Elizabeth Warren Wants To Shut Down All of the Country's Crisis Pregnancy Centers
Doing so would be blatantly unconstitutional.

"In Massachusetts right now, those crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people who are looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber true abortion clinics by three to one," Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) told NBC 10 Boston. "We need to shut them down here in Massachusetts and we need to shut them down all around the country."
"You should not be able to torture a pregnant person like that," she added, referring to the work done by the pro-life charities.
Warren: "Crisis pregnancy centers that are there to fool people looking for pregnancy termination help outnumber abortion clinics by 3-1. We need to shut them down all around the country."
pic.twitter.com/Sm6XjnGUX7— Greg Price (@greg_price11) July 12, 2022
It's unclear what legal authority Elizabeth Warren would use to enact her will. In fact, a sitting U.S. senator trying to shut down charitable organizations, like crisis pregnancy centers, for no violation of laws but rather due to the fact that they further the pro-life cause, would be quite blatantly unconstitutional.
Warren has, in the past, creatively suggested that abortion clinics be set up on federal lands. And last month, she introduced the Stop Anti-Abortion Disinformation Act, along with Reps. Carolyn B. Maloney (D–N.Y.) and Suzanne Bonamici (D–Ore.) and Sen. Bob Menendez (D–N.J.), which would empower the Federal Trade Commission to crack down on purportedly false claims made by crisis pregnancy centers. If passed, these pro-life centers could be fined $100,000 (or 50 percent of revenues earned by the parent entity) for violating the "prohibition on [abortion] disinformation." But the bill does not define, with any specificity, what qualifies as disinformation—that's to be expanded on at a later date, per the bill's text—and it's hard to see how this wouldn't entail either unconstitutional restrictions on activists' free speech or some kind of highly-politicized body attempting to define "disinformation" in biased ways.
Per Warren's comments and legislation, it's clear she has a problem with crisis pregnancy centers and their work, which she claims is tantamount to "torture." But she can't harness the power of the federal government to go after these organizations because she dislikes the cause they're promoting.
If a specific crisis pregnancy center is engaged in fraudulent activity—breaking actual laws—that's cause for investigation and possible shutdown. And she is correct to claim that some of them do provide misleading information. An NBC News investigation, in which reporters went undercover, found that a crisis pregnancy center at the southern border "played a video saying that abortions cause mental illness," and had a staffer "impl[ying] that abortions can cause cancer and infertility." When a producer visited another crisis pregnancy center as part of the investigation, a counselor repeated infertility scaremongering before gifting her baby booties for her child. Claims about abortion being linked to infertility and cancer are not true; medically speaking, abortion is actually quite safe (for the mother, that is).
Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans. Some crisis pregnancy centers use aggressive, deceptive marketing to capture women's abortion-related search results and lure them into the centers, which get disguised as clinics. (As Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote recently, some Democratic senators—Warren included—are trying to pressure Google CEO Sundar Pichai to restrict crisis pregnancy centers from search results and to attach disclaimers to the pregnancy centers that do pop up.)
Warren misses or obscures the fact that many of these centers provide clothing, diapers, formula, and counseling to women who are severely in need—all while ignoring that these centers have recently come under attack by arsonists and vandals all over the country who are trying to prevent these centers from performing the charitable work they set out to do. Of course, volunteers and workers at these centers are not agnostic about which choice women make; these charities are all founded to persuade women to choose not to abort their babies. They're attempts by pro-lifers to spend their time and resources in a way that's consistent with their convictions.
Pro-choicers frequently criticize pro-lifers for abandoning women once they've made the decision not to abort or for being insufficiently charitable toward mothers in need. But crisis pregnancy centers are attempts, however imperfect, at precisely that. Whatever you think of their tactics, calling for them to be shut down by the federal government would be a gross misuse of state power.
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Ken had it right the first time. Republicans are authoritarians. The left are totalitarians.
Did the Peanuts cancel Ken?
Haven't seen him post recently.
You seem to have dramatically scaled back your #DefendBidenAtAllCosts activities as well.
I explained to the Peanuts that, as the Oracle of Dogdick Georgia, you're making so much money in the #BidenBoom that spending it is your new full time job.
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As I explained several weeks ago this place has gotten boring with all the QAnon Trump cultists who cannot be reasoned with.
I miss Republicans like Liz Cheney who would blaspheme Jesus himself for a 1% tax cut BUT who still respect the rule of law and the Constitution. There are none of those here.
As for Biden - he is fumbling and bumbling along and will be remembered as a president of no consequence. Unlike the Con Man - who will continue to live in ignominy.
"I miss Republicans like Liz Cheney"
Indeed. I've often wondered how surreal it must be for you that your arch enemies of 15 - 20 years ago — David "Axis of Evil" Frum, Bill Kristol, Jeffrey "Iraq / Al Qaeda Connection" Goldberg, the Cheney family, Colin Powell (RIP) — have become your party's heroes.
#HatingDrumpfIsAllThatMatters
Why yes!
The QAnon Trump Cult makes the deranged NeoCon Bushpigs look sane in comparison!
Your insight is appreciated once again.
Totally.
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"invading Iraq over WMD was arguably a mistake"
You mean the whole "mistake" of lying about there being WMD's in Iraq in the first place? Over half a million lives lost in total on both sides over a LIE so the Neocons could line their pockets. Quite the oopsie. At least Bushy jr. has something to look forward to, joining his dear ol' dad in eternal damnation. War criminal scum.
"QAnon Trump Cult"
QAnon is a 4chan troll that the Democratic Party adopted to frighten wine moms and dissuade bien pensants of the notion that they're full of pedophiles.
Of course shrike would try to peddle it here.
Bringing up QAnon in an argument should have it's own label like Godwin's Law.
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So when are you changing your old, stupid, and outdated handle? Sarah Palin, for real? The fact that you slapped the number 2 after the name because your original Sarah Palin’s Buttplug account was banned for posting links to child pornography shows how stupid you fucking are.
The same mouth breather who told us George Bush was the worst president ever! So when Desantis wins in 2024 is your next handle going to be Trump’s CumDumpster? Your brain is lagging you disgusting kiddie diddler.
you people are truly sick in the head
Funny guy. Folks like you and the fake Indian Warren are destroying the Democrat Party. Thank you for what you do!
You’ve likely been busy raising the needed funds to post bond. As it is likely the police finally caught up to your child rape activities.
Repubelicants like Changeling. You make a mockery of insipid insanity, which would be an improvement for you. The chameleon playing her pseudo search for justice scam with billions of our taxpayers dollars lining her pockets, just because her hiney got twisted up with hurt.
Biden’s unjustified support of Ukraine war doing his best to protect the immense corruption of himself and Hunter of whores. The most corrupt and demented Pres in history, lining his crusty pockets at taxpayer expense infinitely, and destroying my country. Leave with your traitor heroes please!!
Well, many pretend to give medical advice that they are not qualified to give. If or when they commit fraud which many do..they should be shut down.
The election broke him. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in an institution.
Ken actually made useful comments. And he wasn’t drunk all the time.
Ken repeated Republican talking points practically verbatim. Not what I would call useful. And your drinking isn't my problem.
I barely drink, and I’m not the one with the alcohol problem. You are, by your own description. Your assessment of Ken’s comments is bullshit. The fact is that you hated him for calling you out on the democrat nonsense you spout much of the time.
An election broke a lot of people here, but it wasn’t 2020.
No SPB, you ought to have been canceled, but you just recycle your user names.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. Rather than follow the will of Reason’s staff, you resurrected that identity and continue to post here. A decent person would realize how abhorrent this behavior is, burn the SPB identity and return under some new handle. While that wouldn’t change your despicable appetites, it would at least respect a community’s wishes to not mix with pedophiles. But since you have no shame, the only thing I and others can do is point out your past behavior rather than converse with you.
And you represent the QAnon Trump Cult very nicely.
You know, you should not worship any politician, much less a hack like Trump. I know the cult of personality has drawn you in. Cults are like that and political cults attract the worst elements in society.
You're sick. Get help.
You need de-programming.
Your argument is literally
"I post child porn, but you said something good about trump so that makes you worse"
It's all he's got. Squealing about QAnon and pretending he's not a child molester.
A QAnon influencer who accused Democrats of being pedophiles turned out to be a convicted child molester
But you guys always end up being the true pedophiles.
https://www.insider.com/qanon-influencer-said-dems-were-pedophiles-is-real-child-molester-2021-10
You Denny Hastert Republicans infect most of the party.
You Trump Cultists are sick. Get Help.
The desperation in your posts is palpable.
I couldn't be a Denny Hastert Republican even if I wanted to, shrike. And I think that you know why.
Shrike is just jealous of all the action Hastert was getting. He certainly never has a problem with child molesters.
You’re confused. We’re talking about YOUR pedophilia. Which you showcased here of your own will. So quit trying to deflect. You are a child molester
Let’s talk about that.
Imagine being so fucking stupid that you accuse Overt of being a trump supporter.
Congratulations shrike, you’ve proven yet again why you earned the crown for dumbest motherfucker to post here.
Republicans are republicans. They dont play word games and pervert language like democrats, who are not pro democracy. Republicans however are pro constitutional republic, like their name suggests.
If the govt. is "...scary crazy authoritarians..." how much more scary, crazy must the voters be? Why would anyone with common sense support the coercive paradigm that exists in every country worldwide? Has humanity lost its sanity?
YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE! just as long as you choose abortion
Dude, the whole point of choice is for the state to choose for you.
They don’t resemble small humans. They are genetically humans.
there is no defenition of "Genetically Human"
What?
If some thing is genetically human, and another thing is genetically a sloth, there doesn’t need to be a dictionary definition. The distinction, and therefore definition, is implied. The trick is having the intellect to grasp the implication.
Yeah, replied to wrong person. I just hope with all the lawyers around they don’t convince you it was libelous.
And don't try to refuse getting jabbed with an emergency use-only "vaccine" that was cooked up in labs after a few weeks of the virus taking hold.
Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans."
Given that they ALREADY have to do ultrasounds (unless you support doctors rooting around women's bodies blindly), why is deplorable for them to have the women see it?
Is libertarianism now a movement that opposes providing information to allow people to make decisions?
You cannot have women being confronted with the idea that what they are pregnant with is not a mere cluster of cells.
So do these centers help instruct the pregnant women how their fetus will use the diapers and formula? Since it is really a baby person after all?
Apparently so!!!
Yes actually they do provide material support after the child is born
Yes. Most provide free genecology exams, birthing, adoption services, peripartum and postpartum care, nurse visits, as well as supplies like diapers and formula for up to two years.
The only thing that they don't do is abortion.
Millions of women without insurance use them.
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1547239313171259394
"They are not fake centers. In 2019, they served 1.85 million families, provided $266 million worth of goods - of car seats, of baby formula, of diapers, of things that women really need."
Damn, jfree, this really didn't go how you thought it would... like most of your life.
That's what happens when you live in a blue bubble. You're not even aware of fundamental charitable services used by millions of people.
Or thoughtful enough to do a quick Google search before attempting an "own."
It went exactly as I thought.
The people running those places are a combo of well-intentioned and devious.
The commenters here don't give a shit about the women, are all too happy to steal other's charitable impulses as their own, and are clueless enough to fall into the usual Qu'ils mangent de la brioche.
Did this make sense to you in some way?
I mean, you initially stated your clear ignorance. These centers are open with what they do. People pointed it out to you how yes they provide care post pregnancy. And then you devolved to this.
LOL.
Haha. So you confuse snark/sarcasm with ignorance.
Ah, the "I was only pretending to be retarded" gambit.
Classic. Joke's on us.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-was-only-pretending-to-be-retarded
He's stealing one of sarcasmic's plays.
What part of - How does one put a diaper on a fetus (and for what purpose)? - do you think is a serious question?
Did you miss the part where we admitted defeat to your superior intellect, wit, and reasoning?
Or, were you only pretending to be winning?
Got us again, dammit. You're too good.
Something Biden has in common. diapers.
"The people running those places are a combo of well-intentioned and devious."
Sneaky bastards...giving women health care and support in both child rearing or putting a child up for adoption. Will their evil never cease?
"The commenters here don't give a shit about the women, are all too happy to steal other's charitable impulses as their own, and are clueless enough to fall into the usual Qu'ils mangent de la brioche."
Mother Theresa used to take of beggars. Fucking bitch, doing the work of "the man" and all.
I believe Mother Theresa is the Godwin of 'libertarian charity' discussion.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Have you not paid attention to it's commenting?
Actually, he said fetus not baby. I have no problem with "crisis" pregnancy centers so ling as they do not mislead women seeking abortion that they may provide or facilitate abortion. If they state that they do not provide or facilitate abortion or abortion related services, then they're being honest.
so "long", not so "ling"
Crikey, you must come from the same school of biology as Jumanji Brown, Biden’s brilliant quota SCJ. Hacks you all.
It's not sentient until the age of viability. Something the pro-life crowd would know if they actually gave two fucks about the fetus they claim to care so much about.
There is nothing wrong with it, and I don't see how Ms Wolfe was passing judgement on it. She made a factual statement. Most crisis centers will happily admit that they use ultrasounds to convince the mother that abortion will kill a human.
imagine pretending that trying to talk someone into not killing their baby is on equal moral grounds to actually killing your baby no questions asked.
what in the fuck is wrong with these people
Which people? My point is that Liz Wolfe, a pro-life libertarian if I recall the 1000000 Roe v Wade articles that were written over the last few months, wasn't criticizing the crisis centers. She was just pointing out some of the persuasion tactics they use.
"Which people?"
Well, jfree for one. I suspect collectivistjeff and all the other devout leftists too.
Is it a baby? Is it breathing, crying and screaming like a baby?
"killing a baby"
Equating abortion with infanticide is factually inaccurate, but then factual inaccuracy is the order du jour from the "pro-life" crowd. Ending a pregnancy and killing a baby are two very different things, sorry to inform you.
Ultimately, in order to grant bodily autonomy to the fetus, autonomy must be taken away from the woman because, surprise, the fetus resides in her body, not the other way around. You want bodily autonomy removed from pregnant women - that's the reality most of you people are too chicken shit to own up to.
"Most crisis centers will happily admit that they use ultrasounds to convince the mother that abortion will kill a human."
It's called an informed decision, can you really not see that? And what is the argument against helping women making an informed decision?
So long as they do not misrepresent themselves as providing all options including abortion.
You don't understand damikesc, you can't make an "educated choice" if you're educated.
"why is deplorable for them to have the women see it?"
We need to withhold information from women. It's for their own good. Most women can't think for themselves and might end up making the wrong choice. If they have all the information, they may not want to get an abortion and we can't have that.
I presume NBC and its staff will be prosecuted for misrepresenting themselves by going undercover to talk to crisis pregnancy center staff. I mean, we have the precedent with Planned Parenthood and Project Veritas that such tactics are not legitimate journalism.
Look at Warren's eyes... Crazy as a shit house rat.
Shades of Teddy Duchamp's dad.
Except Warren stormed the hill at Little Bighorn instead of the beaches of Normandy.
I had a dental hygienist who looked EXACTLY like Lizzie. She was also one of those who don't know how to shut up, keep on asking questions, then pausing to wait for your answer.
White Squaw considers providing alternatives to abortion “misinformation” that the government needs to prohibit, of course at the end of a gun as it enforces all its laws.
A truly evil bitch, the unmasked, ugly face of the American Left.
So long as they don't represent themselves as providing all pregnancy related services including abortion, it would be honest. Do they have an obligation to state that they do not provide abortion or related services, or should the client simply beware? They do have a right to propagandize, but not to commit fraud by deception. Which is it? I prefer to err on the side of one's right to propagandize even if I do favor keeping abortion legal at least in the 1st trimester.
Senator Dingbat.
Warren has, in the past, creatively suggested that abortion clinics be set up on federal lands.
Indian reservations would be a good start. And good for optics.
I think Indian Reservations should be free to set up whatever abortion clinics they want. They should also be free to create tax-free economic zones, and a whole lot of other things. If Indian Reservations played their cards right and demanded their full sovereignty, they could be beacons of liberty. Right now, of course, they are socialist hellholes where US government statists get to put into practice their worst central planning and social engineering impulses.
Hence the prosperity.
If the optics you want is the locals burning down an abortion clinic then by all means go for it.
Abortion is a huge taboo on the Rez. And not just among the religious crowd.
Not saying Indians don't get abortions, just that they travel far, far away, and nobody talks much about it.
Tribal elders usually view it as attempts at genocide by whitey.
Of course if it's whites only getting the abortions then they might be okay with it.
Skin color is much less important than your tribal enrollment status.
With the prevalence of incest on the reservations, it would be surprising if they didn't abort the proof of their crime.
That's because abortion has been directly linked to cultural genocide by whitey against those tribes. Furthered by IHS which doesn't do abortion.
If medical care was actually something in their control rather than something done TO them, then attitudes would change a lot.
Terms like “cultural genocide” really expose the deep-seated racism of people like you.
Look up the definition of genocide.
Or maybe you deny genocide even exists because collectives shouldn't exist
Black pastors, ministers and community leaders have historically decried the targeting of their people by abortionists calling it thusly black genocide.
By black author Jason Riley in WSJ:
Let’s Talk About the Black Abortion Rate
In New York City, thousands more black babies are aborted each year than born alive.
By Jason L. Riley
July 10, 2018
When the Supreme Court decided Roe v. Wade in 1973, polling showed that blacks were less likely than whites to support abortion. Sixties-era civil rights activists like Fannie Lou Hamer and Whitney Young had denounced the procedure as a form of genocide. Jesse Jackson called abortion “murder” and once told a black newspaper in Chicago that “we used to look for death from the man in the blue coat and now it comes in a white coat.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/lets-talk-about-the-black-abortion-rate-1531263697
But carry on with your sealioning
Well just wait until whitey starts yapping about post-racial adoptions.
A true progressive would be happy to explain how those people only adopt those kids to further their own white supremacist nature. Like Amy Comey Barret.
I'll call your Amy Coney Barret and raise you a Madonna and an Angelina Jolie.
I have no problem understanding the term “genocide”; my parents lived through it. I’ve seen the gas chambers myself.
That’s why I’m calling you out for qualifying it with the adjective “cultural” and using it for your political propaganda.
You're just a dog on the internet who tends to lie about everything. Including, probably, your attempts to steal someone else's victimhood.
If you are interested in actually learning about exactly what my use of the term includes - here cultural genocide. Which golly includes historic examples of exactly what was done in the US re native Americans via means like adoption for the purposes of assimilation.
Now he decries genetic diversity, one of the few brands of diversity that is actually good for society.
Forced adoptions are wrong because they are involuntary.
Voluntary choices by Native Americans or other groups that result in assimiliation aren’t “cultural genocide”. To the contrary, interfering with such choices is what keeps minorities in poverty and misery.
Forcing a woman who can't afford to parent a child to carry to term = forcing an adoption.
And good for optics.
You mean the optics of Warren pawning the act of abortion off on savages, the optics of savages killing babies, or the optics of savages killing black babies?
Optics as good as a San Antonio breakfast taco.
Indians. Are. Not. Tacos. Either.
They are more fry bread.
Obviously, the federal government can't simply build anything on the Indian reservation - they still have a modicum of sovereignty.
"impl[ying] that abortions can cause cancer and infertility."
Implying hell its a fact just like cigarettes cause cancer
Exactly, abortions can cause cancer and infertility. That's not even a controversial assertion.
The body gears up for a pregnancy. A sudden ending isn't what naturally happens, even in miscarriages.
A sudden ending isn't what naturally happens, even in miscarriages.
Disagree there. An ordinary miscarraige is far more natural than an abortion. They happen either because the woman's body has some sort of physical or genetic state that just won't allow for pregnancies to take place, or something goes wrong in the development of the fetus due to various causes, such as genetic defects in the sperm or egg. You see cases where the ultrasounds show the infant has a heartbeat and appears to be developing perfectly normal, and then in the next week the heartbeat stops and the mother miscarries, for no apparent reason other than it just happens.
Doesn't make it unnatural, it just means something went wrong during the pregnancy that caused the miscarriage to happen.
"An ordinary miscarraige is far more natural than an abortion."
Agreed, but that wasn't what I was saying.
Maybe I wasn't clear, but what I was getting at is in the event of fetal death the body starts processes to naturally expel the dead child, the miscarriage. Hormone levels change and processes shut down. This doesn't occur in an abortion where you go from 100 to zero instantly.
So… cancer? Tf are you smoking dude. Source your claims.
There have been 22 published studies of a link between breast cancer and abortion.
I didn’t want to your work for you so I took only 20sec to find this.
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, suggests that a 22-year-old woman's lifetime risk of developing breast cancer rises from at least 10 percent -- the average for women in general -- to 15 percent if she has an abortion. If she has a baby, by contrast, her long-term breast-cancer risk drops to 7 percent.
This bitch is mentally ill.
Warren is more mentally ill than Hitler or Goebbels.
*no more (and no less)
She makes me think of John Candy in the third act of ‘Volunteers’, when the Red Chinese brainwashing worked a little too well on him and he became such a Marxist zealot that he even got on the nerves of his captors.
Her and Bernie are the only 2 nationally elected officials that have argued for more economic nationalism, and more socialism... I wish there was a shorter word that encompassed both of those
I see what you did there.
Huh? Every union leader, ever, has espoused protectionism and shared ownership.
“In America right now, those Democrats that are there to fool people who are looking for equity, fairness, and a better life outnumber politicians promoting true fair and prosperous government two to one.”
I suggest shutting down the Democrats.
And not republicans? Abort them all.
>>abortion clinics be set up on federal lands.
schedule your D&C in view of Old Faithful
Hungry bears and all?
What shocking news!
A fascist wants to do fascist things.
Whodathunkit?
98% of pregnant women who visit planned parenthood receive an abortion.
It’s almost as if PP has an agenda.
It’s kinda true that having an abortion raises cancer risk. But that’s not because of the abortion it’s because having a baby reduces cancer risk.
Yeah. Best I can tell, a lot of the discussion around PP tends to presume they're neutral actors, purely disinterested experts giving information and medical procedures. They do in fact have a stance on things though, and it is one that does differ from many other people. One can think they're right, one can think they're wrong, but it's not neutral.
Plus, they do have real financial incentives to give abortions, and so there is additional motivation there. There's not such thing is morally neutral experts, people have motives and it's important to realize that.
Wouldn't a pregnant woman who wants to keep her baby go to a family doctor instead of the Eugenics center?
-jcr
Especially in low income neighborhoods and among college students, PP is the place you go for women things. For many young women who have yet to establish themselves under a physician’s care, PP is where you go for that kind of care.
I had a friend who was pregnant at 15 and her mom took her there because that’s just what they do. Women care. So people going there are not necessarily wanting an abortion, they just aren’t aware of any alternatives or they think PP is woman’s health care. My friend was pressured into aborting by the nurse or whatever. She didn’t abort, but she said if she hadn’t already made up her mind before going, she would have. The pressure to do so is very strong and they want you making the choice immediately - like any sleazy sales rep.
It seems to me that it is common knowledge that what Planned Parenthood offers is birth control and abortion, not adoption services or pregnancy care.
I’m not going to take the time to research all 22 studies. I’ll just list one quote.
Journal of the National Cancer Institute, suggests that a 22-year-old woman's lifetime risk of developing breast cancer rises from at least 10 percent -- the average for women in general -- to 15 percent if she has an abortion. If she has a baby, by contrast, her long-term breast-cancer risk drops to 7 percent.
Add women to list of people Democrats believe have no agency.
According to Elizabeth Warren, women are stupid and have no agency.
Don’t you dare contradict her LIVED EXPERIENCE.
It's called projection. Warren is very stupid and unable to form a thought without input from the leftist hive mind, and thinks all women are like her. (Except for conservative women, who are obviously monsters from a different hive mind.)
Yeah, how are they fooling them? Do they lie and say that they provide abortions? Otherwise, I don't see who is being fooled. If someone just wants an abortion, they can ask if this place does abortions and go somewhere else when they say no.
Idiots like Warren probably think a pregnancy center advertising reproductive healthcare support is deceiving people because that's what they call abortion on demand up to days after birth.
abortion on demand up to days after birth.Days after birth? Where's that?
AHEM Birthing People, you science denying Christofascist.
Those ditzy Birthing People are too irresponsible to be trusted to not get fooled into birthing. They probably should vote or gave credit cards without their Ejaculaing Person’s permission.
AHEM, I believe it's "people with a capacity for pregnancy."
First they get screwed (haha) over by the lying lotharios and girl bulliers, and then they have to deal with this shit?
Everything is so terrible and unfair! For womyn. I mean, “birthing persons”.
What the fuck is this dumb cunt's problem?
Individual freedoms.
She hates kids?
And blacks, she does represent massachusas
And Mexicans.
Odd considering she's a WOC.
Yes, but a very light shade, like 1 part in 1024.
A below average IQ with an above average sense of entitlement?
I'll give her average on IQ. But that's not saying a lot. Definite mid-wit (I really like that term). Smart enough to think highly of her own intelligence, but not smart enough to have many original ideas or think too deeply about things.
Uh, remember She’s a Law Professor. She probably knows a lot more about this than you wingnuts
A law professor who lied to get the job.
As a graduate of a tier 1 law school and a law professor, SHE should know better.
Warren knows the Constitution, she just doesn’t care.
There are people who go through law school, even teach at law school, who literally think The Constitution means whatever they say it means. Unless, of course, somebody else thinks The Constitution means something different. Then the opposite is wrong. That’s Pocahontas Lizzy. The Constitution means whatever you think it means unless you disagree with her.
Living Constitutionalist at their highest hypocrisy.
She uses indigenous logic.
Under a Pence administration, would it be disinformation to fail to describe abortion as homicide?
Homicide is the death of a human being as a result of the actions of another human.
I’ll use the scientific definition of a human being and say yes. It is a homicide. You can’t argue any different unless you want to argue science or the definition of words.
PS: Homicide is not legally murder.
Her real goal is to make if more difficult for poor women to have children. That should only be reserved for the elite.
If by “elite” you mean “educated” I’m down with your idea.
What does the Constitution have to do with Liz Warren? Her people owned these lands before white men ever set foot on this continent, she has no loyalty to the Constitution. Neither does Bernie Sanders for that matter, the lizard people have been here from time immemorial.
I know it’s sarcasm, but she did take an oath to uphold The Constitution.
This will surely impress the white privileged nut bags that support her; won't go over too well with the Tacos and Latinx. Maybe we should consider amending the 25th to include members of Congress?
Honestly, putting an age cap on federal office at this point really isn't a bad idea.
It’s not age and I hate the limitations. There are 80 year olds I would vote for before a a 32 year old.
It ALWAYS depends on the candidate. Trump is about the most childish person I know at his age. He literally acts like a five year old. He seems, however, to be in full control if his faculties. Even if his faculties resemble a middle school “mean girl”.
My WWII grandfather is still alive. He will turn 98 this year in November. He is the most honest and genteel man I have ever known or met. Up until about age ninety he was completely self-sufficient.
No, crisis pregnancy centers should not be shut down. That is outrageous and authoritarian as fuck.
HOWEVER, there are reasons to be upset with some crisis pregnancy centers. Many of them are vague in their advertising, implying that they offer abortions. So they are trying to trick women who would otherwise want an abortion. Many of the centers have a facade of a medical clinic, to maintain the image that they perform medical procedures like abortions, but the most they typically do are pregnancy tests and ultrasounds and maybe STD testing. VICE News did an investigative story on them a little while ago, it is still on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-ex4Q-z-is&ab_channel=VICENews
It is worth checking out, at least so you know why some people are upset with them beyond simply because they are opposed to abortion.
>>implying that they offer abortions
the mal-inferrer is welcome to leave at all times
You're free to leave whenever you want, but would you mind telling us why?
The pregnancy tests, ultrasounds, and STD testing are the types of medical procedures that Planned Parenthood frequently references so as to define themselves as not just abortion mills.
As for implying they offer abortions, then get them on false advertising charges. I've seen people complain about lines such as "Thinking about an abortion? Come talk to us." and things like that as examples, which I don't believe would cross any threshold of false advertising. If there are real ones out there, then the tools exist to stop that already.
Much of this conversation presumes that abortion is somewhere on the line between morally neutral to good though, and a lot of the negative commentary on crisis pregnancy centers is based around that assumption.
Well, BUCS, here is the website of one of the crisis pregnancy centers cited in a story I read on the issue:
https://whiterosewomenscenter.org/
So you can decide for yourself what you think of their advertising practices.
Having read through it, I think it's fine.
Yeah, really doesn't look bad to me, either. Especially not bad enough that a sitting US Senator needs to threaten the force of the federal government to stop it.
Your daily reminder that Jeff rarely reads the links he posts, just like earlier with the lawsuit for discovery in the morning thread. He was told what to think about the link, and publishes it elsewhere without thought.
jeffy: presenting yourself as a medical professional to convince adult women not to abort a child borders on criminal behavior, but presenting yourself as an academic to convince elementary school kids that boys who think they are girls are perfectly normal is just giving kids all the information so they can make decisions for themselves.
The amazing part is that the sheer mass of all that cognitive dissonance doesn't collapse into a black hole.
Thanks for the link. They call themselves an "Abortion Counseling Clinic". They claim to offer "Information on Abortion", and
"Information on Abortion procedures" and "Clinic referrals".
To the naive woman seeking or considering abortion, it would appear they offer or facilitate abortion as an option, when in fact, they do not, and will do everything in their power to discourage it.
The question is is it fraud that can be rightfully prosecuted. Probably not, even if it is misleading. For it to be fraud, some kind of material or tangible good or service or money would have to change hands due to false or misleading pretenses or deception. Basically, they're propagandizing which they have a right to do.
The way for the abortion rights people to deal with it is to run ads alerting pregnant women about fake abortion clinics and specific pregnancy counselling centers that do not offer abortion and will try to talk women out of abortion. Use freedom of speech in response to freedom of speech.
I much prefer to err in the side of freedom of advocacy, even if the advocates are misleading or deceptive.
The name "Planned Parenthood" is more of a lie than any crisis pregnancy center has committed
Planned Parenthood is on the same level as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
They claim that they prevent unplanned pregnancies and thus abortions by handing out contraceptives. I don’t see a problem here, they encourage people to actually have a plan before making kids instead of just boning until you get pregnant by surprise.
LOL
They encourage pregnant women to have abortions. Full stop. They plan avoidance of parenthood.
But, they do not mislead anyone that abortion is what they offer.
Lol. Youre such a leftist clown.
I know, right? It is so leftist to try to understand the arguments of all sides. Real libertarians just assume everyone else is evil and base their arguments thusly.
You never try to understand any argument. You just blindly push whatever narrative you've been told to push. You've never once budged on CRT, post modernism, etc. When given counter information in one thread you will pretend the information was never given to you in the next thread.
You don't ever understand the arguments intentionally. See the terrible gotchas of the last few days you've posted.
You are directly an example of Haidt's analysis of how liberals do not understand the arguments of their opponents, which is not true of conservatives in general.
https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/conservatives-understand-liberals-better-than-liberals-understand-conservatives/
Link used as it has the passage from his book.
I can see Jeff's point. Birthing people who are too irresponsible to use cheap, widely available birth control in order to avoid getting pregnant are also far too stupid to contact a pregnancy center and ask them if they do abortions.
It's cruel to expect people to have to do literally anything at all to take responsibility for themselves or their own outcomes.
Birthing people who are too irresponsible to use cheap, widely available birth control in order to avoid getting pregnant are also far too stupid to contact a pregnancy center and ask them if they do abortions.
You should watch the video. A woman was interviewed on the video who claimed she called this crisis pregnancy center, thinking that it provided abortions (because it came up in Google search results when she searched for getting an abortion), and when she called to ask about the price of an abortion, she was told that they don't discuss prices over the phone and that she should come in for a free pregnancy test and ultrasound.
So she did exactly what you expected of her. Is she still an irresponsible slut?
I don't understand your point. Is it that they convinced her to have the baby and so she didn't seek an abortion? Is the assumption that the woman had no recourse afterwards and could no longer seek an abortion? How did that story end?
Jeffy doesn't care how it ended. They presented her with information she wasn't seeking that could have potentially biased her decision. What do you think this is, a public school?
She got a free pregnancy test and ultrasound, didn’t she? How were her rights violated?
I think the new proper term is "people with a capacity for pregnancy."
So what's a birthing person? Is that different from a people with the capacity for being pregnant? Or is birthing person no longer used because it centers the experiences of people who don't kill their babies and erases the lived experiences of people who do kill their babies in courageous acts of self love?
Sorry, I should have indicated my sarcasm. Just trying to make a funny reference to the idiotic testimony of good ole professor Bridges.
I was trying to make a sarcastic remark about how woke terminology is extremely confusing.
So confusing. And just pure pseudo-intellectual garbage.
Both terms are problematic because it doesn't account for otherkin who believe they aren't people.
So they are trying to trick women who would otherwise want an abortion.
What do you mean by this?
Lol. Yeah, Jeff, birthing persons are so easily fooled cuz they stupid, right?
So they’re ‘tricking’ women who you feel should have an abortion into not committing infanticide of their baby?
It's not a baby 'til it's out of the womb.
What I just don't get is the political calculus behind this.
Why?
Anyone so pro abortion that they are mad about people trying to help pregnant women care for children is already so far down the Left Wing track there's no need to make an appeal to them. Fauxcahontas could drop a deuce in these peoples' (craft) beer glass and they'd still vote for her.
So why?
Why not just zip her mouth shut and let Republicans hoist themselves on their own Womb Police petard? Democrats have a golden opportunity to campaign for state legislatures across the country. Heck, if they appealed to the center they might even have a chance at holding onto congress. It's mystifying.
Is it a locally sourced non-GMO deuce?
She is a dem, the media will run cover for her regardless of how stupid she is
Leftists are psychotic.
They sincerely believe that most people are as obsessively pro abortion as they are.
"Most people" agree with Roe. They'd ban it in the 3rd trimester, permit it without question in the 1st, regulate it or ban it somewhere in the 2nd trimester.
Has Elizabeth Warren ever been right about anything?
definitely not .
She does have kind of high cheekbones. I will give here that.
She even got her race wrong on a job application
Clap...clap...clap...
Warren is a US Senator. The rule of law does not apply to her.
Elizabeth Warren Wants To
Shut Down All of the Country's Crisis Pregnancy Centers. Doing so wouldbe blatantly unconstitutional.There, that will cover everything she ever does.
Fauxcahontas can fuck right off, as always.
-jcr
+1
A person who famously falsely advertised herself as Native American should probably not be in the business of criticizing others' advertising integrity.
An NBC News investigation, in which reporters went undercover, found that a crisis pregnancy center at the southern border "played a video saying that abortions cause mental illness," and had a staffer "impl[ying] that abortions can cause cancer and infertility."
I don't know about the cancer claim but the other two claims are true.
When a producer visited another crisis pregnancy center as part of the investigation, a counselor repeated infertility scaremongering before gifting her baby booties for her child.
How is this supposedly "torture" or some kind of fraud? This is amazing. yes the pregnancy crisis center is against abortion and will argue against abortion if you go there. What's the big deal?
Do we see planned parenthood providing a balanced discussion to their patients when they arrive?
This is such trumped up bullshit. The real crime here is these centers are violating the narrative. That's it.
And yes, abortion does cause a risk of future fertility issues. It's easy to look up so why would you claim otherwise in this article?
The only reason to be upset and angry that these centers sometimes convince women on the fence to forgo an abortion is if you see abortion as a religious sacrament as part of your fucking death cult.
Warren is fucking sick in the head.
It's depressively astounding that we live in a society where people who publicly offer to adopt babies are ridiculed and institutions that provide massive amounts of support to soon-to-be mothers and mothers of newborns are made out to be bad people that powerful government officials want to stop.
Just goes to show that for many people, "pro-choice" really means "pro-abortion". The goal isn't choice, the goal is abortion. What else explains their intense outrage that someone might be counseling someone that they have a choice?
Also, to hell with Warren.
^ this. absolutely correct. There is no explanation for being outrages that someone is counseling against abortion unless you are so rabidly obsessed with abortion you prefer it as the ideal outcome of a pregnancy.
https://twitter.com/Queerty/status/1547636107008827392?t=FFDtkGAAVTzvYw9ys6vlhw&s=19
Amy Coney Barrett is having a really crappy summer
[Link]
"Things also aren’t looking so hot for Barrett on Twitter right now. Here’s what folx are saying over there…"
Things also aren’t looking so hot for Barrett on Twitter right now.
oh no
Words from FOLX can hurt
https://twitter.com/GathererSkull/status/1547214286535139330?t=95mwqy5tvHVHe7emf3PQjw&s=19
Take a trip with me
The year is 2000, life seems quite simple, the internet is still new. MTV is still mostly good, and people are generally normal
With one exception
There are wiggers everywhere
This cultural oddity of white guys who choose to express themselves personally by pretending that they're black and or Hispanic gangbangers is pervasive
Each one a stereotype unto himself, clothing is bright and audacious, language. Ridiculous
They aren't a majority, but there's enough of them that you see at least one or two everyday
Sometimes you have to interact with them, typically you just engage enough to remain cordial or professional
No matter what they're confronted with. The visage of their act never breaks
Face with danger, existential threats or violence they continue their charade, seemingly emboldened by the fact that for the most part people just go along with them
Occasionally they use the N word, to mixed reaction, but surprisingly it's not as bad as you would think as often as you would think, they just kind of get away with it
It's allowed as almost a kind of head nod both of their dedication and ridiculousness
In 3 years the movie Malibu's Most Wanted will come out marking the zenith of the trend, from there it will decline and then fade into memory as those people realize that maybe that was a little silly and they grow up and move on
Now imagine that this cultural oddity of a peculiar era wasn't allowed to exist as its own facet in society
Imagine we treated them as a protected glass, being told officially, federally, that we must respect their identity
Imagine doctors are told that they're allowed to select African American on forms, and you must tell them that no, they don't have sickle cell
Imagine the MVA is told that they are allowed to tick the box for African American, despite having blue eyes, blonde hair and light skin
Imagine that we were told that despite the fact that all their behavior is caricaturized stereotypes that are at the end of the day are nothing short of egregiously offensive
That we can never say anything about it, because that's who they say they are
[Thread keeps going]
Was Lizzie wearing her full headdress and wampum belt again?
I stopped at "Pregnant person". Although I've had dump's I compared to childbirth.
WTF
https://twitter.com/BonillaJL/status/1547643268040560640?t=HL_cLAgJWWUOk0dd2HVOaA&s=19
WATCH: The mother of the Ohio 10/y rape victim tells Telemundo's @MariaVargasPion that the child "is fine", and "everything they say about (Gerson Flores) is a lie."
[Video]
Jesus christ.
Something really weird going on here.
This whole story is just completely fucked up.
Confirming the rape did nothing but generate more questions.
I predict that the mother is in a relationship with Flores and doesn't want to ruin it.
And last month, she [Warren] introduced the Stop Anti-Abortion Disinformation Act,
Which is revealing since she owes her political career to a disinformation study claiming 50% of all personal bankruptcies in America were due to medical bills (the real number is 03-5%). Warren, like all leftists, doesn't oppose disinformation on principle, she merely objects to others using her team's tactics.
Warren is evil. Everyone should know that at this point.
As far as crisis centers outnumbering abortion clinics 3:1, I'm sure Planned Parenthood (talk about disinformation) has a list they can provide.
Is she advocating for less choice? OMG, why does she sound like she WANTS more abortions, isn't the point to have more choice not less? She is either really stupid and is entirely insight-free or she is evil. Stupid I hope.
Democrats - "If you're against abortion, you have to provide support to women and their children!"
Also Democrats - "We need to shut down places providing support to women and their children!"
Democrats: "Men need to pay child support"
Also Democrats: "Men have no reproductive rights or say on abortion"
also democrats ...do NOTHING to enforce accountability upon the several generations of backed out dad's. start forcing the dads to work, pay support, engage, take their money...word will get around and the fella will bag up their peckers at least on SOME level. right now they skate. MOST black children have no dad's. mom grifts the welfare system
Lol. As usual democrats are projecting their own flaws on to others. All arguments about abortion rights aside, calling an abortion clinic a "Reproductive Health" clinic is 100% deceptive. They should be calling pro-life clinics "Reproductive Health" clinics and calling abortion clinics "abortion clinics" if we are to be honest.
Amen. Well said.
"Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans."
Um, babies actually are tiny humans.
i often tell folks that if they will simply watch a video of a late term abortion with me and then maintain their pro-choice position then i'll shut up. still awaiting the first taker
"Doing so would be blatantly unconstitutional."
Starkly, irredeemably evil, too. Is it clear yet that she's not "pro-choice", she's anti-life?
Where is the like button? You hit the nail on the head. Everything the left is doing, from chemically castrating little boys to abortion and deliberate destruction of the food and energy supply is about population control. They hate humanity.
Reason.com, frantically shilling for Vagina Patrol
"Claims about abortion being linked to infertility and cancer are not true; medically speaking, abortion is actually quite safe (for the mother, that is)."
As in... NOT SAFE FOR THE BABY... HA HA! Fuck you, Reason. Cutesy shit like this is why I unsubscribed from your magazine. Though I appreciate the (very) few balanced abortion-related articles, overall your abortion coverage is garbage. Even in an article like this, which has a clear protagonist and antagonist, you have to throw in shit like this. Fuck you.
"Sometimes these centers steer women toward viewing ultrasounds of their babies, in the hopes of guilting them into keeping them by showing them how much they already resemble tiny humans."
That's because they are.
The government can and has shut down both businesses and charities (such as the Trump charity) for fraud, for being a scam, for operating under misleading appearances. "Dec 18, 2018 — President Trump has agreed to shut down his embattled personal charity and to give away its remaining money." If the President can be forced to shut down his operation, so can anyone. And there was no challenge to this agreement as unconstitutional.
Are these customers really tricked into going into the CPC facilities? 1%, 10%, 50%? And those that do, are they tortured by the experience?
I'm in favor of the government shutting down businesses that deceive customers, but is this the case here?
It seems clear that what must be "shut down" is that government in Washington. It is unlawful and inasmuch devoid of lawful authority.
Think how much better the world would be had Warren's mother made the pro-abortion choice?
Even the most ardent pro-life Christian would have to concede that point.
-jcr
I'm not particularly ardent about it. But when someone has a point, they have a point.
No doubt she want to do it 'for the children'.
It’s a shame Pocahantas wasn’t aborted. Can’t think of anything relevant she has done. She has however made herself worth 12 mil thru insider trading like many other Congress critters. Fuck em’ all!
Someone needs to shut down this BABY KILLER NUT JOB AND THOSE WHO WALK AND TALK LIKE HER!
constitution schmonstitution...her crew are lefty kooks that let do the thinking. if you want to call it that. the lumps that heed her are the silliest of the 'tards
Liz could at least be honest. The antichoice or Comstockist cause is to send men with guns out to again ban ALL birth control. The bottom line of "Life Begins at Erection" is that any female suspected of having had sex is under suspicion of harboring a fertilized ovum entitled by mystical fanatics to collectivized "race suicide," Lebensborn, or "future cannon-fodder" privileges which entirely overrule and cancel any individual rights the female participant in the sex act might have had minutes earlier. Oh, they also demand Long Dong, Palito and Bund Deutscher Mädel again ban non-heterosexual relations. Cf "Republicans banned ALL Birth Control"
It is very odd that people so concerned with "reproductive rights" want to stop all people supporting reproduction!
"or some kind of highly-politicized body attempting to define 'disinformation' in biased ways."
Yep that's what they want in all contexts.
^
Kind of like how TJJ2000 lost his shit over abortion?
People who call suicide hotlines are looking to be talked out of it. People who call "crisis pregnancy centers" are not calling to be talked out of abortion.