It's OK To Warn Sexually Active Gay and Bisexual Men They're at Greater Risk of Monkeypox
Good public health messaging must be comprehensible, accurate, and actionable.

America is approaching 10,000 diagnosed monkeypox infections, a higher number than any other country in the world.
The feds are still struggling to get doses of the monkeypox vaccine from Denmark to the U.S. and over to local health agencies in the cities that have seen the most infections. Due to the lack of vaccines, city and county health departments are carefully portioning out doses, which necessarily means determining which citizens are at the greatest risk of unwittingly contracting and transmitting monkeypox.
And this, to be clear, is overwhelmingly men who are sexually active with other men. As a gay man in Los Angeles, I managed to get my first dose of the Jynneos monkeypox vaccine last week. I'm supposed to get a second dose at the end of August, but the vaccine shortage has Los Angeles County focusing on getting first injections out and worrying about the second shots later.
I have also, as a responsible person who doesn't want to be covered with painful rashes and blisters, adjusted my own behavior and have not for the past couple of months been rushing out to have lots of sexual activity. Monkeypox is not technically classified as a sexually transmitted infection—it can be exchanged through saliva and through contract with the aforementioned rashes or anything the rashes have come into contact with—but the strain that is currently spreading across the U.S. seems resistant to spread through short-term casual contact. Instead the evidence strongly shows that it's being spread through bodies rubbing against each other via sexual activities. There have been a few exceptions, but sex between men has almost entirely been the mechanism for monkeypox's current spread. According to the current data from Los Angeles County, 99 percent of the infected are men. Less than four women number among the 496 infections in the county database.
Unfortunately, while some health officials have been very good about informing sexually active gay and bisexual men about this risk, there is still a remarkable unwillingness among some officials to say outright that sexual activity can be risky and that this primarily affects gay and bisexual men.
Los Angeles County's prevention page does clearly explain how sexual activity with somebody with monkeypox lesions can spread it, and the background section notes that most cases have been among gay and bisexual men. It does, of course, note that anybody can get monkeypox through being in close contact with someone who is infected, but it provides a clear sense of who needs to be the most concerned.
Contrast that with Oregon public radio's interview with Dr. Tim Menza, an adviser with the Oregon Health Authority. When interviewer Jenn Chavez asks him the best ways to reduce the risk of contracting monkeypox, Menza flat-out refuses to use the word "sex":
And then the things that then move up in scale are things that include more prolonged skin-to-skin contact. Like perhaps massaging an area with skin that is affected by [monkeypox], or hugging in contact with skin that is affected by [monkeypox]. Or perhaps cuddling. The other thing is we know that when we talk about respiratory secretions we think about saliva too. So things like kissing or sharing a toothbrush might be a little bit higher risk.
And then the things that have the most risk is when there's that really direct prolonged skin-to-skin contact with the sores, the scabs or the fluids of the rash.
Yes, it's true that such prolonged exposure need not be sexual, but it's just incredibly bad to not actually say sex. It's Chavez who finally brings up the fact that transmission is primarily taking place between men having sex with each other. And this is part of Menza's response:
In the United States, we know that people assigned male at birth who have sex with men and people assigned female at birth, including at least one pregnant person, have been affected by [monkeypox] in Oregon. We know that cisgender, men and nonbinary people are affected by [monkeypox]. While most identify as gay or queer and report close contact with people assigned male at birth, we have cases that also identify as straight and bisexual and report close contact with people assigned female at birth.
This absolute mess of a response essentially says "monkeypox infects all kinds of people." Menza is not painting an accurate picture of who is at the greatest risk. Perhaps he doesn't want women or heterosexual men to think they they're immune. But the end result is an incomprehensibly muddled public health message that doesn't say what it needs to say.
Menza says the state tends to rely on "community partners to do a lot of the community engagement and communication to folks who are most affected by" monkeypox. So the state's health department is outsourcing the effort to reach the people most at risk and is using its much larger media access to send out muddled messages that inaccurately imply that we're all at equal risk of infection.
Similarly, when President Joe Biden's administration declared monkeypox a national emergency last week, the "money quote" from Secretary of Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra was, "We urge every American to take monkeypox seriously, and to take responsibility to help us tackle this virus." But most Americans don't actually have to do anything at all, and many of the Americans who do need to do something—gay and bisexual men—can't "tackle this virus" because Becerra's own agency has done a dismal job of getting vaccines where they need to be.
And so gay and bisexual men have to take responsibility for doing what we can to temporarily reduce the risk of helping monkeypox spread.
The emphasis here is on "temporarily." Part of the media handwringing over monkeypox (and there's been so much of that that it arguably serves as the public health messaging the government is failing to provide) has been whether it's appropriate or even effective to be attempting to convince gay men to engage in "abstinence" given the general experience of stigma that was the hallmark of the years of the worst of the HIV crisis. But there are some very significant differences here.
First of all, HIV fueled an already existent stigma about homosexuality that has since significantly declined. Yes, there are some antigay conservatives out there who are blaming the gays for the spread of monkeypox, but they were going to do that regardless of what public health leaders say. And they just don't get the public attention that they used to back when everybody was afraid of HIV. Health departments are not meaningfully protecting gay and bisexual men from this "stigma" by being shy about providing proper warnings about sex.
The other big difference was at the time, HIV was deadly and uncurable. Part of the stigma was connected to a sense that if you were gay and sexually active in any way, you would get it and you'd have to live with it until you died. HIV is still not quite curable, but it is suppressible and much of its stigma is now long gone.
Monkeypox is a miserable, painful experience that you don't want to go through, but it's rarely fatal and it's over in about a month. It's not HIV. It's a serious problem, but it's a temporary one. This is not some blanket, long-term demand for "abstinence."
It's simply not good public health messaging to tie these two completely unrelated viruses together simply because they're affecting the same demographic. That's actually something the antigay types are doing. There's a lesson there.
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What ever happened to we're all in this together?
It got beat to death by "everyone for themselves".
“Good public health messaging must be comprehensible, accurate, and actionable.”
I dunno…sounds like a naaazi. Hahaha
Takes one to know one, I guess.
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You’re a Nazi. A Holocaust loving Nazi.
I have never advocated national socialism and have challenged anyone to prove otherwise. All trolls choke.
I have provided evidence that refutes the holocaust. None have refuted it. All choke when fed the challenge. This is a crime punishable with imprisonment in every nation where it allegedly occurred. Many who ostensibly advocate free speech don’t bat an eye when forced to recognize this coercive censorship.
The bigoted trolls simply bleat “naaazi” like brainwashed sheeple have been programmed to.
It’s hard to imagine a civilization of bigots, because it can’t exist. Civilization requires considering counter arguments. If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
When you can refute what you deny and prove what you claim you won’t be what’s wrong with society. Until then, you are.
I like to feed the bigoted trolls what they can’t / won’t refute and laugh when they choke.
You’re choking. Hahaha
You deny the Holocaust, you whitewash Nazis, you defend an Anti-Jewish Putin and his Wagner Henchmen, so that's good enough to be called a Nazi!
Fuck Off, Nazi!
I’ve provided irrefutable evidence that demonstrates the holocaust narrative could not have occurred.
That makes every Nazi a victim of a seditious hoax.
Putin is defending his borders against the US working with Jews and Nazis.
These are the facts that you can’t refute and are choking on.
Bleating naaazi like a brainwashed sheeple wont change the facts. Hahaha.
Nazis advocate public death, not public health!
Fuck Off, Nazi!
Naaazis.
Jews and Nazis are very similar. In fact history shows that Jews have behaved worse for a much longer time.
Both part of satanic secret societies, Jews claim ownership of the Freemasons, Nazis the Thule society.
Nazis considered themselves the master race, Jews the chosen people.
In fact Nazism was the result of the behaviour of Jews.
In WW1 Jews betrayed Germany by bringing the US into WW1 in exchange for the Balfour declaration, Britain’s illegitimate promise of Palestine.
This recognition and the German peoples suffering under the treaty of Versailles and the Weimar Republic changed their perception of Jews and they effectively democratically elected the Nazi party.
Then Jews globally declared war and promised to bring a world war to Germany and they succeeded with global boycotts giving Germany only two alternatives, abdicate democracy or war. They chose the latter.
Then after millions of more deaths, Jews stole Palestine beginning the last 76 years of the Middle East conflict, wars terrorism more death and destruction.
Israel is an apartheid state.
The holocaust is a lie. What’s a Jew without the bullshit Nazi narrative?
Only what you can’t refute, above. Choke on it. Hahaha
It's not everyone for themselves, it's us against you.
Americans versus democrats.
We ARE in this together.
In solidarity with Shackford and his ilk, I, too, will not be having sex with men.
#MeEither
Nice
Meh, lots of long termed married men can do better than that: they're not having sex with anyone!
Same here. The rectum is not a sanitary place for any appendage. No matter what the gender of the rectum owner.
We should all be in together for buying sexbots! If enough of us do it, the monkeypox goes down and the price of sexbots goes down too!
Now that's what I call Freakonomics! 😉
This is the modern day - you don't buy a sex bot, you lease one and license the software for a subscription. Every act and position can be had for and additional subscription fee or a larger, pay per act, fee.
If you let your subscription lapse the bot has a headache. And every two years they withdraw software support and brick the hardware.
DCMA also make it illegal to modify or jailbreak.
And God help you if you need a repair from your Apple Authorized Sex Bot Repair Shop.
"I have also, as a responsible person who doesn't want to be covered with painful rashes and blisters, adjusted my own behavior and have not for the past couple of months been rushing out to have lots of sexual activity."
If only there was a fool-proof way to end this new pandemic in "two weeks".
The funny thing is, even when we were teaching retarded high schoolers abstinence, the goal wasn't to make them chaste for life. Just to be more selective and deliberate about their activities and the consequences incurred.
You wouldn't even have to be abstinent to end the monkeypox pandemic in two weeks. Just stop buttfucking random strangers outside your peer bubble with open sores.
Adults are free to bang any other consenting adult as they please, but when the main source of transmission is through open sores, how fucking hard is it not to transmit?
Apparently telling gay men not to have gay orgies with random strangers is reductive. It's such a hard topic to broach that it took Scott nearly a dozen articles demanding daddy sugar save him before personal responsibility was even considered a possibility.
We need more descriptive terms than "sexually active" for this.
More degrees of terminology. I feel like we've basically conflated all sexual acts into one blob. Like, sex with your monogamous partner is different from sex from your new sexual partner, is different from sex with a stranger you just met, is different from an orgy.
The fact that it's 2022 and nobody knows what the fuck a peer group or 'bubble' is makes me think controlled nuclear fission is the wrong way to go.
I would venture to guess that a penis goes into a butt and/or mouth at some point.
First of all, go on...
Second, I meant more delineations of levels. We really speak obliquely about this stuff, which is interesting, when this really is a question of casual sex with strangers more than anything.
But seriously, go on...
This is intentional to keep up the pressure and make it seem scarier than it is. Even as a gay man you are at low risk if you exercise a modicum of sense and restraint so you're not sticking your dick in every random body that passes near.
Apparently it's really hard for gay men to not do that though.
To be fair though - straight men don't do this because women won't let them.
Yeah, when you're getting more dicks in you in one long weekend than most straight women get in their whole lives 'sexually active' isn't a powerful enough of a descriptor.
Maybe so. But above all else we must let everyone know who is most responsible for monkeypox — Ron #DeathSantis. Just like Reagan was responsible for AIDS in the 1980s.
#ILoveScience
ROFLMAO!
"It's OK to warn sexually active gay and bisexual men they're at greater risk of Monkeypox... but ONLY because of Monkeypox and for no other reasons scientific or political." - Scott Shackford
Hard to tell if you're really bad at coming out of the closet or if you just really enjoy slamming the closet door on your dick.
But most Americans don't actually have to do anything at all, and many of the Americans who do need to do something—gay and bisexual men—can't "tackle this virus" because Becerra's own agency has done a dismal job of getting vaccines where they need to be.
I mean just, wow. "We can't continue to be consequenceless buttfucking sheep unless the government subsidizes the consequences of our incessant buttfucking up to the minute!" I'm not sure if you're trying to sell libertarianism to homosexuals or homosexuals to libertarians, but you're terrible at it.
I mean, that a LGBT site ran a link to a Shackford article is how I first found Reason and started doing a deep look at libertarianism.
Reason's comment section is why I decided that libertarians/Libertarians were a group I had no interest in being a part of.
If the fact that libertarians think unprotected sex with open sores should be handled by the people having unprotected sex with open sores turns you away, it may be time for a little introspection. The vast majority of us are completely ok with everyone's lifestyle as long as it doesn't harm our own, but to pretend monkeypox is anything but a rampant, unprotected, gay sex problem is ludicrous.
That's a lot of words I didn't say.
But hey, feel free to add yourself to the list of people who made weird and spurious assumptions about me. You're in terrible company.
Please fuck off; make us all happy.
No.
Firstly, I come around here for my own reasons, chief among them that you are a vaccine against an ideological bubble. I will never be the person going "how could anyone be this horrible?" so long as I read the Reason comment section.
Second, if you --or anyone else-- has given me the power over your happiness such that I can change it --for better or worse-- that is a personal failing of you and not on me at all.
Second, if you --or anyone else-- has given me the power over your happiness such that I can change it --for better or worse-- that is a personal failing of you and not on me at all.
Which is what I said. If you're solely dependent on the FedGov to prevent you from getting monkeypox, *especially monkeypox* that is a personal failing and not on the government, libertarians, or anyone else.
Yet you're still here . . . curious.
From what I've read about the vaccines, it's a great pitch to sell libertarianism to anyone.
It's not a situation like Covid where the vaccine needs to be developed and that development needs a lot of up-front capital to be put at risk. With this virus, there are millions of doses of the vaccine in existence, and the issue that's preventing them from getting brought out of storage and distributed to where they'd be beneficial is some kind of FDA "red tape" and the willingness of the agencies tasked with distributing doses to acknowledge where risks are the highest.
According to CDC, the incubation period of the virus is 17 days maximum though; lacking airborne transmission and a high rate of asymptomatic carriers, and with cases still numbering in the hundreds locally (assuming most/all cases are being detected), it seems like a properly applied 3 week quarantine period should be able to nearly or completely end further transmission. Unfortunately, the idea of "two weeks to flatten the curve" along with other dogmatic authoritarian responses over the last couple years have destroyed the credibility of many of the "authorities" who are supposed to be there to help with these kinds of issues.
It also doesn't seem like the situation of a virus which could probably transmit as easily during intimate/sexual contact among hetero as well as homosexuals but which currently happens to be spreading primarily among homosexual men is something that should be hard for "experts" to explain or for the public to grasp. There's a difference between the virus being inherently more likely to spread within particular groups and that the virus currently happens to be spreading mostly within a particular group, and that the lack of involvement with members of other groups is the primary reason for the lack of significant additional spreading.
Just one point, anal sex is more likely to transfer disease that requires fluid exchange than vaginal sex. Vagina's evolved for the purpose of sex, and because of that, they are pretty good at during sex not getting the small nicks and cuts that allow other people's body fluid to touch your blood stream. Anuses, kind of like mouths, didn't have the same evolutionary pressures, and they are much more prone to the types of injuries that STDs adore.
"In the United States, we know that people assigned male at birth who have sex with men and people assigned female at birth, including at least one pregnant person, have been affected by [monkeypox] in Oregon. We know that cisgender, men and nonbinary people are affected by [monkeypox]. While most identify as gay or queer and report close contact with people assigned male at birth, we have cases that also identify as straight and bisexual and report close contact with people assigned female at birth."
Identify. Assigned. Cisgender. Nonbinary.
LOL. El. Oh. F'n El.
WTF is happening?!?!
I'm sure this helps clarify things for somebody who is already very, very confused.
WTF is happening?!?!
The collapse is what's happening.
When things get scarce, we should just take whatever we need off the left and let them starve, freeze, etc.. This is all their fault anyway. Let them suffer before they die.
I'm reasonably certain that fuck is not happening to the originator of that word salad.
It's just migraine inducing stupid at this point.
Today my health care provider sent me an email about monkeypox that avoided mentioning it is commonly sexually transmitted. Totally useless.
Sue him for trying to out you to your wife. When anybody asks if you're gay reply, "What difference does that make?"
"Hello, everybody. AIDS has both sexes running scared. Research studies now project that one in five--listen to me, hard to believe--one in five heterosexuals could be dead from AIDS at the end of the next three years. That's by 1990. One in five. It is no longer just a gay disease. Believe me."
In the United States, we know that people assigned male at birth who have sex with men and people assigned female at birth, including at least one pregnant person, have been affected by [monkeypox] in Oregon. We know that cisgender, men and nonbinary people are affected by [monkeypox]. While most identify as gay or queer and report close contact with people assigned male at birth, we have cases that also identify as straight and bisexual and report close contact with people assigned female at birth.
This may be the worst paragraph ever written. Ever. It is a Kafkaesque circle-jerk of untruths being spewed by a person who doesn't believe a word of it, to people who don't believe a word of it, with neither group willing to admit they don't believe a word of it.
It's not whether or not you believe the lie, let alone recognize the lie, it's that they can tell you the lie and you won't do anything about it. You won't question it, and in fact, you will also repeat it. That's power.
A few short years ago we were told the argument was that "sex" and "gender" were separate concepts and one could be of the Male sex and for gender be a woman. Now, the same group of people regularly mix the terms up so there is no difference. It makes no sense to say someone is "assigned male", as if it was a decision made by bureaucratic whimsy, rather than an inherent condition observed and recorded. If their theories on gender dysphoria are correct, it may be possible that the person's mind does not match their sex, but that does not mean they are not of that sex. It does feel like an Orwellian manipulation of the language by malevolent class of elites.
the use of the term "Gender affirming surgery" means that sex and gender are intractably intertwined and they know it.
Gender reaffirming surgery is ... like when a hot chick gets her boobs done, right?
Someone there is ready to be upset if they misspeak though.
I agree that the wording is Kafkaesque and tortured, and that it's so overly verbose that the point of it gets hard to decipher. I don't see what part of it is fundamentally untrue, though.
If the purpose of language is to communicate, I'd agree that the graf at issue here is a general failure. If the purpose is to signal buy-in with the dogma of "inter-sectional" newspeak, then it's a shining success...
There's nothing about gay men or thier sexual activities which makes inherently more suceptible to this virus, but since the spread happens during activities which generally only involve other gay men that's where it's currently spreading; the primary factor keeping it from spreading beyond that group is simply lack of intimate contact between gay men and hetero men or women of any persuasion. If the spread continues unabated though, bisexual men will at some point get exposed in significant numbers and become something of a conduit for exposure into hetero women and then into hetero men. Since everyone's sexual activities generally involve a lot of skin-on-skin contact, the virus being more present in other communities will certainly lead to more spread within those groups.
LOL
I don't see what part of it is fundamentally untrue, though.
The untruths I was referring to was not that gay men are more susceptible to monkeypox, but the subtle untruths being communicated by refusing to call anything, or anyone being alluded to as what they are, with the further suggestion that those things that everyone knows are real and exist, are merely social constructs created by power language and societal discourse.
People assigned male at birth who had gender affirming surgery making them other-than-male-sexed having contact with other male-at-birth, non-uterus-having-persons who were assigned male-at-birth who have also had gender affirming surgery who they (plural) were touched by them (singular).
So perfect!
Putin choosing this time to invade Ukraine was not an accident. In fact, the more I consider the timing, the more genius his plan appears to have been.
Then what better time for China to poke Taiwan?
But the good news is, the 780 billion dollar bill to raise taxes and build windmills passed, so it's been a good day. /sarc
I'd say that Pewtin's Ukraine debacle has probably made Taiwan safer. Xi is a scumbag, but he's a clever scumbag, and he can see that corruption in the CCP is at least as pervasive as it is among Pewtin's bootlickers.
It's plain to see that Russian corruption led Pewtin to vastly overestimate the combat effectiveness of his mercenaries and conscripts. He wasn't expecting all the logistical problems that happened due to equipment maintenance funds being plundered to buy yachts and hookers.
The CCP has more cannon fodder than any other terrorist gang on earth, but as we've seen on the Indian border, murdering unarmed Uighurs and Tibetans isn't adequate training to fight free men, properly equipped, who are fighting to protect their home and loved ones. Taiwan has a highly competent air force, and no shortage of anti-ship and air-to-air missiles to drown the cannon fodder and blow up paratroops in their transport planes.
If the CCP attempted an invasion of Taiwan, the economic hit they'd take would be at least as drastic as the one Russia's struggling under currently. Coming on the heels of the real estate crash in progress, China's whole economy could fall harder than ours did in the Hoover/FDR depression.
-jcr
Oh! Happy Day!
I hope you're right, 'cause I will not be surprised if the "october surprise" is a PRC grab for Taiwan.
Pewtin launched his attempted land-grab due to a total failure of deterrence. The last time we had such an egregiously incompetent empty suit in the white house, we got the Tehran Vaudeville show.
The goatfuckers handed over the hostages on the eve of Reagan's inauguration because they knew damned well that holding them was an act of war, and Reagan would have gone to the congress like FDR did on December 8, 1941, and probably gotten a unanimous vote to declare war.
-jcr
Camille Paglia on the collapse.
Trigger warning: 2016. When the gender liberation ideology feminists are more on point than Mainline Libertarianism.
I was just thinking this weekend, remember the thin slice of time when the #leanin and #metoo movements were assuring men that women weren't having seats taken away from men at the table, they were just making sure their were more seats with more women in them?
Funny as shit that in grab bag of genders, where more could be added entirely whimsically, somehow, the chair for women has gone missing.
>emember the thin slice of time when the #leanin and #metoo movements were assuring men that women weren't having seats taken away from men at the table, they were just making sure their were more seats with more women in them?
No, I really don't.
Those movements, especially MeToo, seemed directly focused at completely demonizing men, right from the get go.
Somehow, when I heard Emma Watson ask, "If not me, who? If not now, when?" I got the impression she wasn't exactly picturing Rachel Levine and Jessica Yaniv replying "Not you. Us. But, yes, now!"
What might be the most ironic and unintentionally funny outcome is the vision of me, the embittered, misogynistic culture warrior, desperately hanging on to the chair for women and keep it at the table as a trans man attempts to drag it away.
When evangelical Christians and radical lesbians can agree something is wrong, and they do when it comes to transgender lunacy, they probably have a point. Just saying.
What do you think a post-collapse US looks like?
It'll look remarkably like Putin's regime.
Look out Canada!
It will likely involve you roasting in a spit when we starve your elitist buddies out.
We just need to criminalize male gay sex for two weeks to ben the curve. The criminal ban on male gay sex won't go on any longer than that, promise.
As much as I would love to slam the CDC here, there is nothing the CDC could say or do short of just throwing gay men in jail, that is going to keep gay men from engaging in the most disgusting and risky sexual practices possible. It is what gay men, or most of them, do. They all know they can get monkey pox and they don't care. It is what it is. I guess they like catching viruses or something.
Come on, now. You're going to round up gay men and put them in a cage together? That's going to stop the butt-fucking?
Leave 'em there long enough to let it run the course and the problem goes away.
Though I shouldn't post sarcastic shit like this. After 2020 some portion of people might take such a suggestion seriously.
I'm going to give the author credit for stating the obvious. This was a reasonable article with only a tiny bit of ridiculousness at the end (AIDS was an uncurable death sentence, so therefore we wouldn't have told the people most likely to catch it to take the one action that could prevent them from catching it?). It's a low bar, but reason mostly cleared it. Good job.
I'd give him credit if this was two months ago and his first article on the disease, but it's not. He's been hyperventilating that uncle sugar needs to give him his vaccine and it was transmissible to everyone easily so we should all freak out with him.
Weird that. Once a member of the ' our betters' in-group believes its health, safety. or life is threatened, the hectoring lectures to the proles stop and the pleading begins. To be fair, shackford is generally only an apologist dickhead 3 out of 4 times.
Life isn't fair, and sexually transmitted diseases will affect those who engage in frequent trysts with a lot of partners. No we are not "all in this," at least as far as who need to alter their behavior and for how long. Funny to watch the government and its catamite media parse their words and engage in avoidance over this.
This is not the fault of gays.
This is the fault of men who routinely have unprotected anal sex with strange men.
I mean, seriously. The first PSA was "please get the phone number of the men you bang, so we can do contact tracing."
... in your comment section.
Seriously, does Shackford just not know how homophobic his own readers are?
That word no longer has any power. Too many cries of "wolf".
I mean... it's being spread through gay sex (and presumably it wouldn't be spreading fast if there wasn't a culture of having sex with multiple partners in a short time frame, and anyone who gets it *and* spreads it is apparently also disregarding whether they *or* their partners have active lesions, and it's even worse when you consider that people now *know* about it and apparently many are still engaging in this activity anyway) so I think we can blame the gays here without actually being homophobic.
You are free to do whatever you like, dude.
And I am free to draw on a decade of experience on this site and call y'all homophobic.
"and call y'all homophobic."
If you are too much of a child to handle the facts, its likely a result of the modern prog movement coddling your weak mind so much that intuitive information said out loud is offensive.
Pretty much everyone is saying put the breaks on the rampant ass sex for 5 minutes, and then itll be all good. Or dont, as libertarians no one cares if you suffer consequences due to your choices.
But this is no different than me telling an alcoholic that if they keep it up they might get into some sort of accident and get cirrhosis. That's just how it is. It certainly wouldn't make me "anti-alcohol" or "alcohol-phobic" (yes this concept highlights how silly the term homophobia has become).
But if your widdle feewings cant hear that the sky is blue and grass is green without being offended, then that's your problem not ours.
Wrong the commenter dont give a crap about who you screw. Most of them are rightly pointing out that
1. It is predominantly among promiscuous gay men.
2. No libritarian would ever argurle that it is the goverment job to bend over backwards to provide a bail out due to reckless behavior.
The commenter have been pretty consistent with this going back to befor the auto bailouts.
How is it homophobic to make that claim when it is generally acknowledged that the outbreak is almost entirely in gay men because of activities that gay men tend to engage in?
Of course it isn't all gays. But if it weren't for the activities of some gays, it wouldn't be a significant outbreak like it is.
Those are all facts that seem to be widely acknowledged. How is it homophobic to point that out?
"Seriously, does Shackford just not know how homophobic his own readers are?"
Care to cite your claim?
Nah.
You've been around here for years, Sevo. You know better. So you're either so homophobic that you can't even see it anymore (in which case you wouldn't see anything wrong with any of the numerous examples I could give you), or you know how bad it is and you're pretending you don't 'cause you're an asshole.
So since it's a lose-lose because you're a bad faith actor, why should I go through that effort?
I hope you catch the monkeypox
No. No he doesn't. He also doesn't understand how anti-pedophile his own readers are. Or how pro-personal responsibility they are. Or how libertarian they are. Or exactly how misogynistic they are or aren't. Or how much biology and medicine they know... at this point, one might think that coming up with a list of the things Scott has the first clue on would be easier, but one would be wrong to think that.
I'm against all public health mandates, but it is rather striking that 2 years ago questioning the horrible impositions on everyone's lives meant you were some awful deplorable but now suggesting that people perhaps should give up wild buttfucking parties for a few months is beyond the pale.
For some extra hypocrisy/irony, this is exactly the kind of disease that can be effectively dealt with through isolation and contact tracing, unlike, for example, a respiratory virus.
Contact tracing that wants to know where you were, no matter the circumstances is forward thinking, progressive and necessary.
Contact tracing that wants to know where you put your dick is the end of civilization.
This is the sort of take that Reason should have. Instead they complain about the government not giving out a bunch of vaccines. This disease primarily (almost exclusively) is effecting gay men. Anybody who cares about them should be telling them to lay off the slutty bs for a while. If the population could be celibate or at least sexually exclusive to a single partner for a month this problem would eliminate itself. That it continues to spread tells me that this subset of the population is too irresponsible and/or stupid to care for themselves and others by modifying a single behaviour for a limited time.
I suppose it goes along with the recent years' explosion of "Pride". No longer is it good enough to be tolerant and accepting of people with different preferences and lifestyles. Now you have to enthusiastically support (and subsidize) whatever kind of insane sexual antics anyone wants to get into. Unless it involves a straight guy hiring a prostitute, then it's human trafficking.
Now your minor children have to participate.
Monkeypox confirmed some very important things when contrasted with COVID and its handling. Namely that the CDC has become so far gone they will probably not be trusted by Joe Public for a few decades, which is deserved.
"And this, to be clear, is overwhelmingly men who are sexually active with other men."
I agree that it is OK to warn men who sex with men that they are at risk of Monkey Pox infection. What I do not agree with is declaring Monkey Pox a general health emergency, which it is not. There is way too much propaganda spewed by the media and by the government. Monkey Pox is not a judgment from God cast upon sinning homosexuals, but it is a consequence of behavior. To pretend otherwise is just another heap of gas lighting.
If you are afraid of Monkey Pox infection then the very first precaution you should take is to abstain from homosexual sex. After that, there are probably a few other, lesser, precautions to take.
If you are afraid of Monkey Pox infection then the very first precaution you should take is to abstain from homosexual sex. [with strangers].
Or even just stick to one partner. Monogamy (if both parties are honest) is generally a pretty good way to avoid STDs.
Yeah, that was the essence of my response. No reasonable person would have said "stop having sex" during the aids crisis. It was "slow down having ass sex with multiple partners with unknown history in dodgy circumstances... "
Which was literally homophobia. I think.
It should always be noted that there will always be religious conservatives who will turn this into "a judgement from God", but the idea that this "judgement from on high" is strictly the domain of religious conservatives is sorely mistaken.
Coronavirus outbreak is a symptom of Gaia's sickness
Is the Planet Telling Us Something With COVID-19?
And so on.
Does monkey pox prove nature hates fags?
No more than yeast infections prove that nature hates women.
Women get yeast infections from gay sex?
Unless they wear masks
I need to watch More PBS.
Or not.
If Man is ecocidal, and Earth/Gaia is capable of fighting back yet still produces Man, does that mean earth/Gaia is suicidal?
Maybe Gaia made us to explore the universe.
Are we not curve-flattening?
Are we not entertained?
Are we not men?
An erect penis is less curved than a flaccid one!
...men who are sexually active with other men.
Well, now I've heard everything.
Don't get out much, do you?
After covid it can't be a surprise political considerations drive public health while medical science is almost entirely irrelevant.
Rather than targeting messages and treatments to at-risk populations, we should probably just lock the whole country down and make everybody wear an ineffective mask for a couple more years. The Dems and public health officials would really like that.
Who can compete with the epidemiological strategy of "Grandma has had a good life, fuck her."
The cold is never going away.
Now stop being an hysterical cunt.
"If you don't want to lock the whole country down and make everybody wear an ineffective mask for a couple more years... yOu'Re hOmOpHoBiC!"
-Escher
Just so we're clear, the media has gone being against "don't say gay" to embracing it when is comes to Monkey pox, do I have that right?
I don't even know anymore...
"In the United States, we know that people assigned male at birth who have sex with men and people assigned female at birth, including at least one pregnant person, have been affected by [monkeypox] in Oregon. We know that cisgender, men and nonbinary people are affected by [monkeypox]. While most identify as gay or queer and report close contact with people assigned male at birth, we have cases that also identify as straight and bisexual and report close contact with people assigned female at birth"
I need a drink after reading that.....
And, not just gay / bisexual men, but gay / bisexual men who have multiple sexual partners. If you've been together and monogamous for a couple of decades, you're just as much at risk as a straight couple who have been together and monogamous for a couple of decades.
The pandering to the left needs to stop. Say the words: this is something that non-monogamous gay and bisexual men need to be careful about, everyone can chill out.
So, I'm trying to get into The Sandman on Netflix. It's... meh. Great imagery, some good moments, but kinda disappears up its own ass for the most part. The Greeks were much, much, much better at anthropomorphizing concepts. The Sandman is a cheap attempt to be deep when it's already been done much better.
Also: waaaaaaaaaay too many gays. It's like 90% of the population on the show. It's ridiculous. And the casting... not a fan.
It's technically better than the Resident Evil series, but that just means it's not laughable. Overall I find myself just wanting to get it over with.
That's sad I loved the series
Every time I read "people assigned male at birth " or "people assigned female at birth ", I want to scream "men, the word is men!" or "women, the word is women!"
The takeover of the health professions by the left is like letting socialist take over take over the business world.... it ain't gonna help make things better for 95% of the population.
The homos are spreading polio in New York.
The LGBT crazies are doing with homophobia what the wokes (I know, I repeat myself) did with racist.
No one cares about it. And this is honestly what needed to happen for us to move forward. Its nothing more than a weapon used by someone to silence others with absolutely no burden of proof.
If its racist to put forward any criticism of someone with a different skin color, even if it is very practical and obvious, then no one is going to care about being called a "racist" anymore.
Same with homophobic. If its homophobic to simply say "promiscuous ass sex might have consequences in the setting of a STD" then no one is really going to care about being called a homophobe. In fact, the "homophobes" are the baseline for being a rational, sane person.
" Yes, there are some antigay conservatives out there who are blaming the gays for the spread of monkeypox, "
And they're absolutely and completely right. Even if you don't know that a particular disease is out there having sex with literally a dozen different random people at an orgy isn't safe. There is always going to be a high risk of a sexually transmitted disease arising. It's just mathematics and biology.
Whores have always been in the frount line for VD's.
No it's not Shackleford and stop saying it is.
1. It's stigmatizing LGBT+ persons. You are literally committing violence here.
2. LGBT+ sexual activity is exempt from the dangers of cishet sexual activity in the same way Antifa riots don't spread COVID.
What we have learned the last two years: 1) When you have a health crisis, sound a general alarm instead of warning the specific group at risk. 2) when that fails, change the name of the disease.