California Wants Everybody To Buy an Electric Car, but Its Own Energy Grid Can't Support It
Amid a heat wave, warnings were sent out not to recharge electric vehicles during peak hours.

A massive heatwave has come to California, so citizens of the Golden State may be enduring triple-digit temperatures for a week. The pressure the heat will throw onto the state's power grid has prompted an emergency call for citizens to reduce electricity use during peak early evening hours. Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom has declared a state of emergency that temporarily eases some state regulations limiting operations of thermal power plants and portable generators.
Part of this call for citizens to reduce electricity consumption from 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. also includes a request that citizens "avoid charging electric vehicles while the Flex Alert is in effect." This request comes only a week after California leaders moved forward with a plan to ban most gasoline-powered vehicle sales in the state (with an exception for hybrid vehicles) by 2035.
Though it is true that such a ban will reduce emissions, switching to electric vehicles will over time dramatically increase the strain on California's power grid. If everybody in California went out and bought electric vehicles tomorrow, it would probably be an energy disaster.
That's probably not going to happen for a few reasons. California solely plans to ban sales, not all operation of gasoline-powered cars. Millions of Californians won't and probably can't afford to transition to electric vehicles within the next 13 years. Though California has the most electric vehicles registered of any state (550,000), that's out of more than 14 million total vehicles, so still a drop in the bucket.
In that sense, the slow-but-steady adoption of electric vehicles should give the state the opportunity to actually plan for an increase in energy demand. On Wednesday, lawmakers voted to keep the nuclear power plant, Diablo Canyon, open until at least 2030. It had been scheduled to be decommissioned by 2025.
A 2017 report from the California Energy Commission which forecasted energy demand until 2030 did so by assuming an increase in adoption of electric vehicles in the state. Their highest estimate assumes 3.9 million of these vehicles on the road in California by 2030. The increase in electricity demand would thus be significant, jumping from less than 1,000 gigawatt hours in 2017 to about 16,000 by 2030. California consumes about 260 terawatt hours of electricity annually, according to U.S. Department of Energy statistics. It would be an increase in energy demand of around 6 percent per year by 2030.
A single nuclear plant could handle a good chunk of this new demand, but the amount of energy generated would still be far less than needed to achieve California's long-term goal of getting rid of gas-powered vehicles entirely and switching to electric.
The government shouldn't be forcing people to purchase—or abstain from purchasing—certain types of vehicles in the first place. But beyond that, signaling to the public that the electricity grid is being overtaxed during the summer does not instill residents with confidence that California is prepared for the transition it's trying to mandate.
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Gee, I have been asking about that for a while now.
Funny how rando on Reason sees issues long before super-smart enviro folks do.
Perhaps you can share your crystal ball powers with the rest of us.
No crystal ball needed. California has always been energy stupid. Relying on the coal grid to power all the "green" cars was shortsighted, but still par for the course.
At least that can work. Powering them by unicorn farts and fairy dust like they are planning never will.
No, you don't understand. The plan has never been to have the entire current gas car fleet replaced with electric cars. The plan is for most people to be left with no personal vehicle.
HiGh SpEeD TrAiNs
Which will totally never be shut down or "delayed" if people want to travel in ways that contradict the wisdom of the elite.
CA state government routinely lies about two major points:
1. CA’s energy shortfalls all due to “climate change” (they’re not, they are due to the massive amount of coastal power plants the CA Coastal Commission shuttered over the past few years).
2. Diablo was “scheduled” to shutdown in 2025. Diablo was designed to operate far beyond that date. Indeed, they were obtaining NRC licenses to operate another 20 years when the Fukushima disaster occurred. PG&E agreed with the state to shutdown early in 2025, in no small part due to CA’s insistence on extensive seismic studies that the Coastal Commission would never allow.
It should be no surprise that CA is lying about “electric cars for all”, or at least not disclosing their true plan. For most of us, that’ll be taking the eBus.
God forbid they should improve their grid. But democrats are always working hard to create scarcity.
Though it is true that such a ban will reduce emissions, switching to electric vehicles will over time dramatically increase the strain on California's power grid.
Yeah, and this tidbit here is just outright retardation. So it will reduce emissions by...burning more coal? As far as I know, moving a car still requires energy and that energy has to come from somewhere.
If you ban gasoline engines, all you've done is move the emissions from the vehicle itself to the place where the energy is generated. Since California is outright hostile to the notion of nuclear unless their ass is against a wall, we'll see how that goes.
But nuclear plants are icky. And dams just hold back the rivers that want to flow freely to the sea. Full of water that it would too cruel to desalinate.
Arrogant hubris comes before the fall. CA never lets reality get in the way of a spastic-left agenda.
Everyone is aware of this already. It's being reported because the governor is calling the heat wave a state wide emergency.
California Wants Everybody To Buy an Electric Car, but Its Own Energy Grid Can't Support It
No shit? How utterly unexpected! Next you'll be telling me that building more solar and wind farms ain't gonna solve the problem because California hasn't built enough warehouses where they can store the excess electricity produced on sunny and windy days for the eventuality that the sun may stop shining or the wind might stop blowing.
And on the eventuality of the sun stopping shining, that's a pretty reliable event...nightly. Unless you've got an 12Kw string of unused solar panels on the roof, they aren't going to charge your car anyways. Not even close.
Easy answer. Just ban air conditioning and car charging after dark.
They're already nagging us to "Keep California Golden" by using less electricity between 4 and 9 PM, when "wind and solar are less available", even though that's when it gets windy here. How long until the "smart" thermostats and car chargers and electric meters just automatically crank you down to 75 or 50 percent?
Why does this keep coming up? Like wtf is up with the troglodyte Margery Taylor whatever not knowing about batteries? The solution is batteries. THEY STORE THE ENERGY FROM YOUR PANELS. People who live off the grid right now charge their shit at night with batteries- yes, even cars. When you aren’t paying a gd utility, they’re affordable, and the technology is always improving.
Ah, I think China can send CA a couple container ships of spare electricity since they are ramping up for even more coal burning power plants.
But they will still sit off Long Beach harbor for 4 weeks, because there's no place to put the empty containers.
Fine, maybe California has some quirks. But it still serves as the model for what the Koch / Reason open borders agenda will do to the entire country once we've imported enough Democratic voters to put all 50 states under permanent single-party control.
#OpenBordersWillFixEverything
And like American Socia1ist says, it's worth living in a state where you have to evade homeless people's shit on the streets — because the $1,000-per-plate restaurants are JUST SO GOOOOOOOD!
I hope to be an elite and enjoy the perks one day.
I've done the 1000 dollar a plate thing, it's whatever. The best part is knowing you can do it, not the actual food. Once you get over that you just go to an actual good restaurant and save the cash.
"Quirks" being a euphemism for "raging incompetence".
Do these electricity usage estimates take into account the increase in the rate of residents fleeing to other states as these types of policies begin to kick in?
Well I can't move out (unless you got a good job for me), but this new notice not to charge your electric cars has convinced me that my next car is going to be gasoline.
What field do you work in? I can give you a referral if you work in tech.
Do you really want to work with him?
Martial law from imposed by a conservative president would end up with more net freedom and prosperity than what you have now.
Executive orders are not a threat to democracy.
A populist politician giving a majority of voters what they want is the real threat to democracy.
California wants gearheads to leave the state.
They just want state slaves.
Is the situation described in this article................rationing?
And enter the law of unintended consequences. Any rational person could've told Newsom and CARB that this is a stupid idea and would overtax the already fragile California electrical grid, but no, they need to virtual signal and follow the climate change fear monger cult. What's next, vats of Flavor Aid?
They just figure someone somewhere will build the stuff they need somehow by the time they need it. All they have to do is put it in a law.
“So Let It Be Written, So Let It Be Done”
It would be a lot harder to take Ayn Rand's books seriously if leftists weren't so determined to emulate the villains she produced.
Let's talk about your use of "unintended consequences."
What's next, vats of Flavor Aid?
From your lips to God's ears. That would solve probably 50% of the problems this country has right now.
In related news, the sixth leading cause of death in Canada is euthanasia.
Massive heat wave? I thought California had the greatest weather in the country.
Only in a few locations: coastal San Diego, coastal LA, San Fran. Anywhere else is subject to very high heat and dry weather in the summer. Bakersfield, for example, routinely sees 100-110F in the summer months.
Massive heat wave?
In the SF Bay Area it's been an unusually mild summer (again). This "massive heat wave" has pushed temperatures in my area into the low 80s, which is entirely normal for this time of year.
I'm also seeing the "triple-digit heat" in the San Fernando Valley right now being called a "massive heat wave" when triple-digit heat there in early September is bog standard, actually.
But heat is always a crisis these days.
Same with Seattle. The Seattle Times went batshit crazy talking about Seattle's record heat, and yet, except for a day or two, we've had a generally mild summer-- a summer that didn't even really get started until almost August.
Spokane was pretty mild until July. Even since then it hasn’t been miserable. Next week it’s supposed to drop j to the mid 70’s
Extreme heat wave here in Las Vegas for the past and next week. Turn your air up to 82 degrees when you're home during the day so you can help NVEnergy conserve power for...wow! 105 degree days! What do you call 115 degree days???
When I lived in Phoenix over 20 years ago, it typically didn't drop below 100 until around mid-October. I seriously have no fucking clue how people survived in that heat before A/C was invented, especially during the decades when wearing a suit everywhere was the norm.
Yeah, this year has been much cooler than last year in California. But when it hits 95 on Labor Day we'll be told that climate change is making the Earth unlivable again.
The Shake 'n Bake state.
Newsom mandates electric cars, but doesn't consider the impact on the power grid.
Who does he think he is? The Science?
Is his last name secretly "Fauci"?
He's not even going to be governor and will likely be living in some mansion in Aspen by 2035, why should he give a fuck.
No problem. When the time comes, all electric cars will be required to be no larger and compatible with e.g. a Razor EcoSmart Metro and SUP Electric Scooter, which comes with comfy seat and rear basket and retails for about $500 on Amazon. Users normal house current and a 'laptop' like charger.
Scooters for everyone.
Are the smart meters charging more money during those hours yet? If not - fuck you I'm charging.
Rate ratcheting is for small time tyrants. The real ones will go to full on rationing, taking you off the grid when you exceed your quota.
They may even be able to siphon the power out of your battery if you have it plugged in.
I am pro-nuclear, but the diablo nukular plant is too close the some minor fault lines. Not actually San Andreas which is a few miles east, but still right on the network of faults that come off of it. Doesn't mean it's not safe, I mean it's not Fukashima. But California should have built some nuclear plants much further to the east. Like Wasco or Bakersfield.
And actually still do. One nuclear plant is not enough for the state. Let's stop setting up "temporary" coal plants and get serious about carbon free energy. And carbon free means nuclear.
It's pretty apparent by now that "carbon free" means anything that enriches the cronies and donor class. If this were about the environment, there would be a way more serious approach. That, or all of the politicians making the push are just stupid.
Like Wasco or Bakersfield
Wasco and Bakersfield are actually in direct proximity with the San Andreas fault. And Bakersfield is one of the most high risk earthquake states in CA. But there are many viable, studied sites avail for a nuke in CA.
I agree that CA needs more nukes (not just for carbon goals, but to keep the fucking lights on in the state). But what private company would risk the capital in building one? In a state that’ll try to shut the plant down as soon as the weather is mild?
And don’t even think that the CA state government could build a nuke. Unless you feel Atlas Shrugged had a happy ending.
Or tidal powered. Put them right next to the desalination plants and solve two problems at once. They've had 50 years to do it.
This is the most California thing I have seen recently. Doesn't matter that people won't be able to afford it. Doesn't matter that the actual power grid can't support it. Damn it, we are going to do it anyway.
Makes total sense. Typical go from A to Z without any letters in the middle.
A one party state where the one party are virtue signaling activists.
Is banning ICE cars even constitutional?
Since when that’s that been a problem?
It's as constitutional as demanding they get a certain mileage rating.
California Wants Everybody To Buy an Electric Car, but Its Own Energy Grid Can't Support It
I'm increasingly coming to the conclusion that this is actually the point.
But beyond that, signaling to the public that the electricity grid is being overtaxed during the summer does not instill residents with confidence that California is prepared for the transition it's trying to mandate.
It gives me confidence that California politicians know exactly what they're doing, and as such, they'll be able to turn off car travel by a massive state-owned "off" switch. Can you think of anything more progressive?
I bet at least some California leaders, and bien-pensants, also assume that their "need" will justify (and physically enable) delivery of power from other states.
Look, progressives don't do math, either in quantitative form or in conceptual relations between sacred values. Just like they cannot see a connection between wages and prices, they are equally mystified by the relations of power generating and distribution capacity and power needs for pet toys like EVs and trains. All of these values, and others, are isolated parameters that can be directly controlled by wishing (i.e. official government policy).
A better mandate would be that all electric car charging stations be run by stand alone windmills or solar farms. No connecting to the public grid at all.
I mean, walk the walk, so to speak.
What CA should do is build wind and solar farms where all the crops farms currently are. They'll generate more electricity and reduce water use at the same time. And if a few million Californians starve as a result, so much the better.
The rest of the country would starve too. Or at least do without almonds.
And don't forget that new homes can't have gas appliances either. So when you're stuck at home in the dark with a car that's need charging to go anywhere, you won't be able to cook or heat your house either. Maybe you can go outside and marvel at the stars. It will be like Earth Day, every day.
you won't be able to cook
110 degrees outside, cook on the sidewalk.
I love how you spend your time dunking on sad woke California.
If things are so bad there, can you explain with it has the first total GDP, and fifth GDP per head of all the US States?
It’s a bit like if Elon Musk served supper at a homeless shelter. On average everyone in the room would be a billionaire. CA has a successful Silicon Valley and Hollywood that pull up the averages, but it is a big state, much of it is a pretty hardscrabble place, and per the Census Dept has he highest poverty rate in the country when adjusted for living costs.
And the scarce human resources of Nazi-Regime's start to manifest themselves. And to think once upon a time the USA was one of the richest nations in the world with a bountiful supply of resources.
Nothing KILLS a society like Nazism (National Socialism).
Simultaneously they had to reverse their decision to close a nuclear plant. Maybe they are learning that electricity doesn't just magically appear out of that funny shaped hole in the wall.
+10000000.. Well said...
"funny shaped hole in the wall" isn't the only fantasy-land source of energy as well demonstrated in the commentary... I guess batteries and grids make energy too.. 🙂
This is actually Green-Energies 'unicorn' of dis-association with having an actual identified *source* of energy... As well as coming to grips with the net-quantity that *source* of energy is capable of producing.
Solar for example.. A diesel truck engine runs upward of 550HP. 550HP is mathematically the same as 404.5KW. Solar getting 80% label on the sunniest day ever would require 505KW of labelled panels. Or with 100W panels it would require 505,000 PANELS!!!! to produce the KW needed to match the energy in diesel. Every Truck requires 505,000 panels? Where are those panels going to be located? How much does 505,000 panels really cost without ARMED theft? Where's the energy going to come from after dark?
And the EV-Unicorn starts to drowned.
Excuse me 5,050 - 100W panels on the sunniest day ever.
There might come a day when solar reaches do-able levels that day isn't now.
...And here's the worst theory ever....
Gov-Guns aren't going to change that. No matter how many people they get poked at or lives they destroy trying to change that.
Of course, as CA bans gas cars there will remain some on the road, and diesel will probably always be available as there will continue to be trucks. Labor Day is always hot, even near the usually balmy coast. Look on the bright side. If you can’t charge your EV when it’s hot, Labor Day getaways might be a little less crowded with a gas vehicle. All them tech bros unable to make it to Burning Man, and lots of uncrowded Sierra lakes.
This is very common, particularly in politics. Politician makes a pronouncement made to illustrate a goal, but has no plan or idea whether it is feasible or possible. It's done to make them look strong but if you think about it, it really just makes them look stupid... because they have no plan. It's like green energy, yeah it's a great goal but no one has a feasible plan nor has the technology even been invented. They somehow think you can move from start to the finish in one step which is almost always not feasible, never even considering that there may have to be one or more steps in between. Big goals take a lot of time, especially when you're stupid.
They somehow think you can move from start to the finish in one step which is almost always not feasible, never even considering that there may have to be one or more steps in between.
These people look at monumental achievements like Hoover Dam,
the LA aqueduct, the NYC subways, or the highway system, and they just can't intellectually process how much hard work was involved to get them all done, both on the labor and the administrative side. They watch the documentaries on these things and see a bunch of people working on the project, and it's done in the hour or two hours that the documentary lasts. It fools them in to thinking that any type of complex, expensive project is going to be a piece of cake because they honestly believe that infrastructure development should scale like computer memory does.
Really folks, does it get any better than this? The Governor tells everyone they're going to have to buy electric cars while at the same time declaring a state of emergency asking them not to plug in their electric cars.
I swear, you can't make this stuff up!
Yes, millions more EVs, and the grid can't handle the ones that exist now.
The conflict does not actually exist.
Yes, they want you to buy an electric car. They really, really want you to support the purchase and installation of vast numbers of charging stations as well.
The people who profit from the sales of the cars and the chargers do not care whether you get where you want to go.
Before the election, I read a series of articles that noted that many Biden officials and donors had large investments in companies that plan to manufacture and install EV chargers.
Well, they are certainly pushing hard to build chargers, but I have not heard much about plans to vastly expand the electric grid to support them.
Energy comes from the "grid"... Ya know like how gas comes from trucks on freeways... 🙂
Apparently China is leading the USA on the next generation all-electrics. China supposedly has already developed battery-swapping stations.
Instead of charging a single battery, it takes about 5 minutes to drive through a swapping station. This system might reduce the sticker price of these cars.
The only problem with too many all-electrics now is worldwide millions of autoworkers, mechanics and support industries will lose jobs.
Maybe an intermediate step is “Plug-In/Natural Gas” vehicles which could actually create more jobs for the existing auto industry, in addition to all-electric autos. This saves many existing jobs.
No, no, no.. Energy doesn't come from outlets anymore. They come from batteries! 🙂
And, if one wants to play the "Being an Analite" card, our "fossil fuel infrastructure" also cannot handle every car being filled at the same time - So your point is supposed to be what again?
I mean other than giving material aid and comfort to the terrorists conspiring to commit mass murder on a global scale with AGW.
California can always expand it grid and generation capacity, we cannot build another Earth.
[WE] OCD mobsters packing Gov-Guns will save us all!!!! /s
How are those 'Guns' going to 'save' anyone? Are GUNS known to save people when used to dictate and steal?
Did you honestly just compare fueling time to energy capacity?? Anything you want to believe just so long as you don't have to use GUNS (i.e. Gov-Guns) against other people.
Years ago Honda Motors was advertising a prototype for a “solar sun roof” on some of it’s cars. Not sure if they ever sold any but Honda has a patent to do this.
The logic was that while your car is parked all day, during workdays, the solar roof would refresh the car’s battery.
There is existing technology already out there to reduce stress on the power grid.