DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment
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"We're sending migrants to her backyard to call on the Biden Administration," Texas governor says. Republican politicians are moving migrant asylum seekers around the U.S. with little thought to their needs or well-being, instead using them like pawns in a disgraceful game of political one-upmanship.
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott sent two buses of migrants from Texas to nearby the home of Vice President Kamala Harris in Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis sent two planes of migrants to Martha's Vineyard, a small island and vacation destination in Massachusetts. The migrants were flown to Martha's Vineyard after being sent from Texas to Florida.
Some of those sent say they were misled about where they were going, Reuters reports. One told Reuters that they had been promised short-term support, work permits, and English lessons. But services in Martha's Vineyard didn't even know they were arriving.
Republican leaders explain that they're making a point about immigration policy and how America needs to secure its borders…as if it's morally acceptable to simply use people at their most vulnerable to make such a point. Abbott, DeSantis, and those cheering them seem to forget these are people, not chess pieces. People who came to America seeking opportunity, protection, and rights—and in return got treated like inanimate objects in bids to score points against political opponents.
"Harris claims our border is 'secure' [and] denies the crisis," Abbott tweeted. "We're sending migrants to her backyard to call on the Biden Administration to do its job [and] secure the border."
If Abbott's assertions don't make it clear enough that this is merely a political stunt, one need only look at the way these operations are going down.
If this were just a matter of resources being spread too thin in border states, facilities being full, or jobs being more abundant elsewhere, leaders in Florida, Texas, and Arizona (which has also been busing migrants to other states) would coordinate with states where they were sending people—or at least give them some advance warning. They would also pick places where migrants could be conveniently received. Instead, they're sending busloads of migrants to these places unannounced, and dropping them off without warning at places like the vice president's house.
"The fact that Fox News, and not the Department of Homeland Security, the city or local NGOs were alerted about a plan to leave migrants, including children, on the side of a busy D.C. street makes clear that this was just a cruel premeditated political stunt," said White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre.
I know the idea is supposed to be that border states don't know when migrants will arrive, or in what numbers, so this is giving Democratic-controlled locales a taste of that. But border states are nonetheless prepared for migrant arrivals more generally. They have systems in place—and ample federal assistance—in addressing their arrival. It is not the same to simply send buses or planes full of people to places with no expectation that they're coming.
"Carla Bustillos, a volunteer working with NGOs that care for migrants, said the coalition of organizations was waiting for the buses to arrive at Union Station, only to find they had dropped the migrants off outside the Vice President's residency," reports Reuters.
"While we're doing this political show, we have human beings feeling that their suffering is being exploited," Bustillos told Reuters. "They have come to the United States to seek asylum and they have been told to get on these buses and promised that an organization would receive them here, give them food, shelter and a job."
If we just let people who arrive freely connect with employers, communities, and charities instead of jumping through a million legal hoops, many more of them would simply get themselves where they need to go—and go on to contribute to the beautiful pluralism and diversity that makes America great. Having migrants in your community isn't a punishment, something Abbott and DeSantis seem to have lost sight of.
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DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment
Wealthy liberals, on the other hand, can do their "out of sight out of mind" thing.
Open borders Uber alles. Just keep those people down there.
Immigrants improve life wherever they go...as long as it not a progressive enclave.
Look, one whiny but sympathetic woman from El Salvador "hiding" in the local progressive Catholic Church is a community asset. Hundreds of suspect brown people hanging around in town is, um, uncomfortable.
In a move that should shock nobody, sanctuary city Martha's Vineyard is already kicking the illegals out.
They already had all the gardener’s they needed.
It’s getting to be fall. Desantis should try again in spring.
Democrats now want everyone to play fair. I hope DeSantis and Abbott send thousands to Rheoboth, Pelosi and Schumers homes and the home of every Governor that declares their state a sanctuary for Criminal Illegal Aliens. ,
Democrats now want everyone to play fair. I hope DeSantis and Abbott send thousands to Rheoboth, Pelosi and Schumers homes and the home of every Governor that declares their state a sanctuary for Criminal Illegal Aliens. , …..
Next stop should be The Hamptons on Long Island.
What about Davos?
Leave that to Orban?
In the middle of a WEF meeting.
With parachutes!
That would be cruel. They would all be shot. The Davos set is well armed and they don't rub elbows with well washed Westerners let alone poor migrants.
Liberals are the most generous people in history, always giving away other peoples money to help the poor.
And not just money, but jobs, homes, parks, and even cultures. Liberals are truly generous.
Don’t forget hospital beds and school desks.
And Affordable Housing!
The average income in Martha's Vineyard is $133,000. In Eagle Pass it is $57,000. Of course the people in Eagle Pass can handle the migrant wave better - they have lower expectations.
"And not just money, but jobs, homes, parks, and even cultures. Liberals are truly generous."
Culture being the most important giveaway.
"There is no virtue in compulsory government charity, and there is no virtue in advocating it. A politician who portrays himself as "caring" and "sensitive" because he wants to expand the government's charitable programs is merely saying that he's willing to try to do good with other people's money. Well, who isn't? And a voter who takes pride in supporting such programs is telling us that he'll do good with his own money – if a gun is held to his head."
– P.J. O'Rourke
Once upon a time O’Rourke’s work would fit in here.
He sold out his critical thinking processes before the end too.. so he prob would still fit in here.
"...within normal parameters..."
Touché
I will remind our editor that the Biden administration has been secretly transporting illegal immigrants to red states by the tens or hundreds of thousands. It has been covered here, so it shouldn't be news. Florida is one of the places where planes land in the middle of the night so cameras can't cover it.
The idea that Reason thinks providing transportation to illegals who volunteer to go is punishment and wrong is ... well, it is offensive to be honest.
Only a hard partisan could have that interpretation. There is no honest path to "sending illegal immigrants who were dropped off in small, poorer cities to the wealthiest areas in America" is abusive to the immigrants.
Would you rather have 10,000 illegals showing up in a rural city of 28,000, or in New York city? Who can better absorb those numbers?
This is political theater, but it is perfectly on point political theater. Every single complaint they are making has been made by these border towns and by governors for border states for decades.
Example of the perfection of this political move:
https://twitter.com/rncresearch/status/1570396002326044675
Imagine this is the republican Mayor of a small Texas city. Do any of you really believe Reason would sympathize with her plight of having to get rid of these illegals?
Not a chance.
More perfection:
https://twitter.com/rncresearch/status/1570396002326044675
They were able to get this local interview because of this political stunt.
They have been able to get the Mayor of Chicago to demand federal action on the national problem of illegal immigration. Because a couple of bussloads showed up in her city.
A couple of bussloads.
It wasn't a national problem when 15,000 showed up small towns in flyover states. But a couple of busses brought the nation's 3rd largest city to their knees.
Reason is just 100% wrong on this one. There is absolutely zero angle where that take is right.
Even if you "both sides" the issue... Biden has been using this as a demographics tool by the millions, shipping illegals he invited in into small town America. So a fee thousand sent to wealthy areas that can easily absorb the numbers is bad... but the wholesale alteration of entire cities with overwhelming numbers is.. fine?
Less than 0.05% of the migrants being shipped to blue areas outraged Reason.
Same Tweet
Dammit
The first one was supposed to be this one
https://twitter.com/theh2/status/1570499501756121089
Really blows the impact.
I tried to send the original link, not the retweet. For some reason, Google is not allowing that to be pasted
As someone elsewhere pointed out, DeSantis' stunt has no juice unless Martha's Vineyard and journalists react exactly as they are. The fact it took only 50 to produce that reaction was a masterstroke.
If they had gladly accepted them, prepared or not, would have signaled border states would be free to transport more there. He really couldn't fail one way or the other, but his point was expertly made here.
I honestly think it's brilliant politics. Also hilarious.
And it's not to say it's not distasteful, but these aren't helpless migrants and certainly not helpless wealthy liberals. The asylum seekers successfully made their way here to be part of the American experience. A big part of what it has to offer is political parties using government to fuck with you in all kinds of ways.
Completely agree. Reason is dead wrong here "Republican politicians are moving migrant asylum seekers around the U.S. with little thought to their needs or well-being, instead using them like pawns in a disgraceful game of political one-upmanship" Little thoughts to their needs or well-being! That's absurd. Calling attention to the issue is the best way to address their needs and well being. And their needs and well-being certainly are not better met in the overwhelmed border towns. This is probably the worst thought out article from Reason in quite some time. We need to improve the immigration system and allow for more legal immigration (without using taxpayer money to house, feed, and provide medical care -- they can get jobs which are quite abundant). That doesn't have a chance of even being discussed unless attention is brought to the issue - which is exactly what is happening by the busing program.
The Democrat mayor of El Paso is bussing illegals to New York City. All of those sent by Governor Abbot have signed consent forms - in several languages including Spanish - saying where the bus is going and agreeing that is where they want to go. A free trip is not punishment.
Cool. And did they tell them the truth about where they are going?
saying where the bus is going
Are you an idiot mike?
Yes. Yes it is an idiot.
It was given a talking points, and it repeats what it was told to say, even if it makes no sense to do so.
And how.
Thirded.
These were consent form, so yes, Mike, they did. Do you have problems with reading comprehension?
No he has a problem with conservatives, republicans, and libertarians. This MF will say anything to push he democrat narrative. This comment is a perfect example. The same shit being regurgitated on Twitter. Signed consent form = kidnapping; if you're a lefty.
1) I have a problem with “… and libertarians”? Since when?
Caw caw!
Also, I only asked a question above.
And a CNN segment where they interviewed migrants getting on these buses.
https://t.co/gBS40lzJDk
Oh. They are willing. You don't say.
Why does that matter? They could have been just as well taking them to deportation camps or prison. They are all taken somewhere that is not as overwhelmed as the small border towns (which also happen to be locations that have professed to welcome them and are better equipped to handle them).
Chicago moved the immigrants recently recoeved to the suburb cities immediately.
ENB will cover that in tomorrows roundup.
And without alerting them first. Just ask the mayor of Burr Ridge.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/burr-ridge-mayor-fires-back-at-lightfoot-pritzker-after-migrants-were-secretly-bussed-to-his-village
Huh... thar completely debunks everything ENB said.
Let's see if there is a retraction and reframing.
HAHAHA!
More lawns to mow?
Obama's 29 ac estate on Martha's Vineyard should easily be able to host a few thousand migrants on its grounds.
But sea level rise!
Not to mention. the governors are providing voluntary transport to SANCTUARY CITIES, places that have openly expressed their support for the care and feeding of the illegal aliens. Whereas the federal government is shipping illegal aliens to Podunk, Tennessee in the middle of the night and expecting the small towns to not only welcome them but provide for them.
Not just sypport for the idea. They proclaim that they will not allow any deportation of illegals on their turf.
There really is not even a sliver of an opening for them to complain.
Not just care and feeding, but love!
Glad to see these immigrants now feeling actual progressive love.
This s a strategic move to turn red states into blue states. Once the illegals are allowed to vote.
Therefore, Reason contributors will call out the hypocrisy of the "sanctuary cities" politicians!!
Wait...whaaat??? Oh, I see. It's a hypocrisy that Reason writers SHARE. Who knew?
I think what Reason might have an issue with, or at least ENB, is that these people are being used as political props. She's not wrong that it's distasteful, but at the same time she might have the moral high ground if she had been disturbed by the fact Democrats have been using illegal immigration as a political prop for decades at the expense of border states.
While I might not love the idea of this bussing, as someone from a small town in Texas I get it. Since it's voluntary on the part of the illegal immigrant, I really don't see a major issue with the practice beyond the expense of the bussing which we'd have to admit is a drop in the bucket of what illegal immigration costs border states.
Basically, the outrage over this is absurd. The 'sanctuary cities' nonsense was always posturing since they were quite confident those filthy immigrants wouldn't make it to their cities in the first place. Well, now they are and we see how they 'handle' even a small taste of what Texas and the rest of the border see every day.
I will offer the conjecture that it is not at all that the immigrants are being used as props, but entirely who they are being used as props for.
As you note. It is only now that we see a reaction, not when hundreds of thousands were being sent to small towns across red state America.
But the real giveaway is the time lag. Reason waited to be told by the left what to think. This is their wheelhouse. There is not one writer at reason who should not be able to field this off the top of their head. Yet... Wait. And the take?
Only about the horror of being "used as punishment"... Which doesn't even imply that they suffered any harm at all.
But it scored points for team R, so it is totally evil. Which is a fine way to frame things if you are a Democrat.
But not if you are a libertarian.
In my view, a libertarian would say bring on the immigrants but only after we get our house in order and do away with entitlement programs (which will never happen by choice).
To do anything else is to create a caste society where a group of government leeches lives off the labor of a lower class with no recognized rights. All of it under the 'management' of a political class that ultimately decides everything for everyone.
And to be clear, I do think these illegal immigrants are a political prop for both parties but the reasons for doing so are not equal. I wish it didn't come to this, but blue dominated area's of the country are essentially mandating that red dominated area's along the border pay the costs of their supposed 'good will' while they do essentially nothing. That is also not ok, and it's not ok for the specific people the government ostensibly represents as opposed to those they absolutely do not represent.
All this.
Orwellian double think. The ability to hold two opposing views equally.
We enthusiastically vote for and endorse SANCTUARY jurisdictions for a world of perhaps three billion sanctuary seekers & closed borders created the holocaust
Sending sanctuary seekers to sanctuary jurisdictions is like Hitler and the holocaust- Leather Jacket
Perhaps these coastal trust fund babies have been pumped with so many Psychologist prescribed pharmaceuticals antidepressants, cocaine addled etc., they believe both at the same time
*three billion sanctuary seekers. Closed borders created the holocaust
^
This is it exactly. But regarding the political prop angle: People on the left believe their ideas and policies are superior, but their ideas and policies are often nonsensical, and they're not why the left has achieved a dominant position in our society. They've achieved that because they are perceived as good. To be on the left, to espouse their positions, to voice their platitudes, is to be good. It's nonsense, but that's the way it's been now for decades. The left has been taking off their masks of their own accord in a myriad of ways these past several years, but stunts like these force them to remove their masks in ways they don't intend and haven't planned for. They don't have messaging ready and aren't prepared to control the narrative on the ground. This has value in that it helps erode the idea that the left are good. The left's dominance ends when people begin viewing their major players for what they are, malignant charlatans.
I was thinking if hotels on California can be forced to home the homeless in empty rooms - the estates in Martha's Vinyard can be forced to home them in empty rooms as well.
A good number of MV homes are part-time second homes owned by very (VERY!) privileged people. As I understand, progressives advocate confiscating unfair riches, and turning them over to the needy.
Well, at least the ones that vote Democrat. They're voting for socialism/communism, so walk the talk bitches.
,
In response, Keith Chatinover, a Democrat Duke County commissioner, told MVTimes in October 2021, “I would love Martha’s Vineyard to become a haven for new immigrants to this country, but Senator Cruz has no idea what he’s talking about regarding a ‘border crisis.'”
Sounds like match point.
Cite?
https://thefederalist.com/2022/09/16/local-officials-wanted-marthas-vineyard-to-be-a-haven-for-illegals-until-migrants-actually-arrived/
Thanks
The next busloads should be sent to
5737 Mesmer Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90230
and
1747 Connecticut Ave NW, Washington, DC 20009
and
on Koch's doorstep.
Yep! Hypocrites! Libtard Democrat SCUM are fine with all this mass illegal immigration....so long as these people don't end up on THEIR front steps! They're pimping these people out for votes!!! Democrat trash!!!!!
Since when is it "Reasonable" to have a country without borders. How does one even define one? And is it "Reasonable" for the President to refuse to enforce the law, and "unReasonable" to send illegals to sanctuary cities where people will welcome them? I feel like I'm living in an Orwellian nightmare.
“People who came to America seeking….”
They always seem to skip right over the fact that there are rules for this, and these “seekers” ignored them.
Abolishing the rules would be a disaster, seeing as how the proponents of that idea can’t even handle a small taste of what that looks like.
Enforcing the rules does provide an excellent opportunity for virtue signaling, right up until the border states take you up on your “sanctuary” offer. Then it becomes “cruel”.
Hilarious.
Technically, tight border control is a 19th/20th-century invention. States and nations have existed a lot longer than the ability to police their own borders. Border control prior to that was usually more limited in scope to certain periods and only in case of emergencies (like keeping ships at anchor in harbors to avoid diseases the passenger may carry or those rare times when a state actually had an army on the border to police it, usually more focussed on keeping the "enemy" out than, say, foreign merchants. So "border control" hasn't historically been a defining quality of a political state. Control of who counts as a "citizen" on the other hand, that is really ancient. That is why the Constitution talks about congressional power with respect to naturalization and citizenship, but not border control...it wasn't a thing back then.
DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment
Punishment? It’s a gift! All those delicious food trucks, all those hard working immigrants! So much diversity! C’mon man!
I’m so confused about Reason’s stance on immigrants.
One man's trash...?
Don't think of them as people, but only as an abstract political issue.
Until it's Republicans transplanting them. That confers their humanity back on to them.
This really is a both parties are treating immigrants as political chess pieces. I don't think the transplant move is some kind of ethically good maneuver - but I understand. /Chris Rock voice
"'Cause you neeeeever know!"
In this case, it is the only option left. The Left loves forcing red border states to pay for illegal immigration. They have to be forced to share the burden they are imposing on others.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/15/987618530/why-the-u-s-government-is-dropping-off-migrants-in-rural-arizona-towns
Last year. Proggies celebrating dumping illegals in small rural towns. It is a good thing, see?
NPR. National Poser Radio.
A̶n̶t̶i̶f̶a̶ Illegal immigration is an idea, not an organization - Sleepy Joe
Out editor has outed herself as a DNC propagandist. Left libertarian for most of her career, but this summer we have become just another Democrat rag, with a few libertarian articles stuck in there.
The progtards and lolberts agreed on the menu long ago. At this point, they're just arguing over who's going to pick up the check.
But they have no plans on picking up the check themselves. It's more about who they're going to foist the costs onto.
Koch?
Not sure they're "arguing" about it so much as disagreeing over how to break the bad news to you.
Reason is a progressive magazine: they think it's the job of government to improve society. They reason they call themselves "libertarian" is simply that they disagree with other progressives on some progressive policies.
Reason's justification for free markets, trade, and migration policies is "the policies we advocate improve the average well-being of humans on this planet", the same justification as used by progressives and socialists. Whose rights get trampled on in the process, they don't care about.
Well said.
Most of the staff also exudes self-absorbed cultural superiority and coastal elitism. They cosplay libertarian with their progressive friends for attention.
It's really surprising to me. How quickly their tune changed is what caught me off guard. I would have thought they'd put up a contrarian stance for a little bit, but they turned to it being an emergency almost immediately.
Their hypocrisy shouldn’t have surprised you. It’s on display daily with other issues.
There stance is open-borders NIMBYism. It's fine when illegal immigrants are just dumped off on border communities and red states but it's a humanitarian crisis when a blue city that constantly talks about being a "sanctuary" actually has to be a fraction as open-minded and compassionate as they claim to be.
Their*
Seeing the sign at Martha's Vinyard about how compassionate they are to immigrants then having the head of the homeless shelter director say the illegal immigrants have to move on was just too perfect.
Observing people decry this spectacle shows them for the patzers they really are.
Why? It was a scummy thing to do to them.
To who?
Moving them from underpasses in TX to Martha's Vineyard is scummy?
Republicans doing something, especially if it calls out liberal hypocrisy, is scummy.
- Joe
Also, Mike.
Why do you use the words "done to them"? As if they are incapable of understanding that they are voluntarily getting on a plane that will take them to Massachusetts? Or on a bus headed to D.C. or NYC? That seems pretty racist.
Uh huh. Because I read the reporting on what actually happened.
Which reporting? The leftist narratives regarding it?
Apparently you haven’t
Let me guess, you read it in Rolling Stone?
He has never read Rolling Stone sir.
I forgot about that. What a clown Mike is.
No, the very articles linked to in the blog post above (Reuter’s?).
Mike. Some of CNN reporting.
https://t.co/gBS40lzJDk
I look forward to your cite of this reporting.
I think it's scummy, but so is saying immigrants are welcome and whispering as long as they're far from my doorstep.
Residents of MV are shocked that their ideological opponents called them out as full of shit in an effective manner - by treating them to a small taste of what they have been advocating.
Patzer is a chess term for a weak player. Using people as chess pieces is revolting (not to mention the author's preferred analogy), but that's the appearance and I'm not one of the players. The people in MV were outmaneuvered; they blundered when they loudly proclaimed how pro-immigrant they are and then act appalled that they should have to deal with the outcome of their rhetoric. An outcome which should have been foreseen as a rational response to their declarations.
https://twitter.com/theh2/status/1570499501756121089
Just watch.
Now, close your eyes and imagine the response from ENB is this is a republican mayor in Texas.
Fine. They are both scummy things to do.
But only after you ignored it for 2 years.
Welcome to The United States, would you like a free ticket to New York/Chicago/Massachusetts?
How is this scummy?
I see it as one political party using people to score cheap political points against the other political party, who also used the same people to score cheap political points in the first place. It's just kind of shallow and decrepit all around.
Sure, but one party convinces people to turn their children over to cartels to smuggle them across Mexico, including many young women who they turn into whores, so they can call the other party racists, create a permanent underclass dependent on government, and hopefully get more voters in the future, the other party gave a tiny percentage of those people tickets on buses and planes to other places in this country to point out hypocrisy.
One party here pretends to be the standard bearer of all things kind and just and wonderful, and they claim the right to uncontested control of every institution and sphere of influence in our society because of this supposed moral superiority. This would be wrong even if they were as lofty as they claim to be, but they're liars and their moral preening is a sham. If stunts like these are what it takes to get these vile assholes to tell on themselves, then so be it. The immigrants pouring over the border face far more danger in the crossing, as R Mac points out, than in a bus ride they agreed to take.
Why is providing free transportation to cities offering services scummy?
Why weren't you outraged when Biden was doing it the last 2 years?
How many of those homes have a 'no person is illegal' sign in their yard.
Immigrants are a disease. Thank goodness Republicans have the sense to dump them off on Democrat strongholds.
If you were an immigrant, wouldn’t you want to be where the money is and where you were wanted?
I'm not so arrogant as to presume what others want.
They volunteered to get on the bus. Are you saying they don’t know how to make decisions?
While you're putting words in my mouth, why not just continue the dialog by yourself. You don't need me.
He asked a question sarc.
You don't need me.
You are correct.
Well, that was fake as hell.
You said you do not presume to know what others want.
He tells you that they explicitly made their wishes known. That is 100% responsive to precisely what you said. And you dodged because you just got put in a box.
In sarc’s defense, he’s not very bright.
Understatement.
...of the year.
Sarc's offense is that he is a gaslighting cunt.
As he puts words in the mouth of others implying they think immigrants are a disease.
DeSantis asked for volunteers.
Now are you satisfied?
Did he lie about what they were volunteering for? I don't know and am not pearl clutching; all that crap about placement is bs in my libertarian worldview - all are welcome but they must stand on their own two feet. But if I volunteered for a beer and breasts tasting, then by golly, there better be beer and breasts when I arrive.
Have you considered at all that you are repeating a talking point that was made up by someone on Twitter?
Have you considered asking a question on the veracity of the claim isnt the same as repeating it verbatim.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/texas-gov-abbott-says-migrants-given-consent-waiver-not-being-forced-buses-nyc-mayor-adams-alleged
He has signed consent waivers.
Gracias
His first post states what he thinks Republicans want and think as he says this.
Poor sarc. Lovong in ignorance has him convinced there are no costs. Is it because he lives in a 95% white state that doesn't have to deal with the costs?
Living*
Loving (ignorance)?
Fair. Either correction works.
It's great that those migrants are being sent from those nasty racist Red States to progressive Sanctuary Cities where they're welcomed with open arms.
Cities that promised them shelter, aid, legal aid, and work in their public statements.
Maybe sarc thinks they should stay in underpass and tents at the border.
ENB clearly does. Much better than going to a self-declared sanctuary city.
No no, she thinks they should move about the country as they wish. The fact that they don’t have the means to do so isn’t her concern though.
The destruction of that argument is that they can certainly use Chicago or New York or DC as a jumping off point to find a "final destination". In fact, all of those are much better suited to the task than some hick town in rural Arizona.
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/15/987618530/why-the-u-s-government-is-dropping-off-migrants-in-rural-arizona-towns
Here is NPR last year explaining the government dropping off thousands of immigrants in small towns. See... it is a good thing.
This is how you know they are lying.
Dumping them in small towns with no infrastructure was good last year, and it is abusive and bad to send them to wealthy large cities this year.
I call you out, editor in chief. You are not just wrong on this. You are a liar. You pose for partisan reasons only
Much most useful under a bridge for tear-jerk stories, so...
Set to the music of Red Hot Chili Peppers
That was what DeSantis said in his press conference.
Florida is not a sanctuary state, he wanted to send them somewhere that was because those places should be more welcoming and better equipped to deal with them.
If all these mean Republicans are so shitty towards immigrants, why does Reason want the immigrants to live under them? A subsidized ticket to a progressive utopia seems like a very charitable thing to do.
We need a Democrat to pounce now and tell us that places like New York and Chicago are actually shit holes and not safe for people.
I bet if you told these folks they'd end up in Chicago they'd stay in Honduras and El Salvador where it's safe.
That was what DeSantis said in his press conference.
Did he also say We're All In This Together? That would have been icing on the cake.
I didn't watch the whole thing, but when he said "Florida isn't a sanctuary state" he got quite the round of applause. He didn't even have to prompt his audience to clap for him.
Liberal posturing, specifically declarations of sanctuary cities and demands for open borders, is a disease. Actual "immigrants" showing up in large numbers is the cure.
The immigrants are being sent to the places where they supposedly the most wanted. Everybody should be happy. Right?
Immigrants are a blessing. They work harder than Americans and are like breakfast tacos or some other profound piece of wisdom for Dockter Jill. Martha's Vineyard is lucky.
Don't forget: "they commit less crimes than native Americans."
I'm an immigrant. Illegal migrants aren't immigrants.
Democrats hate immigrants.
But love unaccompanied minors.
But love unaccompanied minors.
Only in the disturbing, icky sense.
We're sending migrants to her backyard to call on the Biden Administration...
The admin only wants them once they can rely on their vote.
And those damned brown people will NOT stay on the electoral reservation.
Wonder when inner-city Blacks will realize that they should leave the plantation.
Don't you even Project 1619? Any ability to think for themselves was beat out of all them slaves.
Inner city blacks are having the time of their lives. You should get out more.
I think some of them are coming around to the reality that liberals pandering to the dumbest among them (see the cardi b article from yesterday) is doing them no favors, and in fact highlights the low expectations of said liberals.
Or maybe cardi b is just a “mother fucking” genius who should be consulted about housing and all other issues and challenges.
"DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment"
Sure.
But don't forget — part of the motivation for Koch / Reason libertarian support of open borders is our desire to import enough obedient Democratic voters to turn every state into California. Sending Brown bodies to places like Martha's Vineyard is redundant; I'd rather see them stay in Texas so we can #TurnTexasBlue.
#LibertariansForSinglePartyGovernment
#OpenBordersWillFixEverything
But where are the greatest needs for cheap labor?
This is key, one would think the marxists would be thrilled. Americans are, in general, not known for taking lower paying manual labor or menial jobs. These are the proletariat, bused or flown in. In the case of Martha's Vineyard, there are already quite a few 'undocumented' workers there, I suspect if the news had not made it an issue, housing would have been found quickly.
But where are the greatest needs for cheap labor?
Mexico, Honduras, Nicaragua, San Salvador, Guatamala, Venezuela and China.
What gray floors tell us about American homeownership.
Were no longer divided by black and white?
#LibertarianswhoenjoyreadingTheAtlantic
That ENB bothers to read The Atlantic says a lot about her.
The Atlantic is where dumb people go to pretend they are smart.
People want to know the owner has made recent investments in the property.
Film at 11
...they had been promised short-term support, work permits, and English lessons. But services in Martha's Vineyard didn't even know they were arriving.
Promised by Texas and Florida or by Martha's Vineyard's big talk.
Come on! Abstract thinking and virtue signaling about immigrants is cultured. Actual immigrants in your neighborhood is crass.
Virtue signaling should be cost free.
Poor huddled masses are all well and good as long as they stay poor and huddled somewhere else.
What gray floors tell us about American homeownership.
People who live in big cities are fucked in the head,
I blame Joana Gains and her magnolia network
"This week's unexpected rise in US inflation is an opportunity to revisit an old debate," writes Tyler Cowen.
Nope. Reason's leading economics expert has maintained for pretty much Biden's entire Presidency that inflation literally isn't happening. Just a wingnut.com myth.
#BestEconomyEver
Just switch to a cheaper brand of spittin tobaccy.
And check that rig count.
Besides, if inflation ever did happen, it would be good for us.
#HAPERINFLATION
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macleod-inflation-turning-hyper
“Heatwole said. "If one puts like-skilled students together, instructors can teach at a level that is not too advanced or trivial for the students and optimize the overall learning of all students collectively regardless of the group."”
We needed a fucking study to tell us this? Most likely paid for by taxpayers.
Decades ago, we had "regular" and "AP" classes in high school, maybe even a "B" class. I didn't realize how revolutionary it is to be obvious!
That sounds racist.
I was gonna say...
Sounds very privileged to me. We need more underachievers and slackers in the advanced classes.
It's racist to keep a student with a 2nd grade reading level out of an AP US History class. And everything has to be explained to them properly, in words they can understand, so they can have the opportunity to succeed.
More importantly, the factual content and social interpretation have to be adjusted to meet the equity needs and match the lived experiences of the most oppressed students.
they tried that at my nephews school the smart kids were placed with the "not so smart" under the idea the smart ones would uplift the "not smart". what happened is the smart kids did the work and "not smart" ones lived off the others work, just like welfare.. the good part is the smart kids learned that welfare sucked since it uplifted no one. BTW I put "not smart" in italics since in reality they were just lazy.
what happened is the smart kids did the work and "not smart" ones lived off the others work
With the result that the overall metrics improved, meaning the program was a success.
Instead, they're sending busloads of migrants to these places unannounced, and dropping them off without warning...
Sounds familiar.
Have they demanded a wall yet?
Yeah, but this time it's not Fortifying Democracy so it's bad.
Abbot and DeSantis needs to send them by food trucks. They'll be welcomed as liberators.
Facebook has been spying on the private messages and data of American users and reporting them to the FBI if they express anti-government or anti-authority sentiments — or question the 2020 election — according to sources within the Department of Justice.
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Under the FBI collaboration operation, somebody at Facebook red-flagged these supposedly subversive private messages over the past 19 months and transmitted them in redacted form to the domestic terrorism operational unit at FBI headquarters in Washington, DC, without a subpoena.
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“It was done outside the legal process and without probable cause,” alleged one of the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
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“Facebook provides the FBI with private conversations which are protected by the First Amendment without any subpoena.”
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The Facebook users whose private communications Facebook had red-flagged as domestic terrorism for the FBI were all “conservative right-wing individuals.”
https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/facebook-spied-on-private-messages-of-americans-who-questioned-2020-election/
.. all “conservative right-wing individuals.”
Well then, nothing to see here.
Definitely effects the odds of Reason reporting on it.
Antifa doesn't exist. It is just an idea.
They were asking for it.
Well, kind of.
Get the fuck off facebook.
Social credit score system is already in place, we're just waiting for the enforcement to kick in.
Your bank is a private company, so totes OK.
Fascism in America as liberaltarians scream "muh private business."
Muh Pryvit Cumpaneeez
Totally unrelated, Biden wants to end 230 because of "hate-fueled violence."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-asks-congress-end-social-media-immunity-wh-summit-due-hate-fueled-violence
"Ha Ha" - Nelson Muntz
If this were just a matter of resources being spread too thin in border states, facilities being full, or jobs being more abundant elsewhere, leaders in Florida, Texas, and Arizona (which has also been busing migrants to other states) would coordinate with states where they were sending people—or at least give them some advance warning.
Because border states are given so much warning for the tens of thousands that cross each week.
The 70 plus flights biden moved migrants around over the summer.
They have systems in place—and ample federal assistance—in addressing their arrival.
This is a lie. The city of Ajo in Arizona has been decimated with all their support materials depleted multiple times the last 2 years.
Why no mention of multiple democrat politicians like Newsome sending letters to Garland to arrest Abbot and DeSantis?
It’s pretty clear Reason supports political prosecutions of Republicans.
This should be right in our wheelhouse. It does not get more Nazi-like than our current DOJ. And a potential DNC presidential candidate calling for the arrest of his most probable rival?
Remember when asking about the actual corruption of a not-candidat who was not even the favorite for the nomination was a serious threat to the nation?
Yeah, but it's different when our side does it. /ENB
Sarc was just saying last night political prosecutions are fine as long as cops aren't shooting them up.
Well, they are ideological rivals.
The only way to make the libertarian utopia happen is to send people who disagree with Libertarians to reeducation camps and treat their mental illnesses! It's a tried-and-true method according to Reason-style libertarians!
Haven't those border states been trying to coordinate and getting the cold shoulder for years or decades?
The last study I read said only about 40% of the costs are borne with federal funding. Arizona has sued multiple times over costs.
and in return got treated like inanimate objects in bids to score points against political opponents.
So they got treated like citizens
If there's a mass shooting at a border crossing, Joe will be happy to fly the survivors to DC to use as a backdrop for grandstanding.
And then send them back to Texas.
On foot.
It's always interesting when right-wing commenters here use hypotheticals in "both sides" arguments, speaking of the hypotheticals as if they had actually happened.
Isn't that Jeff's specialty?
And Mike's.
Talk about hypocrisy.
Bears in trunks.
Sounds like a Jellystone calendar shoot.
"Republican politicians are moving migrant asylum seekers around the U.S. with little thought to their needs or well-being, instead using them like pawns in a disgraceful game of political one-upmanship."
Somebody does not want to see uncultured brown people outside Starbucks or in the Metro.
Shouldn’t Reason be supporting states like Texas and Florida shipping “migrants” to Democrat strongholds?
After all, what could possibly be more important than unrestricted access to abortion services?
Maybe. How many are interested in sex work?
A Fiona Harrigan article is needed to bring some sense to this immigration conundrum.
News at 11, ENB misses the point yet again! Shipping the migrants to these places isn't punishment, it's letting Team Blue live up to their words. Of course, team Blue never will. It's easier to sit back in your "sanctuary city" and let those actually on the border do the actual dirty work.
ENB misses the point yet again
She's not missing the point, she is team blue and she's just defending her team.
Depends which point. Because one of the points is to expose blatant hypocrites, and she fell right into that trap.
If blue states are as superior as 'they' endlessly tell everyone, then ENB really is missing the point. The 'migrants' have been sent to a place w/ a higher quality of life.
Speaking of which, the good citizens of Martha's Vineyard have sent the migrants packing:
https://notthebee.com/article/marthas-vineyard-has-already-begun-the-deportation-process-according-to-cbs-reporter-but-don
What’s the point of sanctuary cities then?
Virtue signalling.
Beating Trump in 2020.
I know the idea is supposed to be that border states don't know when migrants will arrive, or in what numbers, so this is giving Democratic-controlled locales a taste of that. But border states are nonetheless prepared for migrant arrivals more generally.
If we want to advocate for accepting asylum seekers, we should probably get prepared. It's easy for liberals to make themselves feel good through forcing the sacrifice on others.
It's good to be elite.
They may be prepared more generally, but more generally is a far cry from the millions that have poured in on Joey Pantshitter's watch.
Yeah, these cities have said, for years, they WANT these illegals.
Are they now saying they lied the whole time?
And it's good to know that it's the border area's fault for not handling the huge numbers well. I'll let the folks in my town know when I get home.
'An interesting education study considers whether it's better to group students based on ability (e.g., all gifted students in one class) or to employ "a cross-sectional grouping strategy where equal groups are formed, composed of individuals of varied aptitudes." '
Neither! The only equitable way to group students is by curated race, gender, and class, and then tell the white males to shut the fuck up.
The best and only rational solution is a blend of skin colors in the classroom.
So what if the smarter kids are bored to death waiting for the slower ones to catch up?
Make the whitest kids sit in the back row, the darkest kids in the front row, and everyone else sits in a row based on that spectrum.
Bonus: going for the rainbow effect also signals support for LGBTQP+.
Boys on the left, girls on the right, and a gradient in between. We might need to add layers of desks vertically to gradient orientation, though. It's n-dimensional schooling!
The center seat becomes class president.
Crudely random but pragmatic
"An interesting education study". I suppose it's interesting if you're a moron or an academic (but I repeat myself). For the rest of us, it's just common sense. Ever notice that you don't have church-league softball players, college players, minor leaguers, and major leaguers all on the New York Yankees starting team? They group the players by ability so everybody's on the same page. When I was in school, they had A, B, and C groupings for college prep, general diploma, and probable dropouts. This was in the bad old days before they decided the smart kids should teach the not-so-smart kids and that retards deserved a "mainstream" education. Only an over-educated idiot could come up with an idea that dumb.
"Ever notice that you don't have church-league softball players, college players, minor leaguers, and major leaguers all on the New York Yankees starting team?"
Not yet.
Yeah, dividing between the advanced placement kids, the average kids, and the--I think my school used the descriptor "remedial" back in the '90s--is just common fucking sense and was done for decades.
Pssst. They actually have separate schools for extra-smart kids.
Those over-educated idiots probably went to schools for bright nerds, and now that they are older, they regret missing out on all the fun.
Take a couple of weeks interviewing the students so they can be placed on the proper rungs of the intersectionality ladder, and then give the best grades to the ones highest on the ladder. No need for classes, since the most intersectional must be given the greatest advantage as reparations for their superior downtroddenness.
No need for classes? They’re not going to indoctrinate themselves ya know!
California Gov. Gavin Newsom is taking out billboard ads in states with restrictive abortion laws, telling them how to get an abortion in California.
What? No billboards welcoming immigrants?
Newsom and the Democrats that control California aren’t interested in debating their policies.
Literally:
https://kcra.com/article/california-leaders-no-debate-plans-election-2022/41220787
Seems to be a pattern with Democrats right now. Look at the Arizona governor's race and the Pennsylvania senate race as well.
Not enough Terms Of Service on a live stage.
Be like Biden!
Newsome isn't taking out shit. The CA taxpayer is, but they live in CA so I guess they deserve it.
If we just let people who arrive freely connect with employers, communities, and charities instead of jumping through a million legal hoops, many more of them would simply get themselves where they need to go—and go on to contribute to the beautiful pluralism and diversity that makes America great.
Agreed. One hundred percent. But that's not on border states and maybe a little shared pain will get us there faster.
Right now asylum seekers are asking this country for help. Few things in life come free. The price today is suffering progressive ineptitude for a few days more.
Any reason why they cannot do that from New York?
This is how you know it was never an honest argument.
What on earth does New York have to do with progressive ineptitude?
Are you suggesting that border states are not getting compensated? Last I looked states like Texas and Arizona get more money back from the Federal Government than they pay in as taxes. Who is paying for the border crossing and the border patrol in Texas?
Yes, the problem is concentrated in their states, but they are on the border. If your state has coastal boundaries with the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean, you probably have more hurricane problems. We can't level the playing field on that problem any more than the immigrant problem.
If the immigrant problem bothers people they can move to Kanas, Illinois, Indiana or Missouri, to name a few states with no national border.
They are not properly compensated. Why they keep suing.
Instead of assuming you could try researching.
They need to send a couple of busses up to Madison. You'll love the compensation.
I bet Arizona would trade their illegal alien problem for a couple hurricanes no problem.
Plus, one issue can be controlled by enforcing the law, the other not so much.
Idiot.
I see that none of you have the humanity to think that lying to a group of people and then transporting them to somewhere else just to dump them is actually morally wrong. So no surprise there.
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Who said anything about lies?
What makes you think the lying pile of lefty shit SRG cares about honesty?
They aren't people if they don't have papers.
How many has Maine brought in?
Does this include the government-mandated good behavior card from Pfizer and Moderna?
They are people. They also broke the law. Burglars, rapists, and murderers are people too.
"They aren't people if they don't have papers."
If they were hummingbirds or ground squirrels nobody would give a shit. It's because they are people doing something illegal that it becomes a problem.
You really are quite stupid, sarcasmic.
Nice appeal to emotion shrike. Is it morally wrong to bankrupt small border cities because you dont want to share the cost?
By the way. Anyone else not surprised shrike is repeating the same anti Christian narrative that filled all of Twitter last night? That it was unchristian or unethical. Meanwhile none of the ones citing ot said their communities could support and help bare the costs?
I sincerely doubt Shrike can think for itself (himself?).
Leftists have finally found their way back to the flock and suddenly became devout Christians?
Only for political attacks.
Shrike is too busy wanking to kiddie porn to formulate arguments himself.
If the Christians are bad people for not helping, what does that make the people that aren't helping and are screaming at the top of their lungs that they refuse to help?
I guess they just gave up any pretense at a moral argument.
Lol. Like M4e says, if you border state racists don’t like the illegal swarm you can always move to Kansas. It’s the compassionate thing to do.
So what Democrats have been doing for the last several decades is morally wrong?
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/biden-encourages-massive-illegal-immigration-and-tries-hide-it-secret
I agree. We should just deport them on the spot.
Sending them to one of the richest areas in the world where they have an open invitation by the citizens is morally wrong? I wish I could get a fee flight to the Vineyard.
Just cross a border.
But don’t cross state lines!
The problem is if you cross over into a bordertown in Mexico all the government does is leave you in that bordertown in Mexico.
Who has lied to them?
The narrative says they have so they have. Stop asking questions.
"Lying" by telling them what the sanctuary cities said they would do? OK.
How about the thousands of late night flights Biden has done?
This is not a winning issue for you. All it does is show that the "Sanctuary cities" were hypocritical liars. Fuck the lot of them.
LOL.
Oh wait, you were serious.
LOL
Tell that to Mayorkas and Biden.
Texas and Florida told them (truthfully) that they weren't welcome in those states and that those states aren't sanctuary states.
They told them (truthfully) that they were going to go for free by air-conditioned bus or plane to sanctuary states where they are welcome.
Texas and Florida told the truth.
And the illegals are happy, judging by the interviews: they liked the trip and they liked their destinations.
You know who lied? Kamala Harris, who falsely claimed that the border is secure.
A Montana judge blocks restrictions on changing genders on birth certificates? Meh. I am waiting for a California judge to block restrictions for people who wish to claim other species, like Elf or Klingon.
This is a silly notion. You cannot even change your name on your birth certificate. Not your eye or hair color. None of it.
But now we are saying that the law, as it exists, actually prohibits *stopping* people from changing the sex? Really?
There is zero chance that this is a well reasoned and supported ruling.
I want to change the year of my birth. Not sure to what yet. Might want to change it annually.
Speaking of these issues, here is an effective editorial on some issues raised by Biden's nee Title IX guidance.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ncaa-champion-female-swimmer-we-protect-girls-women-biden-destruction-title-ix
One key point: they now say sex discrimination is not allowed, but gender discrimination is. So bathrooms can discriminate on gender, not sex.
It is worth the 3 minutes to read. She talks about how this personally impacts her.
So Biden gave them what they want. Transgender bathroom access mandated at a federal level.
But wait....
They made gender discrimination legal.
So... I discriminate against all who identify as women, that is fine? Oops.
Ok, so that doesn't work because some judge will ignore the obvious conclusion and say it is really sex discrimination in drag. Fine.
So I ban all genderqueer folk. Oops.
Can't squish that one onto a sex discrimination case.
The fact that Reason isn't spending pages and pages ripping this abomination apart is appalling.
Appalling...but utterly unsurprising, no?
If it is a libertarian magazine, yes.
If it is a DNC propaganda outlet, not so much.
Hey Peanuts can you believe how amazing this Biden economy is? You might recall when Obama was in office I used Warren Buffett's net worth to prove how great things were. But now I have an even more reliable metric: Gautam Adani's net worth. Sure, he lives in India. But he's up $72.4 billion this year which proves the global economy is in terrific shape.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment
And when Sanctuary City mayors treat migrants as a punishment?
Republican leaders explain that they're making a point about immigration policy and how America needs to secure its borders…as if it's morally acceptable to simply use people at their most vulnerable to make such a point. Abbott, DeSantis, and those cheering them seem to forget these are people, not chess pieces. People who came to America seeking opportunity, protection, and rights—and in return got treated like inanimate objects in bids to score points against political opponents.
Fuck right off
Biden secretly flying underage migrants into NY in dead of night
https://nypost.com/2021/10/18/biden-secretly-flying-underage-migrants-into-ny-in-dead-of-night/
And they're pissed about DeSantis and Abbott doing this in the daylight?
Also, noted, they're breaking laws to do this that neither Abbott nor DeSantis are breaking:
"On Friday night, one bus left the Westchester airport and barreled down the Hutchinson River Parkway — which is off-limits to commercial vehicles — at speeds greater than 75 mph before crossing the Throgs Neck Bridge."
For the record, the speed limit in NYC is 50 mph, and the buses are supposed to be banned from all parkways.
"Parkways are racist" - Peter Buttigeig
Dude, this is a type example of how cultured, establishment elites defy the law, by using agents of the state working behind the scenes (including a compliant media).
Just like how those same elites attempt to overturn elections. Challenge to 2016 results? Sophisticated. Challenge to 2020 results? So boorish.
None of the floors in my house are grey. They’re all either black or blood red.
It’s the latest trend.
Do you have any Marines?
I've been looking for a good, willing marine. Any idea where I can get one?
Do you make a lot of speeches?
You know who else made a lot of colorful speeches?
We showed that, mathematically speaking, grouping individuals with similar skill levels maximizes the total learning of all individuals collectively...
Merit? In schools? That's not going to feel good.
Thanks god! Finally a study to show what's always been blatantly obvious .
Reason (ok, Volokh) finally mentions FB spying on people at the behest of the FBI. What do they say? "This is what is probably happening and I think that because that would be perfectly legal so shut up".
Is Silicon Valley Spying on Conservatives for the FBI?
Some of the law around a New York Post Story
https://reason.com/volokh/2022/09/15/is-silicon-valley-spying-on-conservatives-for-the-fbi/?comments=true#comments
Baker has always been a statist ass.
Does Volokh actually count as Reason?
The Reasonistas continually ignore them, even on big issues like Dobbs.
Eugene posts a comprehensive essay on it and ENB and Sullum instead use Twitter and Vox as their gotos.
it is hosted by reason. Not part of.
They are rather explicitly not libertarian, even though in practice they sometimes end up being more libertarian. They describe themselves as independent and often libertarian.
"California Gov. Gavin Newsom is taking out billboard ads in states with restrictive abortion laws, telling them how to get an abortion in California."
How about billboards in California, telling people about how to own a gas-powered car and eat bacon in other states?
Doesn't this violate California's "don't spend money in red states" law?
Not when you're helping women get "healthcare".
Departments with a long history of large civil rights settlements have seen their insurance rates shoot up by 200 to 400 percent over the past three years...
And when they can no longer fine their way to paying for it, it might become an issue for them.
"What gray floors tell us about American homeownership."
That commoners can't be trusted to make their own decisions about decor (and voting)?
How is what abbot and DeSantis doing different from what the Biden administration did with their midnight flights?
Abbott and DeSantis are sending them during the light of day.
(R)
https://www.npr.org/2021/04/15/987618530/why-the-u-s-government-is-dropping-off-migrants-in-rural-arizona-towns
Not just the midnight flights either.
And it started in 2014, under Obama, apparently resuming under Biden.
"Indeed, there is a process in Tucson, that began in 2014 under similar circumstances when the U.S. government began dropping off would-be asylum seekers and others in local parks. Churches and humanitarians ended up setting up a shelter called the Casa Alitas Welcome Center, where migrants could stay temporarily while they arranged for travel to reach family sponsors in other states while they awaited court dates. "
“…. while they awaited court dates.”
Lol.
A Montana judge has blocked health officials from enforcing a state rule that would prevent transgender people from changing the gender on their birth certificate.
These fucking headline 24writers. "A judge has blocked a ban on curbing the stoppage of denying the moratoriums on inaction."
No space in the J-school curriculum for writing workshops.
Journalism should never have become a degree. It's ultimately a trade in all places except obscure corners of Theory where some possible academics could lie.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom is taking out billboard ads in states with restrictive abortion laws, telling them how to get an abortion in California.
Come to sunny California for the street feces and baby parts extraction.
You misspelled clum of cells
So did you.
zing!
California will happily kill your child or mutilate it, the latter 8f you think it is a good idea or not.
If the last half of your sentence is referring to gender reassignment surgery, nobody under 18 can get such surgery.
2nd time you have pushed this lie.
As usual, you're a deliberate fucking liar.
WA laws now allow teen gender reassignment surgery without parental consent
And,
U.S. Doctors Are Performing Gender Affirming Double Mastectomies On Healthy 13-Year-Old Girls
New California Law Allows Children to Get Transgender Treatments Without Parental Consent
Sex-change treatment for kids on the rise
When Transgender Kids Transition, Medical Risks are Both Known and Unknown
ahahah jesus christ the regime propaganda is strong with this one.
This week's unexpected rise in US inflation is an opportunity to revisit an old debate...
Lol, public policy isn't about fixing the problem. It's about paying the right people off.
Republican leaders explain that they're making a point about immigration policy and how America needs to secure its borders
Fat-Ass Donnie promised to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it.
He failed in every way possible.
Biden is President with nominal control of Congress. It is his failures that are important now. He holds the authority now.
Dude, for some people everything wrong, real or imagined, is Trump's fault, and will be until they die.
Kill yourself you pedofile
Now you want a wall?
You made a brilliant point recently when you said Biden's mediocre-to-poor approval rating can't possibly be because he's a mediocre-to-poor President — it's because the MSM is sooooooooo unfair to him. I just found more proof of this unfortunate phenomenon.
CNBC: 'It's belt-tightening time' — 5 ways to save as food prices rise at the fastest pace since 1979
Why would a formerly respected source like CNBC print wingnut.com lies? Do you think Putin is blackmailing them with a PEE TAPE?
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
Today show has been running similar Soviet style "homemaker helper" pieces for several months, with smiling presenters talking about how to use substitutes for meat (you don't really need it anyway!) Or how to use less and still feed the family ... Rice makes great filler to stretch a meal! (Smile)
Always delivered with a super-cherry demeanor and super positive outlook. "We are all in this together! We are doing great! Here is how you can get by on one car for the family!"
Eat shit, pedo.
Fat-Ass Donnie promised to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it.
He was building a wall. And lest you forget, the whole time he was building the wall there was another policy in place. Stay in Mexico. Wonder who was paying the cost of the potential asylum seekers during that time they couldn't get across the border. Was it .... Mexico?
Fat ass SPB2 is lying again.
As the Stoics teach, something is only a hardship if you perceive it to be.
Like increasing the chocolate ration?
Massive increase, from one gram to five hundred milligrams.
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KJP blames ‘Texas Governor Ted Cruz’ for lax border security
Reason used to be apoplectic over lies that were often simple opinions coming from the white house. This chick spends all day doing little more than pants on fire lying.
I guess that was never a principled position to start with.
Use the force, Harry!
-- Gandalf
Don't forget that we have to grade Karine on a racial-gender curve.
She's an inspiration!
Yes, but an F- is still an F- no matter what.
Racist!
She’s such a cute little chia-cherub.
"DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment"
Correction: ENB Is Wrong To Treat DeSantis and Abbot as Punishers
During the past six years, left wing Democrat Mayors and Governors boasted about their compassion by inviting illegal aliens to escape federal law enforcement by moving to and living in their so-called Sanctuary Cities and States.
In a politically masterful response to Biden's outrageously irresponsible open invitation to everyone on earth to illegally cross US borders and live here, as well as the Democrat's Sanctuary Cities and States, Republican Governors DeSantis and Abbot (and even El Paso's Democrat Mayor are now transporting Biden's illegal aliens to those same Sanctuary Cities and States that had proudly put out welcome mats and offered them social services.
But now those same left wing Democrats (and ENB) who touted their sanctuaries for illegal aliens are insulting and attacking the GOP Governors for making the Democrats look the lying disingenuous NIMBY hypocrites they are.
I urge DeSantis and Abbot (and other GOP Governors) to send ALL of the illegal aliens they capture to ALL of the Sanctuary Cities and States run by Democrats within two days of their capture, which will reduce the massive costs imposed by Biden on their border states, while fulfilling the Democrat Mayors and Governors longstanding invitations for illegal aliens.
I think it would be even better if the buses were sent to the homes of many Democrat Mayors, Governors, Senators and House members, as well as to city halls and state capitols where laws and executive orders established them as Sanctuaries.
A busload of illegal immigrants sent to ENB's home might make her rethink her support for open borders.
To add... even if you are for unrestricted immigration, *illegal* immigration should still be a bad thing. There are zero libertarian good things in encouraging mass illegal immigration.
She says "they will connect with employers".
It is *illegal* to hire undocumented immigrants. At all. Anywhere in the US.
Catch-22.
Not a catch-22. But a complete reveal that the entire objective is to create an underclass that can be exploited.
There have been many opportunities to change immigration law. There have been many opportunities many opportunities to massively increase quotas. I am pretty sure Biden has the ability to do that part unilaterally. Yet, they have not.
Instead, they encourage more and more illegal immigration. It has been longer than many of the readers here have been alive since the last amnesty. You can no longer pretend. There is only one explanation, and that is that the system is intentional, and the class of illegal immigrants is intentional.
Yeah. I dislike the usage of the term "open-borders" for a similar reason because it's somewhat underdefined.
I'm for pretty much unrestricted border-crossing and workers (immigration in terms of becoming full citizens I'm more open to having the conversation about, but I actually think a lot of that would become less common if people could cross to work more easily) but definitely for at least having a process in place for it.
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Virtuous and generous sanctuary city Martha's Vinyard suddenly won't. Claims poverty.
"We're in a housing crisis as we are on this island"
How Cruel and Heartless! Treating Migrants as a punishment like that.
Um, sounds like white privilege.
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Two days ago, the NYT posted an investigation into politicians trading stocks. They found that 81 Democrats & 101 Republicans filed up to 3,700 trades and $100M in possible volume.
Many had 100% winners, with some perfectly timed.
Here’s examples of just how good they were:
First, of those 182 politicians, 90+ sat on committees that directly oversaw the companies they traded. 49 were Democrats, 44 were Republicans. Which totals 18% of Congress.
25% of the Energy & Natural Resources Committee traded $XOM or $CVX
33% of the Environment Committee traded oil-field services
8 members of the Armed Services Committee traded defense/aerospace stocks.
Although Pelosi was not included in the report, let’s start with her (2020 - 2022):
Total trades: 35+
Dollar Volume: up to $65,600,000
Possible conflicting trades include:
$TSLA & the $1.2T Infrastructure Bill
$MSFT & the $10B Army Contract
$NVDA & the $50B Chips Act
Alan Lowenthal (D) CA sits on the Transportation Committee. His wife made some well-timed trades on Boeing, $BA. On Mar 5 2020 she sold ~30K of $BA shares.
One day later his committee releases damaging findings on the 737 Jet. $BA went onto fall 35%+ in a week.
(Again) Alan Lowenthal (D) CA sits on the Natural Resources Committee. His wife perfectly played two rallies on Sunrun $RUN:
Nov 2019, bought ~$30K @ $14.50
Feb 2020, sold ~45K @ $21
Mar 2020, bought back in @ $9
& sold 78 times as the stock ran to $80
Thats a cool 780% return
John Rose (R) TN sits on the Financial Services Committee. He sold shares of Wells Fargo, $WFC, a few months before his committee issued a critical report on the bank.
11/12/19 - Sold ~250K of $WFC @ $54.22
3/1/20 - Report’s published
$WFC tanked 30% a week later to $37
Mike Kelly (R) PA. His wife bought ~$50K of $CLF just one day after being briefed that the Commerce Dept. launched an investigation to benefit the company. She bought at $4.70 and sold at $18.11, a 300% gain.
Interestingly, this was the only individual trade she made that year
Richard Burr (R) NC sits as the Head Intelligence Committee. On 2/13/20 him & family liquidated their entire portfolio and went into treasury bonds. One month later the $SPY had its fastest 30% decline in history.
This saved him $300K+ in possible losses
And there's many more examples beyond just this.
Bob Gibbs (R) traded $ABBV while his committee investigated them.
Roy Blunt (R) traded $PM while serving on a subcommittee overseeing Public Safety.
Judy Chu (D) traded $AMEH while serving on a subcommittee overseeing Medicare.
The wildest part about all of this though is that thousands of every day employees aren't allowed to trade individual stocks. Consultants can’t do it. Bankers can’t do it. Even many reporters can’t do it.
Yet the most influential people in the country, our politicians, can.
Source of the NYT report: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/13/us/politics/congress-stock-trading-investigation.html
Imagine what we would learn if investigative journalism had not died years ago.
But they all campaign on stock trading in congress legislation. Somehow it never makes it to vote.
But what about immigrants and abortion!
I'm shocked.
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Department of Defense Diversity chief quietly vanishes off social media when comments mocking ‘white folx’ surface
You have some caudacity for posting this.
Local Story. also, remember, this stuff is only discussed academically in the grad level courses Jeff takes
She probably fell for that hoax about the Smithsonian making fun of white culture.
Why do these people spell words like "folks" with an "x"? That makes no goddamned sense.
I'd say they're probably jealous of us Gen Xers but... whatever.
Dude, don't you ebonics?
An interesting question to aks.
Enough of this black humor!
To signal that they should under no circumstances ever be taken seriously.
"If Abbott's assertions don't make it clear enough that this is merely a political stunt, one need only look at the way these operations are going down."
And Biden doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to secure our border isn't a "political stunt"? If Biden were securing our border and following the LAW, there would be no migrants for DeSantis and Abbott to "use as political stunts". Are your arms not exhausted from carrying the water for this inept octogenarian clown-show we call POTUS?
Hey, he put the Vice President on it. And she has done ... oh, never mind.
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Muh private company
Facebook Worked With FBI to Spy on Americans Who Questioned 2020 Election
"Facebook has been spying on the private messages and data of American users and reporting them to the FBI if they express anti-government or anti-authority sentiments — or question the 2020 election — according to sources within the Department of Justice.
Under the FBI collaboration operation... Facebook red-flagged these supposedly subversive private messages over the past 19 months and transmitted them in redacted form to the domestic terrorism operational unit at FBI headquarters in Washington, DC, without a subpoena.
These private messages then have been farmed out as “leads” to FBI field offices around the country, which subsequently requested subpoenas from the partner US Attorney’s Office in their district to officially obtain the private conversations that Facebook already had shown them.
Facebook denied the allegations yesterday.
In two contrasting statements sent one hour apart, Erica Sackin, a spokesperson at Facebook’s parent company, Meta, claimed Facebook’s interactions with the FBI were designed to “protect people from harm.”
In a statement Wednesday, the FBI neither confirmed nor denied allegations put to it about its joint operation with Facebook, which is designated as “unclassified/law enforcement sensitive.”
Responding to questions about the misuse of data only of American users, the statement curiously focused on “foreign malign influence actors” but did acknowledge that the nature of the FBI’s relationship with social media providers enables a “quick exchange” of information, and is an “ongoing dialogue.”
Reason needs to put you on the payroll. You're the only one here reporting the news.
White Mike will tell you reason doesn’t do journalism.
Him and overt
Punishment?! Now I'm truly confused. Reason has been assuring me for years that immigrants, whether here illegally or not, were a source of cultural enrichment and economic opportunity! Why shouldn't DeSantis or Abbott share this wonderful opportunity with their blue state brethren?! Y'all should be celebrating this opportunity for greater diversity and cultural enrichment!
^BINGO!!!!!
+100000000000
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Kagan may have an issue with judicial activism like the example ENB mentions above.
Justice Kagan Enters the Debate on the National Injunction
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Sneak peak into the Federal Reserve meeting this week:
That's an insult to McDonald's.
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Chemjeff starts to whistle nonchalantly and walks the other way.
Disney Employees, 12 Others Arrested In Florida Child Sex Sting: Sheriff
Oh, huh, weird timing after Capek's quote:
He said the company wanted to “rise above” the “political subterfuge” which saw “our brand” be “misappropriated or misused to try to fit the needs of any one particular group’s agenda.”
Amazon employee as pertinent.
This is such a typical ENB/prog take. Progs love playing the "THEY'RE HUMAN BEINGS" card, as long as they don't have to actually deal with the human beings or their problems.
Homelessness is not a crime, as long as the homeless set up their encampments somewhere else.
Illegal immigrants are grand, as long as they stay in Texas.
Criminals are just misunderstood victims of circumstance, until they start breaking into their BMWs.
Drug addicts are victims of a crippling disease until they put a safe injection site by their favorite vegan coffee shop.
Affordable housing is a moral imperative as long as they build it in a different neighborhood and those yucky brown kids don't go to their fancy schools and ruin their 5-star ratings.
They love public schools and hate school choice because school choice might bring low-achieving poor kids into their "top tier" high schools, and bring down their stats.
Green energy is awesome because they'll never be the ones who can't afford to heat their homes.
"The Rich" is anyone with more money than them.
Fuck off, ENB. You love illegals so much, go start an NGO on the TX border and take care of them yourself.
Sarc is enjoying the same tactic in the comments.
I think you just described the Elite Handbook.
Cripes, Cronut, you must have been listening to the compassionate Christian progressives in my Men's Fellowship group. Of course, they won't say Republicans or conservatives or libertarians are going to Hell, but they still want you to repent and do what they think Jesus would do.
I am old enough to remember the 1980 Cuban boat lift where Castro sent thousands, mostly criminals and mentally ill, to Florida. This kind of reminds me of that. It did not help Jimmy Carter at the time, even though he was probably going to lose anyway.
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AFP factchecks anti-Clinton memes again
LMAO
Not her turn. No, her, not her.
I'm so glad we have serious journalists doing hard-hitting fact-checks like this to combat misinformation.
Maybe Lizzie cut Hillary into her cocaine trade to counterbalance Kissinger prevailing upon his KGB masters to recruit Trump as a deep cover asset? (Let the “fact checkers” chase that one, see if they can go back far enough to get to the source..)
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Denmark will no longer issue Covid vaccines to those under age 50
"The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19, and people aged under 50 are therefore currently not being offered booster vaccination.
People aged under 50 are generally not at particularly higher risk of becoming severely ill from covid-19."
And those fascists will next outlaw abortion after 12 weeks, right?
The purpose of vaccination is not to prevent infection with covid-19,
Fucking worthless.
Which is why they don't want to pay for it anymore.
The US, Canada and JFree however, believe that theatre is what's important.
A lab-engineered virus built in cooperation between US and China, released and hyped with the help of stupid politicians everywhere, all so they could sell billions worth of a vaccine that wont prevent it.
Amazing.
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'University' and 'hoax' are almost synonymous now.
Northeastern University explosion investigated as a hoax as campus returns to normal
As long as normal means feeding propaganda to gullible students paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for unmarketable degrees, then yes.
"This week's unexpected rise in US inflation is an opportunity to revisit an old debate," writes Tyler Cowen.
Tyler Cowen is the only person in the world that was not expecting this.
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Harvard student body president under fire for defending Christian group
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Police probing topless women who attended Utah football game in body paint.
Probing vigorously, I imagine.
Titillating.
FBI female body inspector
"Breasts."
They aren't treating them as "punishment", they are treating them as people who are breaking the law and are imposing high costs on the taxpayers of their states.
And they are dealing with this issue by giving the migrants free rides to states where politicians say that they are wanted and needed.
The immigrants being shipped did not break the law. They entered the US and applied for asylum.
Y'all remember that almost all of us are from people who were immigrants seeking work and opportunity, some fleeing repressive governments and others just lack of opportunity. DeSantis just took a dump on their memory and legacy, including his own immigrant relatives..
Personally, I am proud of my ancestors who snuck across the border or over-stayed their student visas.
Asshole.
I'm very proud of my ancestors who snuck in in the back of a truck, cried asylum and then never showed up for their hearing.
Whatcha talking about. "DeSantis" is totally a Mayflower family name.
Asylum seekers are not immigrants; in fact, asylum seekers are expected to return to their country of origin when their risk of political persecution ends.
Furthermore, they broke the law unless they fled political persecution, which pretty much none of them did.
I did that.
I also went through the legal immigration process.
People like you hate immigrants. You want to flood the country with illegals for political purposes.
Fuck Joe Friday
Y'all remember that almost all of us are from people who were immigrants seeking work and opportunity, some fleeing repressive governments and others just lack of opportunity.
I missed the part where these immigrants are bringing money with them, risking a nearly lawless frontier and fighting the wilderness. My ancestors experience was more like Grapes of Wrath levels of tragedy.
My god how long is this stupid "we're all immigrants" trope going to be trotted out. Who the fuck cares? We still have the right to close our borders right now, to legal and illegal, if we want to. I do.
It's not a mere trope. It used to be one of the foundational, shared beliefs of our culture.
Not by me.
It used to be one of the foundational, shared beliefs of our culture.
So?
Established Americans have tried to shut the gate behind them for at least 150 years. Americans have railed against the Chinese, the Irish, the Italians, the Jews, the Japanese, the Germans, the Cubans, the Vietnamese, the ex-Soviets, and the Middle Easterners. Why do Central and South Americans deserve better? And the role of the federal government has completely changed since the great migrations from Europe. There was no income tax. Migration didn't cost a dime in taxes or drive up the deficit. Asking others to sacrifice for something just because you believe it adds value is not at all libertarian.
Even if it were a 'shared belief', it is one that is no longer viable. Unlike the 2nd Amendment which so many who shill for immigrants wish to eject from the Constitution as 'outdated and irrelevant'.
Please keep sloganeering, White Mike. It makes all the other bullshit you peddle that much more obvious.
The flood of immigrants from Europe and third world nations has brought with them socialism, neo-Marxism, ethnic violence, hatred of homosexuals, and unsettled political scores, destroying the Anglo-Saxon culture that made this country rich, free, and powerful. So, those "established Americans" were quite justified in wanting to shut the gate.
So did self reliance and individualism. But when every candidate in a primary debate for president of the ruling party raises their hand when asked if illegal immigrants should get free healthcare, that shits all out the window.
Yup. And now there’s 8 billion people on the planet.
Keep living in the past, mike. The rest of us will confront reality for you.
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"Paging Mr. Shackford, please call your office"
Wrecked semi shoots load of dildos and lube all over I-40…
It's a good thing you found that article. The editorial staff is probably wondering what happened to their delivery...
But what are the 2nd grade teachers going to use for instructional material now?
Somewhere in there is an analogy of how the lube and dildos are used on taxpayers by governments...
The government would never use lube.
Funny it was two trucks... "You got your chocolate in my peanut butter!"
That might be the funniest aspect to the whole calamity
DeSantis and Abbott Are RIGHT To ........(Delete emotional propaganda B.S. here)..... insist D.C. deal with Migration.
The best way to TEACH someone is to let them DO-IT/HANDLE it themselves. Covering for someone else's ignorance just breeds more stupidity and ignorance. It is D.C. JOB to handle international affairs that is why they are the Union of States Government. That was their very purpose of existence. To protect the USA from foreign invasion.
https://twitter.com/EmilieIkedaNBC/status/1570775078828388353
HAPPENING NOW: Migrants, flown into Martha’s Vineyard by Fl’s governor, are boarding buses. They’ll be heading to Joint Base Cape Cod, according to officials. 125 Mass National Guard members are being activated to assist.
Isn't it racist or something to bus Migrants away?
2 guards per immigrant?
So, by sanctuary, Martha's Vineyard means a distant military base.
ps. How do "buses" cross the ocean?
By sanctuary, they mean for themselves. There's a reason they live on an island you can only get to by ferry.
In other words, there's no more room at the Kennedy Compound? Break it up for tiny houses.
"...as if it's morally acceptable to simply use people at their most vulnerable to make such a point."
Like Democrats have been doing with poor Blacks in their cities for decades?
In fairness, Democrats have never regarded blacks as people. Sure, sometimes 3/5 of people when apportioning for Congress, but never fully people.
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CIA smiles, FBI nods, Democrats take notes
China Expands Its Secret Police Stations Around the World
"China uses 54 overseas police stations, including in New York City, to hunt down citizens"
I'm sure its just like our FBI stations around the world doing good work for mankind.
Sarcasim off
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Chinese spyware
TikTok exec won’t say under oath if Chinese communists are accessing US user data
Not the 1st sign that DeSantis is not fit for office, as he is ruled by his ambition and personnel grudges with no sense of boundaries for how a governor should act. This fuck took $12 million is Florida state funds to ship unknowing families and children from Texas, escaping the leftist dysfunctional Venezuela, to an island of wealthy people and vacationers where there was obviously no jobs and no facilities - same could be said about numerous Florida locations, starting with Palm Beach, Star Island, Sanibel, etc.. Even the sought after propaganda on this is wrong:
"The Department of Homeland Security plans to transport migrants awaiting immigration proceedings from U.S. cities along the southern border farther into the interior of the country, beginning with Los Angeles in the coming weeks, according to internal documents obtained by NBC News. ...
The new model would use federal funds to send migrants to shelters in cities farther inside the country before they go to their final destinations. Besides Los Angeles, they will be sent to Albuquerque, New Mexico; Houston; Dallas; and other cities. DHS is working with shelters in each of the cities in advance of moving migrants. The agency’s Southwest Border Coordination Center, which combines officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, CBP and other agencies, is coordinating the effort. .."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/border-surge-biden-admin-plans-send-migrants-cities-deeper-us-starting-rcna32530
Of course the GOP will mostly come to his defense, given he's the great white hope to replace Trump. They don't care about whatever other nasty, cruel, and power hungry bullshit he tries. Let's hope this one backfires in his short chubby face and here's some hope:
"Venezuelan-American leaders in Florida denounced the “flights of asylum seekers” to Martha’s Vineyard, blasting DeSantis.
At a press conference in Doral, a city that has largely grown and developed by Venezuelan and South American immigrants, Venezuelan-American groups and business leaders ripped DeSantis for what they called a 'morally repulsive' political stunt.
Adelys Ferro, executive director of the Venezuelan American Caucus, said no Venezuelan, no Hispanic, no immigrant should ever be used 'in his political games to gain headlines, to gain political points.'
She also blasted the governor saying he is using Venezuelans' opposition to the 'cruel, criminal and terrible' dictatorship of Venezuela's Nicolás Maduro.
She said the governor simply wants Venezuelan support when 'it is convenient to obtain votes' while then 'trafficking in our pain.'
The group called the governor’s move a “blatant disregard for human life,” and accused him of lying to Cuban and Venezuelan communities earlier this month, when they said he pledged not to sent migrants from either country out of state..."
and:
"James Judge, who is running against Democratic U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor in Tampa, said politicizing people in need of help “is not only un-Christian, it’s un-American.”
“Using human beings who are fleeing socialism, including women and children, for political gain, is absolutely disgusting and the furthest thing from being Christ-like that I can imagine,” he said Thursday. “For someone who talks about putting on the full armor of God, I think our governor got this one tremendously wrong.” He said his congressional opponent, along with Democrats “demonize” those law enforcement officers trying to enforce border security and immigration laws. “Castor, (House Speaker Nancy) Pelosi and Biden’s policies are inhumanely ushering in illegal immigrants, which inadvertently supports organized crime, drug cartels and terrorism while creating a serf-like class of workers,” he said.
“As Christians, we’re called to love our neighbors. And, whether you’re a Christian or not, I think it’s evident that both political parties are significantly failing our citizens and our neighbors. They have become divisive to the point of hatred, and we are at a really ugly place in American history. I believe our society needs to recheck the moral compass and try to do unto others as we would have them do unto us,” he said...."
“blatant disregard for human life,”
And what has Biden's border policy been? 58 dead immigrants in a semi. Dozens drowned including children. Countless women raped.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
So, it was wrong to post pictures of kids in cages on 2015 and blame it on Trump?
It is wrong for Pelosi to justify massive Democrat slush funds with out of context Boble quotes?
I’m so confused
Yes you are. Look into that and get back to us.
Are you insinuating that those examples didn't happen?
"This fuck took $12 million is Florida state funds to ship unknowing families and children from Texas..."
It was in the state budget that almost every democrat in the FL legislature voted for. I guess Venezuelans were expandable when it's time to grab that cash.
These immigrants weren't in Florida, they were in Texas. Besides being unusually stupid and cruel, it was complete waste of state money.
You'll forgive any bullshit this asshole pulls, won't you?
You'll forgive any hypocrisy democrats dispense, won't you?
Cry more.
DeSantis will be the one crying when he figures out what an indefensible and cruel fuck up this was. Hey, he likes to include his cute kids in campaign literature. Picture them dropped off some place unknown with no food or support, you know, just for fun!
This will gross out independents and even non-MAGA true believing Republicans.
James Judge, who is running against Democratic U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor in Tampa, said politicizing people in need of help “is not only un-Christian, it’s un-American.”
“Using human beings who are fleeing socialism, including women and children, for political gain, is absolutely disgusting and the furthest thing from being Christ-like that I can imagine,” he said Thursday. “For someone who talks about putting on the full armor of God, I think our governor got this one tremendously wrong.” He said his congressional opponent, along with Democrats “demonize” those law enforcement officers trying to enforce border security and immigration laws. “Castor, (House Speaker Nancy) Pelosi and Biden’s policies are inhumanely ushering in illegal immigrants, which inadvertently supports organized crime, drug cartels and terrorism while creating a serf-like class of workers,” he said.
“As Christians, we’re called to love our neighbors. And, whether you’re a Christian or not, I think it’s evident that both political parties are significantly failing our citizens and our neighbors. They have become divisive to the point of hatred, and we are at a really ugly place in American history. I believe our society needs to recheck the moral compass and try to do unto others as we would have them do unto us,” he said...."
It is super delightful how triggered you got by this whole thing, DeSantis must be onto something. Keep going, by the time your next screed is done the popcorn will be ready.
If Joe Friday's mad, someone somewhere is doing the right thing.
Earth Based asked you to cry more, and you did! Good job following directions buddy.
lol look who's frightened
All this butthurt over millionaires having to be on the same island as a couple dozen brown people for a few hours.
It wasn’t the designated Landscaping Day!!
Not the 1st sign that DeSantis is not fit for office
I see Joe got the memo on the Proggies next grand scheme. When calling enemies racist and transphobic becomes background noise, they will create fitness tests to hold public office. It has worked in China for ages.
Democracy! - only those deemed worthy need apply.
Money well spent, given how much it is going to save state taxpayers.
Migrants chose to go voluntarily and were well informed. Contrary to what you believe, brown people aren't idiots.
95% of the world lives in leftist dysfunctional countries; the US can't take all those people in. And the way the US is going, that is rapidly approaching 99%.
You only live once. You're going to waste an awful lot of your life rationalizing every terrible thing Republican politicians do, and you'll never be able to explain exactly why.
I'm sincerely hoping you find your way out of the cult. It won't be easy, for some reason. Personally I never found a politician or political organization that was good enough to worship.
You only live once. You're going to waste an awful lot of your life lying to people on a comment board that despise you and don’t believe any of your lies.
"I don't believe your lies" is just what a cultist would say.
Or anyone who knows you're a dishonest piece of shit, which is almost everyone here.
*Flips through Bible*
Nope, I'm pretty sure Christ wants us to hate migrants, gays, prostitutes, and so forth. Especially the trannies. Hate is what Christ craves.
It's in here somewhere, hold on...
If hate is the only thing motivating this, can we assume that your house is full of illegal aliens? No?
Why do you hate these people tony?
Fuck Joe Friday.
The migrants have been bussed off of the island.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/quick-buses-arrive-marthas-vineyard-deport-illegals-off-island/
I bet they are still hosing down the streets.
And holding group therapy sessions for anxiety.
Send them to Palm Beach. If they were also assholes like DeSantis, they could afford it. We already know Trump likes illegals as employees, but these immigrants aren't illegal.
How many have to personally pledged to support?
Good plan, but I think Trump might be in Bedminster this time of year.
Did Palm Beach spend significant time posturing, virtue signaling and presenting itself as a sanctuary city for illegals like Chicago and Martha's Vinyard did?
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NCLA argues against executive power for the FTC.
The brief is here.
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Buttplug smiles
FedEx issues ominous warning about the global economy, shares tumble
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Goldman Sachs preparing layoffs across all departments as soon as next week: report
"Before the pandemic, Goldman annually culled 1% to 5% of under-performers from its workforce every year. It halted the firings as business boomed during the pandemic."
Not a recession!
As long as DNC donations continue.
Time for a bailout!
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Chemjeff smiles
Teacher charged with 24 sex crimes after posting TikToks of students, school says
A former Tennessee elementary school teacher is facing two dozen child sex charges, including rape, after police say she posted inappropriate videos of students to TikTok.
Is that what SPB has been up to?
If I had to guess he's been banned from TikTok because it's the digital equivalent of being within 500 feet of a middle school.
"DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment"
ENB:
1. Too stupid to understand the point?
2. Willfully ignoring the point and hoping others are stupid enough to buy it?
3. Lazy in thought and writing?
4. All of the above?
4. All of the above.
as if it's morally acceptable to simply use people at their most vulnerable to make such a point
That must've been a really shitty flight from FL to MA to be worse than the trek from Guatemala to TX.
Kinda makes you wonder that, if they are at their most vulnerable in the US, why did they leave their respective countries of origin... to the point that most reasonable adults could see that 'at their most vulnerable' is an emotionally manipulative lie.
You know how terrible flying commercial is!
- Typical Martha's Vineyard part-time resident.
They’ve seen what kind of people pass through first class to get to the back of the plane. It’s horrendous.
Given their low levels of education and low incomes, America's highly progressive tax system and two trillion dollar budget deficits, what they will also do is bankrupt this nation even faster.
We can open the borders once the budget is balanced and the welfare state has been abolished. Until then, advocating for open borders isn't libertarian, it's socialist and authoritarian.
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Not content with 1984, Animal Farm and Brave New World, they took notes from The Purge too.
Murders rose 44% compared to 2019: study
Anti-vax groups use carrot emojis to hide Facebook posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-62877597
The BBC has seen several groups, one with hundreds of thousands of members, in which the emoji appears in place of the word "vaccine".
Facebook's algorithms tend to focus on words rather than images.
The groups are being used to share unverified claims of people being either injured or killed by vaccines.
Once the BBC alerted Facebook's parent company, Meta, the groups were removed.
"We have removed this group for violating our harmful misinformation policies and will review any other similar content in line with this policy. We continue to work closely with public health experts and the UK government to further tackle Covid vaccine misinformation," the firm said in a statement.
However, the groups have since re-appeared in our searches.
Carrot misinformation
What about the guys using carrot emojis for sexting?
The carrot didn't work. Time to use the stick?
You can’t beet carrot puns! They’re the tops! Peels of laughter abound!
https://twitter.com/AdamShawNY/status/1570785993544040448
125 National Guard members activated to deal with 50 migrants.
Those wetbacks are pretty scary. Rapists and murderers or something.
Terrorists, General; don't forget terrorists.
See! They're caring for these poor, unfortunate souls. By turning them over to the military.
my brother lives on Nantucket they are taking the invasion threat very seriously
There once was a man from Nantucket.
he just sells expensive wine. been calling him NIMBY for a couple of days lol
Rumor has it there also once was a maiden so blunt..
>>instead using them like pawns in a disgraceful game of political one-upmanship.
you are either an Open Borders site or you are not, cannot be both.
Quick google search shows 100 listings for hotels on Martha's Vineyard. It's off-season, so they're probably pretty wide open. But they stashed them into a homeless shelter instead.
It's not that they *can't* support 50 illegal immigrants. They just don't want to.
Question. Who is "they"? Do you think the hotels should be forced to accommodate them for free? Would you be fine with the federal government paying the bill for the going rate on those hotel rooms to house them?
Newsom thinks hotels should house homeless people so why not MV. Strange how Newsom seems to be running for some type of office that does not exist or does he now think being governor of california makes him the President
I dont give a fuck about Newsom. That does not answer my question. Do you think these hotels should do it for free and if not do you agree with the government covering the cost of the going rates for them?
Perhaps the people in MV who talk so big about sanctuary can pay for them.
Yes. The subhuman retarded progressives that infest mv should be held accountable for what they say their views are. They say they want unfettered immigration, and now they should deal with the ramifications
The government frequently foots the bill to use hotels as temporary shelter during disasters, so stop crying about the taxpayers.
Or are you only okay with the practice for American citizens?
I think people with those stupid "We Believe..." yard signs should be forced to accommodate them for free.
Ask Chicago Mayor Beetlejuice, she shipped off her precious migrants to a hotel in the suburbs.
Exactly. These lily-white upper class people on the island don't want to. They're nothing more than hypocrites.
and literal conservatives in the end.
But they stashed them into a homeless shelter instead.
For a few hours, before compassionately kicking the off the island.
And compassionately handing them over to uniformed soldiers.
Who else is going to encourage them to voluntarily get on the bus?
I'm sure Obama could have housed all 50 on his massive estate. Where is the leadership? Where is the sacrifice of compassion towards hard working immigrants?
I'm actually surprised he didn't do something. He has 29 acres. It would have been easy for him to put up some canvas tents and facilities somewhere on his property and look good about it.
But Obama is just a selfish, narcissistic psychopath, and he keeps proving that again and again.
And this is why Reason doesn't get a dime from me anymore.
I had to see it to believe it, what a joke.
You could go one step further and stop visiting their website entirely.
A huge block did just that. They had enough and left me here with you trolls, sock puppets and paid propagandists. That was when we went from "libertarian" to "anti-trump libertarian", but was actually over other issues of no longer reporting libertarian news with original reporting and more.
They are in danger of inspiring more. I stayed because this place is important to me. This place did real libertarian stuff once upon a time. Hayne and West were exposed here. Innocent men they framed were freed, and we got to go along for the ride. People stood up when the government stole a man's home, or when they burst into his house, guns drawn because someone left a package on the front porch. We fought against puppycide.
Liberty means something to me.
Supplanting that with nakedly partisan screeds that are not even libertarian at all offends me.
Some of you trolls are paid to push the chaos. Some just enjoy the engagement for the LULZ. But for people who believe in liberty as an organizing principle of the nation, this place is important. Watching it be repurposed as just another DNC talking points distribution site is painful. It is like watching a favorite nephew go from Eagle scout to drug addict to street hooker.
my favorite nephew is about four surgeries from a Chopadickoffofme so I empathize.
That favorite nephew sounds destined for a swanky gig at a Ukrainian oil company, so maybe it's not all bad.
It's amazing what they did under Gillespie's watch.
It's a shame to see what they're doing now.
So clear this up for me... What's the libertarian position on refugees? Is it to kidnap them and force them to participate in a cheap political stunt?
Nope.
But you're ok with the kidnapping I see.
I suppose it's easy enough to come up with your unison talking points, since they're all reduced to "I know you are but what am I?" these days.
You're being led by people who are stupider than children. You like them because they don't make you feel as dumb as you are.
My position on refugees is the libertarian one. Let them be free to do whatever the fuck they want, because they're people.
Thanks Cyto. For those readers who can't understand why some of us old timers are angry at Reason and their contributors your assessment matches my own. I cannot imagine the Reason of 20 years ago publishing this dishonest propaganda. Lately l'd be surprised if they didn't.
And if Four libertarians walked in and sang 2 bars of Alice's Restaurant and then walked out....
Well, you could never get 4 true libertarians to agree on anything, so nevermind....
You could stop squawking like a bird. But we all know that’s not happening.
https://twitter.com/rapterj/status/1570788060950048769
There are more millionaires on the island than refugees, lol
"Having migrants in your community isn't a punishment, something Abbott and DeSantis seem to have lost sight of."
And yet, every one of those Democrat Mayors believes it is. And so do you. Way to bundle up all of the dishonesty and all of the hypocrisy in one sentence.
If it is not a punishment, then why the complaints? If it is, why the approbations?
You are all liars and hypocrites.
And if you are sitting there indignantly refusing to accept that you are lying about this, then the first person you are lying to is yourself.
It is completely impossible to say that Biden dumping tens of thousands of illegal immigrants in Florida is an unparalleled good (involuntary, I might add), and simultaneously say DeSantis is a bad, bad person for sending 50 people (voluntarily) to the richest town in the country and believe yourself to be an honest broker. There is no room for any nuance here... One is unarguably worse (Biden) and also unarguably done for partisan reasons (they said as much). The other is political theater to expose the hypocrisy and simultaneously highlight the problems they are facing, which it does perfectly.
Stop it. It is painful to watch.
BREAKING: A Montana judge has blocked health officials from enforcing a state rule that would prevent transgender people from changing the gender on their birth certificate.
This is the stupidest time to be alive.
Republicans: OMG!! The Biden admin is flying "ghost flights" and transporting immigrants out of border states to various places around the country!
Also Republicans: OMG! Why isn't the Biden Admin transporting immigrants out of border states to various places around the country!?
Dumbest interpretation ever.
There's nothing but a smoldering crater where that strawman used to be. Good job.
You must understand that it's also true that the liberals and the media are outrageous and over the top for criticizing red state governors for doing the very same thing Biden's been doing with the ghost flights - except the red state governors have the guts to do it in the wide open for all to see - and Biden was trying to hide it the entire time!!
Go Texas!! and Go Florida!!
It took a study to demonstrate what's been common sense and practice since, like, forever?
CNN headline: The migrants sent to Martha’s Vineyard will be voluntarily taken to a military base for shelter and support
Voluntarily, of course!
Political stunt or not, I reside in one of our border states and I can tell you that there has been a humanitarian crisis for years across our border states with Mexico. Tens of thousands reach our southern border each and every day.
The folks in places like D.C. and NYC have the luxury of being able to look away and have the nerve to "claim" that there the border is somehow safe. Well, the border states can no longer handle the massive influx alone. This is a big problem for the country as a whole.
You are absolutely right - it might be a political stunt to push the migrants forward into the spotlight for all the world to see, but apparently it's the only way to get any media coverage except from right leaning sources!!!
Kudos to Texas and Florida!!
You think DeSantis did this to shed light on a humanitarian crisis?
Republicans have been welcome to vote for comprehensive immigration reform for decades. They have declined. They like using brown people to fearmonger. They got nothing else.
https://twitter.com/dantypo/status/1570815251423301634
In 2020, scores of cities burned & 1000s of businesses looted while sending in the National Guard to protect those citizens was called “fascistic”.
But a rich liberal island has to deal with 50 migrants for 36 hours and the National Guard sends in 125 troops to clear the area?
I chuckle at every "We've got a housing crisis!" clip I see as a reporter, a camera man, a sound guy, a couple of a production assistants, etc., etc. all stand around capturing what's going on. No room for 50 migrants, but 125 NG troops and a small media army? No problem!
Governor. National guard doesn't "do" anything in that sense. Political leaders use them to do stuff for them. I think Illinois also declared a state of emergency over a few hundred migrants in a city of millions.
Yes, Pritzker (D-Missing Toilets) declared a disaster and called out the national guard for a mere 500 of them.
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1570817265716822022
The same community that sprung up this party tent for Barack Obama's 500-Person Birthday Party last year suddenly can't find anywhere to house 50 illegal aliens?
Lol. A party where no one wore masks, defying the rules at the time. So much hypocrisy.
Come election time, they’ll blame Russians and voter suppression. Anyone but themselves.
It's not punishment.
They are simply sharing the wealth.
That ENB tells us it is punishment says more about her lack of integrity and dishonesty than anything else.
You're telling us it's a public servant using his time in office to troll the libs.
It would be nice if she could take it a step further and acknowledge that the federal government and blue cities/states have been using illegal immigrants to punish border states. When they are exposed to a small fraction of the problem they create for others they declare a state of emergency. Fuck these sanctimonious assholes. If they had any integrity then we'd finally be having a real conversation about how unsustainable it is to keep inviting hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/politics/marthas-vineyard-migrants-shelter-desantis/index.html
"The migrants sent to Martha's Vineyard have been voluntarily taken to a military base for support, officials say"
Wait, Colbert, Kimmel, and the MSM told me that the white libs in Marthas Vineyard *PWND* Desantis with their warm welcome.
Could it be that they put on a smiling face and then IMMEDIATELY called the cops and said get these fucking mexicans off my multimillion dollar property?
Has AOC been found safe? Does she know their are cages in Marthas Vineyard she has to cry at?
Pretty sure she just got murdered 50 times. By MAGA immigrants.
I know the idea is supposed to be that border states don't know when migrants will arrive, or in what numbers, so this is giving Democratic-controlled locales a taste of that. But border states are nonetheless prepared for migrant arrivals more generally. They have systems in place—and ample federal assistance—in addressing their arrival. It is not the same to simply send buses or planes full of people to places with no expectation that they're coming.
Piss off, Liz.
Let's forget about the fact that these 'amply funded' border towns have been saying there's a crisis lately as the numbers of people showing up unexpectedly has increased significantly AND that inflation has eaten away at their 'ample funding' AND that the preening leftist shitwads ostensibly running the country causing said inflation have denied either is happening, AND that many of the same preening leftist shitwads are sneering at the southern state governors and border city mayors about being hateful bigots AND at the same time proclaiming far and wide how they stand with immigrants and are proud to be sanctuary cities.
They want to talk the talk, but look how they act when they're expected to walk the walk.
THEY SHOULD ALL BE BULL-WHIPPED ALL THE WAY BACK ACROSS THE BORDER!
THAT OR LINED UP AGAINST THE WALL!!!
To be clear, you think that refugees ought to be murdered by the state despite committing no crime.
Show of hands for those who agree?
Really?
DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment
Says the person who's happy with the current open borders policy.
The pain (not to the immigrants, but to these liberal sanctuary cities), needs to be felt, and the problem needs to be seen, before it will apparently be addressed.
Out of sight and out of mind has been the status quo for far too long!!
"DeSantis and Abbot are wrong to treat migrants as punishment."
What about the Democratic mayors of Chicago, New York City, and the rich, white liberals of Martha's Vineyard who are treating them as a punishment for arriving in their jurisdictions?
No room in the story, I suppose, to name all the villains.
"DeSantis and Abbott Are Wrong To Treat Migrants as a Punishment"
That is not even in English. It's incoherent.
In any case, they're - literally - doing the same thing with these people Biden has been doing.
You don't complain when 50 illegal immigrants are dropped off outside some podunk town in the southwest and left to fend for themselves. Why is it different t when they're dropped off in Martha's Vineyard?
Because when it's in Bumfuck, Texas, it only affects the little Republican-voting people. When it's in Martha's Vineyard, it affects big Democrat voters and donors and bigwigs (see: Obamas, Kennedys). You have to understand the Democrat Media Complex (including ENB) here and their outrage or feigned outrage.
We Stand With Immigrants Who Stay In Red States.
sin,
leftist snobs and ENB
When did Biden kidnap 50 migrants and ship them somewhere as a political stunt?
You got a cite for the kidnapping? Seems like everyone got where they were going voluntarily.
Or was it also kidnapping when they got shunted onto a bus and sent to a military base after your pals decided there were too many brown people on their island?
Tell it to the jury.
Ron DeSantis is going to asshole himself into oblivion. Flash in the pan.
Again, a cite for the "kidnapping"? Last I saw, consent forms were signed, they were told exactly where they were going, and they actually *gasp* volunteered to go to those places. The lies given were that the so-called sanctuary cities and states would accept them. Those states and cities lied.
The migrants themselves say they were deceived, didn't know where they were, and were largely concerned with making their court dates in various cities they weren't sent to.
But as this is a libertarian board, I understand you're going to take some politician's self-serving word over theirs.
"But border states are nonetheless prepared for migrant arrivals more generally. They have systems in place—and ample federal assistance—in addressing their arrival. It is not the same to simply send buses or planes full of people to places with no expectation that they're coming."
Because these motherfuckers have been doing this for years. At the beginning we we'ren't prepared either.
Now these other places will start to put systems in place too.
Plus, if you say you are a sanctuary city - why are you not prepared to provide sanctuary?
Because saying you're a sanctuary city is just empty virtue signalling, as we now have seen.
instructors can teach at a level that is not too advanced or trivial for the students and optimize the overall learning of all students collectively regardless of the group
As if that were the point. Indoctrination works better when there are fewer kids in each class with the ability to question the narrative.
Wait, jurisdictions that have pledged non-cooperation with federal immigration law are complaining about no notice and lack of cooperation?
That is fucking rich.
The immigration crisis was caused entirely by the federal government. Rather than telling the government to fix the problem, Reason is really bent out of shape that the Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott are forcing the government and it's strongest supporters to actually look at the problem they've created.
There's no set-in-stone rule within libertarianism that while we have a massive federal authority and welfare/entitlement state, the taxpayer must also accept being on the hook to accommodate the consequences of open-borders. But the Koch brothers sure do love importing cheap labor, so this is the hill that the alleged-libertarian publication of record chooses to die on.
What immigration crisis? Describe it.
I guess he's referring to the one where there is a plan in place to process Venezuelan asylum seekers, such as these.
Never mind. I'll let fkthepostoffice get back to his hand waving.
If the plan in place to process them was well thought out, the administration wouldn't be dropping them off in the middle of the night in red state's that aren't welcoming or accommodating them and instead sending them somewhere else in the country. Most asylum applicants don't qualify and large percentages of them are simply released into the country and never show up for the court dates.
Well, 50 unannounced arrivals in Martha's Vineyard was enough for them to call it a crisis. Are they wrong?
Aood point.
And that's not mentioning the regular occurrence of dozens of people being abandoned and dying in trailers trying to sneak across the border, or drowning during river crossings, or dying in the desert, or being sexually assaulted along the journey, or themselves sexually assaulting, robbing and killing other migrants or people in border communities.
What a fascinating exercise in the sociopathy of the right. I've dealt with my share of insane evil freaks in my day. It's not that they have a hard time empathizing, it's that they can't even conceptualize a person who doesn't treat whole classes of other people like worthless dogshit.
So I guess thanks, DeSantis, for spending $12 million to demonstrate to the American people that Republicans are inhuman monsters and even rich Democrats are compassionate.
Those rich compassionate Democrats are going to offer to handle this from now on right? You wouldn't want such an evil piece of shit in charge of taking care of these people.
Democrats have been behind comprehensive immigration reform for decades. Republicans have only screeched about the brown menace around election time. Trump's big idea was to build an actual wall, as if he has the mind of a dumb child.
We're going to have a lot more refugees here in the north as climate change continues, another problem your people have ostentatiously avoided addressing for decades.
Your politicians don't want to solve these problems. They want to make you so angry about it that you forget to think.
Democrats have been behind comprehensive immigration reform for decades.
And their reform amounts to "no limits, and we'll make the rich pay for it." So DeSantis sends fifty people to one of the wealthiest parts of the country, and say "Here, pay for these people" and the left calls it a crime against humanity.
That is an outright and unadulterated lie. Democrats have blocked immigration reform every time it came up.
Biden has a majority in both houses. They have introduced no bill.
Obama had a supermajority for 2 years. No bill was proposed.
Bush put together a comprehensive plan that would massively increase legal migration to the US and vastly expand the ability of foreign nationals to work here. Chuck Schumer personally announced it Dead On Arrival without even reading it. Even though many Dems worked with the bush team, along with many Republicans, the establishment killed it.
I wrote many a screed about it in HnR at the time. I was pissed. Because it revealed that the objectives to create a class of exploitable non citizens. Left and right, they agreed on that point.
In my lifetime, Democrats have been for massive illegal immigration and for periodic amnesties and citizenship to relieve the pressure and gain new voters. They have never once been for a systematic reform that is not designed to maintain all of the negatives we currently experience.
They lie.
And you lie.
The rich Democrats immediately did what DeSantis did and sent the problem somewhere else. They're no more compassionate than he is. They are liars though for claiming they were a sanctuary community and then not using their community as a sanctuary.
You think DeSantis demonstrated to the American people that Repubs are inhuman monsters and even the rich Dems are compassionate. From where I'm sitting, he cut a dozen killer campaign commercials showing all those "sanctuary communty" "no human is illegal" "all are welcome" yard signs are the mark of a hypocrite and Democrats will freak out the moment you actually make them live up to their rhetoric. I suspect that the reality here is this event was a political Rorschach test where the left will feel like they were the put-upon victims and "see, aren't those Republicans so cruel" and the right will see the left/democrats as massive hypocrites.
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. They couldn't stay there. Nobody even called ahead and they had no facilities ready. All of those people had legal obligations in other cities to attend to.
You really just sucked up the latest talking point and haven't bothered reading a goddamn single piece of journalism. I hate you idiots.
Great, leave. "Nobody even called ahead..." You're a moron.
"They couldn't stay there."
It's a self-advertised immigration sanctuary. It's also an island full of empty rental homes after Labor Day.
"Nobody called ahead."
Nobody calls ahead when the Biden administration does this all the time.
"All of those people had legal obligations in other cities to attend to."
Nobody was forced onto those buses/planes. They all agreed to get on and go somewhere. Part of being responsible for oneself is keeping track of your own legal obligations.
"You really just sucked up the latest talking point"
Literally everything you said up to this point was just a regurgitated talking point, so you can spare me the fake indignation.
Biden is Wrong To Treat illegals as a Punishment…
I suspect that E. Brown overlooked Joe sending thousands upon thousands of illegals to Florida and other states under cover of night. I’m certain she just forgot.
Are you referring to this:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/17/politics/desantis-florida-republicans-routine-migrant-flights-immigration/index.html
Has Elizabeth explained how she has done more for "asylum seekers" than DeSantis, Abbot, Biden, or even K. Harris? I'd wager a free flight or bus to a place they don't want to go is infinitely more than she has ever done.
Freaking ENB didn't bother to do her job as a journalist and actually interview the 50 PERSONS sent to Martha's Vinyard.
Daily Mail did, and it seems that some of them are very happy to be in the care of the US military:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11220963/Cape-Cod-military-base-50-migrants-chowed-shipped-Marthas-Vineyard.html
But it's way easier to sit back and treat the PERSONS as political pawns by also adopting the sanctimonious virtue-signaling of the Democrats that has been exposed as utterly hypocritical by their behavior in this genius and evidently kind GOP move.
* It's kind because if these people had stayed in Florida, they probably would have suffered greatly, whereas they are now being treated quite well in Cape Cod.
Now Telemundo has sent a reporter to talk to the actual PEOPLE and found that they are happy with what DeSantis did.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11221287/Telemundo-reporter-says-migrants-flown-Marthas-Vineyard-Ron-DeSantis-glad.html
When is Reason going to send ENB to go interview the PEOPLE she lectures us are PEOPLE and not pawns? Is there any budget set aside for the trip and interview?
The Biden administration and the Democrat congress caused all this by quintessentially opening the fucking borders. Why is no news outlets, aside from Fox News and Local News close to the border, but INCLUDING REASON refuse to call this spade a fucking spade. Is it really too much to fucking ask that REASON show some fucking common sense when it comes to Soverign Borders and whom exactly caused all this?
You want I should answer your survey - how about this: The more Reason sounds like the lamestream progressive defense machine, the less I'll read it.
Reason is a libertarian magazine, and as ideologues of a philosophy of maximizing individual liberty, we cannot abide even weak national borders.
A border is a restriction on individual freedom that cannot be justified rationally. They are owned by no one. They were chosen by no one alive. Sovereignty is a principle of state violence. Borders are invisible lines dividing oppressor from oppressor. They have to go. As you well know.
Wrong.
Libertarianism means your rights only end where other peoples' rights begin. Borders are lines drawn to mark places that you don't want outsiders to enter without permission. Your bathroom door is a border, your front door, your gate, your car door, etc. National borders are just groups of like-minded individuals deciding where their rights end, and others' rights begin. People that don't respect those borders are basically saying they don't respect the law your collective has agreed to, or your right to create such a law.
However, since you feel this is wrong, I suppose this means you wouldn't mind DeSantis shipping a busload of illegals to your bathroom while you're on the toilet? After all, borders are just a tool you use to oppress people that want to watch you pee.
Because the migrants are arriving, without warning, in states like Texas and Arizona! And no one is coordinating with those states, giving them advance warning, or making sure there are jobs or places for them to live. That's the whole point.
DeSantis and Abbott Are Correct to Expose the Hypocrisy of the Left
DeSantis and Abbott Are Correct to See Blue State Share the Expense and Pain of the Illegals
DeSantis and Abbott Are Correct to Move Illegals to SANCTUARY CITES AND STATE That Desire the Presence of Illegals
Reason is wrong to support illegals, support punishing red states, support Biden flying illegals into red states in the middle of the night.
But then Reason supports the Dictatorship or the left.
We're Biden and Obama wrong to treat illegal immigrants as punishment?
Libtard nutter ENB on the wrong side of history once again. Strange how she's an editor for a "libertarian" magazine, and yet every single issue she writes about ends up being a bunch of weasel words to support Democrats. Why the hell is she working here instead of the NYT?
The funny thing about this whole situation is that it's not DeSantis, and Abott that are treating this as "punishment", it's the people that claimed they wanted this all along. I assumed the commiecrats would just smile and nod, and accept these people with open arms, but instead they've practically went into a seizure. WE'RE A SANCTUARY STATE...HEY WAIT WHAT ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE DOING HERE?! GET OFF MY LAWN!
They talked a big game for the last 30 years, but they act like complete NIMBY Karens after a mere fraction of fraction of a percent of what border states have dealt with over that time.
My only question is why this is costing millions of dollars. I could personally drive a busload of illegals from Texas to Martha's Vineyard for about $1500-$2000 when you consider food, breaks, etc. I don't see it costing more than $10000 even if we all stayed at the Hilton every night along the way.
“(Democrat) politicians are (encouraging) migrant asylum seekers (to cross the border) with little thought to their needs or well-being (or that of the communities those migrants inhabit), instead using them like pawns in a disgraceful game of political one-upmanship.
To so-called "libertarians" like the author, Republicans are expected to act civil or better while the left can do whatever they want. The soft bigotry of low expectations and a typical mentality of a pseudo-intellectual who wants to be in "the game."
Never mind, of course, the left has openly preached "replacement theory" they openly deny despite evidence to the contrary.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/09/us/virginia-elections-democrats-republicans.html
It is not anti-libertarian for a nation to control its sovereign borders. It is a core function on the Federal government. It is not racist and to not do so is one the hallmarks of a failed state. To quote Ronald Reagan "A country without borders is really not a country at all" but in the relm of Marxist ideology to erase a country's borders is to erase a country's identity.
Looks like ELIZABETH NOLAN BROWN and Fiona were room mates at STU.. Stupid Twit University. How can anyone continue to be paid to write the garbage they have about illegal aliens being driven or flown around OUR country with OUR TAX dollars. Ladies go to the border and write about real abuse that US citizens and illegal aliens are enduring from the Lefts policies.
Durka Dur!
As~individuals~ they are people.
But the problem is not an individual problem but a mass problem so those involved [the ones who are breaking into the USA in violation of long standing US Law and International principals] may expect to be treated as "Chess Pieces".
Misleading people about their destination is wrong, but nobody is asking the questions needed to be asked about how much is misdirection and how much is these people just misunderstanding what they are being told.
Wow there are a lot of comments on this story. Oh and the author of this story is full of shit.
Republican governor bad for sending illegals....Biden doing the same thing Christ! Elizabeth forget something?
Why should DeSantis and Abbott's states support almost 4 million illegals the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has illegally let into the country? Florida is not even a border state Biden flew plane loads of illegals into Florida in the middle of the night. What they are doing is raising awareness and showing Democrats are hypocrites. These illegals are going to cost states, counties and local governments millions. Welfare, healthcare, job training and their kids schooling both regular classes and teaching them English. Let's not forget the jails and prisons for those cartel members, drug dealers, other criminals and terrorists that get caught. Why should only Red state that Biden is trying to change to Blues states only have this pain? The number of illegal means every state must take their share. Unless of course those concerned Reason writers are willing to support all the illegals themselves?
Again Reasons reasoning sucks.
How is this an issue for libertarians? People made an important decision in their life -- they don't want to be bothered with another thousand foreign nationals in their community, or even just one more. The governors didn't give advance notice, they didn't take care to drop-off non-citizens in convenient places -- they are libertarianly free to do so, correct? According to Reason, there isn't anything more than "liberty" involved, is there? Something like ethics that are beyond only respecting the freely made choices of others?
"If we just let people who arrive freely connect with employers, communities, and charities ... many more of them would ... go on to contribute to the beautiful pluralism and diversity that makes America great." Simple enough, then. Just let the precious people in New York City, Washington D.C., and Martha's Vineyard know how easy this is and America will be made "great" again. Even better, the American North-East can become as beautifully plural and diverse as the southern-western border regions! Sorry Texas and Arizona, New York City wins this one.