A New History of the Old Right
On the American right, populism has always been lurking in the shadows.

The Right: The Hundred Year War for American Conservatism, by Matthew Continetti, Basic Books, 496 pages, $18.99
Unlike most accounts of the American conservative movement, Matthew Continetti's The Right begins in the 1920s, when two Republican presidents returned the country to normalcy after World War I. The ideals of that era's Republicans were not so different from those espoused by former President Donald Trump today: They believed in cutting taxes, restricting immigration, and protecting American industry through tariffs. But there was one fundamental difference: Presidents Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge rejected the populism of their age. They aimed to preserve American institutions. Trump is more like William Jennings Bryan, riding the coattails of discontent. He represents a time, Continetti argues, when an increasingly apocalyptic conservative movement "no longer viewed core American institutions as worth defending."
Continetti has worked in many of the most important conservative institutions. As such, he should be praised for addressing the darker side of his movement, a side that many other conservatives have been hesitant to confront. Continetti puts the tension between populism and elitism at the heart of the conflict over conservatism. The result is a much more nuanced and satisfying portrait of the American right than is offered by most other journalists and historians.
The discontent Trump used to propel himself to the White House has always been present on the American right. When Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R–Wis.) began his crusade against "the hidden Communists in America and their liberal Democratic protectors," for example, he found support in the Republican Party and in the few conservative publications that existed at the time—The American Mercury, Human Events, even the libertarian-leaning Freeman. As McCarthy's accusations multiplied and "became more outrageous, more galling, and more disconnected from reality," Continetti writes, conservatives such as William F. Buckley Jr. still backed his crusade. There are similarities in the way Sen. Robert A. Taft (R–Ohio) responded to McCarthy's conspiracy theories and the way Sen. Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) has responded to Trump's. While McCarthy ultimately undermined himself by launching outrageous accusations against President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Continetti demonstrates just how long conservatives have been tempted to follow aggressive demagogues while they lambaste liberals.
Traditionally, conservative elites have tried to channel populist sentiments into a respectable and successful movement. No one had to grapple with this question more than Buckley, the founder of National Review. The usual conservative narrative says that Buckley legitimized conservatism by being a gatekeeper: In keeping the conspiracism of the John Birch Society and the radical individualism of Ayn Rand at arm's length, he made it less likely that conservatives would be labeled extremists. In the case of the John Birch Society, Buckley wrote a 5,000-word essay, "The Question of Robert Welch," that condemned the group's founder, arguing that "the best thing Mr. Welch could do to serve the cause of anticommunism in the United States would be to resign." Buckley's purges are often held up as a great success, but the reality is that Welch did not resign and the John Birch Society continued to have influence.
While Buckley initially aligned his magazine with segregationists in the South, a choice that has marred the movement's reputation ever since, he was resolute in opposing Alabama Gov. George Wallace's particular brand of populism. Wallace, of course, was a strident proponent of segregation in the 1960s. During his second run for president, on a third-party ticket in 1968, the candidate turned heavily to anti-elitist rhetoric. "As he began to attack the federal government and its know-it-all politicians and bureaucrats," Continetti writes, "his support among conservatives grew." Buckley called Wallace "Mr. Evil," "a dangerous man," and a "great phony." He was also taken aback by the "uncouthness that seems to account for his general popularity."
Other conservatives joined the denunciations. Wallace's conservative fans, National Review founding senior editor Frank Meyer wrote, need to recognize that "there are other dangers to conservatism and to the civilization conservatives are defending than the liberal Establishment, and that to fight liberalism without guarding against these dangers runs the risk of ending in a situation as bad as or worse as our present one." In modern parlance: Don't back a man like Wallace to own the libs.
Ultimately, movement conservatives did not embrace Wallace. Ronald Reagan refused to run on his ticket with him (the idea had been floated by some conservative activists), and Wallace ultimately gave way to another Southern Democrat, Jimmy Carter (who Wallace endorsed and campaigned for in both 1976 and 1980). But the fact that he made so many inroads is revealing.
Continetti does not spend much time discussing Reagan. This was deliberate: Reagan often dominates histories of the conservative movement, even though he was just one of many important historical actors. But he remains essential to understanding the American right. His presidential campaigns appealed to the populist impulses of the late 1970s, but they did so in an optimistic way, channeling voters' discontent into a constructive legislative agenda. This made him both the exemplar and the exception.
Continetti's major contribution comes in explaining how conservatism has changed since the end of the Cold War. Here he details the conflict between neoconservatives, such as Bill Kristol, and paleoconservatives, such as Pat Buchanan. With their dedication to the culture war and their opposition to foreign intervention and immigration, the paleoconservatives presaged Trump's electoral success in 2016.
The paleocons lost the political battles of the 1990s and 2000s. But the war on terror ultimately discredited the neoconservatives, opening the door for populist discontent to capture the Republican Party. The first manifestation of this was the Tea Party movement. While Continetti draws a straight line from this to Trump's election, in reality the Tea Party encompassed several strands of conservatism (all populist in nature) with conflicting conceptions of what 21st century conservatism should entail. Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky, Marco Rubio of Florida, and Ted Cruz of Texas all rode the Tea Party wave to victory in 2010–12, and all had very different visions for the future of the nation—and very different visions from Trump's. Nonetheless, the anti-establishment politics that emerged in the wake of the Iraq War and the 2008 financial crisis ultimately brought Trump to power.
It was during this time, from 2010 to 2016, that Continetti believes "the populist American Right [became] less interested in preserving institutions than in tearing them down." One could hardly think of a better instrument for that purpose than Trump. Trump condemned illegal immigration and trade with China, announced "support for a ban on Muslim entry into the United States," and recalibrated "American politics along the axis of national identity." Many conservatives initially condemned him, and National Review even released a special issue titled "Against Trump." One of its contributors called the candidate "a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones." Nonetheless, Trump won.
Now a new generation of right-wing writers is denouncing the American founding and trying to redefine American conservatism. Continetti rejects their project, insisting that "one cannot be an American patriot without reverence for the nation's enabling documents" and "one cannot be an American conservative without regard for the American tradition of liberty those charters inaugurated." The task for conservatives, he writes, is to preserve "the American idea of liberty and the familial, communal, religious, and political institutions that incarnate and sustain it—that is what makes American conservatism distinctly American."
Many Americans, including a lot of conservatives, were shocked when Trump defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016. If Continetti's book had been available before the 2016 election, perhaps we would not have been so surprised. The Right demonstrates that the populism we have seen from the American right over the last five years is not an aberration. It has always been present, lurking in the shadows and sometimes in plain sight, waiting for its moment. Some statesmen, such as Reagan, were able to tame it and channel it into something productive, but for the most part, it was just pushed to the movement's fringes. It is not likely to return to the margins anytime soon.
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"On the American right, populism has always been lurking in the shadows."
Ugh. Populism is just awful.
That's why I embrace Koch / Reason libertarianism, which is effectively the opposite of populism. Our philosophy maintains that the primary objective of government is to create the conditions under which the 20 or 30 richest people on the planet (including, of course, our benefactor Charles Koch) can get even richer. This explains our support for policies like unlimited, unrestricted immigration and a $0.00 / hour minimum wage.
#InDefenseOfBillionaires
#CheapLaborAboveAll
PS — It also explains why Koch-funded libertarians desperately wanted Biden in the White House. Mr. Koch is up $7.42 billion in 2022, which is much better than he did in the abysmal Drumpf economy with its draconian anti-billionaire policies like "border enforcement."
#LibertariansForBiden
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Yes, this, #CheapLaborAboveAll!!! THWART the demographic transition of the poor!!! THIS is why Charles Koch wants to outlaw ALL abortions, as well as the wastage of ANY healthy yet-to-be-fartilized egg smells (among the poor, that is).
Say the following (which I regard to be true) and many conservatives will immediately agree: We can be OUTWARDLY “compassionate” while harming people. Minimum wages and rent controls come to mind! Of COURSE we are compassionate when we mandate higher pay and lower rent! Yet if we do these kinds of things to ANY significant degree, we “dry up” many of both the available low-wage jobs and the available apartments! Now go be jobless and homeless, ye victims of our “compassion”! Because businesses and landlords don’t want to lose money! Plain and simple!
Then WHY can’t conservatives see the similar dynamic when trying to be “compassionate” with other peoples’ wombs? Sure, we all love babies! But what happens to the victims, not just of “Lying Lothario”, but also of birth-control failures, and of genetic and developmental (in-the-womb) defects? “The rich will get richer, and the poor will have children”! More non-wage-earning babies and children in a family is a straight, unadulterated input contributing to poverty! It’s not what most people desire or admire, sure, but abortion is backup birth control. Our new USA move towards outlawing more and more abortions, in more states, will aggravate poverty among the poor, Blacks, and Hispanics, who can’t afford to travel for abortions, as easily as richer Whites can. We’ll be thwarting the “demographic transition” (https://populationeducation.org/what-demographic-transition-model/#:~:text=The%20Demographic%20Transition%20Model%20(DTM,as%20that%20country%20develops%20economically ) for poor residents of the USA! The rich yank the ladder out from the grasp of the could-be-climbing poor, with abortion laws, just as they do with minimum wages, rent controls, and excessive job-licensing laws!
Retard.
Way to go! Way to be “compassionate” with other peoples’ wombs!
If only those womb-owners had any control of spontaneous pregnancies.
They do, and it is called "abortion". Now, "the elite" will decide that safe abortions are off limits, and you must go back to coat-hangers!
HERE are the kinds of "experts" that will decide for us!
Speaking of clueless politicians, see https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/23/idaho-republican-anti-abortion-swallow-camera , “Anti-abortion lawmaker gets anatomy lesson – women cannot swallow camera for exam.” (“Pill-cam”). It seems Idaho representative Vito Barbieri wasn’t listening in the third grade, when another student asked the teacher, “If babies come from mommy’s tummy, how come they don’t get digested?” And he’s not done ANY even vaguely serious studying of health matters since then, either! This clearly shows the UTTER medical ignorance of many power-hungry politicians, who would STILL over-regulate medicine, in order to pander to fanatics! Ignorance for the win, over decency, humility, and self-restraint!
More lovelies from Republican politicians: https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/politicians-learned-anything-since-clayton-williamss-campfire-rape-joke/ “Bad weather is like rape, he (Clayton Williams) said; “if it’s inevitable, just relax and enjoy it.” And “raped women can’t get pregnant”, they say!
Cool. So if I do anything that leads to consequences that I don't like, I get to shout "my body" and then all sadness falls away, along with debt, contracted commitments, and other nasty responsibility.
Like eating sugar and not brushing your teeth enough?
You know what makes tooth decay, right? For those SINNERS who eat SUGAR, and do NOT brush their teeth quite right... And since God told me that tooth-decay bacteria have souls... We must PUNISH you AND your dentist, you irresponsible slut ye, who get tooth decay!!! ('Cause I have a YUUUUGE punishment boner, is the REAL root cause here.)
Again, retard.
I have just as much evidence that God told me that tooth-decay bacteria have souls... As you do with respect to fartilized HUMAN egg smells! From then on in, it is just a contest of how many dogs you can get to join you on YOUR populist dog-pile! Woof-woof, bow-wow!
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Again, Sqrlsy's a retard.
Hey Moose-Mammary-Necrophiliac... Woof-woof, bow-wow!
William Jennings Bryan explained in 1925 that if God wanted the pill camera to work that way, She/It could make it work that way.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/idaho-lawmaker-still-thinks-rape-cant-result-pregnancy-and-its-2016/ “Nielson’s comments echoed those of former Missouri Rep. Todd Akin, who once memorably said on a television interview, ‘If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.’”
Republican “facts” and “logic” summarized: Abortion-prohibiting laws will need NO exceptions for rape, because raped women don’t get pregnant! If raped women DO get preggers, it MUST mean that they ENJOYED it, so it wasn’t REALLY rape, then, was it?
Here is the latest hypocritical politician: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/18/herschel-walker-fathers-day-weekend-pass-social-conservatives-00040710 Social conservative crowd cheers Herschel Walker after revelations of undiscussed kids… The former Heisman winner got applause from the Faith & Freedom crowd, after a week of reports that he had more children than he’d publicly acknowledged.
My comments: I know the type! Big Man on Campus sports super-heroes need NOT follow the rules of the mere mortals! “Pro-family-values” square-jawed super-hero Republicans like Herschel Walker will be cheering the new abortion restrictions, ‘cause their lied-to harems full of fertile babes will now have a MUCH harder time of using abortion as “veto power” against lying scum-bucket men!!! Herschel Walker and ALL the other “Lying Lotharios” for the win!
Ram Johnston proved that Life begins at erection.
27 states require the use of the (sonogram) “shaming wand” in order for the shamed (slutty) women to get abortions; see https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/ultrasound-requirements/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D . Not to worry too terribly much? Now, this has yet to be tried in the courts, but the supposedly “slutty” women MIGHT be able to get “religious exemptions” from the shaming wand! For details about that, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/sonograms/
Topic: Populism
OBL - "I embrace Koch / Reason libertarianism, which is effectively the opposite of populism"
SQRLSY - "Asjfsx@zHR7&ghk....abortion
Earth-based - "Retard"
SQRLSY - "Way to go! Way to be “compassionate” with other peoples’ wombs!"
Lol. He's such a shitty troll.
Shorter Mammary-Fuhrer: "SQRLSY tribe bad, My Tribe Perfect!"
Thanks SOOOO much for Your Deeply Intellectual Inputs!
ML is like a conservative Neil Young: A Canadian whining about American politics.
I've explained why before, would you like a reminder?
Also, sarcasmic, maybe you can explain how Sqrlsy's rant about abortion was related to the posts he was replying to.
I suspect he was just copypasting random shitposts without actually reading what he was replying to, for the purposes of trolling. But maybe you have deeper insights into his behavior?
But maybe you have deeper insights into his behavior?
*snort* That's like predicting which direction a chicken will run after you cut off its head.
I assumed he was doing coke. You know, because of the substance abuse problem.
Apt comparison for SQRLSY.
OBL likes more poor folks to crank out more cheap labor. Populist, statist womb control is a solution! Try to keep up, Oh Perfectly Frizzled-Brained Wonder Child!
I picture Sqrlsy as Dr. Lizardo in the early part of Buckaroo Banzai. But less rational.
Canada has no abortion laws to bully girls with. See "Canadian Liberals and American Libertarians"
Seems a pretty shitty person all around.
So Witcher never heard of the Volstead Act, Prohibition's Portia Willebrant, the Manley Sullivan case, dry killers, the heroin epidemic of 1924, the Jones Five and Ten Law making possession of beer a felony...
Why is populism so hated, scorned? It is simply the common preferences of common men and women. Other times it is called ‘the will of the people’, or for the elites, the ‘zeitgeist of the times’.
The TEA party, the greatest populist movement of the 21st Century, brought us Rand Paul, Justin Amash, and others, who are the most libertarian politicians on the horizon. Others saw this gathering parade of freedom and jumped out in front of the parade; don’t discount the movement on their account. With just a wee bit of adjustment for today’s governmental abominations, a new movement in opposition to Wokeism could emerge with the right sort of leader who could articulate the “history of repeated injuries and usurpations” that we need to overthrow.
I, for one, am glad to embrace “the radical individualism of Ayn Rand” in direct opposition to all forms of collectivism.
Here I stand, I can do no other.
"Why is populism so hated, scorned?" (BTW, Ayn Rand never reached "populism" in her number of fans, IMHO.)
Because of scapegoating? Blame the witches, the blacks, the gays, the Jews, the illegal sub-human immigrunts, the rich, the poor, private web-site owners, abortionists, atheists, democrats, and "those people over there". Never me and you, who belong to the GOOD tribe! And simplistic solutions! "All of our troubles will be solved if only we will get together and punish-punish-PUNISH ______________!!!" (Fill in the blank.)
If only we could make the liberals cry more!!!
Populists, swear OFF that whole bag of shit, and THEN maybe you could help attain long-term peace, individuals freedom, and prosperity!
PS, if anyone cares to know, I will now fill in the blank, for me, personally...
"All of our troubles will be solved if only we will get together and punish-punish-PUNISH _____people who, w/o permission, blow upon cheap plastic flutes_____!!!"
To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!
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Elitism good, populism bad. Did I get that right?
No. A representative government (what you seem to be calling elitism) is supposed to be a buffer between populist whims and the functioning of government.
Elitism is a government run by unaccountable bureaucrats. Not the same thing at all.
Populism is a government that goes with the whims of the people with no regard to principles or rights or limitations on power. It's the darling of the left.
You're right that elitism is a government run by unaccountable bureaucrats, but Gaear didn't call a representative government "elitism".
Another point is that representative part of representative government is almost impossible right now with the parties hijacking processes with things like superdelegates.
Another point is that representative part of representative government is almost impossible right now with the parties hijacking processes with things like superdelegates.
Why do you think I said "Absolutely not" when the lady at the DMV asked me if I wanted to register to vote while I was renewing my driver's license? That's right. Because I can't choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
I mean representative implies populism, not pushing powers to unelected "elites/experts."
But we all should just put blind trust in who government hires apparently.
...representative implies populism...
Not at all. Populism is direct democracy, or a government that bends to the mob. A representative republican form of government is supposed to prevent that by having cooler heads, the elected representatives, take a step back and not make decisions based upon whatever's got people whipped up into a frenzy this week.
No. The term direct democracy exists for a reason. You are conflating the two as exactly equal because your team has decided to deride it. Populism can contain both representatives as well as a constitution. Youre again ignorant.
I don't have a team you fucking retard.
somehow i dont believe this
you may not vote but it you did or... gun to your head - you were forced to choose, by the comments of yours that i've read - i'd say you'd choose the Dems.
You know what. Instead of dealing with your usual argumentation from ignorance. Just read this.
https://mises.org/wire/federalism-not-centralization-way-out-current-conflicts
A good summary on why federalist policies are preferred. The very system called populism by those supporting elite rule. Stop falling for their bullshit and definitions. It is one of your biggest issues.
Dude, I am a federalist and I oppose both populism and elitism.
Again your mental illness is causing you to listen to the voices in your head instead reading what I actually write.
Maybe you should read your own links. It shoots down Trump's policies on immigration and trade that you so vehemently defended.
Elitism does not require "un-elected bureaucracy". It just requires investing governance in Top Men.
The National Review brand of conservatism, where they lined up principals and ran them through their routines before maneuvering them to the head of the party was just as Elitist, despite the fact that at each step of the way votes were happening. They just insisted that conservatives ought to vote for those Elites like Romney because he was ever so smart and capable.
A representative government can be set up to elect "elitest" pillars at the head. The parties do that. In practice elites instill their beliefs through longer term representation through bureaucracy.
Populism can result in elitist rule. But is quicker to undo that if the masses choose other electors to be representatives later. That is why power is transferred to longer term entities such as the executive departments.
My point is that this argument about whether we have an elitist or populist form of government is wrong-headed.
The Populism vs Elitism argument is not about governing institutions. It is about governing philosophy. It is a question of who is best to set the priorities and policies of government. Whether you are direct democracy, or representative, or dictatorship, you can have Populist and Elitist governors.
And a populist form in my view is less oppressive as it allows for change more quickly than elitist or esoteric forms of government. This was seen in the guilds and organizations of the past that withheld information so they could rules populations over time.
Populism is not bad. It just means in essence government is accountable as their powers are not set in long term institutions. The very problem we saw the last 5 years with those institutions fighting elected individuals.
I prefer much more strongly political accountability through populism than ingrained power that can maybe be chipped away slowly.
Buy a clue. Superdelegates have not "decided" any party nominees, ever but are an attempt to give whatever party they are in some power in contests increasingly featuring self dealing personalities with no loyalty to the party. Parties are the collection of members and principles which define the goals and collective will of like thinking citizens, and they have declined in strength over time to the point where the GOP had no platform in the 2020 elections because ..... Trump. I am in favor of increased party strength and lessened individual charisma as deciders of our future.
Tell that to Bernie Sanders supporters, you paid shill. We all saw what happened at the conference.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
This is one of those comments that were clearly copied and pasted from a PDF.
Fuck off, slaver.
Because we all should love at the whims of people who call themselves experts despite their repeated failures. The cocktail circuit knows best and reason is part of that circuit.
Live*
Yeah, we live in a real hell hole since the enlightenment and division of labor. Maybe you can report back to us when you move to the Amazon jungle and seek like minded non-expert adhering comrades in your new tribe.
Lol, what the fuck are you even trying to say?
He is throwing words hendoesnt understand at the wall and hoping they make sense.
What kind of dressing would you like with your word salad?
Sure would be nice if fuckheads like you weren’t trying to drag us back to the Middle Ages.
"Why is populism so hated, scorned? "
It's that it undermines faith and confidence in the nation's institutions. The article says as much at the start:
"He represents a time, Continetti argues, when an increasingly apocalyptic conservative movement "no longer viewed core American institutions as worth defending."
It was his attacks on the loyalty of the military that brought down conservative ire on the populist McCarthy, finally. Undermining confidence in a core American institution, in other words.
"‘zeitgeist of the times’. "
For us true elites, zeitgeist is enough. 'Zeitgeist of the times' is redundant.
"It's that it undermines faith and confidence in the nation's institutions."
This is true generally, but in the current case the nation's institutions did the job themselves first.
Since 2013 institutional journalism has become a clickbait joke populated by demagogues, trust in your local police is at third world barrio levels, since Covid began the WHO, FDA, CDC, etcetera have proven to be clownshows, a freshly purged military is more concerned with pronouns and rainbow flags than defense, the FBI manufactures evidence and ignores cities burning but targets PTA parents who are mad about rapes, the government hosts kangaroo court show trials about phony insurrection while encouraging its militias to target dissident judges... ad nauseam.
In the current case the institutions undermined faith and confidence.
"In the current case the institutions undermined faith and confidence."
With the public's diminishing expectations, not just in institutions, but in its ability to pass along a wealthier, more secure society to the next generation, I think society will become more authoritarian. Luckily for the planet, expectations are rising in China and India, and a more optimistic politics has some potential.
Dude, the change in America has been the prevalence of 24/7 cable news and right wing talk radio selling discontent and hatred, along with the demise of local papers, not the dissolution of some perfect past in journalism.
Right much better when you had yellow journalists pumping the propaganda of FDR. Remember when they demonized icky, dirty immigrants because they dared to sell meat at too low of a price? That was civilization, baby.
"right wing talk radio selling discontent and hatred"
You misspelled the New York Times and WaPo.
"Dude, the change in America has been the prevalence of 24/7 cable news and right wing talk radio selling discontent and hatred"
But that smacks of blaming the messenger. The fact remains that people are ready to buy that message. That's where the problem lies. There have always been those who stir up discontent, whether it's the CPUSA or the John Birch society. They've long been marginalized because their message didn't resonate with most of the audience.
The JBS was never "marginalized". It continued to quietly operate for 6+ decades with financial support from numerous billionaires and multi-millionaires.
In March 2023, a new book by Dr. Matt Dallek will be published entitled: "BIRCHERS: How the John Birch Society Radicalized the American Right". It is the best-researched book about the JBS during the past 40+ years. All serious students of the extreme right should buy and read it.
I don't think it was ever part of the mainstream. Hence marginalized, like the CPUSA. The number of office holders from either outfit is negligible.
Was reading Ian Toll's "Twilight of the Gods", about the Pacific theater of WWII '44 to '45. 5ye prologue describes FDR's soured relations with the press in his third term which basically described as a conservative/reactionary conspiracy against him using language that is very similar to how Fox is talked about now. The Left has always reacted very badly to those parts of the press who are not docile toady's to their agenda and their pols.
Sure Mother, history began in 2013 and we lived in a perfect world of objective news sources and straight talking politicians before that.
Sure Joe, that's exactly what I said. History began in 2013.
Fucking retard. I hope you didn't get fifty-cents for that.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
"Sure Mother, history began in 2013 and we lived in a perfect world of objective news sources and straight talking politicians before that."
That, somehow, disproves that institutions did, in fact, ruin their own credibility.
"It's that it undermines faith and confidence in the nation's institutions."
The FBI lying under oath and illegally spying on a President did not undermine faith and confidence in the institutions?
Populism is a RESPONSE to how the elites have fucked up all of the institutions.
Populism and Elitism are both fallbacks when you cannot stand behind your principles. They are justifications for platforms that cannot be supported from moral foundations.
Elitism: The government should do this because Top Men who have seriously studied this, have determined it to be optimal.
Populism: The government should do this because it is populist.
Principle: The government should do this because it is the right thing to do.
The great leaders make principled positions popular.
Overt, the GOP had no platform in 2020 because they had Trump. Think about it.
This has nothing to do with my statement.
But it was next on his PDF.
Joe had a platform and the left and the media lied about him trying to push him as a moderate.
TDS is a real problem.
"Populism: The government should do this because it is populist."
Umm, want to try again?
Sorry, "Government should do this because it is popular."
Populists appeal to majority. Elitists appeal to authority.
Governance by logical fallacy.
Before the reign of the racists from Spain, America's native populists appealed to the authority of the Popul Vah.
"Populism and Elitism are both fallbacks when you cannot stand behind your principles. They are justifications for platforms that cannot be supported from moral foundations."
Disagree.
The principles of elitism and populism might not be the specific policy positions that you like, but they're there.
The principle of elitism is that there's a small group of people who deserve to dictate society's rules/order, which must be obeyed by those they don't consider elite. This can be based on blood, credentials, obedience, whatever- but it is fundamentally about the right of the in-group to control the out-group. The moral principle is that people have a proper place, as decided by the elite.
The principle of populism is that the needs, desires, and ideas of normal people should take precedence in society. The specific policy prescriptions of populism change based on circumstances. In the past, it's meant being provided for. In the present, it means being less restricted. Fundamentally, the principle of populism is that the individual should determine his own place.
Both see the other as having a duty. Elites believe they are the authorities and it is the duty of others to obey and perform menial but necessary tasks. Populists believe the authorities', the other in this case, duty is to prioritize normal people's well being and livelihoods.
Populism could never do something like the lockdowns, because they negatively affected normal people's lives disproportionately to the virus. Lockdowns were pure elitism.
Rule by expert
vs
Every man his own expert
But this is what I mean when I say it is a fallback. These are attempts to steal a base and say "This is the best item, because [Top Man|The People] want it that way."
Let's take the minimum wage. It has a good history as a populist trope. But anyone who knows anything about the Minimum Wage knows that it actually hurts the populace who claims to want it. It also has a history of Elitist support, with the folks like Elizabeth Warren trying to say that she has studied this ever so closely, and determined that it is what's best for society.
How about universal health care? Populist or Elitist?
Populism and Elitism aren't the issues, they are the justification for issues. They are the way to rationalize WHY the government must do something, when basic moral principles are missing.
I can concede that, but it depends on how you define the terms.
For example, I don't think what is currently "populist" includes universal health care or minimum wage. Those are elitist prescriptions.
Unfortunately, populism has become just another smear like fascism or democracy, divorced from any concrete meaning.
In my opinion, elitism in this context means technovracy, while populism would be closer to minarchy.
I think the fundamental significance is one of prioritization: to govern according to the whims and desires of elites, or to govern according to the desires and beliefs of normal people.
Government's purpose should be to guarantee the rights and capabilities of normal people, not to dictate what normal people become.
Who is important:
-collectives and lords?
vs
-individuals and citizens?
"Unfortunately, populism has become just another smear like fascism or democracy, divorced from any concrete meaning."
Yes. Exactly a point I was making elsewhere. Just because an issue is Popular doesn't make it populist. Just because something is favored by elites doesn't make it Elitist. Because issues per-se aren't populist or elite. Rationalizations and defenses of issues, on the other hand, are populist or elitist.
The one modification I would make to this is that Elitism, by its very nature, is Statist whereas Populism could be Statist or Not. The Elite's entire premise is that the populace cannot be trusted to take care of itself, which required enlightened rulemaking. But populists can argue for the state restricting trade with the minimum wage and tariffs on one hand, but also argue that the people need to be left alone to make their own decisions without betraying the core populist assumptions.
this was a nice exchange!
Or Rule By Putin and Kyrill
vs.
Ukrainians and Ruzsian individuals ruling themselves.
Right? 🙂
Populism is scorned for the same reason the Founders considered "democracy" to be a pejorative. They created a republican form of government to put a buffer between the whims of the people and the creation of policy. You shouldn't make big decisions on emotion, and populism is whipping up the masses with an emotional fervor. The left loves populism because it's as close to straight democracy as they can get. Mob rule is what they want.
Conservatives who promote populism are promoting mass emotion. They're promoting straight democracy. They're promoting mob rule. Just like the leftists they hate.
"The left loves populism because it's as close to straight democracy as they can get. Mob rule is what they want."
I guarantee you that democracy and mob rule are the very last things that the left is interested in.
Then why do they want to eliminate the Electoral College? Why do they put everything they want to a public referendum (over and over until they get the result they want after which it is "settled")? Why is it that, with the notable exception of J6 which was Trump populists, every riot (mob) is started by the left?
Yes they want the elitist administrative state, but they want direct democracy as well. Is that doublethink? Probably. But that's pretty normal these days.
"Then why do they want to eliminate the Electoral College?"
They don't. That was solely an attempt by the Democrats to illegitimize Trump's presidency. They dropped that rhetoric like a hot potato the second he was gone.
"Why do they put everything they want to a public referendum"
They don't. They hate public referendums. The California Proposition 8, Same-Sex Marriage Ban Initiative was an excellent example of why.
The left has been pushing to eliminate the EC for as long as I've been paying attention. Not just when they lose. And the vast majority of popular referendums come from the left.
So I can't tell if you're serious or just being your usual trolling self. I'm going with the latter, because if you agree with me on anything you risk being ostracized from your tribe of girlfriends.
Can you show the action to amend the constitution to actually do it
They've been yammering about it for the thirty plus years I've been paying attention. Oh, wait. You're moving the goalposts. Never mind.
He pointed out that they do not want to remove the EC and demonstrated it by their lack of any attempts to actually do so.
Conservatives wanted to overturn Roe v Wade and made efforts, for decades, to do so.
Their reaction to Roe is another glaring example. They want single national control so their failed ideas fail everywhere.
"They want single national control..."
Show me ANYONE who advocates federal control of who may be allowed to bring a child to term, v/s those who will have forced abortions? Please?
If I advocate that we all decide for ourselves what to eat for breakfast... And to encode THAT is federal law, if need be, if bossy bitches start wanting to micro-manage us around on that issue... Will you accuse me of favoring "single national control" of breakfast menus?
We are talking about "point source" individuals making these choices! Women in consultation with those who love them, and their doctors! How BADLY must you distort truth?
(Bossy micro-management is bossy busy-body-ish-ness, whether done by other members of my church, or my city, or my state. REAL libertarian individuals treasure INDIVIDUAL freedom, which works MUCH better than self-styled elite busybodyism!)
All for democracy Mother - Republics are sub sets of the class Democracies - and so were the founders. The right in America has been dependent on losers winning power for 30 years now, and some of it they stole.
The word "democracy" appears in the founding documents exactly zero times, because they were wary of the mob.
"Republics are sub sets of the class Democracies - and so were the founders."
Wut?
I'm a leftist - compared to you and most here, but not compared to Bernie or Che - and you're full of shit. No, I don't prefer populism and none of our leaders in the Democratic party were selling that bullshit though the loser who used to be president sold it like hot cakes to the right.
They why does the left protest every election that doesn't go their way (Trump learned it from them)?
Why does the left push for issues to be put onto the ballot (and then withdrawn as soon as they get their way)?
Why are 99.9999% of riots started by people on the left?
Seems like you guys take your populism very seriously.
Joe Asshole, slinging more bullshit.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Populism in the private sector is a wonderful thing, promoting happiness and wealth. See: McDonalds.
Populism as a form of government is a terrible thing. It legalizes mob rule. See: lynchings.
Now, to be fair, populism as governance might be generally no worse than elitism, or theocracy or random-flavor dictatorship. But also certainly no better just because "the people" claim totalitarian authority.
Populism doesn't require mob rule. It can be as simple as government doing what the voters voted them into office for instead of doing what lobbyists and unelected members of government want them to do.
We saw this issue with the first impeachment trial where Vindman and others kept talking about how Trump was going against the long term beliefs and policies of State. It isnt populism to say the elected president has more power than unelected bureaucrats.
This is especially true after the unelected class formed The Resistance openly and in opposition to the presedential vote winner.
Being against this behemoth that seemingly has as much power as the republic and political class doesn't make one subject to mob rule. Mob rule would be doing what democrats are asking for where the constitution holds no binding of legislative actions, where there is no constitution.
People blindly yell populism as if government power isn't restricted by the founding document. The claims against populism here are used solely as justification of the bureaucrats to fight against the will of the voters.
Your so full of shit I don't know where to begin. I might begin by advising you so called Libertarians to stop beginning arguments by claiming leftists, democrats, etc are all bad people motivated by bad faith, especially given the worst case of bad faith governance in my life - if not the republics - was the loser we just got rid of (he won the EC, not the presidential vote Jesse) trying to flip an election he got slaughtered in and his party mostly - with some admirable exceptions - going all in on.
Otherwise? Drop dead.
You said nothing intelligent. Should have stopped on your first sentence.
"democrats, etc are all bad people motivated by bad faith"
Bad faith? You're evil fucking psychopaths.
Lefties here accuse me of being some sort of weird Canadian Republican supporter, but I'm not. I simply hate the American Democratic Party and it's supporters.
After the Nazis it has been the single most evil, misanthropic political party in the Western world. Worse than the Falangists, even worse than the Italian Fascists. It leaves a legacy of slavery, murder, real racism and death. It is utterly irredeemable and needs to be destroyed.
Especially since it's the British Foreign Office that's been calling the shots at State since before I was born. By now they've pretty much merged into one society so it can no longer be said to be primarily a British thing.
This is actually correct.
The American deep state is but a tool of the British deep state, which is why Russia has been enemy number 1 even after the USSR dissolved.
In Free-Market Capitalism, of course, "Populist" restaurants and businesses and "Elitist" restaurants and businesses need not be enemies and frequently exist in close proximity, with some people as clientelles to both.
McDonald"s can be work-a-day lunch for workers, with Ruths' Chris' for aniversaries or family reunions. The thrift store can provide daily clothes, while Gengihis Formal Wear provides tuxes for weddings, etc.
It's in Politics and Religion that Elites and Populace become potentially dangerous.
Why is populism so hated, scorned? It is simply the common preferences of common men and women.
In today's mass society, how do you know the 'common preferences of common men and women'? You're not really talking about sitting at the bar yapping one on one with Joe Citizen. You're talking about creating some abstract commonality among people you don't even know, creating a message designed to get them to act in synch, in order to oppose abstract people who are or claim to be in charge of the way things are, all about specific issues where it is rational for the not directly involved to be ignorant.
'Populism' is not a definition of what it is for but of what it is against. WW1 provided evidence, for the first time in history, that it was possible to create consent and forge opinion - in ways that were both repeatable and that would be enhanced with all increases in knowledge about human nature. Which is why the 1920's became an intellectual cauldron of trying to figure out what had changed - Edward Bernays, John Dewey, Walter Lippmann, etc - and whether the basic Enlightenment era institutions of democracy and self-governance could exist when omnicompetent citizens could not exist.
The 'conservative' impulse towards 'populism' - or more accurately the conservative impulse towards nihilism - is simply the gut saying 'let's get rid of the last 100+ years and return to a different time when myths (maybe) worked (for me if not for thee)'.
How about Democrats almost universally get more votes for President, senate members, and even the House when controlled by the GOP. How's that for "populism" and how's trying to minimize the effectiveness of the minority in clinging to power even when so unpopular by theft and dysfunctional institutional constructs like the state winner-take-all EC votes and Senate filibuster?
You keep demonstrating your own ignorance. Voting patterns would change in a direct democracy.
Even if Dems get more votes and can claim that they speak for the common man, they can't be antiestablishment enough to be 'populist' because they own the public sector union vote.
So fucking what. If you had any respect for libertarian principles you might not immediately jump from "majority voting" to entitlement to comprehensive management of society, whether well-intentioned or not.
Joe, just come out as a totalitarian.
Because libertarian, small-government, peace-loving populists will take power away from DC, and make it harder for all-knowing elites to enact their enlightened policies on us for our own good, while brandishing the cudgel of military might and the threat of economic sanctions to keep other nations in line.
Got room for me over there?
Randal, Amash and the Tea-talitarians all sought to send men with guns to force women into the involuntary labor of reproduction. Ayn Rand denounced Ronnie Ray-Gun himself on this account. So what do religious fascists have in common with Ayn Rand's philosophy?
Them damn populists, always lurking in the shadows like vampires or ghouls or some shabby beast. Why, those uncouth bastards don't even know the difference between an oyster fork and a shrimp fork! What a bunch of maroons! Those peasants need to learn their place and leave governance to the experts who have done such a bang-up job of promoting conservatism over the last 50 years or so. This is the sole reason government is much smaller and cheaper and less intrusive than its ever been before.
It's very dangerous to democracy if some demagogue tricks a majority of the people into wanting lower taxes, less social engineering, and fewer wars.
Populism is always a reaction and a very good indicator that your government is infested with elitism or corruption.
It's like how a T cell count jump demonstrates that cancer or disease is probably present. And like T cells its valuable in fighting infection.
a reasonable metaphor
- works for both sides
This comment section should be fun to read later.
"[Trump] represents a time, Continetti argues, when an increasingly apocalyptic conservative movement 'no longer viewed core American institutions as worth defending.' "
Pointing out the wayward turn of American institutions like . . . the media, colleges and universities, Hollywood, Big Corporation, the national security apparatus aka FBI, CIA, NSC . . . means they are not worth defending? Why criticize if they are no longer worth anything? These institutions went woke, picked sides, and are justly feeling the pressure.
I'm pretty sure conservatives have been pointing out the long march through institutions for half a century at this point. There never was a blind trust in government in conservatism.
Half a Century. At least a hundred years as far as I've read. Alger Hiss-Whitaker Chambers. I'm still on the fence about sarcasmic.
From what I've been hearing on NPR while driving, the left is absolutely terrified that the new conservative Supremes will start dismantling the administrative state.
I sure hope their fears are founded in reality, and some of these alphabet agencies are put to sleep in a dirt bed for going beyond enumerated powers.
you see... its comments like this that make me doubt my earlier assumption that if forced to choose you would go team D.
but then again - you do confess to listening to NPR.... 😉
You mean defending the institutions that have actively turned against America and classical liberal values? Institutions that actively conspired against the president in their 4 year coup? Go fuck yourselves if you believe any of that marxist claptrap is worth fighting for.
pop·u·lism (pŏp′yə-lĭz′əm) n. 1. a. A political philosophy supporting the rights and power of the people in their struggle against the privileged (ruling) elite.
Which swings every which way the wind blows according to who is the 'privileged elite' in one's own imagination and what 'rights and power of the people' actually contain.
My assumption would be that the opposite of Populism would be unabated obedience to a 'privileged (ruling) elite' and ignoring any 'rights and power of the people'.
The division of the two is outlined in the U.S. Constitution assigning what duties are that of the 'ruling' Governments and which are left as the rights and power of Individuals.
Without any further context it sounds like a leftard indoctrination word used as an excuse to push 'pure democracy' and thwart the U.S. Constitution. (as they compulsively do)
And it's not like the left doesn't hate the elite. They have a whole philosophy based around tearing white, male power structures and attacking billionaires for having too much power.
Populism is too vaguely defined to be meaningful in a democratic context. It might be more sensible if you're talking about populism in contrast to the old-world monarchies, where there actually were people who wanted power concentrated in the hands of a few elite.
In a society that values the power of the people, "populism" is just what you use to describe people you don't like becoming too relevant.
Leftists don't actually hate the elite, that's just an aesthetic they put on. They worship the elite.
They hate and resent achievers though.
Their dream, and what they admire, is to become, even just as an acknowledged tool, a member of the elite without having to do so through direct, honest means.
Like any mob, left-populists do indeed love the elite--providing they get to define and choose who qualifies.
Nardz - 2020 election results.
Trump counties = 30% US GDP
Biden counties = 70% US GDP
Now do food and energy.
Without any further context it sounds like a leftard indoctrination word used as an excuse to push 'pure democracy' and thwart the U.S. Constitution. (as they compulsively do)
That's exactly what populism is. Now explain why Trump supporters defend populism.
Learn what the Resistance is. Read the testimony from the first impeachment. It is literally being against the unelected power structure which you actually condemn above. Odd.
There's nothing odd about me condemning the unelected power structure.
The only people who think I'm a leftist are mentally ill people like you who don't read what I write, and instead listen to the voices in their heads.
you sound so much more reasonable when you are off the aborton topic!
or even the abortion topic
"The peasants in Sri Lanka and the Netherlands are just awful! How dare they object to the life their betters have imposed upon them!"
They're worse than the gilets jaunes in France, insisting on being able to make a living when the fate of our planet hangs in the balance from slightly nicer weather if we don't enact the climate policies gifted us by the elite.
"Populism bad. Centrally planned and organized political mob good!"
-Reason
https://twitter.com/ShutDown_DC/status/1545421407223521280?t=cGiFfGOknW_Qubt_gMEwww&s=19
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We'll venmo you $50 for a confirmed sighting and $200 if they're still there 30 mins after your message.
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Also, JFC, is getting yelled at in a restaurant the worst thing that has ever happened to this man? Oh, to have his problems.
Try being a public figure while being female and/or having any melanin.
Good point about female public figures actually, especially if you're a female Democrat Senator who doesn't toe the party line on spending the nation into oblivion.
Park Slope Welchie Boy, Goth Fonzie Woppo, Mango, and all the rest of the figazis of Reason really ought to pay attention more to what's taking place around the world.
Because all around the world, from America, to the Netherlands, to Sri Lanka, more and more people have decided that they're fed up and they've enough of George Soros, Klaus Schwab, Hansjörg Wyss, and all the rest of the New World Order, Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, Great Reset would be feudal lords of the global realm.
Yep. They better figure it out quick before they find out what millions of pissed off people can accomplish.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/for-a-glimpse-of-the-future-look-b37
Damn populists?
https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1545857347972743171?t=sXIWlwAAZ98Fo5OKzmW5Rw&s=19
NEW from me and Mary Kay Linge
Woke Monticello now focuses on trashing Thomas Jefferson
Some of the usual suspects here are already trying to laugh this off as "cons not wanting to teach history" — but this isn't about history, it's about completely redefining Jefferson's legacy so that he can eventually be eliminated from public life
Don't believe me? In New York City this process is well underway
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If democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard, then populist democracy is the theory that uncommonly dumb people, like your crazy MAGA uncle or your purple-haired Greenpeace daughter, know what they want, and deserve to make life hard for normal people.
That's an elitist argument, blaming societies' most marginalized and dispossessed members for the problems of the nation. This is why populism stands no chance at effecting change, as it can't help but play into the hands of the authoritarians who run the show.
If realism is elitist, then I will proudly wear that tag.
Here's the real truth: most people are or at least consistently act dumb in one or more critical ways. And dumb will make your life suck in one or more critical ways. Terms like "marginalized" and "dispossessed" are either deceptive or condescending, or both.
And if you feel like the purpose of society is to "help" people, especially through massive government programs, you are not even close to libertarian.
"And if you feel like the purpose of society is to "help" people, especially through massive government programs..."
Such as statist womb-control policies? And protecting the rights of frozen fartilized egg smells, thereby shutting down IV reproductive assistance? How DARE infertile couples want healthy babies, against the Will of the Government Almighty!!!
Hey-ho, many of you conservatives! Your true colors are showing now!
I have generally found that most people who consider the average person to "consistently act dumb" are the most deluded people on the planet. They over-simplify, project their own insecurities on the world, and overall confuse "what works for me" for "the best and most optimal way".
I wouldn't mind such arrogant oafs being so condescending, but their persistent judging of others' life choices almost always gets taken up by nannies who then turn their prescriptions into government regulations that make the world miserable.
I am a firm believer in both social and government structures that enable, and even encourage, people to run their own lives and make their own choices. That includes forming communes or joining cults--provided these remain private entities without legal power over others. But that means people need to be ready for consequences, good and bad, and unequal outcomes.
And I really do not care how smart or dumb people are, or think they are. They should be in charge of themselves. I will speculate that a type of populist, perhaps something like the "renegades" of Thaddeus Russell, want nothing as much as to be left alone. And I will simplistically call that "good" populism, in contrast to the types of populism that leads to authoritarian revolutions.
Yes, yes. But find me a person who sagely explains how "those idiots over there" don't know how to spend their money, or eat their food, or otherwise live their lives, and I'll show you a person who won't be at all broken up when the government decides to force people to spend, eat, or live the "right" way.
These are the people who mouth platitudes about freedom and liberty, but then very uncomfortable complaining about the government mandating vaccines, or drug regulations.
Elitism isn't just about how you govern. It starts with this deep down belief that YOU know what's best for someone you've never met.
Elitism isn't just about how you govern. It starts with this deep down belief that YOU know what's best for someone you've never met.
Repeat the line.
Very true. So call me an egoist. I am sure I know more than most people about a lot of things, some esoteric and some practical. And I am equally sure that I could make better decisions than I see people make. But I have no desire to make decisions for people, even when they ask me (outside of close family).
"It starts with this deep down belief that YOU know what's best for someone you've never met."
Kudos!!! I need to steal that line!!!
Libertarians (REAL ones) generally believe that what is best for them, is to decide for themselves...
"in contrast to the types of populism that leads to authoritarian revolutions."
In all such cases you will see an explicit call for centralized, far reaching power using "the people" as justification. Power that is to be wielded by rulers, a vanguard or party.
That isn't populism, it's transparent rhetoric.
It is populism, as some have used the term today, if a large part of the population supports the rulers, right?
So every government not hated by its people is populist?
"Terms like "marginalized" and "dispossessed" are either deceptive or condescending, or both."
I don't mean to cause offense. I'm using those terms to generalize the MAGA uncle and purple haired daughter you referred to. I still maintain that emphasizing the shortcomings of such people only serves to strengthen the hand those who rule them. Populism is doomed to fail as long as it shares the elite contempt for those who are ruled.
https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1545820816692035584?t=QZA8XWNExbQLgoXfH3VLtQ&s=19
They are finally figuring out who the real target of their anger should be.
Protesters broke through the front gate of Sri Lanka's Central Bank.
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I certainly agree that the people of Sri Lanka have been fucked by various establishment players.
But what does the mob want? Some of what I have read sounds like many dream of a workers' paradise, with a new comprehensive organization that will deliver prosperity and equity by decree.
Now?
They probably want revenge and utopia.
Previously?
They'd probably have been satisfied with food, the ability to use fertilizer to grow the food, and generally not having their government impose conditions on them that destroy their lives.
I assume the want the ability to grow food
As individuals or as some part of a socialist collective? The distinction should matter to libertarians as much as populist vs. elitist.
What about the contention over Reason that's existed since its founding? Because of its Objectivist roots, it's always had 2 tendencies that sometimes come into conflict: libertarianism and, well,...reason. The latter has manifested from time to time as opposing religion and the masses, and favoring technology, science, and often scientism and elitism. This tension does not go back only a few years, it's just that its current manifestation has taken on the contemporary poles of favor and disfavor of Trump.
This tension is overlain on the desire on the one hand for broad appeal and on the other for product differentiation. You have to convince donors you're giving them what they want, but also that it's not what they can get elsewhere, and that they need look in no other directions than at you. The product differentiation aspect by the entrepreneurs of the movement (such as Reason and CATO) is more crucial the more successful the general movement is. Thus the constant insistence that the "conservatives" are no better than the "liberals", etc., which leads to a distorted scale by which those closest to you are downgraded for the most minor defects, while much greater defects of those farther from you are downplayed.
The product differentiation at Reason fits well right now with their pre-existing anti-pop, pro-elite bias.
Hi Roberta,
Thanks, I think you're correct, in that Reason looks for "balance" between various things... "Pop" v/s "elite", what is attainable v/s the ideal, etc. "Pop" often (over the last CENTURIES!!!) has large elements of scapegoating. See my response to BigT further above. "Elite" has problems that most of us are already thoroughly aware of. ("It is good to be the King"; power-grabbing is innate, even if it is often fear-of-the-other-driven.)
A re-framing would be, the interests of the masses v/s "special interests" (the latter clearly including Government Almighty regulators and associated goons). See "regulatory capture" and "concentrated benefits, diffuse costs". In that light, I have NEVER clearly seen (as I can recall) Reason.com favoring the special interests over the common good, and individual freedom! Have you?
Scientism and elitism are not examples of reason. Those are progressive values.
Elites promoting a faith-based doctrinal ideology can come from the left and the right.
THAT is exactly how we KNOW that fartilized HUMAN egg smells (but ONLY the human ones) have inalienable rights! Good job!
Perhaps-existing, perhaps-not-existing, intelligent space aliens may or may not yet know that since THEIR fartilized egg smells do NOT contain HUMAN DNA specifically, they have NO inalienable rights, unlike ours! If-when they get here and-or contact us, I hope that we will let them down... GENTLY!!!
Just OD already.
https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1545936747174825984?t=riA_ox8Ke-PGKwi1YGdlmA&s=19
A food, energy, and financial crisis has brought down Sri Lanka's government. But the underlying cause is the fact that the nation's political leaders had fallen under the spell of green elites peddling “ESG” and banning modern fertilizers.
The World Economic Forum and others promoted organics in Sri Lanka. “Given its education levels,” wrote economist Joseph Stiglitz for WEF in 2016, “Sri Lanka may be able to move directly into... high-productivity organic farming..."
"It was on the advice of Vandana Shiva that [Sri Lanka's President took the decision to ban chemical fertilizers..."
Vandana Shiva celebrated Sri Lanka's ban on chemical fertilizers and its move to "100% Organic" farming
Western environmentalists including Michael Pollan and Frances Moore Lappé, have promoted Vandana Shiva, architect of Sri Lanka's disaster, for decades.
Shiva is unrepentant. “The food crisis in Sri Lanka has deeper roots than a six-month ban on import of agri-chemicals... We need to look to Cuba for a full-fledged organic policy in the face of fuel and fertilizer supply stoppage due to sanctions.”
Shiva today says "Sri Lanka should have carefully planned this step."
But in June of 2021, Shiva struck a much more upbeat tone about its radical action: "Sri Lanka has already banned all chemicals and announced a transition to 100% Organic Sri Lanka."
Some leading Sri Lankan organic farming advocates were trained in the US and funded by multinational corporations including @MasterCard @Disney @JPMorgan @Accenture & @Google through "social entrepreneurship" philanthropies like @Ashoka
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https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1546137032136634370?t=pBc02MKNcSkDHdICiaYy3w&s=19
Resistance by ordinary people against anti-human, pro-scarcity green extremists is happening around the world
These Italian motorists rightly dragged these narcissistic @ExtinctionR protesters off the highway
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It is amazing watching nearly every country that has adopted the elitist view of society has failed. Green movements crashed Spain economy and now is effecting Germany.
They believe centralized planning is greater than free markets. Creationism like behaviors.
I've come in recent years to trace "conservatism" much farther back, to the plagues and Crusades of medieval Europe. I think that's where their most important tendencies derived from.
Really? Because I've traced it all the way back to Caligula.
Explain how. What did Caligula do to diffuse into society tendencies that today we label "conservative"?
You both missed the mark by millions of years. "Conservative" values, and those who embrace that bias, predate modern humans. Any response to something new and risky always faces resistance and rejection from those who would rather hold on to the old ways. Almost all of pre-human and early human social structure was about indoctrinating the "people" in the "proper way". For example, see the social and religious morality of the Navajo people.
The fundamental tension of human social and technological evolution is new vs. old.
But you're describing actual conservatism, which indeed is pre-human. I'm referring to those tendencies we call today "conservative", with the quotes around it.
The plagues and Crusades depleted the population and wealth of Europe, so having lots of babies became a societal virtue. From that imperative derives the tendencies we've seen in "conservatism" since then: pro-family (i.e. raising lots of kids), pro-military, funneling resources up to the sovereign.
Umberto Eco's The Name of the Rose is all about the politics of the middle ages, mostly religious disputes about the poverty of christ and the role of the church.
For non-fiction, the best book on the politics of the middle ages is The Swerve: How the World Became Modern
http://library.lol/fiction/296AC8607E97D5A76D07D1F34ED80529
About the attempt to rediscover Lucretius' radical epicurean text, The Nature of Things. A wonderful book.
Good morning Peanuts! As you know I coined the term "wingnut.com" to refer to any website that's mean to Biden. For example sites that pretend inflation is a real issue. Or that the Afghanistan exit was botched. Well I regret to inform you the New York Times is now a wingnut.com site because it discusses the possibility he's simply too old.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
This again? This same terrible thesis was pushed back in April. It was gawdawful then. It is gawdawful now. It is noteworthy that (check's byline), Marcus Witcher has written now exactly two pieces for Reason. Both of them are about this same book, some sort of "Witch Hunt" for evil populists in the right.
Everything about this thesis by Continetti continues to be drek. continues to be wrong. Let's start about Mr C himself who is said to have "worked in many of the most important conservative institutions," making him some sort of authority that no one ever really heard of. Continetti has worked most of his life at National Review, with brief stints at the Weekly Standard and Washinhton Free Beacon.
He has not worked at "many" conservative institutions. He is a conservative journalist and of those three conservative rags, the National Review is the only that can be considered an Institution.
This is important, because not only are his bonafides used to justify his thesis, when you look at the pedigree, you see that he is one of the block standard Elites from NR. NR is especially important because it was they, who among other things:
1) Sold out small government conservatism with support of NCLB and Medicare Part D.
2) Supported the selection of Romney as presidential candidate, ultimately ensuring that Obamacare would never be repealed, even if the GOP had prevailed in '10.
3) Introduced the refundable child tax credit, which effectively eliminated conservative opposition to using the Tax code as a means of re-distribution.
4) Supported the nation-building, interventionist disasters that brought us Iraq, Afghanistan and the PATRIOT Act in a complete capitulation to the Clinton-era globalist nanny state that Bush had purportedly run against in 2000.
If you look very carefully at this entire screed (as well as the one in April) you see that Witcher and Continetti are OBSESSED with the roll of gatekeeper. "The usual conservative narrative says that Buckley legitimized conservatism by being a gatekeeper", he says. The true victories, according to Continetti, was that Segregationists in the South, and the Randians, and the Birchers were kept out of the party.
This focus on people is a misreading of history. The entire episode about Wallace is important to read. Witcher argues that it is "Revealing" that Wallace was able to get so many inroads with the Conservatives. This is wrong. Wallace was rejected by Reagan. He never endorsed the GOP, and in fact endorsed Carter. They did this not because Reagan played gatekeeper, but because Reagan championed a set of values that made the party incompatible with Wallace.
And this is where we see why the NR disciples fall down over and over. They confuse Principals for Principles. Reagan and Buckley were not great because of "gatekeeping"- they were great because they could articulate principles that DEFINED the gates. They were ideologues first and foremost. They weren't concerned with people, so much as they were concerned with ideas.
And this is Continetti's great failing. He, like many other NR journalists, spent the first decades of the 2000s trying to find another Reagan, or Buckley. They needed a new messiah because they were too intellectually lightweight to actually develop principles. And this is why Trump was such an anathema to them: they had spent so long compromising principles to make kings that they could not make a case for why Trump was unfit. Because they said so? Because he was as financially conservative as Bush? Because he was more pro-america than globalists like Romney?
Continetti fails to understand history, because he fails to understand what made Reagan or Buckley heavyweights in their party. It wasn't that they picked and chose who they would work with. Reagan was famous for engaging with democrats all across the spectrum. It was because they articulated, championed, and popularized ideas.
As a final parting shot, just to show how unprincipled Continetti is, note that he was one of the folks on the Conservative side who STARTED Fusion GPS digging into Trump. That ball would then be picked up by the Clinton Campaign, and used to create one of the most scandalous hoaxes in history.
Continetti, like many of the other intellectual lightweights at NR derived all their value from using the political capital of Buckley's legacy to be the gate keepers. Rather than developing the principled foundation of conservatism, they became salesmen and hucksters- there to sell you the latest suit because it was "His Turn". That's how they could tell you the McCain they'd attacked on Bush's behalf was the best voice of conservatism. It was how they could tell you that Romney, architect of Obamacare, was the best choice for defeating Obama and repealing Obamacare.
+1000
Agreed.
Check out Paul Gottfried's The Vanishing Tradition if you need another conservative take on populism and its problems. He's more in tune with Canadian philosopher George Grant of Lament for a Nation fame.
I come to Reason to read the libertarian takes in the Overt articles.
I stopped at your blaming Clinton for invading Iraq, Overt.
Read a book if you can't remember that recent period.
Except he didn't, you illiterate fuck. Read harder.
Overt:
"4) Supported the nation-building, interventionist disasters that brought us Iraq, Afghanistan and the PATRIOT Act in a complete capitulation to the Clinton-era globalist nanny state that Bush had purportedly run against in 2000."
Funny shit!
The Clinton's and their global initiative openly support nation building? Do you understand anything?
You still didn't read it and comprehend, you gibbering retard. He says Bush interventionism was based on Clinton-era globalist nanny state policies.
Not that Clinton invaded Iraq.
How did you get a job shillposting despite being a complete idiot? If I were your boss at the fifty-cent factory I would have canned you for stupidity months ago.
Funny shit! Especially Mother as "boss".
You know what's really hilarious? Your pretense that a chubby blue-hair like you ever worked construction.
Maybe you ought to learn how to read. I did not blame the Iraq War on Clinton. I blamed NR for using the justifications of Clinton-Era globalist nanny-statism to push the wars and PATRIOT act.
In case you weren't aware, Bush made anti-interventionism and anti-nation-building a key plank in his critique of Clinton's VP, Gore. He repudiated the mission in Bosnia, and criticized Clinton's expansion of the NFZ in Iraq, and the mission creep in Somalia. Further, the Republican party was substantially against the national security "enhancements" put forward by Biden, and other Democrats after the Oklahoma Bombing, because they felt it threatened the civil liberties of Americans.
I'm not interested in arguing whether these positions were right or wrong. I am pointing out that as soon as "Their Man" (Bush) was championing nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan and as soon as "Their Man" was championing those exact same "enhancements" repackaged as the PATRIOT Act, National Review was busy churning out article after article explaining why *this time* it was very conservative to do these things.
Nice try Overt. Bush went to blaming Iraq for 9/11 all on his own and had to construct the WMD threat out of whole cloth. He alone - and his administration, and the entire GOP - sold this line of crap. A limited intervention to stop genocide in Serbia is not the same thing as a major land invasion that ended with an increased regional sectarian conflict with the big winner being Iran, hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, millions of displaced Iraqis, and the US engaged in torture and discredited around the globe, with a $3 trillion cost and 4k dead.
Yawn. Try re-reading what I said and be responsive to it next time, and maybe we can discuss this.
It is likely very difficult for you to rebut my argument about what NR was doing in the 2000s, because you just don't know. That's ok- most partisans spend all their time reading their own partisan rags, and ignoring the others. But it does make you look foolish when you take to these pages. Suffice it to say, if you think that the Bush Middle East policy was sold solely on WMDs, then you are relying on a cartoon painted inside your own bubble.
No one here cares about how much you hate Bush and Love Team Blue. I don't know why you think we are arguing that.
Overt, quit spreading bullshit trying to lay off blame for the worst foreign policy disaster since VN. WMDs was what sold it to the public dummy. That's why Condi was talking about mushroom clouds and Powell had that embarrassing show and tell at the UN.
By the way, analyzing debates at the NR is of the most narrow interest - except to Continetti's mother maybe - compared to your misrepresenting recent history. Stay in your lane or expect to get clipped.
Overt really makes you mad, huh.
That's good. It means he's over the target.
"WMDs was what sold it to the public dummy. "
And if we were arguing about what Bush was saying to the public, that (cartoonish and simplistic) assessment might be making a point. But that has nothing to do with the argument I was making.
Again, read my post. I was specifically making a critique about the positions taken by the National Review. And color me skeptical, but I am guessing that I can count on no hands the number of NR articles you actually read, in full, during the run up to the Iraq War.
Again, we get it. You are here to perpetuate your cartoony "Team Blue RAH RAH" hackery. You are serving your purpose admirably, but in this case it has you proudly declaring how many touchdowns the Avalanche scored in the American Hockey Championship. It is nonsensical, and just shows how ill served you are to talk about matters of substance.
As I said , stay in your lane and you won't get clipped. Try to lay off Iraq on Clinton and you deserve to get blasted.
Whether I read NR - not usually or often, but occasionally, and that includes their time as a never Trump source - is as meaningful as the fact that I don't read Media Matters or Democratic Underground. If you think most of the other posters here are not red/blue you're fucking deaf, blind, and dumb. This is a MAGA site, not Libertarian, and the usual posts, ranting about the left or democrats are ignorantly so. The fact you're going after me as if a I was despoiling this otherwise pristine site of fair and reasoned debate says what I need to know about your red/.blue sympathies, your pretense to the side.
"Try to lay off Iraq on Clinton and you deserve to get blasted."
What? If I try to lay off Clinton I deserve to get blasted? What are you talking about?
Since you are obviously hyperventilating with partisan rage about people talking poorly about Clinton, or drunk, or both, let me recap things for you:
Overt: One of National Review's worst intellectual exercises was trying to defend the Iraq war using the exact globalist arguments they (and Bush) had argued against during the 2000 election.
Joe: BUSH IS EVIL AND WMDS WAS A LIE!!!
Notice that not a single part of my argument hinges on whether Clintonian globalist policy was good or bad. Just that NR was against this policy, until Their Man (Bush) was for it.
"Whether I read NR is as meaningful as..."
Right, this is the point. You don't read NR. So you don't know if my thesis is correct or not. All you know is that I made a passing mention of Clinton, and one must not make depictions of The Prophet, peace be upon him.
"The fact you're going after me as if a I was despoiling this otherwise pristine site of fair and reasoned debate says what I need to know about your red/.blue sympathies, your pretense to the side."
So, I guess you settled the question. You are drunk. I didn't "go after you." You replied to *my* thread. And I responded. You went after me, and tried to change the subject from a critique about the National Review to the 1 Billionth partisan argument about Iraq.
"Overt, quit spreading bullshit trying to lay off blame for the worst foreign policy disaster since VN."
He's blaming Bush alone for Iraq.
Noting that Bush campaigned criticizing Clinton for doing what Bush ended up doing is not saying "LOOK AT WHAT CLINTON DID!"
1) Sold out small government conservatism with support of NCLB and Medicare Part D.
2) Supported the selection of Romney as presidential candidate, ultimately ensuring that Obamacare would never be repealed, even if the GOP had prevailed in '10.
3) Introduced the refundable child tax credit, which effectively eliminated conservative opposition to using the Tax code as a means of re-distribution.
4) Supported the nation-building, interventionist disasters that brought us Iraq, Afghanistan and the PATRIOT Act in a complete capitulation to the Clinton-era globalist nanny state that Bush had purportedly run against in 2000.
Another moniker for Continetti might be "neo-con".
Oh, and I come to Reason for the comments.
Let's start about Mr C himself who is said to have "worked in many of the most important conservative institutions,"
Doesn't that alone invalidate anything he has to say? The first thing one would think when seeing that is that this is some guy bitching about getting put out of a job by the competition.
Liberty is putting the rights of the individual above the whims of the mob.
Populism is subordinating the rights of the individual to the whims of the mob.
Doesn't matter if the populists is on the right or the left. They're putting a leader on a pedestal, running with the mob, and stomping on any individuals who get in the way.
Here's another way to put it.
Individuals are smart. People are stupid.
Populism rejects individuals in favor of the people.
Thus populism is the promotion of stupidity.
Yes, this!
Populism just about ALWAYS relies on a focal point, a Man on a High Horse, a demigod, a cult leader!
Populism w/o a "Big Man on Campus"? Perhaps the French Revolution for short periods of time... And we know how much of a crazy bloodbath THAT was!
The mob can't rule on its own. It needs a leader. Populism without a leader is, like you said, a crazy bloodbath.
The problem is that you can have principled views that are popular. And people will regularly use the "Populist" smear to tarnish good views, even if they are principled in nature.
Trump wanted to reduce the regulatory state. It has all the hallmarks of Populist rhetoric: reducing the control that elite bureaucrats have over the public. It was also the right, libertarian thing to do. Should we shy away from it, or demean it as "Populist"? Of course not.
As you know, I have no love of populist sentiments around Immigration or Trade. But among the many other areas where Government inserts itself into our lives, it is by far an Elitist institution. Scientists tell us what chemicals we must or must not put in our bodies. "Nudging" Economists restrict our choices so we make the right ones. SEC, FDA, FCC, and the Consumer Protection Board tell us what we must and mustn't buy. Elites in Law Enforcement persecute political enemies, while letting child predators at the highest levels escape with impunity.
To the extent that much of regaining our freedom means disempowering the Elites that control every level of Capitol City, any pushback will be called Populist. Because these many, many complaints actually are Populist complaints. But they are also the right thing to do.
Of course reducing federal regulation (not necessarily regulations, i.e. verbiage in the CFR, but regulation, i.e. the amount of steering the regulators do) was a good thing, and that Trump actually achieved a fair amount of that without Congress's help. And it's ironic that it's the opposite of what the historically-named Populists (the People's Party) championed.
It's quite conceivable that another Republican nominee, if elected, would've achieved the same amount and type of deregulation, but it's equally conceivable that another would not, so Trump deserves credit, as well as credit for getting elected.
If you fuckers had a brain you'd get that "regulations" for Trump and GOP leadership means harnesses on businesses keeping them from destroying and fouling public assets like our air and water, and cutting corners on deals. This is often why the GOP loves to move things to state legislatures - that's where public involvement goes to die in the hallways outside the cozy legislators and lobbyists offices.
Dude, I don't think you understand what regulation is. Much of it is government defined rules that, so long as a polluter follows the rules, protect the polluter from getting sued.
So if some polluter upstream killed your fishing hole, but they're following EPA guidelines, you can't sue them.
More often than not regulations are in fact written by the people they're supposed to regulate, to protect them from lawsuits as well as to create barriers to competition.
No doubt some regulations are overly influenced by business interests and more likely in GOP administrations like Trumps and GOP state governments, who they represent. You fail to note or understand that Democratic interests - read supporters and donors - include environmental groups and public interest organizations and they pay attention, unlike you apparently.
Notice here that once again, Joe can't for the life of him consider that there is something other than Red vs Blue. If- and he means *if*- government regulation has bad consequences, then it is of course because Team Red did it.
Overt, see above for my trashing of your "fair" pretense.
You began this claiming Trump wanted to "reduce the regulatory state" as if that didn't mean letting the oil industry write his executive orders and name his appointees. The only basis for you pretending to not be "red" is that the GOP isn't right wing enough for you. That's not non-partisan, it's nuts, out of touch extreme, and living in a dream world.
"as if that didn't mean letting the oil industry write his executive orders and name his appointees."
Oh yes, please show me where the oil industry wrote his executive orders and named his appointees. That will sure show that *I* am the one spouting Team Hyperbole.
Overt, that uninformed? Both EPA directors were oil industry attorneys and lobbyists and his energy secretary Rick Perry worked as an oil industry lobbyist after his stint as governor. You'd be hard pressed to find someone in the administration involved in either energy or environmental issues, not an oil industry tool. Here's some nice clips to give you the flavor:
"The Oil Execs On Trump’s 'Opening The Country' Council Are Major GOP Donors
The 12-member energy panel includes eight fossil fuel executives who have donated $4.2 million to Republican candidates and PACs since June 2016.Eight fossil fuel executives tapped for a White House task force advising President Donald Trump on how to reopen the U.S. economy amid the COVID-19 pandemic have donated millions to Trump and other Republican campaigns and political committees in recent years....The energy group includes no one from the renewable energy world. ..."
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/oil-executives-economic-task-force-gop-donors_n_5ea9a3e2c5b6fb98a2b65a6e
"Trump rolls back landmark environmental law to speed up approval of federal projects
Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump announced regulatory changes to the National Environmental Policy Act on Wednesday, a change that will speed up approval of federal projects such as mines, highways, water infrastructure, and gas pipelines -- effectively weakening what's considered to be a landmark conservation law....Mike Sommers, the President and CEO of the American Petroleum Institute, which represents America's oil and natural gas industry, said in a statement that the regulatory changes are "essential to US energy leadership and environmental progress, providing more certainty to jumpstart not only the modernized pipeline infrastructure we need to deliver cleaner fuels but highways, bridges and renewable energy...."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/national-environmental-policy-act-changes/index.html
"In mid-June the oil pipeline billionaire Kelcy Warren hosted a fundraising bash at his palatial Dallas, Texas, home that drew the presence of Donald Trump and raised $10m for the US president’s campaign coffers.....The Dallas billionaire’s ties with Trump were boosted when Trump in 2017 tapped Rick Perry to be energy secretary; a former Texas governor, Perry sat on the board of an Energy Transfer subsidiary before his energy post, and afterwards in early 2020 joined another Energy Transfer board...."
2 link limit, this from The Guardian, Aug 9, 202
"Andrew R. Wheeler (born December 23, 1964[citation needed]) is an American attorney who served as the 15th administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) from 2019 to 2021.[1] .../From 2009 until 2017, Wheeler was a lobbyist in the law firm Faegre Baker Daniels' energy and natural resources practice.[17][18] Since 2009, he represented the coal producer Murray Energy,[19] privately owned by Robert E. Murray, a supporter of President Trump.["
2 links limit - this from Wikipedia
You want more?
You could make a Venn diagram of populism and principled government, and there would be an intersection. That doesn't mean that where it intersects that populism suddenly become wrong.
Rather I meant the intersection doesn't negate principled government, nor does it validate populism that falls outside the intersection.
Yes,this! "Humans are involved, so it gets complicated!" (Is what I am saying to my offspring these days.)
Tribalists don't like complexity much, though. "My tribe GOOD! Your tribe BAD!" Now THAT they can understand!
That's because Populism and Elitism are justifications for actions, not issues in and of themselves. And that is the point of my objection here. Just because populists or elites support something does not make it write or wrong- though it is very difficult to find elitist issues that don't include state power, which will mean that libertarians and rightists will periodically find themselves in the same company as populists...just for different reasons.
Trump wanted to reduce the regulatory state. It has all the hallmarks of Populist rhetoric: reducing the control that elite bureaucrats have over the public. It was also the right, libertarian thing to do. Should we shy away from it, or demean it as "Populist"? Of course not.
We should say "he has the right idea but for the wrong reasons".
Why? Because the mob will then expect that we support some populist action that is decidedly non-libertarian, only because "the people support it".
Liberty is putting the rights of the individual above the whims of the mob.
Populism is subordinating the rights of the individual to the whims of the mob.
that is a painfully weak definition of populism. Even if one doesn't trust populism, that's not an accurate definition of populism.
The essence of it is true. Populism at its core is to empower the mob. It is to justify government action not because it may be right or prudent, but because "the people want it".
Populism is kissing cousins to demagoguery - to manipulate the emotions of the mob to further some government action based on emotion, not reason.
Libertarians ought to be very very skeptical of unleashing populism and demagoguery.
No, populism is a distrust of elites. Much of the populist movement in the US and the West in general right now is an assertion of individual rights. The fight against lockdowns and vaccine mandates are a clear expression of a desire to maintain individual rights.
Populism in other forms may not be respectful of individual rights, but that is my entire point. Populism is no "automatically" anti-liberty or anti-individual rights, it is a reaction against technocratic leadership... often perceived to be too unaccountable or 'separated' "people". Yes, you might have a benevolent, technocratic leadership that is totes libertarian, and there might be a populist backlash against it. It's not the what so much as the how. The WHAT in populism depends on the issues at hand.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1545877131175120907?t=C_NHq3XwpCUtrXq6H12uVg&s=19
A state of perpetual disbelief: A growing number of people in Western nations have lost faith in democratic governance, science and a free press, turning instead to conspiracy theories, dark plots and secret explanations.
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Trigger warning, Reason
https://twitter.com/LPMisesCaucus/status/1546131875919527938?t=wx9lVxvzocpN7NwzlqCz5Q&s=19
The fact that you're in disbelief means you'll continue to lose, as you deserve.
The corporate press is the enemy of the people. And the people are slowly but irreversibly figuring that out.
"The corporate press is the enemy of the people."
But twitter is your friend.
Here in Canada for the last two years the federal government has cut journalists a monthly check directly. Eliminates the middleman.
There's still a baby bonus in Canada, isn't there? Even babies are the enemy. Babies!
Babies paychecks aren't dependent on whether or not Trudeau's CRTC recognizes them as babies, and conditioned on what they publish.
"Babies paychecks aren't dependent on whether or not Trudeau's CRTC recognizes them as babies"
It depends instead on Trudeau's Health Canada, a behemoth with a far greater budget and staff than the puny CRTC.
Twitter is the corporate press.
More precisely, it is the corporate-state press feed.
So, all the right wing jerk offs on Twitter are part of the corporate-state press?
Just imagine the grave threat to democracy and our constitutional republic and the liberal world order that would be created by ultra far right wing populist politicians appealing to the base instincts of the masses, insisting that the government be unduly constrained by outdated founding parchments written with a quill pen, and shirking away from America's responsibilities on the world stage to be the arsenal of democracy!
The J6 committee avoided any questions of Cipollone that might have contradicted Hutchinson
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More reporting that J6 committee, in videotaped, under oath interview, did *not* ask Pat Cipollone about statement Cassidy Hutchinson attributed to him, that they would be 'charged with every crime imaginable' if they let Trump go to Capitol on January 6. 1/4
On the morning shows committee members said their job was not to find contradictions and they are planning on cutting up his testimony in a scripted manner for future hearings.
The panel recorded Mr. Cipollone on video with potential plans to use clips of his testimony at upcoming hearings. Aides have begun strategizing about whether and where to adjust scripts to include key clips, one person said. The next hearing is scheduled for Tuesday.
Committe member today on the Sunday shows.
Lofgren said, “We never call in witnesses to corroborate other witnesses or to give their reaction to other witnesses. But I will say that he did an interview with us for eight hours and provided very insightful information. And that augments and certainly does not dispute Ms. Hutchinson’s testimony. So, stay tuned for this week’s hearings. We think they’ll be worth attending.”
The show trial continues.
The "show trial" has made clear the extent to which his own advisers told Trump over and over that the fraud line was "bullshit" and how he didn't care. It was the only leverage he had over the kind of stupid fucks who would believe him and show up in DC for a "wild time", coincidentally on the day the EC vote became official. I think you're one of the stupid fucks who believed him, right Jesse? Forgive me being blunt.
Also interesting the number of congress members who asked for pardons, not even counting those McCarthy tried to get on the committee.
Whatever chance that fat loser had for getting on the 2024 ticket is slowly dying with this committee, something for which McCarthy and the rest of the GOP should give Cheney a medal for saving their chances to not lose yet another Presidential vote (only won one since 1988). Democrats should be the furious ones.
No it hasn't. If that is what you believe then the left committed fraud 3 times prior. Gore had arranged a 2nd set if Florida electors prior to the USSC ruling.
But you seem to live in a world of ignorance.
You've lost your mind if you ever had one. Gore followed all rules, when the SC give away was done he sucked it up and congratulated Bush and went to the capital to oversee the EC, shooting down any attempts by stray democrats wanting to fight about it. Your fat loser leader was too big a pussy to show up at the inauguration and still can't admit he is a loser - twice over now - who Americans never wanted in Office. They did want Gore.
Here, watch this. It's what a man, patriot, and leader does. Your guy is none of those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w2oaaHRo_A
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Gore did not flow the rules. He got a local Florida court to allow selective recounts which the USSC said no to. He had filed suit on unequal treatment of voters. Which is why it went to the Supreme Court.
The stunning ignorance you display daily is amazing.
And talk about cult indoctrination. Lol. You have it bad.
And the President totally did not read the non-text instructions on his Teleprompter. We know this because official White House press releases say so.
Banning Russian athletes is a reasonable, mature policy that was unfortunately not implemented strictly enough. Putin still got his propaganda victory at Wimbledon.
Russian Tennis Federation claims Elena Rybakina as 'our product' after Wimbledon title run
She was allowed to play because of a technicality — she claims to represent Kazakhstan now. But she will forever be tainted by her association with the terrorist state that cheated Hillary Clinton out of the White House. Hopefully future athletic competitions don't let this happen again.
#StillWithHer
And a dirty pureblood won the men's final! Ugh!!!
Wait, which "her"?
Fully support our aid to Ukraine and hope someone kills Putin, but banning Russian athletes was a stupid move. I'm sure Elena had nothing to do with the invasion and deserved the win.
PS Putin had something to do with Hillary beating Trump by 3 million votes but still losing the dysfunctional EC - 2 losers elected in the last 20 years - but that was primarily on Comey, the supposed Deep State actor who had it in for Trump. If so, he should have announced the fact that Trump was also under FBI investigation at the same time he announced that about Hillary - 2 weeks from election day. Trump should be kissing his ass everyday and thanking him.
Fully support our aid to Ukraine and hope someone kills Putin
You are such an infant.
Whoa, someone has a crush on Putin.
Yeah and you want to put the Jews in death camps so I suppose that makes us even.
Yeah, especially since my wife and thus kids are Jews and anyway, she ticked me off today.
You are sick. Seek help.
"Whoa, someone has a crush on Putin."
Yup, disliking spending billions on something of very little interest to us is clearly pro-Putin.
There isn't a leftist talking point you won't push. Do you have a Ukraine flag on your facebook?
Supporting Ukraine against a land invasion is leftist? Really? Did Putin promise Don Jr a hotel in Donensk?
Not on FB.
Fully support them blindly including spending billions of dollars on them is indeed leftist.
Remember how you got enraged when overt brought up nation building and the Clinton's? Lol.
Just remember, Trump's wall cost too much money. Ukraine costing 14 times more is just something we need to do for...reasons.
"Supporting Ukraine against a land invasion is leftist? Really?"
Congo has been invaded by Rwanda. Outside of the whole skin color thing, is there a reason you give no shits about it?
Good thing the Democrats fortified the election process before 2020, right asshole?
And on the American left, death camps and firing squads have always been lurking in the foreground. So bowf sidez.
Seek help.
Seek death.
No thanks. You have serious issues it seems and I think you've come to the right place for company. Only problem is these people can't help you. They're as bent as you are.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
I'll take my far-right Latina over the measured, intelligent and centrist AOC any day of the week.
Call them what you like, centrist, far right, progressive, populist, they're all too pro Israel and not enough anti imperial to my taste.
So few words but managed to get your jew hatred in. Good work.
Jews are fine. It's zionism, colonialism and imperialism that I object to. I understand that this makes me a pariah among conservatives, liberals, and whatever else you've got.
"Call them what you like, centrist, far right, progressive, populist, they're all too pro Israel and not enough anti imperial to my taste."
Why would supporting the only republic in a region full of dictatorsahips be a bad thing?
"Why would supporting the only republic in a region full of dictatorsahips be a bad thing?"
If you are anti-colonialist, you shouldn't need to be asking me. The answer lies in Israel's apartheid policies towards the Palestinians. South Africa under apartheid was also a republic surrounded by unliberal regimes, and I didn't support it either for the same reason.
And I'll bet the Texas border country would be happy to accommodate Amazon and any other business expansion, while AOC keeps NYC safe for socialism.
So Sri Lanka's prime minister made like Justin Trudeau during their 7/9 insurrection.
Illegally seizing Sri Lankan protesters bank accounts won't be as effective.
I wonder if Justin will offer the missing Gotabaya asylum (or at least temporary housing).
Refugees!
“ As McCarthy's accusations multiplied and "became more outrageous, more galling, and more disconnected from reality,"”
The fact that communism isn’t as reviled an ideology as nazism and fascism shows how deep and insidious the communists reach was.
Also that McCarthy was actually rather accurate AND attempted to do the entire investigation in closed session since some people might well be innocent but Democrats vigorously opposed should mean something.
Good news, woman won her discrimination case which protects "gender critical views".
Bad news: The government now categorizes the belief that "sex is real" as a religious belief.
Worse news. In progressive utopia, government will assign your "sex", as well as provide your partner(s). All based on equity, intersectionality, and redress for all past wrongs.
The Chinese are clever.
Little girl is a G though
https://twitter.com/LoveAsandies/status/1546156282100568066?t=2YWo0ekTyg9wK5QqyptQVg&s=19
I tried the new TikTok challenge with my baby and I’m in stitches. How’s my baby just ready to fight someone
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https://twitter.com/BernieSpofforth/status/1546225748243005443?t=2XW9eZ8z54Hp-y4AxHWVFA&s=19
NETHERLANDS - The PM has no interest in farming, he is comfortable seizing their land to build housing.
But he didn’t bother asking the citizens. He is drunk on Covid power.
This isn’t about climate it’s about globalist socialist control.
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https://twitter.com/DaleFourTrump/status/1545787694143475713?t=NQm-wzQYV-GmBKlzsckrqw&s=19
#Panama The fourth day of strikes and demonstrations in Panama. Inflation has hit the country, and people are coming out against rising prices for fuel, food and the cost of living!
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But there was one fundamental difference: Presidents Warren G. Harding and Calvin Coolidge rejected the populism of their age. They aimed to preserve American institutions.
This ignores one fundamental difference: that American institutions today are controlled by leftists and weaponized against everyone to their right including libertarians and liberals in addition to conservatives.
In any democratic system, there will always be a tension between populism and elitism.
Some populism is necessary to keep elected leaders in check. But too much populism is mob rule, and a mob can violate people's rights just as assuredly as any tyrant can.
Some elitism is necessary because someone has to give tangible form to the broad and often vague ideas supported by the public. But too much elitism leads to tyrannical diktats.
"The people" are not always right, and "the experts" aren't always right either.
But just like the polarization of everything else in modern life, Team Red and Team Blue have taken this tension way too far. Team Blue puts way too much faith in experts and technocracy. Yes there does need to be competent professionals running things in the government, but they don't set policy themselves.
And Team Red puts way too much faith in "the people". Yes the government must be beholden to the will of the people. But that doesn't mean that your Uncle Fester's conspiracy theory is as equally valid as the opinion of an expert in the field.
I really do think there needs to be some structural reform in how the government operates on a fundamental level. Perhaps there does not need to be *as much* separation between the executive and legislative branches when it comes to the administrative state. In parliamentary systems, members of Parliament typically serve as the heads of various government agencies. In our system, the head is an executive branch cabinet secretary, and legislative oversight consists of periodic reports and hearings in Congress. These are completely ineffective however. Perhaps it's time to put, say, Senators and Representatives in direct charge of agencies that are created by law.
https://twitter.com/Rothmus/status/1546061804081668096?t=R_iySEH6LOCXXEISEmpbJQ&s=19
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https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1546303035818872835?t=OKhHZQ50p83nRJTGeVDfrw&s=19
Since Don Jr. is trending... if he or his father had even jaywalked in their lifetimes, the media would have covered it nonstop and they'd have been indicted.
But Hunter called his father pedo, lied on gun applications, openly smoked crack and negotiated with hookers... nothing.
Georgetown law professor
https://twitter.com/HeidiLiFeldman/status/1546168799820406785?t=0grxpDoxsPJo_jUr-22CDg&s=19
With an actively rogue Supreme Court, U.S. lawyers,
legal scholars, and law schools have to reckon with how to practice, teach, and understand law without falling into complicity with lawlessness. 1/
Law practice, law teaching, and legal scholarship always run the risk of being in service to the unattractive, unethical sides of law: its use for the sake of power rather than for justice, its co-optation by the wealthy, its abuse by unscrupulous government officials. 2/
But in more ordinary times, ordinary legal practice and legal education can grapple with these issues. When one branch of the federal legal system goes lawless, the problem is of a different order. 3/
In more ordinary times, we can study and teach U.S. law against a background that presidents, governors, state and federal legislators, and judges on all courts have a basic commitment and aspiration to rule of law and to justice. 4/
Ordinarily, there is strength and purpose in teaching, thinking about, and, in legal practice, arguing the failures of judges, legislators, and executives to fulfill requirements of rule of law and justice. We expect an understanding of the failures to have *traction*. 5/
With the rise of the Trump-Republican Party, this traction - the ability to argue within a shared expectation of commitment to rule of law and justice - has completely evaporated. Last term’s Supreme Court decisions are just the most recent high-profile evidence for this. 6/
During and since Trump’s time in office we saw how, time and again, he and members of his administration completely disregarded basic tenets of rule of law, eg basic due process. We saw his judicial nominees lie under oath in Congressional hearings. 7/
Throughout the country we have seen Republican legislators, officials, and judges gut the basic levers of pluralistic democracy by trimming both rights and opportunities to vote and vote meaningfully. 8/
Regardless of our areas of legal speciality any ethical study, teaching, or practice of law in the U.S. must now start from the problem of developing and implementing law when so many of legal institutions are in the grips of lawless actors. 9/
First, lawyers, legal scholars, and law schools have to point out that meekly serving lawless institutions is not actually serving law. 10/
Genuine lawyers, legal scholars, and law schools will make central - to their practice, their writing, their teaching - the project of protest against and change to institutions and actors who disingenuously hold themselves out as acting in accord with and on behalf of law. 11/
We have to show and teach that the forms and tropes of law can be used quite skillfully to mask deeply lawless judicial opinions and statutes. We have to show how commitments to individual dignity and pluralist democracy are what make law ethically and politically valuable. 12/
Responding to lawless legal institutions and legal actors from within the practice and study of law means being honest about the battle lines and who is on which side. 13/
We must remember, teach, and study the practice and thought of other lawyers who deployed law against pseudo-law: the colonial and English lawyers who argued for the America Revolution; Thurgood Marshall and Constance Baker Motley; Ruth Bader Ginsburg; also Gandhi, Fraenkel. 14/
In short, in the U.S. today practicing, studying, teaching law with integrity requires creativity, courage, and honesty. We must teach critique and protest of law that only pretends to justice, fairness, and the public welfare. 15/15
Grow up.
Prohibitionists is the correct term. They were eager to keep the 18th Amendment banning production and trade, confiscating cars, trucks, planes and ships, padlocking businesses, crashing banks and enforcing a planned economy--if it meant burning every book in America. The Crash, Depression, Hooverville slums they ignore (read the article) or wave off. But Prohibition Amerika was a religious planned economy. The Liberal Party formed in 1930 to repeal it. The Nolan Chart depicts the actors correctly.
Whatever your prior handle was, I have to assume this is a drastic change in opinion.
This one is spot on; the earlier posts got you muted.
https://twitter.com/CovfefeAnon/status/1546316400691740673?t=eIMGxh-z3z7eNNuMaPkEww&s=19
Libertarianism had some good people when the motive was "if I oppose the left from some angle they're unfamiliar with they won't attack me"
Now they've boiled off to just "if I pretend I like the results of leftism it no one will call me a coward for failing to oppose the left"
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It's not about "supporting the left" or "opposing the left", it's not about "supporting the right" or "opposing the right". It is about supporting liberty.
The left is totalitarian.
You're a totalitarian simp and pedophile, who is one of the most fundamentally dishonest characters I've ever encountered.
Drop dead.
Tying Trump to McCarthy is just so brilliant in its subtlety. That's persuasion in exquisite form, as compared to just stating flat out that you hate Trump and everyone who voted for him.
"the darker side of his movement."
Why not the lighter side? The brighter side? Any movement that would restore traditional American values, is a movement in white shining armor. Not dark.
Allegorical choices are illuminating.
"Any movement that would restore traditional American values,"
American exceptionalism, the idea that America has the duty to police the world, essentially, has long been something the elite has promoted. Populists are concerned with local issues.
Government of the people, by the people, for the people
My God! That sounds a lot like populism.
There is nothing wrong with that as long as the laws are Constitutional.
Our self appointed elites, like Reason writers sure hate that idea, they prefer a Government of the Elites, by the Elites, for the Elites.
Ha!
That makes more sense than he usually the does. Obviously his mental faculties have declined with age.
Well yeah, man, it goes w/o saying that God is gonna "get" all those baby-killers!
Also hear ye this! The "Ghost Chickens in the Sky" are gonna "get" all ye chicken-killers!!! LeRoy Troy told me so! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkdci55adqk
What Captain Obvious hasn't fingered out yet seems to be this: "We are tired of getting pushed and shoved around by The Man!", and a revolt, leads straight on to "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!"
Which calls for some relevant poetry...
All Hail Der TrumpfenFuhrer, Full of Grace
Savior of the human race!
Never mind, us all, He’ll disgrace!
Conservatards, above all, MUST save face!
In glory, a glaze of Vaseline,
Behold Stormy Daniels, our Queen!
What a scene, what a scene!
The Donald? NEVER so obscene!
Now don’t you DARE throw a fit,
It won’t matter, not even a bit,
We mustn’t ever, EVER quit,
We be saved, by The Trumptatorshit!
Gasbag Blowhard,
Please listen!
You don’t know,
What you’re missing!
Donald’s ass, don’t be kissin’!
Trump won’t love you,
He’ll push and shove you!
He’ll take your vote,
Then call you a goat!
He’ll tax your money,
Then steal your Honey!
Your pussy, He will grab,
Your back, He will stab!
His-victims-routines, He’s iterating,
Shit about YOU, He’ll be Twitterating!
https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1545898949948628994?t=VMPTuqvNFlpwGhvhXm0ARw&s=19
if only there was some explanation for the unknowable mysterious economic crisis that hit unlucky Sri Lanka like a random bolt from the blue
it's just fucking amazing watching every media outlet post about this like it was caused by some kind of natural disaster, and every clueless tankie reply like YAY the people are uprising against the capitalists
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