Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Angry About Mar-a-Lago Raid

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Fallout from the Mar-a-Lago raid? A man attempted an attack at an FBI field office in Cincinnati on Thursday. The assailant, Ricky Shiffer, tried to enter the visitor screening area around 9:15 a.m., wearing body armor. When stopped by security, Shiffer fled, taking off up the nearby I-71 highway.

The FBI says Shiffer was "armed" when he tried to enter the building, but it's unclear with what he was armed. CNN says he was carrying a nail gun and an AR-15 rifle. NBC News reports that he fired the nail gun before he fled.

Shiffer was later spotted by an Ohio state trooper who tried to pull him over, prompting a police chase that eventually ended in an hourslong standoff in a rural county between Cincinnati and Columbus. Shiffer reportedly raised a gun at police, who shot and killed him.

An account for "Ricky Shiffer" on the Trump-backed social media website Truth Social posted yesterday morning "well, I thought I had a way through bullet proof glass, and I didn't. If you don't hear from me, it is true I tried attacking the F.B.I., and it'll mean either I was taken off the internet, the F.B.I. got me, or they sent the regular cops while." The message ended abruptly.

The account—now disabled by Truth Social—"said Shiffer was a construction mechanic in Columbus, Ohio," notes USA Today. "A search of public records identified a 42-year-old Ricky Shiffer in Columbus."

On Tuesday, the day the FBI raided former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club, the account posted:

People, this is it. I hope a call to arms comes from someone better qualified, but if not, this is your call to arms from me. Leave work tomorrow as soon as the gun shop/Army-Navy store/pawn shop opens, get whatever you need to be ready for combat. We must not tolerate this one. This time we must respond with force. If you know of any protests or attacks, please post here.

In a subsequent message, the account proposed killing the FBI on sight:

(@travis_view/Twitter)

The Associated Press says "there have been growing threats in recent days against FBI agents and offices across the country after federal agents executed a search warrant at Mar-a-Lago."

The latest news on the raid includes allegations that there were classified documents related to nuclear weapons among those seized from Trump.

Attorney General Merrick Garland said yesterday that he "personally approved the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter," and announced that the Department of Justice had filed a motion to unseal the warrant for the search.

Trump said last night in a statement: "Not only will I not oppose the release of the documents, I am going a step further by encouraging the immediate release of those documents."

See also: Democrats Don't Trust 'the Police,' but They Do Trust the FBI, Provided It Is Targeting Donald Trump

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[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

"A man attempted an attack at an FBI field office in Cincinnati on Thursday"

Alternative

A man attempted to twhart America's largest domestic terrorist organization on thursday

A man attempted to fight the stazi on thursday

[Spiritus Mundi]

With a nail gun?

[JohannesDinkle]

Mythbusters showed pretty well that a nail gun does not make a good weapon. Even if you hold down the lever that will allow it to fire not in contact with something, the nails just flip through the air. It would sting, but not kill or cause serious injury.
The nutter would have to press it against an opponent and pull the trigger to cause any real harm, and a knife would work as well and is lighter.

[A Thinking Mind]

So given that he seemingly had a rifle he never used, it's worth questioning just how serious he was about fighting them. Maybe he really did try to shoot at officers, though, I don't know.

It's good to see that Nardz finally got through to someone, though.

[Spiritus Mundi]

He probably never used the rifle because he only 'had' it after he was dead.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

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[JimboJr]

Really a lot that seems...off about this story.

He went with an AR and a nailgun, and just fired the nail gun? What the literal fuck?

Somehow the least tactically capable person was the one who attacked the FBI, and no one but him was killed.

So the narrative that Trump and his people are dangerous terrorists successfully gets spread but not a single FBI agent was harmed. It seems weirdly convenient for the FBI, and I would be more suspicious if it weren't so...bizarre

[Brandybuck]

He said he found a way past bullet proof glass. My guess is that he thought it was a nail gun. From that perspective it fits.

Stop being a fucking Alex "lost in court" Jones and trying to make up stupid shit false flag excuses. Some nutter did a nutter thing and paid for it. That is all.

[JesseAz]

Whitmer kidnapping entrapment is officially memory holed.

[Sevo]

Brandyshit will brandyshit.

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[Mother's Lament]

"He said he found a way past bullet proof glass. My guess is that he thought it was a nail gun."

Anyone who's ever used a nailgun knows that's not the case.

[HorseConch]

Seems like a stretch for a construction worker to think that's a solution. He's likely just a one-off nut, but anyone carrying a nail gun carries a hammer to beat down the nails it won't drive into wood. It doesn't take too much thought to realize that bulletproof glass is harder than a 2x4.

[rbike]

Nail gun could refer to .22 ramsets. See Lockpicking Lawyer on YouTube for example of damage this device can do. Still a stupid plan as if the window is gone, what next? Kill randomly and likely martyr a relatively innocent agent? Take hostages?

[Mother's Lament]

I have a Hilti DX E72 and it wouldn't do it.

[Nardz]

At this point, there aren't any innocent agents

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[JimboJr]

look at Brandybuck with his panties in a twist. Something trigger you sweetie?

[DesigNate]

There’s no reason to get all hysterical Brandy.

[R Mac]

Yeah, the whole “Go to the Army surplus store after work” post is ridiculous.

[A Thinking Mind]

I'm just waiting to learn, after all his tough talk about killing as many feds as possible, if he ever fired his weapon. There's a lot of LARPers out there, and this guy seems like one. But if he was LARPer, it seems like he'd have surrendered peacefully.

[JimboJr]

Charging in, in the way he did, is a guarantee 100% they aren't letting you walk out alive. I mean its basically suicide by cop. I feel like you dont go in that way if unless you are intent on taking someone out. Very strange

[A Thinking Mind]

Charging in, in the way he did, is a guarantee 100% they aren't letting you walk out alive.

He walked out alive. He was killed a couple of counties over.

I mean, dude walks in, is immediately foiled, retreats to his car, and then gets into a standoff for hours, and perhaps never fired his weapon before police unloaded on him. This is a very weird story.

[HorseConch]

The fact that they didn't bother to shoot him shows how little of a threat they considered him.

[Mike Laursen]

Also, knowing the typical street cops' political sympathies, the officer who shot him probably voted for Trump.

[R Mac]

Stfu.

[Brandybuck]

Or maybe he charged in because he was stupid and though all the "patriots" would have his back.

[Nardz]

Cower in fear, faggot

[Ronbback]

Really a lot that seems...off about this story."
Not really the guy was a looser who didn't know his shit and realized it right away. he was nuts and how come all his post didn't get him arrested before hand.

[Nardz]

Unlikely.
A serious man wouldn't have ended up with a score of 0.
But everyone gets to live their truth these days, right?

[Ronbback]

A serious man would have waited for a shift change and done things differently and mainly not by entering a secured building

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Almost like ballistics is a thing to study

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

From above, I got impression that the nail gun's purpose was to break through the bullet proof glass.

[Brett Bellmore]

But the guy was supposedly in the construction trades, so why the hell would he think you could take out bullet proof glass with a nail gun?

Not saying that he was framed, more like he was an idiot with mental issues.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

No one said "a smart man."

[Foo_dd]

these are not intelligent people we are talking about.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

With a nail gun?

This was the dumbest fucking thing about the whole incident, besides the moron thinking he could penetrate bulletproof glass with it. Don't declare war and then bring something you picked up at Home Depot to the fight. If you really are going to be that exceptional, buy a pitchfork instead and then at least your demise will be metaphorical.

[Naime Bond]

Right now that seems to be the only 'gun' the left doesn't want to confiscate. This episode however may change that narrative.

[Azathoth!!]

I'm thinking that the nail gun was supposed to be his way through bullet-proof glass. And it didn't work.

[American_Socialist]

Alternative #2: idiot with a terminal case of false consciousness got what was coming to him. Can’t any of these Jan. 6th morons do anything but get themselves killed?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Yeah, he should have studied effective domestic terror tactics, and taken a rented SUV to the nearest parade.

[American_Socialist]

God, you Trumpian idiots sound more and more like ISIS every fucking day. Get some help… the sun is out. It’s a beautiful world outside.

[JimboJr]

Well in this case he was taking notes from the BLM guy who did it last Christmas.

I realize you would have known about this had the media not memory holed it the day after, and the media sources you consume would never allow you to hear about a black man committing a domestic terror attack against a bunch of white people. Theyve got the narrative to protect, after all

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Now we know who was running the Scott Rose sock yesterday.

[R Mac]

Too stupid to get the reference?

[DesigNate]

AmSoc is pretty fucking stupid, but he totally got the reference, but he’s got to play willfully ignorant for the sake of his preferred narrative.

[Naime Bond]

I was thinking they sound more like Jethro Bodine when they should be talking and thinking like 'Grannie'.

[Earnesto Concernada]

It’s kinda sad the way these MAGAheads don’t understand how Trump is just exploiting them. What do they have to show for 4 years of Trump, compared to what democrats have after just two years of Biden?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

What do they have to show for 4 years of Trump, compared to what democrats have after just two years of Biden?

Seems like everyone has the rampaging inflation, urban crime waves, and crippling debt. I don't know what you're bragging about here.

[Nardz]

Pretty sure it's a (intentional) parody

[BestUsedCarSales]

I would imagine given his name is a pretty good name for that. Earnest No Concern.

[rbike]

It seems this is the response from us deplorables that our current leaders/ media are going for. Instead, Mock, ridicule, speak up at the media and politicans. Treat them as the retards they are. (Sorry about the insult to the mentally challenged who I find preferable to be around )

[con_fuse9]

Well, SOME Trump supporters aren't not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. The QAnon, Trumplican nexus is real.

Back the blue until they come after you.

[sarcasmic]

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Angry About Mar-a-Lago Raid

Let's see which angry Trumpolyte doesn't show up. Nardz? Sevo?

[bevis the lumberjack]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[JesseAz]

Ideas! Never a troll!

[sarcasmic]

Do you clap your hands when you say "Arf! Arf! Arf!"?

[JesseAz]

Jeff tried that tact too. How cute you adopt each others behaviors.

[sarcasmic]

You didn't answer my question. Do you, or do you not, clap your hands when you say "Arf! Arf! Arf!"?

[JesseAz]

When are you and Jeff going to a concert for a shitty band from the 70s? Or just skipping to a truck stop bathroom?

[sarcasmic]

Ew. Your fantasies are gross.

[sarcasmic]

I haven't been to a 70s band concert since the 90s. Sorry to burst your bubble. Did see a few good ones. Aerosmith, Van Hagar, Steve Miller, and Yes to name a few. Good times. Thanks for jogging up the memories.

[JesseAz]

Literally nobody cares including your daughter.

Find real life friends. Nobody here cares about your personal life. That's we all make fun of the tidbits you share. It is depressing and you seem to be seeking empathy. You won't find it here.

[sarcasmic]

You're just jealous that I have a life as you post here sixteen hours a day, seven days a week.

[Mother's Lament]

Sarc's not really big on originality.

He copies me a lot too.

[JesseAz]

Yeah. Why his only attempt at actual conversation is usually just posting quotes even when not related.

[sarcasmic]

posting quotes even when not related

*snort* *chortle* *cough*

[JesseAz]

Still in denial of things you've said in the past despite them being linked. Weird delusion. But continue to go with it. Has worked out well for you.

[sarcasmic]

Bring it on, retard. So far every link you've posted has been cherry-picked, taken out of context, and deliberately misinterpreted. What do you have this time? I'm ready to embarrass you.

[Mother's Lament]

Some of my favorites:

sarcasmic
June.7.2022 at 12:19
Girls who dress slutty and get passed out drunk at parties shouldn't be surprised if bad things happen. Is that saying that they deserve it? No. Is that absolving rapists of fault? Hell no. There is a thing called inviting trouble.
What Babbitt did was unwise. She invited trouble. Trouble found her.

sarcasmic
November.2.2021 at 10:19 am
Chumby does. Pretty sure he's a Mainer. But he's got me on mute. You know, virtue signaling to Ken. Can't listen to someone who takes people's words to their logical conclusion. Only a progressive would do that, right?

sarcasmic
January.22.2022 at 9:05 am
Nothing says liberty like sucking down a scorpion bowl or two while driving home from getting takeout.

sarcasmic
September.13.2021 at 6:23 pm
Do you see any spaces? No? Then it is me.
The fact that you must, I mean involuntarily, believe that I was spoofing and impersonating myself shows that you are a retard or a liar.

sarcasmic
February.7.2021 at 2:27 pm
So there’s a difference between law (what society deems to be wrong) and legislation (rules backed with government force)?
No way!

sarcasmic
September.28.2021 at 7:08 pm
But please keep projecting. My lurker friends get a good laugh out of it. (Invisible friends, lol)

sarcasmic
September.9.2021 at 11:59 am
I’M EVERYONE AND EVERYWHERE!!!!!!! I DONT EAT OR SHIT OR PISS OR FUCK OR NOTHING!!!!! ALL I DO IS POST UNDER MULTIPLE NAMES 24/7!!! I HAVEN’T BEEN TO THE BATHROOM IN WEEKS!!!!

[sarcasmic]

Here's one for you:

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[sarcasmic]

I like that last one. It's what you guys really believe. Funny.

[R Mac]

Don’t forget the Cuban sandwich incident.

[Mike Laursen]

Same thought.

IIRC, Sevo has said he lives in the Bay Area, but it could be Nardz, who lives in the State of Anger.

[sarcasmic]

State of Anger

It's funny because it's true.

[Spiritus Mundi]

How will Reason react when they release the details of the warrant only to find out the FBI got it at tackledirect.com?

[con_fuse9]

How will you react when its revealed the warrant was legit?

Oh, by denying it and crying that we shouldn't dare to be-smirtch the holy name of "Trump"

[OpenBordersLiberal-tarian]

#BidenBoom update!

In 2022 Democrats have raised the minimum wage by: $0.00 / hour

In 2022 Reason.com benefactor Charles Koch's net worth has increased by: $7.55 billion

#LibertariansForBiden

[con_fuse9]

Literally has nothing to do with the article, but thanks for contributing.

[Commenter_XY]

Memo to FBI:

Fidelity, Bravery, Integrity...these were the values you were supposed to exemplify. You parrot them incessantly. The reality is the FBI is corrupt, abuses it's authority, routinely lies to the Courts, and has lost all legitimacy with Americans by betraying their ideals.

Maybe FBI employees should start looking over their shoulders until their behavior actually reflects their ideals of Fidelity, Bravery and Integrity. The problem here is not the reaction of the American people to the abuse by the FBI that is the problem here.

The problem here is the FBI has betrayed their ideals and doesn't want to be accountable for their betrayal.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

What is a better expansion of FBI?
Fucked Beyond Inquiry?
Fellatio, Beastiality, Incest?
Feckless Bastards Incognito?

[Longtobefree]

Fabricate Bullshit Indictments?

[rbike]

Full Blown Idiots.

Versus regular cops who are just regular idiots.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Felony Bullshit Instigators

[Ajsloss]

Aren't fidelity and integrity roughly the same thing?

[R Mac]

Fidelity is loyalty.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

Fidelity means you can be bought.
Integrity means you stay bought.

[Commenter_XY]

They are not.

[JimboJr]

lol

[Ronbback]

The FBI is not a bunch of highly trained university graduate professional as shown in "Silence of the Lambs" movie. Heard a report yesterday that the FBI had more accidental weapons discharges than actual use of guns during arrest.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

The FBI is not a bunch of highly trained university graduate professional as shown in "Silence of the Lambs" movie.

To be fair, the book was written about 35 years ago when the organization was a lot more competent in their operations, if not necessarily in their ethics.

[con_fuse9]

Yeah, the J Edgar version of the FBI was SOOOO much better.

I guess things haven't changed all the much.

[Kungpowderfinger]

Heard a report yesterday that the FBI had more accidental weapons discharges than actual use of guns during arrest.

This clip never gets old, too bad a bystander actually got by the Fucking Boogie-ing Idiot:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cfqwMQ5DNVQ

[Kungpowderfinger]

“got shot by”

[Weigel's Cock Ring]

HAPPY BAG OF SHIT TAX INCREASE FRIDAY BITCHES!!

It's about time we finally stuck it to all those millionaires, billionaires, and trillionaires out there! OK, maybe not the trillionaires since there aren't any.

Of course another phrase for millionaires and billionaires is "people who make most of the stuff we like and depend on". So when your prices for everything start going up even more than they already have due to this ginormous bag of shit being ramned down our throats, just remember that it's as Nancy Pelosi's parting "gift" to you before she retires forever at the end of the year.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Yes, and we all totally believe that it will *just* be millionaires and billionaires whose taxes go up.

[Longtobefree]

"OK, maybe not the trillionaires since there aren't any."
Re-elect the democrats and watch inflation create many trillionaires - - - -

[R Mac]

…who will all happen to be Democrats.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But totally not fascists.

[con_fuse9]

I'm starting the Bill Gates relief fund right now!

[JesseAz]

Can't wait for the lefties here to report the suppositions from Wapo and others about them finding nuclear secrets in Mar a Lago, even though the comments say the raid would be justified if it was TS/SCI such as nuclear secrets.

As for the random sites like News Nation being cited on Twitter.... why are agents leaking to them?

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/wapo-fbi-was-searching-trump-home-for-nuclear-documents/

Even that article is supposition outside of them finding TS documents.

But this has already been explained by Trumps team and his orbit. The documents under Crossfire Hurricane were classified. That is why Trump declassified them.

If he kept copies they are now unclassified even if still marked. He is was the classification authority and submitted the order.

Of course now the FBI will say publicly they can't disclose the documents so the rumors will be pushed as a narrative until the media accepts it as truth.

[JesseAz]

It will also be repeated the FBI went through the boxes in June. Trump was working with the agencies.

[A Thinking Mind]

To what extent are Presidents entitled to personal materials they might use to publish a memoir or autobiography? Or, as Guiliani has suggested, establish a Presidential library? I don't know anything about the legal minutiae involved here, it seems like there might be very lines here that people are trying to split.

[JesseAz]

There was an article on the national archives that in general a lot of it is kept by presidents in post presidency. Usually transferred to presidential libraries. Biden has thousands of documents at the University of Delaware. Obama kept thousands of documents for his as well.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

My understanding is that there is usually a bit of back-and-forth about what they can and can't take, but even when the former President oversteps, it's generally met with a shrug and a great deal of leniency and deference is given because it's the former President.

With Trump, all past traditions and norms of civility go out the window. There is no greater crime than being a threat to the establishment.

[Spiritus Mundi]

You know they are desperate when they are regurgitating the "Trump can't be trusted with nukes" talking point.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

He was secretly a Russian mole the entire time and even though he was President for four years, during which time he strengthened the United States economy and military, it was all part of an elaborate 69-D chess plan to bring down the U.S. during his post-presidency. Also, on top of that, he is lazy and has no attention to detail. So sayeth our resident lefty dumbasses.

[R Mac]

“69-D”

Sounds sexy.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Not if one side is the Donald.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Remember when Reagan was simultaneously a senile sleeping dotard and a Machiavellian criminal mastermind?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

All presidents are portrayed by the Other Team as simultaneously dumb as rocks, and evil masterminds of doom.

Bush was both a dumb hick from Idiotville Texas, and a mass-murdering dictator who hated Muslims and wanted to spy on everyone's library books.

Obama was both a narcissistic clown who was way over his head, and a radical Marxist who wanted to destroy America from within.

Trump was both a reality TV show moron, and a racist Nazi who wanted to hand over the nuclear codes to Russia.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

No one is accusing Biden of being secretly smart or diabolical.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

No no no. Biden is both utterly senile, and a closet left-wing progressive radical who used moderate bipartisan-ish rhetoric to usher in his plans to destroy America.

[sarcasmic]

Nobody is giving him that much credit.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

https://nypost.com/2021/02/01/biden-is-the-most-radical-left-wing-president-in-us-history-period/

"Biden is the most radical left-wing president in US history, period"

[sarcasmic]

Nobody is saying he's a mastermind like they said about Bush, Obama and Trump. Radical left-winger yes, diabolical genius no.

[JimboJr]

Not quite. He is utterly senile with advancing Alzheimer's dementia (not hyperbole, but directly observable) and radical lefties are pulling weekend-at-Bernie's with his corpse.

[Joe Friday]

Sure Jimbo, which is how he kicked Trump's ass twice in the debates - according to both polling and analyses - and has passed more legislation than anyone but LBJ, who had over 60 Democratic Senators.

I feel your pain loser.

[sarcasmic]

I didn't watch, but I have a difficult time imagining Biden beating a teleprompter in a debate, let alone another human being.

[JimboJr]

also according to polling, less popular than Donald Trump.

Getting tired of winning yet?

[Outlaw Josey Wales]

Kicked his ass. Ha!

Debate Question 1 - Mr. Trump, why do you love Russia so much? What is in it for you?

Debate Question 2 - Mr. Biden, why do you love ice cream so much? Do you prefer the sugar cone or the waffle cone?

[Kungpowderfinger]

No one is accusing Biden of being secretly smart or diabolical.

“Now you take that back, you lying dog faced pony soldier!” - Brandon

[sarcasmic]

What Derp said.

That was a big swing and a miss.

[Azathoth!!]

Bush was portrayed as a partying fratboy. Not a 'dumb hick from Idiotville Texas'

Obama was both a narcissistic clown who was way over his head, and a radical Marxist who wanted to destroy America from within.

These two stances are not contradictory. In fact, to believe any of Marx ass-brained ideas, being a narcissistic clown seems to be a prerequisite.

[Eeyore]

I want to go back to having a Russian mole as president. This China/Ukrainian mole we have now sucks ass.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

One of the more amusing aspects of Trump is that he was just another reality TV self-promoter until Hillary and the DNC helped boost him during the GOP primaries, thinking they had tricked the GOP into the weakest possible candidate, boosting their own egos at how clever they were, leaving them patting themselves on the back and too smug over their sure thing to actually pay attention to what was happening. I still have half a notion that Trump only ran because he liked the publicity and did not expect to win, or even want to win. Their increasingly desperate impeachment floundering showed they were still blindsided four years later, and these Hollywood produced Jan 6 hearings and this Mar-A-Lago search shows they have the worst TDS of anybody. They've got no chance to survive the midterms, probably scared to death of wondering what the next two years will bring, what with Hunter and Hillary hearings, Biden getting even worse, Kamala in the wings.

Laughing at politicians is the only thing keeping the country half sane.

[Briggs Cunningham]

There are a lot of funny things about the rise of Trump. I think one of the funniest is the GOP establishment and Conservative Inc. telling Republican voters that Trump couldn't be the nominee because "he wasn't a true conservative". They actually thought that charge was damning. They were so out of touch with the rest of the country and the rank and file of their own party that they had no idea that George W. Bush has destroyed the conservative brand to such a degree saying Trump wasn't a real conservative made him more popular. Trump won the nomination in 2016 because he wasn't a "conservative" as those clowns had made to word come to mean.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

I despise Trump's policies in a zillion ways -- xenophobic, economically illiterate, sometimes like there's no connection between brain and mouth, it's all random.

But I also think he is possibly the most open and transparent and even honest President and maybe politician of all time. He says what he means and means what he says. He pushed for his damn wall for four years; Obama pushed half-heartedly once for shutting Gitmo then shut up forever. You knew what Trump believed in. You never knew what Obama believed in, if anything.

I believe that is what so many voted for Trump. He was a breath of fresh air compared to the regular corrupt politician, who could not comprehend that concept and were scared to death of it regardless, like people fear snakes and spiders mostly from ignorance and irrationality.

[Briggs Cunningham]

I despise Trump's policies in a zillion ways -- xenophobic, economically illiterate, sometimes like there's no connection between brain and mouth, it's all random.

Sorry but actually controlling the border is anything but xenophobic. It is minorities and immigrants who are already here. The real xenophobes are the people like reason who just want an endless supply of cheap labor and welfare dependents. They don't care about how that affects the immigrants already here because they don't give a shit about anyone who isn't white and one of their ilk.

As far as "economic illiteracy", how is unrestrained free trade and allowing China to be a part of every supply chain in the economy working out in light of COVID? Globalism is the product of cynical self serving elites and various useful idiots who know just enough about political economy economics to be dangerous. I am sorry but the people who thought having an economy based on fiat currency debased at will and an industrial base moved entirely to a hostile power don't get to lecture anyone about "economic illiteracy". No amount of "but comparative advantage" or "Ricardo" is going to cause me to no longer believe my lying eyes.

People supported Trump because he was literally the only person in either party willing to admit the truth about globalism and what the uniparty had done to the country and the world. That is it. Trump didn't create a movement. He was just the only guy smart enough and ballsy enough to get in front of a movement that was already there.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Trump didn't create a movement. He was just the only guy smart enough and ballsy enough to get in front of a movement that was already there.

This right here is what so many of the political class, including both the Left, the establishment Republicans, and most of the journo-class, do not get.

They seem to believe that if they somehow eliminate Trump, everything will revert back to the way it was in the before time. Trump did not create this movement, and it will not disappear when he's gone. He just had the political acumen (whether from his days as an entertainer, an inherent ability, whatever, and whether or not he genuinely believed in the cause, it doesn't matter) to recognize what was their and capitalize on it.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Yup. And if they succeed in stopping Trump, the guy who comes after them will be much worse. They have no idea how reasonable Trump actually was as President. In many ways Trump was their last chance to make peace with reality. The guy that comes after Trump, won't claim to be a "deal maker" or promise to do anything but start putting heads on pikes metaphorically and if they are not lucky literally.

[Eeyore]

Hillary losing is still one of the funniest things to happen in years. I laughed for days.

[ElvisIsReal]

He wanted to get publicity to launch a new news network.

[mad.casual]

As I point out below, this is hilarious in the vein of accusing him as part of 'Russians stole the election!' The agents were there in June, told him to add another lock. Subpeonas were issued and, seemingly, complied with. The FBI, DOJ, *and* the National Archives are more inept about keeping track of nuclear secrets than your local library... or Donald Trump.

[Super Scary]

If they are bringing up that type of stuff again, I'll dust off this meme for later use -

"Former trump supporter here. Ngl it's hilarious watching him crash and burn. Seriously though we can't let him get his hands on the nuclear codes."

[JesseAz]

I see ENB is one of the lefties.

The latest news on the raid includes allegations that there were classified documents related to nuclear weapons among those seized from Trump.

Even the wapo article was speculating.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

The "allegations" are from pearl-clutching "journalists" who acknowledge that they have no fucking clue what the classified materials were so are assuming the worst because FBI good, Orange Man bad.

[JesseAz]

So many articles last night showed so much ignorance on the classification system. Many had comments like "material classified even higher than TS." There is nothing higher than TS. There is confidential, secret, and top secret. There are compartmentalized designation where they do background checks to grant need to know access, but the government classification is always one of those 3.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Hence, it is the "top" classification....

[R Mac]

But you forget “Ultra-Top Classification”.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

What about double secret probation?

[JesseAz]

An example. Here is wapos tweet.

The Washington Post
@washingtonpost
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FBI searched Trump’s home looking for nuclear documents and other items, according to people familiar with the investigation

It says they were looking for but in ENBs article it already switched to "there were."

[Super Scary]

"people familiar with"

Oh, we're back to that again? Sheesh.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

It's the semi-honest way to present fictional news.

[JimboJr]

"anonymous sources" started making people suspicious

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/DemocraticDesp1/status/1557942082903343107?t=a64OdsHP_VzPJq5OLfJxIA&s=19

CNN and MSNBC commentator thinks we have a set nuke passcode like it’s a Netflix account

Biden handing off a sticky note with the code on it to the next president like “now don’t lose this. The process to change your password is a bitch”

[Link]

[Nardz]

https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status/1557885802801160192?t=VsdTh3Gk8d_4t0k5RA8VDQ&s=19

Serious question now: Does Donald Trump have the nuclear codes at Mar-a-Lago?

Please tell me Biden changed them. Please please please please please.

[A Thinking Mind]

There's a comedy sketch to make about Trump changing all the passwords to "EATADICKJOE" and Biden is too senile to figure out how to change them.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

It would have been funnier if they had used Podesta's password for that.

[Mike Laursen]

One thing I have to give Biden credit for, unlike Trump, is that he will accept assistance from staffers and advisors. Like his little etiquette note cards.

[A Thinking Mind]

End of quote. Repeat the line. Exit to your right.

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

Like a dog accepts a leash

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Biden didn't update the email address connected to the account, so all the nuclear code reset requests go to Trump.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

My favorite was the contention that there were "dozens" of boxes of nuke docs.

The GSA was the one who boxed all the documents up, not Trump. If there were "dozens" of boxes, they would have been on the HHG shipping manifest, which should be easy enough to find in the White House records back when the FBI went through in June.

[A Thinking Mind]

Because Trump fired a ton of nukes during his time as President.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Was that during WWIV or WWV? I forget.

[Commenter_XY]

JesseAZ, I am reserving judgment until the warrant, and all supporting documentation, affidavits that go along with that warrant are published. The American people should see exactly what the judge (and AG Merrick Garland) saw in making his decision to sign off on the warrant. It will be immediately apparent whether this was political or not. People will reach their own conclusions.

Considering the stakes, and the gravity of what has happened here, waiting a week or two until we get transparency and clarity seems to be the right thing to do (at least, to me).

I will say this: Looks political to me.

[JesseAz]

The problem is they will hide behind the TS designations to censor what really happened and leave it to the rumors and unnamed sources to turn a narrative into a truth.

[R Mac]

Yep. We’re never going to see it all.

[JimboJr]

I have a feeling what will happen is they will obfuscate to the max, and their evidence will end up being:

"we cant show you for national security, but there was def some bad stuff there! Trust me bro"

And then we can resume season two of the J6 trials / third impeachment.

[Commenter_XY]

Then we know: It was political. And total bullshit.

November is not far away; the American people will render their collective judgment.

[Nardz]

We already know that.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Yeah, the TV networks always resort to cheap stunts during the summer break.

[JesseAz]

Also note these leaks only occurred after the intense blowback and 3 days of media silence regarding the raids. Many have already speculated it was a pretense to find J6 documents. If they found none they have to switch to a national security narrative to justify it.

The irony being they admitted Hillary had compartmentalized special access classified information that was marked on her server. That was known from reports. And no raid was ever pursued. They let her mine her server, delete emails, then wipe the entire server without even letting them see who may have accessed the servers.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

While handing out immunity agreements to all of her staff in exchange for information they could have gotten with a subpoena.

[Commenter_XY]

JesseAZ, yeah I am watching all of this. I mean, you'd think that the decision-makers who said - go ahead and raid the private residence of a former POTUS and likely presidential candidate in the next election - would anticipate a high degree of public skepticism and have thought through the reasonable request to publish the warrant AND supporting documents/affidavits - because of the extreme public interest here.

[R Mac]

Somewhat off topic but related: How confident were you that we’d find out who leaked the Dobbs decision?

[Commenter_XY]

I think the justices have known who the leaker was for some time, R Mac. We'll only know in hindsight.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Yeah, there's no benefit now in saying who the leak came from, simply because it would undermine trust in the court even more than it already has. All that drama is going to remain behind closed doors for a while.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

JesseAZ, I am reserving judgment until the warrant, and all supporting documentation, affidavits that go along with that warrant are published.

No, you can't reserve judgment. Unless your initial kneejerk reaction is "BANANA REPUBLIC" and you forcefully and loudly condemn it as such over and over again within mere hours of hearing about it, then you are on Team Blue who approves of raiding former presidents over bullshit trumped-up reasons.

[DesigNate]

The difference being that Commenter isn’t someone who only gives the benefit of the doubt to one party….

[Ronbback]

considering the known fake Steel dossier was used as evidence before by teh FBI I wouldn't put it pass them to use another faked document as a source. also remember when they sent a spy to Trumps people to mention the Russians had the emails then they sent another spy in a few days later to ask Trumps people if they had heard about that, which they had since it was the FBI who told them, but then used that acknowledgment as proof that Trump knew of the emails. Fakes and set ups all around no reason to trust anything in their affidavits. the FBI has been caught doing this to many times and entrapping to many people of all sorts of political view. they are the window breakers so that they can get the job of fixing them

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

They found massive amounts of oxygen in his house. And oxygen is only 7 count that! Protons away from hydrogen, a key component in fusion bombs

[R Mac]

I heard they actually found a nuke, and Ivana’s fake grave is an underground launching site.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

But this has already been explained by Trumps team and his orbit.

Yes. We should take Trump and his team at his word.

[Mike Laursen]

Well, have they ever made any false statements in the past?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

No, not a single one. Trump really did cut the national debt in half, there really are 12 articles in the Constitution, and the Revolutionary Army really did take the airports away from the British.

[Mike Laursen]

Maybe Trump plays Civ.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

We also know the FBI never lies about anything, ever. Honest as the day is long.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Gee, both Trump and the FBI sometimes lie.

So let's take Trump's statements at face value, and assume the FBI is always lying.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Assuming the FBI is always lying should be an automatic at this point, given their decades-long history.

[con_fuse9]

Sounds weird. "Crossfire Hurricane" was a Justice Department thing. TS/SCI is a DOD designation. Hmmm, sounds more like a QAnon or Trumplican rumor.

[A Thinking Mind]

Shiffer was later spotted by an Ohio state trooper who tried to pull him over, prompting a police chase that eventually ended in an hourslong standoff in a rural county between Cincinnati and Columbus. Shiffer reportedly raised a gun at police, who shot and killed him.

If he was white, they'd have brought him in alive!

[Vernon Depner]

He must have gestured toward his waistband.

[Jerryskids]

Thanks to all you assholes here who complained about ENB citing Mike Masnick all the time, now we're going to get a Mike Masnick cite every goddam day.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Days since ENB quoted Mike Masnick : 0

It worked for yglasias

[JesseAz]

Lol.

[R Mac]

Lol.

[JimboJr]

wasnt there an abortion counter too though?

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Never left 0

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Look on the bright side, as insuffereable as Yglesias is, at least she's not linking that soyface Aaron Rupar all the time.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Sometimes Reason, like the deep state, just likes to fuck with people.

[MT-Man]

Sorry!

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

These TechDirt screeds are slightly less readable than Hank Phillips

[JesseAz]

Bari Weiss reveals some of the interactions she observed at the NYT.

===========

During the interview, Weiss recalled a discussion among senior Times editors surrounding an op-ed submitted by Scott in the aftermath of the May 2020 police-involved slaying of George Floyd, the 46-year-old black man, in Minneapolis.

[…]

“Well, here’s what happened,” Weiss told Scott. “And this is the part I’m not sure if you know. There was a discussion about the piece and whether or not we should run it.”

Weiss continued: “And one colleague, a more senior colleague said to a more junior colleague who was pushing for the piece, ‘Do you think the Republicans really care about minority rights?’”

“Wow,” Scott said.

“And the more junior colleagues said, ‘I think Tim Scott cares about minority rights’,” Weiss said.

“And then, and here’s the pretty shocking part. The more senior colleague said, ‘Let’s check with Sen. Schumer before we run it’,” Weiss said.

She added that the younger colleague refused to reach out to Schumer due to ethics concerns.

***** another podcast.

[Smith:] “I want to ask about some edits that were made after publication, the deletion of the second half of the sentence: ‘The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr. Biden, beyond the hugs, kisses and touching that women previously said made them uncomfortable.’ Why did you do that?”

[Baquet:] “Even though a lot of us, including me, had looked at it before the story went into the paper, I think that the campaign thought that the phrasing was awkward and made it look like there were other instances in which he had been accused of sexual misconduct. And that’s not what the sentence was intended to say.“

[Commenter_XY]

I reading Weiss' columns at Substack. Great writer.

[Commenter_XY]

read, not reading.

[JesseAz]

Pelosi son is tied to Chinese firm as the 2nd largest share holder. They deal heavily in lithium, used in batteries. Used to heavily in green energy contracts. Who are about to get a huge US spending increase.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11102491/Nancy-Pelosis-son-investor-Chinese-telecoms-company.html

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

I'm sure she never, ever talks business with him, not even a single time, and we should just take her word for it because anything beyond that is unverifiable fake news.

[Super Scary]

The real question is, do Pelosi's son's business buddies refer to her as "the Big Gal"?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But due to the gender pay gap, she only gets 8%.

[Kungpowderfinger]

She’s certainly a big REDACTED

[JesseAz]

Fallout from the Mar-a-Lago raid?

Keep your fingers crossed ENB. Just like the muslim serial killer being a white man, whoops also muslim.

[sarcasmic]

And you accuse me of drinking in the morning.

[JesseAz]

You do drink in the morning? What is your comment even implying? She wrote an article with maybe in the headline. Her entire take is around a guess. The left does this often. Such as with the story of the 4 Muslims dead in Texas that shifted to a narrative if a serial killer. It wasn't. It was a Muslim man who knew all the victims and appears to be an honor killing as he didnt like his family member getting engaged to a man of a different Muslim faith system.

Sorry you remain ignorant on virtually everything. That is something only you can fix.

[sarcasmic]

Gin? Whiskey?

[JesseAz]

Maybe your responses make sense to other alcoholics. Can you call one of your friends to decode it for us?

[sarcasmic]

You've never heard of gin or whiskey? What kind of alcoholic are you?

[JesseAz]

I've heard and have both. What does that have to do with my comments? I see you chose an incoherent lane and are sticking with it.

Which words confused you?

[sarcasmic]

I've heard and have both.

Drinking both this morning? Wow. Must have really tied one on last night to need that much hair of the dog.

[JesseAz]

We already know your reading comprehension is poor. Reminding us isnt actually necessary.

[sarcasmic]

I suggest you avoid words with the "sh" sound in them unless you want to get caught by your boss.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Gin is fucking gross. Fucking fight me over this. I don't care.

[Eeyore]

A proper alcoholic drinks vodka.

[sarcasmic]

Not everyone likes to drink juniper berries.

[sarcasmic]

If you think gin is gross, try ouzo or arak. You'll hate it.

[JesseAz]

Gin is good when used correctly such as in negroni.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Her entire take is around a guess. The left does this often.

Have you *seen* how Team Red has reacted to the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago?

It is not a "left" thing. It is a tribal thing.

In the absence of concrete information, each team works feverishly to create a believable narrative that is plausible enough that casts the other tribe in the worst possible light.

So since we don't know what the actual documents are, Team Blue tribalists declare it was "nuclear codes" that Trump irresponsibly took because it makes him look like an utterly incompetent moron.

And since we don't know the true legal basis of the search, Team Red tribalists declare it was all an act of political retribution with no real legal basis at all.

That is just what tribes do. You should know, you do it daily.

[sarcasmic]

BOAF SIDEZ!11!one!!1!

[Mike Laursen]

It goes even further. I saw Team Blue tweeters yesterday who absolutely believe Trump has already sold nuclear secrets to the Saudis or Russians.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

It's 5 o'clock somewhere

[sarcasmic]

Anne Heche's life support will be TURNED OFF after the brain dead actress has her organs checked for donation: Family say 'she will be remembered for her courageous honesty and dearly missed '

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11104831/Anne-Heche-life-support-turned-actress-viable-organs-checked-donation.html

Detectives with a search warrant took a sample of Heche's blood and found narcotics -cocaine and fentanyl - in her system, LAPD spokesman Officer Jeff Lee said.

At least she was feeling fine.

[A Thinking Mind]

The statement continued: 'Anne had a huge heart and touched everyone she met with her generous spirit.

Including that innocent bystander whose house she annihilated with her final act.

The question is, who went out in a less embarrassing manner, her, or David Carradine?

[JesseAz]

See, if sarc was actually funny he would have stated the same.

[A Thinking Mind]

One thing I appreciate about Anne Heche-she died causing harm to other people, opening her up to mockery without it feeling like it's "too soon" even while she's still breathing.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Ellen degeras learned never stick your strap on in crazy

[Briggs Cunningham]

Heche all the way. She literally went out in a giant ball of fire. That beats choking to death while masturbating any day.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Mastubating or being engulfed in flame?

[A Thinking Mind]

Why not both?

[Vernon Depner]

If you could time it just right...

[sarcasmic]

The question is, who went out in a less embarrassing manner, her, or David Carradine?

They both died from brain damage due to a self inflicted lack of oxygen. He was in a closet and she was trapped in a car, so confined spaces for both. But him having his dick in his hand makes her the winner.

[A Thinking Mind]

Anne Heche's dick was too big to remain in her hand post-mortem.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Just like Bea Arthur's

[sarcasmic]

She was good enough to eat in that Harrison Ford movie.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Her dick was bigger than mine and 99% of the rest of the world.

[sarcasmic]

You're Asian?

[Briggs Cunningham]

No. It is that we are talking about Bea Arthur here. He dick is legendary, like John Holmes only bigger.

[sarcasmic]

I knew Bea was golden, but didn't know about the penis.

[JesseAz]

Why are all your attempted jokes based on racism?

[sarcasmic]

Dur dur dur drink more.

[Briggs Cunningham]

I cannot think of anything more embarrassing than dying jerking off. He would have been better off dying of a heart attack while fucking a sheep. At least then he would have just had a deal he was into.

[sarcasmic]

It's funny because it's true.

[Mike Laursen]

Just wait. It’ll turn out her home insurance has an Anne Heche exception in the fine print.

[sarcasmic]

Yours doesn't?

[Mike Laursen]

I’d like to think I live outside her radius.

[HorseConch]

You certainly do now.

[Mike Laursen]

One fucked up situation.

[Ronbback]

I guess Ellen Degeneres won't have to pay her spousal support anymore

[JAQO]

Well, rather than shooting innocent children…

[Michael Ejercito]

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Angry About Mar-a-Lago Raid

This is exactly like writing that the mob that attacked the White House on May 29, 2020 may havbe been angry about the death of George Floyd.

[Briggs Cunningham]

And one guy doing a suicide mission on an FBI office in Ohio is the dark night of fascism descending on America. Meanwhile, the Bernie bro caught outside Justice Kavenaugh's house armed to the teeth and with a plan to murder four or five Supreme Court justices is just a "local news story."

Such are the ways of the reason staff.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

But just think: if J6 had been about BLM, then all the participants would get medals in the Rose Garden and the media would produce specials about heroes of democracy.

[Michael Ejercito]

Sadly and tragically, you are right.

[mad.casual]

The latest news on the raid includes allegations that there were classified documents related to nuclear weapons among those seized from Trump.

The 'nuclear secrets' excuse is hilarious in much the same way the 'russians stole the election' excuse was hilarious. People used to worry about someone as incompetent as Trump having his finger on the button. Meanwhile the adults in the room:
(CUT TO THE PLANE: CHRIS CHECKS HIS BOX OF DOCUMENTS)
MERRICK: What's the matter? Honey?
CHRIS: I have a terrible feeling.
MERRICK: About what?
CHRIS: That we didn't do something.
MERRICK: You feel that way because we left in such a hurry. We took care of everything. Believe me, we did.
CHRIS: Did I turn off the coffee?
MERRICK: No. I did.
CHRIS: Did you lock up?
MERRICK: Yeah.
CHRIS: Did you close the garage?
MERRICK: That's it. I forgot to close the garage. That's it. (CHRIS sits back, still thinking)
CHRIS: No, that's not it.
MERRICK: What else could we be forgetting?
CHRIS: Nuclear Documents!

[Ajsloss]

Look what you did, you little jerk.

[Briggs Cunningham]

The funny thing about the new "we were looking for NUCLEAR DOCUMENTS" spin is that even if it is true, which is almost certainly isn't, who looks worse here, Trump for taking the documents or the FBI and the Biden Administration for allowing these incredibly super secret and valuable "Nuclear Documents" sit in an unsecured mansion in Florida for a year and a half?

I am starting to suspect that maybe the "top men" claiming to rule this country are morons.

[Overt]

When this all started up, there was a source that said some of this stuff concerned communications with Kim Jong Un.

It is not hard to see how the word Nuclear may come up in such documents. See, totally about the nuclear program.

[Briggs Cunningham]

From what I have heard, the "communications" are things like stuff written on cocktail napkins by foreign leaders that the national archives wants. So, it is probably a cocktail napkin where Kim Jong Un explained what Dennis Rodman is really like.

[A Thinking Mind]

And it seems like Trump, if he's planning to write a book (or really, hire a ghost-writer to write a book), he'd definitely want notes or recordings of his conversations with Kim Jung Un. That would make sense.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Either the top men are morons or they think we are (and no longer pretend to hide it).

[Briggs Cunningham]

It is both. They are morons and think everyone else is the same.

[HorseConch]

They are definitely morons. Look at how much shit they have fucked up in the last few years.

[Eeyore]

Starting?

[raspberrydinners]

It's a lose/lose situation regardless with you fanatics.

Either he should've been apprehended right off and you'd bitch or you bitch that he's finally called to it 1.5 years later.

Hell, look at the idiot we're talking about trying to attack the FBI. This is YOU GUYS. This is what you're responsible for.

Somehow everything is everyone else's fault except the fuckstick who has classified papers in his house that he never should have had the minute he stopped being POTUS.

JFC. Direct blame at your god king for one goddamn time.

[DesigNate]

Hahahahahahaha

Cry and seethe more shitlunches.

[American_Socialist]

God, the way you guys pwn yourselves in the mirror is very— pardon the expression— illustrative.

[Briggs Cunningham]

David Brooks is the sad clown of the mainstream media.

The New York Times columnist David Brooks worried Thursday the FBI's raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home will help his chances of electoral victory in 2024. Brooks further argued Trump's main message is that societal elites are ruining America, and that there is a lot of truth in that.

"Why is Donald Trump so powerful?" Brooks asked. "How did he come to dominate one of the two major parties and get himself elected president?"

He answered that it's Trump's "narratives" and "powerful stories that ring true to tens of millions of Americans," the main one being "that America is being ruined by corrupt coastal elites."

According to this narrative, there is an interlocking network of highly educated Americans who make up what the Trumpians have come to call the Regime: Washington power players, liberal media, big foundations, elite universities, woke corporations. These people are corrupt, condescending and immoral and are looking out only for themselves," he wrote.

Brooks admitted that "this narrative has a core of truth to it" and "highly educated metropolitan elites have become something of a self-enclosed Brahmin class." He argued, however, that "the Trumpian propaganda turns what is an unfortunate social chasm into venomous conspiracy theory."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-columnist-david-brooks-fears-fbi-raid-will-re-elect-donald-trump

So, according to Brooks it is true that the elites have turned into a "self-enclosed Brahmin class" but that is just bad luck and the real problem is everyone else noticing it and wanting something done about it.

Shorter David Brooks "Sure a corrupt, self serving, elite is running the country. And sure that elite is out to get the rest of the country, but that is just one of those things. How dare any of the people the elites are stomping get upset or try to do anything about it."

[mad.casual]

I LOL'ed at "According to this narrative, there is an interlocking network of highly educated Americans who make up what the Trumpians have come to call the Regime"

"An interlocking network of highly educated... and handsome... handsome and... popular. Yeah, an interlocking network of highly educated, handsome, popular Americans who make up what the Trumpians have come to call the, uh, Regime! Yeah, Regime! That's what they started calling it."

His obliviousness to the fact that he sounds like someone rational explained it to Jon Lovitz' pathological liar character and he sounds like the same character relaying it to the rest of the Pathological Liars Anonymous group.

[Briggs Cunningham]

The other funny thing is that he admits there is truth to the allegation. Exactly what truth are you talking about David? It is pretty hard to come up with a way there could be truth to the allegation that a cabal of interconnected coastal elites are running the country and everyone else in it into the ground and it be benign.

[BestUsedCarSales]

I'm going to give my one Hayekian style take on it. I don't know Brooks and make no claim that this is what he meant.
My big concern with conspiracy theory stuff, is that it implies that these people CAN do things better, but it's just the wrong people are in power. That is, they can make the economy run well, or they can make the trains run on time, and it's their own evil that prevents it. That makes me somewhat nervous, because I simply think it doesn't work that way and while I think there can be bad motives, the underlying issue is how centralized power is in general.

So, that's just a little addendum I thought of after reading your comment.

[R Mac]

From the techdirt article:

“Which, fair enough, that’s an accurate statement. But it raises questions about when you’re willing to push back against the government for trying to strip free speech rights.”

So let me get this straight, the current owners of social media are not to be criticized for censorship because muh private company, even as directed by the government, but if Elon Musk buys Twitter, well dog gone it, he better allow illegal language on there, or he’s a hypocrite?

[Briggs Cunningham]

Yes. That is the argument. Meanwhile, the people currently running Twitter are heroes of the people for taking instructions directly from the White House, the CDC, and God knows what other federal agencies about which people and ideas to ban.

[Overt]

It is really the stupidest argument from a guy who already made very stupid arguments. And the fact that ENB is just posting it without comment makes her either also stupid, or culpable of some really bad group think.

First of all, this guy is taking tweets and selected statements from other conversations and ramming them together to try and insist that Elon Musk really doesn't have a free speech mentality. In fact what it shows is that you can pick and choose people answering different questions and make them look contradictory- especially when they have to give concise answers that only Twitter does.

[JimboJr]

"makes her either also stupid" yes
"or culpable of some really bad group think." also yes

[BestUsedCarSales]

So, the Musk fanboys I don't really get myself. This seems like that weird opposite of reflexive Musk hatred. I also don't get that. He seems like an interesting guy, but he seems to not be quite as extreme in any way as people try to paint him.

I agree with that being a weaksauce rebuttal though. I also read that and was thinking "Meh."

[Overt]

This is the "Throw up whatever criticism I can" stuff that B-List writers do on twitter all the time. That article is terribly reasoned, unfair to Musk, and just flat out doesn't prove what it claims to prove.

But these asshole writers throw them out on Twitter hoping that a person like ENB will just tweet them on without reading or thinking about it, merely because it confirms their biases.

ENB doesn't like Musk because he is pissing off all the wrong people, so this is the second article from this ankle-biting idiot that she has passed on. It is full of hairsplitting and appeals to the guy's own authority as a "tech writer" to make a conclusion that she wants to see. And she passes it on without comment, for exactly those reasons.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

That article is terribly reasoned, unfair to Musk, and just flat out doesn't prove what it claims to prove.

Neither did yesterday's TechDirt Article.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

I have a long post that I simply haven't had time for, to deal with not only this techdirt article, but the last one that was posted (by ENB) in the morning links.

TechDirt seems to write long, contortionist articles essentially attacking free speech, while couching them in hand-over-heart odes to free speech.

Unfortunately it's an article length comment and I'm not sure if I can pull it off. But holy fuck are those techdirt writers some mendacious retards.

But their editorial position on free speech seems to boil down to: All speech that advances the noble causes of anti-racism, social and racial justice (two anti-free speech and anti-humanist and anti human rights ideals, btw-- collective justice requires collective punishment!) needs to flourish unabated online, but anything that a blue-haired twink at TechDirt declares (hate speech, Trumpy, supporting the White Supremacy, advances systemic racism) should be exorcised from the internet post haste-- not via government fiat (to be sure) but through the collective action of the Tech Oligarchy which (looks at watch) agrees with us on every social issue at this time.

They're mendacious little twats who are... in the end, anti-free speech.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Essentially, the reason TechDirt is going after Musk is the same reason the rest of the "Free Press" is going after Musk: they're terrified to death that he will release the Hounds of Free Speech on Twitter, and TechDirt can't stand the thought of having to see mean tweets.

[ElvisIsReal]

Musk exposing the shit Twitter is up to would be just as bad as him allowing free speech. The examples are pouring of government corresponding with big tech about censoring specific people. Alex Berenson got mentioned FOUR MONTHS before he was banned.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

But their editorial position on free speech seems to boil down to: All speech that advances the noble causes of anti-racism, social and racial justice (two anti-free speech and anti-humanist and anti human rights ideals, btw-- collective justice requires collective punishment!) needs to flourish unabated online, but anything that a blue-haired twink at TechDirt declares (hate speech, Trumpy, supporting the White Supremacy, advances systemic racism) should be exorcised from the internet post haste-- not via government fiat (to be sure) but through the collective action of the Tech Oligarchy which (looks at watch) agrees with us on every social issue at this time.

It shouldn't be a surprise that neo-marxists are promoting neo-marxist policies on free speech:

"Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements fromthe Right and toleration of movements from the Left. As to the scope of thistolerance and intolerance: ... it would extend to the stage of action as well as ofdiscussion and propaganda, of deed as well as of word."--Herbert Marcuse, "Repressive Tolerance"

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Oh no, it's very much out of the Repressive Tolerance playbook, even if unwittingly so.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Oh, and by the way I've been doing a little research on TechDirt and it sure didn't take long for me to find a separate example of their free speech contortions in an article defending section 230 because the beauty of Section 230 (according to the twin authors) was that it HELPED free speech by allowing the tech companies to ban all the icky speech that counters such things as "racial justice". Without section 230, they say, the internet would be full of racism, misogyny and white supremacy.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

That's not a shock, either. Sarah Jeong literally wrote the book (Internet of Garbage) on how to use the "private property" excuse to justify suppression of wrongthink on social media. She didn't get that gig at the NYT because of her "unique voice," after all.

[Briggs Cunningham]

https://pagesix.com/2022/08/12/anne-heche-not-expected-to-survive-car-crash/

Anne Heche is not expected to survive her recent car crash, where she was coked up and drove her car into someone's home. It is a shame when anyone dies tragically and was a troubled as Heche seems to have been. Her death is also a real loss to crazy sexy. Heche achieved a level of crazy sexy that few women ever have. Bravo Anne, bravo.

[mad.casual]

You're giving OBL a run for his money.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

That's sad. I've always had a... complicated perspective on Anne Heche, but this is a real tragedy. It seems (assuming the coked up part is all true) that she never really was able to get her shit together.

[Longtobefree]

"Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Angry About Mar-a-Lago Raid"

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Batshit Crazy

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Mad At Someone Working There

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been A Democrat Plant

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Targeted By IRS

The possibilities are endless.

[Briggs Cunningham]

You forgot

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Entrapped Into Doing So By the FBI.

Whenever there is a high profile crime, the FBI having put the person up to it is never a bad guess.

[Nardz]

Especially when no FBI agents are harmed in the supposed plot to harm FBI agents

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Confused the FBI With His Cable TV Company

[JimboJr]

would anyone fault him for that level of aggression if it was Comcast? I sure wouldn't

[Sevo]

"More evidence that Elon Musk isn't the free speech warrior that many think he is:"

Followed by someone's opinion on twitter. Yep real "evidence" there; evidence that ENB ought to be writing in the 'fashion' section of some newspaper.

[Mother's Lament]

Speaking of ENB it looks like White Mike created a sockpuppet to take us all to task for dissing her Democratic Party narratives.

Daddyhill
August.11.2022 at 4:50 pm
Some here seem to relish making ad hominem attacks on Elizabeth Nolan Brown. This just a quick, dirty, and lazy way to disagree with someone who looks into relevant issues as thoroughly and honestly as she can. Will she get things wrong? Of course. Do you guys know a bit more about some things than she does? Possibly. But she is a competent and (mostly) respected journalist who doesn't hide behind a clever alias. Reminds me that I shouldn't do that either; I just happen to be a Peninsula War junkie, but never mind. My name is Jonathan M. Ramlow, PhD, MPH. All comments accepted by [e-mail] and responded to by same (I'll try anyway).

https://reason.com/2022/08/11/walgreens-helped-fuel-opioid-crisis-in-san-francisco-says-judge/?comments=true#comment-9645294

I've never seen the nick "Daddyhill" post here before, ever. I did some LinkedIn, Google, ratemds and healthgrades searches, and though there's a ton of Jonathan M. Ramlow's out there, only two are in healthcare and neither have a Master of Public Health and a doctorate.

[JesseAz]

Thats just sad and pathetic.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Well, he came to the right comment section then.

[JesseAz]

Apparently he may be a NYT contributor which explains a lot.

https://archive.nytimes.com/well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/16/the-vitamin-problem/

[JesseAz]

Never mind. Just a commenter there. Not contributor.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Who is White Mike?

[Mike Laursen]

C'est moi!

[JimboJr]

Did anyone tell him to get off her dick, she likely isnt going to make him a sammich?

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

“as thoroughly and honestly as she can” - that’s good stuff. OBL is dethroned

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Or she could write the Neighborhood News column in the local weekly Shopper.

[Sevo]

At one time, Tony claimed to be an editor, probably the Whispering Oaks Gated Community "Dog Walkers Weekly".

[damikesc]

Hey, fashion sections have SOME standards.

[Briggs Cunningham]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/manchin-net-favorable-rating-drops-29-points-after-reconciliation-deal/?taid=62f5b4de1a1c2c0001d14ca1

Joe Manchin's net approval rating nationally drops 29 points after he takes his bribe and signed onto the reconciliation deal. I thought the bill was wildly popular and was going to save the Democrats in November. Why isn't Manchin a hero?

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

The public is fickle and will forget about this next time there is major legislation up for vote. Don't forget, this is his second major bribe in two years. His wife made bank when Manchin voted to approve the first "Infrastructure" bill in 2021. The fact that his approval rating even had 29 points to lose shows how little attention the public is paying.

[Briggs Cunningham]

I don't think so. Obamacare was passed in summer of 2009. The public still remembered it and was still very pissed off about it in November of 2010. The Democrats just raised taxes on pretty much everyone during a recession and high inflation. That is not something that is going to be forgotten or get better with age.

[Nardz]

Didn't Reason write an article about Manchin saving our democracy/economy or something?

[Briggs Cunningham]

They wrote several as I remember. I guess Manchin's savior status had an expiration date.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Nationally doesn't really mean shit; it's whether West Virginians are okay with it that ultimately matters.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Do you really think they are more okay with it than nationally? Seriously, think about that and get back to me.

[D-Pizzle]

Odd way to announce that you're not running for reelection in 2024.

[Think It Through]

#metoo causes men to be more cautious about working directly with women?

Another "color me shocked" research finding.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Still waiting for #methree

[I, Woodchipper]

Did they spend money on this study?

[sarcasmic]

Putin's biggest fan Steven Seagal calls himself a 'diplomat' as he appears on Russian state media and defends visit to Donbas prison where Ukrainian POWs were burned alive

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11105979/Steven-Seagal-defends-visit-Olenivka-prison-Russian-state-TV.html

Nardz has a black belt in aikido?

[JesseAz]

More ideas! Never a troll!

[Sevo]

Please do not give that lying pile of shit any attention at all; being ignored is death to that asshole.

[Foo_dd]

TDS TDS, piece of shit, SQUAWK.

[Sevo]

Fuck off and die, asshole

[Foo_dd]

SEVO want a cracker.

[Sevo]

Fuck off and die, asshole

[Foo_dd]

SQUAWK

[raspberrydinners]

King snowflake makes his appearance, right on time.

[Mother's Lament]

What a bitter little schmuck you are, sarcasmic.

[sarcasmic]

Boo hoo. Call your mommy.

[Mother's Lament]

Can I call yours instead?

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

What are the odds that Reason staff take turns posting as sarc? On some days, his comments are generally on-topic and restrained. But on other days he comes out as an antagonistic dick.

[sarcasmic]

I'd say the odds are about the same as JesseAz or Mother's Lament being paid by the RNC.

[Mother's Lament]

Pretty big waste of cash seeing as we're always shitting on the GOPe.

[raspberrydinners]

You fucks do nothing but defend Trump and the rest of the fascists every goddamn day no matter what they do.

God, I think I'm less sad that you're not being paid to do it as it's pathetic as hell.

[Mother's Lament]

Says Tony, regurgatating fascist establishment narratives about the working class.

[JesseAz]

It depends on his hangover. But even on days he is restrained he doesn't contribute much and the first time someone points out where he is wrong he loses it.

[JimboJr]

The way it looks, is sometimes he posts while drinking. That explains it best

[BestUsedCarSales]

We don't joke about Segal here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zad8u7Tzi0

He gave us this scene. He can do whatever else he wants to do in my book.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

So he's the Sean Penn of the Ukraine war.

[Sevo]

"Former police officer gets one of longest prison sentences for Capitol riots"
[...]
"The pair reportedly did a ‘victory lap’ inside the Capitol building after gaining access, then posed together for a selfie...."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ex-cop-in-capitol-riot-gets-7-plus-years-in-prison-matching-longest-january-6-sentence/ar-AA10zlqq

Didn't know that victory laps had been outlawed, but he was "armed" - with a stick.
Oh, and they also got him on that unpaid parking ticket.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

I'm glad we elected Democrats, who are so deeply committed to criminal justice reform.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Yes they are, but also committed to intersectionality, social justice, and race reparations.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Seven years for running around the Capitol and taking a selfie. Looks like reason has finally found a long prison sentence it can defend.

Remember, the guy who forged evidence in the FISA warrant application for Carter Page, didn't spend a day in jail and didn't even lose his license to practice law. Hunter Biden smokes crack and puts the video of that and him engaging in human trafficking with Eastern European hookers and he isn't even charged.

But we don't have a two tiered justice system where the elite are above the law or anything. Nope, that is just a right wing meme. A Conspiracy theory.

[Mother's Lament]

The new Reason Magazine - Washington Post narrative aimed at libertarians.

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

Or a WAPO narrative presented as a parody of libertarians.

[A Thinking Mind]

Hunter Biden smokes crack and puts the video of that and him engaging in human trafficking with Eastern European hookers and he isn't even charged.

Him spending a ton of money on a two-week binge with Russian hookers isn't necessarily human trafficking. And I'm fine with not charging people for using crack/cocaine. Not because I support crack usage, but because I'm for drug legalization, even for people I dislike. If I don't apply my principles to people I dislike, my principles are worth jack.

Surely there's better, more damning things you could say about Hunter Biden.

[Briggs Cunningham]

What is and is not "human trafficking" is not the point. The fact is that the US government's position is that frequenting hookers is participating in human trafficking. They may be wrong in that but that is the position. And that is the rule applied to everyone but Hunter Biden. If they had evidence a Republican was seeing hookers, you better believe they would have a Mann Act indictment in a New York minute.

[Sevo]

beat me to it.

[A Thinking Mind]

I'd rather complain about unjust prosecutions than go after people who aren't being prosecuted, though. You need a direct comparison and not a hypothetical comparison.

I mean, Weiner actually did go to prison for his offenses, so it's clear that not all Democrats are immune to being charged and registered as sex offenders. (Though I think his name didn't help him any)

[Briggs Cunningham]

Some Democrats are. Those Democrats would be black Democrats and white Democrats who are no longer useful to the party. The law is, however, always and ruthlessly applied to anyone who isn't a Democratic insider.

[Nardz]

Weiner humiliated his wife, Huma- Hillary's right hand woman.
He went down because he pissed off more powerful Party members, not because some democrats are subject to consequences.

[JimboJr]

^ this.

He was becoming a mix of too much baggage plus he was doing to Hillary's assistant what Bill did to Hillary. Honestly surprised we haven't heard he had a tragic accident yet.

[Social Justice is neither]

So you ignore it on one side but it cannot be talked about on the other,great double standard there. They went after Cauffeld relentlessly for much less but that is of no concern.

[Sevo]

"Him spending a ton of money on a two-week binge with Russian hookers isn't necessarily human trafficking. And I'm fine with not charging people for using crack/cocaine. Not because I support crack usage, but because I'm for drug legalization, even for people I dislike. If I don't apply my principles to people I dislike, my principles are worth jack."

Agreed, but the point here isn't regarding what should be legal, it's simply illustrating how un-equal the application of 'justice' is.

[Derp-o-Matic 6000]

Yeah, the drugs and hookers thing, salacious as it may be, is just a distraction. The big issues are the bribery and corrupt use of the office of the vice president, as well as the obvious financial crimes and tax fraud.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Yeah, but those are Joe Biden's crimes more than Hunter's crimes.

[JesseAz]

His videos and words show him transporting them on a train across state lines which qualifies it as him trafficking humans since they were prostitutes. Don't agree with the law, but that's why it is discussed with him.

[Briggs Cunningham]

They went after Eliot Spitzer for the exact same crime. Why not Hunter? Far be it for me to have any sympathy for Eliot Spitzer but all he ever did was hire expensive hookers and take them across state lines.

[JimboJr]

and if the Rittenhouse trial showed us anything, its that apparently crossing state lines is the worst thing one can do

[D-Pizzle]

Plus, if they arrest him, we won't get any more of those hilarious videos. It's like a train wreck, but even funnier.

[Reshufflex]

Yep. There’s darkness at noon in DC. It might be an exaggeration, but not a crazy one, to figure at this point that Garland’s species of political justice is based only its nexus to Trump.

Sick.

Except, the larger issue is whether the “fish rots from the head” or whether Garland is just a mouthpiece, and his strings are being pulled.

In either case, the system has now become politicized and weaponized to the point where the republic is slipping.

[Briggs Cunningham]

The entire point is to convict Trump of some kind of process crime that makes him ineligible to run for President. That is crossing a line that shouldn't be crossed and has never been crossed before in this country's history.

As far as Garland goes, he is clearly a nasty, pathetic, tyrannical little man. It doesn't matter if he is acting alone or at the behest of someone else. He works for Biden and Biden clearly doesn't have a problem with this or he would fire Garland.

[Reshufflex]

The COTUS would have to be shanghaied for a process crime to…make Trump ineligible. The requirements don’t foreclose on felons, even.

Good luck with that. But you’re right in the general sense. Trump represents-and is maybe the vanguard-of ideas that these statists hate, and fear.

As to Garland, he’s a pure government hack. You can always spot them, the real fakes in power, when they use as a pretext for their abuses, the old “ no one’s above the law” gibberish.

[Mike Laursen]

So, no reserving judement until we, say, find out more about the story about Trump taking nuclear-related documents? Or we find out more about the warrant and property list? Or we find out how much Trump did or did not cooperate?

[JesseAz]

We know how much he has cooperated dummy.

[Reshufflex]

What Jesse said.

[Mother's Lament]

Mike list a bunch of things that we already know. I'm looking forward to hanging the "nuclear-related documents" bit around his neck.

[Sevo]

He and Kim discussed the differences between nuclear and extended families, triggering the FBI 'bot's algorithm.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Yeah Mike, it is not like you can make any judgements based on common sense and past behavior and use a little deductive reasoning. In your case, you really can't do that. So, given your intellectual limitations, you probably should reserve judgement. The rest of us who have better than room temperature IQs, don't have to do that. We are lucky like that.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Where "common sense and past behavior and use a little deductive reasoning" means "paranoid-fueled narratives and selective interpretation of past events to justify the result I am seeking"

[Briggs Cunningham]

That is what it means to you Jeff. That is because you are stupid. Since I am not stupid, I don't have that problem. It must be so hard going through life being utterly stupid and dishonest. If you were not such an asshole, I would almost feel sorry for you.

[Mother's Lament]

"Hi, I'm chemjeff, and I couldn't refute you so I'm going to fling shit"

[Moonrocks]

So, no reserving judement until we, say, find out more about the story about Trump taking nuclear-related documents?

You mean like anyone anywhere providing any shred of evidence that this ever happened?

[Moonrocks]

....Or we find out more about the warrant and property list? Or we find out how much Trump did or did not cooperate?

So basically we should just assume that Trump is guilty until he can prove otherwise? This is all information that a lawful, transparent police force would provide before raiding a dissident's home.

[A Thinking Mind]

The longest sentences are going to people who refused to plea, of course. I was wondering about the people who actually broke glass, or who were actually attacking officers with hockey sticks and flagpoles. There's at least a dozen people who committed actual crimes of violence or against property, but the longest sentences are going to people who walked inside while armed, without convicting them of actually performing violent acts.

[Briggs Cunningham]

There's at least a dozen people who committed actual crimes of violence or against property,

FBI Agents almost never go to jail.

[Briggs Cunningham]

According to a new poll from Convention of States and Trafalgar Group, the majority of Independents, 53.9%, believe Trump’s political enemies are behind the FBI Raid. They join 76.7% of Republicans who hold the same view. The two groups are also aligned on enthusiasm to vote based on the FBI raid. The spectacle increased the motivation to vote for 83.3% of Republicans and 71.7% of Independents.

Then there is this little tidbit

The word “illegal” is also ridiculous, and the lengthy explanation makes it sound like Barack Obama did not leave with 30 million documents. The National Archives do not have a single digital upload from that stash as of today.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/stacey-lennox/2022/08/10/poll-mar-a-lago-raid-backfires-spectacularly-on-democrats-n1620067

[creech]

I'm wondering how the November "Red Wave" is looking? In Penna. it would appear, right now, that the GOP Senate seat will be lost.
Bernie Sanders Fetterman has an 11 pt. lead in the polls (but only 7 pts. in GOP's internal polls.) Some of you commentators around the country: where else are there Senate races where the GOP is likely to pick up seats, lose seats? Taking the House without taking the Senate will hamper investigations into lots of nefarious doings.

[A Thinking Mind]

Herschel Walker is trailing Warnock in the polls, but I would wager that Walker is performing better than polls have shown. I think he's got a good chance, good enough I would consider putting some money on it.

[Briggs Cunningham]

According to 538 today, it is Warnock 46 to Walker 44. That is within the margin of error, especially in a state race poll, which are generally inaccurate.

If Walker is behind, he likely isn't behind by much, especially when you consider the general bias against Republicans in polls. My guess is that the race comes down to turnout. Whichever side is more motivated to show up and vote is going to win. That likely will be the Republicans especially after the Marlargo stunt. But, a lot can change in two and a half months.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2022/georgia/

[Unicorn Abattoir]

Oz was a bad endorsement (Trump is nothing if not a fame queen). He doesn't seem to have a lot of visibility. Even though today will be Fetterman's first public appearance in over 3 months, he's got the momentum.

Fetterman's got plenty going against him. In addition to his recent stroke, he relied on his parents for financial support into his 40s (he admits this). He can be beaten if Oz can run a competent campaign, but I don't see any evidence that he can.

[Briggs Cunningham]

The Oz versus Fetterman race might be the most clownish and pathetic excuse for an election in the entire country. WTF is wrong with Pennsylvania?

[creech]

The Dems best candidate decided to run for Governor. And the GOP primary was really crowded so the Trump-endorsed Oz squeezed by.
Typical "professional" Republicans (RINOs) in the Scranton/Scott/Spector/Toomey mold can win in Penna. general elections, but probably can't win a GOP primary these days. Santorum was an exception and you see how that turned out.

[Briggs Cunningham]

The last two Republican Senators from Pennsylvania were as best I can remember Rick Santorum and Arlan Spector. Say what you want about Oz, but he can't be any worse than that and is likely better in some ways.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Best I can gauge from the limited amount Oz talks politics, he's just a democrat. I would have kept Toomey, but, hey, I don't live in Pennsylvania and so it's their business not mine.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Oz is a very bad candidate. It's not really clear that he even wants to run. It often seems like a whim that got out in front of him.

[JesseAz]

Mark Kelly has been spending like crazy but Blake masters is nearly even with him already in Arizona.

[JasonAZ]

And, GOP turnout will be high. Even before the Trump FBI Raid, GOP primary turnout was so high, some voting stations ran out of ballots. Unless there is shady bullshit going on again, I'd be shocked if AZ doesn't have a red wave across most of the state.

[Dillinger]

>>If you know of any protests or attacks, please post here.

among much that makes no sense about this story, is difficult to believe anyone posted this ^^ on the internets

[Foo_dd]

have you seen the stupid shit people put on here? never underestimate the stupidity of the frenzied tribalism obsessed.

[Dillinger]

I literally only post here and not even Nardz crosses that line. It looks fake.

[Foo_dd]

it looks less fake after the guy shows up armed with body armor at an FBI office.

[Mother's Lament]

No, not really.

[Foo_dd]

people who do crazy shit have a high occurrence of saying crazy shit.

[Mother's Lament]

Smells, doesn't it.

[Moonrocks]

Why? FBI agents posts stuff like that all the time.

[I, Woodchipper]

More evidence that Elon Musk isn't the free speech warrior that many think he is:.. — Mike Masnick (@mmasnick) August 11, 2022

Well if Mike Masnick says so then I guess it's true!

[Mother's Lament]

Masnick definitely wouldn't lie unless he thinks its convenient.

[BestUsedCarSales]

Seriously, read the attached article if you want more chagrin.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Is it any more substantive than "Electric Car Man Bad"?

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

Any politician who spams me will no longer be eligible for my vote. Fuck spam and fuck the politicians who want to force me to read their unrequested junk mail. Don't care if they are the 2nd coming of Christ.

[mad.casual]

Denying the miracle of Spam and Phishes? Blasphemer!

[Longtobefree]

I am not a preacher, but trust me on this; when Christ returns, it will NOT involve email.

[Mother's Lament]

"Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Angry About Mar-a-Lago Raid
Fallout from the Mar-a-Lago raid?"

"Remember folks, It's not a politicized FBI acting like Stasi that's the problem, it's your reaction."

This is what I and a lot of others worried about after we heard of the raid. The powers that be will use the reaction to the raid to further attack anyone who opposes the party.

Nuts like this guy, who didn't really do anything, aren't going to move the needle enough for them, so they're probably going to do something more spectacular themselves.

And before you pooh-pooh it, remember that the FBI is currently running an entire squad of field officers routinely posing as fake racist protesters called the "Patriot Front", the Whitmer affair and Ray Epps.

They need to do something big to move the needle before midterms.

[Briggs Cunningham]

If there ever were any doubt about the truth of what you were saying, that doubt ended when it turned out the FBI orchestrated the plot to kidnap the Michigan government. It wasn't just that they encouraged people to do it. The paid FBI operatives initiated and orchestrated the entire thing. The guys who were charged were not really guilty of anything. The whole thing was done by the FBI informants and they were set up as the fall guys and ended up being let off entirely once the whole sorted affair got before a court.

If the FBI will do that, they will do anything.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Where did this meme start that the Patriot Front are actually FBI agents? I'm curious to see where this nonsense actually started.

[Briggs Cunningham]

The FBI would never do that. It is not like the FBI didn't orchestrate a kidnapping plot against a sitting governor or anything or once operate the largest child porn distribution network in the world for months on end.

It is just unthinkable that the FBI would ever run a front organization or any kind of false flag operation. Just because they have a long history of doing exactly that and worse doesn't mean they are still doing it or anything.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

It's not "unthinkable", but where is the evidence that Patriot Front are in fact FBI agents?

There are plenty of possibilities that are not "unthinkable". The way rational human beings sift through these possibilities in order to form a logical, rational conclusion is by examining evidence. So where is your evidence?

[Dillinger]

>>where is the evidence

lol dude. totes up-front and transparent undercover false-flag group.

[Mother's Lament]

Watch them load up. Totally not feds.
https://youtu.be/cwEEEOwdAuM?t=65

[Dillinger]

the fashionista is hilarious.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

So what about that video specifically makes you think that they are feds?

[Mother's Lament]

You know exactly what. Stop playing ignorant.

[Mother's Lament]

"So where is your evidence?"

You mean like signed affidavits from the FBI saying that they're operating a front?

[chemjeff radical individualist]

You have signed affidavits from the FBI stating that Patriot Front is an FBI front organization? Really? Does Fox News know? I'm sure they would love to take a look at those affidavits.

[Mother's Lament]

Yes Jeff. I have signed affidavits from the FBI stating that Patriot Front is an FBI front organization and Fox news does know.
Also, let me introduce you to this little marvel.

Fucking moron.

[JesseAz]

That network of child porn is why jeff loves the fbi.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I don't know about Patriot Front, but the Boogaloo Boys in 2020 were obviously a total glowie op, which was further confirmed when any mention of them in the press completely disappeared after about 3 months.

[damikesc]

Yeah. Never heard of Boogaloo Boys before 2020 and you never hear of them now.

[Mother's Lament]

"I'm curious to see where this nonsense actually started."

No you're not, you disingenuous fuck.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

Oh. Would this be like how you claim you are "just asking questions" of me when your real purpose is to try to bait and troll me and find ammunition you can use against me later on? Like that?

[Mother's Lament]

I've never once claimed to be "just asking questions" of you. I've always made it perfectly clear that I regard you as a paid propagandist. Why would I waste my time convincing someone who is paid to lie? I engage you to refute you, not convince you.

My purpose in asking questions is to force you into explaining the basis for your claims, because they're always horrific and fascist if not diabolical.

I've always been clear on that you whiny fuck.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

"Remember folks, It's not a politicized FBI acting like Stasi that's the problem, it's your reaction."

And your reaction to it IS part of the problem when it is so outrageous that it leads people to go try to murder FBI agents as their only recourse to 'save the country'.

It matters way less for randos on the Internet, but it does matter for people in positions of leadership, to whom many look up to. Like Trump.

True leaders understand that their words carry more weight than some typical Internet rando and they act accordingly. Narcissistic demagogue like Trump, however, don't.

[Mother's Lament]

Yeah, you got your talking points yesterday.

It's not state fascism that's Jeff's problem, it's that the proles might get mad and rebel.

[Mike Laursen]

Trump understands that his words carry more weight than some typical Internet rando, and he loves playing with that power.

[Briggs Cunningham]

Those words wouldn't have any power if Biden and the Democrats would stop making a truth teller of out of him. Remember when he said the FBI was tapping his phones and people like you dismissed it out of hand? Good times.

If you are so worried about the power of Trump's words, maybe you should pull your head out of your ass Mike and ask yourself why those words have so much power. Just a suggestion.

[raspberrydinners]

Heaven forbid the government actually punish criminals.

And it's "politically motivated" only because, ding ding ding, it's always conservatives breaking the fucking law!

Stop breaking the law asshole!

[JasonAZ]

Hunter Biden on line 1

Hillary Clinton on line 2

Andrew Cuomo on line 3

Sandy Berger on line 4

[sarcasmic]

The angriest Trump acolytes have all shown up, so it wasn't them.

[BestUsedCarSales]

I flipped off an FBI building one time. In my wild youth.

[Mother's Lament]

I said rude things about Comey.

Now sarc's going to have to narc on us, I guess.

[Naime Bond]

A man armed with the truth is an army of one; an army of one attacking an FBI building makes us all look stupid. I'm starting to worry i.e. if a revolution or Civil War comes about will people like him become our Generals?

[Mike Laursen]

A new Civil War would require Americans to put down their Starbucks and cell phones, so ain't gonna happen.

[Think It Through]

This is exactly right. Our populace is wayyyyyyyyyyy too comfortable to exit the A/C, put down the McDonald's, and fight a civil war.

Not.
Gonna.
Happen.

[Fats of Fury]

Armed Man Killed After Trying to Enter Cincinnati FBI Building May Have Been Angry About Mar-a-Lago Raid

Meh. He was probably just trying to pick up his check.

[Briggs Cunningham]

They probably screwed him out of the money they owed him for being an agent provocateur.

[Longtobefree]

Best thought today

[BestUsedCarSales]

Where in the heck is Fist?

[Mother's Lament]

I haven't seen Chumby in ages either.

[Fist of Etiquette]

This has been another Day Without Fist of Etiquette.

Hope you all used the time to reflect on what you could lose.

[JasonAZ]

Noooooooooo!!!!

[Fist of Etiquette]

Exactly.

[Moonrocks]

Truly it was an awful day.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Yeah.

[Winnie SC]

Did he shout "this is Maga country"?

[Social Justice is neither]

Remember when Reason writers cheered assaulting a federal building and attempting to murder everyone inside, seems like just a couple of years ago.

[But SkyNet is a Private Company]

• The disappearing differences between Republicans and Democrats on federal family spending.

Reason hates children almost as much as they hate Republicans.

There is no spending, nothing unlibertarian, and nothing irresponsible about Rubio’s plan.

First off, allowing parents to keep more of their own money is neither spending nor unLibertarian.

And countering the Ds proposal of mandatory paid leave with a plan of voluntarily advancing Social Security benefits, and therefore pushing back your later eligibility, neither spends anyone else’s money nor is it a bad idea. Especially when it solves a ‘problem’ without an expensive expansion of the government like Ds will bring

Just shit analysis that betrays the idiotic biases here

[mtrueman]

True or false:
A bullet is fired from a horizontally fired rifle. In the same instant, another bullet is dropped vertically from the same height as the rifle. The two bullets hit the ground simultaneously.

Bonus true or false:
Los Angeles California lies to the east of Reno Nevada.

[Briggs Cunningham]

The first one is true. Vectors add to each other. They don't cancel each other out unless they are opposite. So the bullet fired from the rifle's considerable horizontal vector has no effect on its vertical vector towards the ground brought on by gravity.

The second one is true as well. Fun fact, El Paso, Texas is closer to San Diego than it is to Houston.

[Cyto]

Other fun fact...

The life of Jesus was closer to the launch of the space shuttle than to the construction of the Great pyramid of Giza.

And the Great Pyramid (2500bc) is closer to the Space Shuttle (1981) than it is to the Sphinx. (7000bc)

[raspberrydinners]

May have been? C'mon. Guy was a devoted Trump follower just like a bunch of other idiots on here.

He was a domestic terrorist and got too good of an end. Quite frankly I hope a lot of other people on here are being looked at by the FBI.

[Mother's Lament]

How was he "a domestic terrorist".

[damikesc]

rd would be telling authorities that Jews are hiding in places too.

State above all, eh?

[Libertarians are dickless losers]

Somebody took their snake flag consumer lifestyle too far.

[Mother's Lament]

Denmark outlaws the COVID vaccines for children

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/denmark-bans-covid-vaccines-for-children/article_f9f70ba0-18c4-11ed-89cc-3b914fdcb391.html

[Mother's Lament]

New York Times editor wanted Chuck Schumer to OK the op-ed by GOP Sen. Tim Scott

https://nypost.com/2022/08/11/bari-weiss-new-york-times-editor-wanted-schumer-to-ok-tim-scott-op-ed/

[Fist of Etiquette]

The FBI says Shiffer was "armed" when he tried to enter the building, but it's unclear with what he was armed.

DRAMA QUEENS

[Fist of Etiquette]

One thing I noticed from Elon Musk's counterclaims against Twitter: it shows how little he actually cares about free speech, and his willingness to embrace authoritarian crackdowns on free speech.

I don't know Musk's true thoughts, but wouldn't these likely be legal tactics?

[Fist of Etiquette]

Overall, I show women’s productivity falls post #MeToo, largely due to fewer collaborations with men.

Pickles everywhere stuck in their jars.

[Moonrocks]

Men and women not collaborating means women's, but not men's, productivity falls

I'm shocked that hate speech like that is even allowed on Twitter.

[Fist of Etiquette]

The program would exempt these emails from "forms of spam detection to which they would otherwise be subject."

EVEN EMAILS CONTAINING ELECTION DENIALISM???

[Fist of Etiquette]

More on all those new IRS agents.

Who knew electing a Democrat would have consequences.

[Mother's Lament]

So weird seeing Fist posts at the bottom and not the top.

[Hiding In Plain Site]

It was a mostly peaceful protest.

[chemjeff radical individualist]

^^^ FBI agent provocateur

[Mother's Lament]

^ Shill

[raspberrydinners]

Imagine threatening LEOs and getting offended when someone calls you out on it.

Pathetic, in every sense of the word.

[Mother's Lament]

Hi Tony.