway in the valuable matter of appropriation, not least thanks to the country's strong current lead in access to the moon.
This may all seem arcane, but it's relevant to far more than the prospect of offworld mining operations and the intrinsic value of learning more about the world up there. Space offers something that we might not realize we need: a chance to sort out how property rights should work, from the basics.
Property Rights Problems
Clear and secure property rights have led to vast improvements in the standards of human welfare. But they also come with a challenge that we might call the "justified acquisition problem."
This does not merely involve the difficulties inherent in determining that something has been justly acquired. It involves the fact that almost everything on Earth has been claimed by someone at some point, but most of these things will have also passed through complex chains of ownership. Many of these chains include dubious links.
In some cases, that dubiousness will stem from insufficient information. Human record-keeping is at best fallible and at worst absent entirely. But the problem here isn't just insufficient information. Some items of property have been the subject of moral or legal dispute; some have passed through the hands of thieves. And without the justified acquisition of a thing—including its initial acquisition—can any subsequent transfer of that thing be fully justified?
Now, maybe you're able to square away these problems. Maybe you believe, for instance, that without some kind of radical property amnesty, it would be impossible to right these wrongs. And maybe you also think—for reasons of feasibility, say—that such an amnesty is simply a step too far. Even though, as a firm believer in the deep wrong of rights violations, this doesn't sit easily with you.
Indeed, the more you care about property rights, the more this problem is likely to eat away at you. If you think property rights are crucial—and particularly if you hold the hardcore view that all property rights are absolute and inviolable—then you're going to have to come up with a pretty good story as to why your property rights matter when the rights of whomever it was down the dubious chain didn't.
This takes us back to what it is that determines justified acquisition in the first place. It's important to have a solid answer here, because private property by its nature is exclusionary: The same property rights that can be seriously valuable to those who hold them can be seriously costly to those who don't. My right to this piece of land entails your obligation to respect my ownership and behave accordingly. You can no longer roam freely over it whenever you want or pick the blackberries from its shrubland without my permission.
One well-known option, at least when dealing with something that has never belonged to anyone before, is the principle of "first come, first served": Whoever gets to something first has dibs on it. This idea seems intuitively powerful. One reason the British colonizers of Australia were so clearly acting immorally when they termed the country "terra nullius"—"nobody's land"—is that this ignored the claims of the lands' existing inhabitants, whom horrifically they wrote off as "uncivilized." The 1992 Mabo v. Queensland ruling famously found in favor of those aboriginals' descendants, making "terra nullius" null, and recognizing (to some extent) pre-colonial claims.
But while it was clearly wrong for the colonizers to forcibly override the aboriginals' prior claims to the land—an override that violently violated the aboriginals' rights in ways that went far beyond grabbing their land—"first come, first served" isn't the end of the story.
This is partly because the aboriginals' ownership rights surely did not derive solely from having been there first. The land had also become their home, their livelihood; it met their needs, and enabled them to provide for themselves and their families. These people were linked to that land in ways much more complex and rich than simply having been there before anyone else.
"First come, first served" is also insufficient because rights are rarely unconditional. The shape or content of most rights will change or even cease in certain situations. If you believe punishment can be justified, for instance—and particularly if you believe that imprisonment can be justified—then you believe the right to freedom is conditional on good behavior. And as John Locke told us, while it seems wrong to prevent people from realizing their right to acquire property, it also seems wrong if the person who gets to something first precludes other people from ever being able to own such property for themselves. It also seems wrong if existing owners' wasted surplus is no longer fair game for other people who urgently need it.
A Model for Space Property Rights
This is where space comes back in: a real-world thought experiment on which principled thinking can be applied from scratch. What if we could stop celestial bodies from becoming the exclusive playgrounds of authoritarian leaders who can free ride on others' compliance with international law—or of tech bros who dominate access to the earthly resources needed to get off the ground?
Of course, if it weren't for those tech bros spending their fortunes pursuing space dreams and taking on the risks of space progress, we'd still be in the days when space exploration was a stagnant government monopoly. But does that mean they should get to claim space in perpetuity, simply because the rest of us can't compete at the moment? Yes, space is likely infinite. But until human beings learn how to travel as far as we want in practically no time at all, space land—and particularly the nearby space land that is generally most desirable in relation to its use value—is scarce.
What if we could solve the justified acquisition problem once and for all? What if space offered humanity an unrivaled, one-off, blank-slate chance to try out classical liberal ideals? Even if we can never fix the problems of the dubious chain on Earth, here's a fresh chance to get it right from the start. We need to set in place a morally justified space property rights regime that serves all of humanity. If we don't, a small set of billionaires and authoritarian leaders will likely set the rules of the game for centuries to come.
Of course, we shouldn't stop billionaires exploring space just because everyone else can't do so yet. Neither should we cut off our noses to spite our faces by preventing them from owning things in space: the knock-on benefits could be vast. But we must find a way to ensure initial ownerships aren't set in stone in an anti-competitive way that precludes the opportunities of everyone currently lacking the resources to get some skin in the space game. Surely it would've been wrong for the USSR to gain perpetual ownership of the moon simply because it landed a spacecraft there first. And surely the first person to arrive on Mars—or the country or company they represent—shouldn't get to control everyone else's access to the planet.
Here's one alternative to consider: a conditional temporary-ownership system that would enable individuals to gain property rights over plots of moonland in a market system. As I describe in a recent paper for the Adam Smith Institute, individuals could compete against each other for moonland, with basic competition consisting in the paying of "rent" for plots. The size of the plots, and the rate of "rent," would vary depending on supply and demand. Of course, it wouldn't technically be rent, since nobody legally owns the moon, and it seems best to think of it as morally "unheld," too. But the core idea is that payments are made into a fund that generally serves to enable an increasing number of individuals to compete for plots—through investment in space opportunities across Earth—which seems like a neat market mechanism.
Thanks to the inspiration of Henry George—who argued that individuals should be able to accrue economic value from what they produce, but that natural resources should be seen as a shared good—successful competitors would own in full the profit they made from the use of their moonland. And they could use this land for any morally justifiable purpose—although certain conditions apply. Following the insight of John Locke, these conditions relate particularly to the moral concerns of property spoilage and urgent human need. In recognition of this conditionality, various partial "rent" rebates would come into play.
Now, the administration of the fund and many details pertaining to its workings would need to be determined by its potential users, not least in order to confer legitimacy. It also seems most likely, for practical reasons, that the plots of moonland for which individuals would compete would have been initially acquired by, or assigned to, particular nations. But let's imagine that the directors of a company called Moon Maneuvers wanted to acquire some moonland to provide adventure holidays. If there was a piece of land available at a price they wanted to pay (taking into account the market pricing of moonland, and the potential rebates available), then they could temporarily acquire it. The money paid would go into the fund, where it would be used to increase competition for access to plots—through, for example, support for space programs and science education. And if rebates hadn't been applied to the "rent" paid, because Moon Maneuvers' use of the moonland wouldn't meet the conditions of "spoilage" and "urgent need"—through, for example, beneficial impact on food cultivation—then the extra paid would enable these conditions to be met through the fund's support for relevant causes.
The length of time Moon Maneuvers' ownership lasted—before they would have to compete against others to retain their position—would, again, depend on the market, on their use of the land, and on details determined by the system's users. But what is crucial is that the mechanism works to increase the number of individuals who are able to compete to actualize their equally held potential right to space land. This is in recognition of the way in which it seems wrong (and a massive missed opportunity) to prevent those few individuals who currently have the capacity to acquire such land from realizing their right to do so. But it also seems wrong if their doing so precludes other people from ever being able to do so themselves.
This then, alongside the system's temporary nature, addresses the "justified acquisition problem." My approach is certainly not the only way forward. But if we—as people who care about freedom, rights, and property—don't get ahead of the game, then we'll regret it. It's not just that most of us will miss out on much of the vast opportunity of space if "first come, first served" is allowed to win. We'll also lose an unrivaled opportunity to strengthen the fundaments of freedom-focused thinking, forever.
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Sorry, but I hate this. Who owns any of the land? “We”, the collective. So everyone must rent the land from “we” to use it, and nobody truly owns it. “We” turns into the state, just like on earth, and now you have state ownership of the moon and everyone has to rent the land from the state. Then “rent” will turn into taxes. Congratulations, you’ve created a communist moon where everyone lives on the state’s land and taxes are extracted from them for the privilege.
First come first served is better. If some billionaires want to go stake out land on the moon or Mars that’s fine. If someone wants a chunk of moon or Mars they can buy it from the billionaire. Maybe some rights enforcement agencies and private arbitrators will arise and enforce these property rights. Now we have an anarcho-capitalist society on the moon or Mars.
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Property Rights Problems
Fuck you Reason. Fuck this “We won’t be white colonizers of the moon.” bullshit. No one lives there. No one owns it. Property rights have worked and been honed for thousands of years. Somebody someday might tweak them for the better, but they’ll be the ones actually on the moon. Not striving to hold people back from owning their own little part of the moon before they even get there.
You have become the luddite, pseudo-religious conservative boogeymen you despise.
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“First come, first served” certainly makes sense for the Moon, The Asteroid Belt, and all the Planets and Dwarf-Planets in the Solar System. Ditto with comets if we could capture them and tap their vast water supplies.
I certainly don’t begrudge the people who get there first because their profits would depend solely upon their ability to find and develop a value that others are willing to buy. If they can’t do that, then their interplanetary grub stake is an albatross around the neck and will end up sold to someone who can make better use of it
When or if we encounter other sapient beings, however, any aquisitions legitimate by libertarian standards should solely be by voluntary trade with our newfound neighbors. Otherwise, it really would be Manifest Destiny 2.0 and we’re just bringing all of Earth’s tyranny and injustice with us.
Buy maybe they'll sell us Phobos for 22 dollars worth of fidget spinners....
First come first served works fine for me too, with one caveat: you have to be able to control your property. The first person to land on Mars can't claim the entire thing, any more than Columbus could claim an entire island or continent.
If you buy a house, then move 2000 miles away and do nothing to maintain it or to discourage trespassers, far as I'm concerned, you have abandoned it, lost control of it, ceased to own it.
If you buy a 10,000 acre ranch and don't fence it in or maintain the fences, how can you claim to own it? If you let cattle loose with no brands and they wander all over, do you really own them?
I came up with my own version of "self-ownership" before I'd heard that term. I call it self-control: the right, and duty, to control self and property, regardless of harm to self or the distaste of others. That balanced right and duty is vital. Accountability and responsibility must go hand in hand. If you are responsible but not accountable, you are a dictator. If you are accountable but not responsible, you are a scapegoat just waiting to be exploited. Thus the right to own property comes with the duty to control that same property.
Agreed. If you don't retain practical control over it, you don't really own it regardless of whatever legal fictions you want to assert.
The general libertarian idea has been "Homesteading" - taking raw nature and improving it with your labor. Fencing a property is a good litmus because that takes time and materials and ultimately labor.
The way I see this operating in the future is an expedition will be mounted by people who want to claim a spot on mars or the moon or whatever. This expedition will have to be cooperative with the people in that expedition agreeing on rules of conduct, much like an HOA. Those groups will then claim a plot of land and work towards improving it.
It's the tragedy of the commons, writ large. Very large.
It's like people study history just to pass the test, and don't actually learn history.
Never mind the moon or Mars. The real value will be in the resource rich asteroids (https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiecartereurope/2020/07/07/nasa-teases-psyche-a-robot-to-explore-an-asteroid-worth-more-than-our-global-economy/).
How will your vision of “rental” apply to those? There will be no incentive to harvest those riches if they are already “owned” by 8,000,000,000 people.
My questions for a while have been:. If there’s Gold, Silver, and Platinum in them thar planets and asteroids, what would this do to them as an investment or as a standard of currency. Would Libertarians have to pick an even rarer precious Metal for a currency standard? Maybe become “Isotope-Buggers” instead of “Gold-Buggers”?
Scientists have found that it rains diamonds on Neptune because of the intense gravitational pull on Carbon in the atmosphere. If we could harvest just a fraction of that, would The Cape of Good Hope Diamond be no different than a over-sized Cracker Jack box surprise? Would diamonds become a building material and jewelers put down their loups and pick up a jack-hammer? Would the “one-month’s salary” grift of golddiggers be gone forever? (Oh! Happy Day!)
The thoughts that occur about space exploration are as infinite as space itself!
It happened with aluminum. As I understand it, aluminum smelting requires electricity to break bonds efficiently, which is why it was so expensive before.
I won't be surprised if table top accelerators make it feasible and economical to manufacture gold and platinum at home.
Rare metals would become sort of like cryptocurrency -- there's an infinite supply. Which means the numerator doesn't matter.
“Would Libertarians have to pick an even rarer precious Metal for a currency standard?”
A currency must remain tethered to productivity. People often say gold’s value as a currency is its “Scarcity”. This isn’t actually true. It isn’t scarcity but the fact that a miner must make tradeoffs between effective uses of excess productivity. If I have a bunch of capital, I can spend it on earning money, or “making” money by mining/processing/minting gold. That tended to keep supply of gold well connected to the economy. A nation wouldn’t go through the trouble of making gold if its resources could be better spent buying the gold in return for other services.
There isn’t a gold nugget floating in space, which will be freely accessible by everyone. Someone needs to fly to it, mine it, process it, and then transport it to where it is needed. And in a universe where one must take everything with them- transporting a heavy metal like gold will have real tradeoffs. The value of gold as a currency will depend on how easily someone can do all those things. Would you take a “Digital Gold Certificate” if taking delivery on that gold would mean traveling across the solar system to retrieve it?
In frontier america, Whisky was used as a currency. It was the perfect embodiment of excess productivity, because that is EXACTLY what it was. If as a farmer, you had excess grain, you would ferment and distill it into whiskey. It was durable, divisible, fungible, etc etc and it was a good representation of excess productivity (which made it scarce).
Very likely, a future space currency will likewise embody some excess productivity. A “backed currency” would probably be based on volatiles like hydrogen and oxygen. You need to carry them with you anyways. If you have spare energy in your ship/base, you can split water to make it. And mining water will likely be a major endeavor regardless.
As an interesting aside, consider that Bitcoin is basically an example of excess productivity being locked in a currency. When you have spare capital, you can spend it to convert electricity to currency just as a miner spends capital to convert labor to gold or a farmer converts spare crops to whiskey. Bitcoin isn’t a perfect analog because its currency supply model has a hard cap, but it is noteworthy that mining new bitcoin requires similar productivity tradeoffs- do I spend my money providing some service to people, or do I spend it buying electricity and hardware and converting that to currency? This tradeoff is what keeps a currency scarce.
Hmmm....That does make perfect sense!
The other example that comes to mind is that the Romans used Salt to pay Roman Centurions. The Romans acquired the excess productivity of slave labor to mine Salt as they made more conquests, Salt was useful to season and preserve food, combined with being durable when dry, divisible, fungible, and scarce because mining was much more dangerous in pre-modern times.
Thank you for pointing out that it takes more than scarcity to make a currency. Much obliged for the insight!
I'm still pretty skeptical of Bitcoin, probably because that amount of electricity isn't visible or (safely) tangible. 🙂 But as Rohrshach said: "~Must investigate further...~"
And come to think of it, Gold might acquire even more value in space travel even as we discover more Gold and go out further in space. Going such long distances will require a trapline of satellites for relaying voice, video, and Internet communications, much like the telegraph lines and Pony Express routes served for communication in The Old West.
Gold is a superconductor used in circuits and chips in electronics right now, including computers, servers, Internet infrastructure, and satellites, and will be even more necessary as man ventures out further in the Natural Universe.
Space currency could have multiple standards in multiple necessary Elements and products, including the ones you mentioned, and will actually be more resilient than Earth's single-standard precious Metal currency or fiat paper/Ones-and-Zeros currency! Space currency will take an adjustment in Accounting and a new Galactic Cash Register, but nothing insurmountable and it'll save a lot of embarrassment at checkouts!
Thank you again for the insight and for stirring some great thoughts on money and space technology!
The only true thing Richard Nixon ever said was about space travel:
"The sky is no longer the limit!"
"Thank you for pointing out that it takes more than scarcity to make a currency."
Then you misunderstood me. I didn't say it takes more than scarcity. I am saying that people mistake "Tethered to productivity" for "Scarcity".
Generally speaking, If producing currency requires a tradeoff, then it will be kept stable. If it costs me 100 hours of labor to produce a currency, I will stop "minting" that currency sometime around the point that it is worth less than 100 hours of my labor.
It is this tension between productivity and currency production that keeps a currency stable. The currency supply only expands when there is enough productivity to justify it- that is when there is enough spare productivity to "waste" on currency. And if productivity becomes scarce, relative to the currency, then it is better for me to hold onto that productivity, rather than produce currency.
"will be even more necessary as man ventures out further in the Natural Universe."
It is unfortunate that people see a currency's value as being dependent on its usefulness in other realms. This is not really a great thing for currency. Sure, you have the notion that, "Even if no one wants to spend gold, I can at least trade it to someone who wants to use gold for other reasons". That has SOME value in providing trust for the currency. But it comes with baggage- that currency-users and gold-users are in competition for gold. That has a distortionary effect on the currency, and actually harms price stability over the long run.
I didn't mistake "tethered to productivity" for 'scarcity," so we are not at odds.
LOL Libertarians are clowns.
Like Monarchists, Theocrats, Fabians, Keyseians, Ham-And-Eggers, Social Democrats, Socialists, Fascists, Phalangists, Nazis, and Leninist/Trotskyite/Stalinist/Maoist/Pol Pot-Head/Kim Holy Trinity Communists have done such a bang-up job in the entire history of this mud-ball in infinite space?
Can someone enlighten me about Georgist land taxes? As I understand it, they are for the bare land itself, none of the improvements. Supposedly this encourages development, because you get less of everything you tax. This seems to mean you'd have the same tax in Alaska and West Texas as in Manhattan, which is pretty silly. Even if you have separate local, state, and federal taxes, that still means that every acre in New York City has the same local tax.
There are 2 billion acres in the US. The feds spent $4T pre-covid; that's $2000/acre for the feds and around the same for local and state taxes combined, if all other federal taxes were abolished. Most of the west would be unpopulated because no one's going to pay $4000 in taxes for pasture or desert or mountains.
How does Georgism get around this? It is easy to say this is a good way to discourage big government, but it isn't; government would just add new taxes, like the 1913 income tax amendment.
See my objections on the comments here. You make an excellent point that taxes discourage the things taxed. (Either that, or the tax is figured into the cost of business and falls on the end-user consumer, which also ties in with my objection to the "Single Tax.)
That's basically it.
It does have an unfortunate side effect - your land can become more valuable separate from your efforts to improve it.
Imagine you live in a ruralish area. Land is cheap - low taxes. Then someone builds a railroad and stations out there. Now the area you're in is easily accessible to city amenities and so there's more people who want to live there, bidding up the price of land. Now the underlying value of your land has increased - increasing your tax. Without you lifting a finger and even if you, yourself, find the value of your land (to you) decreasing because of the infrastructure improvements.
Then you sell it to someone else and get taxed on the capital gain.
The tax is a land value tax not an acreage tax. It can be difficult to assess the value directly because most sales include both the land and improvements. But if the improvements have been fully depreciated, then the market price is actually the value of the land. So basically - land value = market price minus undepreciated improvement. Obviously rural land has lower value and that is reflected in lower market price per acre.
An LVT hugely incentivized development (development doesn't increase LVT but presumably increases ability to pay that tax) and reduces speculation.
The way William f Buckley (who approved of the Georgist idea) was:
Imagine two blocks of land right next to each other with all the same general improvements and infrastructure nearby. One has a skyscraper built on it. The other has a parking lot. They have roughly the same land value but wildly different property taxes.
Here's what could happen when John Locke and Henry George go to the moon.
Brokeback Space Mountain? 😉
Seriously, I think John Locke would be throwing Henry George in the airlock in very short order. 🙂
Henry George's "Single Tax," if ever implemented, would in fact be a tax on every single thing on Earth, since everything we as humans use ultimately comes from the Earth. And if ever implemented on the Moon, asteroids, or other Planets, it would be a tax on everything used there.
Also, if all natural resources are held in common under Henry George's scheme, wouldn't that result in "The Tragedy of the Commons" and the very resource spoilage that Henry Georgists want to avoid?
For this here Libertarian, a "Single Tax" is one too many! Miixing of thought and labor with resources and voluntary government funding FTW!
You seem to be confusing the basic right to property with various schemes to manage conflicts.
At its core, the right to property is only supported by the ability to use violence to keep your property from those who wish to take it. Those schemes exist to minimize the violence associated with property.
If no one wishes to take it there is no need for violence - and thus no need for *any* property scheme.
If someone is sufficiently determined, no property scheme is sufficient to stop them - they'll have to be shot no matter what property management scheme you subscribe to.
Also - no one is really gonna live on Mars or the Moon.
Once you're in earth orbit you are, by deltaV needs, halfway to *anywhere* - including other stars. Why in the heck would you climb back down into a deep gravity well, subject to *weather*? You're living in a spaceship, darn near infinitely scalable in size, where you can live in a literal Eden if you choose (and mass ratios permitting).
You're not wrong. While Elon has a better plan for the rocket technology and business, Bezos' long term ideas are smarter. Luckily, once SpaceX has opened the door, no one has to follow Elon, just rent space on his coach for your own ideas. Or, if he's wasting all his capacity on crawling back down another gravity, well build your own.
The only major reason to be on a planet is because it is easier to live there.
Cosmic Radiation is a killer. It will give people cancer, cause birth defects and generally murder them absent some major advances in medicine. Blocking Cosmic Radiation is a question of mass. You need lots of mass to block cosmic rays- I believe Earth's atmosphere represents like 13 feet of concrete in space.
Lack of gravity is also likely to be a problem. It is not clear that a baby can viably grow in the womb absent natural earth gravity. Nor is it clear that a baby can viably grow in simulated (centrifugal) gravity.
So ultimately this is all about tradeoffs. A spaceship that economically travels between planets cannot carry the mass necessary to shield its crew long term. So they will not be a place of long term living.
And then we get to "Space Stations" vs "Planetary Bases". Again this is a game of tradeoffs. Space stations have Delta V advantages, and they have the advantage (potentially) of giving 100% centrifugal earth gravity. But, can they do all this AND provide the shielding necessary to protect humans from cosmic radiation? Spinning a giant donut with the equivalent of 13 feet of concrete on its hull is no simple engineering task. But digging out a lava tube on Mars or the center of an asteroid might be worth the tradeoffs in Delta V and gravity.
Note I generally agree with you that most of space commerce will be in transfer orbits and lagrange points for the reasons you say. But as I researched this and realized you can't just mine out asteroids and spin them (they will fly apart), I found that it isn't clear cut that staying in space is always the best plan for us squishy, fragile monkeys.
To reinforce your point, I think you've vastly understated the biology issues. It's not even clear that the Moon and Mars would support a 70 yr. lifespan for a 30-yr.-old Terran, let alone a 20-yr.-old or 60-yr.-old Terran and there's plenty of evidence to suggest the opposite. Which would mean even before you get to the point of figuring out whether the embryos have to stay in the gravity field until puberty or just shy of puberty, you've got to have a fresh supply of adults rotating shifts in and out of the (lack of) gravity field (or not) for at least a couple of generations.
As far as just plunking humans into a zero-G environment. I predict bones too weak to functionally support the diaphragm and circulatory action too weak to prevent strokes within the second generation, if not the first. Literally no one is going to live there any sooner than on Mars or the Moon and the idea that they are is retarded.
I am not a fan of zero g (or even lunar or Martian g) for living environment. The biology issues as you point out are daunting without bioengineering ourselves into a new species entirely. But spinning up a Standord Torus, while complex, is a better idea. An O'neill habitat would be even better, but you have to crawl before you marathon.
Again, I want to point out that you cannot hand wave away a certain set of technical limitations (engineering) while being hyper strict about other limitations (biology in low g). Every one of the space-living alternatives has “Deal Killer” problems that need to be solved and nobody knows which one will be solved first.
Take O’Neill Cylinders for an example- as theorized, they had an atmosphere of roughly 30% that of sea level earth. Why? Because much more would be too much mass for the hull of the cylinder to handle. And the O’Neill Cylinders were theorized before we realized just how much shielding you need for long term protection from cosmic radiation. It is very questionable whether there is a technical solution that allows billions of tons of shielding and the people and atmosphere inside it to be spun without flying apart.
I hate to harp on it, but Cosmic Radiation is no joke. A European probe sent to Mars brought data that indicates 12 months in space in a standard space ship would expose them to 60% of the maximum lifetime radiation dose for a human. At 100%, your chances of cancer sky-rocket.
So we kind of have a tri-fecta of variables to balance here: Radiation Shielding: Without this, you get cancer and die in 5ish years. Gravity: Without this, you probably die in 20 years. Delta-V-Debt: With too much debt, you aren’t economical and your colony starves to death.
It is not clear that we can build a space station that shields enough cosmic radiation AND can be spun fast enough to provide superior gravity without blowing apart. And, by the way, the delta-v necessary to spin up and station-keep such a massive object is also enormous, and will ultimately factor into the whole cost-benefit equation.
The only of those three engineering problems we have good line of site to is Delta-V debt (thanks elon). So I can see a couple possibilities here:
1) Some magic technology for biology or engineering takes one of these variables off the table 2) We have to actually do some hybrid solution- live underground for long periods of time, but returning to orbital stations or earth frequently to get a gravity fix. Who’d of thunk that spacefaring humans might ultimately resemble salmon returning to their spawn points to reproduce and refresh? 3) An all underground solution resembling a modified centrifuge underground or in a crater, where the moon/mars is your mass.
What if humans had bodies like Deadpool's that ate up cancer cells as fast as they could metastasize? Could this make space travel through Cosmic Rays easier? Would we have a change of aesthetics too? Deadpool was decidedly not sexy, looking like "an avocado that fucked a topo map of Utah." 🙂
What if we could hollow out asteroids and turn them into spaceships to give humans that "13 feet of concrete" necessary for Earth-like shielding from Cosmic Rays?
Admittedly, I'm throwing spaghetti in Zero-Gs to see if it even reaches the wall, much less sticks.
"What if humans had bodies like Deadpool’s"
Please see: "1) Some magic technology for biology or engineering takes one of these variables off the table"
"What if we could hollow out asteroids and turn them into spaceships to give humans that “13 feet of concrete” necessary for Earth-like shielding from Cosmic Rays?"
Please see: "A spaceship that economically travels between planets cannot carry the mass necessary to shield its crew long term."
Whatever your vessel- asteroid/ship/etc- the mass necessary to shield a crew for years is likely to be prohibitive to move around, at reasonable enough speeds to be useful. And if you could get enough fuel and propellant to move it at reasonable speeds, it is unlikely to be economical.
Again, I'm not saying any of these things are IMPOSSIBLE. Just that there are going to be tradeoffs.
Low gravity is a human killer, as far as we know.
Cosmic radiation is a human killer, as far as we know.
Delta-V Debt is an engineering problem, that is getting better.
While it MAY be true that we can engineer an orbital station capable of spinning with enough shielding without disintegrating, it is not clear that this engineering endeavor will be "cheaper" than just finding a deep crater on the Moon and building a centrifuge habitat there.
Its a killer on every single other planet except for Venus too - you're going to live underground everywhere. So why not just coat your spaceship with asteroid rock instead?
Every other planet has lower gravity than earth. The closest is Mars at 1/3 and Venus at 90%. You can't change the gravity of a planet but you can make the felt gravity of your spaceship anything you want.
1. You're not traveling between the planets. Why would you? The planets are where the hicks live.
2. You need to transfer resources - you send the resources. You don't move your ship to them.
3. Travel anywhere is merely a matter of how long you want to take. A mm/s2 acceleration will still get you to Pluto - its just a matter of how long. And if your spaceship is a massive floating garden of Eden you're not in a hurry.
Well, actually it is a simple task. And the only difference between 'space station' and 'spaceship' is a lack of drive.
And there are actually other ways to protect against radiation other than sheer mass (that's the cheapest and least power consuming one). Electric and magnetic fields will deflect charged particles very well, it doesn't take much low-Z material to absorb neutrons.
" So why not just coat your spaceship with asteroid rock instead?"
Right, you can...at the cost of Delta-V. Remember, the reason your "spaceship habitat" was superior to a "mars base" was that being atop a gravity well saves Delta-V. But now you've multiplied the mass of your ship by one or two orders of magnitude (13 ft of asteroid rock is heavy). Is your spaceship habitat still superior?
Again, I am not endorsing one view over the next. It may be that even after adding the mass of shielding, and the mass necessary to structurally support spinning that mass for simulated gravity- even after that, the equation still means it is more economical to stay in space. My only point is that it isn't straight forward. It may be that re-usable planetary lift capabilities make it more cost effective to live underground in lunar/martian centrifuges than in orbital bases or spaceship habitats.
"Well, actually it is a simple task. And the only difference between ‘space station’ and ‘spaceship’ is a lack of drive."
Your hand waving comes down to basically this- the savings in delta-v getting off (say) the moon will always outweigh the cost to engineer and spin a giant space station. That is not a proven hypothesis. There is no proof that your "eden" that protects people from cosmic radiation and low gravity can be produced, let alone produced more cheaply than (say) a lunar base that pays a small cost in dV to gain the benefits of a massive planetoid.
"And there are actually other ways to protect against radiation other than sheer mass...Electric and magnetic fields will deflect charged particles very well, it doesn’t take much low-Z material to absorb neutrons."
Meh, E=mc^2. If you have an energy field, it needs energy. And that energy comes somehow, some way from mass. I welcome you to do the math and figure out just how much energy you will need to produce protection within an order of magnitude of the level of protection afforded by 60 miles of Earth Atmosphere and its magnetic field. While you don't have a whole planet to protect, you are unlikely to fund that budget with solar panels.
So your energy is going to come from some other source- planetary lasers that make you dependent on all those planet-bound hicks? Fission reactors that produce (uh oh) even more radiation that you have to shield against?
Go look at a realistic mock-up of a space ship (a la 2001) and you see a nuclear core positioned at the back of a ship, with the crew module way up front. Why? Because completely shielding that reactor requires TOO MUCH MASS. So they put a tiny shield in front of the reactor, and then move the crew compartment as far forward as they can, to hide in its shadow. Two such ships would have to dock nose-on-nose after approaching from miles away to avoid irradiating the other ships' crews!
Consider that- our most energy dense form of propulsion (nuclear) and fully shielding it would take too much mass for the ship to be practical.
Again, it is possible that we invent unicorn fusion or some other super energy-dense production that allows us to power energy shields. But then it is also possible that we put a space-ladder in orbit around the moon/mars making the delta-v debt small enough that your ship is still less economical. It's all tradeoffs, and assuming one is naturally better than the other right now is probably a mistake.
Why in the heck would you climb back down into a deep gravity well, subject to *weather*?
You mean aside from the fact that it's so easy to live subject to weather that billions do it, today?
You do realize that gravity isn't the only force acting on bodies in space, right?
You do realize that all the other forces acting on things in space also act on planets. Only Mars and Venus have atmospheres - and Mars won't protect you from radiation and you have to live in giant balloons in the upper atmosphere of Venus (which is like living in a tiny, cramped spaceship instead of a large, massive one).
The Oklahoma land runs are a good act to follow, despite some flaws. Key to retaining your claim was you had to make improvements to the property, you couldn't just survey it, drop a flag there with your name on it, and wait for its value to increase.
First come first served works with that in mind. Sure, Elon or Bezos can say they own Mars. Good luck holding it if they're doing nothing with it. Drop in a caveat that at claim+50 years all those requirements go away and you have a system where you get an initial claim, must actually attempt to use it to keep the claim intact, and then your heirs or those you sell it to aren't locked into your choices.
There's still the problem of which bureaucrat decides what an "improvement" is, and how bribeable they are, but with the "commie territory, everyone pays rent" you have that problem and worse.
Try again, Rebecca. Your time as a "subject" has tainted your worldview.
Only way to prove an improvement is to pay something every year for the thing being improved. Otherwise it's not first come first served it's he said she said
I think space would be a useful way of deconstructing the three main elements of 'property'. Namely:
usus - the right to use the thing
fructus - the right to the fruits of the thing
abusus - the right to destroy or alienate the thing
The first two rights are called usufruct and until the mid 19th century was what land property was. But it is the third element that's key to property. The right to destroy something simply because it's yours. The right to sell it to whomever you want. The right to pass it on after the death to whomever you want and for the state to enforce that.
No. *YOU* enforce that through the use of violence. That you push off the actual violence to the state doesn't change that.
My point was about Post-death inheritance. You're dead. It's the state that steps in enforce your will. Yes your inheritors may also choose violence but the state is basing its decision on your will not their claim