San Francisco Spent Over $20,000 on a Trash Can
“We need to have a trash can that works for the city of San Francisco,” said city project manager Lisa Zhuo.

This summer, a collection of custom and off-the-shelf trash cans hit the streets of San Francisco as the city prepares to replace its stock of over 3,000 public bins. The San Francisco Department of Public Works says it's time, since the current bins "have become easy targets of scavengers"—but the prototypes have come under fire for their exorbitant costs.
The four-year search has yielded three custom-made trash cans designed by a local industrial firm. They're now stationed around San Francisco, and residents may scan a QR code on the cans to offer the city feedback via an eight-item questionnaire. The "Salt & Pepper" came in at around $11,000, while the "Slim Silhouette" prototype cost about $18,000. The "Soft Square" cost $20,900. Three off-the-shelf models are also in the mix, ranging in price from $630 to $2,800.
Which trash can prototype would you pick for San Francisco?
1) A "Salt and Pepper" shaker-shaped can
2) A narrow rectangular "Slim Silhouette" with two circles
3) A wider rectangular "Soft Square" with a handleVote here: https://t.co/3VFt5LmfBc
— San Francisco Chronicle (@sfchronicle) July 23, 2021
"We need to have a trash can that works for the city of San Francisco," said city project manager Lisa Zhuo in a video announcing the prototypes. "We're trying to come up with one design. If this trash can is able to perform the way it's designed, it's going to save us in the long term."
Matt Haney, a former San Francisco supervisor, questioned the plan during a Board of Supervisors Budget and Finance Committee meeting last year. "Why are we still doing this rather than putting out a bunch of different types of cans that already are produced, that are much cheaper, that are already performing well…and then making a decision based on this?" he asked. "This is a very expensive, much longer, uncertain process."
As reported by Mission Local, then–interim Public Works Director Alaric Degrafinried objected that San Francisco is "obviously very unique," and city officials "weren't happy with the look" of off-the-shelf cans. Instead, they plowed ahead with a $427,500 plan to produce bespoke prototype bins. City officials have waved away the steep costs of the custom bins by saying that, if they're chosen, they'll end up costing between $2,000 to $3,000 per unit once they're mass-produced.
That cost might hurt a bit less if the bins were at least accomplishing what officials hoped they would—namely, encouraging public cleanliness. But the Associated Press reports that several cans are already tagged with graffiti and surrounded by large trash items.
The A.P. notes that street trash has been an issue in San Francisco for decades. That problem likely worsened in 2007 when then-Mayor Gavin Newsom "eliminated about 1,500 of the city's 4,500 trash cans because he said they were not helping keep streets clean and were becoming magnets for more trash," says the A.P.
San Francisco's yearslong quest for the perfect trash can won't result in new bins replacing the old ones until at least the end of 2023. The winning design will depend partially on feedback from residents, sanitation crews, and neighborhood merchants. Whichever bin city officials end up choosing, more taxpayer dollars are bound to go to waste.
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That problem likely worsened in 2007 when then-Mayor Gavin Newsom "eliminated about 1,500 of the city's 4,500 trash cans because he said they were not helping keep streets clean and were becoming magnets for more trash," says the A.P.
What the fuck? The problem is that people were putting a lot of trash in the vicinity of the trash cans?
My guees; Union contract only allows for the emptying of the bin not any overflow next to the bin. And yhey have a maximum number of bins they are allowed to empty a day which is set so low that they never get around to emptying them all hence the overflow.
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The new fashion in "Green" building is "Zero Waste" programs. Meaning they don't provide trash cans at all.
Magic!
We're starting to "solve" traffic problems the same way - too much traffic on the roads? Eliminate the roads!
Redefining works for everything else, so why not redefine roads?
Equity Pathways (Did I win?)
Nicely done.
It annoys me how they are intentionally conflating traffic and congestion when talking about induced demand.
"More roads means more traffic" - Yeah, it is pretty much expected that when you fix something that is broken, more people will use it. It is a sign of success.
But the articles that present this research always present in a way to make people think that "more roads means more congestion" which is obviously nonsense.
Solving the "not enough trash cans" problem by getting rid of the trash cans. That's a California solution, alright.
The cans don't flush themselves
have become easy targets of scavengers
So people surviving off waste is bad, but totes ok to rob a Walgreens?
I think they stole the cans for metal.
There’s an easy solution for that. Bolt the damn things to the pavement.
That was my thinking too. If people are going through the trash it's not just because they think it's a good time
I've noticed when Reason talks about government waste, a lot of times it's more things like this that are sort of reasonable, but probably egregious and doesn't matter much because it's just not that much money for a big city.
Reminds me of when they talk about some research grant for "Counciling Cockroaches suspected to be rape survivors" or something. Something that sounds dumb, but then it turns out the grant was 20k or something and it's so below the level of what we should be paying attention to in government spending that it doesn't matter.
it's so below the level of what we should be paying attention to in government spending that it doesn't matter.
There is no amount of waste too little to pay attention to. To create a system which takes financial performance seriously everyone involved needs to understand the priorities. The existence of any grant for this does not just indicate 20k wasted, it also indicates the approval process is broken.
Details matter and this attitude is a main reason why government is so wasteful.
Alternate headline:
San Francisco spent a trillion dollars to fix homelessness, and it got worse.
The Commission set up to investigate this outcome determined that 6 trillion is the baseline for success. But hey, that Commission only cost $80,000.00
"But hey, that Commission only cost $80,000.00"
Yeah right, that's like the cost of 4 trash cans in San Francisco. You know it must have cost way more than that.
If someone can’t be bothered about a small item that is totally useless, they’re probably not going to be bothered about a large item that is questionable.
They can't be bothered with human shit on the sidewalks but they're spending >400k on prettier garbage cans? This is what political extremism gets you.
Every city has their quirks that make them unique. For San Francisco, it's human squalor camping next to progressive millionaires.
Those progressive millionaires are ensconced behind the kind of wall that actually work.
With great big gates, and guards.
"Degrafinried objected that San Francisco is "obviously very unique," and city officials "weren't happy with the look" of off-the-shelf cans."
While everyone else isn't happy with the look of the off-the-rails homeless situation.
So unique that they need a special trash can to distinguish themselves.
He's an idiot. There is no such thing as very unique. A thing is unique or not, no gradations permitted. The speaker is obviously very uniquely stupid.
I'm a homeless drug addict. When I throw a heroin needle away, I want a sophisticated trash can that says "This is me."
Don't worry, idiots, these trash cans will only cost $2,000 to $3,000 dollars each!
"..."We need to have a trash can that works for the city of San Francisco," said city project manager Lisa Zhuo in a video announcing the prototypes..."
No, this was not an ironic statement, I'm sorry to report.
Which one makes it the easiest to poop in?
Which one makes it easiest to poop next to?
Anything that won't fall over is good for that. Just a nice firm squatting wall with a little texture is good.
White marble buildings are my favorite.
It cost 20,000 and now it’s full of shit
""City officials have waved away the steep costs of the custom bins by saying that, if they're chosen, they'll end up costing between $2,000 to $3,000 per unit once they're mass-produced.""
That's cheap for a garbage can.
"street trash has been an issue in San Francisco for decades."
That's not a polite way to refer to the drugged out homeless bums in Civic Center.
I thought the problem was a lack of public toilets.
"eliminated about 1,500 of the city's 4,500 trash cans because he said they... were becoming magnets for more trash,"
A trash can is SUPPOSED to be a "magnet(s) for trash" dammit.
CB
Geez. Just get rid of the homeless. They should be the target of NIMBYs and not new housing. SF? You are not getting it right.
As a bipartisan libertarian publication, Reason has to provide a quota of vaguely libertarian-looking of left wing government. Those articles have to be fun, accurate, and avoid confronting any divisive cultural issue.
The bureaucratic inefficiency of trash can management in SF is a very nice topic for them. Meanwhile, woke totalitarianism enlaces America every day a little more.