U.S. Admits To Providing Intel on Russian Assets to Ukraine
The last thing the U.S. should be doing is poking a nuclear bear.

On May 4, The New York Times revealed that the U.S. was providing classified Russian asset targeting intelligence to the Ukrainian military. While it's not surprising that the military would provide an ally with information about Russian troop movements, publicly admitting it is a dangerous mistake.
The anonymous U.S. officials who spoke to the Times did not say how many Russians were killed thanks to American intel. But it's unlikely that Ukrainians could have killed a dozen Russian generals without assistance. In an attempt to downplay the disclosure, National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson said U.S. battlefield intelligence was not provided to the Ukrainians "with the intent to kill Russian generals." Is that technicality supposed to placate Russian President Vladimir Putin?
The intelligence leak also revealed that U.S. information sharing was happening in "real time" and was not limited to Russian troop movement across Ukraine's contested Donbas region, where the population leans pro-Russian. For instance, U.S. officials told NBC that America gave the Ukrainian military details about the location of the Russian ship Moskva. Ukraine used American intel, in conjunction with its own maritime intelligence, to sink the warship with two Neptune missiles on April 14 (although Moscow still claims the Moskva sank due to a fire).
Following that victory, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby denied that the U.S. gave the Ukrainian military "specific targeting information" and claimed the U.S. "had no prior knowledge of Ukraine's intent to target the ship." Given the anonymous leak to The New York Times, this statement is hard to take at face value.
Since Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, President Joe Biden has insisted that "our forces are not and will not be engaged in a conflict with Russia in Ukraine." But leaking covert operations is an unnecessary escalation of an already precarious situation. While talking to leaders of the U.S. intelligence community, New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman reported, Biden used "the strongest and most colorful language" to explain how "this kind of loose talk is reckless and has got to stop immediately."
These disclosures, along with Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin's comment to the media that Russia should be "weakened to the degree it cannot do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine," can't sit well with Putin. And the last thing the U.S. should be doing is poking a nuclear bear.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Rattling Sabers at Russia."
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I voted for Biden partly because I knew he'd be more likely to get the US into a military conflict with Russia. Putin must pay for his crimes against humanity — the most egregious of which is denying Hillary Clinton the White House. (Invading Ukraine is pretty bad too.)
#LibertariansForProxyWars
#LibertariansForBiden
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Like the US loading munitions secretly onto the passenger liner Lusitania and then lying about is as a reason to enter WW1.
https//archive.archaeology.org/0901/trenches/lusitania.html
This after putting newly minted world Zionist leader Louis Brandeis to his cabinet as special counsel to WW1, and immediate change from the anti war platform he was elected on.
Lying US presidents and Jews working together again.
Brandeis's formal leadership of the Zionist movement in America extended through seven memorable years, 1914-21. During this period, he barnstormed the country speaking out on Zionism's behalf, won for Zionism a host of significant new supporters, oversaw a dramatic if temporary rise in Zionist movement memberships and fund-raising, played a behind- the-scenes role in formulating and winning American acceptance of the Balfour Declaration (1917-18), helped to author what became the official program of the American Zionist movement, the so-called Pittsburgh Program (19181, undertook his first (and only) tour of Palestine (1919) and was elected honorary president of the World Zionist Organization (1920).
The Balfour declaration
Foreign Office,
November 2nd, 1917.
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country".
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely
Arthur James Balfour
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"Brandeis's formal leadership of the Zionist movement in America extended through seven memorable years, 1914-21..."
And anti semitic shits like Misek hardest hit.
Fuck off and die, asshole
Brandeis also was a great supporter of freedom of expression and of Separation of Religion and State. He also regarded "sunshine as the best disinfectant" and would support your right to spout your venom if it meant you shrivel back under your rock.
Fuck Off, Nazi!
"Like the US loading munitions secretly onto the passenger liner Lusitania and then lying about is as a reason to enter WW1..."
Natch, our resident pile of Nazi shit attempts to re-frame the argument.
Simply, 'carrying munitions' might have been lied about by Wilson, but had nothing to do with the torpedoing.
Posted for the edification of those with half a brain, rather than the fucking brain-dead Nazi Misek.
Est shit and die, asshole.
I thought you'd like Woodrow Wilson, since he was Anti-Jewish and Anti-East European immigrants, Anti-Black by supporting segregation of the Civil Service, and featuring Birth of A Nation on the White House home projector, as well as Pro-Eugenics, and he nationalized whole industries in World War I, just like Mr. You-Know-Who-Else.
Fuck Off, Nazi!
So why did he advocate for Brandeis when everyone else rejected him?
It is rumoured that Wilson had been fooling around and was blackmailed by the Zionists through Samuel Untermeyer.
Shortly after President Wilson's first inauguration, he received a visitor in the White House by the name of Mr. Samuel Untermeyer. Untermeyer was a prominent New York City attorney who contributed generously to the National Democratic committee that installed President Wilson in the White House in Washington in the 1912 election. President Wilson was very glad to welcome him to the White House. They had met before during the campaign.
Mr. Untermeyer surprised President Wilson that he had been retained to bring a breach of promise action against him. He informed the President that his client was willing to accept $40,000 in lieu of action. Untermeyer's client was the former wife of a professor at Princeton University at the same time Wilson was a professor there.
Untermeyer produced a packet of letters, written by President Wilson to his colleague's wife when they were neighbors at Princeton. He had written many endearing letters to her, many of which she never destroyed. President Wilson acknowledged his authorship of the letters.
Untermeyer volunteered to give President Wilson's former sweetheart the $40,000 out of his own pocket on one condition: that Wilson promise him to appoint to the first vacancy on the United States Supreme court a nominee to be recommended to Wilson by Untermeyer. Wilson agreed to do so.
Untermeyer kept the packet of letters to insure against any similar attempt.
When President Wilson was required to appoint a new member of the Supreme Court, Untermeyer recommended Louis Brandeis. A Jew had never served on the Supreme Court before.
The President and Justice Brandeis became unusually intimate friends. Brandeis knew the circumstances of his appointment to the Supreme Court.
In 1914, Justice Brandeis was the most politically influential of all Zionists in the United States. He was in a powerful position to serve Jews both at home and abroad. The opportunity to perform a great service for his Zionist followers soon became available.
Justice Brandeis volunteered his opinion to Wilson that the sinking of the S.S. Sussex by a German submarine with the loss of lives of United States citizens justified the declaration of war. Relying upon the legal opinion of Justice Brandeis, President Wilson appealed to Congress to declare war on Germany April 2, 1917.
It is commonly understood that Brandeis more than anyone else guided Wilson into committing America to World War I.
Taken from The Hidden Tyranny written in 1961 by Benjamin H.
Freedman, pages 7-9.
Actually, it wasn't secret and it wasn't the US doing it. The UK was buying ammo and shipping it in passenger liners. Everyone knew they were doing it, including the Germans.
The quantity of ammunition loaded secretly on the Lusitania in New York City made it a legal combatant which would have clearly excluded it’s sinking as a reason for war.
Wilson knew this. Do you think the innocent civilian passengers did?
Duh. We knew this. Why does it take so long for the "news" to finally print known information? It's a shame the news media sits for so long on or denies information unfavorable to the establishment
It didn't happen until the NYT says it did.
This is a posting from Reason's print edition. If you look, it is commenting on NYT stuff from early May. It is just reposted commentary from the snail-mail, dead tree edition.
I get through most of the print edition while sitting on the crapper. Regularity is once a month...the print edition I mean.
"And the last thing the U.S. should be doing is poking a nuclear bear."
Message received loud and clear! Get yourselves some nukes, Nation XYZ, and you can do whatever you want, with "qualified immunity"!
Well yeah, actually. In 1991 Ukraine was the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
If Ukraine hadn't given up its nukes in 1994 I doubt Russia would be invading it now.
Probably because there would have been a war in 1994
Hey, Nardz! Here's a buddy of yours who wants to make Putin's War in Ukraine into a religious Jihad
Russia engaged in 'holy war' against army of 'the Antichrist': Chechen forces commander
Brady Knox
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/foreign/russia-holy-war-against-army-antichrist-chechen-forces-commander
A real Ecumenical lunatic you have as a fellow ally of Putin! Apti Alaudinov cites The Holy Bible, The Torah, and Al-Qu'ran as his agitprop for Putin's genocide and tyranny! And all because he's scared of LGBTQ+ Pride Flags!
By the way, Nardz: You don't have to be double-vaxxed and boostered to hate Putin...But I'm living proof that it helps you hate him longer, better, faster, qnd stronger! 🙂
Yeah, that's pretty much how it works. Which is why countries want nuclear weapons. And why most people don't want more countries to have nuclear weapons.
Except Iran. Biden seems anxious for them to get them. Democrats love for Iran is baffling.
The last time the bear got sick, we applied Poking Therapy with considerable vigor, until to the dismay of many liberals and few Russians, the poor thing died.
"While it's not surprising that the military would provide an ally with information about Russian troop movements"
An ally? Did Ukraine join NATO while we weren't looking?
Also, the whole article is an exercise in saying "We shouldn't be at war with Russia" as obliquely as possible. Leaked information is not a public admission and the two roads out are: A) stop conducting war or B) stop leaking information. The article is never explicit about which would be the preferred route.
It does however, tease that the Donbas is leaning pro-Russia.
Donbas was leaning pro-Russian ages ago. East of the Dnipr River, more than 40% of the population is Russian speaking. The percentage goes up to more than 80% as you get closer to the Russian border.
I don't find these arguments particularly persuasive because people are mobile. If I said 80% of South Texas was Spanish speaking, is that therefore grounds that Texas has to cede territory to Mexico? Similarly, Austrians speak German. Should Austria be forced to cede Vienna to Germany just because they share a language?
1) Russians can, and have, been moving into the Ukraine. To some extent this was a deliberate push by Russia to give them grounds for a territorial dispute.
2) Russian was the official language of the Soviet Union and was taught in schools in the Ukraine until the Soviet Union broke up. Ukrainians largely still speak Russian as a primary second language, and even if they didn't, the languages are similar enough that Russians don't really need to learn Ukrainian to live there.
The issue of the border and the territorial disputes is quite complicated, and it can't be resolved as simply as saying that the natives are a certain nationality or speak a certain language.
What language they speak isn't very relevant. But that many of them consider themselves Russian and not Ukrainian is.
If 80% of south texas residents considered themselves Mexican and were willing to fight the US government over it, then I think they might have a case for ceding some territory to Mexico, or to an autonomous state that can later decide how to proceed.
Donbas was leaning pro-Russian ages ago.
You know that and I know that. I don't think everyone who supports the war in the Ukraine knows that or has considered the full ramifications of it.
If Ukraine is an allied nation, how some we haven't declared war on Russia? It seems there's some kind of significant breakdown here.
Ukraine is the American people's enemy
Funny, I don't see Ukraine fighting us to take a drink from the Mississsippi.
A country has to be a member of NATO to be an ally of the US?
So much hysteria. Russia is not going to start a nuclear war over Donbas or Crimea. Calm the fuck down.
Russia will not attack Ukraine, stop the hysteria. It's just a military war game and Putin will not attack, stop the hysteria.
Hysteria proved correct and although provoked, Putin did attack.
Don't buy the propaganda on either side. Neither side are saints nor pure evil although both sides claim otherwise.
The only reason Russia attacked Ukraine is because they they thought the US and NATO were weak and they could get away with it. So, if your concern is not having more or a bigger war than what is going on right now, I would suggest to you that groveling and sucking Russian cock in hopes they show mercy is probably not going to get you there. In fact, that is pretty much the best way to ensure a bigger and longer war. Weakness causes wars not strength.
Or just stay the fuck out of what is a civil war and border skirmish where the American people have absolutely nothing to gain...
A civil war is two forces fighting within one nation for control. Russia invaded a sovereign nation.
And if it is an exacerbating cause of food shortage and fuel shortage, (not only, of course, but exacerbating,) then fuck yeah, it is our business, if not to fight directly, then to at least let private citizens give aid.
No, but he could have all oil and gas sold to Western Europe shut down through the winter, not just the slow down wrecking havoc now. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw billions in reparations added to the peace negotiations for these actions.
He can do that. And he won't be getting the money that comes from selling it too. Moreover, the US providing Intel isn't going to change that decision. As far as Europe goes, maybe they should have not listened to the roving bands of green enviro retards and not gotten so dependent on Russia in the first place. Putin cutting them off will just wake them up and cause them to stop buying his gas altogether. So, I really don't think that is a very good idea on Putin's part.
Some 50+ years ago, when America was embroiled in Vietnam, both China and Russia provided quite a bit of aid to the North Vietnamese....and killed many American soldiers.
Turnabout is fair play, Vlad. If you don't like (or want) your troops dying, you can always return to the status quo ante.
Soon, the 'ante' will be 'upped'. It is only a matter of time. Ammo dumps and bases inside Russia close to the Ukrainian border will be attacked. Sevastopol might well come under missile attack. The Moskva seems like a trial run to me. The Russians did diddly-squat about it.
As Ukraine becomes more desperate, they will resort to increasing dire measures. When ordinary Russians start feeling the pain of war themselves, then leadership behavior will change. They will look for a face-saving exit ramp.
It is in America's interest to provide an off-ramp to Russia that returns the state of things to status quo ante (circa January 2022).
We need to preserve military capacity for the looming war coming to Taiwan.
Quite bloodthirsty with other people's lives and families, aren't you.
Yeah, it is the US and Ukraine who are the blood thirsty ones. Putin and Russia are just victims here. How dare the Ukrainians not roll over and let Putin take over their country. Anything other than "let the Russians win" is aggression and making Putin the victim to you assholes.
Ukraine has been killing civilians for almost a decade, but how dare the people of Donetsk and Luhansk not let Kiev outlaw their language, murder their families, and continue to open their lives and lands despite independence referendums.
Hey Nardz, are your a contract FSB troll.....or do you have an office that overlooks Lubyanka Square? (...if the latter, I bet you miss the statue of Iron Felix, a favorite of totalitarian Russian fascists...) Make sure tye pay you in USD, because soon those rubles are only going to be good for vodka, potatoes, bread and oil... And remember to have an escape plan, or you might get to tour the penal colonies of Siberia.
The Russians have been butchering entire ethnic minorities for centuries.
"Yeah, it is the US and Ukraine who are the blood thirsty ones. Putin and Russia are just victims here."
Ukrainians were ready to take peace a few months ago, but then Johnson and American politicians pressured them to continue fighting.
That is a cold and blood thirsty move, even if the Russians themselves are equally bloodthirsty.
Commentor XY,
Attacking targets in Russia would allow Putin to declare war and use his entire army.
Right now it’s a “special military operation” and he can only use volunteers and military contractors.
So attacking targets in Russia and making the Russian people feel the pain of war, would unify the entire nation behind using all the military resources to achieve complete victory
Korea before that.
Later we took turns in Afghanistan.
And how quickly we forget Serbia?
"Soon, the 'ante' will be 'upped'...The Moskva seems like a trial run to me. The Russians did diddly-squat about it."
The Russians seemed to move from a military exercise to shelling the shit out of Ukrainian residential and industrial buildings. And the rest of the world seems to have done diddly-squat about it, other than shrug and give more weapons to Ukraine.
What Ukraine needs is a Nuclear Physicist Sam Cohen-style "Wall Against War" such as he proposed for Israel vs. it's Arab and Muslim enemies. See the interview with Sam Cohen in the archives of Reason.
No invasion of Russia required. Set up pylons of radiation generators along the border that will kill any invading Putineer that comes within 1500 feet of Ukraine's borders. This will put an end to this shit quick!
As Ukraine becomes more desperate, they will resort to increasing dire measures. When ordinary Russians start feeling the pain of war themselves, then leadership behavior will change. They will look for a face-saving exit ramp.
I'm sure Ukraine's status quo ownership of the Donbas *could* turn out like the North's ownership of the post-war South. I'm not saying I have the answers or that we should be involved. Just pointing out that it doesn't exactly look like Russians are the only people in need of an off-ramp.
Whoops thread fail.
President Joe Biden has insisted that "our forces are not and will not be engaged in a conflict with Russia in Ukraine.
He's also spoken, and tweeted, repeatedly, that we're at war. So maybe he needs to work on consistent messaging. He's used the war as reason to suggest price freezes and other measures aimed at oil companies, so his assertions that we're not in an armed conflict gets kinda confusing.
Currently the US does have boots on the ground, but instead of "Regular Troops" the US has "Trainers". The reality is that we are at War, but the public is being lied to by our elected officials from the very top to the legislature to the Pentagon. They are being "Cute" with the language. Sorry to say it, but in reality we are at War even if they call it something else.
If this War is to continue then I expect a formal declaration of war, voted on by the legislature. I expect the legislature to reign in the Tyrant in Chief and limit the executive power to engage in offensive military actions without approval by the legislature.
It is called a proxy war. The US and Russia has been fighting proxy wars since the late 1940s. The US had trainers on the ground in Afghanistan in the 1980s. That didn't result in a nuclear war and neither is this.
Without proxy wars how will our military be able to test new weapons systems and keep people with real combat experience?
This is the first big conventional war in Europe since World War II. This is much bigger than the side shows that went on in the Balkans. And we are seeing first hand just how the Russians fight and how a modern war with drones and such between somewhat peer competition plays out. Yeah, there is a lot to be learned and gained from this war. There is more there than just laughing at the Russians getting their asses handed to them and burning through their entire Cold War arsenal.
"laughing at the Russians getting their asses handed to them and burning through their entire Cold War arsenal."
LOL
So what did Briggs say that was wrong?
We had no business in Afghanistan in the 80s, either, nor in Vietnam. Look at how both of those situations have turned out for the US. We don't need to be engaging in proxy wars in the Ukraine either.
Yes, anything that doesn't involve "let the communists win" is clearly a case of US aggression.
You know who had less business in Afghanistan in the 80s? The Soviets. But, just ignore that. Only the US is ever guilty of anything. Ass Monkey.
Funny how TV says russiamanbad, and all of a sudden some people forget just who the fuck is leading the west these days...
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1495784033850175490?t=rnNbL2KOcDMhK-ZqBT28_g&s=19
This is the pretext for the existence of the World Economic Forum: the changes coming are inevitable and so fast and so dangerous that we need stewardship of them in the WEF technocrats, who are the only ones who can understand them adequately. This is the power grab.
Their solution is a fusion of the kissing cousins of Communism and fascism, of course, for our "collective future," we need "a comprehensive and globally shared view" that rejects "linear (non-disruptive) thinking." Enter "stakeholders."
Read this however you want, but this is Schwab's stated objective: to take the Fourth Industrial Revolution, which is already naturally underway, and shape it according to his vision. That vision is elsewhere seen to be fascistic, Communist, transhumanist, and under WEF control.
[Thread, links]
If all anyone ever paid attention to was you and your Twitter feed, that person would think Vladamir Putin was a Libertarian.
By the bye, Tranhumanists can be and many are Libertarian-minded. Their philosophy isn't: "Resistance Is Futile! You Will Be Assimilated!" It's more like: "Come on in jf yoy like! The virtual water is just fine!"
I may not agree with some of the hyperbole of Nardz's conclusions, but I totally agree with him on the danger of the World Economic Forum and what their end-game is. I regularly read their website, just to remind me how cult behavior is nurtured and molded.
Okay? Two wrongs don't make a right. Russia shouldn't have invaded Afghanistan. Also, it was not an American defense priority and we had no business training up the Mujahideen, who later became the Taliban that housed Al-Qaeda. Getting involved there had direct consequences that weren't worth "owning the Soviets."
Are trainers like "Military Advisors"? I seem to recall a previous boogie starting with those ...
We aren't at war, our government is at war - against both Russia and the American people
Too much watching "West Wing" re-runs. You don provide confirmation of a "suspicion." Fortunately we have no mean tweets. Even after the mussels fly, Orange Man Bad won't be president, so though the Heavans fall, we are "good."
Yikes! Flying mussels? Sounds biblical.
One day there'll be a war with autocorrect as the root cause.
I swear to f’ing God Apple’s Autocorrect is the cause of more frustration and some black humor than Trump and/or Biden.
So there are some things where it is proper for governments should not be completely transparent on their foreign policy activities, despite Wikileaks philosophy on the matter.
Yes. But reason lives in lala land where every problem can be solved by just following the correct principles. They really are so shallow and stupid they think having a set of principles and following them is the answer to everything.
Wel, principles are important, of course, but they must be the right ones.
Defense of the Individual Rights of U.S. Citizens against foreign threats should be considered Job 1 of U.S. foreign policy. We shouldn't be trying to "nation-build" or "win hearts and minds" with our military might. At the same time, though, we aren't totally unaffected by actions abroad and we shouldn't feel obligated to wait unntil enemies of Liberty are within our borders. Where the U.S. Govdrnment should act is subject of honest difference. To me, the best thing the U.S. Government can do is get out of the way of U.S. Citizen helpong Ukrainians with arms qnd volunteers and get out of the way of domestic energy production, both for safety of people at home and of fellow freedom-lovers wbrowd.
So there are some things where it is proper for governments should not be completely transparent on their foreign policy activities, despite Wikileaks philosophy on the matter.
I remain unconvinced that a clear action and statement of "We will/won't go to war with Russia." is substantially better than the perpetual war of "Mmm... *could* be!"
Moscow still claims the Moskva sank due to a fire)
Specifically, they claimed it was a fire in an ammunition magazine. The fact that the ship is still (mostly) intact disproves that.
OMG, Russia could cut off oil shipments to the US! But those have gone most notably to fellow travelers in New England, who wish for the US oil industry to die. And some righteous Bostonians might have a chilly winter, and learn something.
Carry on with the intel sharing.
Oh please. We've been fighting proxy wars with Russia for DECADES.
It's their turn to take direct casualties.
Some interesting reports that they are deploying "non-Russians" to Ukraine to minimize casualties from Moscow and St. Petersburg.
Like the reddit brigade, and all the NATO contractors?
Hey, if you want to be a casualty, go for it.
Involve me at gunpoint, you might not get the choice anymore.
The last thing the U.S. should be doing, is typically the very thing that the U.S. is doing.
"What should we do..."
"War."
"No I mean with..."
"War."
But shouldn't we just..."
"War."
But won't a lot of people..."
"War."
"The last thing the U.S. should be doing, is typically the very thing that the U.S. is doing."
We had a POTUS who did not involve us in any new 'military action' but TDS-addled shitpiles seem to be more concerned with mean tweets than body-bags.
Hey, Brandyshit! Yes, you and the rest of the assholes!
This article is written by an idiot. A typical media know nothing.
The sheer number of high ranking Russian casualties has already told anyone with a clue that the west - likely both the US, and the UK have been sharing serious SIGINT with the Ukes.
This latest chatter was not aimed at the Russians.
"...Ukraine's contested Donbas region, where the population leans pro-Russian..."
Why is the author of this article parroting Russian talking points? The only *genuine* indication of the leanings of Ukrainians was the 1991 referendum on independence... Where the country voted by an overwhelming 92% in favor of separation from Russia. Not a single city, town, or oblast voted in favor of remaining a part of the Russian dominated USSR. In fact every political unit in Ukraine voted by more than two to one for independence. Now there have been parties in Ukraine that have more or less favored cooperation with Russia.....but that is a hell of a lot different from becoming a part of Russia or a wholly occupied client-state, a position that none of them have advocated for.
Well, none of them except the ones in Luhansk and Donetsk who have split off with Russian support. And a 30 year old vote is ludicrous as support of your fairy tale.
Russian plant?