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New Gun Store Tracking Code Deputizes Private Firms To Do Government's Bidding

Politicians bypass hard legislative work and constitutional protections to target activities they don’t like.

J.D. Tuccille | 9.14.2022 7:00 AM

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Government officials continue deputizing private businesses to implement restrictive policies that can't win traction through the political process or are forbidden by the Constitution. The latest target is gun rights.

The newest development comes in the form of a specific merchant category code for retailers of firearms and ammunition, breaking them out from the broader category of specialty retailers in which they were previously included. The code makes credit card purchases from such businesses much easier to track and potentially exposes buyers and sellers to harassment.

The new code is touted as an anti-crime measure, but its advocates don't specify how tagging all transactions by associated vendors will identify suspicious activity.

"Amalgamated Bank announced that its application to the International Standards Organization for a new merchant category code (MCC) for gun and ammunition stores was approved," the New York-based financial institution announced September 9. "This code is the key to creating new tools that all financial institutions must now use to begin detecting and reporting suspicious activity associated with gun trafficking and mass shootings to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the government agency charged with safeguarding the financial system from illicit use."

Amalgamated Bank is more of a political operation that happens to process financial transactions than a financial institution with ideological leanings. "When you deposit your money at Amalgamated, it supports sustainable organizations, progressive causes, and social justice," the bank boasts. So, it's no surprise that its petition to the Geneva-based International Standards Organization was supported by similar calls from like-minded politicians. That includes Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.), Rep. Madeleine Dean (D–Penn.), Democratic New York City Mayor Eric Adams, and other elected officials, all of whom developed a simultaneous interest in how credit card companies identify vendors.

"Mass shooters have repeatedly financed deadly massacres using credit cards, and Bank CEOs need to step up to save lives," huffed Warren.

But the new code doesn't come with subcategories for aspiring mass murderers; it tags all purchases, whether of rifles or beef jerky, and without regard for intent. That has industry insiders worried that politicians are again weaponizing the financial system to target activities they don't like but haven't been able to ban through law. That's a game anybody can play.

"Some executives in private discussions have flagged concerns that it could lead to the creation of more codes that could be used to crack down on controversial businesses such as abortion providers," The Wall Street Journal reported.

Well, of course it could. It wasn't that long ago that the banking industry was conscripted by the U.S. Justice Department's Operation Choke Point crusade against payday lenders, adult entertainment, gun dealers, and other politically disfavored enterprises.

"The general outline is the DOJ and bank regulators are putting the screws to banks and other third-party payment processors to refuse banking services to companies and industries that are deemed to pose a 'reputation risk' to the bank," George Mason University law professor Todd Zywicki wrote in 2014. "Most controversially, the list of dubious industries is populated by enterprises that are entirely, or at least generally, legal."

Operation Choke Point was officially terminated in 2017. But that wasn't the end of using nominally private businesses to achieve policy goals. American Banker reported in 2019 on financial institutions pressured to deny services to "politically divisive clients." More recently, under fire from elected officials, UPS implemented tougher shipping policies for gun-related businesses, and even destroyed some packages in transit. The regulatory state gives politicians enormous leverage.

"The social media companies are at pains to show that they share the government's goals, which is precisely the problem," Reason's Jacob Sullum noted of cooperation by Facebook and Twitter to suppress messages disliked by the White House. "Given the broad powers that the federal government has to make life difficult for these businesses through public criticism, litigation, regulation, and legislation, the Biden administration's 'asks' for stricter moderation are tantamount to commands."

Ultimately, whether private firms do the bidding of government by choice or because of intimidation, the fact is that politicians are bypassing the hard work of legislation and the protections of the Constitution to target activities they just don't like. In the case of the new gun store merchant code, that poses risks to businesses as well as to customers whose transactions are flagged. But the codes specifically apply to credit card payments, creating an incentive for people to look to alternatives.

"Gun buyers trying to fly under the radar now have an incentive to pay with cash (or perhaps cryptocurrency, where it's accepted)," notes Marc Hochstein of CoinDesk.

The move also could be a boon for payment systems specifically created for the firearms industry, assuming they aren't subsequently targeted themselves.

"We've seen unusually high interest in GunTab since the new MCC was announced," I was told via email by a representative of GunTab, a payment service specifically intended for firearms-related transactions. "In particular, online forums have been very active with people discussing ways to avoid the de facto gun registry this code implies. GunTab is being suggested because we're an escrow service, not a gun store. But we're still concerned about this new MCC because of what it really represents."

The people at GunTab warn that the new merchant code might be used to choke off services to gun dealers and create a crude registry of owners. But they especially worry it will be used to generate Suspicious Activity Reports by financial institutions to the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network that could land law enforcement on people's doorsteps through "predictive policing" efforts that interpret innocent activity as a threat. Think of it as swatting formalized through financial regulations.

Interestingly, the feds are also targeting "buy now, pay later" programs that are popular with consumers, even for groceries now that inflation is so high. Such plans are also widely used for firearms purchases, which has drawn (you guessed it) the attention of anti-gun politicians.

How will financial institutions implement the new merchant code? Queries to American Express, the International Standards Organization, Mastercard, and Visa went unanswered as of press time. But whatever they do, expect it to be just the latest step in an ongoing effort by politicians to punish people and activities they dislike by conscripting private companies to do what government can't.

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  1. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    Government officials continue deputizing private businesses to implement restrictive policies that can't win traction through the political process or are forbidden by the Constitution.

    Isn't there a name for a political system whereby private businesses exist to serve the interests of the state?

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

      Yep — "ultra MAGA."

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

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      2. RedPilledConservative   3 years ago

        You are an idiot...

    2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      *Reich

      Exist to serve the interest of the Reich

    3. Agammamon   3 years ago

      Semi-fascist?

      1. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

        A truck load of NAZIs?

  2. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

    "Deputizes Private Firms To Do Government's Bidding"

    Yeah, well, we're living in dangerous times. It's become necessary for the government and private sector to work together. To prevent the rise of fascism, you see.

    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Brilliant.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

      Giving people the right to make choices is something that a free society can't afford.

  3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Just checked to see if Midway accepts PayPal.

    Our Customers frequently ask why we don’t offer PayPal as a payment method. We routinely review our payment processes and policies, but unfortunately, we continue to find, PayPal does not support the Shooting Sports industry and has implemented policies that prevent their service from being used to pay for products like Ammunition, Firearms, certain Firearm Parts, and certain accessories.

    Dicks.

    1. flag58   3 years ago

      Use PayPal to buy a gift certificate.
      Then use it to buy what you want.

      1. RedPilledConservative   3 years ago

        Fuck that - cash is king again!

  4. Moonrocks   3 years ago

    Private Companies, am I right?

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      MUH PRYVIT CUMPANEEZ

  5. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

    Overturn the 3rd Party Doctrine.

    1. GroundTruth   3 years ago

      This!

    2. Dillinger   3 years ago

      yes

  6. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

    "Mass shooters have repeatedly financed deadly massacres using credit cards, and Bank CEOs need to step up to save lives," huffed Warren.

    We’ll that’s made the Top 10 of “Stupid Shit That White Squaw Has Said” right there.

  7. RandomQuestions   3 years ago

    I've noticed something peculiar at Reason. Sometimes, when there's a bad government thing they're reporting on, they blame it on "government officials", but then other times they blame a particular party or a particular person. I'm sure there's a pattern but can't quite figure out what it is...

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Great point! Unelected bureaucrats, as in government officials, don't officially belong to a party, but we all know they're all Democrats. So when Reason blames government employees, instead of elected members of a particular party, they're really running cover for Democrats and Biden. More proof that Reason is a leftist publication run by leftist leftists. Glad someone pointed that out.

      1. RandomQuestions   3 years ago

        Are the unelected bureaucrats referenced in this article Democrats? That seems like a stretch. It does bring up the DoJ but, at least to me, the DoJ is a totally non-partisan and politically neutral organization with no political axes to grind whatsoever, especially under this Garland guy. I also never remember Reason blaming Trump for anything his DoJ or other cabinet-members did so why would they do it here. Not sure I’m buying what you’re selling.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          You asked for a pattern, so I'm giving you the pattern. Reason hates Republicans and is always covering for Democrats because every employee is a hardcore leftist, and this is yet another example. They're not libertarians criticizing both sides. They only criticize one side. Well, they don't praise Republicans and that's the same thing as praising Democrats.

          That's what everyone in the comments says, so it must be true.

          1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

            Ideas!

          2. RandomQuestions   3 years ago

            It's not what "everyone" in the comments says. There are a few especially smart and independent thinkers, that totally aren't on the left, that frequently launch into histrionic copy-pasta, world-salad fits complete with CAPS and !!!!! about lizards and weird Monty Python references whenever the left is attacked. Maybe I should listen to those posters more than the "everyone" you're talking about since they appear so rational and reasonable?

        2. Ecoli   3 years ago

          First class satire! You have a future as understudy to OBL.

          1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

            Obl is hit and miss but when he hits its like Tyson summoning the spirit of joe Frasier and marciano

      2. Its_Not_Inevitable   3 years ago

        'Tis the Nature of the Beast.

  8. Agammamon   3 years ago

    Can a business just . . . not use the new tag?

    1. kcuch   3 years ago

      This code is part of the CC customer's (the gun store) account and is assigned by the CC company. The CC holder's account has no such code attached to their (non-commercial) account.

      It can be foiled only by (the merchant) using a credit card company that chooses not to use the ISO code. Good luck.

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Serious question: What about sporting goods stores that also sell firearms?

        1. Jerry B.   3 years ago

          "But the new code doesn't come with subcategories for aspiring mass murderers; it tags all purchases, whether of rifles or beef jerky, and without regard for intent."

          So, one would assume that any place that sells firearms, be it dedicated gun store, or general sporting goods store, or pawnshop, gets the code.

          1. Ronbback   3 years ago

            Yep buy a lot of camping and fishing equipment and the FBI will come a calling. A lot of my friends save credit card points for buying xmas gifts at cabellas or basspro and others. we are talking everything from furniture to fishing worms but hey they must be doing something wrong. My friends spend a lot of money at these places.

            1. RedPilledConservative   3 years ago

              I'm there with your friends - I receive several gift cards like those for Christmas every year...

              Of course - Google (and the feds) already knows who the "potential domestic terrorists" are - of course we were Patriots before that...

      2. Agammamon   3 years ago

        So that's a while gun store - how does the company distinguish between a gun purchase, ammo purchase, a gun safe, a scope, or a logoed coffee cup?

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          They don't. The category describes the store, not what is purchased.

          So if you purchase paper targets at Joe's Guns it is tagged as a purchase from a gun store.

          But what if you buy a gun from Walmart?

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            But what if you buy a gun from Walmart?

            I can't 100.00% guarantee the answer is 'No'. But for Wal-mart, I can say with 90+% certainty the answer is 'No' and for a business like a regional outfitter say with 99.9% certainty the answer is 'No'.

            Specifically, there is no real way for an average merchant to transmit inventory/itemized sales information to Visa at the time of payment. Wal-mart may have some sort of offline reconciliation tools that do it but, even then, the likelihood that Visa (or more cogently *just* Visa) is in control of granular purchase and inventory information is slim.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              I know that if I buy snacks at the gas station, when I get my credit card statement it comes up as a gas purchase for $5.99.
              So the way I figure it, if you want to get around this don't use a credit card at a dedicated gun store. Go to Cabela's or something if you're using a card.

              1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                I know that if I buy snacks at the gas station, when I get my credit card statement it comes up as a gas purchase for $5.99.

                Right. Those are known as fixed or soft descriptors and for Visa/MC the character limit Visa accepts is 25 or 23 respectively. The merchant is responsible for generating those codes and frequently the codes aren't just not interpreted by Visa/MC but can't be (Want to cram 50 chars of data into 25 bytes of space? Compress/encrypt!).

                So the way I figure it, if you want to get around this don't use a credit card at a dedicated gun store. Go to Cabela's or something if you're using a card.

                I don't think I've ever been to a 'dedicated' gun store that doesn't also sell knives, backpacks, shirts, safes, self-standing optics, and cleaning supplies. I think probably the only place that couldn't get away with simply calling themselves a supplier, outfitter, or "Durable Goods, Not Elsewhere Classified", would be a shooting range and even they could probably fit under something like a sports field or membership club... if they so chose.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  I don't think I've ever been to a 'dedicated' gun store that doesn't also sell knives, backpacks, shirts, safes, self-standing optics, and cleaning supplies.

                  I have. There's more than a few stores around here, all single proprietorships, that only sell guns, ammo, targets, cleaning supplies, and accessories.

                  1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                    Yeah, I'm not saying they don't exist. I think I know of maybe one a couple hours drive away. But even the local gunsmith with a 20' x 30' front office has knives, t-shirts, backpacks, and MOLLE/Gear pouches out front.

              2. 5.56   3 years ago

                If you have a “delayed” status because the NICS system can’t keep up with all the purchases because of the latest impotent gun control push of the democrats, Cabela’s won’t give you your gun even after three days. Cabela’s is shit.

                And what about places like gun broker? Pay with cash? This avoidance strategy that you seem to be a fan of, this “if you don’t like it, go elsewhere” pattern never worked well and is for losers.

                1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                  If you have a “delayed” status because the NICS system can’t keep up with all the purchases because of the latest impotent gun control push of the democrats, Cabela’s won’t give you your gun even after three days. Cabela’s is shit.

                  I don't know where you are, but in my neck of the woods whomever you're buying from besides Cabelas is committing a felony. Not to say they're good, but I can't exactly fault Cabelas for having a consistent policy of following duly-passed legislation both where you live and where I live. Maybe passive corporatism is a sin, but certainly not an unforgivable one, IMO.

                  1. 5.56   3 years ago

                    I see. Well in my “neck of the not even woods anymore”, I have stuff shipped to a local FFL. If Cabela’s is your only option, that’s unfortunate but better than nothing. It’s possibly BECAUSE of Cabela’s presence, which shuts down any local gun dealer, just like Walmart shuts down many other stores in the area.

                    I don’t passively accept passive corporatism if I can actively oppose it.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Sucks how big companies can sell stuff at lower prices than small stores. I'd much rather have less money left over at the end of the day.

                    2. 5.56   3 years ago

                      Cabelas prices aren’t even that great. And some people can afford quality if they don’t live in artificially restrictive progressive shitholes. I know Walmart appeals to low income folks. Thats why they exist. Never said they should just be gone.

                    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

                      If Cabela’s is your only option, that’s unfortunate but better than nothing. It’s possibly BECAUSE of Cabela’s presence, which shuts down any local gun dealer, just like Walmart shuts down many other stores in the area.

                      The tradeoffs were very apparent during the recent ammo... situation. If you were buying a pallet of bulk 5.56 or 9mm, the local dealers were the place to go. If you wanted shells or brass for anything more """exotic""" (contextually, .22 mag, .30-06, .308, .357, anything +P, anything other than slug or 00 buck, etc.) Cabelas had stock and was more cost-competitive.

                      It's simultaneously awesome and scary that everyone suddenly owns the exact same rifles and handguns that the Gov't is the primary market-driving force behind.

                    4. mad.casual   3 years ago

                      Thats why they exist. Never said they should just be gone.

                      Yeah, I think we agree that online, big box, local, pawn, private trade, and DIY is better than any exclusive subset.

                  2. 5.56   3 years ago

                    All im saying is that if most of us were the kind of avoidant, ideologically oh so superior, proudly inert, irrelevant, impotent bench sitters we see in “libertarian” circles, the walls would be closing in even faster. Can’t have a free society with weaklings.

                2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  I bought a Glock at Cabelas last year. The FBI check only took 20 minutes. So I don't know what you're talking about.

                  1. 5.56   3 years ago

                    “I don’t know what you’re talking about”

                    That’s one of your recurrent problems.

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      "Cabela’s won’t give you your gun even after three days. Cabela’s is shit."

                      Silly me for attempting to have a conversation with an asshole.

                    2. 5.56   3 years ago

                      Have fun with your irrelevant, inert moral superiority and your ideologically clean voting conscience. That kind of thinking is currently kicking Germanys ass royally btw. The news are delicious.

                    3. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Ohhhhh, you're angry because I don't vote, and not voting is the same as supporting the hard left. You're one of them. Got it.

                    4. 5.56   3 years ago

                      I think authoritarian force is coming very, very fast and there will be nothing as irrelevant as libertarians.

                  2. 5.56   3 years ago

                    “I bought a rifle after the assault weapons ban was passed in the house and had a delay much longer than all my other ones, so I don’t know what you’re talking about with your 20 minutes Glock purchase. My case is a sample size one like yours, but mine certainly invalidates yours because I dont get probs and stats 101. So I don’t know what you’re talking about.”

                    Sound sound to you?

                    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                      Yeah. I made the mistake of making a comment to someone who would rather be a dickhead than clarify in a civilized manner. Silly me.

              3. mad.casual   3 years ago

                And, to my point below about who Visa/MC's customers are, most gun shops I know will pass the CC processing fees on to the customer anyway, either by itemizing at purchase or offering cash-only discounts up front.

        2. RedPilledConservative   3 years ago

          I suspect the CC companies get details about the specific items purchased already - I regularly receive invitations from the CC companies to buy extended warranties for items I've recently purchased.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Congressidiots are no more knowledgeable about credit card processing than they are about firearms. There is no real guaranteed way for Visa to track firearms (or other) purchases. The information processing requirements and industry shift are too immense.

      The specific code this is adding values to is a merchant category code (MCC). There are around a thousand of them and Visa/MC, in no way, verifies these. Even for codes that require special handling (e.g. Hotels, Bars, Corporate credit cards) Visa/MC doesn't specifically verify the code with the business model. It merely regulates payments in accordance with the code (such as, mostly, prohibiting corporate cards for paying for prostitutes). Despite others' statements, merchants are not Visa's customers, cardholders are. The merchants are various banks', idependent sales organizations', and processors' customers and they are arguably responsible for ensuring proper MCC code information though the issue doesn't normally arise that the information has to be verified.

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      Fuck!

      *Finishes coffee*

      What this is is Operation Chokepoint The Third: Rise of Biden. They don't give two shits about the individual gun buyers. They're going to use the Visa/MC information to make it harder for gun stores and websites to access banks.

      1. The Team Struggling   3 years ago

        Yep, and when consumers start paying in cash, suddenly we'll see so much attention paid to the large cash deposits that the retailers are beginning to make.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          The smaller local gun shops around me already offer cash-only discounts.

          What will be exceptionally funny is when the Democrats run all this down only to discover that COVID money = gun blood money.

  9. mad.casual   3 years ago

    "Mass shooters have repeatedly financed deadly massacres using credit cards, and Bank CEOs need to step up to save lives," huffed Warren.

    To save the most lives and money most immediately and efficiently, we should probably start with the largest massacres financed by debt and work down from there.

  10. Agammamon   3 years ago

    No one has financed a mass shooting with a credit card.

    No one who's on the track to becoming a mass shooter can get more that a couple though on a card - and they'll have maxed it almost instantly with camgirl.subscriptions.

    Debit card, maybe.

    In any case, how does so eone buying *one or two* guns make a mass shooter stand out from the tons of other people who also normally buy 1-2 guns at a time.

    Not even, well, they bought a couple thousand rounds of ammo works either - that's a pretty normal online ammo order. And mass shooters don't carry a thousand rounds anyway - shit's heavy.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      In any case, how does so eone buying *one or two* guns make a mass shooter stand out from the tons of other people who also normally buy 1-2 guns at a time.

      Not even, well, they bought a couple thousand rounds of ammo works either - that's a pretty normal online ammo order. And mass shooters don't carry a thousand rounds anyway - shit's heavy.

      See above. This isn't about the shooters. This is the continuation of Operation Chokepoint. They're going to make it harder for your gun stores and online retailers to access banking and credit systems.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

      If you buy a gun you are to be assumed a possible mass shooter until proven otherwise. Perhaps after they review your social media account and ask your neighbors.

  11. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

    Is anyone else tempted to go out, using their credit card, and purchase a couple of "assault rifles," a 9mm, and a couple of thousand rounds of ammo, just to fuck with the government?

    1. Ronbback   3 years ago

      where can you find a couple thousand rounds these days. I'm in Cali so few will sell more than a couple 50 round boxes

      1. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

        "where can you find a couple thousand rounds these days"

        True. Luckily I reload.

      2. wingnutx   3 years ago

        You can order a couple of cases online. Palmetto State Armory, AIM Surplus, etc...

        1. Livefree ordie   3 years ago

          SGAmmo, Bereli, southern munitions, etc etc etc
          Endless supply in Florida. Bereli is great. Shipped to my door in 2 days. Free shipping even. Shit is heavy.

      3. Agammamon   3 years ago

        Mostly anywhere outside of CA.

        Go to AZ or NV - we don't require permits for ammo and don't have to comply with CA regulations. No one will even ask to see your ID.

    2. Dillinger   3 years ago

      my thoughts, yes.

      1. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

        +

  12. mad.casual   3 years ago

    Repeating the point in a higher profile post:

    The new code is touted as an anti-crime measure, but its advocates don't specify how tagging all transactions by associated vendors will identify suspicious activity.

    This is a misconceptualization. The suspicious activity isn't purchasing a gun. The suspicious activity is selling someone a gun. This is Operation Chokepoint The Third: Rise of Biden. The point isn't to go after gun owners. The point is to (further) malign FFLs and make it more burdensome for them to access banks and credit.

    1. Hank Ferrous   3 years ago

      Strongly suspect that the intended targets are both FFL holders and the purchasers. The intent is to cause so much hassle and financial burden (via the not mentioned recent change in UPS policy) that costs rise. The anti-gun zealots are like the lightbringer and rak, they believe they are superior and anyone outside their circle is inferior.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Strongly suspect that the intended targets are both FFL holders and the purchasers.

        I don't disagree that the intent is to fuck with purchasers, but the action is completely invisible/irrelevant to purchasers as with Chokepoint and porn consumers vs. sellers. Visa/MC isn't really capable of declining a transaction based on *what* you buy in real time (see Gov't contractors using corporate cards to pay for hookers) now or in the foreseeable future.

        1. MatthewSlyfield   3 years ago

          "Visa/MC isn't really capable of declining a transaction based on *what* you buy in real time (see Gov't contractors using corporate cards to pay for hookers) now or in the foreseeable future."

          Visa/MC doesn't even control transaction authorization. That is controlled by the bank that issued the card to the customer. If you have a Chase Visa/MC credit card, it's Chase that either authorizes or declines the transaction.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            Slight disagreement. I could be mistaken, but the card issuer is the only one that can decline based on CVV/AVS, but generally, yeah, the bank or processor is generally the one who issues the, "This card can't be used to buy $1 worth of gas in a state the cardholder doesn't live in." declines.

  13. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>Mass shooters have repeatedly financed deadly massacres using credit cards

    seems like the lies of a lunatic.

  14. Dillinger   3 years ago

    one of the credit card companies should turn the other way & offer cash back on gun & ammo purchases

    1. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

      ++ Now there is a cool marketing strategy!

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      You say that like you can't already get miles or cash back for gun and ammo purchases. Again, card companies don't specifically know what you've purchased, just the business type (maybe) where you purchased from.

  15. Agammamon   3 years ago

    So . . . what if a gun store starts to sell tents and then identifies as an 'outdoor sports' store?

    1. Agammamon   3 years ago

      I'm pretty sure Visa can't afford to send someone down to audit sales.

      1. Moonrocks   3 years ago

        How long before that becomes a crime and the federal government sends agents to audit sales for Visa?

        1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

          Why wait for it to become a specific crime?
          A certain federal agency with access to everyone's financial data is going to have 87,000 new (armed?) agents.

          (for the record, the US troops sent ashore at Normandy numbered 73,000)

      2. Jefferson's Ghost   3 years ago

        Yep. The two largest (by far) retail firearms stores here are a farm supply outlet and general merchandise store (I can get my beer, granola bars, and guns with one stop). Very cool.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      That's kinda (from their perspective) the idea. Make your local gun store carry both the fiscal and social overhead of selling soccer cleats, yoga pants, and swim goggles next to the gun section and the let the problem solve itself. See Galyans, Dick's, and Wal-Mart.

      Who cares if little Timmy is more likely to be injured playing soccer or die with his swim goggles on, they can't abrogate the 2A but they can use the Commerce Clause shepherd's hook to herd yoga pants Karen wherever she needs to go and, like a good sheep, she's got nothing better to do.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Sorry, slow with the link, *ahem* she's got nothing better to do.

      2. Longtobefree   3 years ago

        Get with the times.
        Dick's stopped selling guns a long time ago.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          I figured the reference to Galyans selling guns carbon dated me.

        2. Carter Mitchell   3 years ago

          When that story broke, I canceled my Dick's credit card and haven't shopped there since.

  16. Enemy of the State   3 years ago

    The state deputized the private sector back in the 40s to do its job collecting income taxes.....

  17. Carter Mitchell   3 years ago

    Easy solution: don't purchase your guns with a credit card. Pay cash.

  18. damikesc   3 years ago

    Weird how when Progressives do wrong, it is a problem of "politicians" while conservative problems are the fault of specifically "Republicans".

    1. markm23   3 years ago

      The mass media have been doing this for decades. If a news story says a politician has been charged with a crime and it doesn't say which party, it's not an independent, or a Libertarian, or a Republican. It's a Democrat, unless the news extended the same courtesy to a Green Party politician - but has anyone since Nader ever done well enough under the Green Party label to be accounted a politician?

  19. JohannesDinkle   3 years ago

    There is a push to eliminate cash, which is the exchange medium that bypasses all this attempt to shut down or at least control gun sales. Don't let the government eliminate paper money.

  20. mad.casual   3 years ago

    which is the exchange medium that bypasses all this

    It is the predominant exchange medium that bypasses all of this, but not the only exchange medium. Or, maybe even more accurately, the only required medium to your average exchange is air.

  21. Carey Allison   3 years ago

    Control - CONTROL - is the reason behind the pretty, convenient facade of CBDC's. Once the government has the digital currency in place it will move, probably slowly and progressively (unless there's a crisis it would be a shame to waste) to make use of cash more inconvenient, restrict the easy access to cash, pass troublesome tax laws for using cash, and eventually make cash illegal.
    Then, you WILL take the damn shot when you're told, or no digidollars will be available to you for gasoline, food, rent, medicine, automobiles, or hookers. Firearms and ammunition purchases will routinely be denied. So roll up your sleeve, serf! You must do this for the good of your neighbor.
    A dismayingly large number of people can be persuaded to like digidollars (those who already use their credit or debit cards for routing purchases) and a frighteningly large number of people would welcome the degree of control that could thereby be exercised over MAGA types and deplorables. These control-loving useful idiots would likely also welcome "social credit scores" and like to see them used to control your access to your digidollars, just to help "guide you" into making better decisions.
    And if we fall for this, not individuals but as a nation, we will deserve every bit of what we're going to get.

  22. Duke of URL   3 years ago

    Cash = Liberty

  23. TrickyVic (old school)   3 years ago

    ""and a frighteningly large number of people would welcome the degree of control that could thereby be exercised over MAGA types and deplorables""

    Fascism always makes a certain amount of the population deplorable, and then goes after them. Anyone who supports this supports fascism, doesn't matter if you call yourself anti-fascist.

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