A Federal Judge Rejects New York's Attempt To Defy the SCOTUS Decision Upholding the Right To Bear Arms
The decision is a warning to states that impose vague permit standards or sweeping bans on guns in "sensitive locations."
Last June in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen, the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to require that people who want to carry handguns in public for self-defense demonstrate that they have "proper cause" to do so. New York legislators and Gov. Kathy Hochul responded by eliminating that requirement while simultaneously imposing a raft of new restrictions, including criteria for proving a carry-permit applicant's "good moral character" and bans on firearm possession in a long list of "sensitive locations." Yesterday a federal judge issued a temporary restraining order (TRO) against enforcing many of those rules, saying they probably violate the Second Amendment.
U.S. District Judge Glenn T. Suddaby's decision in Antonyuk v. Hochul casts doubt on the constitutionality of the vague standards that New York and several other states retained even after Bruen. It also suggests that sweeping, location-specific gun bans like New York's, which make leaving home with a gun legally perilous even for permit holders, are inconsistent with the constitutional right to bear arms.
Suddaby notes that New York's law "expressly prohibits the issuance of a license [to carry a handgun] unless the licensing officer finds (meaning unless the applicant persuades him or her through providing much information, including 'such other information required by review of the licensing application that is reasonably necessary and related to the review of the licensing application') that the applicant is of 'good moral character,' which involves undefined assessments of 'temperament,' 'judgment' and '[]trust[].'" He adds that "shouldering an applicant with the burden of showing that he or she is of such 'good moral character' (in the face of a de facto presumption that he or she is not) is akin to shouldering an applicant with the burden of showing that he or she has a special need for self-protection distinguishable from that of the general community."
That is exactly the sort of requirement that the Supreme Court rejected in Bruen, which said New York's "may issue" permit policy, in contrast with "shall issue" laws that allow people to carry guns if they meet a short list of objective criteria, gave local officials too much discretion. "In essence," Suddaby says, "New York State has replaced its requirement that an applicant show a special need for self-protection with its requirement that the applicant rebut the presumption that he or she is a danger to himself or herself, while retaining (and even expanding) the open-ended discretion afforded to its licensing officers. Simply stated, instead of moving toward becoming a shall-issue jurisdiction, New York State has further entrenched itself as a shall-not-issue jurisdiction."
Suddaby's TRO also applies to New York's requirement that applicants supply information about their social media accounts so that licensing officials can decide whether they have said anything suggesting they lack "good moral character." As the gun owners who challenged the new regulations saw it, that demand violated the right to freedom of speech as well as the right to bear arms, making the latter contingent on how applicants have exercised the former.
Suddaby also blocked enforcement of New York's requirement that carry-permit applicants meet in person with licensing officials for an interview, saying "the
Court finds that no such circumstances exist under which this provision would be valid." He likewise said the state had failed to justify its demand for the "names and contact information for the applicant's current spouse, or domestic partner, any other adults residing in the applicant's home, including any adult children of the applicant, and whether or not there are minors residing, full time or part time, in the applicant's home." Suddaby deemed that requirement "far more invasive and onerous" than the requirement that an applicant supply four character references, which he let stand.
In analyzing whether these provisions were likely to pass constitutional muster, Suddaby applied the test that the Supreme Court prescribed in Bruen: whether a rule is "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation." Meeting that test requires citing historical analogs that resemble the challenged restriction, which New York had trouble doing for several of its rules.
The state's justification for the character-reference requirement, for example, relied on three historical analogs, including a Delaware law that said "any free negro or free mulatto" who wanted permission to carry a gun had to submit the "written certificate of five or more respectable and judicious citizens of the neighborhood" attesting to his "fair character." In a footnote, Suddaby notes that he took that precedent into account despite its "racist and abhorrent" nature. New York also cited two municipal ordinances regulating public possession of guns, one requiring a police recommendation and one requiring references from "at least three reputable freeholders."
That thin record was enough for Suddaby to let New York demand that a carry-permit applicant submit four character references. But he said the state had not shown that its expansive definition of "sensitive locations" was consistent with the historical understanding of the right to bear arms.
"The Court respectfully reminds Defendants that, because the Second Amendment's plain text covers the conduct in question (carrying a handgun in public for self-defense), 'the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct,'" Suddaby writes. "Defendants must then rebut the presumption by 'demonstrat[ing] that the regulation is consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation.'"
In the landmark Second Amendment case District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court described "laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings" as "longstanding prohibitions." But in Bruen, it noted that "the historical record yields relatively few 18th- and 19th-century 'sensitive places' where weapons were altogether prohibited." They included "legislative assemblies, polling places, and courthouses."
New York's location-specific gun bans, by contrast, include 20 broad categories that encompass myriad places where people might want to carry firearms for self-defense. Suddaby rejected many of these restrictions, including the prohibition of firearms in public transportation, in entertainment venues, in places where alcohol is served, and in "the area commonly known as Times Square." He said the ban on guns in places of worship was overly broad because it did not include an exception for "persons who have been tasked with the duty to keep the peace" in such locations.
More generally, Suddaby rejected New York's default rule that guns are prohibited in all businesses open to the public unless the owner expressly allows them and posts signs to that effect. Contrary to the state's claim that it is defending the prerogatives of business owners, he says, New York is "making a decision for private property owners that they are perfectly able to make for themselves…as well as arguably compelling speech on a sensitive issue." In any case, he adds, "this policy dispute is irrelevant, because it does not regard the Supreme Court's 'historical tradition' standard."
That standard may prove to be an insurmountable challenge for states that pretend to comply with Bruen while imposing licensing requirements just as nebulous as the "proper cause" test that Court rejected or making it practically difficult for permit holders to carry guns for self-defense. Judging from Suddaby's decision, courts may not be as easy to fool as anti-gun politicians hope.
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Obviously as a Koch / Reason left-libertarian, I vote Democrat mainly because of immigration. But I also support their strategy of steadily eroding “Second Amendment rights.” With any luck I’ll live to see the day when Democrats have made it effectively impossible for any civilian to own anything more powerful than a water pistol.
#GunSense
Your parody is kind of weak here. There are lots of things to reasonably criticize reason for, but they have been consistently good on gun rights as far as I’ve seen.
Agreed. However the adults they helped put back in the room aren’t.
I should have mentioned the fact that my anti-gun libertarianism is largely inspired by Michael Hihn. Admittedly not a Reason employee, but his insights in the comment section made quite an impression.
“Admittedly not a Reason employee, but his insights in the comment section made quite an impression.”
Just not a positive one.
Michael Hihn on the 2A and conflicting natural rights? That was literally the topic of my first ever post to the comments at Reason. His grandiose, CAPS filled response was inspiring to say the least.
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My first handle was “Sir Chortles Alot”.
And a “snort” to you!
But was there a sneer. WHAT ABOUT THE SNEER?????
OK, maybe bodyguards hired by the billionaire Koch family can have guns. But not, like, ordinary middle class families though. The FBI must disarm those losers.
#InDefenseOfBillionaires
How about bodyguards hired by the billionaire Trump family?
Won’t need them, as we’ve been assured that they’re all going to prison, and will obviously be segregated for their safety.
Any day now.
The walls are closing in.
I still trying to understand how the judge kept a straight face while allowing restriction of constitutional rights at a gathering of those wishing to support constitutional rights.
“g. Public Assemblies
Based on the historical analogues, it appears permissible for New York State to restrict concealed carry in “any gathering of individuals to collectively express their constitutional rights to protest or assemble” (as contained in paragraph “2(s)” of Section 4).35 As a result, this provision may stand.”
Ah! New York wants people at events like that to *open* carry!
Well, remember that this case is still at the Temporary Restraining Order stage. To oversimplify, what you have to do at the TRO stage is show that the other guy’s arguments are so bad that there is no chance they’ll prevail.
That clause may still fall once the parties have to present their detailed evidence and arguments in the merits stage of the case.
The judge has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.
What are they going to if NY ignores it? Arrest the governor?
Most countries are held together by a fiction. The fiction is wearing away in the US.
This.
A thought I was having awhile back about another one of these cases where people in government keep violating decisions by the courts, just to be challenged and be ruled against again: is there a point where SCOTUS can rule these violators of their oath to follow the constitution are in contempt and toss them into jail for 30 days or something?
Or is there really no consequences for knowingly, repeatedly, violating their constituents rights?
US Marshalls? Stick her in a federal holding facility?
I was wondering too, and that was all I could come up with, but I don’t know if it would work or not.
Who is going to send the US Marshalls? Not this judge.
Well, since this invalidates a criminal law, the court itself would normally be the ones to enforce it. In other words, any arrests made pursuant to the now-invalidated portions of the law are wrongful and arguably malicious prosecutions.
But no, there are unfortunately no consequences for politicians who waste resources by passing obviously unconstitutional laws. That responsibility is up to us voters to send them packing and force them to learn real jobs.
Federal judge tho. What is he going to do if the state courts ignore this ruling?
Yeah, only conservatives actually follow the courts. When liberal judges ruled that conservative states had to issue marriage licenses to men whose idea of “marital love” is ejaculating into another man’s anus, conservatives complained, but ultimately complied.
U.S. District Judge Glenn T. Suddaby’s decision in Antonyuk v. Hochul casts doubt on the constitutionality
I hope he invoked the “bitch, please” clause of the Constitution.
“The state’s justification for the character-reference requirement, for example, relied on three historical analogs, including a Delaware law that said “any free negro or free mulatto” who wanted permission to carry a gun had to submit the “written certificate of five or more respectable and judicious citizens of the neighborhood” attesting to his “fair character.” In a footnote, Suddaby notes that he took that precedent into account despite its “racist and abhorrent” nature.” [other precedents]
“That thin record was enough for Suddaby to let New York demand that a carry-permit applicant submit four character references.”
You don’t have to prove good character, you just need four character references – and one of the precedents for this is a black-disarmament law?
“Another such victory and we are undone.”
The fact that his historical precedents included a racist law should be an argument *against* the requirement, not for it.
Again, this is just at the TRO stage. Those arguments may still (and should) fail at the merits stage.
Sure, and hopefully he’ll give this part of the law a more thorough going-over.
If ever, in the modern age, anyone should be cancelled, it would be the wonk who actually had the balls to put forth an explicitly racist law, meant to disenfranchise free blacks, as precedent for their own law.
Politics is a filthy game. You cannot be good at it without being a psychopath, unable to feel shame or empathy.
Just so everyone knows, the 4 references requirement includes the mandate that the references not be related to the applicant, that they come from the same county, and that the reference form (which specifically states that the reference approves of the applicant getting a handgun) must be notarized. When I moved to NY, I knew nobody in the county, settled in the heart of leftist anti-gun NYC, and my only circle of acquaintances was the parents I met at my kids gradeschool, who would have been mortified if I asked them to vouch for me to get a handgun. To convince them to travel to the bank to sign before a notary was a pipe dream.
“You don’t have to prove good character, you just need four character references”
The character reference to requirement is onerous.
Four people,
unrelated to you,
that you have known for at least three years,
and are NYS residents living in same or adjacent county,
each letter signed, notarized, mailed in separate envelopes.
This isn’t waiverable so if you move into or across NYS the result is an automatic 3 year waiting period.
Since nobody has said it yet, fuck Hochul.
…but unfortunately the accidental governor will probably be elected to a full term.
Eww. Not even with Buttplug’s nubbin.
Willful violation of the constitution on behalf of government officials should be the only crime punishable with death. It should be considered a high crime.
It IS punishable by death now. USC 18§242, Deprivation of rights under color of law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
Outright death at the hands of the state seems a bit extreme.
How about re-instituting the old concept of outlawry? Since these people want to flaunt the very foundation of the law, they should not have protection of it. Let them go around looking over their shoulder every 5 seconds until someone decides to remove the outlaw from the gene pool.
And they should know that, historically speaking, seeking sanctuary at a church or shrine almost never worked. They’re just going to just drag you outside and kill you, if not right there at the altar.
Dictators don’t honor unalienable rights given by god and set down by our founders in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, or the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
That is exactly makes them dictators.
So New Yorkers are free now to carry in all but legislative assemblies, polling places, and courthouses?
After a character reference.
No.
The judge’s upholding of the four-character-reference requirement proves too much.
The applicable historical usage – invoked by him – includes blacks having to get the support of at least five “respectable and judicious citizens” or applicants in general needing at least three “reputable freeholders.”
If this historical precedent constrains second-amendment rights, then the government can simply throw out your character references because the people aren’t respectable, judicious, or reputable enough. Or because they aren’t freeholders (landowners).
Or if they said something that got flagged on Twitter at some point.
The Second Circuit will reverse, especially if that worthless sp1c Jose Cabranes is on the panel
This is straight up lawfar. The supreems should hit NY with a 100 billion dollar fine paid directly to gun owners. A few more rulings where the goverment has penalties for their tyriny would make the world a better place
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Fascism, but this time with sensible shoes.
Misek approves.
You sniveling bitch.
You refuse to refute what you deny or prove what you claim and have the stupidity to call someone who does a fascist.
All you do is bleat naaazi like the bigoted sheeple you are.
The irony.
It’s refuted. You’re retarded.
The end.
You prove my point without even knowing it. Hahaha
Nazi scum is as pathetic as White Indian; gets hat handed to him, says ‘I won’ and wanders off.
Up yours, nazi scum.
Shove off Misek. You are a fool.
Uh no. That was easy.
I like feeding you lying waste of skin trolls what you can’t refute and laughing at you every time you choke.
Hahaha
You are only showing everyone how unpleasant you are, Misek.
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Every picture of this bitch has her looking like the beaver logo from Buc-ees.
I hope this cunt gets a tumor in her disgusting ovaries.
Almost everything in this article is documenting a series of moves in the never-ending shadow boxing between one nominal side in the culture wars and the other nominal side in the culture wars. Meanwhile, back in the real world, the only gun owners – and gun toters – affected by the virtue-signaling in the sham courts are the few who are foolish enough or unlucky enough to get caught randomly by some random law enforcement officer. The other 130 million gun owners simply ignore the politicians and their mock battles.
The New York legislature will just pass another law along the same lines
This will remain an eternal game of whack-a-mole until the executive branch decides to enforce the ruling of the Supreme Court.
Until the federal marshals come and haul these officials away, there are no consequences.
New York is in open rebellion against the Supreme Court
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Requiring character references to exercise a fundamental right is utterly absurd.
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Conservatives need not debate New York (or any other leftist state) because they believe government should be in complete control.
They would assign control over the means of production, the revenue needed to produce, the people who would perform the labor, keep records and protect the profits to be divided among senior oligarchs.
The sane world believes disarming victims does not protect them.
That didn’t work with civil rights laws. We need another Eisenhower who will literally send in the troops to enforce Supreme Court decisions on our protected rights.
Until the courts get tired of it and impose preclearance.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
The first half is as important as the second. Dumb fuckwits, true to form, just can’t accept that responsibility is commensurate with authority and that bigotry prevents them from perceiving the purpose of the criteria “well regulated”.
Arguing about the meaning and objectivity of morality instead to obfuscate and prevent resolution.
The purpose for enumerating the criteria “well regulated” was to provide instruction to use the best tools available to keep guns out of the hands of those who would do crime while keeping them in the hands of those who won’t.
It’s that simple and it isn’t impossible to do that to the best of our ability.
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Past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour. This includes the evidence of rehabilitation.
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Control-eff this for “prefatory” and then continue seething in irrelevance, defeated little stormfag bitch. 😀
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Good God – you’re an arrogant ass – muted for cause…
SCOTUS gets it wrong all the time, like Roe vs Wade.
The correctly applied use of logic and science is Supreme.
Recognizing the prefatory phrase, then ignoring it is logically wrong.
Other than recognizing the enumerated criteria “well regulated” how can any court in the land deny the right to bear arms to ANYONE without violating 2a?
“Precatory” not “prefatory”. Precatory clauses are justifications for their operative clauses – they support, but don’t limit the operative clause.
Well done, 5.56!
The point is why “well regulated” is enumerated in the constitution before the right to bear arms.
Prefatory means it serves as an introduction. Miserable misek needds to read the rest of the BOR, it contains many amendments that talk about multiple things in parallel. 2A is no different.
.02 from the peanut gallery.
It’s notable that you haven’t even attempted to refute what you deny.
“Scotus gets it wrong all the time”
Yeah sorry about the ad hominem, but this coming from a holocaust denying stormfag is rich. You’ve lost, which shows because you’re so hellbent on proving your superiority in random comment sections.
Accept your defeat and move on.
This is your opinion and counts for jack. There is nothing anywhere in any of the founder’s and framer’s writings that state RKBA only applies to people who are actually serving in the Militia.
You don’t have to like it, but reality is what it is.
And you’re still a NAZI scumbag.
Well-regulated meant in working order. And they can’t. The right is as fundamental as free speech.
Fuck off and die, nazi scum.
If you dont wanna acknowledge that this is a prefatory clause and that well-regulated meant something different back then, here’s another interpretation:
There’s a well regulated militia for the protection of the state, but just because of that, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
So they might have anticipated pathetic restrictive little weasels like you.
You haven’t, can’t or won’t answer why “well regulated“ was enumerated before “the right to bear arms”.
Introductions explain.
Introductions explain, juxtapose, differentate… they do many things. Unlikely the founding fathers meant that low iq, defeated stormfags can just randomly infringe upon one of the most fundamental rights that comes right after free speech and religion.
Also, you guys categotically fail to explain what the operative means, and, considering how absolute it is, how to reconcile it with the allegedly restrictrive prefatory clause. And then, when being reminded of your perpetual failure, you guys cope hard while i continue to enjoy my rifle at the range. 😀
The founders clearly enumerated the criteria to bear arms by introducing it with the description of a well regulated militia.
For exactly the same reason we don’t let criminals, children and the insane bear arms today.
It’s how the English language works. Words in a sentence don’t always come in the order of importance.
Also, I don’t think you know what “enumerated” means.
And for future reference, the singular of “criteria” is “criterion.”
Do you intend to make a point?
Thats rich from one of the most comically irrelevant, hellbent-on-enlightening the unwashed, anti-reality clowns I’ve ever encountered in the wild.
“It’s notable that you haven’t even attempted to refute what you deny.”
Asshole, you’ve had your face wiped with the lies and lame assumptions you claim as ‘evidence’ many times.
Fuck off and die.
For Pete’s sake, how many times do I have to challenge you naaazi bleating sheeple to prove your claim that you’ve EVER refuted ANYTHING that I’ve said only for you lying wastes of skin to cut and run? Then you STFU.
Fuck you! Provide the link or sneak away again in embarrassment. It doesn’t matter which.
Lmao Misek having another loser meltdown because he continues to embarrass himself and them project 😀
I like feeding you lying bleating waste of skin trolls what you deny but can’t refute and laughing at you every time you choke. Hahaha.
The fuckwit sevo has cut and run.
.no, you’re just a sealioning nugget of rotting shit. And everyone is tired of explaining things to your retarded ass. So, in your tiny little nazi mind, you equate this with victory. It is not.
Now kill yourself.
You’re choking. Hahaha
“For Pete’s sake, how many times do I have to challenge you naaazi bleating sheeple to prove your claim that you’ve EVER refuted ANYTHING that I’ve said only for you lying wastes of skin to cut and run? Then you STFU…”
Nazi shitbag, post your ‘evidence’ and this time when you get your face wiped in it, I WILL save it.
We can start with your strongest argument:
“The death camps didn’t show up in Brit intel!”
Well, imagine my surprise!
Anyone who is even slightly educated regarding the European WWII campaigns (IOWs, not a brain-dead Nazi shit like you) will know that the Nazis purposely kept the mass murders as quiet as they could; they were well aware that the world would be horrified and any sympathy they might have salvaged would evaporate.
Go ahead, asshole, list the rest; that’s your BEST shot, it only gets easier.
“The fuckwit sevo has cut and run.”
The nazi shitbag has been handed his hat several times. Fuck off and die, asshole
“The death camps didn’t show up in Brit intel!”
I never said that so I have no reason to defend it.
That shows that you’re a stupid liar.
I challenge you to prove me wrong by posting the link to where I said that.
You won’t because you can’t. You’ll cut and run.
BTW, nazi scum bag, I did save this response and now that you ask, I will take it as my duty to copy every one of your lies and the refutations showing that YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.
It will not be difficult and again, as you post your bullshit, you will be handed your hat, asshole.
Keep posting your lies; you will get ‘corrections’, asshole.
And I have saved your admission that you’re a stupid lying waste of skin.
I’ll make it easy for you. In the future keep your pie hole shut unless you can prove your claim or refute what you deny.
Regarding a liars promises, I won’t hold my breath.
I don’t feel like waiting for my next opportunity to rub your face in your lies.
Here’s a compilation that I often post.
You can put quotation marks around these without lying as things I have said.
As always, for the umpteenth time I challenge you and everyone else to successfully refute any of it with correctly applied logic or science.
I commit that if you do refute anything I will never say it again because unlike you, I value truth.
Fill your boots fuckwit.
The following points refute key elements of the holocaust with logic and science. This is because all stories creating the holocaust narrative defy logic and science.
There has been no objective forensic analysis at any supposed site. That means that there is no physical evidence. Any activity that demonstrates and shares evidence to refute the holocaust is a crime in every nation where it allegedly occurred.
The crucial event of the story is the cyanide gassing of millions of Jews. That never happened.
Jews have published books illustrated with pictures of themselves shirtless dragging piles of gassed bodies from the chambers to cremation ovens.
But cyanide is absorbed through the skin and NOBODY could have survived a single day of such activity much less collecting reparations into their old age reminiscing about it years later.
And so it goes with every bullshit story. The facts prove otherwise.
Let’s not forget another old timey favourite.The story of Babi Yar is a popular lesson in Jewish schools described as the single largest event of the holocaust.
The lesson is that between 30,000 and 100,000 Jews were taken to a ravine in Ukraine where they were killed.
The story is told by one Jewish
survivor, Dina Pronicheva, an actress who testified that she was forced to strip naked and marched to the edge of the ravine. When the firing squad shot, she jumped into the ravine and played dead. After being covered by thousands of bodies and tons of earth she dug herself out, unscathed, when the coast was clear and escaped to tell the story.
She is apparently the only person in history to successfully perform a matrix bullet dodge at a firing squad. The soldier aiming point blank at her never noticed her escape. Never walked a few steps to the edge of the ravine to finish her off.
They were stripped naked to leave no evidence. Naked she had no tools to dig herself out from under 30,000 bodies and tons of dirt.
Only after the deed was done, the nazis realized that so many bullet ridden bodies were evidence. Oops, rookie move. So they brought more Jews and millions of cubic feet of firewood to dig them up, cremate them on gravestones and scatter their ashes in surrounding fields.
There has been no forensic investigation at the site. None of the bullets allegedly burned with the bodies have been recovered. Not one shred of physical evidence of this has ever been found.
There are military aerial photographs of the area at the time but they don’t show any evidence of the narrative, no people, no equipment, no firewood, no moved earth, no tracks of any kind.
Simply stating these facts is a crime in Ukraine where the Babi Yar narrative is taught in school
Have you ever heard of the Bletchley park decrypts of the famous German enigma machines? It was credited for turning the tide of the war as allies knew what military actions the Germans were planning.
Only released in the 1980s those translated messages included prison camp information, deaths, transfers and requests for medicines to treat illnesses. The numbers of dead don’t support the holocaust narrative of which there was also no mention of.
Are you willingly performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe, as the story goes, that Germans were communicating in code about prison camps while talking plainly about their military actions with their top secret enigma machines?
The numbers of dead from German enigma decrypts does align with Red Cross numbers.
The Red Cross regularly visited all prison camps. It was their job to report the cause of all deaths. They recorded a grand total of 271,000 among all camps for the entire war. It is a matter of record.
Are you performing the feeble mental gymnastics required to believe that the Red Cross were so incompetent that they were completely unaware of 95% or 5,629,000 deaths?
Zyklon B is an off the shelf insecticide used among other places in Prison camps to delouse clothing and bedding to save lives by preventing deadly typhus. The system used for years before the war employed heating to release cyanide gas, fans to circulate the gas and more to exhaust the chambers to make the de loused articles safe to handle.
Pictures of this equipment and the small de lousing buildings with clothing racks still exist in Prison camps. But no evidence of any gas delivery system has ever been found in the shower houses where the bullshit holocaust allegedly occurred. In fact, the story has changed to that they just threw the heat activated pellets onto the cold drainless floors in rooms full of people.
Such an inefficient method would have taken too long to kill the required number of Jews. The pellets couldn’t be spread evenly in rooms full of people. The cold drainless floors would have delayed the release of cyanide from the pellets that people would have swept away from themselves. Any dead would have released all their bodily fluids and their bodies covering the pellets. Vomit would have been added to the floor prior to entering such a room.
According to Martin Gilbert in his book, Holocaust Journey, the gas chambers at Treblinka utilized carbon monoxide from diesel engines. At the Nuremberg trial of the Nazi war criminals, the American government charged that the Jews were murdered at Treblinka in “steam chambers,” not gas chambers.
Gasoline engine exhaust contains about ten times the carbon monoxide than diesel. Diesel exhaust is relatively safe. Even if the Diesel engines were running at their maximum of 500 ppm, death would take several hours. Far too long to support the narrative.
If Germans had used gas engines, death would have been in a few minutes. But in the holocaust narrative for treblinka diesel was used even though they had plenty of gas for their tanks. Nuremberg still recorded that they were “steam chambers”.
Which stupid lie is more believable? You have to perform some feeble mental gymnastics to buy that.
Jews had been publicly claiming a holocaust of 6 million Jews in various nations no less than 166 times between 1900 and 1945. Only to coerce sympathy to raise money. Like the wastes of skin who fake cancer on go fund me pages.
The story of gassing Jews began as British propaganda to turn popular opinion against Germany. It was inspired to draw attention away from Jewish Bolshevik war crimes in Russia because that would work against allied propaganda. It also served global Jewish interests to create undeserved sympathy for Jews who had publicly organized boycotts of Germany to drive Germany to war.
There is a documented letter from the head of British propaganda to the head of the war office recommending that they cease the “gassing Jews“ propaganda because there was no evidence for it and if found out would work against their propaganda efforts.
The only thing the bullshit holocaust narrative has in common with WW2 is that they were both the creation of Jews.
These Jewish leaders are admitting it. Are they lying?
“We Jews are going to bring a war on Germany”.
David A Brown, national chairman, united Jewish campaign, 1934.
“The Israeli people around the world declare economic and financial war against Germany …holy war against Hitlers people”
Chaim Weismann, the Zionist leader, 8 September 1939, Jewish chronicle.
The Toronto evening telegram of 26 February 1940 quoted rabbi Maurice l. Perlzweig of the world Jewish Congress as telling a Canadian audience that” The world Jewish Congress has been at war with Germany for seven years”.
A working order militia follows the rule of law. It is the criteria, like I said.
You’re contradicting yourself, fuckwit.
I’m not contradicting myself, the problem really is your low iq here. Sorry.
“Working order” is a criteria.
Suggesting that the criteria to bear arms is based on being part of a working militia and then that there is no criteria is a contradiction.
Your failure to recognize this is on you.
Freedom of speech isn’t so fundamental anymore. You can lose your job for uttering bad speak.
The lesson I take from the current lack of free speech isn’t that ALL speech needs to be okay. It’s that we haven’t clearly and objectively defined and criminalized the speech that needs to be. We’ve done a piss poor job of it. Threats bad right? Lying under oath bad right. But now we’ve effectively criminalized truthful speech that offends people who have no right not to be offended.
Because we haven’t been clear and objective, using correctly applied logic and science, we’ve made mistakes.
We’re making the same mistakes with the second amendment.
By ignoring the clear objective criteria enumerated in the constitution we’ve left the door open for people to make mistakes.
That’s the lesson.
“Well regulated” meant something different in the parlance of the times, yet the phrase the “the people” hasn’t really varied in its meaning over the centuries. It’s clear “the people” means the same thing in the 2nd Amendment that it means in the others; i.e., the general citizenry. If the Founders had in any way meant for RKBA to apply to the states and not individual citizens, they’d have made that distinction clear the same way they made it clear in the 10th Amendment.
You first fuckwit.
Why do you think “we’ll regulated” was enumerated immediately before “the right to bear arms”?
This has been answered more than once, Misek, and I don’t blame Sevo for not taking the time to reiterate it into a suitable formt for your low iq brain.
Hey fuckwit, your answer was refuted.
An introduction explains the criteria surrounding the right to bear arms. Like I said. You lose.
I asked Karl what he thought, let him answer, and I’ll deal with him as I dealt with you.
Misek, you stupid, stupid nazi cunt. This has has been litigated here many times. We’re right, you’re wrong.
Case closed.
Litigated here. Hahaha
You can’t even explain why the founders chose the criteria of a well regulated militia to introduce the right to bear arms.
Prove your claim fuckwit. Provide the link or cut and run choking in embarrassment. I don’t care which.
“Hey fuckwit, your answer was refuted.”
Hey, steaming pile of shit, assertions from nazi scum =/= a ‘refutation’. It does equal more bullshit from a steaming pile of shit.
You have no shame. You cut and run when challenged to prove your claim but show up to try to argue a different point.
When I refute your feeble attempt I have no doubt that you’ll deny it without refuting it. So this explanation is for others.
I did refute 5.56 whose argument was that “well regulated militia” was an introduction or preface to the right to bear arms and therefore not relevant to it. Meaning the founders had no purpose for including it in the amendment.
I refuted it by demonstrating that by definition an introduction or preface explains, adding meaning to the subject. That meaning refutes the claim that it wasn’t relevant.
“Well regulated militia” adds meaning to the right to bear arms refuting 5.56’s claim, and anyones, that it doesn’t.
When SCOTUS or anyone else gets it wrong by ignoring logic and science, and I care about the issue, I don’t feel defeated.
There’s just more work to do exposing your errors with correctly applied logic and science.
Like I did regarding Roe vs Wade and with you fuckwits right here and now.
Youre doubly defeated because apart from the highest Justices of the land defining the law against your irrelevant will, you also fail to grasp grammar.
Grammar. Hahaha
Are you also the punctuation fairy?
Nobody gives a fuck what a Holocaust defying literal nazi wacko like you ‘feels’, other than horrific agony. Which is what you deserve.
Now fuck the fuck off, m’kay?
Uh no. That was easy.
Introductions explain.
Well i guess prefatory means a little more than just introductory, it includes that notion. Guess I should have kept on saying “prefatory”, until you googled it and grasped it. Thats like waiting for Godot though. Because that would mean the discussion is over and you would acknowledge your irrelevance. Nothing to do with reality, unfortunately.
An introduction can juxtapose and contrast too. You can explain by difference. Fuck. This language bullshit, Jesus Christmas Elf I’m getting tired of it.
Uh no, you seem to recognize that a preface is an introduction, explaining the criteria to bear arms, but not that using a different word wouldn’t have changed anything dumbass.
Your a faggot trying to mince words and failing miserably.
Misek, YOU are the faggot. Your idiocy is truly astonishing.
You’re a literal nazi. Kill yourself.
Hahaha.
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There is nothing to suggest that the introduction of “a well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state” immediately before “the right to bear arms” was simply inconsequential fluff.
They could have written “an angry mob” or just “militia” or left it out entirely if they meant that anyone has the right to bear arms, but they specifically chose the wording, “well regulated militia”.
It is incumbent upon us to recognize this, understand why and make laws that support it.
Naaazi. Hahaha
It takes one to know one, bigotry button dumbass.