In Landmark 2nd Amendment Ruling, SCOTUS Affirms Right 'To Carry a Handgun for Self-Defense Outside the Home'
“Nothing in the Second Amendment’s text draws a home/public distinction with respect to the right to keep and bear arms,” says New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen.

In a landmark victory for gun rights advocates, the U.S. Supreme Court today ruled 6–3 that "the Second and Fourteenth Amendments protect an individual's right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home."
In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment secures the right to possess a handgun inside the home for self-defense purposes. In McDonald v. Chicago (2010), that right was applied against state and local governments. Today, in New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, the right was recognized to extend outside of the home.
The case centered on a New York law requiring anyone seeking a license to carry a concealed handgun in public to first satisfy a local official that he has "proper cause" to do so. According to the state, a "generalized" wish to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense purposes was not sufficient to meet the proper cause standard. "In 43 States," observed the majority opinion of Justice Clarence Thomas, "the government issues licenses to carry based on objective criteria. But in six states, including New York, the government further conditions issuance of a license to carry on a citizen's showing of some additional special need. Because the State of New York issues public-carry licenses only when an applicant demonstrates a special need for self-defense," Thomas continued, "we conclude that the State's licensing regime violates the Constitution."
At the heart of the case was the question of whether the discretion that New York placed in the hands of local licensing officials was consistent with how constitutional rights are typically treated in the American system. New York's licensing scheme failed that test. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need," Thomas wrote. "That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant's right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self-defense."
Among the winning Second Amendment advocates today was a coalition of public defense lawyer organizations, including the Black Attorneys of Legal Aid, the Bronx Defenders, and Brooklyn Defender Services.
"Each year," the groups told the Court in an amicus brief, "we represent hundreds of indigent people whom New York criminally charges for exercising their right to keep and bear arms. For our clients, New York's licensing requirement renders the Second Amendment a legal fiction." According to the public defender groups, New York's approach has had "brutal" consequences for their clients, who have been "stopped, questioned, and frisked," "forcibly removed" from their homes, locked up "in dirty and violent jails and prisons," and "deprived….of their jobs, children, livelihoods, and ability to live in this country," all "because our clients exercised a constitutional right." They urged the Court to invalidate New York's gun control scheme both because it violated the Second Amendment and because it disparately harmed black and Hispanic people who carried firearms for self-defense.
It has become common in recent years to speak of the Second Amendment as a partisan issue. This case is a powerful reminder that the national debate over gun rights does not divide easily or reliably along typical left-right lines.
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Awesome.
Let's hope some judicial wisdom trickles down from the firearms decision to alcohol and tobacco
Nope.
Jeezus were losing our asses in SCOTUS.
Id better start loading the Court like I load my Depends.
"The second amendment does not permit - let alone require - judges to assess the costs and benefits of firearms restrictions"
--Justice Clarence Thomas
That's possibly the most important line in the opinion that was set as precedent.
Though I did love the power move of referencing Dred Scott.
I have been referencing Dred Scott for a few years now ever since I realized what Taney had written. Never thought I would see Thomas reference it. Power move, indeed!
Thomas's decision has so many important points. Reading it made me hard. LOL.
I haven't read it yet, but on average Thomas is a baller.
C'mon, man! Just fire your shotgun in the air!
Wow, Reason has devolved into OANN.
Let's find some cases to overturn Kelo, Raiche and Wickard.
-jcr
Yes, yes, and fucking yes!
Like that dissent in Heller, the real thrust of today’s dissent is that guns are bad and that States and local jurisdictions should be free to restrict them essentially as they see fit. That argument was rejected in Heller, and while the dissent protests that it is not rearguing Heller, it proceeds to do just that.
Justice Alito
the one sentiment that comes to my mind re: these SCOTUS rulings is that Justice Clarence Thomas is having the last laugh at Joe Biden's expense. One could say Justice Thomas, a black man, is figuratively lynching Joe Biden, a white man.
I know it was essentially pure luck, but I really appreciate the "immediate bitchslap to the Senate" aspect of the timing of the ruling.
The timing is lovely, yes.
In Landmark 2nd Amendment Ruling, SCOTUS Affirms Right 'To Carry a Handgun for Self-Defense Outside the Home'
It took living like the rest of us to get them to that.
Especially awesome because it affected so many people, and invalidates such a severe restriction that just a tiny fraction of the population was entitled to carry guns for their own use, and replaces it with a presumption that the average person be allowed to.
Unfortunately it seems to have taken a very explicit Constitutional guarantee of a very particular activity, and a heck of a lot of litigation, for this presumption to come into play. There's no similar constitutionally guaranteed right to, for instance, braid people's eyebrow or head hair for money, nor to replace the passenger seat of your car with a refrigerator, nor to pickle your dead squirrel, nor to stand on your head in your uncle's bathroom for a half hour on Tuesdays.
You monster: Wednesdays.
How liberty triggers left libertarians and bolshies..as a real new yorker (I grew up six hours from commie land NYC)..this is a huge win. Sick of the little commie wokes from NYC shitting on the Bill of Rights. As Howard Stern would say..all the white suburban yenta women are freaking out...good..they destroyed the State and caused the crime wave with their liberalism.
Except that the Constitution says "arms" not "pistols."
Funny how the radical extremist, and corrupt, far-Right Conservative activist justices only want to regulate the WMDs that the poorly educated don't know how operate.
>>the national debate over gun rights does not divide easily or reliably along typical left-right lines
Them v. Hoi Polloi
It’s the slobs versus the snobs! Trump IS Al Czervik! With Hillary Clinton as Judge Smails, and Joe and Jill Biden as the Havercamps.
AOC as Lacey Underall?
No, more fitting as Grace.
butter face but the rest..
"JUSTICE BREYER, with whom JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR and JUSTICE KAGAN join, dissenting."
Totes non-partisan. It's not like the liberals are the ones violating the 2nd Amendment all day every day, and the conservatives trying to prevent that. No. It's 50/50, you see.
Yep 6 - 3 and no-one could possibly guess without looking it up, who were the six and who the three.
Those 3 should be seeking new employment given their assertion that "keep and bear arms" is limited to inside your own house. How do the "2nd Amendment is limited to militias" then say that militia can only bear arms within their own homes. We're going to fight off our enemies without leaving home?
Thank you, Donald Trump.
The Federalist Society deserves some praise, too.
Most of it.
nope.. i dont think so.
any constitutionally aware group could have fwd'd good candidates to someone like Trump. In the end its up to those who directly advise and/or pursuade him and Trump himself - who actually has to commit his presidency to a candidate - that deserves most of the credit.
It didnt hurt that Trump probably didnt care too much about which ones were put in front of him... he is a guy who delegates adn keeps with the big picture [such as he understands it]
I'm still not convinced his court picks would have differed radically from generic Republican. Particularly considering Trump's known lack of interest in this area.
Same reason I opposed a description I saw awhile back of the courts being part of Trumpism. Trump had real things he stood for, but that does not include everything that happened while he was in office.
So, textualist and originalist jurisprudence I don't consider to be particularly Trumpist. Immigration issues definitely are.
His picks were not consistent. Gorsuch, a relatively strict constitutionalist, vs. Kavanaugh, a Bushie.
I'm fairly certain Kavanaugh was picked by Kennedy, a condition he required to retire
Yeah, I agree.
Indeed. Three pro-American, pro-Constitution, pro individual liberty justices outweighs all the mean tweets in the world, by miles.
Also, a highly correlated thank you to Ruth Bader Ginsburg for dying rather than retiring. Her shallow, narcissistic, pathogical lust to hold onto power until her last breath worked out pretty damn well for America in the end, in a weird sort of way!
Gotta love that leftist lust for power.
Never thought I'd have a reason to wish FBG other than a long roast in hell, but you're right.
According to Twitter, we now live in the Wild West.
The continued existence of twitter proves that they are wrong.
In the wild west, assholes like the twitter staff were run out of town on a rail, or beaten daily for their insults until they learned manners or left town.
Or just dead, as dueling was still legal.
Well, there's no time like the present! Better late than never! I could go on, but you get the point.
The "wild, wild, west" was a fiction invented by dime novelists during the late 1800s. It was perpetuated by pro-authoritarians (statists) to claim govt. saved the west from chaos. It did the opposite. The US Empire is becoming more violent, more dangerous, less stable, every decade, due to the (maybe yours, NOT mine) coercive political paradigm that puts "force first" (law), over justice, logic, reason. I have never accepted that "Most Dangerous Superstition" - Larken Rose.
The Wild West is pretty nice. It's historically less violent then people think, and we got nice sunsets.
Yeah shootouts are a normal,every day part of life here in states with Constitutional Carry. Wait it isn't but I was assured it would be.
Have you been to Chicago?
Is Chicago a Constitutional Carry City?
Fair to say it is presently a constitutional abortion of a city
????
so what is the trick on these forums to insert an emoticon instead of their being reflected as "???" characters I see the former every now and then on here
I mean, I'm in New Mexico, but it's actually pretty calm around here.
Now, those coastal shitholes...
New Mexico is 7th in gun deaths per capita (as of 2021), far above states like Illinois (which holds Chicago fyi) at 27th and Maryland (Baltimore) at 33rd. The states with the lowest gun deaths per capita include Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and California...said "coastal shitholes."
Yeah only if you count suicides disingenuously. If you restrict it to homicides, you're full of shit. Suicides are an entirely different thing, and gun control has almost zero impact on suicide rates.
But for some reason, I can walk down the street at night in Santa Fe without fear, but shiver uncontrollably in Oakland. Such a mystery.
Richmond is thenOK Corral in spite of open carry. Gunshots can be heard nightly within city limits.
Richmond is also 50% black and has been run like a slave plantation by black Democrats for decades
Imagine how the "blue check" universe would react if someone in Congress decided that platforms like that are "dangerous", and that anyone looking to sign up for an account would need to get permission from law enforcement officials certifying that they have a recognized "legitimate" need to be able to communicate via such means.
Between the "Arab Spring" and Jan 6th, social media platforms have allegedly been instrumental in coordinating the attempted/successful overthrow of multiple governments around the world. Wouldn't seem to be that hard to get the "dangers" inherent in access to such technology acknowledged with that taken into account.
LOL. Well said sir. LOL.
Twitter wokes are just red diaper ivy league NYC bolshies...screw them.
A party line vote in the SCOTUS on a gun control law in a single party far left state is a "powerful reminder that the national debate over gun rights does not divide easily or reliably along typical left-right lines."
You sure about that?
I might just run out of semen if SCOTUS releases their abortion opinion tomorrow.
Buttplug already ran dry. But that was after he had lunch at Chuck E Cheese.
Oh, so that's what he meant when he said he wanted to make the ball pit into his personal cereal bowl.
And he invited some five year olds into the bathroom for dessert.
wew
I like sniffing 12 yo girls.
Is that so wrong?
Not in your democracy, Joe. And tell that boy of yours he still owes me 10 bucks from the that day with the thing in the place. he knows.
gross, but also LOL
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1540143278594486272?t=hBxofCIkVxhQagu5VxB87Q&s=19
DOJ does not issue statements like these disagreeing with Supreme Court rulings. It doesn’t happen. It has no lawful basis.
This can only be seen as a direct threat against the judiciary by Stasi agents.
[Link]
https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1540060171728084992?t=OZmssGTNXLVc0xupOxmilQ&s=19
BREAKING: The Department of Homeland Security is communicating with Catholic Churches and pregnancy centers, telling them to be prepared for a "Night of Rage" by pro-abortion groups pledging "extreme violence" the night of the Dobbs decision.
This case is a powerful reminder that the national debate over gun rights does not divide easily or reliably along typical left-right lines.
Well, let's see; the left wants total control over the individual by the state, the right wants individual freedoms to prevail over the state.
So this sort of does really divide exactly along those lines.
There is nothing more individual than being able to protect yourself.
The coalition for 2A is growing bit beyond the center right. The black attorneys for legal aid was among those who advanced the case to the SC.
I assume many blacks and Latinos sent to prison over carrying handguns outside their homes were ordinary gun owning citizens, not suspected gang members. New York sent a squad to take down a guy selling individual cigs on the streets, so I can only imagine how many people with families and businesses had their lives turned upside down in that godforsaken place.
Social Cons have their own authoritarian streak, and just because they happen to generally back 2A doesn't mean they're really all about individual liberty.
Definitely not all pro-2A folks are "evangelicals" who'd like to institute some degree of theocratic restrictions based on their misbegotten belief that the USA was founded as a "Christian Nation" from 1776 or before that.
What theological restrictions would you recommend and how would they comport to the restriction on Congress to pass no law that restricts the free expression of religion?
Agreed. Its one of the things I get so sick of with the NRA and other evangelical types is the constant injection of "god given this and that" when the discussion of natural rights comes into play. Its fine if you believe that internally but constantly injecting that as an official part of the platform turns secular people away from the 2A part of it because they don't want to associate with religious fundamentalists.
Someone doesn't understand history I see. God Given doesn't mean religion in it's original usage, or how the NRA utilizes it. Even atheists used the term God given at the time of the writing of the Constitution to mean you're born with those rights. Fuck!
Agree with soldier. "God given" in the case of the Deist founders, as I understand it, means that some rights are sourced from a "higher power" in that they are not subject to the whims of humans to give and take. I like this philosophical protection, but feel free to supply a working substitute. Just rejecting it risks losing those "God given" rights.
Except, most "secular people" don't feel so strongly about it. A few may be anti-clerical but hardly any are anti-religion or anti-god. It just doesn't arouse strong feeling in many of them. On the other hand, anti-god expressions do arouse strong feelings in a lot of religious types. So really you can hardly lose by invoking God.
I would have liked for SCOTUS to have also struck down the “good moral character” requirement (NY requires 4 notarized letters, from unrelated people, who live in the same county, and who have known the applicant for at least 3 years attesting to the applicant's “good moral character”).
Can't wait to see the legal juggling the state will go through to avoid issuing permits.
The cost to apply for a permit in NY will increase to half a million dollars. The permit will only be valid for a month, and the renewal fee is a million dollars.
"The cost to apply for a permit in NY will increase to half a million dollars. The permit will only be valid for a month, and the renewal fee is a million dollars."
Actually, the Court addressed that issue, about fees, in the text. So, they might try, but probably no banana for them.
Though I will say, in a more ideal world, SCOTUS shouldn't be dictating state laws, but that ship has long sailed, and I'd rather have it being used to uphold natural rights than not.
In the best world, there wouldn't be any state~
they're not dictating state laws. they are striking down state laws that violate your rights.
^
It's outside of their purview to do so. Nonetheless, as I said, they've been doing this shit for so long now, so I'd rather natural rights be reasserted than the alternative.
No, it is not. See the 9th, 10th, and 14th amendment if you're still confused.
It's outside of their purview to do so.
14th Amendment, bitch! Look it up.
Not pertinent to SCOTUS.
I should elaborate and say that I don't see the reason, given Section II, that SCOTUS should be involved. I welcome being proved wrong, though!
I should elaborate and say that I don't see the reason
Incorporation of the 14th Amendment.
You really have no clue. So, if Alabama requires black people to have a special permit to attend the University of Alabama, the SCOTUS should just stay out of it..?
That sounds like common sense education control to me.
I agree, though as Woodchipper said, they're not dictating state laws, they're answering questions of whether those laws violate constitutional rights.
I doubt you were saying this, but I am sympathetic to the question of incorporation of the Constitution against the states though and whether it was a good move. The 14th Amendment was passed though, and I accept that. I also don't know enough about it to have a really strong opinion, just that my priors view it with some skepticism.
Yes, the ship has sailed with regards to judicial review and the 14th Amendment; however, I think it needs to be said there's a reason some states have an equivalent to the 2nd Amendment in their constitution and some do not.
However, until states and smaller political units begin seceding, every institution needs to be in support of natural rights.
your profile name triggers me
It's too hot for an extra layer. You should all be grateful I'm even wearing underwear while posting.
pervert
I also hope that liberal states attempt to nullify rulings like this so it gives conservatives some fucking balls to do the same.
Say it with me, boys: Mass secession!
No. Forced mass expatriation of the left. This belongs to us, not them.
I can name 12 states I’d just as soon not share a country with. Let them secede.
Why should we give up the land when we can just make the assholes move off it?
Imagine how nice California could be if it was run by sane people.
Actually, more like isolated metro areas. Even California looks pretty sane once you can't see the ocean (or the Bay).
The people in those "isolated metro areas" make up most of the population and elect the bulk of the State legislature, the US Senators, and the Governor.
The State government is essentially a one-party system because of the parts where you can see salt water. The local authorities in the other areas have some leeway to try to maintain a relative degree of sanity, but they don't get to make a lot of the major decisions for their counties.
The states are fine. The current occupants are the problem. So keep the states, and 86 the prog occupants.
You seem to be unclear on the difference between positive and negative rights. Must be a lefty.
Nope, I just want the dissolution of these United states since this political arrangement isn't working for either "side."
Every state.
Every county.
Every person.
Welcome to the decentralization club! You of course extend this down ... to counties, cities, neighborhoods ... all the way to the individual, the ultimate decentralization, the ultimate opt-out from top-down monopolistic coercive government.
Welcome to the club!
Thanks, but the club has a severe lack of women and girly penises for my liking.
You can't have it both ways. The State of Jefferson is overwhelmingly bearded males with tricked-out 4x4s. You want hottie chicks, you gotta frequent the blue zones.
Or...
https://philamuseum.org/collection/object/787
I keep hearing leftists screaming they will move to Canada or some other leftist utopia with all the govt giveaway goodies they could dream of.
And this needs to be the way. More rulings coming down on the side of freedom, and they can leave in disgust. This is our home, for people that want liberty and value individuality. This is not a place for them
The problem with their moving to Canada is that they'll still be right next to us. Best to just dump 'em in Siberia and have Putin deal with it.
Putin would probably pack them in to planes and dump them right back.
You guys are not thinking big enough. Lots of people around the world would like to move to the US. We can screen them and choose those that are looking for economic opportunity and seem inclined towards work and financial ambition. Then we get the classic bleeding heart liberals to trade places, which should appeal to their desires to live in socialist utopias.
Why do you want to deprive Siberian carnivores of easy food?
It's not like they'll be able to survive the tundra. I'd hope he would find it more efficient for them to be food for the fauna.
Putin, please, don't send them back.
Please.
I lean left.
Then I lean right.
Then I fall up stairs.
Then you poop your pants.
Anyone up for a Death Wish movie marathon?
In which one do they have the battle royale with a bunch of zip guns? 4?
3.
NYC!! Right to pack heat and no bail!!
Start spreading the news, I'm leaving today
I want to be a part of it: New York, New York
These vagabond shoes, are longing to stray
(shot) Right through the very heart of it: New York, New York
I wanna (hopefully) wake up in a city that doesn't sleep
And find I'm king of the hill, under a heap (of dirt)
Free people don't pay to beg for permission from bureaucrats to exercise their rights. This should have been unanimously decided.
According to the usual suspects there will be:
1. Blood in the streets
2. Shootouts in churches
3. Scores of women gunned-down (gender assumption)
4. Kids carrying in school
5. Duels at dawn
In other words, Wednesday in Chicago.
Mr President , they are ready for your press conference to condemn this decision allowing the peasants to protect themselves .....all right thank you ..can you find out for me please if all the armed to the teeth Secret Service are in position?.....
Why is it that the states with the highest gun-related death rate is all the states with the loosest gun laws? Must be a coincidence, huh?
Even if that were true, how does that affect the 2nd? It is there, for all to see. Find another way to reduce gun deaths; infringing on the 2nd is off-limits. You're making the argument for repeal, not infringement.
Why are the locales run by leftists where the vast majority of murders occur?
"4. Kids carrying in school
5. Duels at dawn"
I wish...
1. Concealed carry should be permitless and nationwide. Don't know how you can continue requiring permits in light of this (correct) ruling. It's not consistent, though having to register I could see.
2. Not sure how this impacts the anti Civil rights bill, though red flag laws are blatantly unconstitutional anyway.
If those red flag laws aren't struck down, this decision doesn't mean much.
Seems more likely, EITHER permit-less concealed or permit-less open carry. Pick at least 1.
Open carry and constitutional carry are the law in half the states.
It is almost as if the entire nation has been pretending not to know the definition of "infringed".
It's the same group that also struggles with "liberty" and "personal responsibility".
The ruling leaves in place a permitting process. It just says they can't have a "may issue" permit but have to have "shall issue" permits.
Nardz, you're clearly not thinking of the children.
Who do you hate the children?
Because of the meme where MJ says "fuk them kids"
"1. Concealed carry should be permitless and nationwide. Don't know how you can continue requiring permits in light of this (correct) ruling. It's not consistent, though having to register I could see."
Requiring a criminal bg check would be okay -- that is, if one can legally possess a firearm, then the permit should be issued.
I read about 1/3 of the decision, and just as important, or maybe even more-so, is that SCOTUS seems to reject the "intermediate scrutiny" applied by some courts re RKBA. It will be interesting to see how that pans out.
I think that the rejection of any scrutiny test was the most-important - and, perhaps, even surprising - part of the opinion. The possibility of SCOTUS addressing the scrutiny standard to be employed was discussed in advance but the possibility of it "punting" on it was considered more likely. Here, if I read it correctly, the opinion considers that even Strict Scrutiny is too restrictive.
For a change let's thank the Chief Justice - for assigning the opinion to the Justice most critical of treating the 2A as a "second-class right".
+
As I read it, Thomas got the added bonus ( besides putting another notch in his 2A affirmations belt) of taking a not-so-veiled shot at the Living Constitutionalists (v. Originalists.)
Somewhere Scalia smiles.
The scrutiny tests have long allowed SCOTUS, especially the lefties, to legitimate its deference to the state. Unless it was an equal-pro matter ( or, long ago, a 1A speech abuse), they’d routinely trot out some “significant-to-compelling interest” noise to justify the law(s).
Thomas admirably retreats to Originalism. He yields to a text-and historical understanding test. Screw the arbitrary scrutiny measures. Oh, yea, he agreed and acknowledged the court’s deference approach; except he deferred to the people (via text, tradition and roots of the 2A) rather than to the whimsy of activist judges.
Literally over half the states in america already have permitless constitutional carry and this will have zero effect on those people. LOL
Fucking lefties losing their minds.
It's a good precedent, but the right to self defense is nowhere near safe.
And none of those places are descending into the “Wild West.” The same was said of states enacting concealed carry permits 30 years ago and yet homicides declined dramatically over 3 decades.
What this decision shows is that the left overreaching on gun control is backfiring.
Pretty much every decision expanding gun rights of late has been because Democrat state lawmakers have pushed way too far and gotten slapped back with easy cases.
One wonders if the Republicans have learned anything in this regard that might inform their state level approach on abortion?
(Spoiler:. No)
Or the GOPe 'compromise' on gun restrictions.
Good.
Of course, there is going to be a reactionary fit from Team Blue. Gun owners and gun rights supporters need to prepare for this and demonstrate the responsible use of guns, so as to not give power to the reactionary elements.
Gun owners and gun rights supporters need to prepare for this and demonstrate the responsible use of guns...
We do. Every day. The occasional nutjob isn't representative of the whole.
Seriously.
Yeah, every serious firearms enthusiast I know is an absolute stickler for safe and responsible gun handling and use practices.
It would be responsible for me to shoot anyone who tries to burn my house down.
Demonstrate responsible use of guns? Sure thing, moron. Every day this year, 70+ million of us have managed to not do anything you would deem irresponsible.
"Gun owners and gun rights supporters need to prepare for this and demonstrate the responsible use of guns, so as to not give power to the reactionary elements."
A completely useless statement. Why? Because anyone that practices the responsible use of guns doesn't need to be told this. And anyone who planned on using them for irresponsible or criminal use was already planning on ignoring this.
So the "gun owners better be on best behavior" is BS. Deep blue governments need be on THEIR best behavior and stop making attempts at blatant infringement of the 2a, lest the 6-3 SC put them in their place, as they should have long ago.
Considering 99.9% of gun owners do this every single day for 246 years (going back to the founding of this country) I would be interested what he means by this as well.
There is no "demonstration of responsible use of guns" that will ever be adequate. There are over 300 million legally own guns in America and almost zero of them are ever used irresponsibly.
They will always come for the guns because it's not about "safety." It's just about taking the guns.
Another radical ruling from our illegitimate GOP packed court which represents viewpoints rejected by the majority of Americans in Presidential and Congressional elections. Two seats were stolen from elected presidents and 5 are seats are appointees of presidents rejected by most Americans while appointed by the EC. The last time the GOP Senators represented a majority of Americans was 1996 and then by a hair. Now Democrats represent 41 million more Americans than their GOP counterparts but have the same number of seats and it's been that way for a long time.
The court is illegitimate and none of the radical bullshit they produce should be taken for anything but that.
>The court is illegitimate
I agree, but so is the state.
By the way, how loose is your ass?
what are you packing
?
Fudge?
Rights aren't subject to elections. If a majority voted to reinstate slavery would you say it's ok?
sarcasmic, the SC decides questions of rights and the SC is indirectly subject to elections. By virtue of a dysfunctional winner take all (not in the constitution) EC and a Senate majority (not even close to representing a majority of Americans) stealing seats from presidents actually elected by most Americans, we are stuck with a court writing radical legislation from the bench which pleases minority viewpoints like yours. Your confusion on this issue serves to justify this failure of our government which will hopefully ne addressed eventually. Keep pushing the majority and reap the consequences.
More bullshit from Joe Asshole!
Writing radical legislation? The Court did that with RvW, Obamacare and Qualified Immunity, but not in this case. In this case the Court agreed that legislation prohibiting the right to bear arms outside the home effectively nullifies the 2A and should be struck down. That's not radical by any stretch. 20 states allow open carry, and I live in a state with Constitutional Carry which means I don't need a permit should I take a pistol with me. None of this is causing loss of life. It's the people who don't follow the rules who kill people.
You're welcome to your opinion sarcasmic, but the courts did not recognize this "right" prior to Heller and subsequent right wing justices finding it buried.
Recognizing a right is not writing legislation.
And I think you've got powers and rights backwards.
The government has powers which are both few and defined.
The people have rights. They are not few or defined. Some are explicitly recognized in the BoA, but our rights aren't limited to those. Nor do they need to be.
Hey Joe, how are you going to feel when Sotomayor has to step down due to her obesity or diabetes, and Biden cant get his nominee through a R dominated senate that's coming this November.
Buckle up, a 7-2 court just might be coming your way in 2024
I'm not sure how one could call striking down a law that violates teh constitution "legislating" in any case. It's one of the important roles the court plays.
"Your confusion on this issue serves to justify this failure of our government which will hopefully ne addressed eventually. Keep pushing the majority and reap the consequences."
OK I think I am convinced this is a parody account. Can be no other explanation
a court writing radical legislation
The court just struck down radical, unconstitutional legislation, you lying lefturd dipshit.
-jcr
Gosh, it's almost as if we have a system which was specifically designed in such a way that national popular vote and political party membership are irrelevant to all federal elections.
Argue against that if you want, but stop pretending national popular vote is at all relevant.
That's Joe Asshole; if he posts it, it's a lie.
The President nominates SC justices - a right stolen from Obama by the GOP Senate majority (representing a minority of Americans) and then acting in complete opposition toi the supposed principle they claimed for doing this, rushed through and rammed down the throats of Americans the appointment of Barret after voting had begun, the appointee of the projected and actual loser of that election. That's 2 stolen seats, the 1st having kept the court from being majority liberal through 2020, and the latter cementing the crackpot minority viewpoints you all celebrate.
"The President nominates SC justices - a right stolen from Obama by the GOP Senate majority"
Absolutely untrue. He was allowed to nominate Merrick Garland. And based on his activist role he has played at the DOJ, the senate wisely rejected him, as was THEIR right.
Your ignorance of our constitution and government doesn't mean the fairy tale you desire is something that's going to happen.
That's Joe Asshole; lying is what he does.
Jimbo, the Senate did not reject him, which would require a hearing or at least Senators notifying Obama to send another nominee as happened with Harriet whatshername under Bush. That's the advise part of their responsibility.
They didn't do that because their goal was not to deny that nominee but to deny Obama his right to appoint a SC nominee. Of course they didn't have the balls to say that but their actions yield no other explanation. Get it now?
Passive-aggressive rejection is still rejection. They advised and withheld consent, and this was plainly within their purview.
If Senate Democrats didn't appreciate this notion then perhaps it would have been prudent to never set that precedent in the first place. The only proper response to a hoisting by one's own petard is abject laughter.
Joe Asshole lies and presumes knowledge never in evidence.
For all their sins, if keeping a scumbag lefturd apparatchik like Garland off the supreme court was the only thing the Senate Republicans had ever achieved, that puts them firmly on the positive side of the balance sheet.
-jcr
You don't think the Democrats would have done exactly the same thing with Barret if they had been in a position to do so?
The Republicans used Senate procedure to their advantage. Take it up with Senate procedure if you don't like it.
The “National Popular Vote” is less than irrelevant.
It’s non-existent. It’s not a thing at all. It’s a fabricated metric in its entirety.
When someone says “but Muh popular vote!” as an argument, what they’re saying is they wish reality were different, and can be safely ignored for pretty much everything else.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
"Another radical ruling from our illegitimate GOP packed court which represents viewpoints rejected by the majority of Americans in Presidential and Congressional elections."
I wonder if people understand that hyperbolic emotionalism like this is what leads to events like the BLM riots or Jan 6? I also wonder where this kind of narrative comes from? It isn't spontaneous, the structure and repetition is too formulaic and common. Seems like it might come from a singular rule book, maybe something written by radicals?
Non spontaneous and formulaic; yes, As all of us have observed. He’s a 50 Center if I’ve ever seen one. Thus “4 bit” an hour, here not to discuss but to paste the blue talking points.
Cry harder you fucking commie pussy
Gun control is illegitimate.
4 bit is so butt hurt.
Salve up stupid, more to come.
Do feel free to try and ignore SCOTUS and take people's guns, you fucking cowardly piece of lefty chicken shit. I welcome that attempt.
Don't like the make up of SCOTUS? Blame RBG for being a selfish piece of crap and not retiring when there was a chance of getting a liberal replacement.
You lost. Again.
Cry harder, little bitch.
How is your opinion anywhere near libertarianism? What are you even doing here? Go cry into your beer on HuffPo, we're having a party here.
I don't see how the is is possible. Just the other day the experts on this board were mocking me for saying the 2A protects us from gun grabbers who want to do here what they did in Australia. They told me the left was unstoppable and I was stupid to think the Constitution stops the gun grabbers.
So this story is a fake. That or the experts on this board are wrong. And since they're never wrong, the story must be fake.
I would certainly not have been among those who underestimated the will of this court to institute crackpot radical ideas about a "right" based on an archaic and no longer existing institution.
People don't have a right to self defense?
Not explicit in the constitution they don't.
Is that necessary? You don't have a natural right to protect your self, family and property from harm?
If you don't have such a right, then what? Ask robbers to politely leave? Demand that the guy raping your wife use a condom? Call the police and hope they will help you?
We can't depend on government to protect us. As the recent mass shootings have shown, the police only care about going home safely. Fuck everyone else and their children.
So we have to protect ourselves.
sarcasmic, you can claim the right of self protection means you can carry a flame thrower with a grenade gun but it's not an enumerated right that allows you to violate laws you don't like.
Joe Asshole demonstrates his ignorance about the constitution by lying about it.
Tears and lies; it's all Joe Asshole has.
So you do not believe that people have a natural right to protect themselves. People only have rights given to them by government, so if the government says you can't fight back, then you're the one in the wrong when you fight back. Gotcha.
Flame throwers and "grenade guns" are not weapons typical for self defense.
The constitution isn't "explicit" about the internet and gay and trans people. You have abide by the foundational principle.
Flame throwers are considered tools and legal federally. Some states like CA and CT ban them of course, but if in the rest of the country a flame thrower is totally legal.
Actually, it's the State of NY that was violating laws it didn't like! Gotcha!
You don’t understand the constitution, and are it’s enemy, and of the republic. So there is no point discussing this with you.
Joe, there is a country to the north that will welcome you with open arms, that is very much in line with your ideology.
I suggest moving there, as many in this country wont suffer you indefinitely
Jimbo, most Americans agree with me and against this radical court, and therefore with you. I hope you stay, but if you don't like it, you know where the border and bridges are, right?
Joe Asshole assumes repeating a lie turns it into something else. Steaming piles of lefty shit often do.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
They agree with you how? Opinion polling on the subject is so contradictory as to be useless. But on this specific policy? Well:
But it's irrelevant: the Bill of Rights exists to specifically protect things from the mood swings of a fickle people. The text says what the text says, and it means what it plainly means. You will have to marshal support for a new amendment if you don't like what that represents.
You might just as well attempt to reason with a random handful of mud as to do so with Joe Asshole.
Oh, it's not for his benefit. He's an 82-year old toddler throwing a tantrum.
No they don’t.
Again with the lack of understanding. So the majority opinion should rule in all cases? Take 0.5 seconds to ask that question.
JoeB, in the US the majority is meant to select our leaders and our leaders have both a responsibility and a right to select SC justices. The GOP has not represented a national majority in a very long time but have managed through dysfunctional and a-constitutional means (winner take all EC delegates) and outright theft (blocking Obama and Biden from exercising their constitutional duty) to steal the court majority. Those are just fact.
Perhaps you're not aware of another fact, which is that a lowered bar allows anyone to jump over it, regardless of party and you can count on payback at some point.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
That's pretty fucked up.
If you have the right to keep and bear arms generally (which is explicit in the constitution), then you have teh right to keep and bear arms for self defense.
By your argument Zeb there can be no restrictions on guns or any weapons you might deem important for self defense. That has never been the position of any SC, until maybe this radical group of religious nuts who've taken over the court by packing and presidential loser appointments.
Joe Asshole, spreading more bullshit.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
By your argument Zeb there can be no restrictions on guns or any weapons you might deem important for self defense.
When the constitution was written that was the case. You could own any weapon you could afford.
Pretty sure that is exactly what shall not be infringed means. No restrictions, but I'm pragmatic enough to realize this will probably never come back so if we do have restrictions they should always error on insuring maximum liberty. Background checks may be okay (especially if we only limit declination to those with violent felony CONVICTIONS and give a path for people to recover their rights after they finished their sentence, the same as we should for voting).
The court took a long time to figure out that Separate but Equal was bullshit too, but it was still the right decision.
Yeah, the argument that precedence can't be overturned seems to ignore Brown and similar cases.
The lefties ignore those cases when convenient. Hypocrisy is an essential aspect of their opinions.
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
From Friday's point of view the only rights we have are the ones enumerated in the Constitution, and the government has power only limited by those enumerated rights.
It's the polar opposite of the government of enumerated powers for the purpose of protecting unenumerated rights that the Constitution was intended to create.
He also appears to believe that even when the constitution does explicitly enumerate a right, it doesn't really mean it.
and how can we forget:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
You couldn't be more wrong about this if you tried, but you have no sense of shame and so don't care.
Joe Asshole lies; Joe Asshole is a pathological liar.
1. The Militia, as defined in federal law, does still exist.
2. The second amendment isn't a conditional statement. The first clause is context and the second is the declaration of what the government can't do.
Zeb
1. The militia as defined in the constitution does not exist and has not since at least the Civil War ended.
2. It is clearly a conditional statement which no longer has any meaning and hasn't since at least the Civil War ended.
Joe Asshole, lying abouy the Constitution now. Tears and lies; it's all Joe Asshole has.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
Why are all the rights in the BoR individual rights except the 2A? And if it is not an individual right, why do many state constitutions include the right to keep and bear arms as an individual right?
Pretty odd interpretation of "the people" to refer only to members of a government organized group.
Especially coming from a bunch of guys who were really pissed off about the forced quartering of troops in their houses.
No, you are just wrong about that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903
Happened after the civil war. Not a great law really, but it does define the militia.
So you feel the Constitution is archaic.
Maybe you prefer Sharia law.
We'd be better off if the government established by the Constitution were dissolved.
Fuck you, Joe. Self-defense is the paramount human right. Without it, all other rights are moot, and can be violated at the whim of politicians and scumbag toadies like you.
-jcr
Yes John, but how it is achieved is not without limitations. For instance, the court in this very ruling allowed to stand a restriction based on age.
Joe Asshole is a lying pile of lefty shit. Insult Joe Asshole, do not engage him. Give him exactly what he deserves.
Joe Friday wants your guns and doesn't give a shit what you think.
Joe Friday is either an FBI plant trying to drum up death threats or an Alinsky programmed AI.
It starts with outright lies, then moves the goalposts, then changes the subject. Every time. Dissemble, deflect, distract. It is the perfect lefty. It is a pretend personae. Nobody is that obtuse.
Olberdouche says states should have been able to just ignore Roe v. Wade, or any other SCOTUS decision they didn't like.
https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/1539983585406484480
A millennial bot at the nyt writes that this decision was based on a "broad interpretation" of the second amendment. Lmao.
Slightly different talking point than Joe Friday who's calling it "radical". Wonder what they'll finally settle on.
They urged the Court to invalidate New York's gun control scheme both because it violated the Second Amendment and because it disparately harmed black and Hispanic people who carried firearms for self-defense.
If framing it as an issue where minorities are being oppressed is the only way to get the left on board, then so be it.
Doesn't matter. Minorities are only used when convenient.
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What I found funny was the gov saying New York should be able to make its own laws about guns.
Since when was she a state's rights person? She does not think state's rights should apply to abortion. I'm pretty sure she would think an amendment to the Constitution regarding equal rights for trans people would usurp state laws that don't want trans rights.
This ruling affects those who are trying to follow the legal process. The ruling does not affect those who buy guns illegally.
The ruling does not affect those who are doing the shooting now.
There will be little difference after this ruling.
The ruling does allow people who would otherwise be unarmed to have the ability to defend themselves, and that could stop a mass shooting.
Perhaps.
There are still many hoops to jump.
"...There will be little difference after this ruling."
Not sure.
Since c/c becomes less of a hassle, those currently shooting others may have to learn that others are no longer un-armed prey.
It may well have a very positive effect.
The vote was 6-3 and yet the debate isn't along party lines? I suppose you could say it's surprising Roberts actually voted with his fellow Republican nominated judges, but still
The people I associate with may not be typical (in fact I'm fairly sure they aren't), but I will say that pretty much all of my lefty friends are pretty pro-gun rights.
Zeb, by far most Americans favor tightening regulations on guns - just as they do maintaining Roe v Wade. Unfortunately the court has been captured by religious radicals who represent a minority viewpoint.
Poor Joe Asshole. Tears and lies!
It's all the steaming pile of lefty shit has.
So, two thoughts.
If the people wish to maintain Roe v. Wade they will be able to do so in the legislature. Please take any amount of time to understand the consequences of Roe v. Wade, even the basic facts on what it did and what overturning it would mean.
Second, both with guns and abortion any specifics divide up pretty quickly. So, if you ask "do you want more gun control?" people say yes. If you name any specific type of gun control regulation, people tend to say no.
Yeah, this.
People are pretty heavily for strong restrictions on abortion after ~15 weeks. By the same polling they also say they are in favor of maintaining Roe v. Wade, shorthand for the current abortion regime which often makes said regulations impossible. People are silly, which is why we don't govern via opinion poll.
by far most Americans favor tightening regulations on guns
*barf*
Most Americans have no idea what the existing gun regulations are.
Thank god Trump won in 2016. The winning is monumental so far.
He wasn't a great prez but the judges alone made a huge difference.
Without the stolen seats this is a liberal court, as it should be.
Isn't it wonderful when lying piles of lefty shit are left in tears?
Eat shit and die, Joe Asshole.
All of the seats are constitutionally appointed.
This is not a liberal court.
You lost again, motherfucker. That just keeps happening to you. Maybe you should reassess the strength of your positions.
Welcome to politics, fag.
Politics does not include refusing to perform constitutional responsibilities Not Wearing.
You didn't bitch when the lefturds spiked Robert Bork's nomination, did you?
-jcr
But that's different because reasons. Mainly that it was a Republican appointment and we all know democracy only applies if it's a Democratic appointment or policy.
soldier you ignorant fuck, Bork was given a hearing and he was voted down. You understand that garland was not and the target for the GOP wasn't him but the President who's right and responsibility to appoint SC justices was blocked. 4+ years later the GOP rushed through the appointment of Garret while the election was underway, making a complete mockery of their claimed reason for blocking Obama and a joke of their constitutional obligation and of this radical court.
You don't know fuck about recent history and don't care about constitutional principles or the issues.
If Joe Asshole posts something which is not a lie, it's copied from someone with a brain, or simply an accident.
Do not engage, Asshole; insult him.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
John, Bork was voted down in a hearing. In the case of Garland - who had been recently approved for a district court seat on a bi-partisan basis and with plenty of GOP praise - was not given a hearing or even interviewed by Senate members. They were not required to consent by the constitution but they were required to advise, meaning approve or not so another could be nominated. The goal of the GOP was not to block Garland but to block Obama from naming a SC justice. That's a violation of the clear intent of the constitution and dirty trick we can count on being repeated in the future by both parties. Lowering the bar for behavior let's all in.
Joe Asshole lies. It's what Joe Asshole does. Do not engage the lying pile of lefty shit Joe Asshole; insult him.
Eat shit and die, Asshole
The tears flow again, just like 2016. How about the lamentation of the women? One lament will do.
"He wasn't a great prez but the judges alone made a huge difference."
Disagreed.
Didn't like him one bet and still probably would be in the same room with him, but he did more for liberty than any POTUS since probably silent Cal.
Thanks for mentioning Coolidge, he's often sadly forgotten.
"would" should be "wouldn't"
Practical effect of this ruling?
for 27 states already with permitless constitutional carry.... none
If this doesn't make apparent how stupid the left is, nothing will. Twitter is preparing for WW3 with all these newfound packers. Over half the country allows carry without a permit, and almost all of the country can get a permit without much effort. The level of hyperbole coming out makes you think that all of those states are littered with gunfight victims.
>littered with gunfight victims.
Well, the cities in which these losers inhabit certainly are.
Liberal tears. Pairs well with K-Y.
Not what democracies about Not Wearing, though I do enjoy the continued squealing from Donnie Fatso.
Is Trump banging your wife/husband/hamster?
If Joe Asshole has a wife, probably not even Tony would put it in her.
Poor crying Joe Asshole assumes someone else is whining; fucking ignoramus.
Let's just say I was expecting more from Heller than we saw.
So Joe Asshole is the only steaming pile of dishonest lefty shit to show up lying and crying?
What a shame!
I saw how many comments were in this article and I was wondering which of the usual agitators were spreading their shit all over the ground. I hope Joe is getting overtime for this!
Joe's such an expert on this he thinks the 5.56 mm is a hi powered cartridge that is uniquely deadly compared to every other caliber ever created. It's a special bullet, obviously.
It's so deadly that the US military has been trying to replace it for decades and has finally done so, mainly because it isn't very lethal.
Thanks for compliment Super, but I don't get paid for kicking ass. I just like doing it.
Haha, the only ass you kick is your own. Your ignorance is legendary around here. It's a running joke, people ridicule it even when you aren't posting. You're a fucking joke, idiot. And not even clever with this response. My 6th grader would have come up with a more clever response.
Also, it's not original, and very predictable.
Just for you soldier, you ignorant twit:
" I have been a radiologist in one of the busiest trauma centers in the United States for 13 years, and have diagnosed thousands of handgun injuries to the brain, lung, liver, spleen, bowel, and other vital organs. ...
In a typical handgun injury, which I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ such as the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, gray bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.
I was looking at a CT scan of one of the mass-shooting victims from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, and was bleeding extensively. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?
The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle that delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. Nothing was left to repair—and utterly, devastatingly, nothing could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.
A year ago, when a gunman opened fire at the Fort Lauderdale airport with a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun, hitting 11 people in 90 seconds, I was also on call. It was not until I had diagnosed the third of the six victims who were transported to the trauma center that I realized something out of the ordinary must have happened. The gunshot wounds were the same low-velocity handgun injuries that I diagnose every day; only their rapid succession set them apart. And all six of the victims who arrived at the hospital that day survived.
Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.
I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange..."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
That's the way the truth usually is. You're the one twisting himself into a pretzel trying to ignore the laws of physics.
Joe Asshole lies. It's what Joe Asshole does.
Do not engage the pathological liar, simply reply with insults as Asshole deserves.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
You should have used him.
Major General Paul Eaton was the commander in charge of training Iraqi troops during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
"Those opposed to assault weapon bans continue to play games with AR-15 semantics, pretending there’s some meaningful differences between it and the M4 carbine that the military carries. There really aren’t.
The military began a transition from the M16 to the M4, an improved M16, some years ago. The AR-15 is essentially the civilian version of the M16. The M4 is really close to the M16, and the AR-15.
So what’s the difference between the military’s M4 and the original AR-15? Barrel length and the ability to shoot three round bursts. M4s can shoot in three round bursts. AR-15s can only shoot a single shot.
But even now, you can buy AR-15s in variable barrel lengths with Weaver or Picatinny rails for better sights and aiming assists like lasers. Like the military, but w/o the bayonet.
But our troops usually use single shot, not burst fire. You’re able to fire a much more accurate (deadly) shot, that way. Note: you can buy our Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight on Amazon. So troops usually select the same fire option available on AR-15.
That is why the AR-15 is ACCURATELY CALLED a ‘weapon of war.’ It is a very deadly weapon with the same basic functionality that our troops use to kill the enemy. Don’t take the bait when anti-gun-safety folks argue about it. They know it’s true. Now you do too."
Joe Asshole lies. It's what Joe Asshole does.
Do not engage the pathological liar, simply reply with insults as Asshole desevers.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
"...I was wondering which of the usual *assholes* were spreading their shit..."
Fixed
https://twitter.com/Arianedevogue/status/1540054920816197633?t=15ru91sIIin52jWJH1M6Dw&s=19
here's an appellate law earthquake: On the day Paul Clement won major gun case, his law firm Kirkland & Ellis said it would "no longer represent clients with respect to matters involving the 2n Amendment" Paul is leaving along with Erin Murphy, a star litigator in her own right
A well balanced breakfast, being necessary to the start of a healthy day, the right of the people to keep and eat food shall not be infringed.
Perfect!
We could have used that (often, all too often) as part of the Heller chatter.
Love it!
Glad to see Thomas actually bring in comparison of restrictions on 2A compared to other rights and contrast how those restrictions wouldn't fly for other amendments. Wish they would stress shall not be infringed but nice to see the courts acknowledge that the 2A is subjected to rights no other Amendment is. A right subject to restrictions is not a right. Maybe the courts will start using this as a litmus, we could only hope.
The Constitution explicitly ties the right to the militia which is elsewhere defined in the Constitution. It has not existed for a very very long time and the right is therefore archaic and moot.
*barf*
Stand there in your wrongness and be wrong and get used to it.
Joe Asshole lies and repeats the same lie in the hopes that it will somehow transmogrify to other than a lie.
Joe Asshole is a pathological liar too stupid to understand his lie has been shown to be bullshit.
Fuck off and die Joe Asshole.
Bullshit, it does not. It doesn't state that at all, states a militia being necessary to the free state; the rights of the people (note it doesn't say fucking militia asshole, it says the people) to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The constitution also doesn't define the militia just grants the states the right to raise a militia and the federal government to call it up in times of emergency. It doesn't say what the militia is. Congress however has in four different laws, known as the militia laws, which state the militia is all able bodied men 17-45. However it doesn't limit the militia only to those classes but makes it explicit that they belong to the militia. You've been fucking told this multiple times with multiple fucking citations. Yet you keep saying the same wrong bullshit. It is almost like you are fucking a liar, or to stupid to learn. Which is it?
How many times has Joe Friday been proven wrong about his assertion regarding the militia clause? Every fucking time he brings it up. Sevo is right he just is a fucking liar.
Also Heller has already settled this, that the 2A, no matter how much fuckheads like Joe insist otherwise, is not about a militia, that the militia clause was explanatory but not definitive. The definitive clause was the rights of the people. It was only the rights of the states to raise a militia it was redundant, since that right had already been covered, and it wouldn't have had the comma after the militia and it wouldn't state the rights of the people, instead it would read the rights of the state, like in the 10A. In every other amendment that uses the phrase the people, it is clear that meant citizens not the state.
"...Also Heller has already settled this, that the 2A, no matter how much fuckheads like Joe insist otherwise,.."
Joe Asshole will insist regardless of information.
Joe Asshole is a dishonest lying, stupid pile of lefty shit who will repeat lies ad infinitum in the hopes someone as stupid as he will accept his bullshit.
To be clear, Joe Asshole is not stupid like, oh, sarc is stupid; Joe Asshole is profoundly stupid such as to be incapable of recognizing how stupid he is.
And to take it even further, Hamilton, every proggies favorite founding father, states in the federalist papers (the papers written to explain the constitution to the people to get it ratified) that who are the militia? We all are the militia. So, even if it was somehow about the militia (which it wasn't) the writers clearly defined the militia as all abled body men. And that makes a whole lot of sense because that was how it was viewed in English Common Law and before, all the way back to Anglo-Saxon conquest of England in the 6th century AD. Back then the militia was known as the fyrd and was all free born males, who provided their own arms in defense of the land, when their lord called them up. This was also how the colonies raised troops during all the colonial wars and Indian Wars, dating back to Jamestown and Plymouth Colony foundations. The Royal Governor would request so many troops to be raised from the militia, the colonial assemblies would authorize funding and militia officers would call up the militia, who were expected to provide their own arms. Any other definition of militia is inconsistent with the history or usage of the word at the time. The colonist had fought three colonial wars, and two major indian Wars and the revolution using this system in the 18th century alone. The fought at least that many in the 17th century. And in every single one of those the militia was all able bodied males who provided their own arms.
In other words Joe just said he knows nothing about history without saying he knows nothing about history.
Read about the French Indian Wars, the War of Jenkins Ears, Queen Anne's War, King William's War, King Phillip's War etc for reference.
History is not the present and all your references are from over 200 years ago. The militia as defined in the constitution has not existed since at least the Civil War. The Constitution is the law of the land, not the Federalist papers.
PS I told you all that Sevo was soldier's sock puppet. Same beliefs and attitude, same inability to discuss an issue dispassionately.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Heller was legislation written by Scalia and overturned 200+ years of court rulings.
"Clause 15
Clause 15. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.
Clause 16
Clause 16. The Congress shall have Power * * * To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
That militia has not existed for well over 100 years
Joe Asshole full of shit and is incapable of telling the truth. Joe Asshole is a pathological liar.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Quoting from Dred Scott and talk about going armed to school. I would guess that Thomas needs to wear the robe, as his old guys balls must be dragging on the ground by now.
Yeah, I'm also happy to see the racism of gun control also being addressed. Gun control from its roots was mainly passed to keep minorities from owning guns. And it's always been applied in a racist manner that causes disparate impacts on minority groups. I usually don't put much stock in disparate impact, but with gun control it's hard to deny it.
Wanna bet if we check that the ACLU defended Black Panthers against gun charges?
Maybe in the 1970s they might have. They did join the NRA in the 1990s in suing Texas over their blatantly racist concealed carry law, so at one time they occasionally took 2A cases.
According to the state, a "generalized" wish to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense purposes was not sufficient to meet the proper cause standard.
"Oh, very well. That wish is specifically based on Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Now we need recognition that "we know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after" obtaining a license.
For tonight, it's fun to just watch the heads of leftists explode.
And watching Joe Asshole cry.
For a good chuckle, read the comments on the Washington Post articles about this decision, but do it tonight, because the world’s apparently gonna end tomorrow, per the commentariat.
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OK, cool for NY. But what about those of us that live in States that essentially ban carry? How is this going to change things here in the Peoples Republic of New Jersey?
For that ignorant fool soldier/Sevo:
ou should have used him.
Major General Paul Eaton was the commander in charge of training Iraqi troops during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
"Those opposed to assault weapon bans continue to play games with AR-15 semantics, pretending there’s some meaningful differences between it and the M4 carbine that the military carries. There really aren’t.
The military began a transition from the M16 to the M4, an improved M16, some years ago. The AR-15 is essentially the civilian version of the M16. The M4 is really close to the M16, and the AR-15.
So what’s the difference between the military’s M4 and the original AR-15? Barrel length and the ability to shoot three round bursts. M4s can shoot in three round bursts. AR-15s can only shoot a single shot.
But even now, you can buy AR-15s in variable barrel lengths with Weaver or Picatinny rails for better sights and aiming assists like lasers. Like the military, but w/o the bayonet.
But our troops usually use single shot, not burst fire. You’re able to fire a much more accurate (deadly) shot, that way. Note: you can buy our Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight on Amazon. So troops usually select the same fire option available on AR-15.
That is why the AR-15 is ACCURATELY CALLED a ‘weapon of war.’ It is a very deadly weapon with the same basic functionality that our troops use to kill the enemy. Don’t take the bait when anti-gun-safety folks argue about it. They know it’s true. Now you do too."
and:
Just for you soldier, you ignorant twit:
" I have been a radiologist in one of the busiest trauma centers in the United States for 13 years, and have diagnosed thousands of handgun injuries to the brain, lung, liver, spleen, bowel, and other vital organs. ...
In a typical handgun injury, which I diagnose almost daily, a bullet leaves a laceration through an organ such as the liver. To a radiologist, it appears as a linear, thin, gray bullet track through the organ. There may be bleeding and some bullet fragments.
I was looking at a CT scan of one of the mass-shooting victims from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, who had been brought to the trauma center during my call shift. The organ looked like an overripe melon smashed by a sledgehammer, and was bleeding extensively. How could a gunshot wound have caused this much damage?
The reaction in the emergency room was the same. One of the trauma surgeons opened a young victim in the operating room, and found only shreds of the organ that had been hit by a bullet from an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle that delivers a devastatingly lethal, high-velocity bullet to the victim. Nothing was left to repair—and utterly, devastatingly, nothing could be done to fix the problem. The injury was fatal.
A year ago, when a gunman opened fire at the Fort Lauderdale airport with a 9 mm semiautomatic handgun, hitting 11 people in 90 seconds, I was also on call. It was not until I had diagnosed the third of the six victims who were transported to the trauma center that I realized something out of the ordinary must have happened. The gunshot wounds were the same low-velocity handgun injuries that I diagnose every day; only their rapid succession set them apart. And all six of the victims who arrived at the hospital that day survived.
Routine handgun injuries leave entry and exit wounds and linear tracks through the victim’s body that are roughly the size of the bullet. If the bullet does not directly hit something crucial like the heart or the aorta, and the victim does not bleed to death before being transported to our care at the trauma center, chances are that we can save him. The bullets fired by an AR-15 are different: They travel at a higher velocity and are far more lethal than routine bullets fired from a handgun. The damage they cause is a function of the energy they impart as they pass through the body. A typical AR-15 bullet leaves the barrel traveling almost three times faster than—and imparting more than three times the energy of—a typical 9mm bullet from a handgun. An AR-15 rifle outfitted with a magazine with 50 rounds allows many more lethal bullets to be delivered quickly without reloading.
I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange..."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/what-i-saw-treating-the-victims-from-parkland-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
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Eat shit and die, Asshole.
BTW, you'll now notice that the lying pile of lefty shit Joe Asshole, formerly a "builder", now claims to 'diagnose' gun-shot wounds almost daily!
Isn't Joe Asshole a wonder?!
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Out of curiosity would it be legal for a state to require all members of the unorganized militia to only open carry unless otherwise allowed to conceal carry, or unless activated and ordered to conceal carry by the Command in Chief?
Hit submit too soon.
As covered under the "well regulated" part of the 2nd amendment?
This would encompass almost all adult males between the ages of 17 and 45, who make up the majority of shooters.
Well at least youre all hating on SCOTUS and off my ass for a while.
A President cant get a break.
But Ill find some way to Screw the Pooch next week.
Maybe I'll raise your gas prices another dollar.
I have lots of gas, I dont care!
Someone should tell the Rhode Island Governor and Legislature of the SCOTUS decision as he just signed a law raising the age to legally acquire a firearm to 21. Either you are a legal adult at 18 or you are not.
As a policy, I think this is good: people ought to have a right to self-defense.
As a legal matter, I think this is wrong because it relies on incorporation.
And as a political matter, I think rulings like this are dangerous, because they turn contentious issues into winner-take-all national fights.
Overall, it would be best if SCOTUS left gun regulation to the states, just like abortion, drugs, marriage, and other issues not explicitly delegated to the federal government.
Undaunted, and with a rigid devotion resembling love to being a respondent at SCOTUS, those freedom fighters in the New York Legislature passed new gun control legislation including Stat. Sec. 265.01-e, which lists all the "sensitive locations" at which carrying firearms is prohibited. Had it listed the locations at which carrying firearms is allowed, the law would be shorter by many pages.
Yep. The SCOTUS has no teeth. They can't enforce jack shit. And with the current administration willfully and openly disregarding legal doctrine... Well you know what ensues.