California's Anti-Vaping Ballot Question Isn't About 'Protecting Children'
It's about protecting adults from themselves, which should be none of the government’s business.

Los Angeles Times' columnist George Skelton usually is a sensible guy. But not his latest piece, which calls Proposition 31—a referendum on a law that bans the retail sale of flavored tobacco, including most vaping and smokeless nicotine products—one of the "easiest 'yes' votes you'll ever find." That's because, in his view, it benefits children.
Protecting people from themselves isn't easy—and sometimes the "sensible" policy doesn't make much sense upon closer scrutiny. When it comes to this statewide ballot measure, I prefer the advice of the far more cynical journalist, the late H.L. Mencken, who declared that, "there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong."
Two years ago, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed Senate Bill 793, which imposes that ban to combat "the disturbing rates of teen e-cigarette use," according to its author. The opposition gathered enough signatures to put the matter to voters. That put the law on hold until the November election. With all referenda, a "yes" vote approves the law and a "no" vote rejects it.
The latest polling doesn't look good for the law's opponents. According to a Berkeley IGS poll, 57 percent of likely voters support Proposition 31, with only 31 percent opposed. That's the kiss of death this late in the game, especially with only 12 percent undecided.
Given those numbers, pundits were surprised that former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg—the guy who spent tens of millions of dollars trying to ban sugary soft-drink sales in his home city—dropped $29 million on the "yes" side last month as part of his $160-million national anti-tobacco efforts.
I haven't seen noticeable efforts to engage voters on the "no" side of the issue. Perhaps opponents have recognized that 140 California localities have passed some sort of tobacco flavor ban, making it a tough battle regardless of how Prop. 31 plays out.
That's the politics, but what about the policy? Supporters of reduced-harm products aren't championing Big Tobacco and everyone knows that cigarette smoking is dangerous. But let's use a little common sense rather than emotion. The state already forbids anyone under age 21 from buying nicotine products. SB 793 bans flavored-tobacco sales to adults in an effort to dry up the overall supply.
According to the main British public health agency, vaping is 95 percent safer than smoking combustible cigarettes. A top U.S. Food and Drug Administration official recently admitted that, "e-cigarettes … have markedly less risk than a combustible cigarette product." Sweden has the lowest cancer rates in Europe because Swedes prefer a smokeless (and usually flavored) tobacco pouch known as snus.
When people are addicted to nicotine, they will find some product to satisfy their urge. Yet California is banning the least-dangerous choices but still allowing the sale of the most dangerous ones, which means adult smokers will have limited access to safer (not without some risk, but safer) products that reduce their risk. That isn't sensible at all.
Massachusetts is the only other state to follow this path. A recent peer-reviewed study found its statewide ban resulted in the reduced sale of nearly 30-million packs of cigarettes—but that more than 33-million additional cigarettes were sold over the same period in counties that bordered the state. Massachusetts is small, so its residents drove elsewhere.
It will be harder for Californians to go to other states, but it's extremely difficult to quash demand for an addictive product. People will find a way to get what they want via black markets—or by buying easily available and dangerous smokes. We might at least recognize that, despite their illegality, narcotics aren't hard to find.
What about teens? Recent data shows that teen vaping has fallen since peak levels three years ago. A peer-reviewed study published in Nicotine & Tobacco Research in March found that "if vape product sales were entirely restricted, e-cigarette users were equally likely to switch to cigarettes versus not." Those who are most likely to support flavor bans tended to be less-frequent users or never smokers. These results are not an outlier.
Obviously, no one wants teens to vape, but a sensible policy would enforce age-21 laws while allowing adults access to less-dangerous products.
The ban also applies to menthol cigarettes—a high-risk product that is popular among older African American smokers for a variety of complicated reasons. But, as Reason explained, California's African American youth have low smoking rates, meaning menthol isn't a gateway for youngsters. This ban, which the publication rightly terms "paternalistic," is really about "stopping adults from consuming a disfavored product."
We'll soon see what happens if Proposition 31 passes, but one need only look at the history of any Prohibitionist policy for a clue. Voting for a tobacco ban seems easy, but I'd suggest that a "no" vote is really the true no-brainer way to actually improve public health.
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We all know what the next step will be-a complete ban on all tobacco/nicotine products. Then flavored THC/CBD…But they won’t touch flavored alcohol because elites like their drink.
Still you can't vote on this step based on the next step.
That's psycho
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We all know what the next step will be-a complete ban on all tobacco/nicotine products.
There is a zero-percent chance that happens. The sales tax revenue and MSA money for the next 50 years has already been spent. Besides, this is California, ground zero for "keep your laws off my body". They would never want to look like raging hypocrites.
Responsible grown-ups only have broccoli or kale flavored ice cream. Chocolate, vanilla, and fruit flavors are for children. That's why flavored vapes are so obviously marketed for preteens.
So, my cucumber/kale flavored vape juice should be OK, still?
Cannabinoids are ascendant, so they won't ban flavoring those vapes. Meanwhile why do people keep "conceding" that nicotine vape has any dangers at all? There's no evidence it has any.
Taxes on tobacco are so much higher than the wholesale prices of the products, that the government makes more money from sales within the state than "Big Tobacco" does. Progressive pols don't like smoking, but the idea of costing the government a revenue stream is something they hate even more. If anyone in the CA Dem party had the stones to ban tobacco altogether, they'd have done it 10 years ago.
Does no one get it? Cui bono? Who benefits the most from removing the biggest threat to cig smoking? I mean duh - Altria, Winston Salem, and all the beneficiaries of the tax proceeds from the sales of those cigs.
This has nothing to do with “the kids!” and everything to do with big tobacco getting their way again.
Humans are the dumbest species
For the past 40 years, all US DHHS agencies (including CDC and US SG) and all State & Local Health Departments (because they received CDC block grants) have deceitfully insinuated (and often claimed) that smokefree (i.e. noncombustible) tobacco/nicotine products are just as or even more harmful than cigarette smoking.
But in fact, the scientific and empirical evidence has consistently found that daily use of ALL smokefree tobacco/nicotine products (including chewing tobacco, snuff, vapes and dissolvables) is 99% less harmful than daily cigarette smoking.
Banning flavorings in smokefree tobacco products will encourage some users to switch back to far more harmful cigarettes, and will discourage cigarette smokers from switching to less harmful smokefree alternatives.
Meanwhile, banning menthol cigarettes will significantly reduce state and federal cigarette tax revenue (as one third of cigarettes sold are menthol), will create a new black market for untaxed menthol cigarettes (that will likely be controlled by illegal drug gangs), and will do very little if anything to reduce cigarette consumption.
If CA public health officials truly desired to further reduce cigarette consumption, they'd:
- truthfully inform the public that smokefree tobacco/nicotine products are exponentially less harmful than cigarette smoking,
- encourage cigarette smokers to switch to far less harmful nicotine vapes, dissolvables and/or smokeless tobacco,
- rescind/eliminate the CA tax on all smokefree tobacco products,
and
- rescind/eliminate local and state vaping bans in CA.
Since 2009 when Obama's FDA illegally banned imports of e-cigarettes (which was struck down by US Courts in 2011), the FDA, CDC, US SG all state health departments (due to receipt of CDC block grants) and hundreds of FDA funding recipients have falsely claimed e-cigarettes were gateways to cigarettes for teenagers,
the rate of cigarette smoking by high school students has plummeted from 17% to just 2%.
Furthermore, cigarette smoking rates of young adults (18-24) has dropped from 20% to just 7%.
So while CDC surveys have found that teens and young adults have switched from smoking cigarettes to vaping during the past 15 years, CDC, FDA, US SG, all CDC funded state/local health agencies, and hundreds of FDA funded junk scientists continue to falsely claim e-cigarettes are gateways to cigarettes for teens.
They want the sweet tobacco tax and settlement money. Vaping will upset the apple cart.
It’s not just 99% less harmful, it’s not harmful at all, as far as anyone can prove for vapes and snus. The 99%/95% figures are upward bounds on the possible harmfulness, given by the assumption that there is harm that’s just below what can be detected by the sample sizes studied. It’s also consistent with its being absolutely harmless, and since nobody’s identified harms, why not assume that?
Dry snuff in the nose is occasionally pathogenic.
Nicotine itself has harms associated with it, but then again so does another closely associated chemical known as caffeine.
They aren't the same chemical, I won't pretend they are, but they are both addictive chemicals yet only one of them is presumed to be innately evil. I can give a child Starbucks coffee and no one bats an eye, offer them a vape and I'm a monster.
Which I can sort of understand, kids shouldn't do many if any drugs, but if we're looking to be consistent this smacks of plain-jane retardation.
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It's ONLY purpose...
To boost the EGO'S of the Power-Mad.. (i.e. The Bullies).
"My Body, My Choice" only applies if you're making choices for other people, apparently.
That's ironic, but somehow expected from Progressive idiots.
I won't even bother talking about 'for the children' considering what Progressives think about 'treating' children.
And since this is California, you know it's the Progressives. There are no conservatives in California that actually get a say in anything of any substance. They are a boogeyman in California; often cited but never seen.
How about ban the commercial sale of ALL tobacco products, but make it legal to grow your own for personal use. That would take the money / profit incentive out of selling poison on a corporate scale , while still allowing grown adults to partake of killing themselves slowly as much as they want without it being illegal.
It's early, I haven't had coffee yet.
Files in the ‘Who Cares, it’s California’ bucket
Major irony is that one of the cornerstones of the "case against" vaping is that after 10 years of widespread use, there "isn't enough data to know if it's safe".
California just enacted a law allowing for doctors to be sanctioned by their licensing board for saying the same about a vaccine that the FDA approval paperwork from earlier this year states that there's no significant data regarding safety.
It really seems like the single defining attribute of "progressive" beliefs is that no two of their ideas could coexist in the same thought-space and that there's some kind of expectation that their entire raft of policies and societal changes will somehow each be enacted in a vacuum where no two could ever end up being applied to the same person/situation at the same time.
That tends to happen when you cobble your entire core group of voters out of entirely disparate groups with mutually exclusive goals, needs, and wants.
Half the Democrat party is literally campaigning against the other half and just inserting 'Republican' as a scapegoat.
Multiple-repeating-myself, but: on the subject of recreational chemicals, drugs are the exception for both left and right. "Government regulations should stop you from using unsafe things even if you want to" is a core, foundational "progressive" tenet. Leftists tend to favor drug legalization not out of a love for personal autonomy, but out of nostalgia for the 1960s, and conservatives tend to oppose legalization not because they oppose the free market but because drugs = smelly hippies.
Democrats' desire to restrict vaping is just the latest reversion to pattern.
So my 16 year old is mature enough to make their own decision on whether to have an abortion or have life altering changes through surgery/drugs in order to change "gender", but not mature enough to smoke tobacco, drink alcohol or buy spray paint. Makes sense.
It's a pretty stupid idea to ban something that you can just get online and order from out of state, or go across the nearest border to buy. When I was living in the progressive utopia that is Boulder CO they decided in all of their infinite wisdom to ban all flavored vape products (including the vape juice I use) so the vape stores started selling unflavored vape juice and liquid flavoring that you could add to it to get right back to what you could buy before the ban...genius. But I just ordered mine online since it was cheaper and not taxed to the extreme like everything else in Boulder. Hell their 'sugary drink' tax is so high it more than doubles the price of a 2 liter of soda...so most people just buy their soda the next town over, and while they're at it do all of their grocery shopping there too meaning the city ends up with less tax revenue than it would've collected without their stupid sin tax.
Prop 31 passed with 63% of CA voters (all clueless) endorsing it.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-11-08/2022-california-election-prop-31-ban-flavored-tobacco-results
Nothing like banning the sale of tens of thousands of the least harmful tobacco products (i.e. flavored smokefree products), which primarily protects the world's deadliest consumer product (i.e. cigarettes) legal to sell, advertise and promote.
Smokefree tobacco products are:
- 99% less harmful than cigarettes,
- have helped tens of millions of smokers to quit,
- have reduced teen cigarette smoking in the US to <2%, and
- have reduced young adult (i.e. 18-24) cigarette smoking to 7%.