A Campus Pro-Life Group Faced Criticism. Now, It Demands That Its Detractors Be 'Reprimanded.'
Students for Life at George Mason University claims that another student organization defamed the group by criticizing its event that compared abortion to slavery and segregation.

A chapter of Students for Life at Virginia's George Mason University (GMU) is trying to pressure the college to censor another student club—in the name of the First Amendment.
Students for Life of America is a national pro-life group. On September 7, the Students for Life chapter at GMU hosted a public event called Abortion is Not Right. It included a series of informational panels posted in a public place that argued that abortion is a violation of human rights. It compared abortion to slavery, segregation, and other human rights violations.
Following this display, the Black, African-Heritage and Caribbean Coalition (BLACC), another student organization at the university, released a statement condemning the event.
"We recognize that Mason encourages diverse viewpoints and beliefs, but in order to function as a campus society, deference must be practiced…. The loose language and insane idea of abortion being a 'version' of slavery is imprudent," wrote BLACC in a letter published on its Instagram account. The letter, while critical of Students for Life, did not call for the group's censorship or demand that the university punish them in any way, instead making a vague demand for a "meeting with Students for Life; in the presence of University Life administrators, Center for Culture, Equity and Empowerment officials, and all other necessary parties to swiftly reduce this harm." The group added, "Our goal is not to change minds, hearts, or beliefs but to make it clear that loose connections and reckless statements that directly harm Black, African, and Caribbean students is unacceptable."
According to Students for Life of America, the GMU Center for Culture, Equity and Empowerment later posted BLACC's statement on its Instagram story and wrote that it was "working closely with black student leaders to repair harm."
Students for Life of America then sent a legal letter to GMU arguing that the criticism faced by Students for Life at GMU and the administrators' subsequent sharing of BLACC's letter constituted a violation of the chapter's First Amendment rights. The group then demanded a litany of apologies, that BLACC's statement be taken down, and that the school reprimand BLACC for criticizing Students for Life at GMU.
"In posting the Coalition Letter and then sharing it, and GMU's failure to require those posts be removed, Students for Life at GMU has been shamed and publicly humiliated without a chance to defend itself in the public sphere," wrote Zachary S. Kester, legal counsel for Students for Life of America in the letter, which was sent to BLACC and GMU's Center for Culture, Equity and Empowerment.
The letter further argues that the chapter's First Amendment rights had been violated. According to Kester, "putting up warning signs to direct traffic away from a person engaged in free speech is a violation of that person's freedom of speech. Here, the Coalition and the Equity Center have put up the digital equivalent of warning signs around Students for Life at GMU's free speech. It is a violation of the law to shut down speech that the university, or subsets of it, disagrees with. While Students for Life at GMU was permitted to have a table and display, it was thereafter harassed and publicly shamed by the Coalition, with no ascertainable repercussions for the offending group." Kester further alleges that "by circulating unfounded and false public accusations, the Equity Center is committing a due process violation." Thus, Kester argues that a GMU affiliate expressing their agreement with criticism of Students for Life at GMU constitutes an illegal "heckler's veto."
However, this legal logic appears to be flawed. While one can certainly argue that university officials jumping in on ideological debates between students can harm the culture of free speech on campus, the university administrators' actions were not censorship by any stretch of the imagination.
"They seem to have it backward here," said Zach Greenberg, an attorney at the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), a First Amendment rights group. "The university has their own First Amendment right to criticize groups, measures, viewpoints; it happens every day. The university cannot punish student groups, though, for exercising their rights, for expressing themselves. And when student groups call for the university to punish others for their viewpoints, their ideas, even offensive ideas, a public university should resist those calls."
Kester claims that BLACC's criticism of Students for Life at GMU constitutes defamation, thus the letter's demands that they be "reprimanded" by the university.
Kester tells Reason that the following statement by BLACC is defamatory: "While [Students for Life at GMU] believes that abortion affects them directly, the loose language and insane idea of abortion being a 'version' of slavery is imprudent. We recognize that SFL may not have intended harm to our Black students, however, the impact speaks for itself."
"Those consecutive sentences is the functional equivalent of BLACC calling Students for Life of GMU racist," Kester tells Reason. "Is that not the impression that you were left with? I'm pretty sure that any reasonable observer would be left with that impression. In fact, the legal standard of defamation is 'what's the impression left upon the observer.'"
He continued, "Defamation per se includes statements about people's mental state or mental condition, and given that BLACC called the version slavery 'insane,' that speaks to mental condition and it constitutes defamation per se…. There's not a generalized, overarching First Amendment right to call someone 'racist.'"
However, Kester is simply incorrect. The statements he highlights as defamatory do not appear to meet the legal standard of defamation, which must include a false statement of fact, that this statement is communicated to a third party, fault which rises to negligence, and damages, meaning harm to the reputation of the defamed individual.
"A lot of derogatory, even unfairly derogatory, criticism is treated as pure opinion, and thus not legally actionable," wrote Eugene Volokh in The Volokh Conspiracy." So saying 'Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist' or 'Saule Omarova is a Communist' (or 'Socialist') isn't libelous, because that is understood as an opinion." Thus, there is simply no legal basis for claiming that BLACC's criticism—which did not even explicitly call Students for Life at GMU "racist"—constitutes defamation. Further, there is, in fact, a First Amendment right to call someone "racist," as well as a host of other derogatory names.
No matter how much Students for Life at GMU try to say otherwise, criticism from another student group isn't a violation of their First Amendment Rights—in fact, it's a sign of a healthy campus culture, one that uses speech, not censorship, to solve disagreements. As BLACC said in a YouTube video discussing the incident, "This isn't about Students for Life's beliefs. It never was. And it's not about anyone's values, beliefs, opinions, or otherwise. We all think differently, and it's important to recognize that everyone here—from our students, staff, faculty, and organizations—hold different beliefs. This difference in our thinking is what makes our campus strong."
What is a violation of First Amendment rights is trying to silence criticism.
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Well I can't say "both sides" are fragile, because everyone here on the Commentariat says it's only ever one said. So I guess this is a progressive Pro Life group at GMU. Gosh, progressive pro-lifers can't handle some criticism.
Conservative Pro Lifers would never cave and go rushing to the administration whining about unfairness.
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You don't think there are left-wing pro-lifers? What do you think communist regimes are?
They're all strongly pro-life. That isn't your fetus, it's the state's.
Mandatory abortion of the undesirables is not exactly pro life. Just saying.
Oh, it only counts before they're born.
Communist regimes were pioneers in abortion rights.
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You mean the rot is spreading.
You can say it, because it's true. But the BLACC statement certainly is objectionable for several reasons. What did they mean by saying "deference must be practiced"? Deference? Of who to who? Is that the word they really meant to use? Calling for a meeting with University administrators to "make it clear" that the Students for Life material was "unacceptable" is itself what is unacceptable. I don't think an official "reprimand" is the solution, but the University should make it clear that they reject BLACC's call for intervention. And yes, both sides need to accept the fact that sometimes, people are going to insult or offend you, and there isn't much you can do about that.
Calling Christianofascist bullies who seek to have men with guns deprive women of individual rights "Pro-Life" is a crime against the English Language. Comstock laws, equivocation of vice into crime and Republican and National Socialist coercive eugenic race suicide fears joined hands with Southern droit de seigneur to rape slave women and force them to carry the outrage to term. That is the historical face of forced labor in involuntary reproduction the 13th Amendment sought to ban. (https://bit.ly/3ylIixV)
“This difference in our thinking is what makes our campus strong."
What an idealistic dreamer.
First, GMU is a state funded school. It has to treat both sides equally. Second, things like hanging signs to confuse people trying to attend an event about where an event is, is not criticism. It is targeted harassment and disruption. Should GMU allow such things? Maybe. It doesn't rise to the level of violence or direct disruption. Whatever it does, it should apply the same rules to every event. If anyone thinks GMU would allow the pro life people to engage in these tactics at a pro choice event, I have a bridge to sell you.
This is not about criticism. This is about fair treatment and universities allowing leftist students to do things it would never tolerate from anyone else.
Exactly. GMU is taking sides. They may have that right, but by doing so, they trample one side only.
It's like saying the government has free speech rights too, and that includes creating a Ministry of Truth to take sides.
This. The intellectual dishonesty on display in this article is - sadly - par for the course for the writers here at Reason.
"A Campus Pro-Life Group Faced Criticism. Now, It Demands That Its Detractors Be 'Reprimanded.'"
Sure, why not.
Just because they're pro-life that doesn't mean they are in any way conservative, let alone libertarian. As such why shouldn't they use these tactics?
No matter what they are, since the left uses these tactics, what is wrong with using them back against them? The left made the rules, make them live by them.
The other side tried to pussy-grab us... So let's pussy-grab them first and hardest!
Revenge and preemptive revenge without end... And NEVER turning the other cheek! And having BOTH SIDES tear down Section 230, each side imagining (without ANY justification whatsoever) that WE can pussy-grab THEM, and they will NEVER pussy-grab us right back!
Revenge and preemptive revenge without end... Have these ideas of yours ever been tried before? What were the results?
I think there is something to be said for being better than your opponents. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Depends on the opponent and the situation. If you never stand up for yourself and hold your opponent to their own rules, you are going to lose and will forever be subject to a double standard.
My major criticism of the right is that they're becoming more and more like the people they hate.
You used to be able to count on the right responding while the left reacts, the right having a moral high ground while the left doesn't pretend to have morals, and the right engaging ideas while the left engages people.
But now it's nearly impossible to tell the difference.
Sure. The right should stick with saying ‘aw shucks, that’s not fair’. Then apologize for even saying that.
I'm glad they are learning to fight back.
You got it backwards. The right never had the moral high ground. The right generally wants people to have the right to make their own choice, while the left wants government to tell us how to live.
For you perhaps. For most people, it isn't hard to tell the difference between people who advocate neo-Marxism, the sterilization of sexual deviants, and racial segregation from people who don't.
Calling mystical fascists by a binary nickname camouflages the sameness that pervades National Socialism and the Communist half of the exact same looter altruist square of the Nolan Chart. Reality has more than one dimension, remember?
There are three wrongs here. First is BLAAC trying to stop SLA. Second is GMU taking sides. Third is SLA trying to stop BLAAC.
If BLAAC had simply laid out their counter arguments, that would be ok.
If GMU had simply said No Comment, that would be ok.
If SLA had simply complained about BLAAC's and GMU's overreach, that would be ok.
Near as I can tell, that is three wrongs. Then add Emma Camp's wrong in misanalyzing this to get four if you want.
I could be misanalyzing this myself, and be the most recent wrong.
Sniper 1: "I'm going to keep low and hide in the bushes as much as possible."
Sniper 2: "Well I shall take the high road and present an excellent target against the backdrop of the sky."
Which sniper would you wager would kill and which would be killed?
Can't be better than the world allows you to be. Dark Knight Joker was right.
We've tried not sinking to their level - it'll kill us.
Everything. Let's stop whiners, let's stop cancelers, let's stop people that think their opinion is God's opinion, beyond question or debate.
However, the author is a bit of a dumbass if she thinks anyone is buying the argument that a public university should be held to the same standards of content moderation as a private individual.
Yeah, I don't even clearly see picking up a sword after your opponent has wielded a sword against you as a violation of the NAP.
Um, don't both students and student groups get reprimanded all the time, and have to attend subsequent sensitivity trainings and the like?
Uhh, yeah.
Example
So yeah, this is a bog-standard situation at most colleges. We may agree or disagree with the guidelines surrounding code of conduct, we might (as libertarians) say “Hey maaan, up yours with your bullshit hassle codes of conduct, maaan, don’t lay that bummer head trip on us maaan”
But the fact of the matter is, “student groups” at most colleges have to abide by codes of conduct, just like one might if they become part of the NBA, the NFL or any other organization.
Student groups get funded by student activity fees. If they want the money, there is nothing wrong with holding them to a standard of conduct. The pro choice group broke the agreed upon standards of conduct here. The pro life group has every right to demand that the university take action on that.
Reason as usual is not being truthful here or making an honest argument.
"Reason as usual is not being truthful here or making an honest argument."
While 'free minds and free markets' only uses five words yours has the advantage of being orders of magnitude more accurate.
The real problem is that the university collects student activity fees in the first place and divides them among groups, including political advocacy groups.
“Hey maaan, up yours with your bullshit hassle codes of conduct, maaan..."
LOL. The Dude abides.
The woke students issued a demand for a meeting with Students for Life in the presence of woke University officials to make clear their speech “would not be tolerated.”
There may be a right for wokies to advocate censorship, but let’s acknowledge that’s what they were calling for.
Suppose that, back when there were such groups, a left-wing antiwar group held an event and a prowar student group demanded a meeting in the presence of ROTC officials to make clear that such “un-American” speech “will not be tolerated on our campus.”
Now, it’s my understanding that calling someone racist is no longer considered defamatory because the term is so vague and drained of meaning, it’s become the equivalent of “asshole,” not a specific accusation but simply an insult for those who disagree with the speaker.
There may be a right for wokies to advocate censorship, but let’s acknowledge that’s what they were calling for.
Came here to say exactly this. They didn't call for censorship only inasmuch as they didn't literally say, "We demand they be censored." Otherwise, they overtly and prejudicially called for the school to act to reduce the harm of Students for Life's speech.
Yes, this was less than an outright call for censorship, and more than mere criticism. There was an aspect of intimidation, harassment and future conditions of prior restraint implicit in BLACC's "request" for a meeting.
And on top of that, the school immediately responded that they were working with BLACC to "Reduce Harm". This was against their policies.
Man bites Dog! Now there's a news story for you. Despite the fact that dozens of Dog bites Man stories are floating around, those aren't newsworthy. It's just in the nature of dogs to bite, everybody understands and accepts that.
Speaking of abortion, a pro life group filed an amicus brief before the Oklahoma Supreme Court that is brutal.
Modern abortion advocacy arose out of the birth control movement, which was “developed alongside the American eugenics movement.” Box Planned Parenthood of Indiana & Kentucky, Inc., 139 S. Ct. 1780,1783 (2019) (Thomas, J., concurring). Coined in the 1880s by a British scientist who was a cousin of Charles Darwin, “eugenics” is “the science of improving stock through all influences that tend in however remote a degree to give to the more suitable races or strains of blood a better chance of prevailing speedily over the less suitable than they otherwise would have.” Id. at 1784 (Thomas, l, concurring) (internal quotation marks omitted). Put simply, the sinister goal of the eugenics movement was to eliminate “unfit” and “undesirable” people-those with mental and physical disabilities as well as certain races.
By the 1920s, the eugenics movement was immensely popular among progressives, professionals, academics, and the medical community. Many leading figures of the day, including Theodore Roosevelt and John D. Rockefeller, “were fervent eugenicists, putting their money, their power, their time, and their research behind the effort.”
Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood’s founder, was one of the most outspoken members of the American eugenics movement, arguing that eugenics was “the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.” She accordingly praised sterilization as the “remedy” to the problem of “an increasing rate of morons.”
And the cherry on the top, Margaret Sanger privately expressing her desire to exterminate the entire African American community in the US.
“The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it occurs to any of their more rebellious members”
Why you never see Planned Parenthood clinics near white neighborhoods, the mystery continues.
https://pjmedia.com/culture/marktapscott/2022/10/04/liberty-counsel-exposes-eugenics-racism-inherent-in-pro-abortion-movement-n1634411
I live in lily-white Maine and PP has offices all over the place here. Not defending the organization or its history. Just saying it is factually incorrect to say they don't have offices in white neighborhoods.
Facts? FACTS?!?! This is Briggs Cunningham here you're replying to! Facts are irrelevant to Briggs Cunningham and company... Only FEELINGS (especially feelings about empty-headed insults) are ALL that matter!
You spelled his name wrong. Again. Keep missing the 't'.
I see your handle also lacks the "t", which goes right along with your comments lacking the entire concept.
Oh no! I'm not sarcastic all the time! I should change my name or my behavior to appease you!
Your comments are never sarcastic. They are also devoid of thought, care, and meaning.
And you're a poopy-head.
So much for never insulting people.
Mommy!
Facts shithead. Try learning them
The racial disparity in abortions is largely intentional: A study based on 2010 Census data shows that nearly eight out of ten Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are within walking distance of predominantly Black or Hispanic neighborhoods.
More specifically, Planned Parenthood intentionally located 86 percent of its abortion facilities in or near minority neighborhoods in the 25 U.S. counties with the most abortions.
These 25 counties contain 19 percent of the U.S. population, including 28 percent of the Black population and 37 percent of the Hispanic/Latino population. In 12 of these counties, Blacks and Hispanics/Latinos are more than 50 percent of the population.
When oppressors are tying them (minorities) down and FORCING them to get abortions, do please let us know…
Oh by the way... Do you think it would be OK to allow black folks to smoke menthol cigarettes? Or is it "racism" to ALLOW them to do that?
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What races are more likely to live in densely populated urban centers? What races are more likely to get pregnant out of wedlock? What races are most likely to have fathers in prison? What races are more likely to live in multi-generational welfare households?
If you answered “white” to any of those questions, then you get a buzzer and are invited to exit the building.
I’m really not a supporter of punishing the unborn because their parents (of whatever race) committed fornication, got imprisoned for crime, or are on welfare.
If you want to describe these as “black things,” there’s still no good reason for Planned Parenthood to target these populations for special attention.
Though it would be wrong if they did it with whites in Maine, too.
I'm intentionally avoiding the morality issue. Once that takes over the rest of the conversation ends.
You seem to be suggesting that PP's focus on black people is because blacks are more likely to fornicate, go to prison, or be on welfare. I suppose your progressive privilege lets you say those things without being called a racist.
But your suggestion gets PP out of the frying pan and into the fire - no, they're not targeting blacks, they're engaged in eugenics against people who do such and such.
I don't think they are motivated by evil. I think they believe they are doing good.
Do you wake up every morning and say to yourself "What's the most evil thing I can do today? Who can I harm?"
Me neither.
So why do you think they do?
Of course many of them think they're doing good - so what? The Confederates thought they were doing good. So did [Godwin edit].
A subjective feeling of righteousness has to be backed up by rightness (not the same thing as righteousness), or else it's dangerous.
Great. That's a step in the right direction. Instead of demonizing these people, try to understand where they're coming from so you can figure out how to tell them they are wrong.
By the way, the winners write the history books. Had past events gone differently, things we abhor today would be normal and things we today think are normal would be abhorred.
I've already learned about the prochoice point of view by listening to prochoice people and reading prochoice books.
To be sure, the rationale keeps changing (remember "safe, legal and rare" and "nobody is *for* abortion"?). But I certainly exposed myself to whatever arguments they were using at a particular time.
I simply wasn't persuaded.
My personal opinion on the "A" word is that I don't like it, but making it criminal won't solve anything.
The end.
Have you ever been to an orphanage? No? Check one out. See if you can get a tour. Good times.
Maybe take one home while you’re there. They’re all potty trained.
I don't like those places because of the smell. Old folks' homes smell like old people, and places where children live smell like children. It's its own level of gross.
So did US eugenicists. So did the Nazis. What's your point?
Altruists define coercion, even deadly force initiation, as "good." The caveat is there has to be good, altruistic motivation which to them is the opposite of mens rea. That makes the Actus Reus ipso facto a good thing. The Hitler speeches of 1934-1936 invoked God, Providence, Jesus and the innate, intrinsic Goodness of the German People to the same effect as today's televangelist Maga Republicans. Their dedication to genocide is second-nature, hence the hatred for birth control as the alternative path to Lebensraum.
A disparate outcomes argument? Hard Pass.
Breaking:
Planned Parenthood facilities usually located in cities. More at 11.
The racial disparity in abortions is largely intentional: A study based on 2010 Census data shows that nearly eight out of ten Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are within walking distance of predominantly Black or Hispanic neighborhoods.
More specifically, Planned Parenthood intentionally located 86 percent of its abortion facilities in or near minority neighborhoods in the 25 U.S. counties with the most abortions.
These 25 counties contain 19 percent of the U.S. population, including 28 percent of the Black population and 37 percent of the Hispanic/Latino population. In 12 of these counties, Blacks and Hispanics/Latinos are more than 50 percent of the population.
Go to the link. The statistics speak for themselves. I would also point out that Maine is a fairly poor state and Sanger had a hard on for murdering the poor almost as large as her hard on for murdering the lesser races.
I was responding to this:
Why you never see Planned Parenthood clinics near white neighborhoods, the mystery continues.
There's an office a mere five minutes from where I live in a state that's like 99.9% white. So what you said was factually incorrect.
Are you going to acknowledge that you are wrong, or are you going to move the goalposts?
*hair rustles as goalposts go whoosh*
Aight. Have it your way.
Are you so dense you can't understand generalizations and hyperbole? If you are so stupid that you think that statement was meant literally rather than just being a sarcastic comment on Planned Parenthood, I don't know what to tell you.
No one is moving any goal posts here. You either didn't understand the original post or are being mendacious and pretending you didn't.
Are you going to acknowledge that you are wrong, or are you going to move the goalposts?
Guess I forgot option c which is "double down and attack me personally."
I wasn't wrong. You just misinterpreted what I said. I did not mean the statement literally or claim that there are no PP clinics near any white neighborhoods. Stop being such a douche bag and move on.
No. Your argument is that PP is an inherently racist organization that still holds the values of eugenicists who founded it, and the lack of PP offices in white enclaves is proof. When I point out that the latter part is wrong, you have a hissy fit.
Your argument is that PP is an inherently racist organization that still holds the values of eugenicists who founded it,
Yes. And there being abortion clinics near some white neighborhoods does not disprove that or make the statistics that show how they specifically target minority populations any less compelling. You have no response to that beyond anecdote and the blind assumption that PP couldn't really be that way. Sorry, but that is only convincing to morons like Shreek. For other people, you need to do better.
I don't disagree with you on the founding principles of the organization. Not at all.
The founding principles of the minimum wage were to keep blacks and retards unemployed to protect white unions. And it still has that effect. The difference is that the people promoting it are economic ignoramuses who truly believe the legislation helps those it was originally intended to harm (and still does).
I don't think the people running PP are racists trying to bring a return of the Third Reich.
They're ignoramuses who truly believe they are helping the people they harm.
Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance, stupidity or incompetence.
Sarcasmic is too dumb to bring up the obvious argument that PP is targeting poor neighborhoods because rich neighborhoods don't need assistance. Or he thinks that is racist and doesn't want to go there.
Do you pinch your nose when you whine about me in the third person?
PP is targeting poor neighborhoods because rich neighborhoods don’t need assistance
*GASP*
You mean the people running the organization believe they are helping the poor by providing a service that rich (white) people can afford?
They're not evil eugenicist racists trying to cull blacks from the gene pool?
Oh
My
God
What other tactics do girl-bulliers know? From the get-go it takes a male impersonator to try and glorify depersonalizing women so that someone else (hired thugs) can do the chasing, catching, cursing and chest-pounding. Yet women hesitate to pick up the 9th, 13th and 19th Amendments--much less a 44 magnum--to put a stop to these lynch mobs. This is taking pacifism to extremes.
I know the majority of the people in these comments believe that name calling and personal attacks are great ways to refute what someone says, but honest people understand that that's what people do when they don't have an argument.
If you are going to harp on minor hyperbole from others, perhaps you should not describe Maine (94.8% white) as “like 99.9% white”.
There’s an office a mere five minutes from where I live in a state that’s like 99.9% white. So what you said was factually incorrect.
The STATE is 99.9% white.
But your neighborhood........isn't.
"The racial disparity in abortions is largely intentional..."
Older folks are more cancer-prone. I bet that one could find MORE cancer-treatment centers where there are MORE old folks!!! AHA!!! Cancer doctors are DELIBERATELY cancerizing older folks!!! The BASTARDS!!!
Is it possible that black folks are deliberately exercising FREE WILL (that they DO have "volition" of their own free selves) and that they then might be choosing to get abortions, using their FREE WILL?
When oppressors are tying them down and FORCING them to get abortions, do please let us know...
You have to remember that beliefs and motivations do not change over time. Democrats are still the party of slavery and Jim Crow, and Planned Parenthood is still all about eugenics and racial purity. Stupid shit that you’re talking about doesn’t matter, because these organizations are operating on the same ideas as they did a century or a century and a half ago. Nothing has changed. They’re all racist fuckers, just like the people who founded the organizations.
And in case any blockheads have a stroke, that's sarcasm.
Thanks for that Margaret Sanger quote. A bit of googling confirms it, near as I can tell. I knew about her eugenics background, had no idea she was such an outright genocidal bigot. She must have loved Hitler.
ETA that in fairness, she does not actually says he wants to "exterminate the Negro population", she just says she doesn't want that idea to get out, which is perfectly compatible with her not wanting to single out blacks.
But coupled with her known eugenics slant, it's bad optics. Just as the Japanese have never admitted their own racist attitudes towards everyone, including fellow East Asians, Planned Parenthood needs to come clean to have any credibility.
"Planned Parenthood needs to come clean to have any credibility."
How many PP members and supporters today were alive in Margaret Sanger days? How far does this kind of logic go? If I am a white person, do I owe apologies (maybe reparations too?) to the descendants of black slaves? Even if MY ancestors NEVER owned slaves? ... I understand that I have genes from Cro-Magnon humans, and Neanderthals as well... Cro-Magnons apparently pretty much wiped out the Neanderthals... Do my Cro-Magnon genes owe reparations to my Neanderthal genes? How much federal spending could we justify to study THAT issue?
How many Japanese alive today took part in the Pacific War?
How many Americans alive today took part in the firebombing and atom bombing of Japan?
How many British alive today took part in Bomber Harris' bombing of German cities?
How many Germans alive today took part in Nazi atrocities?
How many Russians alive today took part in raping their way to defeat Germany?
On and on. The only way to get national leaders to stop reminding other national leaders of past atrocities is to issue national apologies. It has nothing to do with individual soldiers apologizing.
"The only way to get national leaders to stop reminding other national leaders of past atrocities is to issue national apologies."
So it is NOT possible to ask people to be grown-ups and just STOP this nonsense? My pet cats have NOT YET apologized to me, by the way, for THEIR ancestors eating MY ancestors millions of years ago! Shall I spank them now, or what?!?
How are YOU helping things by demanding that PP apologize for what Margaret Sanger said at times? And HOW are we gonna make peace between my Cro-Magnon genes and my Neanderthal genes? That's not TOO horribly far removed from having ONE of my grandparents supporting PP, and the other ones, hating PP, you know!
(Personally, I sometimes HATE my PP, so I am gonna go off and WHACK my PP good and hard!!!)
The only way to get national leaders to stop reminding other national leaders of past atrocities is to issue national apologies.
Are you serious or is this sarcasm? Poe's Law and all. I can't tell.
The group should have focused on the schools reactions instead of the group, which they largely did despite Emma's contentions.
the "harm" part is fucking laughable.
Fuck you. It’s only censorship when the left does it. When the right suppresses speech it's freedom.
where are they suppressing speech?
Ms Camp is not actually stating what happened. The legal letter that was filed by Students for Life is targeted at the GMU Equity Center, not BLACC. They are targeting the University, not BLACC. Because their argument is that GMU is engaging in viewpoint discrimination, which they are obviously doing.
Now, that may or may not be right or justified. But Ms Camp is insinuating that Students for Life was calling to censure BLACC (a student organization) rather than the GMU Equity Center which is an administrative organization in the university.
And the main complaint from Students for Life is that the Equity Center did not follow its stated administrative policy of investigating such disputes prior to opining on it.
You can offer up First Amendment defenses of the University- that is right and proper. But the University has bound itself with its policies. They are not saying "This is our hot take". They are saying, "This is our opinion as an organization that thoroughly investigates such disputes." And if that isn't what happened, and it causes damages (such as defamation can), then they are liable.
It is noteworthy that the lawyer's letter does attempt to censure BLACC as well, but that is specifically for what they are saying is a bad-faith offer to discuss. The Coalition demanded a meeting to discuss this along with administrators. The lawyer alleges that when Students for Life attempted to negotiate the terms of that "discussion" the actual offer was retracted silently. So what they are demanding is that BLACC correct the letter that is now factually incorrect (as they no longer want to meet).
Again, maybe they are wrong, or maybe they are right, but Students for Life is not complaining that they were criticized. They are complaining that BLACC and the Equity Center are making it appear that Students for Life are running afoul of University policies. Which, at this time, does not appear to be true.
We demand that GMU reprimand the Coalition [BLACC]. We demand that the Coalition take down the Letter...We further demand that a retraction and apology to be posted...
Seems to me that Students for Life are indeed requesting actions taken against BLACC specifically that the university censor them by forcing them to take down the letter and issue an apology.
If the letter is inaccurate, which it is, demanding a retraction is more than fair.
As noted by The Margrave of Azilia and myself above, this is clear from Emma's half-truth reporting. By her own narrative, the BLACC didn't specifically call for the University to specifically censor the SFL, they merely implored the University to take action to reduce the harm of SFL's free speech. It's such an obviously duplicitous take that white supremacists in 2022 would be too embarrassed to put forward.
I appreciate these extra details. Always good to remember: when reading a Reason story, follow the external links.
Having said all of this, even if it were one group asking another to be "reprimanded", the fact of the matter is colleges have guidelines and codes of conduct for student groups on campus (see my post above). One student group asking that another be reprimanded is probably called "before 9am" on most campuses. This is a weird thing to get your blood up over.
There's only so much time to spit out an article like this. Research into the facts surrounding the matter is an unnecessary waste of that time.
Yet why is that in their 'rush' to publish the 'errors' reliably flow in one direction only?
"A chapter of Students for Life at Virginia's George Mason University (GMU) is trying to pressure the college to censor another student club—in the name of the First Amendment."
goose/gander?
Y'all are famous.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Popehat/status/1577717234717233153
I had the same reaction when I first read the stuff people like SPBP2 and SQRLSY are posting here, but they can easily be overlooked for the more substantial posters.
Stupid right-wing wrong-nut fascist assholes can not TOUCH their intellectually, morally, and ethically more-well-developed competitors! So ALL that they have left, is a bunch of empty-headed insults! What an UTTER surprise!
Mission accomplished! I’ve now shown yet AGAIN that the hordes of small-minded “conservatives” here on these comment pages are intellectually, morally, and spiritually bankrupt! For lack of ANY factual or logical and benevolent-minded response, they variously resort to endlessly repeated lies, grade-school-level vapid insults, and even stoop so low as to encourage the smarter and more benevolent posters to commit suicide! They are indeed vapid and vile vipers!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!
You thinking you’re superior to anyone is almost as delusional as Artie thinking he’s one of our betters.
So I'm not morally or ethically superior to Idi Amin, Adolf Hitler, or Joe Stalin? Or Nardless the Nadless, the Nasty NAZI? Or Mammary-Bahn-Fuhrer the Necrophiliac? What are your standards of judgment, if I may ask?
What is good, and what is evil? You MIGHT want to start studying up on THAT particular question! May I suggest that you start here?
If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFuhrer, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
None of the people you mentioned were right wing.
But you’re right I shouldn’t have painted with such a broad brush since, as far as I know, you haven’t systematically had millions executed.
I mean no offense but from what Arkham-Asylum-anime-festival-incel-carnival-reply-guy-holding-cell shithole does Reason get its freakish commenters
How ironic that Ken begins declaring himself judge of incels by fucking a goat.
Also,
At first I thought the reply was just flattering to the commentary, then I saw he was replying to Shikha Dalmia and realize that it's also brutally insulting to Reason.
That’s fucking rich coming from him.
Remember when Popehat was more than a cliche script?
"Black, African-Heritage and Caribbean Coalition"
...And they go by BLACC? Not BAHCC?
So pro-life has adopted liberal tactics to silence opposition. The only thing that surprises me is it took them so long.
So then let us all sink to the lowest common denominator together... In the name of whataboutism and ThemNotUsism... And CELEBRATE our condescension AND mutual descension! (Can I con you into joining our common descension?)
Most people couldn't sink to your level if they tried.
Soy-Boy-Noy-Boy-Toy will now lecture us on just HOW low we might be able to sink-and-stink, if we REALLY put our minds to shit!
"So pro-life has adopted liberal tactics to silence opposition."
That's a curious way to characterize them requesting that other campus organizations be held to the same standards that are supposed to apply to everyone.
"This difference in our thinking is what makes our campus strong."
I'm sure the administration and their allies will get right on this to correct it.
This site is now officially the Daily Kos.
Nice.
More like a farm team for Daily Kos.
If anything the government forcing a woman to carry a fetus to term against her will is slavery.
If the government impregnated her, sure. Otherwise, it’s just enforcement of the boilerplate indentured servitude contract (or voluntary military service agreement) she signed on to, and not even really that onerous as the standard for indentured servitude was 3 yrs. and labor is fungible wrt time, meaning you can beat or otherwise extract more work out of one indentured servant (or voluntary enlisted soldier) in 3 yrs. but you can’t exactly get more than one baby in 9 mos.
Forcing a sperm donor to support his child until adulthood, most commonly a full 18 years, must really chap your ass.
It's already legal precedent that Hate Speech is Free Speech (Tho due to somewhat related events, there is doubt that SCOTUS Precedent really means anything). With some basic logic here, if saying Racist Shit is Free Speech then so is calling someone a Racist Shit.
You're free to say anything about anyone, and at the same time others are free to say anything about you. That's how Freedom of Speech works
If I say I demand something that I then categorically refuse to actually do --- such as a meeting --- then I should be required to either meet or remove that as a demand.
Good.
Commie-Education lifestyle.
Learning how to dramatize everything in order to build [WE] 'gangs of the hood' and get usage of Gov-GUNS to feel oh-so special and powerful over those 'icky' people. Never under-estimate the human desire to be the 'bully'.
If you honestly don't think this pro-life student group is responding to a woke campus organization's attempt at censorship by trying to force them into some Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity struggle session where BLACC and school administrators will discuss "harms" caused by their speech that need to be remedied, then you're retarded. Doesn't matter if there was a direct call to silence them. It's an intimidation tactic.
I don’t care if Herschel Walker paid to abort endangered baby eagles. I want control of the Senate. - former NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch, on her radio program.
Every pro-lifer that really does believe that abortion is morally wrong should realize the truth. They are being had and used to gain power. Dana Loesch just said the quiet part out loud. "Winning is a virtue," she explained. Even if true that Herschel Walker paid "a skank" (her word) for an abortion, his opponent wants taxpayers to pay for the abortions of thousands of "skanks". (By the way, if this woman is a skank, what does that make Walker?)
The politicians, pundits, and conservative media figures that claim to be against abortion should all be viewed with skepticism as to their real beliefs, at a minimum. For ever member of that group of political figures that really does believe that abortion is a sin, there must be at least one that is just using it as a wedge issue to keep some voters away from Democrats or to generate the outrage that keeps people listening to them opine about it.
Before anyone starts the whataboutism, think about how that essentially follows Loesch's lead. It would either be saying that you don't care that you're being used, you just hate Democrats so much that you'll support the most blatant hypocrites and liars if it keeps Democrats out of power, or you are one of those that just wants the power, and it doesn't matter how you get it.
She ALSO said that, as a sheer volume of evil, paying for a woman to have an abortion (if true) is bad --- but demanding everybody pay for everybody's abortion, as Warnock wants, is immeasurably worse.
It's like saying Dahmer and a jaywalker are the same since they both broke laws.
When did Warnock "demand" that taxpayers pay for abortion? Also, since it hasn't ever been the case that federal funds can be used for elective abortion, even when Democrats had a 60 seat majority in the Senate for a short time, that is not something that is at stake in this election.
Again, abortion is being used to drive some people to the polls to vote against Democrats and/or keep some away from voting for Democrats. All of the "culture war" issues are like that for Republicans. It is really odd for people that follow a nominally libertarian website to not realize this.
Another article added to the evidence list proving that libertarianism in practice is about nothing other than running cover for leftists.
Principals uber principles.
Another article added to the evidence list proving that libertarianism in practice is about nothing other than running cover for leftists.
That's funny. I take the opposite lesson from pretty much everything here at Reason. Virtually every criticism of Republicans is of the "both sides" variety, while hardly any of the articles directly criticizing Democrats do the same. Libertarianism, from my perspective, is all about giving some of the people that don't like some aspects of the Republican Party a place to be where they can feel like they aren't approving of it, yet it gives them cover to continue voting for Republicans, because, hey, Democrats would be worse. (And minor parties are just spoilers given how elections work in the U.S.)