Ukraine Fights On as Western Allies Waver
Ukrainians aren't giving up, but some international supporters are growing pessimistic.

Ukraine's loss of Lysychansk, the last city it controlled in the Luhansk region in eastern Ukraine, doesn't seem to have dampened the country's willingness to fight the Russian invaders, though it does bolster expectations of an extended war. Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy promises to fight on, with the apparent support of his people. But Americans have turned pessimistic about the underdog's chances and western Europeans are wavering in their support as Russia retaliates against punitive sanctions with an escalating energy embargo. The situation speaks well of the Ukrainian people's resolve but may not bode well for their fate.
"If the command of our army withdraws people from certain points of the front where the enemy has the greatest fire superiority, in particular this applies to Lysychansk, it means only one thing: we will return thanks to our tactics, thanks to the increase in the supply of modern weapons," Zelenskyy vowed on July 3. "Ukraine does not give anything up."
By all accounts, Zelenskyy has the support of the vast majority of his people. A June poll of 1,005 Ukrainian adults by The Wall Street Journal-NORC found 89 percent of them rejecting the idea of achieving peace "by granting Russia control over some parts of Ukrainian territory occupied by Russia after February 24th" when the current war began. A similar 81 percent opposed ceding land occupied earlier, namely Crimea, which was seized by Russia in 2014. About 78 percent supported Zelenskyy's handling of the war.
But recent fighting has been a tougher slog for Ukraine's forces than the encouraging early days when Russian troops were turned back from Kyiv. The early shock at defenders unexpectedly destroying invading tanks and repelling invading troops has given way to the reality of a bloody slugfest with no end in sight. "Ukraine needs modern missile and air defense, and you have these systems," Zelenskyy told NATO summit attendees last week. The continuing flow of such weapons from the West keeps Ukraine in the fight. But it means significant commitments for countries that in many cases, such as that of Germany, started out with underfunded and underequipped militaries with little to spare for somebody else's defense.
That has also meant some disappointment in the West, where people removed from the fighting hoped for a quick underdog victory based on Ukraine's successes at the beginning of the conflict. In the United States, early enthusiasm has been replaced by pessimism as the war bogs down. By mid-June, more Americans believed that Russia was winning (25 percent) than gave the edge to Ukraine (19 percent), according to Economist/YouGov polling, a perception that has continued since. The fact that a majority of respondents (54 percent) fear the conflict is at least somewhat likely to lead to a wider war in Europe doesn't help.
For Europeans, supporting Ukraine means costs beyond their military budgets. Heavily dependent on Russian natural gas, much of Europe has proven highly vulnerable as the aggressor in the war retaliates against punitive economic sanctions by closing the valves on pipelines.
"Germany's natural-gas crisis, which is being caused by Russia as it takes revenge for sanctions, may get so bad that cities have to ration hot water," Fortune noted this week. "Germany's main importer of Russian gas, Uniper, is now only getting 40% of what it contractually ordered from Russia, and the stratospheric cost of substituting for those flows has pushed it into crisis."
Europeans are preparing for Russia to completely end the flow of gas as early as next week. Out of necessity, Germany has already turned to old-school coal-fired power plants despite the country's high-profile commitment to green energy.
As a result, there's waning enthusiasm in Europe for prolonged conflict in Ukraine, no matter the consequences for the people of that country. "Research shows that, while Europeans feel great solidarity with Ukraine and support sanctions against Russia, they are split about the long-term goals," the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) announced in mid-June. "They divide between a 'Peace' camp (35 per cent of people) that wants the war to end as soon as possible, and a 'Justice' camp that believes the more pressing goal is to punish Russia (22 per cent of people). In all countries, apart from Poland, the 'Peace' camp is larger than the 'Justice' camp."
"Supporters of the Peace camp want peace now even at the cost of Ukrainian concessions to Russia," ECFR added.
Fear of higher energy prices and a rising cost of living, as well of the use of nuclear weapons by Russia, were the biggest concerns cited by respondents to the poll.
Of course, "concessions" are exactly what Zelenskyy rejects when he says "Ukraine does not give anything up." They're also off the table for his people when they give a thumbs-down to "granting Russia control over some parts of Ukrainian territory." But western pessimism about the underdog's chances, and, especially, fears of a cold, dark, and expensive winter to come may undercut support for the military and economic assistance the aggrieved country needs to keep fighting invading forces. What Russia hasn't been able to win on the battlefield it may come closer to achieving by squeezing westerners already hurting from the after-effects of pandemic lockdowns and inflation fueled by government-spending sprees. No matter their spirit, Ukrainians will have difficulty continuing their defense in the absence of a continued flow of money, weapons, and ammunition.
Everybody loves a good David and Goliath story in which the little guy prevails over the big bully, and the Russo-Ukrainian War is ready made for such an interpretation. But those stories are best enjoyed in the past tense, after David wins the fight. It's a lot less pleasant to live through the battle when the outcome is uncertain and as Goliath lashes out at David's friends as well as at the underdog himself. Then, the onlookers have to worry that they might be next, and that they'll suffer some wounds of their own along the way to the conflict's ultimate conclusion.
Ukrainians give every appearance of being willing to fight on. But it's not clear that they'll permanently enjoy enough international support to continue the defense of their country through what promises to be an extended and painful war.
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I trust you know what you're talking about there, fisty.
Just send in our secret weapons...Cathy Young, Max Boot, and Jennifer Rubin..hell I'm sure Sarwark and his buddy "the Hench" would be available to deploy to Ukraine and get even with that Czar guy Putin. The Russians need good leaders like Trotsky or Lenin or Kaganovich right neocons?
You do know that there could be others for the Russian people, right?
It’s hopeless.
So apparently the recipe for success is:
1. Invade a sovereign nation
2. Endure some short-term pain as the Western powers harrumph against you
3. Wait for the opposition to splinter
4. Consolidate your conquest
5. Repeat as needed
Why does it seem like we've seen this movie before?
So we have a European power willing to push the boundaries of respectable conduct while the Western powers sit by because they are unwilling to risk direct military confrontation.
So what is the solution here?
A 2-fold solution (2-prong approach) seems to be at hand!
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I don't know what the solution is - but as long as the 'West' continues to fail to find its own values and principles that are worth defending, then it will continue to invent new values/principles that just ain't worth a shit.
New principles like drag queen story time, CRT indoctrination, and abortion on demand up to and in some cases post birth?
New principles like facilitating the victory of "Lying Lothario", in getting humans to devolve into harem-fighting and harem-lying, elephant-seal-like beasts? And the hell with reproductive success for good fathers as opposed to sperm donors? With "Binders full of women", bound up as womb-slaves? Yes! Let us ALL be "compassionate" with the wombs of OTHER people!!!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/#_Toc107315509
None of those were the reason Russia invaded. But yeah the West has an almost impossible time deciding what's necessary v what someone just wants. Which helped create Germany's foreign policy delusions re Russia
You could see it in Afghanistan too. We spent a couple of decades failing to distinguish between what Afghans would fight to defend and what different groups of Westerners merely wanted. The result was an expensive useless nothing. The same Taliban is in charge again. There is not even a liberal-values-insurgency. Where did all the purple finger waving go?
This has been the recipe for success since the beginning of time: Might makes right.
So what is the solution here?
We can see the childishness of technocrats who believe there must always be a "solution".
"...technocrats who believe there must always be a 'solution'."
That is a very fundamental problem that leads to no end of mission creep and waste, never mind bureaucratic expansion and regulatory miasma.
I fucking hate optimists, utopians, and anyone who says "if we can put a man on the moon..."
My brother in law once told me he supported a "Manhattan Project" for fusion energy. They apparently believe government can do literally anything, it's just a question of whether enough resources are committed. This is why their response to any failure is simply "MOAR!".
Chemjeff,
The first solution is to understand the incentives at play here, and to start expecting the US to be either out of the mix or to act in the interests of Ukraine, not their geopolitical end goals.
Right now, these are the incentives as I see them:
1) Russia wants a "sphere of influence" over its border countries- the notion that even in independent countries, Russian (not western) foreign policy interests are the primary drivers of policy.
2) Ukraine doesn't want anyone dictating their foreign policy, and wants to give up as little of their soil as possible.
3) Western Europe doesn't want independent countries next door carved up by dictators, but also wants stable energy supplies. The priority of these goals changes the closer you are to Russia- with Poland being far more interested in the former, while Germany is more interested in the latter.
4) While he US and UK don't like independent countries carved up by dictators, their main concerns are getting Putin's influence on the international stage decreased, and distracting from political problems at home.
At the beginning of the war, interests of Ukraine, Europe and US/UK aligned. Making this war costly for Putin not only kept Ukraine in tact but also furthered the US/UK ends of diminishing Putin's international standing. But now, Ukraine is learning the cost of incentive misalignment.
As early as March, Ukraine and Russia were about to come to a deal that satisfied both interests. Russia would get it's sphere of influence with buffer states in Donbas and Crimea, while Ukraine promised not to join NATO. In return, Russia would allow Ukraine to remain under its own leadership, with (CRUCIAL) acceptance if Ukraine wanted to join the EU for economic prosperity.
https://archive.ph/ViFrr
This is where interests diverged. This would have allowed Putin back onto the world stage, which the US/UK did not want. It is actually preferable for Ukraine to be a battleground, and Russia a pariah, than for Russia to be at peace and begin operating as a regular player again. At the beginning of April, Boris Johnson and the EU PM visited Ukraine in "Shows of Solidarity" where they promised more modern weapons for Ukraine to keep fighting. And since that time, no further progress in peace talks has occurred.
The problem for Ukraine is that as the war goes on, it increasingly appears that their leverage for THEIR interests is lost. Russia is getting their buffer states. As long as there is no peace settlement, Ukraine cannot join NATO and remains as unaligned as they can get. Western Europe will increasingly prioritize energy security as we get closer to winter.
And yet the US/UK has no need for peace. We can keep shoveling weapons into Ukraine with impunity. As long as Russia is fighting, we can keep Putin's hands tied on the world stage. The last thing we want is for a negotiated peace. We want Ukraine to be Putin's Afghanistan, and we will continue to enable Zemensky to pursue that option.
So if you want to fix this problem, the best bet is disengagement from the US. I don't think what Putin is doing is right or moral, but I also don't think the US is helping things. Our cynical interests require Ukrainians and Russians to die by the thousands, and a country with a decent moral compass in our position would be ashamed of that.
Good answer. The idea that we are doing this for the sake of Ukrainians is bullshit. Seems to me that the Ukrainian people would be objectively better off if the war had ended quickly, let the parts of the country that want to be Russia be Russia. And if they do manage to beat off Russia, they will still be an economically depressed and corrupt country but they will also have much of their infrastructure destroyed.
^
Gotta love how the sovereignty and right to self determination for the people of Crimea, Luhansk, and Donetsk don't even make the list...
Yeah, this idea that the borders imposed by the USSR are some sacred thing to be preserved at all costs is rather ridiculous.
That 'sphere of influence ' is not about restrictions on foreign policy. It is about restrictions on all aspects of self governance. And in Ukraine's case, self-identity.
And? How does that change the calculation of interests here?
No one said that Russia is moral here. But this is their interest. And understanding it isn't condoning it.
And you can moralize all you want about how evil Russia is for meddling in the lives of Ukrainians on their doorstep. That makes the US about 10x worse for meddling with people on the other side of the country and also sinking peace talks between the two nations.
* other side of the world, not country.
Im not talking about the morality of this. Im saying that Ukrainians - who identify as Ukrainian - are facing an existential threat. And since Putin is identifying those Ukrainians as Nazis, its pretty clear that true genocide is the acceptable outcome for Russia. Ukrainians know this. And Poles, Baltics, Finland, Moldova, Romania, the northern Stans, and Caucusus know who's next.
There is no possible 'agreement' for peace. Maybe a possible ceasefire based on lies - but Ukraine would be the victim there and they know it.
"And since Putin is identifying those Ukrainians as Nazis, its pretty clear that true genocide is the acceptable outcome for Russia"
The idea that Russia is not going to negotiate with them and is only interested in genocide is laughable hyperbole. Because Russia *was* negotiating. Right up until Johnson and Biden told Zemensky to stop negotiating, or they get no more weapons.
Whatever your 'source' of information is - it's useless
You getting your info straight from the State Department?
Or filtered through outlets like CNN, WaPo, NYT, the Atlantic, etc
There has been an acceptable path to peace that hasn't changed for 8 years, and it is Kiev who has always rejected.
The nazis in Ukraine aren't exact secretive about their identities, and nobody considers all Ukrainians nazis.
Your claims of impending genocide are hysterical fantasy, of a kind with your neurotic fears of covid.
You have no information on this conflict that you haven't received from proven liars pushing an agenda through intense, irrational propaganda.
You are free to enlist in the Kaganovich battalion. Do you really thing Russian Tanks will be crossing the Oder or even be landing on Far Rockaway Long Island if we don't fight them in Ukraine? Seriously dude...this is no concern for the US...stay out.
Perhaps there’s a lesson to be learned from Germany’s energy situation:
The US needs to be more energy independent from other countries. More nuclear, more drilling, along with the integration of renewables that’s already full speed ahead. Obama played lip service to this at one point, referring to it the “all of the above” approach.
Unless someone can argue that what’s happening to Germany can’t happen to us.
The Dutch are already planning on eating tulip bulbs and burning their shoes for heat this winter. Just another example of Putin's Price Hike!
The Dutch people seem to have more balls than Americans these days
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/dutch-farmers-block-food-distribution-centers-bust-undercover-cops-during-protest
now thats a real weapon of war how dare they. I guess we do need to follow their lead with tracked weapons of war. the left should freak but they will be silent.
I said yesterday i'm sure teh corporate farms are getting all the nitrogen they need. California is not far behind by shutting down water to farmers
i'm sure teh corporate farms are getting all the nitrogen they need
Of course. Dekulakization can proceed.
But the farmers don't hav F16s and Abram Tanks
What is happening here, we need to remember, is intentional. Biden RAN on doing all of this to our energy sector.
But Reason thought rudeness was a much bigger problem, so here ya go.
Correct
The left and Dems plan to weaken America and Western Europe has worked. Now that we see the consequences they bluster to reinforce their brand as anti-Russia while praying people forget their role in empowering Russia and creating the conditions for a Russian victory.
Vladimir Putin should not have invaded the Ukraine. He was wrong to do so and nobody is really casting doubt on that.
That said, only a moron would think the Ukrainians, the U.S., and our allies didn't provoke the Russians. After the Russians told us in explicit terms that they wouldn't be okay with our bringing the Ukraine or Georgia into Western orbit, we proceeded to ignore that warning, launching a thinly veiled coup d'etat in 2014, as we have with the rest of the Russian "near abroad" with our various "Color Revolutions". Even a cursory review of them makes eminently clear that they were sponsored by NGOs backed by the U.S. and our allies, what used to be called CIA front organizations.
And the Russians responded by sponsoring the Russians in the Eastern Ukraine, who were hardly the recipients of libertarian tolerance from Kiev. That was supposed to be settled by the Minsk Accords, which Kiev was effectively repudiating, claiming that they were signed under duress (as if any agreement ending a war isn't signed that way). Still, the Russians had been shopping peaceful resolutions to the matter for years. Only to be rebuffed by Kiev and the West.
All of this you can find by spending a couple of hours on Google.
Now, an ostensibly libertarian magazine is decrying the fact that we're insufficiently committed to expending American blood and treasure to further confront Russia, over a matter where there's no discernable U.S. interest at stake. That's after we sent their adversaries over $50 billion that we don't have. It's a position indistinguishable from that of the military-industrial complex.
Congratulations, guys, you've become national security establishment mouthpieces.
You know what else you can find on Google? The Budapest Memorandum, where the US, Russia and the UK agreed to respect Ukrainian sovereignty and current borders (at the time) in return for Ukraine giving up the Soviet nuclear weapons on their territory.
The Budapest Memorandum was agreed to on behalf of the government that we toppled with a coup d'etat. I'd say that pretty much invalidated the agreement, wouldn't you?
Also, the Left is not going to like how we have utterly destroyed the concept of disarmament. Why would ANY country ever do that? We've seen what happens in Libya and now Ukraine when it occurs.
Libya killed disarmament.
Ukraine has no effect.
Doesn't help that the media constantly misrepresents what the Budapest memorandum was though.
"The Budapest Memorandum was agreed to on behalf of the government that we toppled with a coup d'etat."
What, with mind-control tech from the Lizard People, who told Ukrainians how to vote? And how to have uprisings?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity ... Is Wikipedia now also controlled by the Lizard People, perhaps?
From your link:
On 21 February, an agreement between President Yanukovych and the leaders of the parliamentary opposition was signed that called for the formation of an interim unity government, constitutional reforms and early elections. The following day, police withdrew from central Kyiv, which came under effective control of the protesters. Yanukovych fled the city. That day, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office
So, the "vote" was a mob occupied the city and the parliament voted to formalize the mob's position.
"Mobs" also took over the USA during the American Revolution, according to the Brits and Loyalists of the day. But... The will of the people prevailed, which was a GOOD thing!
Look at the stats about surveys of the residents of Ukraine today, in the article above... In light of those stats, do your REALLY think that it is the will of the people of Ukraine, that they should become a vassal state for Russia? Also, how many votes have Ukrainians had between 2014 and now, in which they could have voted Russian puppets back into power?
So if the pro American president of Mexico is overthrown with help from Russian NGO's and Russia itself how would we react?
It's a memo, not a mutual defense pact.
True! However, this memo (along with Russia's constant recent denials that it was planning an invasion) DOES show that the words (promises) of the Russians can NOT be safely trusted at ALL! Trust them at your own peril!
Absolutely. They violated the agreement. But some people seem to think that the Budapest memo obliges the US to do something about it.
This is like saying a man provoked a woman's stalker into beating her by chatting her up. The stalker has no rights, and no expectations, and the actions he was "provoked" into are not a legitimate way to handle the situation, even if he did have such rights.
This is a distraction. The issue is not whether Russia has "rights", whatever this might mean. The issue is what could we have done differently resulting in there not being a war. Locking your doors is a good idea even though not locking your doors does not give someone the "right" to steal your stuff.
Our leaders specifically claim to understand foreign policy at a deep level. I expect this to mean not instigating major wars. But instead those leaders are constantly revealed as juvenile charlatans playing at diplomacy.
"Our leaders specifically claim to understand foreign policy at a deep level."
Freely allowing thugs (persons or nations) to get their way with blatant force and violence is NOT a good policy! Appeasement at Munich should have taught us that, and NO deep understanding is required! Just go talk to some victims of schoolyard bullies, and that should be enough! Evil thugs understand NO language other than counter-force! You want to nip the thugs in the bud, or deal with them later at a MUCH higher price?
I am sure that is exactly the calculous Putin was using. He had negotiated with NATO that they would not bring additional countries into the compact. And then they did so. Over. and Over. And then they discussed doing the same again with Ukraine.
I am just not sure why you are trying to justify Putin's actions.
I am just not sure why you are trying to justify Putin's actions.
It's impossible to reach this conclusion logically.
Locking your doors is a good idea even though not locking your doors does not give someone the "right" to steal your stuff.
"He had negotiated with NATO that they would not bring additional countries into the compact."
Would it surprise you to learn that, along with Putin breaking his promises, he also LIES?
https://today.law.harvard.edu/there-was-no-promise-not-to-enlarge-nato/
‘There was no promise not to enlarge NATO’
Robert Zoellick, the U.S. diplomat who helped negotiate the end of the Cold War, says Vladimir Putin’s claims about Ukraine are part of a disinformation campaign
Yeah, about that...
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2014/11/06/did-nato-promise-not-to-enlarge-gorbachev-says-no/
Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says “No”
The source documents are linked at my link. You can take SQRSLY's claims or judge them for yourself.
https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/1577192/lrt-facts-has-nato-ever-promised-russia-not-to-expand-east
“This is a myth. To start with, there is no promise in any formal treaty document that the NATO countries made to the Soviet Union or Russia,” said Tomas Janeliūnas, a political science professor at Vilnius University (VU).
According to him, if there was a formal agreement, Putin and other Russian politicians would be able to refer to it directly when talking about NATO expansion.
In the words of Andrius Prochorenko, researcher at Eastern Europe Studies Centre (EESC), arguments invoking alleged agreement with NATO were made up by Putin, as his predecessor Boris Yeltsin never said anything like that.
SQRLSY comment: Promises verbally uttered by drunken diplomats at parties don't count as much as formal written and agreed-to documents. Putin and his lackeys need to point to the documents... Which don't exist!
"Would it surprise you to learn that, along with Putin breaking his promises, he also LIES?"
Perhaps (though people reviewing primary sources on both sides seem to disagree), but as near as I can tell, it doesn't matter. NATO continues to insist that it isn't antagonistic towards Russia while continuing to sign military pacts with neighbors closer and closer to Russia. So I don't understand why you are so hell bent on defending Putin with some silly argument that "Appeasement must be stopped". Because your argument applies just as much to him as Europe.
And just in case I am being unclear here: I am critiquing the "Muh Appeasement!" argument. Taken logically, it justifies pretty much every military engagement post WWII.
Putin is asshole. Everyone knows that. It is not America's job to fix that- especially when the US has demonstrated it is more interested in punishing Putin than actually achieving a level of peace that will save Ukrainian lives.
"NATO continues to insist that it isn't antagonistic towards Russia while continuing to sign military pacts with neighbors closer and closer to Russia."
No one ever got hurt by signatures on documents... They get hurt by the use of military force, among other things. So there is no "moral equivalency" here between Russia and NATO. "Sticks and stones..." and all that!
"No one ever got hurt by signatures on documents..."
No one ever said otherwise. It is abiding by the signatures on those documents that tends to hurt. Ask Mr Assange, or Austria-Hungary.
"So there is no "moral equivalency" here between Russia and NATO."
I am not making a moral equivalency. The last I checked, the argument against appeasement is a PRAGMATIC argument, not a moral one. So there is no morality to equivocate, here. Pragmatically, it may be less costly to stop Russia in Ukraine than in some imagined future where Russia is at the German border. And pragmatically, the same applies to Russia. It less costly to stop NATO from acquiring Ukraine, than to wait until the EU has annexed all of Eastern Europe.
And make no mistake: if one is advancing the "Appeasement" argument, they are arguing that pragmatism trumps morals. This pragmatism means using the people of Ukraine as cannon fodder in order to save the people of Germany (or Poland, or Lithuania, or whatever) from having to defend themselves some time in an imagined future. It means taking money from American Tax Payers and using it to send weapons of war to Ukraine- Weapons that will be used to kill Russians, yes, but also many Ukrainians in Donbas who actually don't want to be part of Ukraine.
If the US were a private arms dealer, they would be a textbook villain here- creating chaos in Ukraine in order to sell weapons. But since we are instead giving the weapons away and using it to bloody a geopolitical rival on the other side of the planet, it is supposed to be ok? Because Appeasement? Please.
Are you the resident neocon or Ukrainain or some pro Ukraine lobby group? Hunter?
Seriously dude..Ike didn't do anything then Kruschev sent the tanks into Hungary, Johnson didn't do anything in Czech (probably the only good thing that SOB ever did in office), Reagan nothing in Poland in 80. Again why is Russia so scary to you and why is a regional war our concern? No I'm not a Putin puppet..I was against spending billions (Bill Clinton in the 90's) to elect that moron Yeltsin who was the guy who brought Putin into power.
Mein Fuhrer, Schweinerchenko didn't counter attack in the Donbas.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/how-media-used-russiagate-conspiracy-theories-create-news-cartel
Facebook and the media had created a cartel in which media sites created paywalls to raise the value of their content and gain better deals with the social media monopoly. Zuckerberg's company offered its biggest media critics big checks in exchange for exclusive deals. Both sides claimed that they were "fighting misinformation" with what was really a shakedown and a cartel.
Now that the deal between Big Tech and Big Media is set to lapse, there's panic in the presses.
In 2020, Zuckerberg had cut out the media middleman by influencing the election directly through the hundreds of millions in "Zuckerbucks" that were handed out to local election offices in primarily Democrat areas, effectively "privatizing" a national presidential election.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-mexico-border-worlds-deadliest-land-crossing-un-study
Passing yet MORE laws against being illegal sub-humans will be SURE to fix it REALLY SOON now!
Ukraine did better than expected against the Russian military, but does not have the capacity to decisively win the war, especially now that the Russians seem to have limited their immediate objectives. The expectation that Ukraine could win easy was not realistic. A Ukrainian victory was likely going to be eroding the Russian will to absorb casualties than outright destruction of their ability to wage war, especially since a large component of the Russian regime's motivation for this conflict is maintaining their perceived honor as a great power. Unfortunately, the West is led a bunch of nincompoops.
The incoherence and craziness of the Internet's thoughts on Russia's invasion of Ukraine rivals only the incoherence and craziness of its thoughts on the Dobbs ruling.
Here are the facts:
* Zelenskyy is the popularly elected president of Ukraine and the Ukrainian citizenry are foursquare behind him in defending their country--all of it--against Putin's army.
* Putin is on record with the goal of reassembling the Tsars' empire, which notionally includes Finland, the Baltics, Poland, Ukraine, Georgia and others. Zero of those countries have any popular desire to be back under Moscow. Even Belarus doesn't want to join Putin's war.
* The Russian military in Ukraine has conducted itself atrociously, committing mass murders of civilians, deporting populations to Russia, banning the native language and kicking locals out of their houses to be replaced with imported Russian colonists. This is 18th-century behavior and comports with Putin's stated aims.
The analysis from these facts is that Putin intends to conquer large swathes of Europe and reestablish something like the USSR. As laughable as that sounds to people who know the macro situation, he absolutely believes in that goal, and that makes him a real threat. This is an absolute no-brainer, a do-over of 1936 with the chance to stop the current Hitler analogue at the Sudetenland instead of on Omaha Beach. And for the relatively cheap price of supplying advanced weapons to Ukraine's large, well trained and highly motivated military, without any western soldier having to fire a single round. Ukraine is willing and able to fight--Putin saw to that.
JohnTheRevelator NAILS it!!! Kudos!
oMG! Putin is literally Hitler!
I was told Trump was Hitler.
Seems to be a lot of Hitler's out there.
Maybe there was something to Boys from Brazil.
Agree with your analysis. But this is going to be a multi round war. Putin's goals aren't just Putin. They are broadly held in Moscow so even a Russian coup against Putin doesn't end this
Which changes the dynamics a bit. Shorter term, I have no real problem with the US supplying the weapons/Intel needed to support Ukraine without getting all nuclear/NATO. But the US has to shut up with the rhetoric of hubris and arrogance. Speak not at all and send the big sticks
Long-term this is Europe's fight and we have to focus as much (or more) in making sure Europe can't continue to stick it's head up it's ass. esp Germany's habits of dithering and France's habits of playing intermediary.
John's got the State Department talking points down pat.
Laughable to anybody who's paid attention to anything beyond State/CIA press releases, but enthusiastic nonetheless.
I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you
sure buddy..with a GDP of Spain, Russian tanks will be crossing the Oder River taking Berlin and on their way to the Channel if we don't stop him in Ukraine...seriously..that is idiotic and as bad as Bush and his neocon troytskites saying Bin Ladin bombed us because he hate our freedom (and McDonalds).
World superpower invades country, quagmire ensues.
Never heard of it.
>>some international supporters are growing pessimistic
the car dealerships on 183 in Irving have taken down their enormous Ukraine flags
It's time to start mask signaling again.
The lesson for every country is to GET nuclear weapons and DO NOT agree to give them up lest you be left holding your dick in the wind. The fact the world is allowing Russia to do this with no military intervention is appalling. What is the point of alliances and treaties...
Conceding anything gives the green light for this to happen again and again. Do we want one cold winter or a whole future of them?
So what is the alternative?
I doubt Germany has any interest in military adventurism in west Europe. If anything they will turn their neighbors into debt slaves. They were pretty well on their way with that regarding Greece.
Hmmmm that is a possibility. But what if we have a national divorce and Free States band together most likely to seek out alliances with foes of the Woke States? Western dominance is over for sure but where does the US go? Europe is honestly gone via demographics..and weak men. The battle for liberty isn't in Ukraine but in the US between the bolshies and Liberty loving Americans...
"Nuts!"
More open borders and drag dance parties at the local library.
Yeah, sometimes there is not an option. We could conquer and rule all of Europe and resolve a lot of issues, but that is not a good option for us.
No we couldn't.
Maybe 30 years ago we could've, but not anymore.
Europe is not exactly tougher now than 30 yrs ago, either.
True, but it's not the euro militaries that would be a problem
The Russian military can barely handle Ukraine. Unless the goal is basically a nuclear war.
LOL
Keep believing that, jfree.
Hey if you're not too scared of covid, you should go over there and kick some ass yourself!
Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are both less than 30 miles from the Luhansk separatist frontier. Mariupol less than 25 miles from the Donetsk separatist frontier. In 4.5 months of war, that's about 2 miles per week. Not much of a blitzkrieg is it.
Blitzkrieg is western style of war.
Russian doctrine grinds.
While I don't give the Russian Military high marks..you do get lucky and they have long memories..the billions of military hardware we poured into Ukraine has killed thousands of Russian Troops...they won't forget that. It is a new cold war and with China and India and the non aligned countries on Putin's side and we have woke Europe and a very divided America under cultural marxist siege..it isn't looking good for the hyper power American Empire is it? Maybe stopping all this foreign cops and robbers and eradicating the communists as home should be our objective.
"Nuts!"
Cathy Young is on her way...after her triumph over Scott Horton at Porcfest.