Europe's Energy Wounds Are Self-Inflicted
Unrealistic policy and dependency on fickle neighbors like Russia are no substitute for working power plants.

Unlike President Biden's frequent efforts to blame Vladimir Putin for inflation, Germany's energy-driven economic woes really can be largely linked to Russia, which cut the flow of natural gas in retaliation for economic sanctions imposed over the invasion of Ukraine. Since Germany is the economic powerhouse of the continent, that's bad news for the European Union. But a bigger issue is dependency on energy sourced from Russia, a vulnerability rooted in well-intentioned policy that made the continent heavily dependent on an unreliable partner.
Germany is "teetering on the brink of a recession," The Wall Street Journal's Tom Fairless reported this week. That's familiar news to Americans who are suffering a similar economic contraction by whatever name the White House wants to use. But Germany's problems are more specifically connected to its inability to keep the lights on. "The country's energy crisis deepened Wednesday, when Russia slashed the natural gas that flows to Western Europe through its Nord Stream pipeline," Fairless added.
That's a huge problem for the country that has been the source of the lion's share of Europe's GDP in recent years because Germany is heavily dependent on Russia to fuel its power plants and industries.
"Last year, Russia supplied more than half of the natural gas and about a third of all the oil that Germany burned to heat homes, power factories and fuel cars, buses and trucks," Melissa Eddy reported for The New York Times in April. "Roughly half of Germany's coal imports, which are essential to its steel manufacturing, came from Russia."
That's a remarkable situation for a country that's supposed to be well along in its Energiewende—that is, in its transition to renewable energy sources such as solar and wind.
"In 2000, Germany launched a deliberately targeted program to decarbonize its primary energy supply, a plan more ambitious than anything seen anywhere else," Vaclav Smil wrote in 2020 for the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers' IEEE Spectrum. "The policy, called the Energiewende, is rooted in Germany's naturalistic and romantic tradition, reflected in the rise of the Green Party and, more recently, in public opposition to nuclear electricity generation."
The problem, as Smil noted, is that government-favored and subsidized solar and wind are intermittent. Wind doesn't generate electricity when the air is still, and solar is of little use at night and on cloudy days. That means old-school generating capacity has to be maintained in parallel to the new systems.
"It costs Germany a great deal to maintain such an excess of installed power," Smil added. "The average cost of electricity for German households has doubled since 2000. By 2019, households had to pay 34 U.S. cents per kilowatt-hour, compared to 22 cents per kilowatt-hour in France and 13 cents in the United States."
The German news magazine Der Spiegel came to a similar conclusion in 2019.
"The state has redistributed gigantic sums of money, with the [Renewable Energy Sources Act] directing more than 25 billion euros each year to the operators of renewable energy facilities," the authors observed. "But without the subsidies, operating wind turbines and solar parks will hardly be worth it anymore. As is so often the case with such subsidies: They trigger an artificial boom that burns fast and leaves nothing but scorched earth in their wake."
Making the matter worse is the extent to which Europe has sourced its fossil fuels from Russia. That's a dependency partly based on easy accessibility by land to Russia's resources. It's also an artifact of economic diplomacy from the Cold War era intended to build trade ties to reduce the risk of conflict. But what was supposed to give the West leverage over the old Soviet Union has instead handed modern Russia enormous clout.
Comparatively clean nuclear energy might have made the difference, but the 2011 Fukushima disaster spooked Germans more, perhaps, than people anywhere else, and the country resolved to abandon nuclear power, leaving it dependent on unreliable solar and wind and, especially, imported fossil fuels. Only now, with Russia throttling the supply of natural gas to 20 percent of capacity, is the governing coalition considering extending the life of the last two nuclear power plants past the end of the year.
Of course, Germany isn't all of Europe. Neighboring France is heavily committed to nuclear power, though half its reactors are off-line for unfortunately timed maintenance. And Poland, a major coal producer, is sort of the anti-Germany when it comes to energy policy. But the country now finds itself importing fuel to meet its needs. Affordability has made Russian gas very popular across the continent, constituting the majority source for many nations.
Other European countries have embraced ambitious green energy targets. That includes the Netherlands, which set a target of zero emissions of greenhouse gases by 2050. The country's plans are so ambitious that they include choking off much of the hugely productive agricultural sector, driving farmers to the streets in protest. Even so, in recent weeks, the Dutch government asked Germany to keep its nuclear plants online to power the shared energy grid.
With energy prices soaring for the foreseeable future (analysts see the crisis potentially lasting into 2025) and the continent's prosperity at Russia's mercy, the European Union now supports "the inclusion of nuclear and gas as environmentally sustainable economic activities." But nuclear power plants take time to build even if you're open to the prospect, and gas supply is still heavily dependent on the whims of a certain Russian president. That has Europeans making some hard choices.
"EU energy ministers on Tuesday reached agreement on what, just six days earlier, had been dismissed as unthinkable: mandatory, bloc-wide gas rationing in case of winter supply shortages," Politico reported this week. That might keep homes warm enough to sustain life, but it's a desperate move.
At least Europe's sacrifices brought a cleaner environment than could have been created any other way, right? Not so much. Even before Germany brought its coal plants back online to make up for the shortfall in natural gas, its accomplishments weren't that impressive.
"The United States reduced the share of fossil fuels in its primary energy consumption from 85.7 percent to 80 percent, cutting almost exactly as much as Germany did," IEEE Spectrum's Smil noted in 2020. "Without anything like the expensive, target-mandated Energiewende, the United States has decarbonized at least as fast as Germany, the supposed poster child of emerging greenness."
Everybody needs energy to keep the lights on, homes warm, and industry humming. Unrealistic policy, arbitrary dictates, and dependency on fickle neighbors are no substitute for working power plants.
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There ia nothing green about Green Energy.
Al Gore is collecting the green! As are numerous useless academics and green companies.
"Germany's energy-driven economic woes really can be largely linked to Russia"
Umm, no They can be directly linked to stupid as fuck German energy policy. Shutting off nuke plants and closing coal-fired plants so you can virtue signal with wind and solar is all on the Germans. Buying gas from Russia would have been unnecessary.
Atomkraft? Nein, Danke!
Greta Thunberg has analyzed the environmental, economic, and energy related data with her super-powered autistic mind and discovered that windmills, solar panels, geothermal, and hamsters on treadmills are enough to meet Europe's power demands.
Given the current situation, they may need to switch to humans walking bigger treadmills. Welcome to the brave new world.
Maybe there are some ovens laying idle that could be re-started?
If only he had purchased carbon offsets he’d be a leftist hero.
Not one word about how President Trump warned Germany about the Northstream pipeline and dependence on Russia?m
Not one word about how Trump warned NATO about military weakness and the Russian threat?
He is really looking late a modern Nostradamus
Funny how the Reason
writerseditors will make huge tangential leaps to include Trump in any article they can castigate him, but the one article in which they agree with him he is completely absent.Orange Bad Man syndrome. It's terminal.
What they don't say means so much more than anything they do say. Because that means you get to make up why they didn't say anything, and then call them liars if they disagree!
the remark about their tangentially including Trump for purposes of castigation still stands.
it is a noticeable pattern of behavior
It's standard argumentation in these parts.
For example I don't recall you ever denouncing the Japanese using prisoners of war for scientific experiments. Why do you want prisoners of war to be used for scientific experiments?
Anyone can do it.
Everyone here denounced Fauci et al for using Americans for vax experiments, however.
Japan was a long time ago.
You never denounced the Rape of Nanking. That means you supported it. And you you say anything different you're back peddling.
See how it works? Yet a sad majority in these comments truly believe that's effective and logical argumentation.
Just end it already.
You are clearly miserable.
Says the guy who vandalizes every Prius he sees in the parking lot. How many thousands of dollars of damage do you inflict a day? You never said you didn't. That means you did. Don't start back peddling. How many windows did you break yesterday?
It’s a better hobby than what you do to your daughter.
Zoom, right over that pumpkin on your shoulders again.
Hung over again?
Another example of sarc kicking your ass in a debate. Amazing to see.
Shouldn't you be making stuff up and then arguing against it?
I like the new angry drunken sarcasmic.
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Fuck trump already. He’s just another parasite doing whatever he can to get a vote. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone and he’d sell out in five minutes to the deep state - just like everyone else - if they’d let him.
We need eugenics to breed the selfish stupidity out of our species.
SHUT UP! TRUMP WAS THE MOST LIBERTARIAN PRESIDENT EVER! WHY DO YOU HATE THE CHILDREN?!?!?
Is the attention really worth all this?
Says the guy who sticks his penis into a light socket for giggles.
Is “light socket” what you call your anus?
Because the answer is still no.
He was objectively the most libertarian president in my lifetime. Granted that’s a fucking low bar with both Regan thru Obama….
"Fuck trump already. He’s just another parasite doing whatever he can to get a vote. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone and he’d sell out in five minutes to the deep state - just like everyone else - if they’d let him."
Sarc or stupid?
When will Europe become an environmentally sustainable, collective farm a la the Khmer Rouge.
Their Proof of Concept, Srilanka, had some unexpected hitches. They are iterating and will try again soon.
Canada is next on their countries to fail.
Hopefully they send all their moose and bears down to us when the country is no more.
Don’t we already have enough bears in trunks in this country?
The mooses would be cool, I guess.
Come on, Overt. There are a lot more important problems than Sri Lanka to worry about. We have to end apartheid for one. And slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless, and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
And this is where you demonstrate you have completely swallowed the Team Red narrative.
Do you know anything at all about Sri Lanka except what right-wing media spoon-feeds you?
Did you know that the ousted president of Sri Lanka was the brother of the former president? And when his brother was president, he served as the defense minister? And when he was defense minister, he "concluded" the civil war in Sri Lanka concerning the Tamil Tigers rebel group? And by "concluded" I mean "brutally suppressed". He boasted to the media, ""There are no independent observers, only LTTE [Tamil Tigers] sympathisers."
https://web.archive.org/web/20140707080908/http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cant-ensure-civilians-safety-in-ltte-area/84336-2.html
He shelled hospitals in rebel controlled areas in order to try to force them to surrender. The guy actually has dual Sri Lanka/US citizenship, but he is unable to travel to the US because of his alleged war crimes in his role in suppressing the Tamil Tigers rebellion.
So THIS is the guy that the Sri Lankan people kicked to the curb. Gee, do you think that they MIGHT HAVE bigger grievances with the guy than what some European bureaucrats told them about green energy? Hmm?
But no, ignore what Sri Lankans themselves might think of the guy, instead, impose a narrative on Sri Lanka that does maximum damage to The Left. That is the essence of tribalism.
"But no, ignore what Sri Lankans themselves might think of the guy, instead, impose a narrative on Sri Lanka that does maximum damage to The Left. That is the essence of tribalism."
Sri Lanka banned chemical fertilizers, and their food production plummeted. This meant they had to import more food than normal, depleting their foreign reserves. Coupled with the rising fuel costs imposed by inflation and green anti-fossil-fuel policies, Sri Lanka has depleted its foreign reserves and its currency has collapsed.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/we-are-going-die-sri-lanka-warns-food-shortages-2022-05-20/
That's Right-wing Rag Reuters talking about what happened to food. There are similar stories from May on Time, CNN, and other Right Wing bubbles.
I am sure that there are plenty of problems with their president, and that there are many reasons why people protest them. That doesn't change the fact that their terrible green policies have created a crisis. And the fact that you have tried to change the subject is an example of you projecting, once again.
" ignore what Sri Lankans themselves might think of the guy, instead, impose a narrative on Sri Lanka that does maximum damage to The Left. That is the essence of tribalism."
Overt: Sri Lanka's enviro-green policies created a food crisis that is causing people to die.
Chemjeff: Akshewally, people in Sri Lanka are mad at leaders for their Anti-Terror war. Here is an article from 2009 I dug up!
Who is pushing a narrative, Chemjeff? You can't even respond to the subject at hand.
Dayum. Thunderous dunk on Jeff.
I am sure that there are plenty of problems with their president, and that there are many reasons why people protest them.
Not if you listen to the right-wing commenters here. The right-wing narrative is that everything was going great in Sri Lanka until those greenies stepped in and told them to ban fertilizer. And the people are rising up and demanding an end to the green nonsense. It's a part of the grand populist revolt between the People and the Elites. It's the People Rejecting Leftism. It's actually right-wingers in this country projecting their narrative onto them. They completely ignore all of the other very valid reasons that people have to protest the president that has nothing to do with the Grand Struggle Between The People And The Elite.
Just look at this article from Breitbart for example:
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/07/13/sri-lanka-president-flees-to-maldives-putting-socialist-nation-in-state-of-emergency/
They called the president a "socialist" when he was really a right-wing dictator. The entire tenor is that this was the downfall of a leftwing socialist disaster. Team Red WANTS that to be the narrative because they want to think that this is a fight of The People between The Elite Socialists.
Seriously, the people of Sri Lanka had 8 years to get rid of the corrupt piece of shit family. It’s amazing what starving people will do to their leaders, just ask the French.
Take the L and bow out gracefully.
Don't bother. Chemjeff tips his hand with his snark about how the president was a "right-wing" dictator. Chemjeff is obsessed with tribes. It's all he sees.
He offers no evidence that what he says is accurate. His "proof" is that Brietbart says these things. Get that? Because the wrong tribe says something, I should automatically believe it is a lie. The only proof he has offered that the president is a Right Wing Dictator was that he was willing to harm civilians in the process of fighting a civil war against the Tamil Tigers. We'll skip over the obvious questions that raises about President Wedding-Party-Murder-Drone Obama.
The important point to Chemjeff is fighting the Team Red demons he sees under his bed, and around every corner.
Did he take over control of the means of production? Did he, for instance, tell farmers they couldn't use fertilizers or pesticides?
What is your definition of socialism?
"Not if you listen to the right-wing commenters here."
Let's see...You had a couple of options...
"I'm sorry Overt. I read your response and accused you of taking a position that you didn't. I was wrong to accuse you of tribalism. In fact, that I tried lumping you into a tribe probably means that *i* am the one who is obsessed with tribalism. That is probably why I couldn't leave it alone without insisting that Bad Sri-Lankan man was also part of Bad Tribe."
What you said is another option of course. One that really undermines the moral high ground you always claim.
Here is a much better article that explains a little bit more in depth about the problems in Sri Lanka:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-61028138
I am knee-jerk opposed to simplistic explanations for complex events. Especially simplistic explanations that JUST SO HAPPEN to feed into one team's narrative.
It would be so convenient if there could be a simple cause-effect relationship between the decision to ban inorganic fertilizer, and the current unrest, wouldn't it? Because it would just align so perfectly with the Team Red narrative that green policies are destructive and harmful. But the truth is more complicated.
Starting with, the fact that the fertilizer ban happened in April 2021. If there was such a simple cause-effect relationship between banning fertilizer and public misery, then why didn't things go to shit in Sri Lanka much earlier, like last year?
My hypothesis is that it was the Russia-Ukraine war, which caused global food prices to spike and supplies to diminish, with the cutoff of Ukrainian grain, also with the spike in oil prices.
If you go here:
https://tradingeconomics.com/sri-lanka/inflation-cpi
and play around with the charts a little bit, you'll see that things were going more or less normally until the end of 2021, when there was a slight rise, and then there was a huge jump between March and April 2022. That is when the shit really started to hit the fan.
And then there was the effect of all the COVID lockdowns. Very little tourism, so the foreign currency reserves were depleted, making the country less able to weather these troubles.
And THEN there was a poor harvest leading to a decrease in food production, probably due in large part to the fertilizer ban.
And THEN we have the original point I raised, that the former president is actually an authoritarian murderous asshole with whom a lot of people are understandably upset.
So the chaos in Sri Lanka is actually due to a confluence of a whole bunch of events. It is not as simplistic as "fertilizer ban leads to chaos and anarchy".
And yes I said you were a part of the Team Red tribe on this issue, because you seemed to just swallow this simplistic narrative without doing any digging or questioning of it.
My only apology is for not doing more research before making my initial post.
"It would be so convenient if there could be a simple cause-effect relationship between the decision to ban inorganic fertilizer, and the current unrest,"
It would be convenient if that was the point I was making. The point I made was that green policies caused the crop harvest in Sri Lanka to fail. Full Stop.
So before we go onto your smorgasbord of obfuscation and "ackshewally its complicated," stuff, maybe we should agree or disagree on that point.
So are you going to dispute the quote from the article I posted above that says, "A decision in April last year by President Gotabaya Rajapaksa to ban all chemical fertilisers drastically cut yields"?
And THEN there was a poor harvest leading to a decrease in food production, probably due in large part to the fertilizer ban.
So are you arguing that the poor harvest was not caused by the environmentalist policy banning chemical fertilizers?
Well, Overt, I haven't conducted a scientific study on the matter, and as far as I can tell, neither have you. So I think the most truthful statement on the matter would have to be that it is likely that the fertilizer ban played a large role in the poor harvest.
Now, are you arguing that the chaos in Sri Lanka was caused *solely* by the fertilizer ban? Or do you think there were other factors in play?
"Well, Overt, I haven't conducted a scientific study on the matter, and as far as I can tell, neither have you"
Oh, well by that logic, one wonders why we are discussing anything ever, at all.
Indeed, one wonders why you are so sure Brietbart is wrong. Did you do deep scientific research and track down all of their sources to identify what points they made were accurate within standard levels of precision and which points are not supported by adequate research? Or did you decide Breitbart is the wrong tribe, and therefore everything they say is suspect?
Indeed, why are we to believe that your BBC article (which actually doesn't dispute my point) is the accurate one? Did you follow their sources and commission studies? Or did you choose to offer them up as evidence that "it's complicated" because of some other reason.
"Now, are you arguing that the chaos in Sri Lanka was caused *solely* by the fertilizer ban? Or do you think there were other factors in play?"
No. I am arguing that their *food crisis* was created by these green policies. I am arguing that this required them to import food, instead of relying on domestic goods. Your BBC and Calculator are not inconsistent with this viewpoint. The country banned import of chemical fertilizers in April 2021. That impacted the Yala (May - August) harvest, with a 20% decrease in Rice yield. That required them to start importing food during the last quarter of 2021. And by the end of the Maha season (September - March) their Yields had decreased by upwards of 50%. All of that needing to be replaced internationally.
$450 Million dollars, or 20-25% of their foreign exchange reserves spent just on RICE let alone all the other crops they need. That was reserves that had been needed to pay loans, import fuel, and now is required to import more chemical fertilizers than they would normally use.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/
Now, let's stop a moment. That's Foreign Policy magazine- not Right Wing Brietbart. And they are also sourcing The Economist- again not a right wing rag. So your argument that I was pushing some "Right Wing" narrative is absolutely incorrect. Even if you don't believe Reuters, The Economist or Foreign Policy, your rant about me pushing Right Wing Tribal narratives is bullshit, and it is pretty shitty for you to continue arguing without acknowledging that fact.
Personally, I believe that this was the proximate cause of the country's latest troubles- especially when articles in Reuters have protestors complaining about not having food to eat. That is, if the regime had not tried to mandate organic farming, they would have 20 - 25% additional reserves necessary to cope with global inflation. And thus they would have not been subject to their currency inflating, and the massive shortages in fuel and food.
But even if we accept your insistence that "it's complicated", it doesn't change my point. Green Policies caused a food crisis in the country. They caused the country's yield to drop by upwards of 50%. This makes it an apt comparison to the problems induced by Europe's green policies. And your attempt to nitpick why the president resigned is a needless distraction from these points.
TL;DR: The comparison is apt. And it is not the product of right wing fever dreams. Your rant was unjustified, and once again, your attempt to accuse people of tribalism merely shows how absolutely deranged with tribal politics *you* are.
Ukraine's death clock has officially started. Anyone want to take bets on when the EU negotiates Zelinskys surrender?
You mean the guy in the cover of a fashion magazine?
Why do you say that?
Because once enough Euro's start freezing in the winter, their politicians will be voted out in favor of buying the Russian gas.
And it isn't like those in power don't understand that, they are just trying to buy some lead time.
well-intentioned policy that made the continent heavily dependent on an unreliable partner.
I don't think that's really true. What's happened in Germany (and in many other places) is that they've voted in politicians who've promised them pink unicorns. They don't know what they're talking about, but have promised that they can produce all the energy they want with nothing but solar and wind and put impossible deadlines on reaching that point. And they've done it in order to get themselves into power.
And in pursuit of those promises, they haven't actually cut their reliance on fossil fuels, they've just hidden the extent to which they're actually using them. They're getting them from Russia instead of tapping into Germany's vast reserves of coal. They've let people convince themselves that coal is too icky to touch instead of realizing that we can be extremely clean. And in the process, they could also harvest natural gas if they were fracking, instead of making a different country harvest natural gas for them. They've exported the task of supplying "dirty" energy sources to appease voters who want their IPhones to run youtube 24 hours a day while expecting the power to come from unicorn farts.
We need to stop giving them benefit of the doubt to these grifters, is what I'm saying. They're selling a bullshit product on the promise that it's going to work someday, they're hiding the cost using pyramid schemes of energy production, and then they're looking for someone else to blame when the bottom falls out.
It's not well-intentioned, it's pure power games. It's Al Gore grifting himself into power and wealth without having to reduce his own carbon footprint even slightly. Why should we give them the benefit of the doubt that they're actually well-intentioned by making promising they can't keep?
Correct
They were well intentioned. Benevolent dictatorships are fine. Even when they cause massive failures to the citizens.
Why should we give them the benefit of the doubt that they're actually well-intentioned....
Because most people are. People with bad intentions are easy to spot. They're the ones accusing others of having bad intentions.
Most of these climate crusaders have good intentions. Unfortunately they're just wrong.
Some people who vote for this stuff might be well intentioned but naive. People getting rich selling the lies to them are not.
I'm still not so sure. Unless they're all sociopaths some must actually believe in what they're selling.
But surely they're aware that they're still using fossil fuels at similar rates, it's just that now they're importing them instead of getting them domestically? Surely people in positions of power have to notice that.
Germany thought the Soviet Union had forgotten all about 1941. Surprise bitches!
If the EU environmentalist wackos starve and freeze to death why should I care?
It's a warning to what's in process here in the U.S.
The Greens are just a noisy minority that has guilted and bullied these countries into complying.
Now that the real consequences have arisen, it is almost impossible for the average European to get the EU to change its course.
I retired to Spain last year. I have the income to survive whatever lunacy they propose and implement, but there are lot of Spaniards, retired and otherwise, who are living just above the poverty line. Even after all of this BS starting last year, the ruling PSOE (socialists) refuse to consider not closing down the few nuke plants Spain has left. They are all in on wind and solar.
I can walk out of my house right now and look up the ridge to north and see the wind turbines just standing there, doing nothing. Because the wind doesn't blow generally on hot and muggy days in the summer.
The EU environmentalist whackos will be fine. It's the just the proles who will freeze to death.
Yep. The people who are really behind this insane "Green" movement and are trying to beg, bully, and bribe all the leaders in the west into adopting it are the multi-billionaire globalist Davosians ike Klaus Schwab, Hansjorg Wyss, George Soros, etc.
And they're all disciples of Thomas Malthus, Paul Ehrlich, and the Club of Rome, so they've all convinced themselves that in order to keept their wealth and elite lifestyle through their families' generations is if they can force the rest of humanity back into a 19th century lifestyle.
There's nothing even the slightest bit "well-intentioned" about any of it. They're evil scum who are in thrall to a false and discredited pseudo-scientific ideology and they aren't capable of seeing anything beyond their own greed.
So what... you have a problem with that??
No, stupidity is much more common than malice. Most are brainwashed true believers. The MSM makes sure alternate voices are kept quiet.
^
Unless you're going to do pretty deep dives and be willing to swim pretty hard against the stream, the MSM has most people convinced that there's just no controversy or disagreement at all.
WAD
We all know the script: anger the citizens by making them suffer, wait til the inflection point, cause false flag that rally’s the country to agree to world war 3.
It’s so predictable it’s stupid. So then we all get nuked, population reduced by a billion or so, economic growth can resume full steam. Wrap it up by the end of 2023.
And if that doesn’t work, simply release the small pox version of monkey pox and we still end up in the same place with a billion less useful feeders.
What a time to be alive!
What about that scenario is appealing to the "elites" who will have to live in such a wasteland? It is one thing to keep the proles under your thumb while you live like royalty. It is another to destroy the First World and still expect to live like royalty.
Germany saw they had a problem in 2014 when Russia confronted Ukraine and shut gas flows to punish them. Germany's response? Build a completely different pipeline (Nordstream II) that avoids Ukraine. The real lesson of 2014 shouldn't have been to avoid Ukraine, but to realize Russia was likely to use the same tactic again in a different wider context.
Yes, Germans are dumkopfs. They are still trying to atone for the Nazis, hence the ubervirtuesignalling. Same with immigration.
Some truth to this. I have yet to meet a German who isn't on a guilt trip about WWII, and most of the ones I meet are grandkids of peons from that era.
What about Netherlands? If they put most of their farmers out of business they could be starved into submission very easily. Worse than energy shortages.
Except that you have no clue what you are talking about. The only dutch ag that is at risk is livestock production at/around sea level.
JFree, full of shit as always:
"Why tractor-riding Dutch farmers are protesting against emissions regulations"
[...]
"...What exactly are these farmers protesting against?
Netherland lawmakers recently voted on proposals to slash emissions of damaging pollutants. The two most notable emission cuts being made by these decisions are nitrogen oxide and ammonia, which farming produces..."
https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2022/7/7/23198400/why-tractor-riding-dutch-farmers-protesting-against-emissions-regulations-netherlands
Those are produced by LIVESTOCK. Releasing manure and urine into groundwater or the sea is not just something opposed by green wackos. And 30% or so of NL is at or below sea level. But hey keep watching Fox. Maybe you can advocate getting rid of sewerage treatment as well
Ok, fascist.
You pile of shit, you claimed the regs had something to do with "sea level" rather than emissions. IOWs, you've been busted yet one more time for bullshitting and then trying to sneak around it.
It is one of the reasons you are near universally despised here; stick your head up your ass with your PANIC flag, shitpile.
It is about emissions. Emissions AT SEA LEVEL. That is the reality of NL - and in particular the marshland polder areas that receive those emissions and that are being polluted by nitrification. That is all just glossed over by your politicized news media source.
As is the reality of most Dutch agriculture which is massively different from US agriculture. But as always, you clowns have no interest in understanding an actual reality (esp not a foreign one). Just an interest in playing domestic DeRp games
Here's a topography map of Netherlands. The areas in blue are at and below sea level. That is where those regs take effect. And they are a massive part of NL.
European naivete and idealism create serious delusion and dependence for them. Whether it is relying on Russia for energy or the US for security.
But if there is one thing that this war has proven, it is that EVERY source of energy that also requires a supply chain for fuel is massively vulnerable to external shit heads. Russia bombed Ukraine's nuclear power plants and drove them into being too unsafe to operate. IOW - Russia has proven to the world that peaceful nuclear power is now a big dangerous target. The uranium fuel is also more vulnerable to cutoff than fossil fuels - as well as the longer known problems of waste and weaponized diversion. And hey golly - how in the fuck is Tucille just skipping over the fact that half of French nuclear is offline for maintenance. Steady reliable base load oh yeah.
Oil and gas have always been vulnerable to external cut off. If there is one thing that 'backs' the US dollar as reserve currency it is that the US secures that supply chain for the world. Until we fail to do that.
Like it or not, renewables do not have that same vulnerability. Their production is more decentralized so is less vulnerable to central assault to destroy it. And no fuel supply chain that can be destroyed or sanctioned or otherwise subordinate to politics. I don't expect anything Koch funded (or American really) to ever be honest about the need to transition energy. But that will just render Reason/libertarian irrelevant on yet one more thing
JFree, full of shit as always:
"...Like it or not, renewables do not have that same vulnerability..."
"U.S. solar developers are highly dependent on China for materials that are instrumental in solar panel production."
https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/renewable/solar/chinese-solar-panel-production-issues-are-mounting/#:~:text=U.S.%20solar%20developers%20are%20highly%20dependent%20on%20China,arising%20dealing%20with%20cost%2C%20delays%20and%20human%20rights.
how in the fuck is Tucille just skipping over the fact that half of French nuclear is offline for maintenance
He didn't?
I don't expect anything Koch funded (or American really) to ever be honest about the need to transition energy.
And why would we need to transition to energy sources that are less reliable than the ones we currently employ? Certainly not because of local geopolitics. Solidarity for the atmosphere is what I suspect you're getting at.
All these things involve tradeoffs. The tradeoffs to renewable-centric energy production likely don't make sense for this country, hence the need for copious amounts of subsidies coupled with limitless sanctimony. But still, even if you could eliminate fossil fuels from the residential heating and electricity generating spaces, they are still irreplaceable for all kinds of industrial production. Europe (and especially Germany) wants to maintain itself as a first-world country without domestic policies that account for this reality, and they're dealing with the consequences.
I don't give a shit about green solidarity. Nor do I give a shit about lazy cronyist utilities and their political toadies who want to protect their centralized grid structure/management.
"I don't give a shit about green solidarity"
And yet you expect us to give a shit about your outrage when you can't even read the article you are outraged about. Hilarious, JSafe.
That sentence completely skips over the supposed selling point of nuclear and the vulnerability of solar/wind. Half of nuclear offline for the most nuclear power country is just 'unfortunate timing'. Solar wind are fatally flawed from the get go because they aren't 100% 'reliable and steady' as base load. You people STILL don't get it.
LOL
Watching jfree prove itself a fool is one of the joys of this site.
Like it or not, renewables do not have that same vulnerability. Their production is more decentralized so is less vulnerable to central assault to destroy it.
First off, there's no reason that Germany has to rely on Russia for its gas. It could easily develop its own gas and oil exploration system around the globe, just as we do.
Second, the production of "renewables' is not as decentralized as you suggest. You have to discuss specifics. What renewables... exactly could Germany rely on that would not only replace oil, but be SO decentralized that they couldn't be targeted in a war?
I'm trying to imagine just how easy it would be to lay waste to a wind farm. Solar simply can't produce the required energy because it's fucking Germany, so what "renewables" are left that Germany could run its entire economy on sans oil, coal and nuclear?
First off, there's no reason that Germany has to rely on Russia for its gas. It could easily develop its own gas and oil exploration system around the globe, just as we do.
I should be clear that this is a generalization.
If Germany were to elect competent leaders who understood statecraft and started this process now, it would take years to develop, so nothing I say should be interpreted to mean that a pivot to this will fix their energy woes that are going to start in the next three months.
Oil and gas exploration is not revealing undiscovered new worlds. Deep water is really expensive and only profitable at prices higher than current. And Saudi/Russia keep oil/gas low - until they choose to fuck you over.
Big solar farms are centralized but those are solely a function of some grid mgmt centralization. The sun shines and the wind blows everywhere and I can't see how those are a target
"Oil and gas exploration is not revealing undiscovered new worlds."
JFree, please join us in 2022. This line was un-credible when they were saying it during the PEAK OIL!!11!1 craze of the 2010s.
Over a period of decades, the US was able to go from net importer to net exporter of fossil fuels by exploiting reserves it had in house. Oil is everywhere, it is merely a question of how much you are willing to pay to exploit it (unless folks like you decide instead to have us shivering in the dark).
As with the Peak Oil people, these comments have revealed you to be completely clueless about energy policy. At some point, I can only assume, your over-pampering mother convinced you that spouting bullshit wishes and hopium in earnest will be mistaken for expertise on a subject. While that is great for mommy's precious little moonbeam, it is time that you enter the real world where your terrible assertions are belied by reality.
Over a period of decades, the US was able to go from net importer to net exporter of fossil fuels by exploiting reserves it had in house.
Over a period of just over a decade, the US was able to go from net importer to net importer (but lower level) of fossil fuels by:
a)reducing consumption of fossil fuels
b)importing crude and exporting refined product
c)issuing tons of debt at low subsidized interest rates to produce shale oil at unprofitable prices while kicking the can down the road and pretending that debt never ever needs to be paid back or rolled over at higher interest rates.
FIFY. Not as catchy as your politicized horseshit. But truer. And - you are pretty clearly from California what with your expertise and knowledge and such.
Agree that solar in northern Europe is pointless. Offshore wind is big and steady. And they can use excess to turn seawater into hydrogen and pipe that ashore for high temp energy (steel cement).
Germany in particular also needs nuclear but it's dumb as fuck to believe in magic energy bullets. We do that too
"Offshore wind is big and steady. And they can use excess to turn seawater into hydrogen and pipe that ashore for high temp energy (steel cement)."
This is how bad Jfree is. He just gets online and states bullshit as if it is uncontroversial fact.
For the record, Offshore wind is not "Big and steady". In 2021, wind production generated 14% less power, despite a 4% increase in capacity[1]. And right wing, koch-funded rags like the BBC and Reuters are full of articles right now about how a current wind-draught in Europe is making the gas shortage more acute. But JFree is here to tell us what is dumb as fuck. (Spoiler: It's anything JFree types as fact.)
[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-60945298
Well hell. I guess as long as Europe = UK and onshore = offshore and there is no mention of how wind power markets actually work in, then the statistic you cite is merely superficial and irrelevant rather than actually wrong.
eg according to a different site - windeurope.org which is apparently a wind industry association - wind producers don't actually get paid more when the electricity they sell sells at a higher price. idk if that tidbit is correct but it damn well is important if you want to understand stats re actual production.
But of course you don't apparently want to understand anything. Rather your purpose seems to be to pull numbers out of your butt in order to make some irrelevant point about wind in Europe. Hell at least you cited a UK source rather than Fox or rockwell
I suppose you think the UK has some especially decrepit wind gods, while the EU wind gods are robust and blow all the time.
Why would winds fail only in the UK?
Oh, semi-related question: is Ireland part of the EU, or do you lump it in with the UK? I mean, it would be pretty funny if the decrepit UK wind gods are too weak to blow in Northern Ireland but strong enough to keep out the powerful EU wind gods.
I'm really trying to comprehend how the EU and UK winds can differ so remarkably.
Do you think there is anything that happened in Europe (or for that matter the entireworld) in 2020 and 2021 that affected year over year energy demand? And therefore year over year energy production at the margin for a particular energy source that becomes marginalized because it doesn't ever get higher prices for what it sells? Any hints at all? For that matter - WHY do you think the French decided to take half their nuclear plants offline for maintenance at the same time? Any hints? Any hints at all?
Or are you just going to invent some 'wind drought' that is not mentioned in the article - not mentioned anywhere - but merely invented by your ilk because it fits your political narrative?
"Do you think there is anything that happened in Europe (or for that matter the entireworld) in 2020 and 2021 that affected year over year energy demand?"
Notice that JFree is trying to shift the goal posts here, going to talk about demand...He is being cryptic because he did a bunch of mad google searches and doesn't want anyone looking at his sources to see that he is conflating demand with production, and trying to abstract things.
He specifically argued that wind is steady. We know for a fact that in September 2021 there was a wind drought. And there is one happening now. It isn't because of market caps. It is because the UK is not getting enough wind.
I specifically argued that OFFSHORE wind is steady. But since you apparently either cant read or don't understand the difference between onshore v offshore or Europe v UK, it doesn't much matter what I wrote. Your ilk is dishonest as fuck anyway so you'll just make shit up faster than I can bother to play whack a mole and correct your deceits and reading comprehension shortfalls.
I've provided the link to windeurope.org which has all the stats you will ever need. Including how to understand them. Should you choose to.
"Well hell. I guess as long as Europe = UK and onshore ="
Half of UK's wind production is offshore, dumbass. And it too is failing. But please, do a mad google search to try and come back trying to change the subject some more about market rates.
Wind is not steady. Even wind off shore. This has been known to every seafaring civilization ever to rely on wind to power their ships. I swear to god, based on your bloviating, I'd have to consider fact checking you if you asserted the sun came up in the east.
Compared to a 50% drop in nuclear production because of 'unfortunate timing' of maintenance? Compared to a current political cutoff off Russian gas of 60%? What's your fucking acceptable baseline of 'steady'?
Germany's energy-driven economic woes really can be largely linked to *Germany's idiotic energy policies*
Fixed.
Nuclear power... it's time for some common sense.
Is this the part where I get to say 'I told you so'? Nah, I'll let the fuckups stack up a little higher... just a liiiittle higher.
You know who else took advantage of unrealistic European policies?