America's Involvement in Ukraine Increasingly Looks Like War
Joe Biden announced an additional $800 million in weapons aid for Ukraine following last week's news that CIA personnel are directing intelligence in Kyiv.

President Joe Biden announced yesterday that the United States would send another $800 million in weapons aid to Ukraine, adding to the multibillion-dollar raft of assistance already sent to the country as it beats back the Russian invasion. The conflict recently entered its fourth month, and though U.S. government officials have been steadfast in asserting that America "will not be directly engaged" in the fight, that claim stands on shaky ground.
Last week, The New York Times cast a light on just how deeply entrenched the U.S. has become in the conflict in Ukraine, describing "a stealthy network of commandos and spies rushing to provide weapons, intelligence and training." Though the Biden administration has repeatedly stressed that it won't deploy American troops to Ukraine, the Times reports that "some C.I.A. personnel have continued to operate in the country secretly, mostly in the capital, Kyiv, directing much of the vast amounts of intelligence the United States is sharing with Ukrainian forces."
Much of what the Biden administration has done to help Ukraine has fallen short of formal involvement in the war, but just barely. American soldiers won't enter the fight, but American spies will. American officials have warned of the escalatory effects of enforcing a no-fly zone over Ukrainian territory, but American weapons are being funneled to Ukraine with regularity. The U.S. hasn't officially declared war against Russia, but it's helped kill Russian generals and sink the flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet.
These moves have largely been unilateral, secretive, or both, leaving Americans unaware of just how implicated the U.S. is in the conflict. Government officials themselves lack insight into the effects of American assistance, telling The Wall Street Journal that they have "little direct knowledge" of where equipment goes once it reaches the Ukrainian government. And lawmakers have helped enable this lack of transparency by rubber-stamping massive aid packages, eschewing discussions of financial oversight, and failing to effectively challenge the president on the aims of American assistance.
As Biden announced the latest aid package, he swore that the U.S. would "support Ukraine as long as it takes." It might be a noble statement, but for a president who has rallied against "forever wars," it neglects several key realities. American involvement could very well become protracted if leaders don't establish a clear off-ramp. The sunk-cost fallacy being what it is, politicians may find ways to maintain involvement in the future as a way to justify the hefty financial investments they've already made in the fight. This approach runs the risk of simply helping the war lumber on rather than incentivizing the involved parties to engage in peace talks.
"At the very least, what the United States is doing in Ukraine is not not war," Bonnie Kristian, a fellow at Defense Priorities, wrote in The New York Times. "If we have so far avoided calling it war and can continue to do so, maybe that's only because we've become so uncertain of the meaning of the word."
Kristian correctly points out that "the line between what is war and what is not war has perilously blurred," as technological advances and executive war making have made it easier for presidents "to commit what might otherwise be seen as acts of war." Sporadic drone strikes against terror groups throughout the Middle East, "training" missions in hostile nations that go unauthorized by Congress, weapons and logistical support to Saudi Arabia as it wages a devastating war in Yemen—government officials often paint these as acts short of war, which distorts our understanding of the gravity of conflict.
At some point, Russia may come to view the U.S. as a co-belligerent. American politicians can't be certain of what Russian President Vladimir Putin sees as the uncrossable line. That's why it's so critical for lawmakers and their constituents to know the particulars of U.S. involvement in Ukraine and debate them robustly. Otherwise, America will trend ever closer toward war—even if politicians hesitate to call it that.
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American assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt were recorded in 2014 planning the coup to oust the democratically elected president.
“Pundits skeptical of or even hostile to Ukraine’s cause in its defensive war against Russia have different reasons, or rationalizations, for their views and hail from different points on the political spectrum. But there is one belief that unites nearly all of them: the conviction that Ukraine is not a democracy fighting for its survival but an American “Deep State” project, with a regime installed by a 2014 coup that was led by Ukrainian far-right extremists and backed or even engineered by the U.S. State Department. The corollary of this view is the belief that the pro-Kremlin enclaves in Eastern Ukraine, the “people’s republics” of Donetsk and Luhansk—whose defense was the stated purpose of the Russian invasion—are genuine expressions of the will of the local populace which rejects the pro-Western, anti-Moscow regime in Kyiv.”
http://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/
Suffice to say there are other views our resident Nazi shit might not know about:
"...Ukraine conducted its presidential election in accordance with democratic standards, reflected in the assessments of credible international observers. It did so despite clear Russian interference in Ukraine’s election, though the interference was not extensive enough to affect the election’s outcome or the actual voting process.
While the interference did not live up to worst fears, numerous examples of it can be found in the kinetic, disinformation, and cyber realms over a period of months. Russia’s war with Ukraine and its occupation of parts of Ukraine’s territory constitute the most blatant interference, including the disenfranchisement of some 16 percent of the electorate living in Crimea and areas around Donetsk and Luhansk..."
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/in-depth-research-reports/report/foreign-interference-in-ukraine-s-election/
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From your “credible observers” website.
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Fuck Joe Biden
Gotta keep the Ukrainian blood flowing if you want to drown Russians in it.
the current administration is dangerously close to getting us into WWIII with another nuclear armed opponent - I wouldn't say that's very grown up!
Maybe we can send a couple of destroyers to cruise a few miles offshore.
Can't do it. Treaties restrict warship tonnage on the Black Sea for states that don't border it.
(More accurately, we usually have a listening ship escorted by a destroyer in the Black Sea. More than that will overshoot the tonnage restriction.)
That must be so they can limit the free movement of people and mechanical contraptions getting too close to their social constructs.
"When I say PROXY, you say WAR. PROXY..."
Couple more billion bucks should do the trick, right?
Might need to be impeached over this.
Ditto the Sec of Defense.
Perhaps waive the filibuster just this once, and change the Senate votes necessary to remove a president to 51.
Those whole administration must be removed.
Supply chain problems have held up my purchase of Biden-B-Gon.
And for all the good it's done. Russia has about wrapped up total control of Eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainian army is sorely pressed and grows more pressured each day. Russian economy is doing well, the Ruble is up, gas and oil sales are only slightly down. Yes, Russia struggled and continues to struggle, but they have the manpower, whereas Ukraine is struggling to replace combat casualties. We spent billions of taxpayer dollars and the best we can hope for now is a settled peace.
The one bright spot is Russia will have to lick her wounds for awhile, possibly curbing future aggression in Eastern Europe for awhile.
the analysis I'm listening to literally right now is pointing out that because of the double-backfire retard sanctions, that Russia is now awash in so much cash the biggest problem they have is spending the money effectively to get their infrastructure online to "complete their divorce" from Europe. They are problems, but they are what some would describe as "good problems".
That's an interesting - if nonsensical - narrative. Yes, exports paid for by rubles are providing plenty of revenue for the government because all those exports are basically state-owned commodities. That will take time to change because Europe chose to be completely dependent on Russia for energy. But nothing unexpected with that.
What seems to be unexpected by your guru is the return of - soviet economics. The Central Bank wanted Russians to hang onto rubles so they raised interest rates to 20%. That will kill the private sector economy for a long time. Imports of good stuff are virtually non-existent now. Of consumer goods - but far more important intermediate goods used in production. That does have the shorter term effect of eliminating demand to exchange rubles for foreign currency (which with interest rates is why ruble is rising). The imported production goods (along with rising ruble) however is what will grind the Russian economy to a halt. If a Russian armaments company (a big exporter and obviously very high demand too during a war) needs German machine tools there is no substitute to be made with Indian lawn clippers or Iranian pistachios. That is not a 'good problem' to have even if it is exactly what is meant by 'too many rubles and not enough ways to spend it effectively'.
Whether sanctions are a wise policy or not - they are not an immediate impact thang. They are more like a fuze in a cartoon.
Imports from India, Vietnam and China are not at a standstill (which also happens to be some of the largest importers to the US as well), they have a steady supply of consumer goods, you seem to be unaware of the situation.
Yes, we know this. What you don't seem to understand is how exports and imports are bought and sold. With Russia no longer being able to use Swift, they have Rubles parked in Nostro/Vostro accounts (liquidity pools) around the globe. With fiat controls (i.e. sanctions) in place, those liquidity pools are going to dry up in a blink of an eye. Then what happens? That is your homework for this weekend.
Have India, China and Vietnam been affected by the sanctions? If not, then you're blabbering misinformation.
I'm blabbering misinformation that Russia no longer has access to Swift and has limited amount of rubles in Nostro/Vostro accounts? Ok, buddy. Ok. Time to take your meds and I'll wheel you into your room to watch Lawrence Welk that comes on 8 p.m.
You're babbling misinformation thinking that the Russian economy will collapse with those sanctions, when at most they've only hurt them temporarily and is now recovering as the Ruble increases in value.
How much more money is the U.S. is going to be unnecessarily spent on the war? May as well send troops if they're so inclined to help Ukraine and thus put a probable quicker end to the conflict, because so far all we've done is prolong the conflict.
When Country A needs to buy a commodity from Country B, what medium of exchange do they use?
The medium of exchange that the exporting government is willing to take. Fuck, China, India and Vietnam have all set up exchange systems for the Ruble. They made taking the Ruble east in their countries.
SWIFT was not created until the 1970s, before that countries and businesses dealt without it. For our entire history, outside of specie, currency was only valuable if the receiver valued it. Since India, et al, have created their own currency exchange, Russia being kicked out of SWIFT only is meaningful to those countries that are trying to embargo Russia. Countries which are defying the embargo, swift membership is not worth shit. You really don't understand currency exchange.
China and Vietnam and India have set up exchange systems for their currency and the Ruble. Maybe you need to do your homework.
Excluding Vietnam from this equation, there's no demand for China or India to buy Rubles, and especially to just hold on to it for no reason. If they bought Rubles and held them, they would lose money because their is no demand for it.
Again, you are not looking at the full equation. They are buying gas, oil, fighters etc from Russia, which they are paying for in part with the Rubles they take in. Russia isn't shipping rubles to China and India and that's the end of it. There is a two way exchange going on. And it's actually increased. That's why the value of the Ruble went up. Fuck, you are shortsighted. And don't understand foreign trade, obviously.
Jesus fucking Christ you're stupid. No shit an exchange is happening. How do you think that exchange happens? They aren't bartering you dumbass. They need fiat, a medium of exchange. Do you not know anything about Swift, payment rails and Nostro/Vostro accounts? You not knowing what these terms are shows you no fuck all.
Fuck you are so focused on Swift you miss the entire fucking point dipshit. You obviously are to stupid to have a fucking debate. All you care about is a forty year old institution that is voluntary and means shit in the real world. Oh swift. Fuck you are stupid. You missed the entire fucking point. The Ruble is stronger. They have plenty of trade. Yet you are the idiot arguing swift. Which means Jack shit.
Before you tell other people to do their homework, it may behoove you to actually understand the subject you're trying to lecture others on.
Whether sanctions are a wise policy or not - they are not an immediate impact thang. They are more like a fuze in a cartoon.
A fuse lit by Wyle-e-Coyote. Guess what character Europe is.
Or... they could get addicted to it.
Emboldened by the US's and EU's lack of any response with real teeth, and/or their own ability to recovery to those responses, could pave the way to further aggression.
Then there are also various theories regarding war-time economies. As the conflict continues to drag on longer and longer and more and more of the Russian economy is dedicated to funding the war machine, "war" becomes an economic means to continue to support the economy and avoid depression. This also favors continuing to find countries to invade.
Russia had specific and rational concerns in Ukraine: control or destruction of the fossil fuel reserves, ice-free ports, color revolutions, and preventing NATO from establishing a beachhead on their borders. The conflict was entirely preventable if NATO and the West had taken those goals into account over the past two decades.
Whether Russia will "aggress" in Eastern Europe depends again on their rational concerns and what the West does. If Finland and Sweden are admitted to NATO, it is likely that Russia will respond and the situation will escalate.
That seems to be the plan. Finland and Sweden with NATO weapons will absolutely provoke a response from Russia. Maybe not immediate aggression but hostilities that will make the old cold war look like a garden party. Biden wants this war to last as long as possible and he doesn't give a shit how many lives and how much treasure it costs. The problem is that Russia will win this war, something that has always been obvious to anyone who actually had even the most elementary knowledge of the situation. Meanwhile Russia and the rest of the world are in the process of creating a competing monetary system as an alternative to the USD. When that happens, and it will, NATO will become irrelevant. The neocons are fully in charge and they are batshit crazy.
Ukraine has literally nothing to fight for.
They cannot achieve anything better than they could get today.
I'd like to ask the hawks here: what does Ukraine victory look like?
Because what they're fighting for now is the pipe dream of reconquering the Donbass and Crimea, who really do not want to be part of Ukraine again.
Crimea voted overwhelmingly to secede then annexation into Russia. A supermajority in LPR and DPR voted for independence, and have asked to be annexed by Russia (though Russia has so far refused).
So what does Ukrainian victory look like, and how will they possibly achieve it?
You have no clue what Russia's goal is do you? Or more likely you do but you're a tool. Putin has for decades pushed his fake mythology that Ukraine is a fake nation. That Ukrainian identity is by definition Nazism because they are actually Russian. Ignore his revanchist notion that restoring the Soviet Union is merely restoring the Russian Empire where Ukraine itself is merely the first step.
This has nothing to do with being hawkish re our involvement. I'm not. But it is very obvious why the Ukrainians are fighting. And they are fighting for their existence as a self governing people.
When top Ukrainian military leaders are on TV, literally saying that all their best soldiers have either been killed, taken prisoner or are wounded...
Zelensky is a criminal
If you mean he's a criminal because he's sent thousands of soldiers into an unwinnable meat grinder, I might partially agree. But really, he's being goaded on by Western leaders that he'll get support so long as he continues to fight the Russians down to the last Ukrainian. We in the west are culpable for this, too.
Definitely.
These are the most evil people who have ever existed, and I say that fully conscious of the 20th century's monsters.
They really are.
Don't forget the part where he illegally freed criminals and placed military ordinance in their hands. I would expect that might have negative repercussions.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-releases-prisoners-combat-experience-war-russia-volodymyr-zelensky-1683175
Don't blame the puppet, blame the ones with their hands up his ass.
I guess Putin’s checks are still clearing.
^battle cry of the npc eunuch
Because I didn't state Russia is losing? Because I gave an honest analysis of the situation? Fuck Putin, fuck the Ukrainian puffers. Stating facts doesn't mean I support one side or the other. Fuck, when did the fucking truth become a partisan issue?
already sent to the country as it beats back the Russian invasion.
Really... really? We're still on this?
Much of what the Biden administration has done to help Ukraine has fallen short of formal involvement in the war, but just barely.
That's not the only thing it's fallen short of.
And for fuck sakes, WaPo
Are the walls closing in or not?
At some point, Russia may come to view the U.S. as a co-belligerent.
*looks around*
Now that's the 11d chess analysis we've been missing 'round these parts.
Hey Fiona, text Zach for me and ask him how his "enfeebled president" theory is working out.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/aoc-accuses-supreme-court-coup-and-calls-it-be-done-away
There are Marjorie Taylor Green[e] tweets we need to write articles about.
Except we have to carefully avoid the ones where she rails against the US going to war for Ukraine
Well, we mention her in paragraph 14, but we headline it with AOC's vote against it.
"Why? We'll just accuse her of being a Russian asset, or maybe Putin's mistress!"
Separation of powers demands no less!
We can't have the judicial branch just willy nilly kicking back legislative questions to the legislatures! Politicians would have to take a public stance on something, and you know how damaging that can be for their future election prospects!
(Though, actually, none of the Democrats seem to have been hurt by their long history of anti-gay votes, statements, and positions.)
Pretty sure the actual libertarians on the comments said this a month or two ago.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/white-house-tells-americans-suck-it-sake-liberal-world-order
The White House has told Americans they must continue to endure crippling high gas prices in order to preserve the “liberal world order” and support Ukraine.
“What do you say to those families that say, listen, we can’t afford to pay $4.85 a gallon for months, if not years?” the host asked Deese.
“This is about the future of the Liberal World Order and we have to stand firm,” Deese responded.
"Biden loyalists have become increasingly absurd in trying to explain away gas price hikes and inflation, with former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers blaming people who downplay what happened on January 6.
BlackRock CEO Larry Fink also ludicrously claimed “nationalism” was to blame for inflation, asserting, “The rise– whether you call it nationalism or the rise of this belief that we have to focus on communities that have been devastated by globalization, we need to find ways of creating better jobs for more Americans, that in itself is inflationary.”"
Yeah, I ran across that this morning. Another conspiracy theory I had to slide over to the 'true' side of my magnetic board.
Somewhere, Ken Schultz is screaming into the void about Russian stooges.
But this time, they really are in the WH.
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-agency-wants-arms-monitors-ground-ukraine-track-billions-hardware-sent
Much belatedly now that there's a seemingly endless US weapons pipeline going into Ukraine, the Pentagon is worried they might end of in the "wrong hands" and is seeking to take steps to do something about it. It now wants to track serial numbers of US weaponry on the ground as the fight for Ukraine continues.
As early as April US officials began admitting that once advanced systems like Javelin anti-tank weapons cross into Ukraine they have no idea where they go from there. There's speculation that some percentage of Western-supplied arms will be resold on the black market, or even make there way to other conflicts outside Ukraine, such as in the Middle East.
Or you know, just be captured.
Holy fucking shit:
But don't worry, guys, the walls are closing in on Putin!
It's a tipping point!
The very tippy top tip of the tipping point, as AOC would say.
Meanwhile
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/secs-new-esg-rule-hurts-americas-small-farms-ranches
Hurting small farmers and small businesses is the point of these regulations. It's a classic case of regulatory capture.
In 9 years we can finally get the USSC to strike it down like they did the EPA
Wouldn't it be nice if every new piece of signed legislation went to immediate review by the courts and ruled on it's constitutionality?
Why the fuck do we have to live under unconstitutional laws for so long?
As a Koch / Reason left-libertarian, I believe endless proxy war against Russia will have two major benefits:
1. It will allow Fiona to submit another dozen minor rewrites of her "Russia attacking Ukraine proves the US should have open borders like my benefactor Charles Koch wanted long before Russia attacked Ukraine" column.
2. It will punish Putin for his most reprehensible crime against humanity — hacking our 2016 election and denying Hillary Clinton the White House. Oh, and ummmmmmmm, punish him for killing Ukrainians too. That's also bad.
#LibertariansForProxyWar
#LibertariansForBiden
Yeah I don't really see a problem here. Why not just open the borders and train all males under 60 to work as mercenaries in Ukraine. They wouldn't be US military so Putin would have to suck it up. After they kick his ass and send him back to Russia, they can all get jobs with Koch Industries. Win/win.
https://twitter.com/PimaDems/status/1542886947005165568?t=hZzqDN1cNkj9swaGOMFdPA&s=19
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I think sitting in a lake drinking beer sounds like a much better idea.
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https://twitter.com/AtlRey/status/1542964036064657409?t=adiO6OVlE_7nSr4xmtkitQ&s=19
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All symptoms of a Liberal World Order agenda
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"The beatings will continue until morale improves!" really seems to be the official motto of the Biden administration.
I think the motto is just, "Fuck them proles."
As Clinton demonstrated so well, Democratic elites actually get a kick out of that.
https://twitter.com/TheCradleMedia/status/1542845921406451712?t=6E_5XbEL4iRsqNBhWxZJDg&s=19
CIA recruits ISIS fighters from SDF-run prisons in Syria to fight in Ukraine: Report
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And America will continue to spend the money, drive up inflation, and ruin the economy for the global "liberal" order (meaning: neo-liberal and neo-con): Biden's economic adviser Brian Deese said so.
And these people are so out of touch with reality that they think they can fix supply problems with a "gas tax holiday, pressure on oil companies, and a potential price cap on Russian oil"; none of those increase supply, in fact they decrease it.
I knew Biden was a corrupt idiot when he ran for president, but not in my wildest dreams did I imagine that his administration would be such a dismal failure. He easily takes the prize for worst president within the past century based only on the disaster he has created in less than two years and with moderate Democrats restraining his worst impulses.
The "global liberal order" is the one in which liberal Western values generally prevail over international relations and global trade. In general it is a good thing, as it means free trade, settling international disputes by diplomacy over war, the role of a great power is to facilitate the liberal order rather than to impose its will, etc. This is what has prevailed more or less since the end of the Second World War. These are idealizations of course and imperfectly held to - the US does impose its will on other parts of the world from time to time, diplomacy doesn't always work or is never really tried in good faith (e.g. Iraq), there is always a tendency for backsliding on free trade with parochial protectionist interests.
If we abandon this, then what would follow? What exactly would a post-liberal order world look like? I seriously doubt it would be better than this one.
Lol. Thanks for saying this. Liberal world order is a good thing. Lol. Just fucking admit you're a leftist already.
Globalist totalitarianism is not laudable
Yeah, maybe Jeffy should ask some of the countries that have ended up on the short end of the "global liberal order" stick how they feel about it.
You can tell Jeff has never been ANYWHERE except his mom's basement.
You ever notice he never reveals any details about his life? I’m sure he’s terrified that anyone knows anything about him. I picture him as an older, obese, unintelligent, leftist version of Martin Prince.
The "liberal world order" is currently waging war on Americans and all western working, middle, and small business class.
cringe
"We must defend the global liberal world order, for the good of the world. Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."
- Jeff
It would be a return to might makes right.
Arm up.
Are you effing serious? Vietnam? Iraq? Syria? Libya? Afghanistan? Yemen? Somalia? Haiti? Iran? Wars that installed dictators, destroyed democracies, were carried out for US corporate interests?
There has never been a "liberal world order" or "free trade". Since WWII, the US has thrown around its weight militarily around the globe for the financial and economic benefit of US voters and US corporations. The result has been increasing contempt and hatred for the US and Europe, as well as increasing contempt for liberalism and democracy.
But the period when the US could get away with that is rapidly coming to an end. Nations around the world are not going to continue relying on the dollar or the US financial system or other US-controlled infrastructure. China has turned most of Africa and South America into colonies, securing access to the most important raw materials, while at the same time bamboozling the West into becoming totally dependent on China for transportation and other essential goods.
What's the alternative to the shitshow of the last 80 years? The US should bring its troops home, mind its own business, and demonstrate the benefits of a liberal, free-market oriented society by example. God knows, we have our work cut out for ourselves.
The path we are going down right now, we'll end up little different from the CCP or the CPSU. That's the path your supposed "liberal world order" takes us: a world divided between the totalitarian states of Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia, except that Eastasia actually includes all of South America and Africa.
can a liberal, free-market oriented society long endure in a vacuum and without other liberal, free market societies on the earth?
do not take this as support for the current or past policies of the U.S. Federal Government vis Ukraine, it's simply an honest question
Joe Biden announced an additional $800 million in weapons aid for Ukraine
Do you want another Pearl Harbor? Because this is how you get another Pearl Harbor. Or, to account for the times, a tactical nuke lobbed at the North Slope.
I just request that Putin target the coasts (Pacific and Atlantic north of Charleston) and leaves the rest to us
he'll be sure to take your request into account
Hey, Dugin Hooligan Putineer dick head! My Uncle has a place on the North Carolina shores and he's no East Coast Establishment type! He earned his place via hard work and saving against all the efforts of UAW to brand him a "scab" and make him go down their path of ruin!
Telling a Totalitarian asshole like Putin to target decent Americans is where you've really fucked up!
If you ever get your wet fever dream, my Uncle also has an arsenal waiting for them!
Also,all the freaks at all the Bike Weeks in Myrtle Beach, SC will turn Putineers into taxidermy for their cycles!
I only regret they'll tear Putineers to pieces before us landlubbers get a hold of 'em!
Just bring it, you Dugin Hooligan Putineer Nazi!
GFY, retard
"Germans?"
"Forget it. He's rolling..."
"Though the Biden administration has repeatedly stressed that it won't deploy American troops to Ukraine, the Times reports that "some C.I.A. personnel have continued to operate in the country secretly, mostly in the capital, Kyiv, directing much of the vast amounts of intelligence the United States is sharing with Ukrainian forces."
Don't worry, they're only advisors.
Yeah, we've seen this play before....
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/it-very-serious-war-and-weather-threaten-send-food-prices-even-higher
USA is fighting Proxy War.
your tax dollars hard at work ensuring the Ukraine-Russia War remains as permanent as possible
in a related development, folks who damned Biden as a pussy in Afghanistan damn him as a bully in Ukraine.. the tribal switcheroos just keep on coming!
You really don't understand what other people think
lol that's code for "fuck you for pointing out my partisan hypocrisy"
True, and I hold no such contradictory position. I fully believe both Biden is a pussy and Nards is a pussy for Putin. 🙂
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1543263229006254080?t=dRr_l05-ryMvHlZjt0cjIQ&s=19
My message to the companies running gas stations and setting prices at the pump is simple: this is a time of war and global peril.
Bring down the price you are charging at the pump to reflect the cost you’re paying for the product. And do it now.
"Muh sovereignty"
https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1542786973705900032?t=gqO3WMzeGeKjgb-GlB7kEA&s=19
The flag of the European Union was installed in the session hall of the Verkhovna Rada today.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-will-now-demand-rubles-grain-worlds-largest-wheat-exporter
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/video-israeli-ukrainian-captured-pro-russian-forces-circulates-social-media
Video is circulating on social media of a Ukrainian-Israeli man who's been captured by pro-Russian separatists. In the video, 40-year-old Vladimir Kozlovsky tells a bleak story of his brief service with the Ukrainian military.
"When the war started, my wife and I wanted to leave the country," says Kozlovsky, according to a translation of the video by Israeli news site ynet. "I am also a citizen of Israel...Before the border, in Uzhgorod, I met with the Israeli consulate, they gave me a special certificate so I could leave the country—but I was stopped at the border. The border guards detained me and did not let me out."
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/biden-admin-halts-2nd-largest-us-lng-plant-restarting-operations-after-blast
The Biden administration is preventing the second-largest US liquefied natural gas export facility from repairing or restarting operations in the wake of a fire earlier this month over 'risks to public safety.'
As Reuters reports, the U.S. Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA), which operates under DOT Secretary Pete Buttigieg, has prevented Freeport LNG's 15 million tonne per year (mtpa) Quintana plant in Houston, TX, exacerbating the global energy crunch.
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/rationing-has-already-started-in-europe-as-the-entire-globe-plunges-into-a-horrific-economic-nightmare/
https://tomluongo.me/2022/06/29/the-g-7-squawks-but-theyve-already-lost-the-war-against-russia/
So, the G-7 leaders are in agreement, more war with Russia. Without actually saying exactly that, that was the main takeaway from he meeting of the most feckless leaders in the world.
They also pledged $600 billion they don’t have to fund global infrastructure projects to ‘combat China’s Belt and Road Initiative.’ One wonders where all this money and, in the case of Europe, energy is going to come from to fund all of this.
But the question I’ve had from the beginning of this obvious war of attrition the West wants to impose on Russia is the following: Do we have the stamina, in terms of real production capacity, to cash these checks our leaders are writing?
A major report from the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), one of the oldest military think tanks in the UK emphatically said not in anyone’s wildest dreams. Alex Mercouris of The Duran did an amazing job of breaking down what RUSI thought about NATO’s ability to wage war vs. Russia’s current military tempo, days before this idea caught fire.
https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776/status/1543212713177976833?t=maMlWa-3q8ZsDxO4kk31Jw&s=19
Watch : Ukrainian helicopter attempting to burn all the dried wheat in #Kherson by shooting flairs into the field.
#Kiev punishing the people of Kherson for applying for Russian passports ?
#Ukraine #UkraineCrisis #Donbass #Russia
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https://twitter.com/gahamalian/status/1542923112919941121?t=Z84pVGHANMG_RhyqXH4o6w&s=19
A huge queue in #Kherson for pensions paid in rubles.
Calls from Kiev "not to take #Russian money" remained ignored.
The transition to the ruble zone is taking place as quickly as it happened in the DPR and LPR after the decision to switch to #rubles was made.
#Ukraine [link]
Fuck you and your twitter 'sources'. Grow up or STFU.
go fuck yourself
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1543291303366107139?t=11pcxlq39ens8QdkMFOQGg&s=19
Looks like the Dept of Homeland Security (Ministry of Truth) and Big Tech (Google) are working feverishly.
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No, they won't, because they're not idiots.
The senior Russian leadership knows history and knows proxy conflict strategy under conditions of nuclear deterrence. Further, the Russian leadership is politically secure, and so does not have to worry about opposition politicians and public opinion pushing them into suicidally-stupid belligerency. They accordingly will, out of basic rational self-interest, adhere to the Cold War precedents on what does and does not constitute co-belligerency, since those are the standards to avoid nuclear war.
On every item on your "looks like war" list, just ask yourself, "Did the US do this in the Soviet-Afghan War? What about the USSR during the Vietnam War?"
A "yes" doesn't mean it's actually good policy for the US to do it, but it does mean scaremongering about it is foolish.
True. Both advisers and troops from the former Soviet Union, Red China, and North Korea all served in Southeast Asia when the U.S. was there. The chance to go nuclear was there but nobody did.
While I think you're probably right - I certainly hope so, it's tough to make predictions, especially about the future (h/t Yogi Berra (attributed)).
Vietnam and Afghanistan were not viewed the same way as Ukraine is by the Russians. To them they're fighting in their own backyard.
Ukraine has been invaded by Russia; seems to be a good idea for the EU to aid Ukraine to deal with that. Russian aggression is a real concern for the EU nations.
What this has to do with the US is a mystery to me.
But I thought NATO was a 'defensive' alliance?
Amazing to me the number of useful idiots here who have gorged themselves on the "realist" kool aid, call Zelenskliy a criminal and lick the blood stained boots of Putin. Disgraceful . And foolish, The Russia state is a malignancy that needs to be contained and if possible, weakened to the point where it cannot spread. When predatory rabid feral pigs start waddling across your borders, you don't welcome them, you make bacon. The western investment investment in making this happen is well worth it. So let us ask a question here here: Where does the west draw the "red line"? Where do the so called "realists" draw it? If not Ukraine, where is it a rational response to Russian aggression and war crimes to take action and push back? The Russians need to go home. Whether in body bags or willingly.
"When predatory rabid feral pigs start waddling across your borders, you don't welcome them, you make bacon,"
I would be satisfied to just send them back to Mexico.
A 'Realist' foreign policy simply acknowledges restraints on what a nation can achieve. We obviously couldn't turn Afghanistan into a liberal democracy nor Cuba nor Vietnam. And yet we spent a lot of blood and treasure in futile attempts to do so. A 'realist' approach also acknowledges geographical limitations- and Ukraine is outside of anything that America could say was of 'strategic interest.' The only reason we're concerned about it is an almost pathological hatred of Putin (not entirely unjustified) and the media's adoration of the 'David vs. Goliath' nature of the conflict.
If you're concerned about injustice in this world, perhaps you would like for us to also get involved in Myanmar, Sudan, Mali and any of the other hundreds of nations that are experiencing military dictatorships.
So we are fighting to support the right for Hunter Biden to have sex with his 14 year old niece?
The G7 nations are attempting to be nothing less than a 'world government' which seeks to impose liberal democracy on every other nation. Why any Republican wouldn't see that this is what conservatives have warned about for years, is beyond me.
If you sell or give someone a gun and they use it to defend themselves, does that mean you are waging "war" against the assailant?
Damn. You went beast mode on the spineless libertarians that talk a good game about NAP but let others violate it with impunity and without consequences. Golf clap.
LOL, dizzle going full chemjeff
"This entire saga was so simple to address from the start but we had two competing retarded sides pushing their narratives."
Sure. Acknowledge DPR and LPR independence, stop bombing civilians, acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory, work out a deal for water access, stop the ridiculous posturing and propaganda against Russia.
(Here's when dizzle and people who can't pull their heads out of their cold war assholes argle bargle that no information which isn't entirely negative about Russia isn't legitimate so they can deny people's sympathetic to Russia their right to self determination)
"One is the nardz "it's still 2014 and Zelensky is just Obamas puppet even though we're 3 presidents and almost a decade removed from that time! Fuck Obama! Fuck Ukraine! The MIC/Deep State just want Ww3 and even sending Ukraine kleenexs will trigger putin! Putin is my hero because he's fighting against the globalists even though he's part of the world economic forum and tight with both Xi and Klaus Schwab!""
I mean...
I'll forgive the desperate insecurity you try to pass off as wit here, and just ask: what are you actually disputing?
Are you saying Zelensky is not a puppet?
That the deep state and globalists are invested in stoking conflict?
Make your case.
"Yes, Nato wanted to increase its influence."
NATO's expansion is right there on the map, and it's been literally in Ukraine for 8 years.
"No, Ukraine was not even close to joining Nato despite what zelensky wanted."
15 days to slow the spread! Inflation is temporary! PUTIN'S PRICE HIKE!
"Yes, any trust any nearby country had in agreements with Russia was thrown out the window after they invaded Crimea, basically nullifying any treaties or prior agreements."
Yea, fuck the Crimeans! How dare they not obey dizzle's Atlanticist worldview! Oh, and you might want to ask China, India, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Africa, etc whether they trust Russia or NATO nations more.
"Yes, The Obama admin meddled in Ukraine and pushed a euro leaning side in the euromaiden.
Yes, The Putin admin meddled in Ukraine and pushed a communist leaning side in the euromaiden."
Yikes. This is toddler level thought.
"Yes, THAT WAS ALL 10 YEARS AND 3 PRESIDENTS AGO
Yes, the UKRAINIAN people voted for Zelensky, a jew, in an overwhelming (near 70%) victory."
8, and that near decade has seen nothing but Ukrainian aggression prior to Russia's invasion.
If you claim 70% of Ukrainians voted for Zelensky (who ran on a peace platform with promises to commit to Minsk2), then you're admitting Crimea and the Donbass aren't part of Ukraine. The people living there didn't vote in Ukraine's election... because they'd already voted to not be part of Ukraine.
"Yes, Ukraine has a neo nazi military battalion.
Yes, KKK and neo nazi members served in large numbers in all levels of American law enforcement and the military until at least the early 1980s.
No, they do not represent the larger population of either country and they make up a miniscule fraction of a percent of the overall military and population."
Don't try to draw an equivalence between Ukraine and the US, because that's some rabid CRT style bullshit. Ukraine has been naming streets and stadiums after Nazi collaborators since 2014. Nazi admirers and ideologues are important because they run the fucking security state and have a huge influence on the military. You can ignore that because russiamanbad, but it is what it is. They were the galvanizing force of Maidan.
"The Ukrainians were hamstrung at the start because both Obama and bidens admin paused/halted lethal aid shipments to Ukraine. Right at the start of the war we should have begun sending them advanced drones, artillery, long range missiles, and any other equipment our competent generals thought they would need to counteract Russia. But we waited far too long to get advanced systems in place, and are unwilling to send the proper numbers. We also missed the opportunity to kill mass amounts of worthless communists when Russia was spread thin across the north of Ukraine."
Russia isn't communist, you fucking boomer. Your zealotry is ignorant and irrational.
"Now, having said that, none of that required 60 Billion in unaccountable aid being printed from thin air either. The equipment already exists, it just needed shipped over. What that money is needed for, who the fuck knows. It reeks of corruption, but where I'm not sure considering the house n senate passed it with no oversight. Maybe they're all getting a cut.
We could have sent Ukraine all the equipment it needed for tens of millions, not billions. You can be for sending the weapons and equipment Ukraine needs to defend itself, while simultaneously being against billions of aid money that dissappears into thin air."
Here dizzle wants to have his forever war cake and eat it too.
"Personally, and this is from someone who admittedly thinks communists supporters deserve to die simply because communism is the antithesis to liberty and the nap by its nature, I'd be sending more long range missiles and artillery asap. I give 0 fucks what putin thinks is "escalatory" because we've all seen his military performance sucks, and we've called his bluff every single time putin or one of his tard cronies says "if America does X, we'll view it as an escalation". I'd also be putting the full weight of our electronic warfare capabilities on Russia. And I mean to potentially kill people. I'd be looking into ways to hack the water treatment, electric, and gas supply infrastructure of major Russian cities, much the way they have attacked us (colonial pipeline and the water treatment plant in Florida they'd tried poisoning come to mind). If there's a way to poison or shut off all of Moscows water electronically, I'd be seriously considering it and many other very heavy handed covert actions against Russia. And if my advisors talked me out of that, I'd at the very least be doing everything I could to electronically disrupt their internet, banking, telecom, etc etc. Hack everything we can fucking hack. Fuck with every communists cockroach we can fuck with."
While I share your hatred of communists, your perception of reality is psychotic and based entirely on what the Atlantic Council tells you. It's noteworthy that you don't say anything about attacking China, and we have actual evidence of them doing the types of things you accuse Russia of.
"And again, none of that requires 60 billion. But it did require a clear, non political, picture of what's actually going on in Ukraine. Which is a very united Ukrainian population fighting for their sovereignty against a force that is now invading their territory for the second time in 10 years. But sadly all we got was Ukraine is either full of nazis or full of globalist puppets."
Are you Ukrainian? Because you're really emotionally invested in the cartoon character American media has pimped Ukrainians as. Too bad you only give a shit about "sovereignty" (LOL) when it aligns with your blind, irrational hatred.
Feel free to go to Ukraine and fight. But trying to drag the rest of us down with you is some collectivist, communist bullshit.
Fo shizzle, Dizzle! You took far more time and had far more patience than I have to utterly destroy the Dugin Hooligan Putineers and their apologists! Get 'em! Sic 'em!
Show precisely where Dizzle is wrong. As it stands you have no argument, just attacks.
I never said anything to the contrary.
I was actually referring to Diane Reynolds and others. Reason is awkward without an edit button, why do they not allow that?
Equipment is useless without trained personal to use it. Ukraine is running out of those personal quicker than Russia. And BTW, I've criticized Nardz and think he's more than a bit loco, but the whole Ukraine is going to win thing is missing the entire reality of the situation.
"It also wasn't America pushing Ukraine to join Nato"
That's not even remotely accurate:
Biden should end talk of NATO membership for Ukraine
Biden assures Zelenskiy that NATO membership in Ukraine's hands
Every time America has offered a former Soviet state NATO membership, Russia has preemptively invaded them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War#Relations_between_Georgia_and_the_West
One of NATOs mandates was containment of Russia's immediate predecessor state. Because of this Russia has always freaked out over NATO on its borders.
The Biden administration knew exactly what it was doing with Ukraine and they wanted this war.
And this isn't a new thing either. It started back in April 2008. George W. campaigned for offering a Membership Action Plan to Georgia and Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#Membership_Action_Plan
Some folk are just really, really committed to their globalist brainwashers.
Loco or not, I'm right a hell of a lot more often than I'm wrong. Feel free to check me on that.
For truthfulness. You can't edit what you wrote, so you can't change it later after everyone has responded and say "I didn't say that!"
Ok, Boomer.
Whatever