YouTube Says Giorgia Meloni Video Was Removed in Error, Restores It After Inquiry
"Upon careful review, we determined this video is not violative of our Community Guidelines and have reinstated it," said a YouTube spokesperson.

YouTube removed a video of incoming Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni elaborating on her conservative vision for the country during a 2019 speech. This was a curious decision that attracted widespread scorn from conservative media outlets, given the recent interest in the philosophy of Meloni, who is expected to become the first woman to lead the country.
After Reason asked YouTube to explain why it took down the video, the social media site reversed course and restored it.
"Upon careful review, we determined this video is not violative of our Community Guidelines and have reinstated it," says Ivy Choi, a spokesperson for YouTube. "We enforce our policies regardless of the speaker's political views and when it's brought to our attention that a video has been mistakenly removed, we review the content and take appropriate action, including restoring the relevant videos or channels—as we have done with this video."
It's not clear why the video was flagged in the first place. It's a recording of a speech made by Meloni at the 2019 World Congress of Families. In her remarks, she pushes back on the idea that her views are fringe or aligned with fascism.
"They said it's scandalous for people to defend the natural family founded on marriage, to want to increase the birth rate, to want to place the correct value on human life, to support freedom in education, and to say no to gender ideology," she said.
Meloni's party, the Brothers of Italy, has been described as far-right and nationalist and is accused of having fascist ties. Her remarks in the 2019 speech, however, were well in keeping with new right political views on subjects like gender, immigration, and abortion.
In any case, people who wish to understand Meloni's views—even for the purpose of opposing her—should not want to make it harder to discover them. Silencing an argument is not the same thing as winning one.
It's not clear what happened here, and YouTube can do whatever it wants, but restoring the video was clearly the right move, as no one has articulated a rationale for removing it in the first place.
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From the linked fascism article, a professor says:
“Fully a quarter of all manhole covers in Rome still have the fasces on them.”
Do you see the problem with that quote? The term "manhole." In the course of criticizing fascism, the professor used a heavily-gendered term which, from the enlightened point of view, represents fascism.
I'm not thinking "womanhole" is going to go over any better.
"Personhole" is the approved term!!! Ultimately, ALL of us come from Uranus!!! ("Earthling" is a biased, prejudiced, speciesist, parochial, paternalistic, and chauvinist term!!!)
I thought it was "mangina"?
Isn't that referred to as "ax wound"?
I wish the comment section had a like button. Haven't heard that one in a while!
So do the walls of House of Representatives.
“Fully a quarter of all manhole covers in Rome still have the fasces on them.”
Well, why don't they clean their fasces off of them? Has Rome turned into a homeless encampment like L.A.? 😉
Just add fanatical prohibitionism and asset-forfeiture laws, exterminate/overtax all enjoyables except protoplasmic poison and poppy narcotics, and voilá! California as she is--watch your step. (Message paid for by the Ronald Reagan Resurrection Committee, Box 04201, Yorba Linda, CA)
Well played, Hank, though I thought all plant or fungi-based intoxicants were protoplasmic. 🙂
“Fully a quarter of all manhole covers in Rome still have the fasces on them.”
The fasces have been a continual symbol of Rome since the beginning of the republic in 509 BC. That predates Mussolini by 2439 years.
Wait till they find out how many Buddhist temples are still rocking swastikas.
Or Navajo blankets
That's nothing. Half the manhole covers in San Fran have feces on them.
What I alluded to earlier.
Odd how the mistakes all go one direction. You'd think mistakes might once go against somebody the "elites" like.
old joke:
Customer asks bartender: "How come you always fill my glass only half-way?"
"Well," says the bartender, "I am getting old, I don't see very well..."
"So, how come you never overfill?"
"I am not blind!"
"It's not clear why the video was flagged in the first place."
Of course it is. The reason is right there in the first sentence of the article.
This was a curious decision that attracted widespread scorn from conservative media outlets,
Republicans pounce in 2nd sentence.
One would think libertarian magazines would give scorn too.
Are there such unicorns as libertarian magazines? The last one I heard of seems to have went extinct a decade ago.
"After Reason asked YouTube to explain why it took down the video, the social media site reversed course and restored it."
First they get the video restored, then post this article which is the scorn. What the hell do you want?
I like the belief that they did this and not the widespread mockery, but waiting until after isnt scorn, just recognition.
”I like the belief that they did this and not the widespread mockery”
Yes, my BS detector failed me there. Now that you point it out, they merely say “After Reason asked…” I now realize that only states consecutive events and that causality was just an assumption on my part.
Carry on… nothing to see here.
^ Bingo
YouTube should exercise its perfectly legitimate power to remove any video in which the speaker questions the wisdom of open borders.
#KochFundedLibertarianism101
PrIvAtE cOmPaNiEs!
Italy's borders allow young citizens to flee fascism. For decades the country has converged on a gerontocracy of elderly nuns and angry wizened harridans drowning in senile superstition. Italy's population is today the fastest-shrinking in the world, and has been for many decades.
Unlike These States, Italy lacks the power to wreck the economies of all nations to its South, East and West. Right-Wing means the same thing as religious totalitarianism, whether torturing for Mohammed OR "Jesus."
That is a conferred power, not theirs
YouTube isn't a person, that was some person's decision.
Politics is NOT about the wisdom of anything but how to implement or not implement an agreed solution, wisely.
Unless open borders are always and everywhere a good thing -- and you would not be so dumb as to say that --- there is no wisdom in what is not always the case
"After Reason asked YouTube to explain why it took down the video, the social media site reversed course and restored it."
Is Soave suggesting it was his enquiry to YouTube that led to the video being restored
Without any other context, that's what the article says.
If only he asked fauci any semblance of a difficult question, perhaps then fauci would have changed his mind. Such is the powers of the robby
Robbie has a lot of sway with some groups.
Just like when Reason got 'misleading' labels on Facebook for a couple days. Whoops! Honest mistake! Honest!
"“You want to know what fascism is like? It is like your New Deal!”
~ Benito Mussolini
(1883-1945) Italian dictator during WW2, founder of Italian Fascism, 'Il Duce'
to Grover Whalen, 1939
The "infant income"? "Free nursery schools"? "Make the womb for rent a crime"? "Subsidize the birth rate"?
Uh, yep, Giorgia Meloni's planks do sound like New Deal Fascism, and nothing a Libertarian would support.
And while even Fascists have the right to peaceful free expression, let's call it what it is.
The progressive types don't oppose her because she supports social spending. They support social spending too. They just don't want the spending directed toward preserving the traditional family.
The people leading the charge against her seem to be progressives, not libertarians.
It would be necessary for Italian Libertarians, wherever they may be, to create some opposition.
Now do Jacinda Arden.
Girl-gullying initiation of force grounded in superstitious bigotry?
In the case of Meloni, sounds like cat-fighting, girl-on-girl initiation of force grounded in superstitious bigotry and Natalism.
I tell my students when you see something like "New Deal Fascism" be sure that the author knows he's lying. That is why he didn't say just "New Deal" or just "Fascism" -- he wants his dumb idea to have no real historical pedigree.
And you sure don't get Libertarianism. Being Fascist yourself you would go after "Libertarians for Life" group because they have no right to say such things 😉
You say "call it what it is" and yet you make up some fictional portmanteau label that any history or poli sci major has to laugh at.
Here is the real abuse:
“This lesson, in a nutshell, says: the abuse of political power is fundamentally connected with the sophistic abuse of the word, indeed finds in it the fertile soil in which to hide and grow and get ready, so much so that the latent potential of the totalitarian poison can be ascertained, as it were, by observing the symptom of the public abuse of language. The degradation, too, of man through man, alarmingly evident in the acts of physical violence committed by all tyrannies (concentration camps, torture), has its beginning, certainly much less alarmingly, at that almost imperceptible moment when the word loses its dignity.”
― Josef Pieper, Abuse of Language—Abuse of Power
He wasn't wrong. We're seeing the same thing play out today with the authoritarian neoliberal regimes in the west and the authoritarian Putin regime in Russia calling each other fascists, and rightly so.
"erg Laws, the centerpiece anti-Jewish legislation of the Nazi regime. Both American citizenship and antimiscegenation laws proved directly relevant to the two principal Nuremberg Laws―the Citizenship Law and the Blood Law. Contrary to those who have insisted otherwise, Whitman demonstrates that the Nazis took a real, sustained, significant, and revealing interest in American race policies. He looks at the ultimate, ugly irony that when Nazis rejected American practices, it was sometimes not because they found them too enlightened but too harsh. Indelibly linking American race laws to the shaping of Nazi policies in Germany, Hitler’s American Model upends the understanding of America’s influence on racist practices in the wider world."
"is not violative"
Eh? No spikka da Engliss? "does not violate" is too oppressive for you?
No kidding, I was wondering if anyone else was scratching their heads with that one.
"Meloni's party, the Brothers of Italy, has been described as far-right and nationalist and is accused of having fascist ties."
By demagogic weasels.
Look at this exceptionally slimy piece of demagoguery in the AP cite (Reminder, red, white and green have been Italy's colors since its creation in 1871):
"The party has at the center of its logo the red, white and green flame of the original MSI that remained when the movement became the National Alliance. While less obvious than the bundle of sticks, or fasces, that was the prominent symbol of Mussolini’s National Fascist Party, the tricolor flame is nevertheless a powerful image that ties the current party to its past."
So it bears zero resemblance to facist colors (black flag) and imagery (fasces) but they're implying anyway. In actuality AP's article is far more fascist in intent and technique than her party ever was.
Yesterday Giorgia Meloni's lefty opponent, former Prime Minister Matteo Renzi, called out the American media for saying she's fascist:
""Personally I was against Georgia Meloni. I’m not her best friend. We are rivals but she is not a danger to democracy. The idea there is a risk of fascism in Italy is absolutely fake news."
This sinister demagoguery that the media is engaged in is extremely dangerous, and they need to be called out by ordinary Americans.
And the stupid part is that Mussolini appropriated the fasces from the Roman legions, simply because he was trying to recall the country's literal glory years.
It's like how the establishment left is claiming that the Gadsden and Betsy Ross flags are fascist because grassroots Republicans wave them at protests.
No, the stupid thing is that the education of the audience was not sufficient to see through that appropriation.
The glory years were the Republic of Rome and NOT the empire of Rome
Sure, just as the Democrats' donkey is an image that ties the current party to its own direct institutional past, as the party of the Trail of Tears, invading Mexico, slavery, secession, Jim Crow, interning American citizens of Japanese ancestry, and KKK terrorism.
Which is why AP's lead story on the day after the US election in November 2020 said "Joe Biden, candidate of a party with an extensive history of extralegal white supremacist violence, has claimed victory in a disputed election with numerous voting irregularities."
YouTube were entitled to remove the video but were also misguided in doing so and it’s good that they restored it.
It is good that viewers clearly see that fascism is what you get when you add religious fanaticism to collectivist Statism.
THE SYSTEM WORKED! JUST LIKE IN THE HUNTER BIDEN STORY!
YouTube is part of the government.
They should be on trial.
Their managers should be in prison doing hard labor.
Whether she is a fascist remains to be seen. If she continues to attack "international financiers" and takes active steps to remove rights from LGBT Italians, and starts singing from the Benito songbook and demonstrates a fondness for balconies, then perhaps the label will be appropriate.
Whether Biden is a Communist remains to be seen.
Whether Lizzie Warren is a Communist remains to be seen.
Whether AOC is a Communist remains to be seen.
Whether SRC will ever grow up remains to be seen.
Biden's a shambling feeblemind.
Warren's a facist.
AOC is a Marxist.
Meloni's captions mistranslated "obscurantist" as "unenlightened." Obscurantism in Italian and English means "opposition to the spread of knowledge." That explains why national socialists and international communists seek to censor _each others'_ parroting of coercive altruist-collectivist dogma. The relevant fascist difference is the addition of obscurantist superstition and racial genocide to the usual mix of altruism-sacrifice-coercion-at-gunpoint.
^This
Especially Fauxcahontas.
But aoc said she was a socialist
Warren said she wants economic nationalism and more socialism. (I still can't figure out a word encompassing both)
And srg is an npc
Oh, so you're saying she is a fascist. Gottit.
Does she support corporatist economics, racial ideologies and determinism as well as censoring "harmful" ideas?
No.
But I bet I can list a few politicians you're very familiar with that do.
Well, that idiot Á àß took my current scepticism as some strange indication of something rather than accepting that I was merely being open-minded and was not rushing to judgment.
As for your direct comment, I'm too used to right-wingers whining that - in effect - their opponents are fascists because they're the wrong kind of fascist, because they're doing exactly what they themselves approve of if it were done to or for the right kind of people, but it's being done to or for the wrong kind of people. You don't see DeSantis's punishment of Disney or anti-free speech legislation or his stunt with the asylum seekers or various other actions against other groups as fascist because you approve, and because he's doing it to groups you don't like.
TBQH the Italian Fascists did less damage than the Democratic Party. In the Western world only the German National Socialists did more evil historically than the Democrats.
Are you aware that Italy took part in WWII and finished on the losing side? Apparently not.
The harridan is absolutely a Duce-barking mystical christianofascist. When Orwell was recovering from Spain, criticism of papist maggot-reversing and water-striding was Verboten. He not only pointed to James Larratt Battersby’s Holy Book of Adolf Hitler, but admitted that communist guerillas really did chisel death crucifixes off of tombstones. Infallible aggressive superstitions such as communism and fake (no vow of poverty) christianity are relics of “The Darkening Age” so ably documented by Catherine Nixey and narrated by Lalla Ward.
Free sample... 30 April 1937: Hitler at Berlin's Olympic Stadium addressed 120,000 boys and girls. We want a healthy youth. We want a proud youth. We want manly boys, and we want feminine girls. We do not want cowards, hypocrites or bootleggers; instead, we want our German youth to become an open and straightforward race. /sample. Forcing women at gunpoint to reproduce in involuntary labor is slavery, not freedom--notwithstanding that some females are into that sort of thing. The first LP platform stopped States from pointing guns at women. It did not demand tax-looting medicine for men or women. We are the third way, neither fascist nor communist.
She believes in marriage, family, the Italians deciding how much immigration they want, and preserving Italian culture.
No, she has been around a LONG time , you just haven't paid attention until Yahoo News yelled "Fascist!"
The only rights any LGBT will ever have are human rights, past that you are a bigot of the worst sort.
This is a good beat, Robby. Go forth and do real reporting
A video by an Italian politician is weak tea compared to what his happening here. YouTube took down an interview with God republican nominee for AZ governor because she said she wanted her election to be transparent and audited to instill confidence in the results. The election that she won. That sounds like a story.
There is a loose conglomeration of legal commenters on YouTube that refer to themselves as lawtube. They have come under attack for their analysis of the Depp-Heard trial. There are paid social media attack dogs that use connections with the major companies to get people banned.
They have been targeted for elimination because they are largely conservatives/libertarians, but there are some Democrat liberals in the mix too. They have begun the process of a lawsuit against one antagonist who has targeted them (with support from youtube)
Russell Brand just got into a row with YouTube over what he terms as a minor mistake in interpreting data that he corrected. He is moving to Rumble.
Several big names joined the conversation, including Elon Musk.
Brand points out that mainstream media get things wrong all the time and their accounts are not blocked or banned, regardless of how blatant or even deliberate the error.
You can tell how deep the problem runs by simply listening to some of the larger podcasts/vlog/shows on the left and right.
You don't see The Yoing Turks tiptoeing around issues using weird euphemisms or saying they can't talk about certain topics. Even when peddling obvious lies and political propaganda, they are confident in their delivery.
But even the very largest shows on YouTube that lean right are quite circumspect about sensitive subjects. They repeatedly deal with takedown notices and strikes and demonotization.
That lean right... by today's standards. Probably plenty of historical conservative archetypes who, while they wouldn't want to wipe him and his ilk from the face of the Earth and may actually be quite content with them spending more time on YouTube, would prefer not to be friends with him.
Izzis Revealed Faith talking?
I would just like to like Ms. Meloni know that I make a mean lasagna al forno and would be willing to move to Italy.
are there lasagne not made in the forno?
What is truly amazing is Youtube only removes conservative's videos in error, never liberal's videos! Must be an unfixable algorithm.
A lie.
https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-watch-banned-from-youtube-2021-6
Finds one example ignoring the thousands of examples of it happening to the right. Focusing on a single outlier to disprove another person's hypothesis is pretty intellectually dishonest. Also, they were reinstated within an hour. Those removed on the right often have to fight to get reinstated and takes days or weeks or never.
>>reinstated within an hour
only taken down in the first place because some stupid fuck @youtube didn't understand the opposition message in the right-wing-watch name and instead knee-jerked @"right-wing"
The exception obliterates the rule.
I only need one example to show that Liberty Lover's statement was untrue.
Are you prepared to claim that it's the only example?
Her remarks in the 2019 speech, however, were well in keeping with new right political views on subjects like gender, immigration, and abortion.
So then you agree that they're right?
The fact that it was taken down at all just shows Meloni's speech was 100% spot on.
Oh it violates your Communisty "standards" all right. You just lose your nerve occasionally with enough blowback.
>>After Reason asked YouTube to explain why it took down the video, the social media site reversed course and restored it.
Reason activism-ing for the far-right dago?
Soooo....social media platforms censoring speech is a bad thing now?
It is a bad thing. You yourself used the word 'censoring'
Do you assume that this is anything but political.
"It's not clear why the video was flagged in the first place."
The left calls her a fascist. Youtube reviewers (censors) are directly from the left, or think the left tells the truth.
This really isn't hard.
This type of censorship SHOULD attract widespread scorn from ALL media outlets, not just conservative media. Unless Reason would like to admit that the non-conservative media are shills for Democrats and far left progressives? Did any MSM outlets raise objections?
Of course, Robby points out later in the article, "Silencing an argument is not the same thing as winning one." New Flash Robby, progressives do not agree with this sentiment. Clearly.
Silencing an argument is magnitudes better than winning it. That is how you obtain the mystical 98% consensus that silences all future arguments.
Like the climate change consensus that Obama told us about. "Settled science!"
Am I the only one that thought Biden’s science knowledge must be diminishingly small due to giving a whole speech on the OMNIcron virus? One semester of a classical language or any hard science and you know the ominous implications of naming a virus “Omni”-anythinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ-t3DkhKQo
What a godawful stupid and lazy man !!!
YouTube Says Giorgia Meloni Video Was Removed in Error, Restores It After Inquiry
In a long string of errors that go in one direction, and one direction only.
Bullshit.
I think it's pretty clear that Silicon Valley tech companies don't much like a strong, independent woman.
Which, Diane, also means that women (at least quite a few) also don't like strong independent women
And by the way, while I think this story is certainly noteworthy, I think this is the much bigger story.
Toby Young
PayPal backs down
At 5.30 p.m. this evening, PayPal notified me that it has restored all three of the accounts it cancelled a couple of weeks ago – the accounts for the Daily Sceptic, the Free Speech Union and my personal account. In all three cases, the email read as follows:
“ We have continued to review the information provided in connection with your account and we take seriously the input from our customers and stakeholders. Based on these ongoing reviews, we have made the decision to reinstate your account. You should now be able to use your account in the normal way. We sincerely appreciate your business and offer our apologies for any inconvenience this disruption in service may have caused. Forgive me if I don’t jump for joy. Since PayPal dropped the bombshell on 15 September, I’ve been desperately trying to save the Daily Sceptic and the Free Speech Union from going under – ‘inconvenience’ doesn’t begin to describe what I’ve been through. About a quarter of the regular donations people were making to the Daily Sceptic were being made via PayPal and about a third of the Free Speech Union’s members were paying their recurring membership dues using PayPal. We’ve had to write to all those people affected and plead with them to use a different payment processor, as well as redraw our annual budgets in anticipation of the revenue loss. So, telling me now that it was all a terrible mistake is too little, too late.
We have continued to review the information provided in connection with your account and we take seriously the input from our customers and stakeholders. Based on these ongoing reviews, we have made the decision to reinstate your account.
What this meant, is that Paypal only reversed course when the backlash was so strong that they could no longer hide from the negative press.
This is, of course, where disingenuous hacks swing into the frame and shout "The system worked!"
"This is, of course, where disingenuous hacks swing into the frame and shout “The system worked!”"
Exactly. Same issue here as I mentioned above, why isn't the non-conservative media raise scorn? I'm told over and over from progressives that it's only conservative media that has a bias. Sure seems like the un-biased media should be unhappy to see anybody get censored and un-platformed.
Oh wait, they're ignoring it or cheering it. Hmmm. So, maybe NOT so un-biased after all.
I just suspect there are certain employees at YouTube, Twitter, etc., who have the power to silence views they disagree with and have little reason to avoid using it. They just haven't made it into upper management yet and so occasionally get reversed.
There is ample proof that that is the case.
But on any reading of it, why should some low-level grunt be able to block some post. You can call it right-wing but maybe he took it down because he's gay...you can call it conservative but maybe he took it down because he wants to promote abortion.
The US Constitution avoids the error so pervasive on here of deciding rights and contracts and actions by ascribed motives and interior attitudes. It is wrong to do certain things whether X does it or "Opposite X"
YouTube Says Giorgia Meloni Video Was Removed in Error
Ha! It was intentionally removed by one of your liberal first amendment hating hacks, but it's good to see some semblance of moving towards a more moderate approach - even as I doubt there will be any real progress in this area...
On Twitter someone named "Daz" is claiming this is all fake because no Italian newspapers are covering it and he can't find Ivy Choi on linked in.
I think I found her but boy does she have a thin resume to be a google spokesperson or censor
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ivy-lin-choi/
You might as well say YouTube can do absolutely anything they want, because taking their 'explanation' as truth is all you can do. But I know they lie.
The Texas internet law seems most fair and sensible to me.
Typical is:
Netflix employees have sent 98% of their political contributions to Democrats, according to the Center for Responsive Politics’ OpenSecrets website.
Apple
Democrats - $1,243,825 (84%), Republicans - $228,653 (16%)
Amazon
Democrats - $2,677,112 (77%), Republicans - $783,349 (23%)
Now , Do you believe one word of YouTube?
We're on the verge of nuclear war and we're worried about pronouns? Anyone have any 3000 sunblock?