Presidents Bush and Obama Mistakenly Think We Need Their Warnings About Disinformation
Thanks, but we lived through the lies of their administrations that they used to sell us war and intrusive government meddling in health care.

This week, former Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama will be at conferences lecturing about democracy and apparently warning against the spread of disinformation.
Yes, it's a real "[checks notes]" meme moment. The Bush administration launched a post-9/11 war that had almost no relationship with the terrorists responsible, based on bad intelligence and misleading the public about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Obama's signature domestic accomplishment, the Affordable Care Act, was dependent on him selling Americans a lie that they would be able to keep the health insurance they had.
Bush will be interviewing Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (via live feed) as part of "The Struggle for Freedom Conference" in Texas on Wednesday. Obama will be speaking alongside former Philippines Vice President Leni Robredo on Thursday in New York City as part of an Obama Foundation panel that discusses topics like "tackling disinformation and protecting democracy; pluralism, identity and democracy; and inclusive capitalism."
It makes for an easy round of "whataboutism," and to be fair, they both deserve it. Neither of these men is speaking on the issue from a position of credibility.
The lies that spun out of these two administrations weren't just simple errors: They had a purpose. The lies they presented were intended to convince Americans to support their political goals, both of which involved broad government interventions abroad and at home. And so, when these men talk about fighting "disinformation," it's very easy to assume that they are referring to messages that may cause the public to distrust government decisions, despite whether these messages are accurate or not.
Worse, both teams here seem to be arguing that the solution to disinformation is for the government to get further entangled in what is supposed to be independent journalism in order to fight whatever they're deeming is disinformation. The George W. Bush Presidential Center's page about "combating disinformation" leans heavily on supporting "local journalism" as an antidote for disinformation in disconcertingly vague terms: "The public, along with the executive and legislative branches, should take the lead in defending and promoting freedom of the press and the role of journalism. The private sector, Congress, philanthropy, and news readers/viewers should support local journalism."
But to what end? The fact that both of these presidents used the media to peddle disinformation when they were in office should give us all pause at the idea that the government should get even further entangled in anything the press does.
We have seen now that the federal government has been quietly pushing social media companies to delete content that government officials have decided is disinformation, regardless of whether that classification is accurate. Nobody who serves as a president, as a member of Congress, or in any of these political positions should be looked to for guidance when it comes to fighting disinformation.
A government that gets more involved in the media is a government that will get more involved in controlling what the media says. This is not a recipe for fighting disinformation. This is a recipe for controlling whose disinformation gets presented.
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Cue up the shrill cries of "You wanted this! You voted for Biden! You hate Trump" in 3... 2... 1...
Poor sarc
And again he proves the accusations against him. That anything slightly critical of a Democrat he runs in to throw shit and deflect. Never a criticism of a Democrat.
Say what? I agree with every criticism of Obama in this article and then some. Last I checked he's a Democrat.
Cite?
Yet somehow, whenever someone is criticizing the Democrats you rush in to scream "But the Republicans! Trump! Trump!".
Sorry man, your credibility because of your tired gamesmanship and trolling is all gone. No one believes you because you can't not be disingenuous and obnoxious.
So… Does dat count as one of doze five disses on dems you so desperately demand?
Is it good enough?
No. When you have to be pushed into it instead of it being your initial response it is disingenuous. But you know that.
And you didn't even criticize him. You just pointed at an article after you flung shit.
Dat wad I dot. Ha!
Cite your criticism.
One one time you've done it on your own accord. Even here you didnt criticize.
I forget. Do witches float or sink?
How many witches have you drowned now, Sarc, and you still don't know the answer.
Basically what you have proven is you can't find one instance of you critiquing the left even in threads critical of that side.
It is amazing.
Not amazing at all. I never looked. lol
Trollboy, everyone...
Some people just hate being reminded of their mistakes.
Happy to oblige:
You wanted this! You voted for Biden! You hate Trump!
I'm pretty sure you won't respond to this with much more than a sneer, but good faith demands I at least give you a chance. When you decide to lean heavily for a political tribe, even to the extent of playing fast and loose with your ostensible principles, honesty demands that you do take some responsibility for the tribe you've leaned for. Bush and Obama aren't trafficking in any claims of disinformation that a lot of the writers here haven't been all too happy to play along with. Many of us complaining about Reason's stances aren't complaining that we think they should make a compromise in their libertarianism. We're complaining that they've been all too willing to compromise their libertarianism in favor of a particular Establishment narrative. A couple of retired politicians calling for censorship is small potatoes compared to the wholesale censorship and repression that Establishment has been engaged in. And the most that Reason seems to be able to muster in response is "Gosh, they probably shouldn't be doing that."
"When you decide to lean heavily for a political tribe, even to the extent of playing fast and loose with your ostensible principles, honesty demands that you do take some responsibility for the tribe you’ve leaned for."
This has been explained extensively to him, but he just doesn't seem to see it that way.
Too dumb or doesn't care? He has gladly adopted the behaviors of his team such as Mike and Jeff.
Does "I cheer for whoever is playing against the Yankees" equal support for any particular team?
If the Yankees are playing against the Astros, and you want to Yankees to lose, then you are rooting for the Astros at that point of time.
So, basically, a sneer. What I expected.
Nope. A serious question. I don't like the Yankees. I don't like the Red Sox either. Heck, I'm not much of a team player.
I'm talking about the assumption that criticism of A equals support for B, even if nothing was ever said about B.
I’m talking about the assumption that criticism of A equals support for B, even if nothing was ever said about B.
Except singling A out for criticism while ignoring or excusing the offenses of B does amount to support. Think about it this way. Let's say I started posting about what an insufferable dishonest prick you were in the comment sections. And I studiously ignored other posters being insufferable or dishonest in their interactions with you. Am I just being an honest arbiter opposed in principle to people being a dishonest prick? Or am I effectively supporting the people at odds with you?
Well I guess you're a insufferable prick who supports the people at odds with me. Point made.
You seriously have issues.
Says the guy begging for attention by shitting on every single post of mine.
Go away.
Cite? The only one flinging shit here has been you.
Oh wow, the Reason comment's biggest attention whore ever is actually accusing other people of begging for attention.
Self-awareness isn't a Sarcasmic superpower.
The amount he engages in the activities he also condemns is astonishing.
So many issues.
Yeah, you hide behind this claim all while rooting for the Red Sox. It just doesn't fly anymore.
A sneer is a contemptuous dismissal. Which one of us is trying to dismiss the other?
psst
it's not me
Logic.
Let A equal Republicans and B equal Democrats.
Let A equal vegetables and B equal meat.
Let A equal Ford and B equal Mazda.
Logic doesn't care who A or B is.
Let A equal vegetables and B equal meat.
If I comment about the health risks of vegetables while ignoring those of meat, even in cases where meat is worse than vegetables, yes.
If I talk about how terrible Fords are while ignoring the facets where Mazdas are objectively worse, yes, I am implicitly making the case for Mazda and the rest of Ford's competitors.
To be sarc you'd have to attack vegetables in an article about the health risk of meat.
I'm not a big fan of taking what someone doesn't say as proof that they mean this other thing that they didn't say, and then calling them a liar when they disagree.
But that's just me. I'm the oddball around here.
You accuse everyone of being right wing here you lying shit.
By the way. This is saved next time you call someone right wing.
Please do. It's funny when you misapply what I say.
"I’m the oddball around here"
Not really, Chemleft and Shrike say pretty much everything you do, although they're reading talking-points and you're just parroting what you heard on CNN.
Does criticism of A equal support for B?
How many people have you called right wing for being against democrats? Answer the question yourself. Or are you going with your standard hypocrisy?
If that's all you do? Yes.
You seem to have missed the whole point of the article! This is an opinion AGAINST “fighting disinformation.” The writers for Reason lean heavily on the liberty tribe and they are not trying to use false information to convince others that freedom and small government are the way to go. Government officials lean heavily towards the statist tribe – their careers and personal lust for power depend upon it – and have frequently used lies to maintain their powerful positions. The correct response to misinformation from any source is correct information – and no other response, especially from government regulators and investigators.
You seem to have missed the whole point of the article!
Nobody reads the articles for anything other than something to support their narrative. Whatever doesn't support the narrative is ignored. The article said bad things about a Republican. Ipso facto Reason is leftist. What else is there to know?
Sarc white knights the fuck out of every comment that poops on the Democrats. Ipso facto Sarcasmic is leftist.
"The writers for Reason lean heavily on the liberty tribe and they are not trying to use false information"
Hahhaahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahahahahahahhhaahhahahaahhahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahhaha
”liberty tribe” "statist tribe"
Woah woah, cool it with the antisemitism there.
No, I didn't miss the point of the article. I just think the article is weak sauce. As I said, Reason itself has trafficked in the "disinformation" narrative. And it's been actively hostile to those challenging the broader narrative of the authorities who're advancing it. It's treated any skepticism of the 2020 election results as "The Big Lie". It called questions about the COVID reactions "conspiracy theories". Saying, as sarcasmic does, that any questioning of Reason's history here is just blind partisanship simply isn't true.
Reason may have said this, but they really meant that, because they said some other thing way back when.
Dogwhistles, Sarcasmic?
You dont seem upset by the results at all, continuing to attack those against the growing state. How could anyone infer your political leanings. And in the next thread you'll be calling everyone right wing yet again.
You do have a talent, that's for sure. Truly amazing. Never seen someone pack so many untruths into so few words. You are the pithiest liar I've ever seen!
What is the untruth?
Every word you say about me. It's amazing. It's like a superpower.
Be specific. What was the untruth.
I told you. Every single word. Let's start with the first one, "You." This refers not to me but to the voice that screams at you inside your head. At least that's what I gather because the things you accuse it of are things I've never done. That's just one word. There's a couple dozen in the comment. I'm not expending that much energy for you. Sorry dude.
If you weren't such a disingenuous, lying fuck you would have at least one example at your fingertips. But you don't because you were the one lying.
>> I told you. Every single word
That’s the kind of bullshit response that statist politicians provide because they can never deliver prosperity. It’s the typical response of someone who stands on their head and tells the rest of the world they’re upside-down. You really can’t come up with a single example.
No. Just looks like they’re united in going after Substack.
Inclusive Capitalism except for Substack
I bet sarcasmic actually did vote for Biden.
You know who else complained about big lies despite his own mendacity?
Every politician ever.
"Every politician ever."
That's an example classic disinformation, sure to be squelched by the government. Everyone knows that it wasn't more than 99.6% percent of politicians ever.
With a margin of error of +0.4%.
99.6 +/- 4%.
+
I'm always tempted to leave George Washington out of the political class, since he apparently did not want to be President and was happier as a scientific farmer, although he signed a lot of tom-fool bills and had Hamilton for treasurer. And there's Ron Paul & son, who don't act like every other politician ever.
So maybe a few more 9s in there.
"I’m always tempted to leave George Washington out of the political class, since he apparently did not want to be President .."
Maybe. On the other hand, several historians have written biographies in which they claim that he actually really, really, did want to be President, but he thought that a certain level of "humility" was his best chance at getting the support he needed. I don't think that is a knock in any way. We could use elected officials who, at least, "demonstrate" humility as a positive personality aspect.
The CW used to be that someone visibly panting for office was unqualified for office for that very reason. The office had to seek the man, not vice-versa, especially when the man was a popular military leader and therefore tending to provoke anxiety that a new Caesar or Cromwell was in the offing.
I think he had a patrician's sense of duty, that while he did not enjoy being President and dealing with real politicians, he saw it as his duty to unite the country, to get things off to a noble start, etc etc etc. He was of course partisan even while decrying partisan politics. But if, say, Benjamin Franklin has been a bit younger and expressed an interest, I think he might have stepped aside and been happier as the farmer.
Like I said, I am "tempted" to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Likewise.
“You know who else complained about big lies despite his own mendacity?”
The holidays are coming up, don’t have the time.
Look, if you want advice on how to defend yourself against muggers, you'd hire a mugger to teach you, right? Defend yourself from rape, hire a rapist, defend yourself from child molestation, hire a child molester, defend yourself against surprise butt sex, hire a fanny bandit, defend yourself from conniving, lying grifters, hire a conniving, lying grifter. Wait, where was I going with this?
I have a t-shirt for that, something about government being the thugs and liars we hire to protect us from thugs and liars.
Closest to that I ever owned was a bumper sticker which read: “Don’t Steal—The Government Hates Competition.”
https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1592205977037987841?t=T3Y0U5Nu4A5XQ5I9KvuOsw&s=19
A conspiracy theorist might view the corporate press amplifying “the end of the Trump era” weeks ago, blood red Biden demonizing voters & dissent, the show trials, the perp walks, the subpoenas, the FBI raid, the treatment of the J6 political prisoners,
and the continued targeting of Trump endorsed candidates, a week after Election Day as all very organized and calculated to feign consensus, shift momentum, & serve the storyline the establishment needs to retain power.
But hey I’m in Florida.
Not my circus, not my clown show.
'It’s the misogyny, stupid': Libertarian slams Republicans blaming lost elections on 'single women'
When conservatives respond to unfavorable election results with imprecations against single women and start to echo the more fetid corners of the online ‘manosphere’ with slurs about ‘cat ladies,’” Young writes, “it doesn’t exactly do a lot to rebut the charge that the right’s real agenda is to restore patriarchy and bring those pesky independent females to heel. ‘It’s the misogyny, stupid’ is a message that comes through loud and clear…. Trashing a group of voters for not voting your way is not a great way to bring them over to your side…. Right now, the Republican messaging is pushing gender polarization in a particularly blatant and toxic way.”
Cathy Young
The Bulwark
That article was so epicly full of cope and projection it almost wasn’t funny. Almost.
“I feel like those pigheaded men pointing out that single-women vote for authoritarians are so wrong, I’ll show them!” Sorry, Cathy, can’t tell if you’re one of the good feminists or just another TERF from my testosterone-clouded corner of the ‘manosphere’.
I mean, FFS;
Oh, wow! The problem isn’t JD Vance (not) driving a wedge between the sexes or that single women vote democrat which you agree is statistically accurate, but that *poor* *black* single women vote democrat? ROFLMAO! Kudos Cathy! Holy Shit!
James Lindsay dunks on her at every opportunity. There’s some sort of history there.
But I think she lost me a few years back when she used the term “rape culture” without irony.
"Black women are less likely to be married than white women by 30 percentage points (32 percent vs. 62 percent in 2018), and they vote Democratic even more reliably than black men."
I wonder how black women score on the government support scale, either working civil service or getting public assistance. No better reason to vote (D), right?
How dare people vote in their own financial interest.
You know, instead of voting for the 98% white party that is actively racist.
Which libertarian is that? The one who wanted war with Russia?
They're not independent ladies. They tend to be unbelievably dependent on the system.
They're also, by and large, measurably stupid.
https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1592199691277828098?t=dN7r6fN7jEBQlh-N6J86_g&s=19
Throughout all of political history going back thousands of years, the side that's willing and able to burn down cities almost always gets their way.
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Hey Scott, whatever you wrote is irrelevant and a lie so good job shooting your own credibility as a journalist you pedo enabling, DNC propagandist hack. We've seen your lies and have no use for your input on anything ever again.
And people accuse me of drunk-posting. Jeez.
You have to be completely soused not to notice yourself the things SJIN pointed out yourself.
Barack Obama is a shameless liar:
"We have 2% of the world's oil reserves."
In Afghanistan, we're "just bombing villages and killing people."
And he's squawking about misinformation?
Barry is just trolling the world now.
Barry's always been a lying asshole.
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1592219685080424448?t=hvs_PXohgP_kqun7KOn0Gg&s=19
Biden wearing a Mao clown outfit to meet with Xi will be played in every WWIII documentary one day. It will be just like that Neville Chamberlain waving paper video.
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Pathetic attempt at street cred.
This is who is in charge of our country, dressing as a mass murdering sociopath
What the actual fuck! Why not include knee pads and a bottle of lube?
Biden looks like a parody of a Bond villain. More dangerous and half as competent as Blofeld or Dr. Evil.
It could have been worse. He might have worn the same outfit as Xi's wife.
https://twitter.com/DrEliDavid/status/1592040557936795648?t=NCSQRMR9msSXIV3mKx4GgA&s=19
Sorry we called you anti-vaxxers, caused you to lose your jobs, and had your kids thrown out of college. It turns out you were right ?
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1592232859628376064?t=c1GZz2nTA5MX85gk4lR_aA&s=19
NEW - How Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum and others are "hiding their past ties" with the FTX crypto exchange.
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Come on Man, he gave 100million to the Democrats. He’s a kinder gentler Harvey Weinstein
Like Soros without the Hitler youth baggage.
More like money laundered $100 million to the Democrats via US government aid to Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/1592203892221431809?t=P15DgVlJREqhPShbQDOfsg&s=19
Weird how the media isn't talking about the fact that we now have HIGHER excess mortality than during the pandemic.
What is wrong???
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It's the shots. We see the same thing all over Europe.
https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-definitive-guide-to-excess-death
So you think you can actually tell when a politician is lying, and when they are not? Or when certain "information" or "facts" are being disseminated by the Russian propaganda machine and when they are not? That's 100% REDICULOUS. Only a FOOL would believe they can always tell the difference.
The old rule of thumb was "when their lips are moving".
The big take away from the election is that Republicans need to move towards younger, more vibrant leadership. Not only Trump, but McConnell and Graham need to stand aside (McConnell is less popular than Trump, and his strategy of waiting to spend money until late in the race cost some close races, because with current voting you need to define yourself early and keep reinforcing that narrative, McConnell let the summer go almost uncontested before he started releasing funds from his leadership funds). Many believe he did this because candidates spoke critical of him. He's as much of a throw back as Cheney was. There are several better candidates for Senate leadership. I would love to see Paul or Scott (I think if the party is smart, Scott has a big future). The Republicans won't be able to undo all the damage from Democrats overnight, so they need a long term strategy.
https://twitter.com/MegBeileen/status/1592206137071439872?t=-mH-phve1YQnpB0Qi625gA&s=19
Do you notice how the language has shifted? It’s no longer about making sure every VOTE counts, it’s about making sure every BALLOT counts.
Whoever gets the most ballots, not votes, wins.
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Duh. Ballots are smarter (and wiser) than people.
They have minds of their own. Like guns. Is it time for common sense ballot control?
Looks like CPI is incorrect. 16oz package of barilla pasta 2021 around1.15 give or take. Two weeks ago same package 1.60. Today $2.59.
Cooking canola oil is up, as of today , more than double two weeks ago. Dry beans, 3x two weeks ago. No shit. Don’t believe my own eyes.
Wall Street Journal says there’s no inflation over mandate.
Obama and Bush have to put on public shows? Somebody lost a bet at the last WEF happy hour.
https://twitter.com/Resist_05/status/1591712443923050496?t=G-bVupzmYWPbppAC3ZO2Bg&s=19
Make absolutely no mistake, individual carbon footprint trackers will be programmed to Central Bank Digital Currency’s
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Wow. Just wow
All part of..........
Covert Operation: GOV controls the PRESS.
Enter Stage 243578249 of USA Nazism.
“Inclusive Capitalism”
I can't wait for national equity sex. Or maybe I can.
The Struggle for Freedom Conference
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1592225923478454273?t=34wjEce780FKikQyh47EeQ&s=19
The difference between ballots and votes is everything now
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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1592296208114278401?t=QXSFUOgnn5QJQTltS_hSJg&s=19
Lee Zeldin fully defended Trump on stage during the Hochul debate and then went on to outperform every Republican who ran in New York state in the last 20 years
OK if both of these distinguished gentlemen were to tragically encounter an outstretched foot and land head first in a wood chipper would it count as an assassination given that both are private citizens? Would we have to have a national holiday or would it be more like a, hey shit happens, kind of moment? Asking for a friend.
The history of "disinformation" in the media, before anyone was really talking about it.
Streamed 4 years ago. A real journalists digs to the root of the desire to go after "disinformation", who was behind it, the media groups and superPACs, how it was funded by Google etc., via a direct line into the Obama administration.
The short version is, a month before a speech by Obama on the subject in September 2016, an non-profit organization called "First Draft" produced a partnership to stop internet hoaxes and fake news reports.
Obama made a speech a month later mentioning tackling "fake news", declaring it an imminent threat to Democracy.
Shortly after, almost all the Big Tech companies engaged in consulting firms as "fact checkers" for billions of posts flowing through their platforms.
So this journalist did some digging with First Draft to find out who was funding their efforts to tackle "fake news".
The funding game from Google and in particular Eric Schmidt-- Hillary Clintons biggest donor and created First Draft.
This ain't a Bowf Sidez problem. Yes, the NeoCons of the Bush white house have jumped on the coattails. But this was Clinton, Obama, the DNC, and Google/Alphabet, working hand-in-glove with all of the above.
And their big conspiracy was trying to protect people from malicious lies.
Republicans: we will not have this treachery!
Protect from malicious lies, or spread malicious lies? Tony, you aren't a libertarian at all. You're a Democrat in disguise here (a shitty one at that) trying to make yourself look like a libertarian. You don't believe in facts, you spout off whatever propaganda is given you by Team D.
The Big Tech companies claimed that due to massive "public pressure" engaged in the cracking down on fake news... where David Brock (Media Matters) bragged the he was personally responsible for forcing Facebook's hand on this subject.
If you can't win with real news, you don't deserve to win.
So the world of 1984 is just fine with you, Tony. That's nice to know that you're comfortable with Big Brother.
Central figure in taking on "media disinformation".
Or you could take misinformation as an objectively defined thing. The word 'lies' usually works.
There is a universe of facts out there, some easily gotten and some gotten painstakingly over centuries with billions of dollars. Many claims you can only have some fractional credence in. The smartest people get the simplest things wrong, and literally all facts are provisional. It takes study and effort to train your brain to separate bullshit from fact and to understand what count as reliable sources. It's all pretty complicated and can be a lifelong challenge.
Conservatards like all of you people are definitionally those people who are so fucking stupid that not only do you believe whatever nonsense Putin's gremlins shit into your eyeballs or that Murdoch accompanies with some light amygdala-poking, you vote for the most obvious idiot grifter on the planet to be in charge of the nuclear arsenal because he makes the libs feel bad.
Yes we must have government control for misinformation. Capitalism sure as shit isn't doing it, and since the invention of cable news and the internet, misinformation and propaganda are the biggest threats to humanity without qualification.
The problem with government controlling misinformation is that no one trusts the government, in no small part because the government spreads so much misinformation. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/06/06/public-trust-in-government-1958-2022/
Which makes sense when you think about it: how do you expect millions of misinformed voters to digest misinformation and vote for misinformed politicians with misinformed policies that control misinformation in an effective way? Might as well wish upon a star.
As I was saying, your problem is adopting some insane, stupid ideology wherein "government" is some unalterable alien force, and not only that, you openly want people to mistrust it and have every interest in it not working well.
Don't have a bad government. That's like rule 1 of good governance. Vote for good people instead of stupid, insane people. There's obviously no guarantee that you'll have a good government, especially when you vote the way you do.
But as I explained, we don't have a choice but to figure out how to mitigate the misinformation problem. If you elect a bad government, it's not like it's going to refrain from trying to manipulate information. Why would it? Because it is self-aware enough to know its limitations? And do you suppose it will take good governments as role models before it exercises the poor judgment that defines it as a bad government?
"...Don’t have a bad government. That’s like rule 1 of good governance. Vote for good people instead of stupid, insane people. There’s obviously no guarantee that you’ll have a good government, especially when you vote the way you do..."
Hey, shitbag! How about having good weather every day? And ponies and unicorns, too!
Among the governments of which I've read from those who developed writing and became 'historical', the percentage who protected the freedoms of the subject population is vanishingly small.
We had one until, say Wilson; we got a run of over 100 years. Hong Kong got one for ~50 years. The rest? Meh...
We have a small chance to recover, but it would take such shitbags to fuck off and die; please do so, asshole.
When the lefty shit Tony isn't lying, he's fantasizing; drink will do that, see sarcasmic.
Hey, I agree with you about something. No government has ever been adequate with respect to preserving and enhancing individual liberty.
Which is why you want to put a tyrannical strongman in charge, naturally.
“…Which is why you want to put a tyrannical strongman in charge, naturally…”
shitbag lies or offers lefty propaganda; it’s all he ever does. shitbag is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. And too stupid to recognize his propaganda from fact.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
shitbag lies; it’s what he does. shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Suffice to say, loser, I’ve been successful enough to buy and sell your slimy ass several times over.
Fuck off and die, asshole, make your family proud,
I can only imagine what you've squandered that success on. Taxidermy fuck dolls? Endless seas of sniffing glues?
shitbag lies or offers lefty propaganda; it’s all he ever does. shitbag is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. And too stupid to recognize his propaganda from fact.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
shitbag lies; it’s what he does. shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Suffice to say, loser, I’ve been successful enough to buy and sell your slimy ass several times over.
Fuck off and die, asshole, make your family proud, and your dog happy, but please mark the grave so decent people know where to piss.
"I can only imagine what you’ve squandered that success on. Taxidermy fuck dolls? Endless seas of sniffing glues?"
This is what the lying shitbag seems to consider clever repartee'! How............
lame.
Fuck off and die.
As you nervously shuffle a hollowed-out squirrel under your desk.
"As you nervously shuffle a hollowed-out squirrel under your desk."
Drunk? Stupid? Assumes it makes sense?
All three?
Buy and sell, shitbag, but I make it a rule not to deal in damaged goods; you are a prime example.
Fuck off and die, asshole, make your family proud, and your dog happy, but please mark the grave so decent people know where to piss.
Yes, your first step in fixing misinformation with government is getting a government people trust, something that we haven’t had in the US since the end of World War 2.
Good luck!
No one should believe anything the government says.
Everyone should be educated enough to know when to trust what government says and when not to.
And that will be a government education, right?
"Or you could take misinformation as an objectively defined thing. The word ‘lies’ usually works..."
Given that you rarely, if at all, ever post without lying, we will take that as a comment from a well-practiced steaming pile of lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Or maybe I'm not lying and you're a basement-dwelling junkie of rightwing propaganda.
shitbag lies or provided lefty propaganda; it’s all he ever does. shitbag is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar. And too stupid to recognize his propaganda from fact.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
shitbag lies; it’s what he does. shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Suffice to say, loser, I've been successful enough to buy and sell your slimy ass several times over.
Fuck off and die, asshole, make your family proud,
You're a loser and I would block you if the "libertarian" Reason site had a function to do so. Totally lame and a major idiot.
Putin? Why do you even mention him you lying neolib retard?
I mean goodgawd F Obama, but did he lie or did the nasty insurance providers and hospital profit centers lie when the statement was mad you could keep your insurance? I certainly didn't lose mine because I was employed and paying through the nose. The immature anti-statists at "Reason" can't let go of their schtick tho and refuse to compare and contrast the US profit-motive-driven HC system with any other firs OR THIRD world country's LOL. P.S. did I say EFF OBama?
Were you born a brain-dead ignoramus, or did it take years of practice to become one?
Not that it matters; fuck off and die.
Politicians, even ex-Presidents and the government are the biggest source of disinformation. Support the 1st amendment and let the public forum decide what is true and what is false.
Those two absolutely disgust me. The lies from W meant American troops were stuck in Afghanistan for twenty years. Iraq, Syria, Libya, the entire middle east now in chaos and worse, their societies have been nearly destroyed to the point where only radical jihadists are in charge.
Obama is nearly as bad. His decision to interfere in Ukraine as they did has brought the world nearly to the brink of nuclear war. If ever there was a disaster in the making it was Obama's decision to get involved. His health care plan is another disaster that has caused more harm than good.
Both of these sad excuses for human beings are liars, frauds and undeserving of anything except scorn and derision.
9/11 was an inside job.
Absolute agreement! Government wanks know nothing more than the average citizen, yet push into policy to control what they hold in ignorance. Most of our population is suffering from the disinformation that a Covid vaccine will help them, now.
"They want obedient workers.Obedient workers who know just enough to run a machine and fill out some paperwork. What they don't want are people smart enough to figure out how they've been getting f***** in the as for the past thirty f****** years. That's what they don't want." George Carlin
There's an old, true saying: Thise who win the war write the history.
Something that doesn't get said enough: Those who win the election do the censoring.
I say: Let anybody say whatever they want. I'm smart enough to sort through it.
You’re advocating eliminating the crimes of perjury and breach of contract.
Say goodbye to civilization in the criminal Justice system and trade economy as we know them.
Anything goes eh?
In that twilight zone scenario where anything can be said or recorded, history and all knowledge from science and logic becomes meaningless.
For every foundation principle of civilization, there are infinite lies with equal authority to counter them.
Our civilization relies upon the authority of truth.
When a person lies about what they’re going to do, as every politician does for example, in order to get someone else to do something, we don’t find out until it’s too late, if we ever find out, after we’ve done what the liar expected that we had been lied to.
That is the coercive force of lying that compels us under the false authority of truth to act in the liars interest instead of our own.
Lying needs to be criminalized.
Lies and the lying liars that tell them.
Don’t forget the lying fact checkers.
Presidents lecturing about misinformation, that’s rich. Well they are the experts.
I wonder if they’ll address the US led coup in Ukraine in 2014, resulting in the last 8 years of bloody civil war and terrorism launched by the puppet Jew zelenski and his Nazi henchmen?
Do you realize how strange that sounds? Or maybe you don't as you are the resident Holocaust denier/Nazi.
What we needed was a warning about 'disinformation' about Bush and Obama. Obama set the nation back decades when it comes to race relations and black prosperity, yet blacks still listen to him. I guess we get the government we deserve.
Indeed.
The hilarious thing is there were 18 reasons given for the Iraq war, as well as the unspoken reason no idiot has yet figured out. 17 of those 19 were correct, and we found plenty of chemicals and 600 tons of yellowcake, but reality deniers want to pretend that not finding a functional nuke means the war was "for false stories of WMDs."
Oh, the 19th reason? Fighting in Iraq drew a bunch of crazies there, and distracted the press from A-stan, where a lot of slow, quiet intel led to gapping OBL. And we got to build brand new airbases surrounding Iran, to contain that threat.
You’re blaming the victims.
Lying coerces people to make decisions in the liars interest instead of their own.
The cycle of lying /coercion can only be stopped by criminalizing it, like we already necessarily have in court and contracts for environments of justice and trade.
Rational people refute what they deny, as I have, before calling it a lie.
That’s only one difference between us.
Are the Jews in the room with you, right now?