New York Attorney General Sues Trump for Fraud, Seeks $250 Million in Restitution
In a press conference, Letitia James accused the former president of routinely misstating the values of his properties for personal financial gain.

On Wednesday, New York State Attorney General Letitia James, a Democrat, announced that her office would be filing a civil lawsuit against former President Donald Trump, his three eldest children, and the Trump Organization, after a wide-ranging three-year investigation.
In a filing that she said comprises 23 "assets," including various New York real estate properties, James claims that the Trump family "violated several state criminal laws, including falsifying business records, issuing false financial statements, insurance fraud, and engaging in a conspiracy to commit each of these state law violations." She claims that they "created and used more than 200 false asset valuations over a ten-year period."
James charged that as head of the Trump Organization, the former president "falsely inflated his net worth by billions of dollars to unjustly enrich himself and to cheat the system." She said that in addition to state law, her office has referred certain violations, "including issuing false statements to financial institutions and bank fraud," to the Southern District of New York and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) for federal criminal investigation.
Part of the investigation involved cooperation from Allen Weisselberg, Trump's longtime CFO, who pled guilty last month to tax fraud and agreed to testify against the company.
For example, the Trump Building located at 40 Wall Street was appraised between $200-220 million between 2010 and 2012. But according to the filing, during that same period, the Trump Organization listed the building's value as around $525 million. Higher valuations allowed Trump to qualify for more money or more favorable loan terms.
James even accused Trump of fraudulently tripling the size of his residence in Trump Tower, claiming it was over 30,000 square feet when it was less than 11,000. According to James, quoting Weisselberg, the overage led to an erroneous overvaluation of "give or take $200 million."
During Trump's four years as president, numerous journalistic outfits reported on his longtime practice of overvaluing or undervaluing his assets depending on which one was advantageous. A decade before running for office, Trump even admitted in a deposition that his self-reported net worth fluctuates depending in part upon "my own feelings."
James' office is seeking restitution in the form of $250 million in "financial benefits" improperly obtained, as well as to "permanently bar Mr. Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, [and] Eric Trump from serving as an officer or director" in a New York corporation, and barring Trump himself from "entering into any New York State commercial real estate acquisition or from applying for loans from any financial institution in New York for five years." James achieved a similar judgment in a previous case involving the family's charitable nonprofit, the Trump Foundation: The family shuttered the charity, paid a $2 million fine, and Trump himself agreed to restrictions on his future service on any charitable board.
Notably, James cited multiple questions for which Trump pleaded the Fifth rather than answering. While the right to be secure against self-incrimination is one of the key features of the Bill of Rights, James intimated that Trump's refusal to answer indicated evidence of his knowing criminality. But while criminal defendants who plead the Fifth are supposed to be protected from the assumption of guilt solely because they refused to answer questions, civil defendants have no such protection against "adverse inference." In Baxter v. Palmigiano (1976), the Supreme Court ruled that "the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them."
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Utter waste of taxpayer money by the NY Attorney General. She should be made to repay the state every penny she's spent on this vendetta.
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How about we focus instead on Biden’s treason in failing to protect our southern border by willfully enabling an unfettered invasion.
They got him this time, for sure. This is the one.
Thanks for the laugh.
I don't know if they have him, but I do know that he has loans for hundreds of millions of dollars coming due soon and banks will likely be double checking the value of the property guaranteeing those loans.
And so what if the value has changed? It should. The term you need to learn is "market forces". Trump doesn't get to choose the value of his properties, only the market can do that. And if these banks even did their diligence by sending out their own appraisers—which they should have done since they needed to verify that the assets were actually worth that much—then there really is no case at all.
If the banks lent out money without verifying the value of the asset, that's on the banks, not Trump. They have last say before lending that money out.
Every property I've ever bought, sold, or mortgaged had an appraisal ordered by the lender. I've seen many purchase contracts where the appraisal came in at exactly the offered price. The reality is nobody knows the value of any property until somebody buys it in an arms length transaction. If there is an offer on the table that is the value. If not the banks are not required to accept the sellers number. I'm struggling to see a victim here least of all the city of NY which undoubtedly benefits from increased real estate taxes do to inflated property values. The whole argument is silly.
Especially since most of her cited examples had the loans already paid back in their entirety. Not sure who she claims is being harmed.
And I have been involved with hundred million dollar transactions with these same banks. They do not just have some clerk sign off on your application. They send an entire audit team.
Regardless of the outcome, I know enough from personal experience to know that at least this much of the allegations is total nonsense.
And the banks will change nothing about the process because they understand how common this is amongst developers.
Got a citation for that statement or just pulling it out of thin air?
Go do your research you lazy bum.
It isn't out of thin air. This has been discussed for over 2 years. I can't help your chosen ignorance.
Still waiting for a citation. You can discuss BS for 2 years and it still doesn't make it real.
Do you really not understand the leveraging process developers utilize? I linked it below.
I can't help intentional ignorance.
It's called actually going through the process sometimes, instead of living in your Mom's basement.
Experience?
Yeah, somehow I don't think he's being accused of 'accidentally' over-estimating his property values to avoid paying property taxes.
Exactly. The state needs to get involved why, exactly? Maybe they will need to refund his property taxes. Hilarious.
The banks already double-checked the value of the properties when they made the loan. It's called an appraisal. They're very common in the real estate industry, I hear.
Leftist commenting on this article don’t understand this about real property loans because most of them live in mommy’s basement and have never tried to get a mortgage loan.
@insanetrolllogic
I know right? Trump should be able to violate every law in the book with impunity. It's not like there aren't tons of people who went to jail for bank fruad for lying about their assets values on bank applications. Amiright?
I agree. Keep throwing prosecutions at him, something's liable to stick.
Is this a new sarcasmic sock, or is it a new retard?
He's using an @ symbol. Must be new.
They don't even bother training the new millennials at Act Blue
New retard. This is just another attempt at discrediting Trump as POTUS candidate. Nothing to see, move along...
Seems Trump has made that discrediting a whole lot easier by engaging in fraud.
It's worked for every other politician, why shouldn't it continue to work?
Mike understands nothing about how bank loans or property valuations work.
Ignorance is a feature for him.
If he was “engaging in fraud” Leticia would’ve filed criminal charges. The coward filed a civil suit to discredit. No evidence for prosecution.
Why is that necessarily true. And “because I want it to be” isn’t a valid answer.
Remember this morning how you said you always provide cites?
How the fuck have you been posting here for 13+ years and still not understand anything? You’re as bad as Tony.
"Why is that necessarily true."
Is there a criminal charge?
No?
Why not?
Feel free to provide an explanation that satisfies you.
There are criminal charges; his CFO plead guilty in that case and the Trump Organization is a co-defendant. It may not include ALL the allegations in this civil suit; but what James is asking the Court to do beyond fine them 250million is prevent them from being officers in any NY corporations, revoking business licenses etc… She is trying to get him, his kids, and every one of his myriad corporations kicked out of the State.
She referred the matter to fed prosecutors for bank fraud etc… as many of the penalties in fed land are much more severe for the same acts.
I agree if she has the goods, then charge him. Seems weak to only go the civil route… but who knows. The burden of proof is easier, the case is easier… and maybe there is already agreements with other law enforcement/prosecutorial agencies to file the criminal charges she is not pressing now (or is suing civilly for). Double jeopardy won't attach to this.
Fraud is a criminal offense. Where are the charges? Oh, that's right, there isn't enough evidence to charge him criminally, isn't that right, Letitia?
Possibly that the statute of limitations has run. It’s been almost 6 years, at a minimum since PJDT was involved at all in these businesses.
Cite?
I'm guessing a new retard. Must be a blue check from Twitter.
"Trump should be able to violate every law in the book with impunity"
No one said this.
Trump said this! Pretty much! Trump is Perfect in the eyes or orange-dick-suckers!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/24/donald-trump-says-he-could-shoot-somebody-and-still-not-lose-voters
"Pretty much!"
Ok, you convinced me.
You were ALREADY convinced that Der TrumpfenFuhrer can do NO wrong! If He slowly burns puppies to death with lit cigarettes, the puppies must have done SOMETHING horrible to DESERVE this fate!
Who are these fantastical people?
Cause it sure as fuck isn’t anybody here
Which law? be specific.
Loan originators have their own people that can make counter assessments on properties. No fraud was committed.
But of course the authoritarians now want government to determine correct values of property.
Loan originators have their own people that can make counter assessments on properties. No fraud was committed.
LOL. It's not a defence to a charge of fraud that the person who you defrauded should have done a better job of checking your fraudulent claims.
You really shouldn't get involved shrike, you have constantly proven to not understand anything past the fifth grade.
It is a defense of fraud if Trump utilized a reputable appraisal third party assessor. Banks are free to determine their own assessment. Are you unaware of these facts? It isn't fraud when someone says Agent X evaluated these properties at amount Y. If you dont' agree with Y after the fact, that doesn't mean fraud was committed. You really aren't an intelligent person shrike.
I'm guessing you are like M4E and understand nothing of what is occurring though. You just see Trump bad and then go stamp your feet like a good ignorant leftist.
Still not shrike, peasant.
Stop pretending that only you know anything. Fraud stems from the misrepresentation. If Trump hired an independent appraiser who placed a high value on the property, I agree, that is indeed not fraud.
However, if Trump hired a tame appraiser who put on an appraisal per Trump's request, or managed to persuade his lenders to use his internal appraisal, which appraisal Trump himself had supplied or directed knowing it to be inaccurate then it is fraud.
If an appraiser valued a property at a combination of $X per unleased square foot and a Y multiple of lease income - which is a routine starting point - and relied on Trump for the unleased square footage and the lease income, and Trump lied to the appraiser about the unleased footage or the lease income or other factors relevant to the appraisal - that's also fraud.
And it's still not a defence to fraud that the person defrauded should have done a better job of checking.
Please let us know what the legal definition of a tame appraiser is shrike.
Have you ever been through a loan process? Youre reading like you haven't been. Because it is on the banks to determine if they accept the appraisers estimation of value.
You seem to be ignoring this.
The banks accepted the valuations and the appraisers Trump provided. There was no fraud. They were told who did the appraisal and value.
You claiming after the fact it wasn't valid isnt fraud, it was failure to do due diligence.
I already explained below one of the ways developers maximize value properties. Such as listing the value of large lots not currently split as the value of split lots. This is a common tactic to lower tax estimates as the developers build in stages.
At this point shrike you're making a fool of yourself. The banks freely accepted the valuations and the source of said valuations. There is no fraud there.
But again, you see trump and you immediately think guilty due to your blind partisan ignorance.
Go talk to any developer about these common tactics. Educate yourself for one day of your life shrike.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-new-york-new-york-city-brooklyn-648b6d0798e19d78d9d3ad39a5578036
Deutsche Bank to pay $130 million to avoid bribery charge
Trump bribed (wined and dined) this exact same bank!
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-deutsche-bank-donald-trump
Why Did Deutsche Bank Keep Lending to Donald Trump? — “Trump, Inc.” Podcast
Why? Because Trump wined and dined (flattered and bribed, and lied to) bank officers!!!
The contrast between what JesseAZ claims about how appraisal works and what the articles reported is the way appraisal worked in this case is most entertaining. One might almost get the impression that JesseAZ knows fuck all and was just pulling crap out of his capacious arse.
How do you bribe a non-public official? Private actors wining and dining other private actors is literally how business has been done for millennia.
If you were the CEO or a stockholder, you would NOT give a shit if the Vice Prez was making WAAAAY bad decisions, 'cause he got wined and dined? Corporations put WAY sharp limits on that kind of thing, for VERY good reasons!!!
Here is a spectacular case which demonstrates, as before, that the reality JesseAZ claim to know about is not exactly reality.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-05-20-mn-4011-story.html
But investigators say his failure went well beyond innocent overextension and that he tricked banks into lending him money by faking rental contracts and forging blueprints in ways that substantially overstated the value of his holdings.
FWIW I was particularly amused when the original story came out. I had been giving a risk management seminar to Deutsche Bank personnel and the day before the FT reported on this, I had been telling them of the dangers of relying on documented asset valuations.
A while later, I found out that one of the properties that Schneider had borrowed money against was 5 minutes’ walk from DB’s front door. He had overstated the area of the building and DB took his word. All a loan officer would have had to do was walk over and inspect the property, and they would likely have realised. Schneider had had excellent relationships with senior DB bankers…
Your prescription about how real estate loans are made will apply to your basic mortgage and commercial lending, but when you’re dealing with pathological cases – both the lending and the borrower – your naive ideas simply don’t work.
"aking rental contracts and forging blueprints"
Cite the accusations of Trump doing that.
I didn't say Trump did. This merely shows that the process that JesseAz claims happens in real life doesn't always. DB could always have done due diligence on the leases and the size of the building - but didn't.
"This merely shows that the process that JesseAz claims happens in real life doesn’t always."
But why cite something not even alleged? You could cite somebody who murdered somebody and have identical levels of usefulness.
"DB could always have done due diligence on the leases and the size of the building – but didn’t."
Submitting forged documents is more than mildly different from providing an estimate of value, advising you of who is providing the estimate, and you going along with it and choosing to loan them money which was paid back (given no civil suit for failure to repay).
And the bank should have been held partially negligent in that case as well for not doing their due diligence.
"However, if Trump hired a tame appraiser who put on an appraisal per Trump’s request, or managed to persuade his lenders to use his internal appraisal, which appraisal Trump himself had supplied or directed knowing it to be inaccurate then it is fraud."
Trump is singularly incapable of loaning himself money. If a bank did not appraise property...that seems to be the problem of the bank, not of Trump.
If I tell a bank my house is worth a billion dollars and they give me a loan based on that...the bank were the morons.
The issue is not what the banks should or shouldn't have done, but what Trump did.
"The victim should have checked" is not a defence to a charge of fraud.
If I tell you "This is my valuation of my property", you are more than free to use a different value. This suit has zero merit, but keep on hoping that THIS time, they got him.
If they act on your representation and it turns out later that not only were you wrong, you knew you were wrong, you're guilty of fraud even if they should have checked and even if they don't end up losing money.
This is basic stuff.
I am guessing the $250M recovery will cover some of that cost.
Given that the odds of them getting even 1 million is extremely low...probably not.
A bank, just to avoid stockholder lawsuits, is not going to admit "Well, we lend whatever the borrower says his property is worth. Of course we do not check that."
So many lawyers dealing with real estate and loans have already said this lawsuit has no merits. A lot of it stems from Trump's corporations maximizing valuations for loans while minimizing valuations for taxes. Something done by every developer. Some of the tactics are doing things like evaluation property not currently split into extra lots when applying for loans, but keeping lots zoned as single lots until read to build for tax purposes. Every developer does this.
NYC is about to have a lot of angry developers petitioning if this goes forward as their entire business model is at risk now.
"So many lawyers dealing with real estate and loans have already said this lawsuit has no merits."
Got a citation for this? How about names, what real estate lawyers said the lawsuit has no merit?
Are you the new mike? Demanding things that you yourself will not provide?
Right now search engines are dominated by the "breaking news" as the algorithms seed the story over the analysis. This has been discussed for over 2 years.
Do what a normal person does, find someone who has worked in development and talk to them about corporate strategy on development.
Every company tries to maximize valuations while minimizing taxes. Are you truly unaware of this?
Have you ever applied for loans and seen the lender has the right to provide their own appraisers?
Here is a 2016 story from Wapo explaining one of the ways they minimize tax liabilities.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/04/how-donald-trump-and-other-real-estate-developers-pay-almost-nothing-in-taxes/
They being real estate developers.
Here is the common process where you leverage other properties to buy more. Almost every developer will maximize the values of their leveraged property to obtain better terms.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/mortgages-real-estate/10/increase-your-real-estate-net-worth.asp
The suit holds no water. Just start crying your lib tears now, get a head start.
Only if they plan on running for office as a Republican.
Zzz...
Sues him, huh? Not arrested?
Do they not have appraisers in New York?
Government appraisers have decided the property values are different. They demand tithes from the masses.
When I pay property taxes in Missouri, it's based on what the county's appraisers say the value of my property is. I can't just scratch out that line and write in a value that I feel is more appropriate. I can file an appeal, but it's typically with someone in the same office as the guy who appraised my property.
The same is true of my large scale commercial clients, as far as I can tell.
My community allows me to use the valuation of the property from an appraiser I've paid if I want (say I had it for refinancing).
In this case though it is the claims on loans from banks.
Notably, James cited multiple questions for which Trump pleaded the Fifth rather than answering. While the right to be secure against self-incrimination is one of the key features of the Bill of Rights, James intimated that Trump’s refusal to answer indicated evidence of his knowing criminality.
Holy fucking shit. Did anyone here, including the staff at Reason watch the Rittenhouse trial? I’m going to guess not.
During the Trial, the prosecutor intimated during questioning that Rittenhouse’s refusal to answer a question on the fifth amendment was evidence of knowing criminality. The judge came down on that prosecutor like the fires from the 9th level of hell telling him that he was on the edge of declaring a mistrial– that refusal to answer based on the 5th was Diamond-Hard, Iron-Clad constitutional right and any lawyer that suggest that was a basis for guilt in open court is flirting with a mistrial.
But I’m guessing the Rittenhouse trial was “too local”.
Reason doesn’t care how many laws are broken to get Trump.
6 years of going after a man and not a crime and Reason has tacitly applauded.
Tacitly?
Good point. They have advocated it in many instances.
If you read the article, you will note that in a civil trial the plaintiff is allowed to tell the jury that the defendant used the 5th amendment to avoid answering questions.
From the above: In Baxter v. Palmigiano (1976), the Supreme Court ruled that "the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them."
Baxter v. Palmigiano hasn't been overturned...yet.
Just because there's a SCOTUS ruling does not make it valid (constitutional). See Roe v. Wade.
The leftists will circumvent civil rights when it suits them, but scream when the same issues negatively impact them. They fail to realize we should support all civil rights, even those from opposing political ideologies.
Are you suggesting that SCOTUS would overturn it to help Trump?
They’d overturn it if it was unconstitutional.
Doesn’t the rule of law suck?
Actually they can still plead the fifth if the lawsuit is being asked to extend to a criminal trial. James has already sent a request to the DoJ to follow up on criminal charges, so yes he can plead the fifth.
You can plead the fifth in civil and criminal cases. A plaintiff can bring up the fact that you pled the fifth, a prosecutor cannot.
And knowing that James has asked for a criminal expansion of the trial, it will likely be a means to overturn the initial trial if the prosecutor does so.
Knowingly violating criminal protections by first pushing a civil trial is not something appeals courts like to see.
Which would seem to indicate that this is legal harassment rather than a solid case of provable wrongdoing against Trump.
Hey, no fair using knowledge. You're supposed to rely on your biases and fragments you picked up from right-wing bloggers.
Says one of the most biased posters here.
I am indeed biased. But I also have knowledge and I don't rely on blogs and fake news websites. I let people like you rely on them.
"But I’m guessing the Rittenhouse trial was “too local”."
It didn't go the way they wanted it to, so it's been memoryholed.
The judge came down on that prosecutor like the fires from the 9th level of hell
Sadly, no he didn't. He yelled at him a bit, but didn't even throw Binger's scummy shyster ass in jail for even a single day. He should have dismissed the charges with prejudice and given Binger six months for contempt.
-jcr
"Holy fucking shit. Did anyone here, including the staff at Reason watch the Rittenhouse trial? I’m going to guess not."
Yeah, pretty sure this is wildly illegal. Cannot use usage of constitutional rights against somebody.
The attention Donald Trump has craved all his life maybe catching up with him.
This time will be different!
At least once a day, someone here will post a comment saying, “Why is everyone talking about Trump?” Which is the most disingenuous thing in the world, since Trump spends all his time trying to get everyone talking about Trump.
He has millions of you freaks doing free publicity for him.
Again.
Can you imagine if they can’t get any of these claims or theatrics to stick and he gets the nomination in 2024?
I’m pretty sure they’ll all suffer aneurysms.
This is interesting: she is bringing a civil case against him but alleging that he violated state criminal laws.
I know that pleading the fifth can be used against a party in a civil case. An adverse inference can be drawn in the civil case under a civil cause of action. But when the state Attorney general is alleging a violation of the criminal laws, albeit in a civil case, Does the fifth amendment privilege against self-incrimination then apply?
As far as I know, yes. She has threatened criminal charges and asked the DoJ to pursue, so believe he can.
Ponder that a moment - the Attorney General of the State of New York, with all of the laws of the State of New York at her disposal, is arguing that the best SHE can do is a civil case and begs the federal Department of Justice to come to the rescue on the criminal side.
That's as laughable as it is pathetic, except of course for the morons barking like seals for more fish.
I would not be surprised if Trump decided to structure his defense to become very uncomfortable for the larger NYC real estate community. The matter will be dropped. The NYC real estate community are major donors to the state Democratic machine.
I am not that sure Donald Trump is that well-liked by the NY real estate community. If you been playing by the rules, you may not be happy that your competitor did not play by the rules.
Being liked by the NYC real estate community isn't the issue. Making NYC real estate appraisals subject to third-party second-guessing (and consequent lawsuits) might be a big issue. If Trump can push the matter that the price of "getting" him is that the books are opened up for review all around, that's going to be matter that the real estate community, and their "victims" in the banking community, are going to like even less than Donald Trump. Especially with fragile commercial real estate valuations going into a recession.
All of the Real Estate developers utilize the same processes James accuses Trump of dummy.
Dude, it’s not cool to pick on the retarded.
I'M LETITIA JAMES, BITCH!!!!
"prosecutorial power is a helluva drug."
In Baxter v. Palmigiano (1976), the Supreme Court ruled that "the Fifth Amendment does not forbid adverse inferences against parties to civil actions when they refuse to testify in response to probative evidence offered against them."
Any lawyers out there - wondering how that works when criminal charges could still be pending. My first thought was to Bill Cosby who provided testimony for a civil trial because he was granted immunity from criminal prosecution.
Easy. It's a civil trial, they will bring him up to a NY jury and not a single one of them will vote in favor of trump, regardless of the evidence. This is a show trial for extortion puposes, anyone who thinks otherwise is evil or retarded.
Except in this case Trump did not provide testimony. The plaintiff can use that fact in the civil case for damages and the prosecution cannot use that fact if criminal charges are brought.
Trump ran a casino in jersey, and they still don’t have anything on him.
Earlier today in Reason:
He Didn't Break Any Rules. New York City Is Demanding He Pay a Fine Anyway
The Big Apple's building regulations are almost impossible to navigate, and officials like it that way.
Different, that guy wasn't Trump.
She has no fucking case. If she did, she'd file criminal charges. She went civil because the case is so weak.
And does she even have standing?
Talk about desperation....
"And does she even have standing?"
TDS?
I was going to ask that up thread. I’m betting that she can claim the state has standing because of property taxes.
A competent lawyer, I would think, would be able to argue that means the government made more in property taxes then they should have, not just from Trumps properties but from the surrounding properties values being increased.
Tax assessments are very different than when you are assessing the value of something to refinance it.
Except that the appraised value is built on the sale price, which is the agreed to price.
I own a subdivision in MT, and sold a bunch of lots a year ago. Amazingly, the appraised (and thus assessed) value jumped significantly for the sold lots, but stayed the same for the lots next door that haven’t sold yet. The unsold lots were appraised at maybe $2k, and the sold lots at maybe $50k.
Trump, on the other hand, has a very strong case against her for maliciously filing a frivolous suit.
-jcr
Higher valuations allowed Trump to qualify for more money or more favorable loan terms. No it didn't. HIs opinion simply allowed him to negotiate with equals, for more money or more favorable terms. If they loaned on 500 million instead of 200 million or the change in his pocket, so what. It was their risk to take, not Trumps. I thought Reason was all in for 'caveat emptor' but I guess I was mistaken.
You could make the case that it was the banks fault, but the bank's stockholders may not see it the same way.
Banks loan on debt financing. Assuming the loans were paid off, there wasn't any realized loss. And the appraisers for the loans were likely reputable third parties referred by the banks.
Like I said above, if Trump can make the claim NYC real estate practice, if he can show he followed standard practice, this case goes away quickly.
Dude, the more you post on this subject, the more ignorant you show yourself to be.
I can say my property is worth X. It's the banks responsibility to appraise the value of that property. In fact, it's the law in most states; although commercial property laws are much different than residential mortgage.
Bottom line: determining the value of property as collateral is 100% the responsibility of the lender.
The banks didn’t lose anything. Most of the loans have been paid off or wrapped by now. For a bank to win a case for fraud, they would need to show that they had lost money, and absent losing money through foreclosure, etc, that is unlikely.
Until, IIRC, the time of Henry VIII, embezzlement was not a crime in England - it was thought that it was up to the employer to detect it...
Who was damaged? Were loans unpaid?
Trump haters.
I am absolutely positive nothing about this investigation was politically motivated.
Haha, right. If this case ever makes a court room, the first thing the Trump defense will submit into evidence is Leticia James' campaign promise to prosecute Trump of a crime. Any crime.
Then they’ll unveil their next scheme.
I am quite sure she has a judge lined up that will be willing to exclude things that help Trump
Nothing says “libertarian” like cheering political prosecutions
So, if you appeal the tax valuation of your house, and then subsequently sell the house for more than the appraisal, should you be prosecuted for fraud?
Depends.
1) Are you a conservative?
If yes, then yes.
If no, then no.
Talk about a witch-hunt.
Democrats are really showing their Nazi Symbols.
Every business keeps multiple valuations of its assets. A building can have an insured value, a loan value (based on the owner's equity and the income it produces), a replacement value, an appraised value, and I could probably come up with a few more values if I thought about it.
The AG didn't start with a violation and then investigate to find the perp, she started with the perp and dug until she found (or invented) a violation. That's the difference between a free society and a police state dictatorship.
Hell, watch PBS Antiques Roadshow where the appraisers will give a value for auction and then recommend they get an insurance appraisal of considerably higher than that.
And that's government propaganda recommending it.
"...The AG didn’t start with a violation and then investigate to find the perp, she started with the perp and dug until she found (or invented) a violation. That’s the difference between a free society and a police state dictatorship..."
From SF conversations, it seems this view is gaining adherents, and the mid-terms might suggest same to the TDS-addled piles of lefty shit involved in such.
Have I misunderstood something? From the uscourts dot gov website:
To begin a civil lawsuit in federal court, the plaintiff files a complaint with the court and “serves” a copy of the complaint on the defendant. The complaint describes the plaintiff’s damages or injury, explains how the defendant caused the harm, shows that the court has jurisdiction, and asks the court to order relief.
How exactly was the State of New York damaged by Trump (even if he overvalued properties) getting more favourable loan rates? In fact, didn't the state benefit from Trump being able to conduct more business activity, and hence pay more taxes, in the State of New York?
Tucker explained the real reason last night: Letitia James is facing re-election, and is behind in the polls, and this is just a stunt to boost her campaign.
this is just a stunt to boost her campaign.
That's part of it of course, but the primary motivation here is her foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of Trump. Dershowitz even said she should recuse herself.
-jcr
Another bogus article from TReason.com
A 3 year criminal investigation and the best she can come up with is a bogus lawsuit. Okay, who is the injured party? All loans were paid back with interest, so no one. Duh!
New York real estate fluctuates wildly, and different source will have different values to properties. New Flash! Banks have real estate assessors that look at real estate to see if properties are worth loan values so they don't get screwed. Especially if they are multi-million dollar loans. It is called due diligence.
They obviously agreed with Trump's teams assessments.
So we have no crime, no fraud, but an elected official that said her one soul purpose in office was to "get Trump" who seems to be losing her re-election bid filing a bogus lawsuit against Trump. Her purpose and the rest of the Democrats purpose isn't even to prove Trump a criminal because they already know they can't do that as he is not, but to harass him legally until he is bankrupt.
You would think a real libertarian site would find that disgusting, but not TReason.com