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Abortion

Elizabeth Warren Wants To Shut Down All of the Country's Crisis Pregnancy Centers

Doing so would be blatantly unconstitutional.

Liz Wolfe | 7.14.2022 10:45 AM

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"In Massachusetts right now, those crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people who are looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber true abortion clinics by three to one," Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) told NBC 10 Boston. "We need to shut them down here in Massachusetts and we need to shut them down all around the country."

"You should not be able to torture a pregnant person like that," she added, referring to the work done by the pro-life charities.

Warren: "Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber abortion clinics by 3-1. We need to shut them down all around the country."
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— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 12, 2022

It's unclear what legal authority Elizabeth Warren would use to enact her will. In fact, a sitting U.S. senator trying to shut down charitable organizations, like crisis pregnancy centers, for no violation of laws but rather due to the fact that they further the pro-life cause, would be quite blatantly unconstitutional.

Warren has, in the past, creatively suggested that abortion clinics be set up on federal lands. And last month, she introduced the Stop Anti-Abortion Disinformation Act, along with Reps. Carolyn B. Maloney (D–N.Y.) and Suzanne Bonamici (D–Ore.) and Sen. Bob Menendez (D–N.J.), which would empower the Federal Trade Commission to crack down on purportedly false claims made by crisis pregnancy centers. If passed, these pro-life centers could be fined $100,000 (or 50 percent of revenues earned by the parent entity) for violating the "prohibition on [abortion] disinformation." But the bill does not define, with any specificity, what qualifies as disinformation—that's to be expanded on at a later date, per the bill's text—and it's hard to see how this wouldn't entail either unconstitutional restrictions on activists' free speech or some kind of highly-politicized body attempting to define "disinformation" in biased ways.

Per Warren's comments and legislation, it's clear she has a problem with crisis pregnancy centers and their work, which she claims is tantamount to "torture." But she can't harness the power of the federal government to go after these organizations because she dislikes the cause they're promoting.

If a specific crisis pregnancy center is engaged in fraudulent activity—breaking actual laws—that's cause for investigation and possible shutdown. And she is correct to claim that some of them do provide misleading information. An NBC News investigation, in which reporters went undercover, found that a crisis pregnancy center at the southern border "played a video saying that abortions cause mental illness," and had a staffer "impl[ying] that abortions can cause cancer and infertility." When a producer visited another crisis pregnancy center as part of the investigation, a counselor repeated infertility scaremongering before gifting her baby booties for her child. Claims about abortion being linked to infertility and cancer are not true; medically speaking, abortion is actually quite safe (for the mother, that is).

Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans. Some crisis pregnancy centers use aggressive, deceptive marketing to capture women's abortion-related search results and lure them into the centers, which get disguised as clinics. (As Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote recently, some Democratic senators—Warren included—are trying to pressure Google CEO Sundar Pichai to restrict crisis pregnancy centers from search results and to attach disclaimers to the pregnancy centers that do pop up.)

Warren misses or obscures the fact that many of these centers provide clothing, diapers, formula, and counseling to women who are severely in need—all while ignoring that these centers have recently come under attack by arsonists and vandals all over the country who are trying to prevent these centers from performing the charitable work they set out to do. Of course, volunteers and workers at these centers are not agnostic about which choice women make; these charities are all founded to persuade women to choose not to abort their babies. They're attempts by pro-lifers to spend their time and resources in a way that's consistent with their convictions.

Pro-choicers frequently criticize pro-lifers for abandoning women once they've made the decision not to abort or for being insufficiently charitable toward mothers in need. But crisis pregnancy centers are attempts, however imperfect, at precisely that. Whatever you think of their tactics, calling for them to be shut down by the federal government would be a gross misuse of state power.

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  1. Ronbback   3 years ago

    the left is scary crazy authoritarians who finally see the light of act now before we stop them forever

    1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

      Ken had it right the first time. Republicans are authoritarians. The left are totalitarians.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

        Did the Peanuts cancel Ken?

        Haven't seen him post recently.

        1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

          You seem to have dramatically scaled back your #DefendBidenAtAllCosts activities as well.

          I explained to the Peanuts that, as the Oracle of Dogdick Georgia, you're making so much money in the #BidenBoom that spending it is your new full time job.

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          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            As I explained several weeks ago this place has gotten boring with all the QAnon Trump cultists who cannot be reasoned with.

            I miss Republicans like Liz Cheney who would blaspheme Jesus himself for a 1% tax cut BUT who still respect the rule of law and the Constitution. There are none of those here.

            As for Biden - he is fumbling and bumbling along and will be remembered as a president of no consequence. Unlike the Con Man - who will continue to live in ignominy.

            1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

              "I miss Republicans like Liz Cheney"

              Indeed. I've often wondered how surreal it must be for you that your arch enemies of 15 - 20 years ago — David "Axis of Evil" Frum, Bill Kristol, Jeffrey "Iraq / Al Qaeda Connection" Goldberg, the Cheney family, Colin Powell (RIP) — have become your party's heroes.

              #HatingDrumpfIsAllThatMatters

              1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

                Why yes!

                The QAnon Trump Cult makes the deranged NeoCon Bushpigs look sane in comparison!

                Your insight is appreciated once again.

                1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   3 years ago

                  Totally.

                  It's like, yeah, invading Iraq over WMD was arguably a mistake. But practically every week Orange Hitler did something way worse. Remember when he literally started World War 3 by killing that Iranian guy?

                  #DrumpfHasBloodierHandsThanDubya

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                  2. Bruce D   3 years ago

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                  3. Moira   3 years ago

                    "invading Iraq over WMD was arguably a mistake"

                    You mean the whole "mistake" of lying about there being WMD's in Iraq in the first place? Over half a million lives lost in total on both sides over a LIE so the Neocons could line their pockets. Quite the oopsie. At least Bushy jr. has something to look forward to, joining his dear ol' dad in eternal damnation. War criminal scum.

                2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  "QAnon Trump Cult"

                  QAnon is a 4chan troll that the Democratic Party adopted to frighten wine moms and dissuade bien pensants of the notion that they're full of pedophiles.

                  Of course shrike would try to peddle it here.

                  1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                    Bringing up QAnon in an argument should have it's own label like Godwin's Law.

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                3. Dariush   3 years ago

                  So when are you changing your old, stupid, and outdated handle? Sarah Palin, for real? The fact that you slapped the number 2 after the name because your original Sarah Palin’s Buttplug account was banned for posting links to child pornography shows how stupid you fucking are.

                  The same mouth breather who told us George Bush was the worst president ever! So when Desantis wins in 2024 is your next handle going to be Trump’s CumDumpster? Your brain is lagging you disgusting kiddie diddler.

                4. The Big Guy   3 years ago

                  you people are truly sick in the head

              2. Help Save American   3 years ago

                Funny guy. Folks like you and the fake Indian Warren are destroying the Democrat Party. Thank you for what you do!

            2. Ted   3 years ago

              You’ve likely been busy raising the needed funds to post bond. As it is likely the police finally caught up to your child rape activities.

            3. Will Sowell   3 years ago

              Repubelicants like Changeling. You make a mockery of insipid insanity, which would be an improvement for you. The chameleon playing her pseudo search for justice scam with billions of our taxpayers dollars lining her pockets, just because her hiney got twisted up with hurt.
              Biden’s unjustified support of Ukraine war doing his best to protect the immense corruption of himself and Hunter of whores. The most corrupt and demented Pres in history, lining his crusty pockets at taxpayer expense infinitely, and destroying my country. Leave with your traitor heroes please!!

          2. Chip D   3 years ago

            Well, many pretend to give medical advice that they are not qualified to give. If or when they commit fraud which many do..they should be shut down.

        2. sarcasmic   3 years ago

          The election broke him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in an institution.

          1. Ted   3 years ago

            Ken actually made useful comments. And he wasn’t drunk all the time.

            1. sarcasmic   3 years ago

              Ken repeated Republican talking points practically verbatim. Not what I would call useful. And your drinking isn't my problem.

              1. Ted   3 years ago

                I barely drink, and I’m not the one with the alcohol problem. You are, by your own description. Your assessment of Ken’s comments is bullshit. The fact is that you hated him for calling you out on the democrat nonsense you spout much of the time.

          2. DesigNate   3 years ago

            An election broke a lot of people here, but it wasn’t 2020.

        3. Overt   3 years ago

          No SPB, you ought to have been canceled, but you just recycle your user names.

          A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. Rather than follow the will of Reason’s staff, you resurrected that identity and continue to post here. A decent person would realize how abhorrent this behavior is, burn the SPB identity and return under some new handle. While that wouldn’t change your despicable appetites, it would at least respect a community’s wishes to not mix with pedophiles. But since you have no shame, the only thing I and others can do is point out your past behavior rather than converse with you.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

            And you represent the QAnon Trump Cult very nicely.

            You know, you should not worship any politician, much less a hack like Trump. I know the cult of personality has drawn you in. Cults are like that and political cults attract the worst elements in society.

            You're sick. Get help.

            You need de-programming.

            1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

              Your argument is literally
              "I post child porn, but you said something good about trump so that makes you worse"

              1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                It's all he's got. Squealing about QAnon and pretending he's not a child molester.

                1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   3 years ago

                  A QAnon influencer who accused Democrats of being pedophiles turned out to be a convicted child molester

                  But you guys always end up being the true pedophiles.

                  https://www.insider.com/qanon-influencer-said-dems-were-pedophiles-is-real-child-molester-2021-10

                  You Denny Hastert Republicans infect most of the party.

                  You Trump Cultists are sick. Get Help.

                  1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                    The desperation in your posts is palpable.

                  2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    I couldn't be a Denny Hastert Republican even if I wanted to, shrike. And I think that you know why.

                    1. Ted   3 years ago

                      Shrike is just jealous of all the action Hastert was getting. He certainly never has a problem with child molesters.

                  3. Ted   3 years ago

                    You’re confused. We’re talking about YOUR pedophilia. Which you showcased here of your own will. So quit trying to deflect. You are a child molester

                    Let’s talk about that.

            2. DesigNate   3 years ago

              Imagine being so fucking stupid that you accuse Overt of being a trump supporter.

              Congratulations shrike, you’ve proven yet again why you earned the crown for dumbest motherfucker to post here.

      2. GreenBeanMarine   3 years ago

        Republicans are republicans. They dont play word games and pervert language like democrats, who are not pro democracy. Republicans however are pro constitutional republic, like their name suggests.

    2. voluntaryist   3 years ago

      If the govt. is "...scary crazy authoritarians..." how much more scary, crazy must the voters be? Why would anyone with common sense support the coercive paradigm that exists in every country worldwide? Has humanity lost its sanity?

  2. Moonrocks   3 years ago

    YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE! just as long as you choose abortion

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

      Dude, the whole point of choice is for the state to choose for you.

      1. Lysander Jefferson   3 years ago

        They don’t resemble small humans. They are genetically humans.

        1. Chip D   3 years ago

          there is no defenition of "Genetically Human"

          1. DesigNate   3 years ago

            What?

          2. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

            If some thing is genetically human, and another thing is genetically a sloth, there doesn’t need to be a dictionary definition. The distinction, and therefore definition, is implied. The trick is having the intellect to grasp the implication.

            1. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

              Yeah, replied to wrong person. I just hope with all the lawyers around they don’t convince you it was libelous.

    2. mpercy   3 years ago

      And don't try to refuse getting jabbed with an emergency use-only "vaccine" that was cooked up in labs after a few weeks of the virus taking hold.

  3. damikesc   3 years ago

    Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans."

    Given that they ALREADY have to do ultrasounds (unless you support doctors rooting around women's bodies blindly), why is deplorable for them to have the women see it?

    Is libertarianism now a movement that opposes providing information to allow people to make decisions?

    1. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

      You cannot have women being confronted with the idea that what they are pregnant with is not a mere cluster of cells.

      1. JFree   3 years ago

        So do these centers help instruct the pregnant women how their fetus will use the diapers and formula? Since it is really a baby person after all?

        1. Lysander Jefferson   3 years ago

          Apparently so!!!

        2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

          Yes actually they do provide material support after the child is born

        3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Yes. Most provide free genecology exams, birthing, adoption services, peripartum and postpartum care, nurse visits, as well as supplies like diapers and formula for up to two years.

          The only thing that they don't do is abortion.

          Millions of women without insurance use them.

        4. Minadin   3 years ago

          https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1547239313171259394

          "They are not fake centers. In 2019, they served 1.85 million families, provided $266 million worth of goods - of car seats, of baby formula, of diapers, of things that women really need."

        5. Nardz   3 years ago

          Damn, jfree, this really didn't go how you thought it would... like most of your life.

          1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

            That's what happens when you live in a blue bubble. You're not even aware of fundamental charitable services used by millions of people.

            1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

              Or thoughtful enough to do a quick Google search before attempting an "own."

          2. JFree   3 years ago

            It went exactly as I thought.
            The people running those places are a combo of well-intentioned and devious.
            The commenters here don't give a shit about the women, are all too happy to steal other's charitable impulses as their own, and are clueless enough to fall into the usual Qu'ils mangent de la brioche.

            1. JesseAz   3 years ago

              Did this make sense to you in some way?

              I mean, you initially stated your clear ignorance. These centers are open with what they do. People pointed it out to you how yes they provide care post pregnancy. And then you devolved to this.

              LOL.

              1. JFree   3 years ago

                Haha. So you confuse snark/sarcasm with ignorance.

                1. Minadin   3 years ago

                  Ah, the "I was only pretending to be retarded" gambit.

                  Classic. Joke's on us.

                  https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded

                  1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                    He's stealing one of sarcasmic's plays.

                  2. JFree   3 years ago

                    What part of - How does one put a diaper on a fetus (and for what purpose)? - do you think is a serious question?

                    1. Minadin   3 years ago

                      Did you miss the part where we admitted defeat to your superior intellect, wit, and reasoning?

                      Or, were you only pretending to be winning?

                      Got us again, dammit. You're too good.

                    2. bkuzz   3 years ago

                      Something Biden has in common. diapers.

            2. damikesc   3 years ago

              "The people running those places are a combo of well-intentioned and devious."

              Sneaky bastards...giving women health care and support in both child rearing or putting a child up for adoption. Will their evil never cease?

              "The commenters here don't give a shit about the women, are all too happy to steal other's charitable impulses as their own, and are clueless enough to fall into the usual Qu'ils mangent de la brioche."

              Mother Theresa used to take of beggars. Fucking bitch, doing the work of "the man" and all.

              1. JFree   3 years ago

                I believe Mother Theresa is the Godwin of 'libertarian charity' discussion.

                1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

                  What the fuck is wrong with you?

                  1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

                    Have you not paid attention to it's commenting?

          3. Bruce D   3 years ago

            Actually, he said fetus not baby. I have no problem with "crisis" pregnancy centers so ling as they do not mislead women seeking abortion that they may provide or facilitate abortion. If they state that they do not provide or facilitate abortion or abortion related services, then they're being honest.

            1. Bruce D   3 years ago

              so "long", not so "ling"

        6. Will Sowell   3 years ago

          Crikey, you must come from the same school of biology as Jumanji Brown, Biden’s brilliant quota SCJ. Hacks you all.

      2. Moira   3 years ago

        It's not sentient until the age of viability. Something the pro-life crowd would know if they actually gave two fucks about the fetus they claim to care so much about.

    2. Overt   3 years ago

      There is nothing wrong with it, and I don't see how Ms Wolfe was passing judgement on it. She made a factual statement. Most crisis centers will happily admit that they use ultrasounds to convince the mother that abortion will kill a human.

      1. JimboJr   3 years ago

        imagine pretending that trying to talk someone into not killing their baby is on equal moral grounds to actually killing your baby no questions asked.

        what in the fuck is wrong with these people

        1. Overt   3 years ago

          Which people? My point is that Liz Wolfe, a pro-life libertarian if I recall the 1000000 Roe v Wade articles that were written over the last few months, wasn't criticizing the crisis centers. She was just pointing out some of the persuasion tactics they use.

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            "Which people?"

            Well, jfree for one. I suspect collectivistjeff and all the other devout leftists too.

        2. Bruce D   3 years ago

          Is it a baby? Is it breathing, crying and screaming like a baby?

        3. Moira   3 years ago

          "killing a baby"

          Equating abortion with infanticide is factually inaccurate, but then factual inaccuracy is the order du jour from the "pro-life" crowd. Ending a pregnancy and killing a baby are two very different things, sorry to inform you.

          Ultimately, in order to grant bodily autonomy to the fetus, autonomy must be taken away from the woman because, surprise, the fetus resides in her body, not the other way around. You want bodily autonomy removed from pregnant women - that's the reality most of you people are too chicken shit to own up to.

      2. KeninTX   3 years ago

        "Most crisis centers will happily admit that they use ultrasounds to convince the mother that abortion will kill a human."

        It's called an informed decision, can you really not see that? And what is the argument against helping women making an informed decision?

        1. Bruce D   3 years ago

          So long as they do not misrepresent themselves as providing all options including abortion.

    3. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      You don't understand damikesc, you can't make an "educated choice" if you're educated.

    4. DarrenM   3 years ago

      "why is deplorable for them to have the women see it?"

      We need to withhold information from women. It's for their own good. Most women can't think for themselves and might end up making the wrong choice. If they have all the information, they may not want to get an abortion and we can't have that.

  4. Mickey Rat   3 years ago

    I presume NBC and its staff will be prosecuted for misrepresenting themselves by going undercover to talk to crisis pregnancy center staff. I mean, we have the precedent with Planned Parenthood and Project Veritas that such tactics are not legitimate journalism.

  5. tracerv   3 years ago

    Look at Warren's eyes... Crazy as a shit house rat.

    1. Ska   3 years ago

      Shades of Teddy Duchamp's dad.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        Except Warren stormed the hill at Little Bighorn instead of the beaches of Normandy.

    2. Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf   3 years ago

      I had a dental hygienist who looked EXACTLY like Lizzie. She was also one of those who don't know how to shut up, keep on asking questions, then pausing to wait for your answer.

    3. Kungpowderfinger   3 years ago

      White Squaw considers providing alternatives to abortion “misinformation” that the government needs to prohibit, of course at the end of a gun as it enforces all its laws.

      A truly evil bitch, the unmasked, ugly face of the American Left.

      1. Bruce D   3 years ago

        So long as they don't represent themselves as providing all pregnancy related services including abortion, it would be honest. Do they have an obligation to state that they do not provide abortion or related services, or should the client simply beware? They do have a right to propagandize, but not to commit fraud by deception. Which is it? I prefer to err on the side of one's right to propagandize even if I do favor keeping abortion legal at least in the 1st trimester.

  6. Think It Through   3 years ago

    Senator Dingbat.

  7. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Warren has, in the past, creatively suggested that abortion clinics be set up on federal lands.

    Indian reservations would be a good start. And good for optics.

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      I think Indian Reservations should be free to set up whatever abortion clinics they want. They should also be free to create tax-free economic zones, and a whole lot of other things. If Indian Reservations played their cards right and demanded their full sovereignty, they could be beacons of liberty. Right now, of course, they are socialist hellholes where US government statists get to put into practice their worst central planning and social engineering impulses.

      1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Hence the prosperity.

    2. ThomasD   3 years ago

      If the optics you want is the locals burning down an abortion clinic then by all means go for it.

      Abortion is a huge taboo on the Rez. And not just among the religious crowd.

      1. ThomasD   3 years ago

        Not saying Indians don't get abortions, just that they travel far, far away, and nobody talks much about it.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          Tribal elders usually view it as attempts at genocide by whitey.

          Of course if it's whites only getting the abortions then they might be okay with it.

          1. ThomasD   3 years ago

            Skin color is much less important than your tribal enrollment status.

        2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          With the prevalence of incest on the reservations, it would be surprising if they didn't abort the proof of their crime.

      2. JFree   3 years ago

        That's because abortion has been directly linked to cultural genocide by whitey against those tribes. Furthered by IHS which doesn't do abortion.

        If medical care was actually something in their control rather than something done TO them, then attitudes would change a lot.

        1. NOYB2   3 years ago

          Terms like “cultural genocide” really expose the deep-seated racism of people like you.

          1. JFree   3 years ago

            Look up the definition of genocide.

            Or maybe you deny genocide even exists because collectives shouldn't exist

            1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

              Black pastors, ministers and community leaders have historically decried the targeting of their people by abortionists calling it thusly black genocide.

              By black author Jason Riley in WSJ:

              Let’s Talk About the Black Abortion Rate
              In New York City, thousands more black babies are aborted each year than born alive.

              By Jason L. Riley
              July 10, 2018

              When the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade in 1973, polling showed that blacks were less likely than whites to support abortion. Sixties-era civil rights activists like Fannie Lou Hamer and Whitney Young had denounced the procedure as a form of genocide. Jesse Jackson called abortion “murder” and once told a black newspaper in Chicago that “we used to look for death from the man in the blue coat and now it comes in a white coat.”
              https://www.wsj.com/articles/lets-talk-about-the-black-abortion-rate-1531263697

              But carry on with your sealioning

              1. JFree   3 years ago

                Well just wait until whitey starts yapping about post-racial adoptions.

                1. mpercy   3 years ago

                  A true progressive would be happy to explain how those people only adopt those kids to further their own white supremacist nature. Like Amy Comey Barret.

                  1. JFree   3 years ago

                    I'll call your Amy Coney Barret and raise you a Madonna and an Angelina Jolie.

            2. NOYB2   3 years ago

              I have no problem understanding the term “genocide”; my parents lived through it. I’ve seen the gas chambers myself.

              That’s why I’m calling you out for qualifying it with the adjective “cultural” and using it for your political propaganda.

              1. JFree   3 years ago

                You're just a dog on the internet who tends to lie about everything. Including, probably, your attempts to steal someone else's victimhood.

                If you are interested in actually learning about exactly what my use of the term includes - here cultural genocide. Which golly includes historic examples of exactly what was done in the US re native Americans via means like adoption for the purposes of assimilation.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

                  Now he decries genetic diversity, one of the few brands of diversity that is actually good for society.

                2. NOYB2   3 years ago

                  Forced adoptions are wrong because they are involuntary.

                  Voluntary choices by Native Americans or other groups that result in assimiliation aren’t “cultural genocide”. To the contrary, interfering with such choices is what keeps minorities in poverty and misery.

                  1. JFree   3 years ago

                    Forcing a woman who can't afford to parent a child to carry to term = forcing an adoption.

    3. mad.casual   3 years ago

      And good for optics.

      You mean the optics of Warren pawning the act of abortion off on savages, the optics of savages killing babies, or the optics of savages killing black babies?

    4. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      Optics as good as a San Antonio breakfast taco.

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Indians. Are. Not. Tacos. Either.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          They are more fry bread.

    5. KeninTX   3 years ago

      Obviously, the federal government can't simply build anything on the Indian reservation - they still have a modicum of sovereignty.

  8. Ronbback   3 years ago

    "impl[ying] that abortions can cause cancer and infertility."
    Implying hell its a fact just like cigarettes cause cancer

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Exactly, abortions can cause cancer and infertility. That's not even a controversial assertion.

      The body gears up for a pregnancy. A sudden ending isn't what naturally happens, even in miscarriages.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

        A sudden ending isn't what naturally happens, even in miscarriages.

        Disagree there. An ordinary miscarraige is far more natural than an abortion. They happen either because the woman's body has some sort of physical or genetic state that just won't allow for pregnancies to take place, or something goes wrong in the development of the fetus due to various causes, such as genetic defects in the sperm or egg. You see cases where the ultrasounds show the infant has a heartbeat and appears to be developing perfectly normal, and then in the next week the heartbeat stops and the mother miscarries, for no apparent reason other than it just happens.

        Doesn't make it unnatural, it just means something went wrong during the pregnancy that caused the miscarriage to happen.

        1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

          "An ordinary miscarraige is far more natural than an abortion."

          Agreed, but that wasn't what I was saying.
          Maybe I wasn't clear, but what I was getting at is in the event of fetal death the body starts processes to naturally expel the dead child, the miscarriage. Hormone levels change and processes shut down. This doesn't occur in an abortion where you go from 100 to zero instantly.

      2. Granite   3 years ago

        So… cancer? Tf are you smoking dude. Source your claims.

        1. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

          There have been 22 published studies of a link between breast cancer and abortion.

          I didn’t want to your work for you so I took only 20sec to find this.

          Journal of the National Cancer Institute, suggests that a 22-year-old woman's lifetime risk of developing breast cancer rises from at least 10 percent -- the average for women in general -- to 15 percent if she has an abortion. If she has a baby, by contrast, her long-term breast-cancer risk drops to 7 percent.

  9. Truthteller1   3 years ago

    This bitch is mentally ill.

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      Warren is more mentally ill than Hitler or Goebbels.

      1. NOYB2   3 years ago

        *no more (and no less)

      2. Ted   3 years ago

        She makes me think of John Candy in the third act of ‘Volunteers’, when the Red Chinese brainwashing worked a little too well on him and he became such a Marxist zealot that he even got on the nerves of his captors.

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      Her and Bernie are the only 2 nationally elected officials that have argued for more economic nationalism, and more socialism... I wish there was a shorter word that encompassed both of those

      1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

        I see what you did there.

      2. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

        Huh? Every union leader, ever, has espoused protectionism and shared ownership.

  10. NOYB2   3 years ago

    “In America right now, those Democrats that are there to fool people who are looking for equity, fairness, and a better life outnumber politicians promoting true fair and prosperous government two to one.”

    I suggest shutting down the Democrats.

    1. Granite   3 years ago

      And not republicans? Abort them all.

  11. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>abortion clinics be set up on federal lands.

    schedule your D&C in view of Old Faithful

    1. You're Kidding   3 years ago

      Hungry bears and all?

  12. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    What shocking news!
    A fascist wants to do fascist things.
    Whodathunkit?

  13. Bubba Jones   3 years ago

    98% of pregnant women who visit planned parenthood receive an abortion.

    It’s almost as if PP has an agenda.

    It’s kinda true that having an abortion raises cancer risk. But that’s not because of the abortion it’s because having a baby reduces cancer risk.

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Yeah. Best I can tell, a lot of the discussion around PP tends to presume they're neutral actors, purely disinterested experts giving information and medical procedures. They do in fact have a stance on things though, and it is one that does differ from many other people. One can think they're right, one can think they're wrong, but it's not neutral.
      Plus, they do have real financial incentives to give abortions, and so there is additional motivation there. There's not such thing is morally neutral experts, people have motives and it's important to realize that.

    2. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

      Wouldn't a pregnant woman who wants to keep her baby go to a family doctor instead of the Eugenics center?

      -jcr

      1. CLM1227   3 years ago

        Especially in low income neighborhoods and among college students, PP is the place you go for women things. For many young women who have yet to establish themselves under a physician’s care, PP is where you go for that kind of care.

        I had a friend who was pregnant at 15 and her mom took her there because that’s just what they do. Women care. So people going there are not necessarily wanting an abortion, they just aren’t aware of any alternatives or they think PP is woman’s health care. My friend was pressured into aborting by the nurse or whatever. She didn’t abort, but she said if she hadn’t already made up her mind before going, she would have. The pressure to do so is very strong and they want you making the choice immediately - like any sleazy sales rep.

        1. Bruce D   3 years ago

          It seems to me that it is common knowledge that what Planned Parenthood offers is birth control and abortion, not adoption services or pregnancy care.

    3. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

      I’m not going to take the time to research all 22 studies. I’ll just list one quote.

      Journal of the National Cancer Institute, suggests that a 22-year-old woman's lifetime risk of developing breast cancer rises from at least 10 percent -- the average for women in general -- to 15 percent if she has an abortion. If she has a baby, by contrast, her long-term breast-cancer risk drops to 7 percent.

  14. Spiritus Mundi   3 years ago

    Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination

    Add women to list of people Democrats believe have no agency.

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      According to Elizabeth Warren, women are stupid and have no agency.

      Don’t you dare contradict her LIVED EXPERIENCE.

      1. markm23   3 years ago

        It's called projection. Warren is very stupid and unable to form a thought without input from the leftist hive mind, and thinks all women are like her. (Except for conservative women, who are obviously monsters from a different hive mind.)

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yeah, how are they fooling them? Do they lie and say that they provide abortions? Otherwise, I don't see who is being fooled. If someone just wants an abortion, they can ask if this place does abortions and go somewhere else when they say no.

      1. Social Justice is neither   3 years ago

        Idiots like Warren probably think a pregnancy center advertising reproductive healthcare support is deceiving people because that's what they call abortion on demand up to days after birth.

        1. Bruce D   3 years ago

          abortion on demand up to days after birth.Days after birth? Where's that?

    3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      AHEM Birthing People, you science denying Christofascist.
      Those ditzy Birthing People are too irresponsible to be trusted to not get fooled into birthing. They probably should vote or gave credit cards without their Ejaculaing Person’s permission.

      1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

        AHEM, I believe it's "people with a capacity for pregnancy."

    4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

      First they get screwed (haha) over by the lying lotharios and girl bulliers, and then they have to deal with this shit?

      Everything is so terrible and unfair! For womyn. I mean, “birthing persons”.

  15. Genco   3 years ago

    What the fuck is this dumb cunt's problem?

    1. Longtobefree   3 years ago

      Individual freedoms.

    2. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      She hates kids?

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

        And blacks, she does represent massachusas

        1. Eeyore   3 years ago

          And Mexicans.

          1. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

            Odd considering she's a WOC.

            1. mpercy   3 years ago

              Yes, but a very light shade, like 1 part in 1024.

    3. NOYB2   3 years ago

      A below average IQ with an above average sense of entitlement?

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        I'll give her average on IQ. But that's not saying a lot. Definite mid-wit (I really like that term). Smart enough to think highly of her own intelligence, but not smart enough to have many original ideas or think too deeply about things.

    4. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      Uh, remember She’s a Law Professor. She probably knows a lot more about this than you wingnuts

      1. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

        A law professor who lied to get the job.

      2. Quo Usque Tandem   3 years ago

        As a graduate of a tier 1 law school and a law professor, SHE should know better.

        Warren knows the Constitution, she just doesn’t care.

      3. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

        There are people who go through law school, even teach at law school, who literally think The Constitution means whatever they say it means. Unless, of course, somebody else thinks The Constitution means something different. Then the opposite is wrong. That’s Pocahontas Lizzy. The Constitution means whatever you think it means unless you disagree with her.

        Living Constitutionalist at their highest hypocrisy.

    5. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      She uses indigenous logic.

  16. John F. Carr   3 years ago

    Under a Pence administration, would it be disinformation to fail to describe abortion as homicide?

    1. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

      Homicide is the death of a human being as a result of the actions of another human.

      I’ll use the scientific definition of a human being and say yes. It is a homicide. You can’t argue any different unless you want to argue science or the definition of words.

      PS: Homicide is not legally murder.

  17. Eeyore   3 years ago

    Her real goal is to make if more difficult for poor women to have children. That should only be reserved for the elite.

    1. Granite   3 years ago

      If by “elite” you mean “educated” I’m down with your idea.

  18. Jerryskids   3 years ago

    What does the Constitution have to do with Liz Warren? Her people owned these lands before white men ever set foot on this continent, she has no loyalty to the Constitution. Neither does Bernie Sanders for that matter, the lizard people have been here from time immemorial.

    1. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

      I know it’s sarcasm, but she did take an oath to uphold The Constitution.

  19. Naime Bond   3 years ago

    This will surely impress the white privileged nut bags that support her; won't go over too well with the Tacos and Latinx. Maybe we should consider amending the 25th to include members of Congress?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   3 years ago

      Honestly, putting an age cap on federal office at this point really isn't a bad idea.

      1. Jazzizhep   3 years ago

        It’s not age and I hate the limitations. There are 80 year olds I would vote for before a a 32 year old.

        It ALWAYS depends on the candidate. Trump is about the most childish person I know at his age. He literally acts like a five year old. He seems, however, to be in full control if his faculties. Even if his faculties resemble a middle school “mean girl”.

        My WWII grandfather is still alive. He will turn 98 this year in November. He is the most honest and genteel man I have ever known or met. Up until about age ninety he was completely self-sufficient.

  20. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

    No, crisis pregnancy centers should not be shut down. That is outrageous and authoritarian as fuck.

    HOWEVER, there are reasons to be upset with some crisis pregnancy centers. Many of them are vague in their advertising, implying that they offer abortions. So they are trying to trick women who would otherwise want an abortion. Many of the centers have a facade of a medical clinic, to maintain the image that they perform medical procedures like abortions, but the most they typically do are pregnancy tests and ultrasounds and maybe STD testing. VICE News did an investigative story on them a little while ago, it is still on Youtube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ex4Q-z-is&ab_channel=VICENews

    It is worth checking out, at least so you know why some people are upset with them beyond simply because they are opposed to abortion.

    1. Dillinger   3 years ago

      >>implying that they offer abortions

      the mal-inferrer is welcome to leave at all times

      1. Ajsloss   3 years ago

        You're free to leave whenever you want, but would you mind telling us why?

    2. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      The pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, and STD testing are the types of medical procedures that Planned Parenthood frequently references so as to define themselves as not just abortion mills.
      As for implying they offer abortions, then get them on false advertising charges. I've seen people complain about lines such as "Thinking about an abortion? Come talk to us." and things like that as examples, which I don't believe would cross any threshold of false advertising. If there are real ones out there, then the tools exist to stop that already.

      Much of this conversation presumes that abortion is somewhere on the line between morally neutral to good though, and a lot of the negative commentary on crisis pregnancy centers is based around that assumption.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        Well, BUCS, here is the website of one of the crisis pregnancy centers cited in a story I read on the issue:

        https://whiterosewomenscenter.org/

        So you can decide for yourself what you think of their advertising practices.

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          Having read through it, I think it's fine.

        2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

          Yeah, really doesn't look bad to me, either. Especially not bad enough that a sitting US Senator needs to threaten the force of the federal government to stop it.

        3. JesseAz   3 years ago

          Your daily reminder that Jeff rarely reads the links he posts, just like earlier with the lawsuit for discovery in the morning thread. He was told what to think about the link, and publishes it elsewhere without thought.

        4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

          jeffy: presenting yourself as a medical professional to convince adult women not to abort a child borders on criminal behavior, but presenting yourself as an academic to convince elementary school kids that boys who think they are girls are perfectly normal is just giving kids all the information so they can make decisions for themselves.

          The amazing part is that the sheer mass of all that cognitive dissonance doesn't collapse into a black hole.

        5. Bruce D   3 years ago

          Thanks for the link. They call themselves an "Abortion Counseling Clinic". They claim to offer "Information on Abortion", and
          ​"Information on Abortion procedures" and "Clinic referrals".
          To the naive woman seeking or considering abortion, it would appear they offer or facilitate abortion as an option, when in fact, they do not, and will do everything in their power to discourage it.

          The question is is it fraud that can be rightfully prosecuted. Probably not, even if it is misleading. For it to be fraud, some kind of material or tangible good or service or money would have to change hands due to false or misleading pretenses or deception. Basically, they're propagandizing which they have a right to do.

          The way for the abortion rights people to deal with it is to run ads alerting pregnant women about fake abortion clinics and specific pregnancy counselling centers that do not offer abortion and will try to talk women out of abortion. Use freedom of speech in response to freedom of speech.

          I much prefer to err in the side of freedom of advocacy, even if the advocates are misleading or deceptive.

      2. Nardz   3 years ago

        The name "Planned Parenthood" is more of a lie than any crisis pregnancy center has committed

        1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

          Planned Parenthood is on the same level as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

        2. Granite   3 years ago

          They claim that they prevent unplanned pregnancies and thus abortions by handing out contraceptives. I don’t see a problem here, they encourage people to actually have a plan before making kids instead of just boning until you get pregnant by surprise.

          1. Nardz   3 years ago

            LOL

            They encourage pregnant women to have abortions. Full stop. They plan avoidance of parenthood.

            1. Bruce D   3 years ago

              But, they do not mislead anyone that abortion is what they offer.

    3. JesseAz   3 years ago

      Lol. Youre such a leftist clown.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        I know, right? It is so leftist to try to understand the arguments of all sides. Real libertarians just assume everyone else is evil and base their arguments thusly.

        1. JesseAz   3 years ago

          You never try to understand any argument. You just blindly push whatever narrative you've been told to push. You've never once budged on CRT, post modernism, etc. When given counter information in one thread you will pretend the information was never given to you in the next thread.

          You don't ever understand the arguments intentionally. See the terrible gotchas of the last few days you've posted.

          You are directly an example of Haidt's analysis of how liberals do not understand the arguments of their opponents, which is not true of conservatives in general.

          https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/

          Link used as it has the passage from his book.

    4. Cronut   3 years ago

      I can see Jeff's point. Birthing people who are too irresponsible to use cheap, widely available birth control in order to avoid getting pregnant are also far too stupid to contact a pregnancy center and ask them if they do abortions.

      It's cruel to expect people to have to do literally anything at all to take responsibility for themselves or their own outcomes.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 years ago

        Birthing people who are too irresponsible to use cheap, widely available birth control in order to avoid getting pregnant are also far too stupid to contact a pregnancy center and ask them if they do abortions.

        You should watch the video. A woman was interviewed on the video who claimed she called this crisis pregnancy center, thinking that it provided abortions (because it came up in Google search results when she searched for getting an abortion), and when she called to ask about the price of an abortion, she was told that they don't discuss prices over the phone and that she should come in for a free pregnancy test and ultrasound.

        So she did exactly what you expected of her. Is she still an irresponsible slut?

        1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

          I don't understand your point. Is it that they convinced her to have the baby and so she didn't seek an abortion? Is the assumption that the woman had no recourse afterwards and could no longer seek an abortion? How did that story end?

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   3 years ago

            Jeffy doesn't care how it ended. They presented her with information she wasn't seeking that could have potentially biased her decision. What do you think this is, a public school?

        2. NOYB2   3 years ago

          She got a free pregnancy test and ultrasound, didn’t she? How were her rights violated?

      2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

        I think the new proper term is "people with a capacity for pregnancy."

        1. Cronut   3 years ago

          So what's a birthing person? Is that different from a people with the capacity for being pregnant? Or is birthing person no longer used because it centers the experiences of people who don't kill their babies and erases the lived experiences of people who do kill their babies in courageous acts of self love?

          1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

            Sorry, I should have indicated my sarcasm. Just trying to make a funny reference to the idiotic testimony of good ole professor Bridges.

            1. Cronut   3 years ago

              I was trying to make a sarcastic remark about how woke terminology is extremely confusing.

              1. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

                So confusing. And just pure pseudo-intellectual garbage.

          2. JeremyR   3 years ago

            Both terms are problematic because it doesn't account for otherkin who believe they aren't people.

    5. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      So they are trying to trick women who would otherwise want an abortion.
      What do you mean by this?

    6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 years ago

      Lol. Yeah, Jeff, birthing persons are so easily fooled cuz they stupid, right?

    7. Ted   3 years ago

      So they’re ‘tricking’ women who you feel should have an abortion into not committing infanticide of their baby?

      1. Bruce D   3 years ago

        It's not a baby 'til it's out of the womb.

  21. n00bdragon   3 years ago

    What I just don't get is the political calculus behind this.

    Why?

    Anyone so pro abortion that they are mad about people trying to help pregnant women care for children is already so far down the Left Wing track there's no need to make an appeal to them. Fauxcahontas could drop a deuce in these peoples' (craft) beer glass and they'd still vote for her.

    So why?

    Why not just zip her mouth shut and let Republicans hoist themselves on their own Womb Police petard? Democrats have a golden opportunity to campaign for state legislatures across the country. Heck, if they appealed to the center they might even have a chance at holding onto congress. It's mystifying.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   3 years ago

      Is it a locally sourced non-GMO deuce?

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      She is a dem, the media will run cover for her regardless of how stupid she is

    3. Nardz   3 years ago

      Leftists are psychotic.
      They sincerely believe that most people are as obsessively pro abortion as they are.

      1. Bruce D   3 years ago

        "Most people" agree with Roe. They'd ban it in the 3rd trimester, permit it without question in the 1st, regulate it or ban it somewhere in the 2nd trimester.

  22. Minadin   3 years ago

    Has Elizabeth Warren ever been right about anything?

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      definitely not .

    2. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

      She does have kind of high cheekbones. I will give here that.

    3. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

      She even got her race wrong on a job application

      1. mpercy   3 years ago

        Clap...clap...clap...

  23. gordo53   3 years ago

    Warren is a US Senator. The rule of law does not apply to her.

  24. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    Elizabeth Warren Wants To Shut Down All of the Country's Crisis Pregnancy Centers. Doing so would be blatantly unconstitutional.

    There, that will cover everything she ever does.

  25. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

    Fauxcahontas can fuck right off, as always.

    -jcr

    1. Aloysious   3 years ago

      +1

  26. Crikey   3 years ago

    A person who famously falsely advertised herself as Native American should probably not be in the business of criticizing others' advertising integrity.

  27. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    An NBC News investigation, in which reporters went undercover, found that a crisis pregnancy center at the southern border "played a video saying that abortions cause mental illness," and had a staffer "impl[ying] that abortions can cause cancer and infertility."

    I don't know about the cancer claim but the other two claims are true.

  28. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    When a producer visited another crisis pregnancy center as part of the investigation, a counselor repeated infertility scaremongering before gifting her baby booties for her child.

    How is this supposedly "torture" or some kind of fraud? This is amazing. yes the pregnancy crisis center is against abortion and will argue against abortion if you go there. What's the big deal?

    Do we see planned parenthood providing a balanced discussion to their patients when they arrive?

    This is such trumped up bullshit. The real crime here is these centers are violating the narrative. That's it.

    And yes, abortion does cause a risk of future fertility issues. It's easy to look up so why would you claim otherwise in this article?

  29. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

    The only reason to be upset and angry that these centers sometimes convince women on the fence to forgo an abortion is if you see abortion as a religious sacrament as part of your fucking death cult.

    Warren is fucking sick in the head.

  30. Inquisitive Squirrel   3 years ago

    It's depressively astounding that we live in a society where people who publicly offer to adopt babies are ridiculed and institutions that provide massive amounts of support to soon-to-be mothers and mothers of newborns are made out to be bad people that powerful government officials want to stop.

  31. Brandybuck   3 years ago

    Just goes to show that for many people, "pro-choice" really means "pro-abortion". The goal isn't choice, the goal is abortion. What else explains their intense outrage that someone might be counseling someone that they have a choice?

    Also, to hell with Warren.

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      ^ this. absolutely correct. There is no explanation for being outrages that someone is counseling against abortion unless you are so rabidly obsessed with abortion you prefer it as the ideal outcome of a pregnancy.

  32. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/Queerty/status/1547636107008827392?t=FFDtkGAAVTzvYw9ys6vlhw&s=19

    Amy Coney Barrett is having a really crappy summer

    [Link]

    "Things also aren’t looking so hot for Barrett on Twitter right now. Here’s what folx are saying over there…"

    1. BestUsedCarSales   3 years ago

      Things also aren’t looking so hot for Barrett on Twitter right now.

      oh no

      1. Nardz   3 years ago

        Words from FOLX can hurt

  33. Nardz   3 years ago

    https://twitter.com/GathererSkull/status/1547214286535139330?t=95mwqy5tvHVHe7emf3PQjw&s=19

    Take a trip with me

    The year is 2000, life seems quite simple, the internet is still new. MTV is still mostly good, and people are generally normal
    With one exception
    There are wiggers everywhere

    This cultural oddity of white guys who choose to express themselves personally by pretending that they're black and or Hispanic gangbangers is pervasive

    Each one a stereotype unto himself, clothing is bright and audacious, language. Ridiculous

    They aren't a majority, but there's enough of them that you see at least one or two everyday

    Sometimes you have to interact with them, typically you just engage enough to remain cordial or professional

    No matter what they're confronted with. The visage of their act never breaks

    Face with danger, existential threats or violence they continue their charade, seemingly emboldened by the fact that for the most part people just go along with them

    Occasionally they use the N word, to mixed reaction, but surprisingly it's not as bad as you would think as often as you would think, they just kind of get away with it

    It's allowed as almost a kind of head nod both of their dedication and ridiculousness

    In 3 years the movie Malibu's Most Wanted will come out marking the zenith of the trend, from there it will decline and then fade into memory as those people realize that maybe that was a little silly and they grow up and move on

    Now imagine that this cultural oddity of a peculiar era wasn't allowed to exist as its own facet in society

    Imagine we treated them as a protected glass, being told officially, federally, that we must respect their identity

    Imagine doctors are told that they're allowed to select African American on forms, and you must tell them that no, they don't have sickle cell

    Imagine the MVA is told that they are allowed to tick the box for African American, despite having blue eyes, blonde hair and light skin

    Imagine that we were told that despite the fact that all their behavior is caricaturized stereotypes that are at the end of the day are nothing short of egregiously offensive

    That we can never say anything about it, because that's who they say they are

    [Thread keeps going]

    1. Minadin   3 years ago

      Was Lizzie wearing her full headdress and wampum belt again?

  34. Angry Porcupine   3 years ago

    I stopped at "Pregnant person". Although I've had dump's I compared to childbirth.

  35. Nardz   3 years ago

    WTF

    https://twitter.com/BonillaJL/status/1547643268040560640?t=HL_cLAgJWWUOk0dd2HVOaA&s=19

    WATCH: The mother of the Ohio 10/y rape victim tells Telemundo's @MariaVargasPion that the child "is fine", and "everything they say about (Gerson Flores) is a lie."

    [Video]

    1. I, Woodchipper   3 years ago

      Jesus christ.

      Something really weird going on here.

    2. Cronut   3 years ago

      This whole story is just completely fucked up.

      Confirming the rape did nothing but generate more questions.

    3. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

      I predict that the mother is in a relationship with Flores and doesn't want to ruin it.

  36. Marshal   3 years ago

    And last month, she [Warren] introduced the Stop Anti-Abortion Disinformation Act,

    Which is revealing since she owes her political career to a disinformation study claiming 50% of all personal bankruptcies in America were due to medical bills (the real number is 03-5%). Warren, like all leftists, doesn't oppose disinformation on principle, she merely objects to others using her team's tactics.

  37. Unicorn Abattoir   3 years ago

    Warren is evil. Everyone should know that at this point.

    As far as crisis centers outnumbering abortion clinics 3:1, I'm sure Planned Parenthood (talk about disinformation) has a list they can provide.

  38. smitsc05   3 years ago

    Is she advocating for less choice? OMG, why does she sound like she WANTS more abortions, isn't the point to have more choice not less? She is either really stupid and is entirely insight-free or she is evil. Stupid I hope.

  39. tkamenick   3 years ago

    Democrats - "If you're against abortion, you have to provide support to women and their children!"
    Also Democrats - "We need to shut down places providing support to women and their children!"

    1. GreenBeanMarine   3 years ago

      Democrats: "Men need to pay child support"
      Also Democrats: "Men have no reproductive rights or say on abortion"

      1. jack murphy   3 years ago

        also democrats ...do NOTHING to enforce accountability upon the several generations of backed out dad's. start forcing the dads to work, pay support, engage, take their money...word will get around and the fella will bag up their peckers at least on SOME level. right now they skate. MOST black children have no dad's. mom grifts the welfare system

  40. GreenBeanMarine   3 years ago

    Lol. As usual democrats are projecting their own flaws on to others. All arguments about abortion rights aside, calling an abortion clinic a "Reproductive Health" clinic is 100% deceptive. They should be calling pro-life clinics "Reproductive Health" clinics and calling abortion clinics "abortion clinics" if we are to be honest.

    1. cedricwilford   3 years ago

      Amen. Well said.

  41. reardensteel   3 years ago

    "Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans."

    Um, babies actually are tiny humans.

    1. jack murphy   3 years ago

      i often tell folks that if they will simply watch a video of a late term abortion with me and then maintain their pro-choice position then i'll shut up. still awaiting the first taker

  42. Brett Bellmore   3 years ago

    "Doing so would be blatantly unconstitutional."

    Starkly, irredeemably evil, too. Is it clear yet that she's not "pro-choice", she's anti-life?

    1. GreenBeanMarine   3 years ago

      Where is the like button? You hit the nail on the head. Everything the left is doing, from chemically castrating little boys to abortion and deliberate destruction of the food and energy supply is about population control. They hate humanity.

  43. Jones M. Murphy, Jr.   3 years ago

    Reason.com, frantically shilling for Vagina Patrol

  44. cedricwilford   3 years ago

    "Claims about abortion being linked to infertility and cancer are not true; medically speaking, abortion is actually quite safe (for the mother, that is)."

    As in... NOT SAFE FOR THE BABY... HA HA! Fuck you, Reason. Cutesy shit like this is why I unsubscribed from your magazine. Though I appreciate the (very) few balanced abortion-related articles, overall your abortion coverage is garbage. Even in an article like this, which has a clear protagonist and antagonist, you have to throw in shit like this. Fuck you.

    "Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans."

    That's because they are.

  45. ruffsoft   3 years ago

    The government can and has shut down both businesses and charities (such as the Trump charity) for fraud, for being a scam, for operating under misleading appearances. "Dec 18, 2018 — President Trump has agreed to shut down his embattled personal charity and to give away its remaining money." If the President can be forced to shut down his operation, so can anyone. And there was no challenge to this agreement as unconstitutional.

  46. David Tucson   3 years ago

    Are these customers really tricked into going into the CPC facilities? 1%, 10%, 50%? And those that do, are they tortured by the experience?

    I'm in favor of the government shutting down businesses that deceive customers, but is this the case here?

  47. Joe Bright   3 years ago

    It seems clear that what must be "shut down" is that government in Washington. It is unlawful and inasmuch devoid of lawful authority.

  48. mpercy   3 years ago

    Think how much better the world would be had Warren's mother made the pro-abortion choice?

    1. John C. Randolph   3 years ago

      Even the most ardent pro-life Christian would have to concede that point.

      -jcr

      1. Minadin   3 years ago

        I'm not particularly ardent about it. But when someone has a point, they have a point.

  49. JimCherry   3 years ago

    No doubt she want to do it 'for the children'.

  50. BarkingSpider   3 years ago

    It’s a shame Pocahantas wasn’t aborted. Can’t think of anything relevant she has done. She has however made herself worth 12 mil thru insider trading like many other Congress critters. Fuck em’ all!

  51. Scott M Sykes   3 years ago

    Someone needs to shut down this BABY KILLER NUT JOB AND THOSE WHO WALK AND TALK LIKE HER!

  52. jack murphy   3 years ago

    constitution schmonstitution...her crew are lefty kooks that let do the thinking. if you want to call it that. the lumps that heed her are the silliest of the 'tards

  53. Libertariantranslator   3 years ago

    Liz could at least be honest. The antichoice or Comstockist cause is to send men with guns out to again ban ALL birth control. The bottom line of "Life Begins at Erection" is that any female suspected of having had sex is under suspicion of harboring a fertilized ovum entitled by mystical fanatics to collectivized "race suicide," Lebensborn, or "future cannon-fodder" privileges which entirely overrule and cancel any individual rights the female participant in the sex act might have had minutes earlier. Oh, they also demand Long Dong, Palito and Bund Deutscher Mädel again ban non-heterosexual relations. Cf "Republicans banned ALL Birth Control"

  54. Liberty Lover   3 years ago

    It is very odd that people so concerned with "reproductive rights" want to stop all people supporting reproduction!

  55. Livemike   3 years ago

    "or some kind of highly-politicized body attempting to define 'disinformation' in biased ways."
    Yep that's what they want in all contexts.

  56. Joe Brandon   3 years ago

    ^

  57. Ted   3 years ago

    Kind of like how TJJ2000 lost his shit over abortion?

  58. Bruce D   3 years ago

    People who call suicide hotlines are looking to be talked out of it. People who call "crisis pregnancy centers" are not calling to be talked out of abortion.

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