Reports of Missiles Killing 2 in Poland Raise Prospect of Dangerous Escalation
The Pentagon is seeking to corroborate those reports.

American military officials are "looking into" reports that two Russian missiles may have hit Poland on Tuesday, killing two people near the country's eastern border with Ukraine.
Poland's status as a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) means the reported incident, which seems to have occurred as part of a Russian bombardment that targeted cities and key infrastructure across Ukraine, represents one of the most dangerous moments in the war since Russia invaded Ukraine in February. Even if only an accident, it seems inevitable that the missile strikes raise the likelihood of a direct confrontation between the world's two largest nuclear powers.
According to The New York Times, two people were killed by an explosion at a grain processing facility near the Polish village of Przewodow. The Associated Press cited two unnamed American intelligence officials who confirmed that the missiles did stray into Poland.
General Pat Ryder, the Pentagon's spokesman, told reporters on Tuesday afternoon that military officials were "aware of the press reports alleging that two Russian missiles have struck a location inside Poland" but said the military was still seeking to corroborate those reports.
The potential for an accidental missile strike inside NATO territory that could spark a broader war has been one of the top concerns for many observers since Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Just weeks after the war began, Emma Ashford and Joshua Shifrinson warned in a piece at Foreign Affairs about the potential for an "escalating spiral" if Russian warplanes accidentally entered NATO airspace or if other events, perhaps accidental ones, caused the war to spill over Ukraine's borders.
"On a long enough timescale and with enough Russian missiles due for western Ukraine, the odds of this were growing," tweeted Ankit Panda shortly after news of the missile strikes broke on Tuesday. "This *exact* inadvertent escalation scenario (off-course Russian missiles hitting Poland/Romania) has been subject of discussions on pathways to direct NATO-Russia escalation since Feb. 24."
The scary question is what might come next. Article V of the NATO charter obligates the alliance to treat an attack on one member as if it were an attack on all, but Panda warns that the language in the treaty should not be treated as "a tripwire/automatic."
"Contrary to prevalent (though not universal) belief, Article V does NOT obligate NATO members to go to war if a fellow ally is attacked. It gives them leeway to take steps they deem suitable, including 'the use of armed force.'" wrote Rajan Menon, director of the Grand Strategy program at Defense Priorities, a realist foreign policy think tank.
That the Pentagon is taking time to assess what happened in Poland is the first step to preventing a dangerous escalation. Indeed, some reports indicate that the explosion might have been the tragic result of Ukraine shooting down Russian missiles over its airspace. Regardless, the next moves made by both NATO and Russia will be some of the most fraught and potentially catastrophic yet seen.
More than anything else, for now, Tuesday's incident is a reminder of the inherent risks that come with any war or near-war between great powers—and should provide a much stronger incentive for all sides to bring an end to the conflict in Ukraine before it truly spirals out of hand.
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who blowed up the gas lines?
It was most likely shoddy Russian welding.
Russia is failing horribly at this war with their inferior equipment and if we just keep the pressure on Putin with unlimited weapons and cash infusions to Ukraine, we will likely have regime change in Moscow from a Hitlerian dictatorship to a liberal democracy. It's worked in the past and it will work this time too.
Glad you woke up about Putin when you seen he didn't have a State-sponsored Grand Rabbinate position, not to mention that Russian Jews oppose Putin's war with Ukraine.
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It was most likely shoddy Russian welding.
Which would be weird considering that a) The Russians didn't weld the part that exploded and b) the explosion due to leakage would've required the energy of thousands of linear meters of gas-filled pipe to get compressed into a single meter at detonation.
From the Maga/QAnon hive that is Wired and Ars Technica:
“Dark ships” emerge from the shadow of the Nord Stream pipeline mystery
Satellite monitors found 2 vessels with their trackers turned off in area of explosions.
Well, the divers probably didn't swim there from Kaliningrad.
Well no shit, Shrike. They probably didn't swim there from anywhere else either.
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The British know, but they can't tell you.
Funny how quickly that went down the memory hole once people started saying they had evidence. I assume the evidence didn't quite lead to Putin's doorstep and probably dead ended somewhere in DC.
It was proven to be Russia and we moved on because it was the least of what they've done lately, Kremlin shill.
Cool!
When did that happen??
How novel, how original, how stupid, Shrike. Got anymore for this one-dimensional sock?
This is a direct attack on a NATO member and a threat to liberal democracy throughout Europe! We need direct military confrontation with Russia now to put a stop to their war of aggression. A no fly zone is a start but I'd recommend sending a carrier group to the Black Sea to show Russia that we are united and will not back down when our American values, like LGBTQIA+ tolerance, anti-racism, democracy (unless it was subverted via disinformation), and open borders, are threatened.
Carrier group? What carrier group?
Have you forgotten the democrats 'won' in 2020?
We ain't got no stinkin' carrier groups.
But we can send in the seals to conduct seminars on gender identity and critical race theory.
What about abortions? You didn’t mention abortion, you monster!
The DNC said to thank all the MAGA Trumpanzee infiltrators of Reason for ceaseless shrieking against the dire conspiracy to recognize pregnant females as autonomous adults capable of making their own decisions regarding abortion. Without friends like the Army of God and Republican Televangelist Caucus the nationalsocialists might have slipped a number of girl-bulliers past voter scrutiny and into the wielding of deadly force.
If you like that, you should watch the official NASA broadcast of the SLS/Artemis launch last night.
The theme was "diversity and inspiration".... So there were no men allowed on the broadcast. "Finally, women and people of color will be inspired to participate in science!"
It was epic.
The Neocons must have jizzed themselves over this.
as I age I'm more convinced we knew Pearl Harbor was coming.
Billy Mitchell predicted it in detail in 1923.
sweet. never seen that.
The War Department saw Japan as a rising threat shortly after WW1 ended.
With knowledge that Kamikaze pilots were a thing with the Japanese, our intelligence services should have foreseen the possibility of a 9/11 long ago. Your Taxdollars At Work!
The same sort of efficiency that sent visas to the hijacker’s 6 months after 9-11
Dale Brown predicted it in the early '90s in Storming Heaven.
The germacious and ungracious Germans bombed Pearl Harbor 'cause those damned Germans were utter PUPPETS to the Lizard People and their Government-Almighty-damned PROXY WAR against decent humanoids!!! And THEN, to make matter FAR worser yet, even approaching unto that them thar worstest, the Lizard People got stoned on illegal Ginger Spice (of those sexy British Spice Gorillas, of coarse), and then REALLY went apeshit on ALL of us poor humanoids!!!
(I larned this that them thar thangs & stuffy stuff by reading Hairy FartleDove's stuffy stuff-and-stuff. So do NOT question MEEEEE and MY Facts, Jack!)
Your name isn't John Blutarsky, perhaps?
let him go he's rolling.
How old are you, exactly?
beat me to it
Are you by any chance related to Homer Simpson? Does Homer get jiggly with it, and shuck and jive with the other homies, Simpson, Samson, Samsonite, Thompson, and Thompsonite? And just exactly what IS Thompsonite, and how much do you want for it? Can I use it to reduce my taxes, and-or, increase my personal freedom?
Simpsons s5, e2 is arguably a Top-5 episode
bingo
It's funny to, once again, see people who otherwise wouldn't be caught dead defending anything Trump says, saying "Article V is really just a suggestion and this whole NATO thing might not be the best idea to begin with."
Donald Trump is grifter scum, but he was right on that.
Funny, we were never facing down a nuclear war when Trump was president. It sure is great we have an honest gent like Biden in office. Such a class act.
Don’t you remember all the world wars we were in?
I remember that he literally started world war three by NOT attacking Iran.
Somebody has to get us out of NATO.
What we really need is a Republican Congress to fulfill its Constitutional obligation of checks and balances in case the Executive Branch tries to recklessly...
LOL j/k! If the bipartisan foreign policy establishment wants escalation it'll get escalation. 🙂
This could have been stopped if more of Reason's journalists voted for the Libertarian party in the midterms.
Or in the 2020 election.
Or if we just cleansed America of the Marxists.
Which one? The 1970s women's rights, nonaggression, pro-repeal libertarian party of individual freedom? The 1980s no borders, child prostitution, unilateral disarmament, Freeze and Surrender 1980s LP? Or mebbe the post-Gary no borders, terrorist importation, vigilante executioner, girl-bullying, superstitious-bigot, anarcho-fascist Nazimillionaire-funded Fawn Mises LP that just alienated New Mexico?
Except when the executive was filled by Trump...
two people were killed by an explosion at a grain processing facility near the Polish village of Przewodow.
So almost like exactly what would happen if a grain silo exploded. Let's not just take the "unnamed sources" word for it.
Would you believe it if Bill Kristol, Jennifer Rubin, Max Boot, Victoria Nuland, or Anne Applebaum tweeted it? Or are you some kind of anti-Semite in addition to a Putler apologist?
#Bring Back OBL.
OBL would have mentioned Kristol, Rubin, and Boot, but replaced the last two with David Frum.
Joe Kent a combat vet who lost his wife (another vet) to neocon wars and Frum blasted him. Frum is just a total scum bag. Can we deport him back to Canada where he can worship Troytsky
CNBC is not showing tanking stock futures?
Plunge protection team 3.0?
QE back on?
https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/future/es00
Tanking only a tad so far yet... Hopefully not too terribly much more...
Funny, with names like Bill Bennett, Dick Cheney, and Sean Hannity. I thought NeoCons we're all Irish Catholics. 🙂
now now..
Seriously, there is a problem with American immigrants who can't leave old world grudges behind. Other than a small group of Irish in Boston who supported the IRA, I can't think of any other immigrant group that was obsessed with the old country and thinking America should punish the old country for what they did than folks who immigrated from Russia or the old USSR. You never hear from Italians "what the Piedmonts did to us"...perhaps it is time America's foreign policy is run to represent the great majority of Americans
I don't support the idea that we can make the whole world just like us through military might, but I never thought of Neo-Cons as some specific nationality or "ethnicity". They could just as easily be the ones Hillary called "Deplorables" meeting in honky-tonks as they could be elite intellectuals meeting in cafés.
I am pretty sure Herself is squarely in the center of the Neocon foreign policy camp.
Neo-Con appears to be a big enough camp for both.
It begun with Trotsky losing out to Stalin. Come on now..with neocons it is always Trotsky. And fooling Americans to dying for their old world grudges. How they got inside the GOP in the 80's is story to be told for sure given their far left beliefs
Well, Trotsky and Stalin were both thugs and scum, so you couldn't catch me wanting to die for either one.
Then again, as anyone who has read my post knows, I wouldn't be at home with Paleo-Cons and Trad-Cons on social issues or with so-called "Realists" either.
I guess my best foreign policy descriptor is "Start-No-Fights-But-Be-Ready-To-Finish-Them"-ism. I don't go searching for trouble, but if someone threatens it from a distance, I won't wait until it's at my door.
Your average Polish Grain Silo Explosion kills 50 people. Russian military engineering and intervention accidentally saved 48 of them.
"Donbass", my ass!
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Poland is a belligerent as is NATO. No surprise if Russia bombs them.
Dangerous for Russia to provoke NATO, also dangerous for NATO to keep poking Russia.
Everyone needs to step back and cool off.
The only “everybody” that needs to “step back” is everybody who’s with Putin and his Putineers.
Is it part of being an “American Hero” to make false moral equivalences of “boaf sidez?”
No, it's what the Kremlin pays him to do.
I guess this makes it semi-official.
Decision Desk HQ projects Republicans have won a majority in the U.S. House with at least 218 seats.
Still a weak performance given the environment.
No kidding. Poor fortifications. Do better next time.
And the cheating didn’t help.
It looks like when it's done it'll be 222-213 or 221-214. Oh, and Sarah Palin loses, badly.
Great Reason reporting,
How far into Poland? Was there a reasonable trajectory from a Ukrainian target?
Any chance at all of citing a named, reliable source?
And, oh by the way, if it takes one missile to get one kill, we can just wait until Russia runs out of missiles.
Kinder, gentler missiles.
You have got to be kidding. Eric Boehm dashes off a quick blog post on a very important breaking story, and you are criticizing Reason for — what? — not having foreign correspondents on the ground in Poland?
He’s asking for basic facts Dee, you bitch!
I'm coming around to the realization that the regulars here are mostly women.
That would explain a lot...
Considering that you like little boys better, Shrike...
From the Reason blog? Why would he expect this to be the place where new facts will break in the story?
It's about 2 miles north and 2 miles west of the Ukrainian border. If it's a miss, it missed by a lot. If it's something that the Ukrainian defenders only partially wounded while trying to shoot down, then it's possibly unintentional, but still reckless.
I didn't see any major Ukrainian infrastructure nearby based on a cursory Google Earth search, but that doesn't mean there wasn't any.
It could be something completely else, too.
It's most likely a Ukrainian s300 that misfired/malfunctioned
Almost anything is possible at this early hour without more evidence. It could have been an electrical short for all we know so far.
https://twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1592703984997130241?t=QStXpBSFVKhDhJXGmpAAkw&s=19
Biden says "preliminary" information suggests it is "unlikely" missile that killed two in Poland was fired from Russia.
So you're citing "preliminary" info from a man who doesn't know the flavor of his Jello Pudding and Boost? Man, you're reaching.
I agree that if it was a missile that killed those two people, that it's unlikely that it was fired 'from Russia' - as in, from within their national borders - but that leaves a whole lot of possible truths out on the table.
Early reporting and especially official government statements on incidents like this have not proven to be particularly accurate in the past. I will not jump to conclusions. Or into wars.
Photos of the debris was posted pretty quickly after the hit. Missile launches and trajectories can be tracked by a variety of sources. Within hours, language had to be changed from "Russian missile struck Poland" to "Russian made missile struck Poland".
Notice how this story hasn't been amplified since the initial reports. If they thought they could get away with putting this on Russia, they would. The fact that they can't is pretty conclusive evidence that Russia didn't fire that missile.
You exhibit typical conspiracy thinking: Nothing happens which isn't being directed in some way by dark forces.
Infrastructure? You mean the city of L'viv? Putin isn't targetting "infrastructure" per se; any civilian target will apparently do.
That said, it is probably more likely that this was a stray anti-missile missile fired from Ukraine during the "100-missile" barrage on Ukrainian cities Putin authorized to show the G20 members he still had a dick.
The village where the two people were killed is Przewodow
And, oh by the way, if it takes one missile to get one kill, we can just wait until Russia runs out of missiles.
That's great unless the Polish mounted cavalry runs out of quarters first.
They must've shot down the ghost of kiev
https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1592630562237616130?t=qWm0PUZAwLvLUIc-P4hCMA&s=19
The US should leave NATO
The US should leave the UN
There is no reason to risk WW3 because of ethnic conflicts 6K miles away
And if your next-door neighbor has a leaf fire in their back yard, you don't need to lend them your hose. In today's world, 6,000 miles is next door.
How's that world police thing been going the past 3 decades?
When are our "neighbors" halfway across the world going to start bringing something to the table for the American people?
The analogy doesn't even make sense. I have a feeling Jerry B.'s either responsible for a forest fire or mortgaged his house, showed up to a fight with garden hose, and got his ass kicked.
Yea, I was being generous and just skipping past the absurdity of his analogy.
Depends on if the leaf fire is spreading. Recall The Great Chicago Fire.
The same day the Great Chicago Fire started - so did the Peshtigo Fire next door in Wisconsin. Burned 1.2 million acres, 2000-2500+ people died. Now completely disappeared in the history books
It was overshadowed by the fire in the larger city to the south where all the news was focused. There was also another large fire near Port Huron, Michigan that night, that is also largely forgotten to history for the same reason.
Hmm!....Didn't even know about those. Thanks for the history lesson.
Suffice it to say, fires spread quickly and you can't just wait until it's on your property line.
WWIII has come and gone since 1989.
An actual neo-Nazi thinks it's OK to invade Poland, go figure.
It’s as if millions of war boners suddenly became fully erect…
"Looks like forever war is back on the menu, boys!"
When was it ever "off" the menu?
1/20/2017-1/20/2021
I’m imaging that phrase in Alec Guinness’ voice.
Aw, fuck it. Let's go nuclear first strike and see what happens. That includes bombing China, too. We really don't need an industrialized world anyway. Think of our reduced carbon footprint. At least this would take out as many elites as peasants.
Can we just send all the neocons/neolibs with Russian Ancestry who run our foreign policy since the end of the cold war to Ukraine to fight the evil Czar first?
I like this plan.
The ensuing nuclear winter would certainly solve the global heating problem.
Fine strawman you got there. Those go down with a paintball gun barrage.
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Time to reinstitute the draft...no deferments this time. My bet would be 99% of the "I stand with Ukraine" flags in Twitter and on democratic home yards around DC would be taken down overnight. With Rural White Kids not enlisting anymore to join a military that views them as cannon fodder and openly despises them, who the hell is joining the "Grand Armee" to invade Russia for democracy, LTGTQ MAP, abortion, end "whiteness" crusade? Sorry Reason and left libertarians, your kids can't run away to Harvard or Canada or Israel this time...this should be very interesting
One of the problems with creating an all volunteer military, often made up of generational members (over 60% of volunteers are at least 2nd generation, my son is fifth) is that the populous loses its empathy for the military.
So you think making Citizens into slaves is how to solve this problem?
Yeah, no. Fuck Off, Slaver! You and Putin both.
Instead, we just depend on a permanent class of warrior families to go and fight and pretend like there isn't a war going on. That seems to be working out well for us. Also, the Putin stupidity is just asinine.
Isn't it working out well for us? Was it better when tens of thousands of young Americans were dying in SE Asia?
Fewer than 8,000 all-volunteer US military personnel have died in all conflicts since the Gulf War.
For context, nearly 56,000 died in Vietnam, and 36,500 in Korea. (Not to mention the 405,000 who died in WWII or the 117,000 who died in WWI.)
Not necessarily. We Americans have more guns than people, so we can voluntarily sent the Ukrainians arms to fight for themselves. And Colt, Springfield Arms, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, and Raytheon could make money with or without foreign aid if we let them.
So far no leader is mentioning article five, the Poles did invoke article 4, which calls for a meeting to coordinate security measures. Let's hope they keep their heads.
It wasn't a Russian missile, but maybe NATO can declare war on Ukraine for its errant s300. Unfortunately, I don't think that would stop the embezzlement (another $37b rammed through right after this convenient tragedy).
https://twitter.com/baronitaigas/status/1592632633162272769?t=5oyJHFaTD_GLlarRNYjYJA&s=19
Serious props to the Polish photographer who took the picture of the Ukrainian S-300 fragment and uploaded it. Stopped them spinning a web of bullshit.
Fuck off Nazi scumbot.
You're kind of broke.
That's all you got, Shrike? Pretty lame.
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1592747004131958784?t=EC2ZzaFAFxZf2pJqYjaKdA&s=19
BREAKING: US officials: Initial findings suggest missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile - AP
Well thankfully the US government will thoroughly investigate the “two unnamed American intelligence officials” who are spreading bullshit to The Associated Press that can start a fucking nuclear war.
#libertariansforadultsincharge
From the AP story: "Three U.S. officials said preliminary assessments suggested the missile was fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian one amid the crushing salvo against Ukraine’s electrical infrastructure Tuesday. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.
That assessment and Biden’s comments at the Group of 20 summit in Indonesia contradict information earlier Tuesday from a senior U.S. intelligence official who told the AP that Russian missiles crossed into Poland."
I wonder which words the first official actually used?
In any event, Russia would still be responsible no matter whose missile it was (unless it was an erroneous launch having nothing to do with air defence). Russia's war on Ukraine is illegal, which makes everything which follows as a logical result Russia's responsibility. The entire thing (not just the murder, torture and targeting of civilians) is an ongoing war crime. Do they still hang war criminals?
I don't understand this idea of "legal war" and "illegal war".
Ukraine has some stuff that Russia wants. They are taking it. Isn't that precisely what war is?
Yes, wars of aggression are uniformly illegal under "international law". What would you call Ukraine's actions in response? Legal or illegal?
Of note: Underlying the narrative is a joke about the Ukrainian Army being so competent at fighting off Russians that the Polish are getting offended that the Ukrainians are encroaching on their territory.
Pretty sure that prior to 2022, the Poles thought half of Ukraine should be Polish territory
This matter has already been settled ....
A missile that allegedly killed two people in Poland on Tuesday was most likely launched by Ukrainian air defense forces, Polish president, Andrzej Duda, has announced.
Russia’s defense ministry previously said its analysis of photos from the site showed that the projectile was from a S-300 air defense system used by Kiev.
“Most likely, a missile made by Russia in the 1970s has fallen on Polish territory. We have no evidence that it was launched by Russia,” Duda told reporters.
“There is a high probability that it was a Ukrainian air defense missile,” he added.
So Ukraine attacked our NATO ally and keeping in line with the earlier rhetoric we should be going t war against Ukraine for the attack. I'd settle for extracting ourselves from the advisory, intelligence and financing roles though.
Sure, if you were somehow required to employ the dumbest form of logic ever conceived. That's exactly what it means!
Remember when Trump tweeted, "I'm meeting with the joint chiefs..." and ENB/Reason completed the Tweet with "He's starting WWIII!"?
Fucking Christ. Imagine you lived in a world where everyone was a homicidal egomaniac, *except* Trump.
I remember the outrage when Trump refused to obey the orders of the"experts" and did not attack Iran. It was literally world war three, or so we were told.
Solemani wasn't the Iranian general in charge of the Quds Force?
"Five... If, on the other hand, we were to immediately launch an all-out coordinated attack on all their airfields and missile bases, we’d have a damn good chance of catching them with their pants down."
But what of our precious bodily fluids?
Confirmed: missile came from Ukraine.
repeat: Missile came from Ukraine.
Confirmed: Neither would have happened if Putin never invaded Ukraine.
Confirmed: none of this would have happened if bath house Barry hadn't gotten involved in Ukraine in the first place.
Sending Vicky Nudelman in with her cookies and NATO involvement with the Maiden planted the seeds to this war.