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Podcasting Conference Apologizes for the 'Harm' Done by Ben Shapiro's Presence

"PM has made mistakes," tweeted Podcast Movement. "The pain caused by this one will always stick with us."

Robby Soave | 8.25.2022 5:20 PM

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Podcast Movement is very sorry that some attendees had to see Ben Shapiro. (Michael Brochstein/Sipa USA/Newscom)

Podcast Movement is an annual conference for podcasters and other content creators. Its summer 2022 meeting took place this week in Dallas, Texas.

Among the myriad attendees was conservative pundit Ben Shapiro. He visited the conference's expo center, where The Daily Wire—the conservative news site Shapiro co-founded—had a booth. He took some pictures with various people, and that was it.

For this, Podcast Movement is extremely sorry.

"Hi folks, we owe you an apology before sessions kick off for the day," read a tweet from the conference's Twitter account. "Yesterday afternoon, Ben Shapiro briefly visited the PM22 expo area near The Daily Wire booth. Though he was not registered or expected, we take full responsibility for the harm done by his presence."

Podcast Movement did not clarify what the harm was; the person behind the account evidently did not think it was necessary to even explain why Shapiro's presence is such a weighty betrayal of decorum. In subsequent tweets, the conference referred to the "painfully clear" weight of its decision to let The Daily Wire participate and lamented that it had betrayed the trust of attendees.

"Those of you who called this 'unacceptable' are right," tweeted the account. "In 9 wonderful years growing and celebrating this medium, PM has made mistakes. The pain caused by this one will always stick with us."

https://twitter.com/PodcastMovement/status/1562765182023000065

The Twitter thread concludes with a note that neither Shapiro nor anyone else from The Daily Wire spoke at events during Podcast Movement and an invitation for attendees to ask any questions they might have. "We're here to talk."

I have a question: What was wrong with Shapiro being there? Podcast Movement is making it sound like there was some kind of violent incident or a visitation by a truly dangerous person. The conference did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Shapiro, on the other hand, got back to me quickly.

"I was in the room and standing there breathing oxygen," he writes. "That is the entire story. There was no confrontation. No one spoke to me about anything political. Some people asked for pictures and I obliged. That's literally it."

Reading through the lines, it sounds like someone was upset to see Shapiro at the event and complained. Podcast Movement is a private conference, of course, and can include or not include whatever individuals and organizations it wants to. But we are getting into pretty crazy territory if the mere presence of a mainstream conservative podcaster at a large podcasting convention triggers apoplexy among some progressives.

I'd bet that very few people were actually upset about Shapiro's presence; Podcast Movement's organizers might want to think harder about whether they want to extend veto power to them.

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  1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

    Shapiro said that if you're walking around flashing your wallet in a shitty neighborhood and get robbed, while the robber is the one in the wrong, you still put yourself into the situation. Two things can be true at the same time.
    Yet applying the same logic to Saint Babbitt is heresy of the highest degree.

    Therefore conservatives have a duty to hate Shapiro.

    1. mad.casual   3 years ago

      "If you pull out your wallet and a cop shoots you, it's as much your fault as it is the cop's." - sarcasmic

      1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

        Right. Because Saint Babbitt was walking around in a bad neighborhood and waving around her wallet before being shot by a malicious cop for no reason at all. You're so astute.

        1. mad.casual   3 years ago

          Are you asserting that I, I and Shapiro, or I, Shapiro and 'conservatives' are the only ones espousing false conflations or disingenuous representations here?

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Shapiro says that people can put themselves into bad situations, and for that they should bear some responsibility.
            He contrasts that with "victim blaming" which says the victim of the mugging, rape, or murder bears any responsibility at all whatsoever none not a bit zippo.
            Saint Babbitt, according to conservative lore, was shot for no reason at all by a malicious cop.
            Following Shapiro's logic she put herself into a situation.

            So you have a choice. Fuck Shapiro, or admit that Saint Babbitt fucked up.

            You can't do both.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              any no dang edit fail

            2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              You can't do both.

              Well, you can. It's called doublethink. People do it all the time.

              1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

                YOU do it all the time, retard.

              2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                I have never met anyone who lacks self awareness at the level you do, sarcasmic.

              3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                You are a vile person.

                Babbitt was climbing through a window, unarmed with her hands in plain view when she was shot in the throat by a police officer to whom she she offered no clear and present danger. How exactly was she supposed to anticipate that reaction with a few hundred witnesses including at least 3 other police officers with rifles standing within earshot.

                The officers standing over her while she bled out were calling out, "active shooter," over the radio because they couldn't anticipate another cop could have done it. It is all memorialized on video for everyone to see.

                The doublethink is all yours. You hate cops and celebrate the one that shot Babbitt.

                1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                  Sarc doesn't give a fuck about the truth or liberty. Who cares he could watch the video and see 3 cops on her side not alarmed at all. He needs his attaboys from Jeff and Mike.

                2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  You hate cops and celebrate the one that shot Babbitt.

                  I can't tell if you're stupid or dishonest. Probably both. I never celebrated anything. All I've said is that you don't wave your wallet around at night, and you don't do what Saint Babbitt did. Doesn't make what other people do right. Just means that poor judgement can lead to bad outcomes.

                  1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

                    Stupid and dishonest describes you perfectly, dummy

                  2. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

                    Stupid and dishonest describes you perfectly, you creep.

                  3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    We've got bigger liars here but they're smarter than you, so when it comes to being both stupid and dishonest, sarcasmic, you're the acme.

              4. mad.casual   3 years ago

                Well, you can. It's called doublethink. People do it all the time.

                On these forums even! Matter of fact, one in particular even routinely says things like 'fuck all cops, every last one of them' and then turns around and appeals to Shapiro in defense of Babbitt's shooting.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  There you go with "defense." That's like saying I'm defending a rapist when I say she shouldn't have put herself into the situation.

                  You are doing exactly what Shapiro is pointing out.

                  Exactly.

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    No, he isn't. Who the hell do you think you're tricking, trollboy?

                  2. Azathoth!!   3 years ago

                    There you go with "defense." That's like saying I'm defending a rapist when I say she shouldn't have put herself into the situation.

                    What 'situation' do you think she put herself in?

                    Over the course of the previous administration we have seen protests with ever escalating levels of violence, destruction and arson. At no point in any of these --including situations where police stations, courthouses and politicians homes were set on fire have the piolice taken such action. In fact,i n several instances, they had been famously told to stand down.

                    Previous violent protests in DC, including arson, occupying federal property and breaking and entering have also not been met with police action.

                    So Babbit had inactive police at protests for the last 5 years or so. That was her experience

                    Breaking windows and passing through them, in her experience, was a way to get consumer goods without paying for them. Nothing more. And police often just stand by and watch.

                    So what 'situation' do you think she was in? Why did this one cop decide to viciously murder this innocent peaceful protester?

                  3. Ted   3 years ago

                    This isn’t about Ashli Babbit. It’s about Trump. Everything for you is about Trump and booze. These two things, often in tandem, have consumed whatever pathetic life you ever had.

                2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  My point is that in this situation it's entirely possible that two people were wrong.

                  Ever thunk that?

                  Nope. One is right and the other is wrong because Trump and glorious parades and flag waving. It never once crossed your mind that both people fucked up.

                  1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

                    Just kill yourself

                  2. mad.casual   3 years ago

                    My point is that in this situation it's entirely possible that two people were wrong.

                    Ever thunk that?

                    Yup. I've also thought that equating random criminal rape or murder with trespass or rape or murder under the color of law is wrong. How about yourself?

                    Do you think saying "no homo" works when you try to totally-not suck off both Shapiro and Byrd at the same time?

            3. Old Engineer   3 years ago

              You can't reasonably compare a person knowingly entering a facility with armed guards with a person knowingly entering a facility with people with whom you disagree.

              Violent opposition is not commensurate with verbal opposition. A bullet through the neck is not comparable to being called mean names.

              1. mad.casual   3 years ago

                The doublethink and conflation is more nuanced than that. Sarc routinely reminds us all about how every last law enforcement officer is a gun-toting murderous hellhound with a badge and then cites Shapiro's logic in defense of Babbitt's shooting.

                1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                  Do you need a match to set that strawman on fire?

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    That wasn't a strawman you ignorant fuck. That's literally what you said.

                2. Old Engineer   3 years ago

                  Shapiro's defense is that of someone who has never been in a street fight and therefore, is probably prone to overestimate a physical threat. Babbitt's coming through a window should have been recognized as someone who is off balance and could easily be pushed back through the window. I'm not blaming the cop, who hearing a screaming mob and seeing two of his comrades leave the area, might also have overestimated the threat. The difference is that the cop had seconds to decide to shoot, while Shapiro had days to evaluate the threat.

                  Saying that the cop showed poor judgment is reasonable, saying that he is a murdering brute is something else. Saying that he was perfectly justified is also in the "something else" category.

                  1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                    The cop has a history of being a shitty cop including leaving gun unattended in a bathroom. He was incompetent.

                    1. Old Engineer   3 years ago

                      Poor judgment is completely compatible with incompetence. I was judging just his actions in this one instance and not letting myself get biased by his previous actions. Even if he had a superb past as cop, he showed poor judgment here. I'd go after his superiors for not disciplining him for his previous actions. However, that is separate from his shooting of Babbitt.

                    2. JesseAz   3 years ago

                      The government lionized the guy. They will never discipline him.

                  2. mad.casual   3 years ago

                    Saying that he was perfectly justified is also in the "something else" category.

                    For some of us, the issue, Byrd or otherwise, has never been that they made a good or bad decision in the moment. But that the system that's supposed to correct for such aberrations in the general populace is specifically obviated for the people who are supposed to be held, and hold themselves, to a higher standard.

                    Even further, some of us who freely recognize that some situations have no good outcomes could even point to numerous examples of how it's not just obviated, but specifically broken to make some 'best of a bad situation' or even prima facia cases of self-defense look like crimes while making actual actionable prima facia crimes look less criminal than your average industrial accident... or even a traffic violation.

            4. NOYB2   3 years ago

              Shapiro says that people can put themselves into bad situations, and for that they should bear some responsibility.

              And Babbitt should have been charged with misdemeanor trespassing.

              There was no reason to kill her.

    2. Michael Ejercito   3 years ago

      Does the same logic apply to Garrett Foster?

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

        The guy that shot Foster was charged with murder and is still awaiting trial. The whole thing is a shit show and the police officer that investigated it accused the DA of withholding exculpatory evidence from the Grand Jury to get the charges. I live in Travis County and would love to sit on the jury.

        https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/daniel-perry-garrett-foster-court/269-1ac1b19c-82a0-4394-bb91-5891e8ee33da

        1. Michael Ejercito   3 years ago

          I brought up Garrett Foster because Reason was so quick to do a puff piece for him just the day after he was killed, before any details of the shooting came out.

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    3. Entelechy   3 years ago

      Ben who?

    4. BigT   3 years ago

      Racist, antisemitic, Nazi bigot.

    5. Ted   3 years ago

      Hitting the bottle early? As usual, you make some desperate argument based on tenuous logic that doesn’t really work. All because you hate Trump more than you could ever care about anything.

  2. mad.casual   3 years ago

    "The shame caused by allowing a Jew to speak freely will stick with us for some time." - Podcast Movement

    1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      Mizek's still terrified to go outside after witnessing this.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Also he was breathing oxygen but exhaling CO2 so another strike there

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Yeah, my mistake, he didn't actually speak at the conference. They're stuck with the shame of allowing a Jew out in public.

      2. CFred   3 years ago

        and CO2 is a greenhouse gas so he was also contributing to climate change

    3. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      The Jews lost their Marginalized Victims status centuries ago.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Nazis are still bad though, right?

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          I'm not sure. It seems we have to give them credit for hating Jews.

  3. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    > ...the harm done by his presence

    WTF? What harm? What damage and to whom?

    Now I loathe Shapiro as much as the next guy. The dude is a major douche, and not even a lemon scented douche. But his presence did not cause harm to anyone.

    Fucking fragile podcasters, grow a skin. Enough of this fragile feelz getting hurt bullshit.

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Really? I like Shapiro. He says things that people think but are afraid to say. We need more people like that.

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

        I like the guy because he's a throwback to the heyday of radio ad-men.

        1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          You're old.

          1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

            I identify as 28.

            1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

              I am not a number. I am a free man.

              1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

                Numbers are an oppresive social construct.

                1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

                  Freedom is an oppressive social construct.

                  1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

                    Freedom is slavery

                    1. Utkonos   3 years ago

                      1984 is a number. OPPRESSOR!!

              2. Dariush   3 years ago

                I’m not driving, I’m traveling.

          2. Ted   3 years ago

            You’re a broken alcoholic, obsessed with hating the best president we’ve had in decades. Drunkenly rooting against prosperity in favor of the currently growing dystopia.

            That’s you. You hate Trump more than you like freedom and prosperity.

    2. mad.casual   3 years ago

      The dude is a major douche, and not even a lemon scented douche. But his presence did not cause harm to anyone.

      Even at that, he's an unscented douche in an industry/medium of douches that reek like 3-day-old hot garbage for miles.

      1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

        He's an unscented douche in a pile of used colostomy and catheter bags .

    3. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      Now I loathe Shapiro as much as the next guy.

      Only if the next guy is a bedwetting prog.

      1. Ted   3 years ago

        I love Shapiro. If for no other reason than he brings such delicious agony to these commie shitbags, I only wish they would literally drop dead in his presence or at least be overpoweringly motivated to commit suicide.

    4. Joe M   3 years ago

      The harm from knowing he was there, committing wrongthink the whole time.

    5. Ted   3 years ago

      I love how much pain he brings leftist. Who deserve endless suffering for their villainy.

  4. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>we take full responsibility for the harm done by his presence

    so is the snowflake brigade holding PM to their "full responsibility" and burning it to the ground?

  5. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    "I was in the room and standing there breathing oxygen," he writes.

    That monster!!!

  6. A Cynical Asshole   3 years ago

    Reading through the lines, it sounds like someone was upset to see Shapiro at the event and complained.

    The proper response to which is: "Fuck off, snowflake."

    1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

      "Those of you who called this 'unacceptable' are right," tweeted the account. "In 9 wonderful years growing and celebrating this medium, PM has made mistakes. The pain caused by this one will always stick with us."

      How do any of these people make it through the week without collapsing into the fetal position? Their "mistake" was letting someone enter the building?

      1. Ted   3 years ago

        It would be good if they actually shriveled up amd died. The world would be a better place.

  7. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    But what did Ron DeSantis do today Robbie?

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      I haven't seen a Hawley gripe on Reason all week.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        Scary.

  8. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Words are harmful.

    1. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      But silence is violence.

    2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      Talking is cheap. People follow like sheep.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n03g8nsaBro

  9. Kevin Carson   3 years ago

    "Shapiro, on the other hand, got back to me quickly."
    Well of course he did. The most dangerous place on earth is between Robby Soave and a right-wing grifter presenting himself as "cancelled by the woke mob."

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      He didn't "present himself" as anything. PM posted the inane tweet and Robbie asked Shapiro to comment.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Hi Shrike. Stay salty you goosestepping shill.

    3. Sevo   3 years ago

      Fuck off and die, slaver

    4. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Fuck off you anti-semitic POS. Is that better or worse than being a leftist cunt these days?

      How dare someone be attacked and give a fairly neutral response to events. It's almost like you need for there to be some reason for them to have attacked a jew in this way to justify your delight in attacking a jew for it's own sake

  10. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    How is progressive any different from a religion, again?

    "We apologize for letting one of the 'unclean' enter the doors. We assure you we will tighten security next time and ensure that there are clear signs directing such people to use only the back entrance and a separate restroom."

  11. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

    Having caught Shapiro a handful of times (once on Bill Maher's show) I was surprised to find him to be a thoughtful and polite person.

    Surprised, because as anyone knows, most conservative pundits are vile POS types (Fat Rush, Breitbart, Hannity, Bill-O, the Beckerhead, etc).

    But the best at debate is Steve Bannon. Watch the 90 minute debate with the editor in chief of 'The Economist'. He is on point and debates with skill - unlike the CUT HIS MIKE liars in the list above.

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

      A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
      https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
      Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        More QAnon Trump trash, whatever your name is.

        Fuck off Tulpa

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
          Fuck off and die, asshole.

        2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Á àß äẞç's not Tulpa and he's been here longer than you.
          Now fuck off, Shrike.

        3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

          This is my second post filling in for Overt and Oh My What Fun! I'll have to do this more often.

        4. Dariush   3 years ago

          A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
          https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
          Don't respond to SPB, just shun him.

        5. Ted   3 years ago

          No, you pussy. Either address your pedophilia or GTFO. No one will ever let you out of this.

      2. mtrueman   3 years ago

        Here's a link to my favorite kiddy porn:
        http://library.lol/fiction/962306C9CAB3B99B3A839744AD99F9C3

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Pundits like Ezra Miller on the other hand.

  12. LauraZ 2   3 years ago

    They didn’t apologize for taking the Daily wire’s $10k for being a sponsors. These assholes giving a few people on twitter complete control. What a “movement” these progressives have going

  13. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

    I'm have a theory about how this scenario played out. The organizers of the conference sent out their invite to the Daily Wire people because they're grandfathered in, and they don't want to be obvious about their discrimination. The conference organizers probably admitted they were worried about what might happen if Shapiro was present and wanted assurances he wasn't going to be in the booth. Daily Wire agreed, but this got passed up to Ben, because of course it did, so he decided to make a public appearance just to bait them into an over the top reaction, knowing they wouldn't be able to help themselves.

    That's how I imagine this playing out, anyway, and why Shapiro was so quick and eager when asked to respond to the "incident."

    1. BYODB   3 years ago

      "Her skirt was so short that she was practically begging for it."

      If Shapiro wanted to be an agent provocateur, I think we all know he'd have done a lot more than take pictures with a few people. If his mere presence is all it takes now, he has become troll destroyer of minds.

      1. mad.casual   3 years ago

        Yeah.

        Accused rapist: Her skirt was so short that she was practically begging for it!
        Prosecutor: Sir, the victim, my client, was Ben Shapiro, and he was wearing a 3-piece suit.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      Yeah, kind of like Trump winning the election in 2016. He didn't really want to be there, but he knew his presence would cause everyone to lose their shit.

    3. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

      Of course this is how a left libertarian justifies attacking anyone on the right and making it their fault. How about PM are unprincipled whores and willingly took money from anyone who would pay them and after the check cleared ginned up an excuse to attack one of their sponsors for being "icky".

    4. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      How is showing up "baiting" unless your ideological opponents are deranged brownshirts?

      1. A Thinking Mind   3 years ago

        That was kind of the point….

  14. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    These are hard to get my blood up over. It's Ben Shapiro, what did we think was going to happen? The ones that are more interesting to me are the normies, or even left-leaning, non political types: scientists, epidemiologists, doctors, etc., who say something fucking flat factual and competent on twitter or youtube and suddenly the weight of the media and the tech companies are hammering them and their careers into red paste after a quiet phone call between Biden's office, Zuckerberg and Dorsey, explaining to them that if they don't kick these people off their platform, they'll never be invited to the white house and Zuckerberg's whistleblower-cum-lobbyists will never be welcome in DC again... while Libertarianism Plus shrugs and says "private companies can do whatever they want".

    Those are more interesting to me.

    1. Old Engineer   3 years ago

      I think that the "threat" to Zuckerberg et al, is that the government will NOT put heavy regulation costs on social media companies. While Facebook and Twitter can handle the expenses, the smaller companies can't. He censors for the government and the government kills his competitors.

      When Zuckerberg wakes up screaming in the middle of the night it isn't because he sees a regulator or a politician. He sees the face of the 23 year old kid who's smarter and hungrier than he is, and will do to him what he did to My Space.

      1. mtrueman   3 years ago

        The hungry 23 year old kid will almost certainly have less money than Zuckerberg. He could spare some $US20 billion to buy the whatsapp software.

      2. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

        the 23 year old kid who's smarter and hungrier than he is

        Doesn't even take that to end FB. Their users are getting older, kids aren't joining. FB is on a decline.

        -jcr

  15. Utkonos   3 years ago

    You know who else would have been quite triggered if someone named Shapiro showed up at one of his events?

    1. mtrueman   3 years ago

      Miss a dinner Miss Shapiro
      Shampoos pot-pot pinkies pampered
      Movement hampered like at Christmas
      Ha-ha isn't life a circus

      1. BigT   3 years ago

        That is more rational than most of your gibberish.

    2. Benitacanova   3 years ago

      the prophet mohammed?

      1. Ted   3 years ago

        If Jesus and Mohammed battled, would it be a contest of who has greater knower of the force, skill with lightsabers?

  16. mtrueman   3 years ago

    "But we are getting into pretty crazy territory if the mere presence of a mainstream conservative podcaster at a large podcasting convention triggers apoplexy among some progressives."

    Conservatives and progressives are enemies. Expecting them to tolerate each other's presence is ridiculous.

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Remind me when conservatives have behaved like that.

      1. mtrueman   3 years ago

        If you read the comments here you'll realize the conservatives are poseurs. Libtards play for keeps.

        1. BigT   3 years ago

          Not completely wrong.

          Jan 6 was a spontaneous, disorganized, non-violent riot.

          Summer 2020 ‘mostly peaceful’ riots were well planned and internally policed, violent, damaging assaults on the public and law enforcement.

          1. mtrueman   3 years ago

            George Soros personally shook the milk shakes.

            1. Dariush   3 years ago

              George Soros dropped trow and deposited a Cleveland Steamer into your dirty mouth you retard. You enjoyed it too.

    2. Ed Grinberg   3 years ago

      Oh yeah? When was the last time a conservative conference issued an apology for letting a "progressive" through the door?

      1. mtrueman   3 years ago

        Why would a conservative conference let a progressive through the door? They are enemies and despise each other. Just read the comments here if you are in doubt?

        1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

          Why would Shapiro have a calm, dispassionate interview with figures like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, or Ezra Klein?

          Oh wait, those things have happened.

          1. mtrueman   3 years ago

            "Why would Shapiro have a calm, dispassionate interview with figures like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, or Ezra Klein?"

            Ask his advertisers. He's running a business, isn't he?

          2. Tony   3 years ago

            I remember that. Tyson answered Ben's anti-trans hysteria bullshit in the correct way.

            He didn't get in the weeds about biology or tolerance or any of that nonsense. He simply asked Ben what he wants the government to do to trans people.

            1. Ted   3 years ago

              Silly faggot, you’re confused, as usual. It isn’t about what anyone wants the government to do TO trannies. It’s about stopping the government from doing things FOR trannies. Like putting them in women’s sports and letting them use the wrong bathroom, or letting them in the military.

              Not that you give a shot for them anyway. We all know how vicious bitchy gay men like you have always been so vicious towards them. Now it’s just another phony narrative to use against good Americans.

        2. JimboJr   3 years ago

          because they are now the party of free speech, whether that destroys your worldview or not.

          Last CPAC had some of the most virulent lefty reporters (notably that terrible cunt from Vice that was pro-authoritarian lockdown).

          Now that one right wing troll did make fun of her a lot. But thats the difference.

          Lefties are little shit authoritarians who want to hide and cry, and sic the authorities on their enemies until they make them go away and silence them so they dont have to hear anything uncomfortable. True snowflakes.

          Conservatives might be abrasive, but they will show up ready to refute your bullshit, to your face. And god knows the left cant actually debate.

          1. mtrueman   3 years ago

            "because they are now the party of free speech, whether that destroys your worldview or not."

            That's nonsense. Conservatives like Shapiro are poseurs, like many of the commenters here. Set Shapiro among his hated enemies and does he work to confound their knavish tricks? No he doesn't. He stands there mugging for the cameras and boasts about to the press when they come calling.

        3. Gus Valgus   3 years ago

          Conservatives don't let progs thru the door. Unless advertising is involved.

          Straining under the weight of those goalposts truman...

  17. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

    Gotta hand it to Shapiro and TDW. Their response to this pearl-clutching, fainting-couch meltdown was perfect. "Here's some footage of half a dozen or so people being friendly, shaking hands, and getting some pics."

    Showing that the lefturds are flipping out over nothing at all is an effective way to demonstrate their irrationality.

    -jcr

    1. Ed Grinberg   3 years ago

      ...an effective way to demonstrate their irrationalitypathological bigotry

  18. Rufus The Monocled   3 years ago

    'getting to the point?'

    We're AT that point.

    To be sure.

    1. Homple   3 years ago

      And that's not OK.

      1. Utkonos   3 years ago

        It’s problematic to be sure

    2. BigT   3 years ago

      Good to see you, Rufus.

  19. JeremyR   3 years ago

    I'm not sure how mainstream he is, he's basically an Orthodox Jewish Tucker Carlson.

    1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

      Tucker Carlson has the most watched program on cable news. That sounds pretty mainstream to me.

      1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

        Shapiro is a fairly mainstream, liberty oriented, free market, conservative. You can disagree with him, but the hate campaign against him is unhinged.

        1. Bill Dalasio   3 years ago

          Yeah, this is pretty much my perspective. Even here, we're seeing people talking about "loathing" him. Loathe? The guy's a bog standard conservative. Sure, I have a number of disagreements with the guy. But, if I'm going to consider the level of disagreement I have with Ben Shapiro sufficient to loathe the guy, I'm going to have a pretty long list of people I loathe.

        2. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

          The hate campaign appears to be motivated primarily by his refusal to say that transexuals are whatever they claim to be. It's not quite to the "try to kill him on stage" level like the campaign against Chapelle, but there's plenty of foaming at the mouth about him in lefturd circles.

          -jcr

          1. Ted   3 years ago

            I’m sure that’s coming too. If it ever happens, I hope he Rittenhouse’s his attacker. Ona related note, Marjorie Taylor Green was SWATted twice this week.

            The left needs a massive, collective savage beatdown.

  20. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    The passive-aggressive gatekeeping from the Left intensifies. They are, temperamentally, opposed to the principles of freedom of thought. Their claims of being harmed are bunkum, but that language is the formula they use to establish an ideological lock down on institutions that are supposed to be nonpartisan and apolitical. This behavior can no longer be tolerated, and the organizers of the conference not telling the complainers to go pound sand is an awful development for a free market of ideas, much less saying they were right.

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      their ideas dont stand up to any scrutiny, and they cannot debate smart conservatives, so their only option is to shreek and cry and hope whatever authorities involved can keep them (and others) from hearing the other side of the argument.

      They cant compete in the marketplace of ideas, so the only solution is that they cry enough until mommy govt (or whatever organization) makes sure the approved opinion is the only one that gets heard.

      If you can pre-emptively label any counter opinions as bigotry and hate speech, you dont have to actually try to make any logical points yourself.

  21. JimboJr   3 years ago

    A lot of these folks on the left would do themselves a favor by looking up the Shapiro vs Ana Kasparian debate from a year or two ago.

    I would say Shapiro 'owns' her, but he does it in such a respectful and cordial way you really cant be mad at him for it.

    He can be an abrasive troll sometimes, but when it comes down to it (esp in a debate) he is smart as hell, and is comfortable presenting his points in a professional, collegial manner.

    The two both had a good time, honestly they were even pretty friendly in the aftershow. And its Kasparian's normal audience that would shreek and cry if they saw shapiro. And thats mostly the fault of the insane rhetoric on Kasparian's show

    1. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

      Shapiro vs Ana Kasparian

      Well, that's certainly "punching down". That bint is such a moron that she didn't object to working on a show that was named for the perpetrators of the genocide against her own people.

      -jcr

  22. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   3 years ago

    There are three ways to resolve conflict.

    1) Dialogue
    2) Separation
    3) Force

    Dialogue is preferred. Being open to discuss, attempt to persuade other to your position is better than the woke crowd's tactic of forceably shutting down opposing voices.

    The "Woke Movement" is clearly authoritarian and at this moment pose more of a threat to our liberties than Ben Shapiro does.

    1. Tony   3 years ago

      Dialogue isn't Ben Shapiro's preference, of course. He just talks fast, and the one time he ever got into a conversation with someone willing to challenge his bullshit, he got turned into a pile of twitchy goo anyway.

      1. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

        Dialogue isn't Ben Shapiro's preference

        Then why does he invite left-wingers to debate?

        the one time he ever got into a conversation with someone willing to challenge his bullshit, he got turned into a pile of twitchy goo anyway.

        This sounds like a cherished fantasy on your part. When and with whom did this happen?

        -jcr

        1. Ted   3 years ago

          Tony makes a lot of claims. They never turn out to be real. He’s a pathological liar and a sociopath. I highly doubt any leftist has ever come out ahead in a debate with Shapiro. Or anyone else.

  23. TallDave   3 years ago

    "Podcast Movement's organizers might want to think"

    there's no evidence of that

  24. JohnTheRevelator   3 years ago

    This is exactly like a gossipy neighbor turning to you at a party and saying "oh look who just walked in the door" while rolling their eyes. Except in that case everyone would see who the instigator was.

  25. Tony   3 years ago

    What I don't get about charlatans like Ben Shapiro is, like, how do his fans determine that his opinion is correct and logical? His fast talking serves to obscure any actual logical connections. The content of his rants is usually complete gibberish.

    Is the fact that a guy speaks gibberish really fast enough to convince you folks that he made a solid point? "I'm a bigot, he's a bigot, and he sure looks like he's saying something intelligent, thus my bigotry is confirmed." Is that it?

    1. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

      charlatans like Ben Shapiro

      Add "charlatan" to the list of words that Tony uses without knowing their meaning. Shapiro is entirely sincere.

      usually complete gibberish.

      Your inability to understand what he says doesn't make it gibberish.

      bigotry

      Liar.

      -jcr

      1. Livemike   3 years ago

        Hey don't interrupt, Tony was about to back his case with facts and evidence.

        1. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

          First time for everything, eh?

          -jcr

    2. David   3 years ago

      What I don’t get is how cream puffs like you can be so convinced that everything Shapiro says is “gibberish” and yet still feel terribly harmed by the fact that he is permitted to say it. If you can’t even preserve your own sense of well-being after hearing a “bigot” speak “gibberish,” you’re kind of pathetic, aren’t you?

    3. Ted   3 years ago

      Tony, as you yourself have pointed out, your IQ is only 85. So of course you don’t understand anything Shapiro says. Those of us with average to above average IQ’s don’t have any problem grasping his arguments. They’re not too complicated.

      Shorter: you’re too stupid to understand Shapiro. Now fuck off.

  26. Hattori Hanzo   3 years ago

    Twatter comments were roasting this group. Why grovel in public to appease a handful of people that are faux offended because a guy was standing in a room?

  27. Livemike   3 years ago

    I tried to keep up with his fast speaking and my head exploded.

    1. jack murphy   3 years ago

      i love his content but holy mother of god he talks faster than i listen. hey ben...DECAF!

  28. David   3 years ago

    So, what was the harm? Was Ben distributing dangerous controlled substances? Like information and opinions?

  29. jack murphy   3 years ago

    Podcast Movement...WHAT A BUNCH OF FAGS!

    1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      It's a "frolic of fags".

  30. n00bdragon   3 years ago

    I'm gonna file this under "Who gives a shit what happens on Twitter?"

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