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Vaccine mandates

NYC Was Wrong To Fire Employees for Being Unvaccinated, Court Says

Plus: ACLU in court over law criminalizing school behavior, Twitter losing heavy users, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 10.26.2022 9:36 AM

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New York City can't penalize its employees for being unvaccinated, a state court says. In a decision published yesterday, Judge Ralph J. Porzio held that city employees who were fired for not being vaccinated against COVID-19 must be reinstated and receive back pay.

"Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19," wrote Porzio in his decision, noting that "as of the day of this Decision, CDC guidelines regarding quarantine and isolation are the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals." The fired employees "should not have been terminated for choosing not to protect themselves," he wrote.

Porzio is a judge for the New York Supreme Court in Richmond County. In New York, there are multiple Supreme Courts and they are not the highest court in the state (that's the Court of Appeals), so Porzio's decision here is not the final word.

Still, it's an encouraging blow against a truly arbitrary and overreaching requirement.

The case stems from order of the city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene. In October 2021, Health Commissioner of New York City Dave Chokshi said all public employees must be vaccinated against COVID-19 or face termination. In December, the commissioner extended the law to apply to employees of private companies and, in March, New York City Mayor Eric Adams issued an executive order exempting some classes of employees.

Then, a group of unvaccinated Department of Sanitation employees fired in February 2022 sued. They argue that the exemption of certain classes of employees makes the whole order arbitrary, capricious, and unconstitutional.

The court agreed. "The Mayor, in issuing [the exempting executive order], made a different decision for similarly situated people based on identical facts," reads Porzio's decision. "There is nothing in the record to support the rationality of keeping a vaccination mandate for public employees, while vacating the mandate for private sector employees or creating a carveout for certain professions, like athletes, artists, and performers. This is clearly an arbitrary and capricious action because we are dealing with the identical unvaccinated people being treated differently by the same administrative agency."

All but one of the fired employees in this suit applied for exemptions from the vaccine mandate, were denied, and were kept in full employment pending a month-long appeal of this decision, the judge pointed out. He suggested this is further evidence of the arbitrary and capricious nature of the order.

"Though vaccination should be encouraged, public employees should not have been terminated for their noncompliance," Porzio wrote. He noted that there was no reason the city couldn't have continued with a vaccinate-or-test scheme.

Because of the arbitrary and capricious nature of the public employee vaccine mandate, it violated the state's equal protection rights under the New York Constitution, the judge concluded. "Granting exemptions for certain classes and selectively lifting of vaccination orders, while maintaining others, is simply the definition of disparate treatment."

"It is clear that the Health Commissioner has the authority to issue public health mandates. No one is refuting that authority," he added. "However, the Health Commissioner cannot create a new condition of employment for City employees. The Health Commissioner cannot prohibit an employee from reporting to work. The Health Commissioner cannot terminate employees."


FREE MINDS

South Carolina law criminalizes obnoxious behavior in schools—"allowing children as young as 7 to be arrested for vague allegations of classroom disruption," the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) says. Since 2016, the ACLU has been in court challenging these statutes—including a disorderly conduct law that criminalizes swearing in schools and a "disturbing schools" law that bans loitering or acting in "an obnoxious manner" in schools. 

Last year, a federal district court struck down the "disturbing schools" law. But the state appealed, and now the ACLU and the ACLU of South Carolina are back in court over it. Oral arguments for the case were heard by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit yesterday.

In South Carolina, being accused of loitering or cursing in school could result in a criminal record.

This deepens the school-to-prison pipeline and disproportionately harms Black students, who are four times more likely than white students to be charged under this law.

— ACLU (@ACLU) October 25, 2022

At the center of the suit—Carolina Youth Action Project v. Alan Wilson—are students who were arrested under the law, including Niya Kenny. A former student at Spring Valley High School in Columbia, South Carolina, Kenny "witnessed a violent, headline-grabbing altercation in her classroom when a school resource officer flipped a classmate over in her desk and dragged her across the room," the ACLU says. "Kenny, who is African-American, spoke up against the officer's actions. She was arrested and hauled off to a detention center."

Here's the opening brief filed by South Carolina Attorney General Alan Wilson, and here's the response from the Carolina Youth Action Project and other plaintiffs. The civil liberties groups argue that the South Carolina law violates the Due Process Clause of the Constitution.


FREE MARKETS

Twitter is losing heavy users. One argument frequently heard by people who want to change antitrust laws to target tech companies is that without intervention major players like Facebook and Twitter will dominate forever. It's unclear to me why government should be in the business of toppling companies just because they're very big or popular. Regardless, the underlying premise of this argument keeps proving itself wrong. New social media platforms—TikTok, BeReal, Gas—keep gaining ground, while Facebook is losing U.S. users. And now it seems like Twitter may be on a downswing too. The company has been losing some of its most active users, Reuters reported yesterday. The platform's "heavy tweeters" have been using it less and less since 2020.

A Twitter spokesperson told Reuters: "Our overall audience has continued to grow, reaching 238 million mDAU [monetizable daily active users] in Q2 2022."

But a decrease in activity by heavy users—defined as those who log in at least six days per week and tweet at least three or four times per week—may nonetheless hint at trouble. According to Reuters, these heavy users make up around just 10 percent of overall users but generate 90 percent of tweets and around half of the company's revenue.


QUICK HITS

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"The letter was drafted several months ago, but unfortunately was released by staff without vetting. As Chair of the Caucus, I accept responsibility for this." pic.twitter.com/iPKdHRllRz

— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) October 25, 2022

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• "On Tuesday, a Russian court upheld WNBA player Brittney Griner's nine-year sentence on marijuana possession charges," notes Reason's Emma Camp.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    New York City can't penalize its employees for being unvaccinated...

    Adams will take that challenge.

    1. Overt   3 years ago

      Hey look, a Judge that Gets It. And in NY of all places.

      The government certainly is not moral when it argues to force people to protect themselves. The next step is in people understanding that it is immoral to force others to get medical procedures in order to protect you from a natural pathogen. But baby steps, baby.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        The government certainly is not moral when it argues to force people to protect themselves.

        Especially when it's otherwise a "may issue" state when it comes to people trying to protect themselves.

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      2. Claptrap   3 years ago

        It's Richmond County, aka Staten Island - the last redoubt of the old White Ethnics and the NYC GOP (for now - they've been decamping for FL and NJ for two generations). It's a strange place.

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          last redoubt of the old White Ethnics and the NYC GOP

          Like the Soviets in Kiev circa 1941

  2. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    "Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19," wrote Porzio in his decision...

    MISINFORMATION!

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      100% safe and effective with no downsides.

      1. HorseConch   3 years ago

        The NY Supreme Court is literally killing people by saying it doesn't prevent contraction or transmission.

      2. Unable2Reason   3 years ago (edited)

        Makes an excellent gargle ̲a̲n̲d̲ eliminates hemorrhoids!

        1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

          And not a tiger in sight!

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          A desert topping and a floor wax.

        3. Ecoli   3 years ago

          Gargling and hemorrhoids should never be connected.

      3. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        I know you're being facetious but my nephew (an otherwise healthy 26 year old) developed myocarditis from the vaccine - which is an apparent bonus feature for males under 40 what get punctured.

        This government needs to be sent off to have a good time at Belsen where it will be such a gas

        1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

          If he wants to get his story out let me know!

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            I'll talk to him. The myocarditis issue just happened about 2 weeks ago and he is still talking to specialists and the like.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Amazing how much people were censored for turned out to be true.

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Conspiracy Theory is just slang for spoiler alert.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          It is funny watching all the usual leftists here now claim they were never repeating the false science of government and were never for these actions.

          1. Sevo   3 years ago

            JFree hardest hit.

            1. JFree   3 years ago

              Cite ONE post where I favored either vaccine mandates or people being fired/not allowed in public places/etc for being unvax.

              What I said, after the vax was clearly available to everyone, was that IF hospitals were full, then the unvax should not be treated there for covid symptoms. However harsh that remains exactly the option that puts the cost-shifting of covid to those who can make a choice re the covid vaccine. No free-loading.

              1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

                Except now it is clear that the vax didn't work and the unvaxxed were in no more danger of spreading the stuff or in most cases dying of it than the vaxxed. Not only is your position immoral and fucking disgusting, but it also doesn't even line up with the facts as we know them now to be.

                Jesus Christ you are disgusting. Did you get a hard on when you wrote "hat IF hospitals were full, then the unvax should not be treated there for covid symptoms." I bet you did, you sick fuck.

                1. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

                  THIS!

                2. JFree   3 years ago

                  Except now it is clear that the vax didn’t work

                  The only thing that is clear is that you conspiracy nutjobs and antivaxxers have dropped into your own little rabbithole of an alternative reality. Yes the vax works and there is more than enough REAL information about the disease, the vaccine, and the side-effects - for people to make informed decisions - if you asswipes weren't continually - and even now - attempting to deceive people with the bullshit and lies you spew.

                  and the unvaxxed were in no more danger of spreading the stuff

                  I never thought that was an important issue except possibly for those who work in hospitals and nursing homes or such.

                  or in most cases dying of it than the vaxxed.

                  And this is exactly what my proposal dealt with. Not the direct odds of dying but the odds of hospitalization. Hospitalization is exactly where the costs shift to someone else. Hospitalization (or lack thereof) is what changes the odds of dying of covid. And it is when hospitals and ICU's are full, that a covid patient - an epidemic - and a heart - chronic - patient compete for limited resources.

                  We chose not to do what I wanted us to do from the beginning - build up temporary and emergency medical capacity to deal specifically with this pandemic. So my proposal re hospitals is exactly the ONLY solution for when a temporary emergency epidemic starts clashing with hospital capacity that is built for chronic and actuarially predictable demand.

                  1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

                    The only thing that is clear is that you conspiracy nutjobs and antivaxxers have dropped into your own little rabbithole of an alternative reality. Yes the vax works and there is more than enough REAL information about the disease, the vaccine, and the side-effects – for people to make informed decisions – if you asswipes weren’t continually – and even now – attempting to deceive people with the bullshit and lies you spew.

                    Pfizer admits that the vaccine wasn't tested for and wasn't intended to stop the spread of the virus. Stop fucking lying.

                    https://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/news/pfizer-admits-covid-vaccine-was-never-meant-to-stop-transmission

                    I never thought that was an important issue except possibly for those who work in hospitals and nursing homes or such.

                    Bullshit. Moreover, if they were in no danger of spreading it, they were no threat to anyone else and you have no justification to require the vaccine or punish anyone for not getting it. You just gave away your own argument.

                    Not the direct odds of dying but the odds of hospitalization. Hospitalization is exactly where the costs shift to someone else. Hospitalization (or lack thereof) is what changes the odds of dying of covid. And it is when hospitals and ICU’s are full, that a covid patient – an epidemic – and a heart – chronic – patient compete for limited resources.

                    Even if this were true, being overweight or old increased those odds as well. By your logic fat people or people who smoked should have been denied treatment. That is where that slippery slope leads. But you don't mind that because you are a disgusting amoral person who thinks people's lives are valued by money.

                    Fuck you, you pathetic fascist piece of shit.

                  2. Unable2Reason   3 years ago (edited)

                    “Yes the vax works and there is more than enough REAL information about the disease, the vaccine, and the side-effects …”

                    Where on earth are you getting your information? The fatality rate of the disease was a lie, the jab didn’t prevent the spread or transmission, and the side effects have been massively concealed to prevent “vaccine hesitancy”. Some people have been proven to have died from the jab, goober. Hopefully, the next administration will blow the lid off all the lies and set up some sort of truth & reconciliation committee to ferret out what really happened.

                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                      One thing we'll never really know is how many people actually died from COVID, or were just deaths that were reported that way because the hospitals had a monetary incentive to declare them as such.

                      For people who think they wouldn't do such an unethical thing, I refer you to the Vanderbilt hospital official who bragged about how much money they can make over several years time from treating transgender surgery patients.

                3. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

                  We knew those facts back when JFree was pimping leaving unvaxxed people out of the hospital, but he wasn't interested in listening.

                  1. Nardz   3 years ago

                    Jfree deserves to be beaten to death.

              2. HorseConch   3 years ago

                And since there doesn't seem to be any true measure of effectiveness for the vaccines, go ahead and guess who's protected and use the beds for them instead of the ones that think they are protected. Do I need 7 boosters to be considered smart enough to save?

                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                  No, you just need to show the right Party card. Kinda like a hybrid political-medical HMO, and staying in-network.

              3. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

                'IF hospitals were full, then the unvax should not be treated there for covid symptoms.' This is clearly a much better stance than being for vaccine mandates, or for keeping the unvaccinated out of public. Simply deny basic health care because some people did not meet your expectations. You risibly call it free-loading, when basic health care is free via taxpayer funds, and emergency healthcare is almost never denied. There was no obligation to get any of the experimental vaccines except the obligation you and yours were trying to create with your scenario of denied healthcare. Healthcare for a disease your in-group insist is lethal. This is why you get, and deserve no respect here.

                1. JFree   3 years ago

                  I'm not denying basic health care or any specialty or emergency care. I said SPECIFICALLY care for COVID. And only when hospital capacity is full.

                  There were roughly 15-25 million excess deaths worldwide during the dangerous part of the covid pandemic (roughly 2020 and 2021 here in the US). Most of those deaths occurred in places where there was no vax, little hospital capacity, no testing, little awareness the disease was even present at any specific time, etc. Basically where your preferred 'this is all natural' ignorance was in fact the policy of governments. But in the US we still had about 1 million excess deaths - and 825,000 attributed to covid - in that time. There were many excess deaths - non-covid - mostly during those waves when hospitals broke in different places because of covid. Those were mostly unnecessary. If you don't think any of this matters, that isn't a feature of 'libertarian' philosophy. It is solely a feature of nihilists being assholes in order to start arguments based on lies.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                    Cite? No hospitals "broke" because of Covid in the US.

                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    There were many excess deaths – non-covid – mostly during those waves when hospitals broke in different places because of covid.

                    No hospitals "broke" because of COVID. The dumbshit hospitals laid off their staff and ended up being short-staffed for waves, but at no time was any hospital overflowing with COVID patients. In fact, available room for beds was always under capacity.

                    Those excess deaths were caused by people not getting sufficient healthcare due to the hospitals stupidly laying off their staff.

              4. JesseAz   3 years ago

                I notice you didn't even respond to the portion of my comment about pushing The Science. Quite funny.

                Also you just cited yourself as having done so. Make people fear they are risk for medical conditions if not vaccinated. Quite an ask from you.

              5. Unable2Reason   3 years ago

                If the hospitals are full and the jab works, then the moral thing to do is discharge all of the jabbed (the free-loading bastards!) since they're protected...right?

                1. JFree   3 years ago

                  They generally weren't IN hospital for covid then. The vax WORKS.

                  1. Nardz   3 years ago

                    Hahahahahahahaha

                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

                    No, it doesn't. I got vaxxed and still caught it.

                    1. retiredfire   3 years ago

                      So did I.
                      So did Fauchi
                      So did Biden.
                      So did Walenski.
                      Shit, we could probably fill up this whole comment section with

                      "You knw who else got jabbed and caught the grippe?"

              6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago (edited)

                “…… the unvax should not be treated there for covid symptoms.”

                Pretty sure you didn’t want the “unvax” treated for anything, not just covid, bitch.

        2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          Nice. Haaaa...borrowing that one

      2. Weigel's Cock Ring   3 years ago

        Also amazing how a bunch of fugazis who have the nerve to try to pass themselves as libertarians initially fully supported the scumbags Fauci, Wolensky, and Imperial College of London in locking down the world and punishing dissenters, and now sort of try to pretend that they really didn't.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          It is amazing how the reason staff can seemingly be devoid of any sense of shame or remorse. They will just act like it didn't happen. Lockdowns? Censorship? Forced vaccination? Well, I was never for that stuff.

          It is as scary as it is infuriating.

          1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

            It's the style. Ignore anything that is inconvenient or might be detrimental to narrative/worldview. Pretend not to hear questions. Don't reply to email messages. Act as if statements one made were not made, as if the points one brought up were not brought up or that they meant something other than what the words mean. It's an online culture thing, but also a politician, academe, behavior. Being biased, I see more of the 'left' engaging in the behavior, but the right are not guiltless.

            1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

              The right is not guiltless at all. One thing the rise of the internet has taught me is that the right can be as stupid and dishonest as the left. The left is worse, but the right is not guiltless.

          2. Nardz   3 years ago

            Only appropriate response is violence. "Mostly peaceful" of course

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Be fair! It's tough to be a "libertarian" and accept personal risk and responsibility (and contradict cocktail party hosts).

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      You can still get banned from YouTube for repeating this.

    4. Overt   3 years ago

      No, according to Mike, the Vaccine would have stopped the spread and variants if it weren't for those meddling MAGA Heads*. You see, it wasn't that it is a fool's errand to try and vaccinate away a heavily contagious, constantly evolving virus that infects cats and deer. No the problem is political- specifically Mike's political OTHERS.

      https://reason.com/2022/02/02/can-the-medical-innovations-used-to-fight-covid-19-finally-defeat-hiv/?comments=true#comment-9336124

      * DISCLAIMER: As Mike is one to nitpick the meaning of "is", and accuse people of lying if he can find some slightly different interpretation of his words, let me be clear that I am paraphrasing him with hyperbole, but that the general gist of that is accurate. He claimed that the vaccines could have helped solve the pandemic and then blamed "partisan morons" for it not working.

      1. Claptrap   3 years ago

        He insists in that post that “no one ever claimed the vaccine was perfect” but above he is ACTUALLY CLAIMING that had we just all vaccinated, the vaccine would have perfectly stopped the virus.

        Technically correct: the mRNA vaccines were advertised as ~90% effective against contracting and an additional ~90% effective against complications. Not perfect, so he's right as always.

        Of course, the quality of the data underlying these claims being somewhere between "terribly rushed" and "nakedly fraudulent" never enters the equation. Nor should it.

        1. Overt   3 years ago

          Mike was claiming "Nobody claimed they were perfect" in response to people saying the vaccine did not successfully end the pandemic, as had been promised a year earlier. And later in that same thread, he repeated that same promise- that the vaccine could have stopped the spread if only those meddling MAGAs had gotten it.

          He trying to have it both ways- the Vaccines were a miracle that could have stopped the pandemic, and no one ever promised they would stop the pandemic.

    5. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Sedition! Heresy! Burn him!

    6. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

      "Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19,"

      Are we still supposed to believe that the shots and “boosters” are supposed to make infection less severe? Or is TheScience still clinging to that bullshit as well.

      Maybe wait a couple months, we’ll see.

      1. retiredfire   3 years ago

        Well, everyone, of note, who contracted the virus, after getting all of the recommended jabs, makes that claim, and profusely thanks the jab for doing that.
        Of course, those are the ones who get the best and fastest of the available palliative treatments, which might have been sufficient without the DNA altering "vaccine".
        The simple fact is that no one can know just how bad the progression of the sickness would have been, if the person wouldn't have had the jab.
        Plenty of "unvaccinated" caught it and had very little in the way of severe symptoms, if any.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    They argue that the exemption of certain classes of employees makes the whole order arbitrary, capricious, and unconstitutional.

    Lol, where have they been.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

      Taking shelter in their basements, and now are probably a little testy that no one sounded the all clear siren.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    Though vaccination should be encouraged, public employees should not have been terminated for their noncompliance...

    The certain death that is unvaccinated COVID infection should be punishment enough.

    1. Eeyore   3 years ago

      That allows some of the heretics to live. Must burn them all. Must keep society pure.

  5. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "South Carolina law criminalizes obnoxious behavior in schools"

    The ACLU needs to be careful. As a nonbinary (they / them) person I file "misgendering" under "obnoxious behavior." Elementary school kids who fail to honor neopronouns should absolutely be arrested.

    #LGBT2SQIA+

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Kids in cages!

    2. HorseConch   3 years ago

      As a they/them, does your ladydick sometimes identify itself as a man one?

    3. Jerry B.   3 years ago

      “acting in "an obnoxious manner" in schools.”

      Teachers and administrators hardest hit.

      1. Philadelphia Collins   3 years ago

        Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Look it up.

    4. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Lighten up, Francis.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    The company has been losing some of its most active users...

    Trump reply guys got no place else to go!

    1. Eeyore   3 years ago

      What kind of successful business is built around banning your most successful content creators? Content creators that do it for free by the way. Seems designed for failure.

  7. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "What can we expect from new U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak?"

    Hopefully not LITERAL FASCISM like we're getting from that Italian lady.

    #OpenBorders
    #(ExceptForIsrael)

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      He is WEF and Davis adjacent. No worries there.

    2. HorseConch   3 years ago

      That lady sucks. I'm surprised there are any Italians left.

    3. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      Genocide is so 20th Century. The Yutes don't want it.

      What we want is fascism without the blood and gut spilling. Like Hungary with Orban.

      MAKE HUNGARY ARYAN AGAIN!

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled pile of shit and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

      2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        Remember, Shrike is a George Soros fan. Soros was a Hitler Youth and one of the few actual Nazi party members still alive. When other teenagers were aiding the resistance, George was plundering Jewish homes.

        Remember that when he tries to pretend that George's mortal enemy Orban is the Nazi.

      3. Overt   3 years ago

        A few years back SPB posted kiddy porn to this site, and his initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead SPB keeps showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get him to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.

        https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836

        Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.

      4. Claptrap   3 years ago

        MAKE HUNGARY ARYAN AGAIN!

        Psst... the Magyars aren't...

        Oh, never mind.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          turd IS a liar.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Heh, that's right. Good eye, I missed that. Hungarian is a Uralic language, not Indo-European (Aryan).

          Shrike's lack of education is his biggest problem.

          1. Claptrap   3 years ago

            They're a fascinating bunch, genetically - essentially a bunch of intermingled Germans and Slavs speaking the language of steppe horse lords. There's also a minority that are a bit more "pure" than others and they've got a really exotic look to them (I went to school with one - she looked almost Turkish).

            Dumbing the national neuroses of an isolated and uniquely constituted ethnolinguistic state down to a Shrike-level really does the whole thing a disservice.

            1. perlmonger   3 years ago

              It's because they're related to Uralic Siberians, basically. The Magyars were the tribe that said "Y'know what, we could move somewhere warmer" about 3000 years ago... 😀

              And then there were some who moved to Finland, instead. Go figure.

          2. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

            I doubt education would make any difference. There is not much evidence supporting a link between education and not being an ignorant biased dickhead like SPB or rak. In fact, there seems to be a pretty heavy correlation between education and being an ignorant biased bigot like those two or any of the more vocal chattering class.

      5. Eeyore   3 years ago

        The green energy genocide is coming.

  8. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

    Completely off topic.

    My party took three whitetail deer and one raghorn elk last week. Had a chance on a big black bear, but it made it to the treeline before I could get a shot off. A great week and meat for a calendar year.

    How'd everyone else do?

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      I had a cheeseburger yesterday.

    2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      turns out the grocery stores here did not shut down - - - - - - - - - -

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Congratulations on a successful hunt.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Turns out he was at the zoo.

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          Well, getting all the meat out of the zoo before being acosted is a pretty impressive feat.

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            All the screaming kids had to be a distraction.

            1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

              Okay, THAT was fuckin' funny. 🙂

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

                LOL

    4. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      4 hunters:
      4 antelope
      3 mule deer
      2 elk (6×6 and 5x5)
      Wyoming

      1. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

        Jesus. You guys crushed it.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

          Thanks, best year yet. Though we have private access for the antelope so that is kind of like cheating.

    5. Overt   3 years ago

      3rd season doesn't start for another couple weeks in Colorado.

    6. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      Missed, due to inattention, the time for black powder tag lottery here. I usually only hunt bow and muzzleloader, and still/stalk. Then, with the tragic combined hot air balloon & boating accident leading to the loss of my firearms, I would need to stick to those seasons... Elk is good eating, congratulations.

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        with the tragic combined hot air balloon & boating accident leading to the loss of my firearms

        Are we allowed to ask for the backstory on that?

    7. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Great haul there! I hope it keeps the freezer full and provides many pelts!

    8. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

      Raided two dungeons and advanced my monk to level 60! All without ever leaving the basement!

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        Ok...firstly, there is NO WAY you accumulated enough XP to move any monk, even in the AD&D canon up in "raiding two dungeons" unless your raiding party was yourself and a bunch of cannon fodder which charged in and absorbed all the HP dispensed from traps, monsters and NPCs.

        Try that Keep On The Borderlands nonsense for people who still think halfling is both a skill and a class

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Damn, Zodiac going all alpha nerd on people.

          1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

            Come on bro....it's like saying someone took out a tank by jamming a crowbar into its drive sprocket

            1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

              I didn't say you were wrong.

              1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago (edited)

                😀

    9. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago (edited)

      My party and I took 3 steaks in a package, and then my son bagged some previously frozen prawns and chicken cordon bleu from the butcher’s case. Then I got some kale and chevre to serve with it

      I almost bagged a package of Al Pastor meat but I decided to get tacos from Mi Sinaloa Lindo before I got into the checkout line, so I guess that counts as a miss

  9. Fist of Etiquette   3 years ago

    On Tuesday, a Russian court upheld WNBA player Brittney Griner's nine-year sentence on marijuana possession charges...

    What kind of evil country still locks people away for such a benign, victimless act?

    1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      It's not like she was doing something unforgivable like parading or tresspassing, those are capitol offenses.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Or being unvaccinated.

  10. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    “The word chemistry. You meet somebody and you have a good chemistry,” Trump added about the North Korean leader. “You meet a woman. In one second, you know whether or not it’s all going to happen.”
    Woodward had asked Trump about his relationship with Kim and told the former president that the CIA thinks Kim is “ultimately stupid” — to which Trump answered the North Korean leader was “cunning” and “crafty.”
    During his presidency, Trump met personally with Kim and pushed for peace talks between the U.S., North Korea and South Korea.
    Trump also reportedly exchanged what he called “love letters” with the North Korean leader, who has ramped up his aggression against the U.S. and test fired a record spate of ballistic missiles this year.

    The political love story for the ages.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/media/3702760-trump-told-woodward-he-had-chemistry-with-north-koreas-kim/

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Maybe Biden could meet with Federman in PA? Seems like they would have great chemistry.

      I mean between the two of them, they almost have 1 complete functional brain. Almost

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        You think voters value intelligence? Since when?

        Dude, you're fucked up.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Since you vote, we know you don't value intelligence. You ain't got any.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            VOTE FER HERSCHEL ! HE IS ONE OF THE GOOD UN'S !!!

            1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

              It's because he's black, right?

            2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

              You know, if you want to be taken seriously, all caps is definitely the way to go.

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

                if you want to be taken seriously, all caps is definitely the way to go.

                Are you that fucking stupid? My ALL CAPS posts are Trump-tard talk. You idiots actually say these things.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                  Because you are so good at paying attention. Maybe you should try reading the comments instead of shouting like a twit. No one here actually says those things, except you. Yes, just you (and maybe Sqrlsy). You have got to be the least self-aware commenter here, and that includes Mike, Jeffy, and Tony.

                  1. Sevo   3 years ago

                    turd lies; it's what turd does.

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  "My ALL CAPS posts are Trump-tard talk"

                  So why no quotation marks?

            3. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

              Love the inherent racism in your comment. Well done!

      2. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

        Hi. Good Night everybody.

        1. MK Ultra   3 years ago

          He should have immediately walked off the stage after saying that. It would have been a much better outcome for him than the rest of the debate

      3. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Wouldn't you need Kamala there to get to one fully functioning brain?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago (edited)

          Sure she even has a tenth of a functioning brain? Fetterman, Biden, and Harris might make 9/10s of a functioning brain together.

    2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      Still doing #DefendBidenAtAllCosts Category A: change the subject (to Trump)?

      I appreciate the effort but you've been neglecting Category C: appeal to esoteric data points. Maybe give us a rig count update to prove the Biden economy is the best ever?

      #LibertariansForBiden

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Okay, data point. We have not looked at gold prices lately. I'm sure Bidenflation is making prices soar.

        Gold price ending the week on solid footing above $1,650 but bearish sentiment remains firm
        Neils Christensen Neils Christensen
        Friday October 21, 2022 13:36

        WTF? How can gold be down nearly $300 since Biden stole the presidency?

        BUY YER GOLD BOYS!!! ITS HAPERINFLATION TIME !!!!! YER DOLLAR IS NO GOOD !!!!!

        1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

          There you go!

          A clever mix of #DefendBidenAtAllCosts Category C (esoteric data points) and #DefendBidenAtAllCosts Category B (all caps catchphrases).

          I cannot WAIT to talk about gold prices next time I hear some middle aged person whine about their investments doing worse under Biden than under Trump. 🙂

          #BestEconomyEver

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            Why yes, now you are learning.

            Know your audience. You don't mention gold on the Home FixIt Show. You might slip in an obscure reference to lumber. Well, lumber is back down to 2017 levels.

            Fuck it, just use Spittin' Tobacky. It always works. Backy prices never fall - government taxes and other shit.

            MAH RED MAN IS SKY HIGH CUZ OF BIDEN !!!

            That is how it is done.

            1. Sevo   3 years ago

              turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago (edited)

              With your prose and your way with thinking and language, you would get along with Fetterman quite well.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

                Hey now, with his sexual preferences, he could get along with Biden well too.

        2. Super Scary   3 years ago

          Glad to hear gold is up, I guess...but I can't eat gold, put gold in my gas tank or heat my apartment with gold. All those things are more expensive than they were a few years ago.

    3. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      “You meet a woman. In one second, you know whether or not it’s all going to happen.”

      Speaking of which, it’s quite interesting that Trump lawyer and constant travel companion, Alina Habba, is now dressing and wearing her hair similarly to Melania and Trump’s ex-wives.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Why is that in anyway interesting?

        1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

          It is interesting if all you think about is Trump.

          1. JesseAz   3 years ago

            Don't think it is even interesting then.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Lil' Kim may sport that same wig for Donnie when they go out together and discuss how to suppress the media and smother democracy.

        1. HorseConch   3 years ago

          I'm assuming you prefer your dates go with a "younger" look.

          1. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

            Like baby teeth?

      3. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

        Wow, that's so cringy that you find that interesting. Is there a time in your day when you don't think about Trump?

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Got it. Cannot think about Trump, even though he is leading the polls as the likely GOP candidate in 2024.

          1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

            Ironic your takeaway is still focused on Trump. Man, he really broke you. When 2024 comes around and Trump isn't in the race, will you still devote all of your time to thinking about him?

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Won't spend any time if he's not in the race.

              What makes you think he won't be in the race. He's out holding rallies, is leading in the polls, and is strongly hinting he's going to run.

              1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                He won't run again because his ego can't risk it. Losing once, he's able to blame the false canard of "stolen election!" If he lost twice, that excuse isn't there anymore. Moreover, he really can't risk the ego hit of losing in the primary, which is highly likely to happen.

                And the reason he keeps acting like he will run is because those actions keep him in the money and in the attention. The instant he says he's not running in 2024 is the instant his political fame dries up.

          2. Brian   3 years ago

            You can talk about Trump, but… wardrobe and hair?

            I don’t even know where to check on that. Glamour Magazine?

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              You missed the point.

              It's not about hair and wardrobe. There are strong signs he is grooming Mrs. Trump #4.

              1. R Mac   3 years ago

                Moron.

              2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                Good lord.

      4. Brian   3 years ago

        Is this the People Magazine take on the news?

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          Got it. Not allowed to discuss Trump’s personal life.

          1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago (edited)

            It’s funny you write this in a condescending way in the comments of an article that has nothing to do with Trump and is about vaccine firings in NY.

            Are you really this blind to your own fixations?

            1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

              Double check the dashed lines showing which thread we are on here.

              It's in a thread where Buttplug started out talking about the love between Trump and Kim: "The political love story for the ages."

              1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago (edited)

                Ah, so you jump into someone else’s non-sequitur Trump fixation post to post your own non-sequitur fixations with Trump? I gotcha. That doesn’t help your case.

    4. Ronbback   3 years ago

      Sometimes talking nicely to people works even with evil world leaders and yea Kim would have to be crafty and cunning to stay in power just like most dictators. Ever heard the phrase catch more flies with honey

      1. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

        Who wants flies?

        Anywho, did Trump grab L'il Kim by the pussy?

  11. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "NEW: Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal says in a statement they're withdrawing their Ukraine letter."

    ROFL

    I've been saying for years that what passes for "the Left" in the US is, in fact, just another cog in the billionaire-friendly, neocon-approved Democratic Party establishment. People vote for the likes of AOC and call themselves "democratic socialists" more as a lifestyle branding exercise than as a genuine attempt to upset the status quo.

    #VoteDemocratToHelpWeaponsManufacturers

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      #LetsDropTheBigOne

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        I dropped the big one yesterday. I, uh... shit... you not, it looked like a scorpion tail the way it wrapped around the bowl.

        1. Brian   3 years ago

          I pooped yesterday, too!

          1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

            So did Uncle Joe...

            in his pants yet again.

    2. Jerry B.   3 years ago

      “I’ve been saying for years that what passes for “the Left” in the US is, in fact, just another cog in the billionaire-friendly, neocon-approved Democratic Party establishment.”

      And that’s a good thing. Right?

  12. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Talk about cash cow. Masectomies under the guise if transgender care have increased 400% the last 3 years.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/adolescent-chest-reconstruction-surgeries-increase-nearly-400-in-us-report

    And mike.... masectomies are different from breast tissue reduction.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Boobs are so last year.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        If one were interested in speculating about the future of silicon breast implants, how would one go about capitalizing on that? Without getting a medical degree that is.

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Plastic surgeons that get these referrals making a killing. Same with big pharma and counselors that specialize in gender weirdness care.

      But we should totally take their word on this being absolutely necessary, because they are clearly unbiased scientists trying to get to the bottom of things, not dedicated activists or directly profiting

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        It is nice seeing consumers of group plans and taxpayers pay for elective surgeries of others too.

      2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

        It's literally the medical field's version of a subscription service.

        1. genXer   3 years ago

          Damn, that’s disturbingly accurate.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        It's turned into a real cottage industry. The troons therapist-shop until they find someone who will give them The Letter saying they need HRT and surgery. Then the hospitals make a killing on the hormone blockers and replacements, the surgery, the multiple after-surgeries, and god knows how many other kinds of post-surgery drugs. Then the therapists make money "counseling" these psychos.

    3. Overt   3 years ago

      The biggest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

      It gets increasingly difficult to pass these people off as "well intentioned but wrong" when they deliberately institute these Orwellian redefinitions. Notice that a pre-teen girl having her breasts removed is now called "Chest Reconstruction". A Mastectomy is "reconstruction"?

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

        More of a deconstruction, amiright?

  13. JimboJr   3 years ago

    "NEW: Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal says in a statement they're withdrawing their Ukraine letter."

    So the most progressive people on the left are fully on board with the war effort, and dont dare speak up against it.

    Can we stop pretending the dems have any credentials in the "anti-war" category now? Dont we have enough evidence that they are just a different flavor of neocon?

    1. Ersatz   3 years ago (edited)

      spiritual heirs to cindy sheehan

      you just have to know when to turn it on...
      you know
      when it helps your team

  14. JesseAz   3 years ago

    Incoming plastic shortage.

    Stacey Abrams is Available for Pre-order Today
    .
    Yep. Today’s the big day. As of now, you can preorder Stacey Abrams! It’s been a loooong time since we released a new figure and we couldn’t be happier about the newest addition to our action figure family!
    .
    PERFECT DISPLAY & SIZE: At 6 inches tall, Stacey Abrams and all of our action figures are portable! Bring them on adventures to get the perfect photo, or pose them to stand proudly on any flat surface. You can purchase this Stacey Abrams action figure for someone who adores her.
    CAREFULLY SCULPTED & PROTOTYPED: The Stacey Abrams Action Figure was carefully sculpted by our good friend Mike Leavitt, a Seattle-based artist and activist. Like Mike’s fine art pieces, the figures are one part product and one part social commentary, exploring who we idolize in contemporary culture and how we do it.

    https://redstate.com/alexparker/2022/10/25/christmas-comes-early-stacey-abrams-gets-her-own-action-figure-n648938

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      What? A Stacey Abrams lawn ornament?

      It works best with a Confederate flag.

      1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

        Like a lawn jockey?

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        fuck off and die, asshole.

    2. Idaho Bob   3 years ago

      "to our action figure family!"

      Abrams as an action figure?!? LOL

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        She has a kung fu grip on the 2018 election.

    3. HorseConch   3 years ago

      This may be the hottest product launch since the Trumpy Bear.

    4. Super Scary   3 years ago

      Not enough points of articulation; might as well be a figurine if all it can do with raise its arms and twist its hands. Lego figures have more than that.

    5. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      And I thought collecting Funko Dolls was a weird hobby. 🙂

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        I have a Funko doll for Kyler Murray, it is already worth double what I paid. Can quadruple or more if I ever get motivated to get it signed.

        Sometimes they can be an odd investment. Daughter wants an original Sailor Moon Funko, check out their prices on Amazon.

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          Do they have one for Johnny Johnson?

        2. Nardz   3 years ago

          Better cash in quick, because Kyler... is not headed toward greatness

  15. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

    Apparently it was a rather terrible debate in Pennsylvania last night.

    https://nypost.com/2022/10/26/pennsylvania-gov-fetterman-struggles-in-senate-debate-against-dr-mehmet-oz/

    “Whoever decided to let Fetterman debate should never be involved in Democratic politics ever again,” pronounced Elections Daily editor-in-chief Eric Cunningham.

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      https://thefederalist.com/2022/10/26/allowing-john-fetterman-to-run-for-senate-is-just-abusive/

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        Fetterman is the price the Democrats pay for controlling the media. If someone in Fetterman's condition were a Republican, they would have been laughed out of the primaries. Since Fetterman is a Democrat, no one was allowed to point out the obvious fact that he is a drooling idiot who should be in some kind of assisted living facility, and he won the nomination for Senate. I know the Democrats have a very weak bench, but it is hard to believe there were not candidates in the Democratic Primary who could at least speak in complete sentences and pretended to be a Senator. Thanks to the media always being willing to lie for a Democrat, they didn't get one of those candidates. They got Fetterman and likely Senator Oz as a result.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

          If someone in Fetterman’s condition were a Republican, they would have been laughed out of the primaries.

          Oh bullshit. Herschel is a fucking blithering idiot and the GOP has elevated him to a Senate Gawd.

          LOOK HERSCHEL CAN OUT DEBATE STEPHEN HAWKING! HAWKING DON'T MAKE A BIT OF SENSE TALKING INTO A CAN !!!

          1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

            Hershal Walker is doing quite well and by all accounts won the debate last week. You think he is stupid because he is black. Thankfully, most people are not racist pieces of shit like you and see Walker for who he is.

            It is just going to kill you to see that uppity Negro in the Senate isn't it. First Tim Scott and now this. No matter how hard you people try those damn Negros just don't know their place.

            God you are disgusting.

            1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

              Anyone who casts football players as stupid has never memorized a playbook.

              1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago (edited)

                Amen to that. Seriously…..they are not 'light reading' by any stretch

            2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

              HERSCHEL ONE OF THE GOOD UN'S. HE WILL VOTE FER OUR JIM CROW AGENDA. HE DON'T KNOW NO BETTER.

              1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

                There are 33 Republicans running for Senate but the only one you ever bitch about is the black one. Everyone sees what a racist piece of shit you are. And no one has forgotten your endless bitching about Clearance Thomas's white wife. You are a straight up old school racist Democrat.

              2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                It's funny how you think you look like the smart one with comments like these. The irony is glorious.

          2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            So racist.

            1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

              There are 33 Republicans running for Senate. Indeed, Fetterman's Republican opponent is a reality TV star and ripe for ridicule and questioning his intelligence. Shreek goes for the black guy in Georgia. Yeah, it is the black guy who is dumber than the stroke victim who literally can't carry on a simple conversation without help.

              Like I say above, it is going to kill him to see another black man in the Senate if Walker wins, which it looks like he will.

              1. Sevo   3 years ago

                "There are 33 Republicans running for Senate..."

                turd is terrified!

              2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

                Question his intelligence? OK, and the answer is:
                "Oz was educated at Tower Hill School in Wilmington, Delaware.[27] In 1982, he received his undergraduate degree in biology magna cum laude[4] at Harvard University.[28] He played safety on Harvard's football team[29] and was a goalie of the men's varsity water polo team.[30] In 1986, he obtained MD and MBA degrees from the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine[27] and Penn's Wharton School.[31] He was awarded the Captain's Athletic Award for leadership in college[32] and was class president and then student body president during medical school.[33]"
                "1991 Blakemore Prize Awarded by Columbia University[215]
                1999 - 2004 Global Leader of Tomorrow Awarded by the World Economic Forum"

                1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

                  Yeah, he is an MD. But these are the same people who called Ben Carson, a guy who was literally a brain surgeon and was famous for getting a near perfect score on his SATs despite going to Detroit public schools, stupid. So, don't bother these idiots with facts. They don't do facts and reasoning. They do ridicule and sloganeering.

          3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            Who do you think you're fooling?
            Fetterman’s a victim of a stroke so bad that he can barely think, whereas your just mad about Herschel's policies.

            Look at Fetterman last night answering a question about fracking. It shows everything you just insinuated was a lie.

            1. Sevo   3 years ago

              "...Look at Fetterman last night answering a question about fracking. It shows everything you just insinuated was a lie."

              Never forget, turd lies. It's what he always does.

            2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

              Wasn't that question to his opponent? It sounds like the moderator starts the question "Mr Oz...."

          4. damikesc   3 years ago

            Shame that Walker seems more intelligent than Warnock, ain't it?

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          To be fair, he was always a drooling idiot.

          1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

            To be fair, most Democrats are. Fetterman seems to go beyond even the reasonably accepted bounds of stupid normally inhabited by Democrats.

            1. HorseConch   3 years ago

              Fetterman started stupid, the stroke just made it hard for him to communicate. He's just a big, ugly AOC.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                Same size chest too.

              2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

                Yes, unlike AOC, you will starve to death if your diet is fap-material and your buffet is that dude. Sweet Jesus....

      2. Ronbback   3 years ago

        now apply that to Joe Biden that is litteral elder abuse in front of us and no one is stopping it

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Sometimes I think Jill Biden must be one evil bitch to allow her husband to be put through that. Then I remember what a piece of shit Biden is and how awful it must be being married to him and think that maybe Jill isn't so bad after all. She may rightfully think the son of bitch deserves it and worse. So, why shouldn't she enjoy being the first lady to see him get it?

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            She 100% is

    2. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Maybe we need to increase the pay scale to attract some better people.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Thats what publishers are for.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Youre an ableist!!!!

    4. Ronbback   3 years ago

      The part I watched, mere seconds, Oz did not take advantage of Fetterman's mental health. good for Oz, let the man bury himself.

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        That's the smart play. Oz needs not say a thing about his opponent's lack of fitness to govern when his opponent hammers that home whenever he speaks.

  16. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

    Kicking off talent, silencing your user base, in turn leading to mistrust of your company leads to less engagement/revenue, who'd of thunk it!

    Elon is pulling a Murdoch, buying a sinking ship for way more then its worth.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      They said the same about him and Tesla.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

      Not only that, but there has never been any substantial moat around Twitter. A site for putting up short posts is easy to duplicate (just look at TRUTH Social). There’s nothing technically advanced about Twitter, and as far as I know they have no substantial protective patents.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        Proof. Parlor. Wait. Amazon kicked them off AWS servers and other internet tool providers refused to provide them their tools if they didn't adopt Twitter moderation rules. Then Apple and Google kicked them off their stores during their growth surge. No moat at all.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          There's more than one lying turd.

    3. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

      Elon abandoned Rambo? 😉

  17. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    Here's another reason every patriotic American must vote Democrat in the midterms.

    SERIOUS QUESTION: Do you realize if the GOP takes the House in November, the January 6th Committee dies? Give me some hope for America.

    Not only could a GOP House slightly reduce the flow of billions of dollars toward Biden's proxy war with Russia, it might also disband the most important investigative body in the history of the universe. Don't let that happen. Vote Democrat.

    #1/6WasWorseThan9/11

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      #KeepThe WitchHuntGoing

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        I think they should keep the committee going, just with new members. I don't think leftists are going to like that very much, however.

        1. Jerry B.   3 years ago

          They could start investigating why Democratic legislators abandoned the Capital instead of defending the Shrine of Liberty with their very lives. Desertion in the face of the enemy, at the very least.

          1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

            Why the Capitol Police were not all called to duty? Why the police opened the doors and let people in the Capitol? Why the DC National Guard, whose job it is to protect the Capitol was not called out despite Trump's order that they be so? Why the cop who shot an unarmed woman who was just standing there was never prosecuted? Why Ray Epps, the one guy that is on video tape calling for violence mysteriously went off the wanted list and has never been arrested or charged with anything?

            Oh, there are a lot of very interesting questions about January 6th to be investigated. As I said, however, I don't think Democrats are going to like it very much. But, hey give them their wish and keep the committee going.

            1. Ronbback   3 years ago

              to add to you list the phone call between Pelosi and General Willy where they discussed arresting Trump before his speech. that is true seditious conspiracy that luckily never came to fruition or there would have been real violence with guns and not just at the capitol.

              1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

                That would have been a disaster. I am amazed how stupid these people are. I think a lot of them really believe their own bullshit and were terrified by what happened January 6th. They seem not to understand how minor it actually was. More importantly, they refuse to understand how easily something really serious could happen if they keep fucking around and telling half the country to go fuck themselves. The US is the most armed and violent country in the world. If the public ever got the will, and these assholes seem to be hell bent on ensuring they find the will, a half a million people each armed to teeth with small arms, could show up on the Mall tomorrow.

                What would they do then? Call out the Army and hope the Army is willing to murder US citizens? They might but I doubt it. Even if they did, having a running firefight and massacre of 500,000 people on the national mall would not exactly be a good outcome for anyone. Yet, they are so stupid, so arrogant, and so detached from reality, that they seem to be doing everything in their power to create such a situation.

    2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

      #BringDurhamBackToFinishTheJob

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, a TDS-addled shit-pile and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
        If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
        turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Even worse than that, DEMOCRACY WILL DIE!

    4. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Do you realize if the GOP takes the House in November, the January 6th Committee dies? Give me some hope for America.

      Literally worse than Zaslav cancelling Batgirl and CN combined.

  18. JesseAz   3 years ago

    One argument frequently heard by people who want to change antitrust laws to target tech companies is that without intervention major players like Facebook and Twitter will dominate forever.

    Do you have examples of this bald assertion? That is not the argument. It is more contract violations and market collusion to suppress alternatives. Why make up fake arguments? We have seen internet tool providers including server providers colluding to force others to adopt similar measures as these groups as the two mentioned are large clients. It is a means to raise cost of entry to market artificially.

    You can make your argument without making shit up.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      I am pretty sure none of us will be living on this earth "forever". So, saying that these companies will dominate the market "forever" is sort of the definition of a nonfalisfiable statement.

      Yeah, the test of an illegal monopoly is not whether it will last "forever", whatever that means. It is whether that monopoly exists now and if it is the result of and the enabler of the monopolists' illegal activities such as you mention.

      Strawman for the win.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

      without intervention major players like Facebook and Twitter will dominate forever.

      Nobody will ever replace MySpace!

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        MySpace should've waited a few years for smartphones to be popularized.
        And also gotten deep state backing.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      the argument is that they now act as de-facto arms of the state's regime and work in concert with political factions in power to censor and ban people who oppose the regime.

      this is an established fact and very worrisome for anyone who cares a even a little about liberty and free expression

  19. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    NEW: Progressive Caucus Chair Pramila Jayapal says in a statement they're withdrawing their Ukraine letter.

    Money talks. Defense industry money screams. Remember kids, if the war isn't started by a Republican, it is not a war war and is totally different.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      Unnamed Staffer is terribly careless with the mail.

  20. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    New detail in Danchenko trial exhibits suggests that FBI intentionally targeted Trump on false Russia collusion charges

    "The revelation, which was discovered as a result of special counsel John Durham’s case against Danchenko, indicates that the FBI deliberately targeted 2016 presidential candidate and later President Donald Trump with claims it already knew at the time to be false."

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      And even paid people to try to dig that dirt up and corroborate it.

      1. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

        And still ran with it when they couldn't corroborate it.

  21. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    JFree hardest hit

    New York Supreme Court Reinstates NYC Fired Unvaccinated Employees, Orders Backpay, Tosses Vaccine Mandate

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      What's even more amazing is that in a debate Governor Hochul says that she'd fire the unvaccinated employees at the state level if she had to do it all over again.

      And she wonders why NY may have a Republican governor after November 8th.

  22. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Jim Crow 2.0? Karine Jean-Pierre Goes Silent When Confronted With Record Early Voting in Georgia

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      LOL!

      Jean-Pierre: "High turnout and voter suppression can be happening at the same time."

      What bizarro world does she inhabit?

      1. genXer   3 years ago

        A post modern one.

  23. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Google is trying to sway the election by suppressing GOP email and search results (again)

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      The spam suit is pretty interesting since the GOP worked with groups who study this and found on certain days their email posts reduced to near 0 in box rates.

    2. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Remember when google offered free bus service to latino neighborhoods in florida for the 2016 election. I do.

      1. JesseAz   3 years ago

        I'm sure we will see it this election too despite Latinos now supporting DeSantis.

      2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        Remember when google offered free bus service...

        You mean the Kidnapping vans?

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          It's OK as long as they notified polling locations when the busses would get there ahead of time.

  24. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Democrats: The Only Way To Save Democracy Is One-Party Rule

    Conveniently ignored in Tuccillle's "Boaf Sides!" piece this morning.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Max Boot gets my vote for the most embarrassingly stupid media figure. I know it is a crowded field and includes a lot of former champions and heavy weight idiots like David Brooks and others. I think this is Max's time. He is hitting levels of stupidity few others have ever achieved.

      1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

        Fun fact, he's a UC Berkeley graduate.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          Then went to Yale and wrote "The Western Way of War", a book that consists entirely of banalities, universally known truths, and utterly unwarranted, broad, and stupid conclusions drawn from that.

          If you want to write a nonfiction book, Boot is really an inspiration. If he can get famous writing a book as stupid as The Western Way of War, anyone can write a nonfiction book and achieve success. Maybe you won't achieve the success he did, but it won't be because you were not smart enough. That is for sure.

      2. damikesc   3 years ago

        Over Jennifer Rubin? I have to kinda doubt that.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          I said it was a tough field, but I am going with Max. Rubin affects such an aura of crazy cat lady, it is hard to take her seriously. Boot has just the right amount of smugness and earnestness that causes his stupidity to be pure and without any irony.

    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Another example of the decorum of democrats Mike references.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Factio Democratica delenda est.

    4. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

      No democracy on the planet has one party rule. But there are a few communist countries that do.

    5. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      When did David start looking like Anderson Cooper?

  25. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    Twitter employees write letter to Elon Musk demanding continued employment, 'safety'

    Ahahahahaha no.

    1. JesseAz   3 years ago

      More like the first employee firing batch.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Accidentally sacrificing themselves is probably the only noble thing most of them have ever done.

    2. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      You beat me by 2 minutes. You bastard!!

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Elon: I'm gonna fire 75% of the employees

      Employees: We demand you do not fire us!

      Elon: That's interesting.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago (edited)

        It is bad enough for them that they are all likely to lose their jobs. They decide that that isn’t bad enough and write a letter that will ensure no one in their right minds ever wants to give them another job. Seriously, who would want to hire an employee who demands that you provide them “safety”?

        1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

          FusionGPS, probably. I cannot imagine a worse set of co-workers for stealing lunches out of the break room from. E-gad!

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

          The hilarious part is that if they quit in a huff, they lose out on unemployment insurance.

    4. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      They could always buy it from him.

    5. Super Scary   3 years ago

      Sounds like they need to continue to learn to code. You know, elsewhere.

  26. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    Twitter employees pen letter to Elon Musk demanding continued employment and "safety". It would take a heart of stone not to laugh when Musk finally gets control of the company and sends these idiots packing.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/twitter-employees-panned-for-letter-to-elon-musk-demanding-continued-employment-safety

  27. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

    Reason Rundown

    HILLARY CLINTON: “Right wing extremists already have a plan to literally steal the next presidential election.”

    Apparently it's okay to question elections again

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      You would think her daughter, or someone would do an intervention and send her to rehab. Everyone around Hillary must really hate her guts. Jesus, she must have the liver from hell.

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        C'mon, she's a lovable loser. She's the Chicago Cubs of politics.

    2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Did somebody say Insurrection? I think I heard someone say Insurrection.

    3. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Always was ok to question elections if you're on the right team.

    4. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      She knows the Dems are gonna get creamed.

    5. Ronbback   3 years ago

      they are looking for an excuse beyond their own incompetence for losing and are looking for "legal" methods to deny the results of an election. I would not be surprised if after the mid terms Biden tries to nullify teh election results claiming massive fraud, may even call for the U.N. to observe a redo election. Note to the U.N. blue helmets are easy to spot

    6. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago (edited)

      Everyone else's fault but their own, from the party of no personal responsibility. Hey, Hillary, you lost, you sucked, you were a terrible candidate and ran a shitty campaign. Get over it.

  28. Ajsloss   3 years ago

    Courtesy of our friends at Merriam-Webster:

    supreme: highest in rank or authority, ultimate, final.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Except in New York where the supreme court was bumped down to the level of a trial court a long time ago. Their highest court is the Court of Appeals.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Supreme_Court

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        Right, you'd think they would've changed the name.

  29. Fats of Fury   3 years ago

    Hi. Good Night everybody.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Shrike's still trying to insist he's not brain damaged above.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        Fetterman may be brain damaged and unable to even speak simple sentences but according to Shreek, he is still better than that dumb n*gger Hershal Walker.

        This is what Shreek honestly believes. I will give him this, he is just saying what pretty white Democrat thinks but won't say. So, he is being honest for once.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          He's a Democrat from Georgia. Hating black men is in their DNA.

  30. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'The court agreed. "The Mayor, in issuing [the exempting executive order], made a different decision for similarly situated people based on identical facts," reads Porzio's decision. "There is nothing in the record to support the rationality of keeping a vaccination mandate for public employees, while vacating the mandate for private sector employees or creating a carveout for certain professions, like athletes, artists, and performers. This is clearly an arbitrary and capricious action because we are dealing with the identical unvaccinated people being treated differently by the same administrative agency."'

    Shorter version: the mayor is a partisan cunt.

  31. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    'Since 2016, the ACLU has been in court challenging these statutes—including a disorderly conduct law that criminalizes swearing in schools and a "disturbing schools" law that bans loitering or acting in "an obnoxious manner" in schools."

    But what if a kid curses out a couple of fags?

  32. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    "Being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19," ... The fired employees "should not have been terminated for choosing not to protect themselves," he wrote.

    If "being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting Covid-19," then how exactly is being unvaccinated "choosing not to protect themselves?" I'm glad at least some of the temporary insanity is wearing off, but the logic here still doesn't completely follow.

  33. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>The fired employees "should not have been terminated for choosing not to protect themselves,"

    not getting poked was protecting myself

  34. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    The case stems from order of the city's Department of Health and Mental Hygiene.

    WTF is "mental hygiene?" Is that like brain bleach? If so, I wouldn't mind forgetting the last 10-20 years ever happened.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      For fetterman, it’s like feminine hygiene, except the bleeding is in the brain.

      1. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

        LOL. Damn, there's some dark humor 'round here. Got any Helen Keller or Dead Baby jokes?

    2. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      You're very close. It's not so much bleaching the brain as it is giving the brain a good scrubbing or washing, if you will. Remove all the dirty "wrong" parts so that only the clean "correct" parts remain, and the brain's user would come to understand that a group of experts should be directing their thoughts.

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      WTF is “mental hygiene?”

      "Definitely not 'grooming'! Why you right-wingers continue to try to slander homosexuals with this issue is beyond me." - Jeff

  35. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    "The Mayor, in issuing [the exempting executive order], made a different decision for similarly situated people based on identical facts," reads Porzio's decision. "There is nothing in the record to support the rationality of keeping a vaccination mandate for public employees, while vacating the mandate for private sector employees or creating a carveout for certain professions, like athletes, artists, and performers."

    Ah, I see, if they had just not made any exceptions and the mandate had applied to everyone then judge asshat would have likely been fine with it. Forget what I said earlier about some of the temporary insanity starting to wear off.

    Of course, they had to make an exception for athletes, artists, and performers because those are the people who provide the circuses part of "bread and circuses." Without them it's possible the peasants might revolt.

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      The judge is applying the right analysis here. If they had enforced it on everyone, they still probably would have been wrong, but they would have at least had a leg to stand on. I hate that policy, but you can at least argue that vaccinating everyone at least has an internal logic to it.

      What they did, however, managed to be even worse and more arbitrary. They tried to on the one hand say there was a compelling interest in public employees being vaccinated to stop the spread but there wasn't for an NBA player or a stockbroker to be vaccinated, because if you catch COVID from one of them it is not really COVID of something. There is no internal logic to that and no way to defend it. That is why they lost, and the judge was right to rule on that basis. There was no reason to examine the larger question of whether it was allowable even had the mandate been universal. It wasn't universal and that made it invalid regardless of whether a universal mandate would have been valid.

  36. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    South Carolina law criminalizes obnoxious behavior in schools

    That's just about every kid.

    Public schools are getting more and more like prisons, so at least the students won't have to go anywhere.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      I'd have gotten life by age 6

    2. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

      Wait until they come for your uncool niece

  37. Think It Through   3 years ago

    "Twitter is losing heavy users."

    I thought we were past fat phobia. Those bastards.

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  39. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    NYC Was Wrong To Fire Employees for Being Unvaccinated, Court Says
    Plus: ACLU in court over law criminalizing school behavior,

    I read the headline and my eyes caught the ACLU and thought, wait, the ACLU changed its opinion on vaccine mandates and took up this case?

    No, the ACLU has NOT changed its opinion on vaccine mandates. They still stand firmly behind vaccine mandates.

    Civil Liberties and Vaccine Mandates: Here’s Our Take
    Far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further them. They protect the most vulnerable among us, including people with disabilities and fragile immune systems, children too young to be vaccinated, and communities of color hit hard by the disease.

    Do vaccine mandates violate civil liberties? Some who have refused vaccination claim as much.

    We disagree.

    At the ACLU, we are not shy about defending civil liberties, even when they are very unpopular. But we see no civil liberties problem with requiring Covid-19 vaccines in most circumstances.

    While the permissibility of requiring vaccines for particular diseases depends on several factors, when it comes to Covid-19, all considerations point in the same direction. The disease is highly transmissible, serious and often lethal; the vaccines are safe and effective; and crucially there is no equally effective alternative available to protect public health.

    In fact, far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties. They protect the most vulnerable among us, including people with disabilities and fragile immune systems, children too young to be vaccinated and communities of color hit hard by the disease.

    Try to count how much medical misinformation was spewed in that one statement.

    1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      A'CL'U still resting on the laurels of the one case -Skokie was a long time ago, and the organization has made it known it will pick cases based on social 'justice' rather than civil liberties.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        The only reason they supported the Nazis marching in Skokie was because they figured it made the right look bad. Even notice how they are always defending Nazis but tell every other person not on the left with a civil rights case to go fuck themselves?

  40. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

    I meant to post this the other day and forgot it. I know Cato is hated her now for some reason, but they had a podcast that shit talked Reason pretty hard this week:
    https://www.cato.org/multimedia/cato-daily-podcast/resist-urge-suggest-jared-polis-libertarian

    It's basically talking about how it's annoying that everyone is talking about Polis like he's a libertarian rather than a prog. Good shit talk.

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      That was me. I secretly work for Cato under a pseudonym.

      Sometimes a commenter will throw a quip out that sticks with me, and I like to keep it and use it, but I'm very careful about repeating funny quips without attribution. I don't remember who said it, but it was something to the affect of, "That's like driving off a cliff while waving out the window to Libertarianism".

      That's what Reason's support and continuous love-fest with Jared Polis is. Literally cheering on Polis' (and Colorado's legislature's) forwarding of taxpayer funded welfare benefits to literally everyone on the globe so long as they make it inside Colorado's social construct and claiming that's "libertarian".

      If Jared Polis just wants to leave me alone, that's a fucking heavy handed way of doing it.

      I think the love affair with Polis is that he's kind of circumnavigated the wokery that's infected the Democratic party like so much leprosy, but maintains a kind of warm, comfortable womb of Clintonesque (Bill) center-left disposition that seems to get Reason's juices flowing.

      Unlike Reason when it comes to someone like... Josh Hawley, I would never call Polis a brute authoritarian, because I still believe those words mean something. But he's no libertarian. And if that's the best we can do when forwarding an example, we're done here.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        There is an explicit comparison to Clinton in the episode as well. Basically, he's a chameleon able tell any crowd what they want to hear in a relatively facile way.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Colorado's Front Range bourgeoisie detests him for not being as fanatical about "green" bullshit as they are and for not forcing people to get vaxxed. They're mostly frustrated that he's not a 100% rubber stamp for whatever stupid shit the state legislature passes, most of whom are shitlib white Millennials and late Gen-Xers who were rendered dumb by years of college, and Hispanic/black ethnonationalists who absolutely despise white people.

        He's definitely not as retarded as the state party members, and to his credit he's nowhere near as abrasive or condescending as other Democratic governors, but that isn't saying much.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      By the way, one reason people here don't think much of cato is because of stuff like this.

      As you'll recall, states and policy members told Americans they weren't allowed to go outside and gather with each other, unless you were a BLM protester, at that point, your political opinion was too important to not be heard.

      The point... the POINT was that lawmakers and policy makers are no longer even hiding behind the fig leaf of 'equal before the law', they are now openly applying arbitrary guidelines literally based on political viewpoint to how Americans can conduct public life. But then Cato produces this wonky shit that calculates the bifurcated Logarhythmic upward downtrend of the data inpoints which are uncorrelated to a leveled feradyne spider graph and then overlaid onto a dampened moving average trendline motivational kinetic mean time pivot table, and it's not entirely clear if the BLM protests were in fact a superspreader event. More data is needed... on the one hand, COVID is bad, on the other hand, speech is important.

      Whether the Black Lives Matter protests actually caused an increase in community‐​level spread of COVID-19 is an open question. While the protests are large gatherings that do not abide well with social‐​distancing guidelines, the protesting population is not the only one that may have a behavioral response. For example, other people who did not wish to participate in the protests, perhaps due to fear of violence from police clashes or general unrest, may have chosen to avoid public spaces while protests were underway. This could have had an offsetting effect, increasing social‐​distancing behavior in other parts of the population. The net effect on both social distancing and the spread of COVID-19 for the entire local population is thus an empirical question and the focus of our research.

      Using anonymous cellphone‐​tracking data from SafeGraph Inc., as well as data on the local prevalence of COVID-19 from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, we demonstrate that cities that had protests saw an increase in social‐​distancing behavior for the overall population relative to cities that did not—a result that is consistent with avoidance behavior by people not participating in the protests. In addition, we find no evidence that net COVID-19 case growth differentially rose following the onset of Black Lives Matter protests, and we even find modest evidence of a small longer‐​run decline in case growth.

      These findings show that the protests and the fight against COVID-19 were, on net, aligned. It is important to underscore that our findings do not imply that this was the case for all parts of the population. The net effect of increased sheltering and decreased case growth could mask adverse outcomes within a subset of the population (specifically protest attendees). This could hypothetically cause a redistribution of public health benefits (and costs) across demographic groups.

      However, when considering the results’ implications for the entire population, public speech and public health did not trade off against each other in this case. Our findings also highlight the importance of understanding the behavior of all relevant populations when conducting analysis in the realm of social science in general and public health in particular. The most visible portion of the population is not always the primary driver of the outcome of interest.

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        However, when considering the results’ implications for the entire population, public speech and public health did not trade off against each other in this case.

        So, people going to work and eat and to movies and everything else didn't either. That CATO refuses to make that point and doesn't see this data as an indictment of all of the anti-COVID measures shows how worthless they are.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

          They slip into that "some ideas are so dumb only intellectuals believe them" territory.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            Conciseness is a virtue.

            1. Dillinger   3 years ago

              brevity soul wit.

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        But then Cato produces this wonky shit that calculates the bifurcated Logarhythmic upward downtrend of the data inpoints which are uncorrelated to a leveled feradyne spider graph and then overlaid onto a dampened moving average trendline motivational kinetic mean time pivot table, and it’s not entirely clear if the BLM protests were in fact a superspreader event. More data is needed…

        This combined with the longstanding and relatively consistent 'Self-driving cars of the exact same size and energy requirements will consume less asphalt.' and 'Repeal the Jones Act to restore American shipbuilding and help PR.'-style proclamations.

        Times past, think tanks were minimally staffed by people who could project the square footage of the entire fleet of US automobiles off the top of their heads while playing 3 games of chess simultaneously. Now, apparently, they're full of people who can't reason that 3 sq. m. = 3 sq. m., that PR is a largely autonomous shit hole that won't be helped by more autonomy, especially considering that we earmarked more direct aid for PR in response to Maria and Irma than we did in insurance coverage for Sandy, and Americans won't build ships because you'd have to be a retard to build a ship to serve PR when you could build two dozen tractor trailers to serve the port of LA... if Newsome would let you.

        1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

          My favorite CATO position and what might be peak CATO is their contention that privately owned cars will be and should be replaced by fleets of corporately owned robocars. You see, most of the time your car is just sitting there doing nothing. That is inefficient. It makes so much more sense to just use the coming fleets of robo cars.

          I am not fucking kidding. When the self driving car moonshine was really popular a few years ago, that was CATO's position on them.

          1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

            They were just asking questions.

      3. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        Haha. That is definitely the wonky, tortured means to an end.

        1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago (edited)

          And the wrong end. The end, for a libertarian think tank should have been: Fuck you and your lockdowns coupled with arbitrary rules for people literally picked for their political viewpoint.

          I literally do not care if the BLM riots were superspreader events or not, and what the offset of people not attending due to “fear of police interactions” was (fuck off Cato, I lived in a BLM riot city and the problem was there WERE NO police interactions… of any kind. In fact, the police quite literally left their fucking police station and handed it to the rioters). I care that I wasn’t allowed to go to a movie theater or restaurant where a lady boy with pink hair and nose piercings was allowed to burn down a block of buildings for racial justice, because xshe had pink hair and nose piercings, which are too important to suppress, even during the worst plague of the last quarter of 2021 during months with an R.

  41. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Every war ends with diplomacy, and this one will too after Ukrainian Victory"

    Can someone please parse that statement for me?

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Sounds like we're going to have to sit through a fucking board game night. Jesus, when will humanity learn that Diplomacy takes too long and no one ever has fun.

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        I have been to gaming cons where Diplomacy was a featured event and I swear the players look like they had aged over the three days of the con. I loved hearing some lament that their event had been cut short by time constraints.

  42. Dillinger   3 years ago

    twitter is losing bots. also, I support fracking and I support fracking because I support fracking.

    1. JasonAZ   3 years ago

      Fracking, in New Jersey! And the Eagles!!!

  43. Cyrano   3 years ago

    “Twitter loses heavy users.”

    I hate it when your platform only has light and medium-weight people left. Does anyone know how to write anymore?

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      I found that wording odd. Perhaps "Twitter loses most prolific users" would have been a better descriptor.

      1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

        There's no space between the set of prolific users and the set of fat users on Twitter.

    2. Mike Laursen   3 years ago (edited)

      Perfectly acceptable usage of the word:

      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/heavy

      Adj 8. “greater in quantity or quality than the average of its kind or class”

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago (edited)

        I don't think the complaint was that it was unacceptable, I just found it odd within context.

        1. Mike Laursen   3 years ago

          "Does anyone know how to write anymore?" is a pretty clear statement that Cyrano found the writing unacceptable. There was nothing wrong with using the adjective "heavy". The writing was OK.

      2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Specifically, when I first skimmed it, I took it to mean there was a 'heavy loss' of twitter users.

  44. TheReEncogitationer   3 years ago

    Great! for once, the SUV is Not Guilty!

    Darrell Brooks found guilty in Waukesha Christmas Parade attacks
    https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/waukesha/news/waukesha/2022/10/26/darrell-brooks-found-guilty-in-waukesha-christmas-parade-attacks/69580247007/

  45. Union of Concerned Socks   3 years ago

    If you haven't yet today thought to yourself, "Fuck Joe Biden"-- well, now is the time to do it.

    Google, how many days to the red wave?

    Google says, "less than two weeks away".

  46. mad.casual   3 years ago

    Twitter loses heavy users.

    All the deuterated users were Russian hackers and they're gone now that Twitter won't help Trump get elected.

  47. HorseConch   3 years ago

    AZ trending away from Katie Munson

    https://redstate.com/alexparker/2022/10/25/kari-lake-taunts-katie-hobbs-on-gender-dares-her-to-milk-a-bull-n649085

    1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

      Kari Lake's boobs for the win.

      1. This Is The Zodiac Speaking   3 years ago

        I second that

      2. mad.casual   3 years ago

        In Hobbs' defense she does bring evidence of at least two genders everywhere she goes.

  48. Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland   3 years ago

    Despite the "Supreme" label, this judge is just a trial-level judge -- and a clinger from Staten Island. The half-life of this decision on appeal in an educated, modern state such as New York might not be much.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Keep being a bitter clinger, Kirkland.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      Fuck off, clingon.

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