Russia's Imprisonment of Britney Griner Has Some Unfortunate American Parallels
The U.S. justice system also has a staggeringly low acquittal rate and over-charges on drug offenses.

On Tuesday, President Joe Biden signed an executive order declaring international hostage-taking a national emergency. The order came in the wake of national outrage over the imprisonment of WNBA player Britney Griner, who was imprisoned in Russia this February on charges that she was found in possession of cannabis vape cartridges. Griner, whose trial is ongoing, faces up to 10 years in a Russian labor camp if convicted. In May, the Biden administration formally declared Griner wrongfully detained.
Her arrest has sparked indignation nationwide. "[Griner's] prospects—and the chances she will receive anything resembling impartial treatment—are profoundly concerning," wrote The Washington Post editorial board this March, "The fact that Ms. Griner is gay—she is the first openly gay athlete to be endorsed by Nike—is cause for even deeper worry given that LGBTQ people face open hostility and repression from Russian authorities."
While outrage over Russia's court system is warranted, such criticism is also warranted here in the U.S. For instance, after Griner pled guilty to Russian drug charges on July 7, The Independent reported that Russian courts have a 99 percent conviction rate and that Griner, all but guaranteed to lose at trial, may have pled guilty in order to negotiate a shorter sentence.
However, according to Pew Research Center, only 2 percent of cases go to trial in U.S. federal courts. Ninety percent of cases involve guilty pleas, and 8 percent are dismissed. Of the 2 percent of cases that go to trial, 83 percent of defendants are convicted. According to the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Assistance, "about 90 to 95 percent of both federal and state court cases are resolved" through plea deals. As in Russia, defendants in the U.S. must make a disturbing gamble: Plead guilty, even if you aren't, to get a lower sentence than your charges would suggest; or, fight the charges at trial and face a longer, harsher sentence if you're found guilty—which you are overwhelmingly likely to be.
In the United States, such pleas are further incentivized by a draconian cash bail system. As Reason's Billy Binion wrote, the plea bargain "epitomizes government coercion. It epitomizes what the Founders warned against." Binion argues that plea deals are "a creative way to subvert the Constitution, emboldened by local legislatures with a slew of tough-on-crime charging and sentencing laws."
Further, the Biden administration rightfully frames Griner as wrongfully detained, yet it does nothing to help Americans jailed on souped-up drug charges. According to the Sentencing Project, over 400,000 Americans remain detained in U.S. jails on drug-related charges in 2019. Former Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii) pointed out this particular hypocrisy in a video posted to Twitter on Wednesday. "Is the Biden/Harris administration going to use their power to release the countless of Americans who are currently being held in our own prisons for cannabis possession? Of course not."
While the nation is justified in its anger over Griner's imprisonment, it should also turn this outrage toward changing things at home. "People are outraged that Brittney Griner is likely pleading guilty to something she didn't do because she faces 10 years in prison," writes Rebecca Kavanagh, a criminal defense lawyer, on Twitter. "That is outrageous—and it's something that happens here all the time."
Britney Griner should not be facing a single day in a Russian prison for drug possession. Nor should any American here at home.
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Russia's Imprisonment of Britney Griner Has Some Unfortunate American Parallels
You mean the "J6" political prisoners?
I was thinking of Julian Assange.
That's a much better parallel, and also not found in the blog post.
Both will do just fine, in fact the first is yet more egregious: They're in jail for protesting.
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It's an abomination to our Country. Griner? She broke the law in another Country. Hasn't anyone seen 'Locked Up Abroad'?
There is not a single person from J6 in jail (or prison) right now for just 'protesting'.
100% of those in pre-trial detention are for violent crimes including physically assaulting federal police officers (which I think is a 5 year sentence and if you are armed, there are enhancements).
By your logic, you could go into a school, shoot up the place and so long as you are carry a placard - "save the turtles", you are just "protesting"
So Mr Griner did not have the cartridges in her bag? Were they planted? Was this law against them just created to get her or was it already on the books?
Seems he is guilty as sin & his celebrity can't get him out of it.
Tough shit Mr Griner.
Very likely had been carrying them in the whole time while playing basketball in Russia. Marijuana/cannabis smoking/vaping is pretty common among the NBA/WNBA set. Getting caught this one time wasn't bad luck; they knew it was there but had been ignoring it until the right time.
I'm sure you could say the same about any murderer, they got away with it all this time and the cops were just waiting for the right time. Sorry, but if she can't be bothered to respect the rules of the country she goes to she should accept the consequences of that decision.
"Mr. Griner"?
Brittney Griner is a woman, and always has been. Being a lesbian certainly doesn't make one male. What are you suggesting?
How do you know she's a woman?
Gendering someone w/o their consent!
Gender rape!
How ludicrous can this get?
A denial of the charges is conspicuously lacking.
Wouldn't be surprised if Russia planted evidence. Wouldn't be surprised if she was guilty.
But don't go to other countries expecting *your* legal sensibilities to rule. This is not complicated.
It wasn't planted; she admitted her guilt.
Until she is free from "possibly spending 10 years in hard labor" hanging over her head, I don't think we have her side of the story.
I’m sure that after her release she will lie in whatever way serves her interests best.
Her admission of guilt is consistent with everything we know about the case.
According to the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Assistance, "about 90 to 95 percent of both federal and state court cases are resolved" through plea deals
You know, I'm tired of seeing this statistic because it means jackshit.
Prosecutors aren't finding random people to bring charges against. If they're doing their jobs, they're pursuing justice and not guilty verdicts. The people they bring charges against are overwhelming guilty. Of those 90-95% who plea guilty, how many aren't actually guilty? You talk about the hypothetical innocent man, yes, but give me some data.
Part of the reason we have extremely high conviction rates is because we try not to prosecute the innocent, and charges get dropped when there's not enough evidence or if a prosecutor doesn't think he can convict. Prosecutors really dislike taking Ls, so if they can't win a case, they often don't even bring it. Jose Alba, for instance. Dude should never have been charged, but he's not going to be counted as being found not guilty because charges were dropped without ever going to trial. Prosecutor might still have thought he was guilty but couldn't win a case with such sympathetic fact patterns.
That's not to say prosecutors are paragons of virtue, either. They're generally scumbags. But just because we have conviction rates means nothing because, in an ideal society, we would never bring charges against someone who wasn't guilty.
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Great summary. The misses works at a criminal defense firm. She's a fair minded person and believes in her work, but she'll tell anyone that almost everyone who walks in their door is guilty (and it's not their first run-in with the law). Their job is to A. see if there are any holes in the case (misconduct, constitutional violations, etc) to get it thrown out, or B. absent those things just get them as little time as possible.
"If they're doing their jobs, they're pursuing justice and not guilty verdicts. "
*IF*
Most likely, like most people, their jobs are means to a *career* and *personal advantage*. I'm sure there are prosecutors motivated by justice to various degrees, but
The first thing to understand about any institution is that the purported aims of the institution mean next to nothing about the institution.
If the Deep State were doing their jobs...
Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy:
In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.
This is why we discourage losses from prosecutors. This provides an incentive to not bring charges when there isn't sufficient evidence.
The people they bring charges against are overwhelming guilty.
More like they threaten the people who are only questionably guilty with 9001 years in prison if they go to trial or 6 months of probation if they take the plea deal. There is a serious problem with the right to trial being perverted by charge stacking.
Charge stacking can be a problem, but we tend to only hear of extreme cases.
A typical case in front of a prosecutor, for example: Person called in by their neighbor suspected of dealing drugs, with a handgun on their waist. So this person by default has a lot of criminality.
1) Felony possession of controlled substances, in sufficient quantities that it's intent to distribute.
2) If they catch him in the act of have a witness who purchased drugs, it's then felony distribution.
3) There's an escalator in most states for using a firearm in furtherance of their crime, so that gets tacked on. And it's likely the person is already a convicted felon, so it's an illegal weapons charge.
4) Plus there's the tax penalties because they're not reporting this illegal income.
They actually did commit all of those crimes, regardless how you feel about the legality of them. And that's assuming they surrendered completely peacefully and aren't suspected of having ever done violence. So a prosecutor could just charge all of this, which ends up being a substantial amount of time, or they could just have them plead guilty to felony possession at a lesser amount of substances, and they end up sentenced to 2 years instead of potentially 13.
What I think is a bigger problem isn't the high conviction rates, because again, we shouldn't be bringing charges against innocent people. The problem is that the process is quite punitive on the innocent people we DO prosecute. Legal representation is costly. Representing yourself is asking for disaster because the legal code is overly complicated and you're not going to have the ability to research every legal precedent. Bail amounts can be excessive, and you end up forfeiting 10% of your bail to the bondsman unless you want to spend a year in jail waiting for the trial. And there's seldom a way to recover the costs incurred due to the state bringing bullshit charges against you.
Your own made-up example highlights the flaws of the system and argues against the point you are making. How is it reasonable to make someone risk spending over ten extra years in prison, 6.5x the sentence, for exercising their right to trial? Let's set aside the question of guilt for a moment and ask whether that is doing society justice. If the crimes committed are so horrible that the person needs to be locked away for longer than 2nd degree murder, then why are they being let off with a 2 year plea? If the crime deserves a 2 year punishment, why is 13 years on the table? That disparity is ridiculous. One is a substantial punishment. The other is life altering.
Now let's talk about guilt, because it's completely unfair to just decide, for the purposes of argument that "they did actually commit all those crimes" because the real life justice system doesn't get to work with hypothetical scenarios that they write themselves and get to determine what actually happened in. If it did, we wouldn't need trials at all. So lets assume it's a more realistic situation where the state has a lot of evidence that the person committed those crimes. The prospect of a trial looks grim for the defendant, but it's still their right. But is it really a right if you suffer 6.5 times the consequences for exercising it? Imagine if we put people in prison for 6.5x longer for failing to testify in their trials or failing to consent to a search. If you want to know how Chinese courts achieve a 99.9% conviction rate, that's how. It's not something to emulate.
You are correct, there are time when people are caught red-handed or they are facing extreme sentences even if they plead.
I'll also point out that 20% of the people the innocence project has freed actually CONFESSED to a crime they couldn't possibly have committed!
Then you have prosecutors, when faced with undisputed evidence that the person is not guilty, try to get him/her for something anyway.
BTW, I only know 2 prosecutors. Both seem to have a continuous struggle to balance the public interest and the individual accused interest. They make lots of judgement calls. They take that part of their job seriously and I appreciate that. Note: they are not political appointees- that's a different can of worms.
Guess her sense of entitlement doesn't go very far in Mother Russia.
There's a big difference between busted for pot in your native country and busted for pot traveling to a foreign country, especially one that's a dictatorship. No doubt the Russkies were happy to tweak America's nose, but anyone traveling there in the first place has to be aware it's not a nice government in general, and second, only arrogant fools would ignore pot's general pariah status around the world and think their "elite" status and Nike contract make them immune to other countries' laws.
Yeah, sorry you got busted and caught up in international political games, but God helps those who help themselves, and that sure ain't you.
Her case also reminds me of those three damned fools who took a vacation in Iraq so they could get up close and personal with the Iran/Iraq border. Whatever floats your boat, I guess, your vacation time, your dollars. But the border between two countries who hate each other's guts and had a nasty 8 year war? One country we occupied and one country which hates us more than their war enemy? In a desert where the border is not particularly well-marked? And then you claim the Iranians crossed the fluid border and kidnapped you and want Uncle Sam to rescue you?
Yeah, no. Again, God helps those who help themselves, and that sure ain't you.
There's right and there's wrong. Libertarians believe it's OK to have sex while taking drugs over an international border. Various flavors of authoritarians disagree. Your willingness to carry water for the Iranian and Russian regimes makes that clear.
Your eagerness to read what ain't makes nothing clear. You must be a statist.
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"Spouting nonsense is an end in itself."
Smug and stupid.
" You must be a statist."
I'm not the one taking delight in this woman being put in a cage.You are the statist. Or perhaps just a coward eager to carry water for Russia and Iran. What a sickening display.
Again, stupid and smug about it.
Taking a shortcut down crime alley while wearing furs and pearls means you are likely to be mugged.
Intentionally exposing yourself to totalitarian regimes means you are likely to get arrested or kidnapped on real or trumped up charges.
No, it's not right but if you intentionally put yourself in front of lions, you shouldn't be surprised when you get bitten.
Wut?
The back story on the three "hikers" looks like a badly created cover for a 3 letter agency. Knowing how the CIA and other agencies recruit at places like Berkeley, I'd say its odds on that at least one of them was working for a 3 letter agency while they were "hiking".
My understanding is that part of her WMBA contract required her to travel to Russia. Most if not all the WMBA players don't like that part of the contract.
So it was a forced business trip. Just surprised no one warned her about the laws in other countries.
I work in a state where CBD products are legal and easy to come by. However, because I contract to the federal government, I have been warned that CBD use could be construed as a violation of the contract. So even when my hippie friends offer, I kindly refuse.
There's a big difference between busted for pot in your native country and busted for pot traveling to a foreign country, especially one that's a dictatorship.
Agreed, however, there is an additional point to be made that "I'm a historic first white male heterosexual endorsed two-quarters german, two-quarters english whatever" shouldn't mean dick with regard to your pot arrest in your native country. You failed up by dribbling a basketball and didn't learn your role? Fuck you, Griner. Go cry to Putin.
"I'm a historic first white male heterosexual endorsed two-quarters german, two-quarters english whatever" shouldn't mean dick with regard to your pot arrest in your native country
Not to mention that I could add "who has never hit his fiance/wife" and "didn't annul his marriage *the day after* announcing his wife was pregnant" to his "accomplishments".
Prior to the 21st Century it was a felony crime - for a president - to commit torture, false imprisonment and warrantless domestic spying. Ronald Reagan’s torture treaty was not only binding international law but a felony under USA law.
It was NOT a crime for any whistleblower to report unconstitutional war crimes. We instead punished those loyal to their oath of office and rewarded those that betrayed their oath of office. Maybe start here?
Pardon me, but I have to laugh out loudly. You really aren't very familiar with US history, are you?
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The "author" plays the "Not Guilty by Being Negro" card rather than dealing with the real problem.
Per the FBI Crime Table 43 stats, Negro Men, who make up just 6.5% of the population in the U.S. commit more than 40% of the serious crime.
Time for this "culture" to take some responsibility for their actions
Well, depends on how you measure. White collar crime dwarfs street crime in dollar amounts. I mean Trump took a $25Million write off on property that he paid $12.5 for and claimed was $219 in 2012 as collateral on loans. So... somewhere around $190 Million in bank fraud. or $12.5 Million in tax fraud. One white guy.
She broke the law in another country. It's that simple.
...and found out that being a Black, lesbian "star" in a league no one cares about doesn't mean squat in Russia.
" being a Black, lesbian "star"
She's a human being nevertheless. That still means something in the USA, I hope.
...and what should that mean?
to embrace her XX chromosomes, learn humility, gratitude, the art of introspection and service to others while maximizing her gifts so as to have a meaningful life?
It should mean that she gets in line behind the other Americans who are also held in Russia. Get them out first, then we can talk about her.
But, but... (giggles) she's got a historical first black pro female lesbian out basketball endorsement... from Nike!
"...and what should that mean?"
If you value life and liberty, show some compassion for a fellow human being who's been deprived of her freedom for nothing.
"...who's been deprived of her freedom for nothing."
Yep, trueman really is that stupid. And smug about it.
She broke the law for no morally justifiable reason, and she thought she could get away with it because she's privileged and entitled. She'll probably not face extended jail time because Biden will bail her out.
What exactly should people show "compassion" for?
She's a human being nevertheless. That still means something in the USA, I hope.
When she eventually makes it back here, I'll bet she'll be extremely appreciative of that fact.
I'm sure that the only reason the US didn't threaten nuclear war to free her was White Supremacy.
She knelt for our Flag. Why should we help her?
Was she even a "star"? Admittedly, I don't follow the WNBA, but I don't follow lots of other sports and activities either and I'd never heard the name 'Britney Griner' until she got arrested (and I should note, looking up her *bio*, not stats, on Wikipedia, she sounds about 'stellar' as Michael Vick).
She is a "star" by the criteria of the WNBA standards and the press. The only reason the WNBA still exists is because it receives funding from the NBA.
She is a "star" by the criteria of the WNBA standards and the press.
Like literally? I'm asking about 'record number of triple-doubles in a season' or 'lifetime assist leader' stats that would normally denote an athlete as a star. Is she really the Colin Kapernick of the WNBA?
"Was she even a "star"? "
She's not enough of a celebrity to warrant your compassion. Shame.
We're not stupid enough to care about your drivel.
Do you feel the same "compassion" for income tax evaders? Or is your "compassion" limited to drug smuggling, privileged, entitled black chicks?
So did Pablo Escobar. These States promptly sent CIA teams, helicopters, radio gear and cubic yards of money to buy every judge and other politician in Colombia to let foreigners extradite citizens to Bush-Bidenista kangaroo courts. Soon every economy from Panamá to Uruguay collapsed.
Do the crime? Do the time. In any country.
Simply get superstitious lynch mobs to declare vices are crimes and pass some racial laws. National Socialism made it legal as sea salt.
"The fact that Ms. Griner is gay—she is the first openly gay athlete to be endorsed by Nike—is cause for even deeper worry given that LGBTQ people face open hostility and repression from Russian authorities."
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I guess Ukraine had to cycle out of the news at some point. I just didn't imagine Reason would kick every Ukrainian woman (lesbian or not, or even the men) not endorsed by Nike squarely in the cunt in doing so!
Does Icy Hot work on side pains from laughing?
*giggles*
The first lesbian endorsed by a shoe company that gets its labor from China, in a league no one watches propped up by a league captive to Communist China is in prison in Russia? [Gary Johnson voice]What's a Hong Kong?[/Gary Johnson voice]
*sniggers*
Well, that's the first criteria on my vacation travel planning list. Locations that I will face open hostility and repression by authorities.
I presume she was working when the conflict broke out. But the "cause for even deeper worry" comment is just retardedly self-unaware. Are we hearing about Britney Griner because she's just some run-of-the-mill-lesbian who just happened to be in Russia? No! They say it right there, she's a historic Nike-sponsored athlete. We're hearing about her because she's specifically *not* your average lesbian (supposedly). It's like saying all the animosity being directed at Elon Musk is cause for even deeper worry given that S. Africans openly face hostility and repression from authorities.
It's the self-defeating gay agenda/identity politics. Who cares that she's a mediocre player? Who cares that she was arrested for possession? Who cares that she was working in an emerging war zone? Who cares that she beat her ex-wife? Who cares that she skipped out on her ex-wife when she was pregnant? The important thing is, she's a lesbian, and whether anyone who doesn't play in the WNBA actually do associate themselves with her or not, they might!
She's a historic Nike-endorsed lesbian, playing basketball in a country that's famously oppressive to the gays.
Tells you something about her principles.
When traveling to another foreign country, you damn well better know and understand what the penalties are for carrying drugs, even pot.
How many Americans in Turkish prisons for believing heroin was ok there?
It's a good thing Griner wasn't caught in the Philippines.
Nineteen Americans are serving time in Peruvian prisons for drug trafficking or caught being mules.
It all boils down to the modern interpretation of the commerce clause.
Blame yourselves libs.
Let's hope the future will continue with more hard right appointments to the court in the hope that they will undermine the far reach of the commerce clause.
In addition we need a new constitutions amendment to explicitly rewrite the commerce clause so that it is nothing more than a guarantee of a free trade zone between the states, as it was originally intended.
Riiiight... Now sell that to the God's Own Tea-bertarian Party, which kept the "import terrorists" and "vigilante murder" planks in the platform while memory-holing the pathetic watery straddle on birth control.
In May, the Biden administration formally declared Griner wrongfully detained.
Aaaand, so much for equal protection. I know Brandon wipes himself on a daily basis with the Constitution he took an oath to, but an alert legislature would probably take action after an executive ignored more than two or three amendments in a calendar year.
the Biden administration...does nothing to help Americans jailed on souped-up drug charges...over 400,000 Americans remain detained in U.S. jails on drug-related charges in 2019.
The number of detained Americans has between jack and shit to do with whether the charges are "souped up". The charges can be immoral without being falsely enhanced.
The Biden brigade in the 1986 Senate WROTE those asset-forfeiture looting, no-knock, invade, corrupt and kidnap laws that made Americans as hated as Nixon all over Latin America.
Don't break laws in a foreign country. Especially if your country is engaged in a proxy war against it.
I was recently hired as a consultant to the WNBA to speak to the players on how to conduct themselves when they flew to foreign nations, especially places like China and the Former Soviet Union.
Here was a brief snippet of my talk.
There are over 2 million drug addicts in Russia today. You either underestimate the allure of drugs or overestimate the harshness of the Russian penal system.
"Many foreign cultures, especially in the East do not care if you took a knee, if you support Black Lives Matter..."
Many care, I assure you. At least as much as you do.
Yes, we're all pleased you're such a caring, lying, pile of shit.
B+. You left out the hard pill:
"Vladimir Putin doesn't care if you're First Woman Of Color to El Gee Bee Tee it up in the Double-U En Bee Ay any more than he cares that I'm the billionth white guy not to. He'll arrest you for carrying. That's how equality works."
I can understand the temptation to avoid it. It's practically begging to have an exposition about coming back to the USA and enjoying the fact that they *aren't* equal.
Yeah, see, if you aren't guilty, then the fact that you're on trial means the system's filters have already failed four times. If the system is working correctly, the innocent shouldn't wind up on trial at all.
If there's enough evidence to convince impartial police you probably did the crime, an impartial prosecutor you probably did the crime and can be successfully prosecuted, an impartial grand jury that you probably did the crime, and an impartial judge that there's a prima facie case that you committed the crime, then you're very likely guilty. Not certainty, of course, but very likely.
Since that's the way the system is supposed to work, the acquittal rate should damn well be low; anything else would indicate severe dysfunction of the system.
Conviction (or acquittal) rate is not, by itself an indictment of your justice system. Like "disparate impact" when looking at racial demographic statistics, it's merely "something to be explored further".
You might have one system with a high conviction rate because it's truly corrupt and gives defendants little leeway in challenging prosecutorial assertions. Another system may have a high conviction rate because it has layers of checks and balances before trial, so by the time a case gets to trial, most of the obviously innocent cases have been resolved in pre-trial or charges were simply dropped.
As you indicate, if you had an extremely high acquittal rate, that in and of itself would suggest a problem with your justice system, indicating a lot of innocent people are being arrested and dragged through the trial process unnecessarily.
Izzis sockpuppet going on about rights-violating crime or the sort of enjoyable vice that makes bigots froth with rage?
In the United States, such pleas are further incentivized by a draconian cash bail system.
to be replaced by Reason's favored "Binary Yes/No release system".
Reason will be the first to howl when a Red state gets rid of cash bail.
I sure hope Russia keeps her as long as possible.
I don't. I truly feel for her. But some of this is on the WNBA. If they're not hammering home to their half-witted players about taking drugs, or even non-drugs (non-psychoactive THC-- ie CBD oil) into faraway dictatorships, then they're failing their players. Jesus, my company makes me take a course on Export Controls, and I'm in IT. But I'm expected to pass a course on "dual use items" and "reimportation" guidelines of "rubber gloves" etc.
This isn't hard. Next week we're traveling to the Former Soviet Union (or China, or Turkey, or any country with a 'STAN' in its name), do not take ANY drugs, and even LEGAL drugs, you might want to be careful about.
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I don't. I truly feel for her.
Nope. Not in the least. See above, they want equality, guess what? Equality isn't you making a million bucks to take a knee before playing third-rate basketball on behalf of someone passing off forged checks while high on fentanyl. Equality isn't you getting suspended for a season because you beat your fiance while someone violating a restraining order gets paralyzed while going for his knife. Equality is you in the next cell over... in the men's prison. Don't want equality? Welcome to the free market. Don't want equality *and* don't want people getting paralyzed for violating a restraining order? Do better than beating your wife, taking a fucking knee, and walking into foreign country while holding. You wouldn't want Michael Vick or Harvey Weinstein getting special treatment, neither do we. This is what equality *before the law* looks like. Your notions of equality *and* the rules don't apply are a fairy tale that your parents, your teachers, and society failed to disabuse you of. They did Griner a disservice. You've been informed.
I'm now good at math. How are 99% and 83% conviction rates parallel?
proofread not
Your math may be improved, but reading comprehension is still lacking.
That’s 83% of the 5-10% that don’t end up in a plea deal. Get it yet?
Unless the argument is that she was framed and the drugs were not hers, then she did something incredibly risky by taking recreational drugs into Russia because she could not forgo imbibing while she was there. It is the action of a hedonist with no self discipline.
The point is not if Russia's laws are right or wrong, but that Russia does not protect civil rights in the same way the US Constitution does.
The point is not if Russia's laws are right or wrong, but that Russia does not protect civil rights in the same way the US Constitution does.
We're trying desperately to avoid the uncomfortable discussion about American Exceptionalism.
"Exceptionally racist!"
My guess was she is just stupid. She thought the US was a terrible repressive country and probably saw Russia as a beacon of something better. She had announced her hate for the US. I guess she learnt a lesson. Personally I don't care if they keep her there forever.
Griner, a 31-year-old Women's National Basketball Association (WNBA) all-star and two-time Olympic gold medallist, was arrested at Moscow's Sheremetyevo International Airport on February 17 on charges of carrying vape cartridges that contained hashish oil in her luggage. Hashish oil is illegal in Russia, despite it being decriminalized in many U.S. states. She could face a sentence of up to 10 years in jail.
"While outrage over Russia's court system is warranted"
Yea, I guess it is if you have no respect for other cultures and the laws of those cultures and countries.
I will be the up front in defending a person's rights to do drugs as long as doing so does not violate a contract they signed or harm other people.
The again as a libertarian I will be at the back of the line in telling other cultures how they must live and what laws they should have.
Russia has strict drug laws. Griner entered Russia with marijuana in her luggage. Possession of marijuana in Russia is subject to ten years imprisonment. That is their law. Griner claims she doesn't know how the marijuana got in her luggage. Assuming she is telling the truth ignorance is still no excuse for violating the law.
Americans and libertarians no matter where they live may think it is a bad law and be outraged by it. But the fact remains it is the law in Russia.
If other libertarians, count me out, don't like it they are free immigrate to Russia and try to change the law.
Sooo... Germany's death sentences for jewishness were a legitimate exercise of the physical restraint of men in the defense of individual rights. That would follow, right?
Outlawing drugs isn't even remotely the same as mass murdering Jews.
The Americans who are sent to federal prison for just smoking dope (this was before state legalization) make up less than 1% of the prison population.
Drug related crimes can be many things - growing and selling the stuff in bulk, giving it to minors, smoking it as a minor, etc. If Griner was simply caught with drug paraphernalia in Texas, she would have gotten slapped on the wrist, settled for fine and community services, and we would have gone through the usual song and dance about drug laws screw minorities. But otherwise her life would continue.
Remember that time Trump as slammed for saying "Do you think we're so innocent" when the topic of Russia or North Korean came up? He's technically right, but his point was made without regard to perspective or context. America is NOT as authoritarian or racist (!!!!!!!!) as many other countries. Whoever goes to prison in Russia for drug or other charges are almost certainly more screwed than the American counterparts. What's happening to Snowden is a minor tragedy, but it has no "parallels" to North Korean gulags and Chinese prison camps. A comparison based on conviction rate without the nature of crime and the criminal justice system of sovereign nations is just silly.
Yes, I’m sure whatever the The Washington Post editorial board writes stands for “national indignation.”
Entitled whiney babies. This is the result of modern feminism and the equity DEI movement.
Its never about equal treatment. It is always about getting special treatment.
I dont want anyone going to jail for stupid drug crimes. But play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you knowingly break the law assuming your status will save you, in a hostile country, it is your fault.
So the return to Christian Czarism with the Secret Police Chief now anointed dictator-for-life has made Russia a lot like Texas. Mystical prohibitionist pseudoscience is again a legitimate pretext for violent armed robbery by police. Brown girls can be thrown under the prison on the say-so of some goon alleging plant leaves, and that settles that! Has Russia's Libertarian Party also been transformed into the handmaid of girl-bullying and Austrian reproductive enslavement--as in These States?
Just like white boys can be thrown under the prison because they don't fully declare their income on their taxes.
And, in Griner's case, it is an established fact that she smuggled pot.
Generally, the last thousand or so years of western jurisprudence involved trying an individual for that individual's actions that caused harm to a victim -- who would be produced in court. Or a coroner's report produced in the case of murder.
Defendant harmed victim.
It's only been over the past century where the two subjects on each side of the word harm have become more than a bit convoluted.
Now you have the government claiming the defendant engages in a certain behavior. The legislature has deemed (due to their vigorous batch of hearings) that the overall group of people who engage in this behavior harms society.
Let's state the two in order.
Defendant harmed victim.
Overall group behavior (to which the defendant belongs) harms society.
The former is a proper use of the criminal justice system.
The latter uses it for social engineering experiments -- for which it was never designed.
This works both ways. Generally, the last thousand years or so of (good) western jurisprudence involved refuting or defending your actions or contesting the justness and applicability of the law, not pleading special protections. Chicken. Egg.
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