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Pandemic

Elementary School Calls Cops on 4-Year-Old for Violating Mask Mandate

In the Bay Area and in Los Angeles County, authorities are quickly learning there's little public will to follow their mandates.

Liz Wolfe | 8.23.2022 9:45 AM

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Last week, a Bay Area principal called the cops on a 4-year-old student who tried to attend Theuerkauf Elementary School without a mask on, in violation of Mountain View Whisman School District's policy.

"I'm going to have to have him removed from campus if you don't leave at this time," the principal, Michelle Williams, can be seen telling the student's father, Shawn, who has asked media organizations to withhold his last name for privacy. The school then called an officer to intervene. In another clip, the school resource officer seems sympathetic to both parties but must do the school district's bidding. Though there is no statewide mandate in place, and many area school districts have different policies, this district had decided that all students must mask in order to attend for the fall.

Shawn had anticipated that his family's decision not to mask would be a problem and contacted school officials in advance of the fall term starting.

"I was looking for accessibility options," Shawn told Fox & Friends First. "The only thing I got back from the principal was a cut-and-paste response." Other school district officials told him that schooling is compulsory in the state starting at age 6; since Shawn's son is 4, he doesn't need to attend.

"This parent worked with an advocacy group outside Mountain View to create a professional video in order to nationally shame a public servant doing her job while maintaining a safe and orderly school," Superintendent Ayindé Rudolph said in a statement sent to parents, not acknowledging that masking 4-year-olds may do more harm than good.

After this incident went viral last week, the school district on Thursday revoked their policy, admitting no wrongdoing and instead cloaking their call in language about how local COVID transmission rates have for now declined enough to put an end to the mandate. Shawn's son was allowed to attend school.

Major Update: After this incident went viral, the school found a reason to quickly lift their mask mandate.

However, the district states they "may reinstate mandatory indoor masking" if their county moves back into the CDC's high tier. pic.twitter.com/FgXGBQOz5e

— Reopen California Schools (@ReopenCASchools) August 19, 2022

This mandate reversal has echoes of a similar situation that just transpired in Los Angeles County. In mid-July, L.A. County's Barbara Ferrer, the director of the Department of Public Health, announced that universal indoor masking might need to be mandated if COVID transmission rates rise to a "high" level, determined by the authorities as 10 new weekly hospital admissions per 10,000 residents. L.A. County entered this "high" transmission level on July 14, but the Beverley Hills City Council immediately voted not to enforce any mandates if imposed from on high, and Ferrer quickly cooled her jets.

The unpopular mandate had been slated to go into effect on July 29. "It's reasonable to assume that the recent decline we have seen in cases will lead to continued decreases in hospital admissions over the next couple of weeks," Ferrer said July 28, suddenly optimistic, having recently dropped plans for the mandate. (L.A. County technically remained at a "high" transmission level until August 11.)

In both Mountain View and Los Angeles, the mask enforcers won't simply admit that there's little public will to follow these mandates, that they look weak and ineffective if people refuse to obey.

When dropping plans to institute mandates, Ferrer, Rudolph, and other decision makers rarely admit that they were wrong to impose coercive mandates on a largely vaccinated and low-risk general public. They instead claim it's the case counts that have gone down. Since the situation has changed, they say, the mandate is no longer necessary, leaving themselves a little bit of room to reimpose masking at a later date if they deem it appropriate.

Given what we know about how COVID works more than 30 months into this pandemic, armed with vaccines, Paxlovid, and an understanding that this virus does not do much harm to our very youngest, many parents might say kid-masking is never appropriate, contra California's insistent health enforcement apparatus.

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  1. wreckinball   3 years ago

    Yet it seems like the authorities are fine with enforcing the school's bidding.

    But I've seen authorities kneel and stand down other times? It's hard to know the rules these days and when it's OK to break them.

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    2. swillfredo pareto   3 years ago

      It's hard to know the rules these days and when it's OK to break them.

      It is always okay to break an immoral law or rule. And compulsory school attendance coupled with a mask mandate is profoundly immoral.

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  2. Overt   3 years ago

    What is worst is that it really is ONLY the schools where this type of arbitrary and draconian shit happens.

    I was up at LAX a few weeks ago. Everywhere you walk, there are signs explaining that the county still requires masks inside the airport. No one was following these rules. Maybe 50% of the employees in the airport wore masks. Maybe 1 out of 20 travelers were wearing a mask.

    What we are seeing here is very similar to what happens with many laws. The arbitrary and capricious nature of enforcement leads most people to think masking (or drug enforcement, or road law enforcement, etc) is no big deal. Because as far as they have experienced, it really doesn't impact their lives. But what they miss is how these laws are used to enforce petty tyranny on the politically disenfranchised.

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      Went to a friend's place a couple of weeks ago. The complex had a HUGE sign saying MASKING IS REQUIRED! But I noticed no one was wearing masks. Then I see in fine print at the bottom of the sign, twelve point font actual size, that "... for those not vaccinated".

      I don't trust people in charge of things. It's why I'm a libertarian. That includes leaders of HOAs and chess clubs. People who seek out that kind of power are the worst people. It's why I don't trust Trump, as he actually sought the presidency. I don't trust Biden either. I don't trust anyone who wants to be president. Meddlesome busybodies the lot of them. "But he's *our* meddlesome busybody!" I hear you say. Yeah sure, whatever. I still don't trust him.

      1. Overt   3 years ago

        You won't see me disagree, but I note that when it is clear that the people in the wrong are the ones you sympathize with, you can only muster a "Well everybody is bad when you get down to it."

        This is a unique evil. You are free to go about your day scoffing at signs and warnings of people because you know that the law won't be enforced on you. But these kids don't get that treatment. They must suffer the depravity of their muzzles or get carted off by the police. That is different than not trusting trump or biden.

      2. Night Watchman   3 years ago

        That's why I support the idea of election by random lot. People could register for their political party. Everyone can vote for their political party; once the party is elected, a random lot is cast and that person becomes the elected official.

        It would be an imperfect system that would invite abuse, but it would be better than what we currently have.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

          My libertopia has something similar. All voters can drop a name in with their ballot; one is picked at random to be a volunteer representative, paid at the same rate. (They can of course decline and another name will be picked.) Naturally some candidates will treat this as a write-in opportunity and try to get people to write them in, but it only increases the odds; selection is still random.

          I especially like the idea for having so many random volunteer amateurs in the legislature. They would be a constant thorn in the establishment's side. The veteran politicos would do their darnedest to snub them, but they'd still need their votes, and their bills would have to be given decent hearings to get any support for the establishment bills.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Or we could let people make their own decisions.

          1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

            Well, yeah, if we're going to fantasize about libertopias, why not go whole hog? Thanks for the reminder, but sometimes fantasies are just for fun.

        3. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

          Also -- you don't even need to have the election or registration by party. Volunteering would provide all the representative sampling you'd need. On polling day, pass out numbered slips to everyone who volunteers. When polls close, have a bingo/lotto style twirly cage to pull random digits for an open transparent selection; if the chosen number doesn't call back within 30 seconds, keep choosing random numbers.

          Hmmm ... do this from the ground up.
          * Do this in public, require the selectee to be in the crowd, outdoors or in a stadium or wherever. Avoids lengthy delays verifying someone who has to drive in from an hour or two away, only to be found ineligible.
          * Start with the smallest districts who take anyone as a volunteer, say county supervisor or city council.
          * For the next level, state representative, only take volunteers from the lower level, city and county, partly to keep numbers manageable, partly to require some experience in the mechanics of legislation and legalities.
          * Next level is federal representation.
          * Top level is president.

          If you hold elections every two years, the ages are 18-20-22-24. If every four years, 18-22-26-30. Either sounds fine to me. Have a completely random government, tending towards representative of those who volunteer. The best effect, aside from destroying party politics, is the lesson it would provide the rest of the world.

          1. mad.casual   3 years ago

            Have a completely random government, tending towards representative of those who volunteer.

            Except the problem, especially apparent in this case, that those volunteering being the most asshatiest of asshats isn't fully resolved. Maybe better adressed, but not resolved.

            1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

              I was answering Night Watchman, simplifying his random representative process.

              Earth-based Human Skeptic asked why not skip the representing altogether and get back to individualism, a much better solution.

  3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

    The administration is obviously far more concerned with compliance than education. Should I be happy that all my harping about Marxists in education is proving to be real, or sad that they are no longer afraid to show their stripes?

  4. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    I live a couple miles down the street. Hell, I used to live two blocks away from this school!

    Santa Clara County does NOT have a mask mandate. The City of Mountain View does NOT have a mask mandate. This is entirely up to the school board, a school board full of fucking nannies.

    I hate to admit it, but my next door neighbor is one of those school board members. A bigger Karen you will never meet. She STILL quarantines here package deliveries 24 hours before bringing them inside from her stoop. She STILL masks to walk fifteen feet to her mail box.

    Sadly, one doesn't get to pick and choose one's neighbors. I try to be polite nonetheless, because one does not want to make enemies of a neighbor. Especially one with political power.

    So no, this story does not surprise me.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      What is it with these paranoid meddling Karen-cunts (Kunts?). We always had a tiny fraction of the population with insane nanny syndrome. Did COVID actually trigger brain restructuring to create more of these people?

      I often feel sorry for them, and try to channel my libertarian tolerance. But when delusions affect large numbers of people (who do NOT have libertarian, or other, tolerance) it quickly fucks up our whole society.

      1. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        It seems that such persons like nothing better than to impose their paranoia on others; which is why they aspire to even petty positions of power, in order to gratify their fucked-upedness.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

          Which is why those of us who do not want to impose paranoia on others and do not want to control others need to get into these positions of power. It's the only feasible way of stopping the nonsense. If we do not block these "Karens" from getting into positions of power, then we become subject to their idiocy.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

            I would rather reduce the power structure, and help more people relearn the virtue of MYOB.

          2. justme   3 years ago

            these low iq tyrants all mostly live in specific places like bigger cities. i lived in a blue urban area where most of the people are like this and i just couldn't take it. i can't live with mentally retarded idiots. so i moved to a red area and life is much better. these dumbasses can keep their blue cities and do what they want. could not care less. my advice is to move away from these people.

      2. Brandybuck   3 years ago

        This started long before COVID. And it inflicts both sides (no really). But COVID did seem to exacerbate it.

        The whole cancel culture thing is a product of Karenism. And it directly derives from the old school right wing moral scolds of yesteryear. The people who wrote letters to the networks complaining about a band on Ed Sullivan.

        But COVID wasn't the flashpoint. The rise was happening before then. Karen's learned that non one was pushing back at them. They learned that demanding to see the manager was met with instant compliance.

        I wrote about this years ago. The lady with an annoyance over yapping dogs, gets elected to city council to pass an ordinance against yapping dogs. Now she has three and a half years left on the council, and idle hands are the devil's playthings. This is where that comes from. People with political power.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          Both sides? What do people on the right, or even in the center, hold delusional paranoid fears about--and then use those to push for societal controls? And fears the right express about excesses of the left don't count.

          BTW, lots of social science correlates low risk tolerance and high anxiety with people inclined towards left wing politics.

          1. JimboJr   3 years ago

            Is it really any shocker that Brandy came back with a both sides argument?

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              There is only one side. Republicans good. Anything else is communist.

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                This you?

                That means that libertarians now have more in common with the left than with the right. Not because libertarians have drifted left. Rather its because the conservative right has abandoned support for liberty in general.

              2. JimboJr   3 years ago

                Republicans are often bad.

                Communists are always significantly worse and a substantially larger threat to everyone's liberty.

                This is not hard sarc

          2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

            For once, I think brandybuck has the history right, sort of.

            Progressives did start this, following the Civil War, which showed the power of federal government to get off its butt and fix evil, even if it meant killing 800,000 soldiers; they used that power of government to add plumbing and building codes, lawyer and doctor occupational licensing, meat packer inspections, and every government solution they could think of.

            After WW II, after so much FDR Democrat intervention, Republicans reacted with red scares, loyalty oaths, comic book and record scares, all their own ways of using government power to lash out after having had to suck up socialism for so long.

            And that lead to the Vietnam War, free speech riots, SDS bombings, and more backlash and counter-backlash. And today we have woke Karens.

            The root evil is monopolistic coercive government.

            1. mad.casual   3 years ago

              Saying 'both sides' while conflating schoolmarms with people writing complaint letters to Ed Sullivan is a bit retarded.

              1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

                'Both sides' is always retarded. Republicans good. Everyone else bad.

                1. VULGAR MADMAN   3 years ago

                  That’s as deep as you get, isn’t it?

          3. Sometimes a Great Notion   3 years ago

            The Iraq War comes to mind.

        2. JesseAz   3 years ago

          You realize you were a Karen in the comments about masks and vaccines right? For 2 years.

        3. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

          They learned that demanding to see the manager was met with instant compliance.

          I'm unlikely to ever get involved in a business that deals with customers in a retail setting, but if I were to do so, I would make it clear to my staff that ejecting snotty bitches throwing tantrums is good for business, since they tend to drive decent customers away.

          -jcr

        4. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          The lady with an annoyance over yapping dogs

          Bad example. An incessantly yapping dog next door is mental torture. Putting a stop to using law enforcement is proper.

      3. Nardz   3 years ago

        Reminder that brandybuck was one of the whiniest "wear-the-mask, everyone-needs-to-take-the-shot" Karens on this website for 2 fucking years

        1. bobodoc   3 years ago

          Oh, he's enlightened now!

    2. Overt   3 years ago

      I hate to say it, Brandy, but you enabled these people. The masking hysteria was never justified, especially for children. The vaccination hysteria was never, ever justified for kids. But I saw you here in these comments enabling it. Now you are here to tell us you think they are Karens? Come on.

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        ^ this

        Brandy is one of the commenters who most commonly 'Both sides!', excuses the left because the right is really bad, and excuses the left because 'But TRUMP!'.

        We watched many arguments where brandy was given many cites that masks dont work (and even N95s as used by the public [inappropriately] dont work) and he constantly came back with gaslighting that we should mask and cave to the whims of the leftist authoritarians.

        It has always been evidently clear he (like chemjeff) lives somewhere surrounded by these blue-bubble crazies and his opinions are clearly influenced by that. But enabling these people is not libertarian in the least. So sorry Brandy, the authoritarian shithole you are creating in Ca is absolutely the fault of people like you that enable it.

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

          Almost -- the real root of all evil is government. Absent powerful central government, even Marxists are harmless, and Karens much less so. Government enables and encourages and attracts all the control freaks. Brandybuck just doesn't have the will power to avoid the siren song.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            Almost -- the real root of all evil is government.

            Not really. One of the purposes of government is to deal with evil. And there is real evil in this world, though I doubt that many evil people think of themselves as such. Nardz and Sevo would cheerfully murder people based upon their voter registration, and consider themselves to be good people while doing it. Many in these comments would applaud them. I think that mass murder is evil, and government is supposed to stop such things. Heck, government is the only reason why Nardz and Sevo haven't murdered anyone (that we know about).

            1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

              Governments murdered 100 million people last century. How many did non-governments murder?

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Need all your comments threatening people again?

        2. Utkonos   3 years ago

          Brandybuck lives in my area. A while back he said he was in Sunnyvale like me-evidently now in neighboring Mountain View (where I was born and raised). I can truthfully say that the very same area which I was truly blessed to be born and raised in—Santa Clara Valley— is now the multi-multi-MULTI million dollar Shiticon hellhole I’m cursed to be stuck in. The change was a long time coming, I suppose, but the brutal realization occurred very swiftly, within the last 15 years I’d say. Coincidentally, the hardcore progs (read: left wing fascists — nothing liberal to see here, folks!) consolidated their monopoly on local government power around the same time.

    3. Naime Bond   3 years ago

      Write this on a mask and slip this note in her mailbox : 866-903-3787 (National Mental Health Hotline).

    4. Utkonos   3 years ago

      I’m visualizing her in one of those full plastic face cover things…

    5. Kanty Satanist   3 years ago

      God, I can smell her anxiety from 6,000 miles away and it's driving ME nuts.

      People need to get this shit under control. They are letting their fear run their lives, and then in turn, are trying to run everyone else's lives.

      You know she is probably so miserable.

  5. Rich   3 years ago

    the mask enforcers won't simply admit that there's little public will to follow these mandates, that they look weak and ineffective if people refuse to obey.

    "And don't even get me started on obeying the speed limit!"

    1. Brandybuck   3 years ago

      Helmets! For motorcycles!

      p.s. I was once first person on the scene of a motorcycle accident. No helmet. He lost half his face, literally, to the asphalt. So I am wholeheartedly in favor of motorcycle helmets. I am still on the fence whether it should be mandated however.

      1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

        If you are on the fence about motorcycle helmets (and probably seat belts too), you are a statist. Others not using them doesn't hurt you in the slightest, unless you are such a dipshit that you claim your taxes go up to pay for their emergency room services.

        Fuck off, slaver.

        1. Heedless   3 years ago

          Ah, the siren song of the libertarian, welcoming less dogmatic members to the movement with a rhetorical kick to the nuts and a rising chorus of “Fuck off, slaver.”

          No wonder we can’t crack 4%.

          1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

            Brandybuck has been here awhile

          2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

            Anyone who thinks other people's helmets are any of his business isn't even close to being libertarian.

          3. Sevo   3 years ago

            Fuck off and die, slaver.

          4. ThomasD   3 years ago

            Brandybuck is not "less" dogmatic. His dogma is largely not libertarian and quite often is apologetic of offenses to liberty.

        2. Overt   3 years ago

          At the root of every left leaning person is the fundamental and heartfelt belief that they know what is right for people they've never met, and therefore deserve to tell them what to do.

          The degree of leftist is how much you are willing to do to get the person to hew to your orders. But even in the most libertarian of lefties, that arrogance that they know better is always there.

          1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            At the root of every left leaning person is the fundamental and heartfelt belief that they know what is right for people they've never met, and therefore deserve to tell them what to do.

            Now do Republicans who know what chemicals people should ingest, how people should behave in the bedroom, and what products people should be allowed to buy.

            1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

              If you think it's only republicans who are for the drug war you may not be aware of very much

              1. ThomasD   3 years ago

                They never seem to notice that the left's approach to "ending" the drug war involves limited permission and massive expansions of government involvement.

                But we notice the government's game, same as we notice their selective blind eyes.

            2. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Don't you cry whataboutism every time your precious left is attacked?

          2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

            The argument between the left and the right is over what to control and who will control it.

            Neither side has any use for liberty.

            1. JimboJr   3 years ago

              changing it up to 'neither side' is at least more refreshing than another 'bowf sides'

              even if it is exactly the same argument

              1. JesseAz   3 years ago

                He is just pathetic at this point. Notice he can never actually criticize biden or the left in any thread. Always has to attack the right instead.

          3. Chinny Chin Chin   3 years ago

            It takes some real arrogance to claim to know the minds of all lefties.

            And certainly, the Drug War is a perfect example of a bipartisan surety that the plebes can't run their own lives. Would you argue that conservative judges went easier on drug offenders because they had less willingness to force the person to hew to the law?

          4. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

            the fundamental and heartfelt belief that they know what is right for people they've never met, and therefore deserve to tell them what to do.

            That's also the basis of Puritanism, and every other group of slavers who seek power to compensate for their lack of virtue.

            -jcr

      2. Sevo   3 years ago

        "I am still on the fence whether it should be mandated however."

        Tells you all you need to know about Brandyshit.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Or jaywalking laws (we have those in Cali)

  6. Eeyore   3 years ago

    Any teacher or school calling the cops for something like this shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids. What do they do when the child refuses to take a nap during nap time?

    1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      Give 'em a good shake?

      1. Eeyore   3 years ago

        I guess on the plus side - this is how libertarians are created.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      Never heard of sedation? “Vee inject more zan Pfizer here!”

    3. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      The problem is that if they lay a finger on a disruptive child, they can end up in big trouble. Calling for the SRO can be their only alternative to letting the kids run the classroom.

  7. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    "In another clip, the school resource officer seems sympathetic to both parties but must do the school district's bidding."

    You know who else just followed orders?

    1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

      Russel Wilson on the last play of the Super Bowl?

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

      Every goon any where and any place at any time in history?

    3. Dillinger   3 years ago

      Dawson and Barnes?

    4. Iwanna Newname   3 years ago

      Lois Lerner?

    5. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

      Thomas the Tank Engine?

  8. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    First, sending a four year old to an indoctrination center is child abuse.
    Second, he should sue the school for violating this weeks CDC guidelines.

  9. Dillinger   3 years ago

    stupid teacher, cops shoot dogs not 4 year-olds

    also it's delicious the mandate got dropped.

  10. Joe Friday   3 years ago

    Oh, I thought this was about DeSantis and the kids wearing masks.

    By the way, the guy in the Bay area was going to call the cops because the stupid Dad was there and wouldn't leave.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Imagine being the kind of person who takes the school's and cop's side in this story. Just astonishing.

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        Joe Asshole's down with that.

      2. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

        My imagination isn't that powerful.

    2. Minadin   3 years ago

      Clearly, the dad should have just left his kid there without resolving the situation.

      We've all seen how well that can go.

  11. Joe Friday   3 years ago

    "A group of Florida’s kindergartners has offered to explain the science underpinning the use of masks to the state’s governor, Ron DeSantis.

    Calling DeSantis’s objection to mask mandates “clearly an example of ignorance on his part,” one of the kindergartners, Jayson Dorrinson, said that his fellow five-year-olds were willing to talk to the Governor at his earliest convenience.

    “The benefit of wearing masks is so clear, it’s obvious to us that no one has explained this issue properly to Mr. DeSantis,” the kindergartner said. “We’re happy to play that role.”

    Dorrinson said that he was “not concerned” that being told the facts about masks might enrage DeSantis, who has been on a short fuse in recent weeks.

    “We sincerely hope that he doesn’t get mad,” the five-year-old said. “But, if he does, we’ll just give him a timeout.”

    1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

      Kindergartners -- a code word for Democrats?

      Face it, Joe Boy, anybody who would take any advice from a kindergartner, even good ice cream flavors, is an utter moron.

      Like you.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        But in Joe's world, "science", which is just regurgitating whatever some authority figure told him without a hint of actual objective data or understanding, is perfectly represented by 5 year olds.

      2. CLM1227   3 years ago

        I swear, cotton candy + gummy bears is not that bad!

    2. JimboJr   3 years ago

      Was Eric Swallowwells 4 year old able to be reached for their opinion on masks?

      Also nice own goal there.

      Not only have actual studies shown masks dont do shit...but instead of having your regular party apparatchiks do the dirty gaslighting work, you are recruiting kids to do it?

      Party of science, that rely on lying about science and then making mandates based on it.

      You deserve whats coming to you. Enjoy president Desantis

    3. Dillinger   3 years ago

      love the Crazy Ivan on the Appeal to Authority Fallacy by appealing to five year-olds

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        jokes on you

        5 year olds actually are intellectual authorities to both Joe Friday and leftists alike

        1. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

          Only some of them. The others haven't been groomed yet.

        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

          They do Science! by feelz, just like most people. Especially Democrats when concerning COVID.

    4. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      Pathetic.

    5. mad.casual   3 years ago

      The meta of Joe Friday publicizing a stunt where adult five-yr.-olds brainwash actual five-yr.-olds into blaming Ron DeSantis for their own, their parents, or their teachers' free choice in order to appeal to other five-yr.-olds (adult or child) would be impressive if it weren't so sad.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

        It's retards chanting ideology all the way down.

    6. InsaneTrollLogic   3 years ago

      You mean to say that having people who are not medically cleared nor fit tested for facial coverings of any sort, suddenly wearing facial coverings that have never been tested nor approved by NIOSH, or even if they have, please see the first part of this, has a benefit?

      Utter and complete bullshit. Cloth masks at best do nothing and at worst are disease vectors themselves. As for surgical masks, they are nothing more than spit guards to keep open surgical cuts clean from spit. N95s? Well, only if medically cleared and properly fit tested, and then they might work (they're illegal for any asbestos work, and those particles are larger than aerosolized Covid), but few will ever wear them properly.

    7. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      “The benefit of wearing masks is so clear, it’s obvious to us that no one has explained this issue properly to Mr. DeSantis,” the kindergartner said. “We’re happy to play that role.”

      Not a fucking chance that was said by a 5-year old.

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        I would say that it's extremely unlikely to have been said by a kindergarten teacher.

        Which makes sense, since it came from the humor section of the New Yorker.

        https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/floridas-kindergartners-offer-to-explain-mask-issue-to-desantis

        1. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

          Remember when the New Yorker had funny cartoons?

          -jcr

    8. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      "A group of Florida’s kindergartners has offered to explain the science underpinning the use of masks to the state’s governor, Ron DeSantis.

      The fact that you're (I'm assuming this was "rea") using an example of child soldiers being deployed in a culture war battle that even the CDC has abandoned would be terrifying if it weren't so goddamned funny.

  12. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Why are the parents even bothering with putting this poor kid into the public school?

    1. Eeyore   3 years ago

      Many possibilities.

      Can't afford childcare.
      Hate thier children.

  13. Truthteller1   3 years ago

    I'm completely baffled as to why they are doing this, it has no basis in reality. What is the goal?

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      control for the sake of control

      Just as trans-grooming and gay-grooming is for the sake of separating kids and parents. It could be anything but it just happens to be transo stuff right now. Whatever works to get the state in between parents and kids will be employed.

    2. Utkonos   3 years ago

      I live in the area, and even our mass transit VTA (Valley Transit Authority) has stopped mandating masks (they’re just “highly recommended “)

  14. ElvisIsReal   3 years ago

    Government is force. Always.

    https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/there-oughta-be-a-law

  15. VinniUSMC   3 years ago

    This parent worked with an advocacy group outside Mountain View to create a professional video in order to nationally shame a public servant doing her job

    Good. Fuck her and fuck you.

  16. Foo_dd   3 years ago

    let's be honest with our headlines here.... they did not call the cops on the 4yr old, they called the cops on the father who basically staged the whole thing with that goal in mind.

    that said, this is another good argument against public schools. any school would have the ability to set the rules for entry on to their property, but a private school is more likely to be respecting the will of the parents and the current real world situation.

    1. Sevo   3 years ago

      Get off your knees and then fuck off and die, TDS-addled pile of shit.

      1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        fuck off and die, TDS, TDS, SQUAWK!!!!

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          Eat shit and die, asshole.

    2. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      let's be honest with our headlines here.... they did not call the cops on the 4yr old, they called the cops on the father who basically staged the whole thing with that goal in mind.

      If publicly staging an event to show or highlight a "perceived" injustice is suddenly no de rigueur, there's a whole bunch of abortion shit that's happened in the media over the last 50 years that's going to be called into question, including the plaintiff in Roe V Wade.

      1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        i am just pointing out the deceptive click bait quality of the headline, buddy. they didn't call the police on the 4yr old.

        considering i went on to say it is a good argument against public schools, you might want to hold off reading too much into that.

        1. Vernon Depner   3 years ago

          No, they called the cop on the kid. He was the one "violating" by not wearing a mask.

    3. ThomasD   3 years ago

      I would agree, had the child been a mere prop. But the child is the actual subject of the matter and as such humanizes the issue in a completely honest and appropriate way.

      I'm sure the school officials would be much happier if protest media only showed parents or other adults.

      1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        my point is that the headline is deceptive click bait..... they did not call the cops on a 4yr old......

        interesting how many people are so eager to defend the guy, though.

      2. Utkonos   3 years ago

        “Parents or other adults” For brevity’s sake, to referred to henceforth as “terrorists”

    4. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

      ….basically staged the whole thing with that goal in mind.

      Now do Rosa parks.

      1. Foo_dd   3 years ago

        everyone really quick to miss the point today. must be too triggered by any acknowledgement that it was a stunt included when pointing out they did not call the cops on a 4yr old at all.

        1. Sevo   3 years ago

          Triggered by TDS-addled pile of shit. Fuck off and die.

  17. Sevo   3 years ago

    "This parent worked with an advocacy group outside Mountain View to create a professional video in order to nationally shame a public servant doing her job while maintaining a safe and orderly school,"

    Just following orders, right?

    1. Utkonos   3 years ago

      And we’ll never get our hands on the ones who gave those orders. You know who else evaded responsibility for all the harmful orders he gave?

  18. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    CDC guidelines now say masking is based on your personal assessment of risk. Why are the schools anti-science conspiracy theorists?

    1. JimboJr   3 years ago

      the bigger question is why was the CDC for so long when the data hasnt actually changed at all.

      reasonable people started doing this well over a year ago

      1. justme   3 years ago

        no, some of us never wore masks. we knew from day one.

  19. Utkonos   3 years ago

    Native sod of Mountain View here, born and raised (currently residing next door in Sunnyvale). All I can do is cringe—I ran out of tears a few years back.

  20. Utkonos   3 years ago

    OFF TOPIC: Someone mentioned Karens above…Apparently there’s now a movie by that name. Has anyone seen it?

  21. Tjappleg8   3 years ago

    Masks? What is all this talk of masks?

  22. More Liberty   3 years ago

    More government nonsense

  23. Redundant Pirahna Vigil   3 years ago

    Well kid, adults make the rules. And if you don't like the rules, then maybe there may be a good reason why.

    Sometimes teachers would sit us in a reading circle on the floor and sometimes we read from our desks. Why, then, couldn't we sit on the floor when we wanted and sit at our desks when we wanted or stand in class when we wanted? Because, we have to let teacher organize us. Object if you have a good reason, but at least some people say it must be done that way.few

    Not even surgeons wear masks obsessive.

    https://cnsnews.com/commentary/dr-jim-meehan/surgeon-destroys-myth-if-masks-dont-work-why-do-surgeons-wear-them

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