California's Competitors
Miami and Austin lured people away from California. But the new tech hubs could end up repeating San Francisco’s mistakes.

It's easy to understand why people moved to California—and it's just as easy to understand why they are now leaving.
In the 1950s, planned developments of sprawling single-family ranch houses sprung up throughout California. Postwar abundance meant normal people could have garages and swimming pools. Real estate magnates set their sights on creating full towns, with all the modern amenities, out of sparsely populated ranchland. Jobs, meanwhile, were abundant—defense, entertainment, infrastructure, service, and engineering, specifically semiconductors.
This was the dream of postwar California: sunny, sprawling, full of opportunity, and, if not quite cheap, within the reach of the comfortably employed middle class. That was true even in booming urban locales like San Francisco. In 1997, for example, when the city was still a quite-desirable major metropolitan hub, the inflation-adjusted median home price was $508,000.
In the quarter-century since, that dream has become increasingly out of reach. The median home value in San Francisco in 2022 is above $1.5 million, according to the Zillow Home Value Index, which shows home values rising by more than 10 percent in the past year alone. In nearby San Jose, Redfin reports a median home price of $1.45 million—but home values have risen by a staggering 24 percent in the last year. Today's Bay Area is simply unaffordable for most people, in part because California regulations hinder new construction and in part because natural geographical constraints reduce the total amount of buildable space; San Francisco has a huge housing supply shortage that shows no signs of being remedied soon.
Pair this with complaints that the city has failed to handle its homelessness problem, leading to open-air drug scenes and massive tent encampments in neighborhoods like the Tenderloin. One in every 100 San Franciscans is homeless, and California is a national outlier in terms of what proportion of the homeless population is actively "unsheltered," as in, sleeping on the streets or under highway overpasses. In San Francisco, 73 percent of the city's homeless population is considered unsheltered. That's not normal, even for a big city: In New York City, the figure is about 3 percent.
And then there was the pandemic, which made many big tech offices obsolete: Twitter, Yelp, and Airbnb attempted to sublease their expensive Bay Area office spaces. Pinterest paid almost $90 million in the third quarter of 2020 to break the lease of their almost 500,000-square-foot office space. For many workers, the value of living in San Francisco dropped. Why pay a premium to live near an office you aren't going to?
Finally, there was the broader sense, especially among high-value tech workers, that San Francisco and its neighbors were uninterested and unresponsive, focused only on extracting from their most productive citizens in the form of high taxes, which fund poor city services. In the last few years, many have simply grown tired of paying exorbitant taxes for the privilege of living in California—one that now bestows little in return.
Hence the Golden State exodus. In 2021, for the first time ever, California lost a congressional seat. The state didn't technically lose population, but it didn't have the same growth rate as the rest of the country.
Booming cities like Miami, Florida, and Austin, Texas, have been the beneficiaries of this exodus. Housing costs play an outsized role in migration patterns: San Francisco's price per square foot hovered around $924 in January 2022. In Miami, it's about $300 per square foot, and in Austin, it's about $330 per square foot.
But the shift also owes something to responsive governance. Leaders of other cities have actively courted the movers. In December 2020, venture capitalist Delian Asparouhov tweeted "ok guys hear me out, what if we move silicon valley to miami." Miami Mayor Francis Suarez responded promptly, "How can I help?"
Yet as Bay Area tech workers depart, it remains an open question whether those new pastures will truly be greener. The city of Austin has faced rising housing costs, stemming in part from restrictions on development. Miami has struggled with corruption and policing problems. San Francisco's urban competitors are cheaper, for now, but there are already worrying signs that the cities luring tech's highly mobile, highly desirable workers are already poised to repeat many of the same mistakes that drove so many Californians away.
Mess With Texas?
Some Golden State emigrés set their sights on Texas, the land that promises no state income tax, some of the lowest corporate tax rates in the country, and plentiful land for building headquarters and factories.
At the beginning of the pandemic, Tesla built a factory on the outskirts of Austin. Founder Elon Musk now flits back and forth between Austin and Boca Chica, a rural South Texas town he's successfully colonized for SpaceX purposes. Venture capitalist Luke Nosek, a co-founder of Paypal and member of SpaceX's board, had moved to the Austin area years prior. Tech-adjacent writers and thinkers and podcasters, like Tim Ferriss, Ryan Holiday, and Joe Rogan, took up residence too, some of them before it was trendy to do so.
Joe Lonsdale was one of many tech-industry founders who moved his firm, 8VC, and most of its employees to Austin soon after. 8VC has funded the work management platform Asana, the telehealth company Hims, and the virtual reality company Oculus. Lonsdale is also one of the co-founders of Palantir, the oft-criticized company that creates software that sifts through and makes sense of complex data sets, which has controversially been used by police departments, the military, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
"Austin has a few advantages in housing; first of all, it started from a much lower price base," says Lonsdale. "Geographically, Austin has a lot more ability to expand supply." There's very little land preservation in Austin compared to San Francisco (which Lonsdale says may not be a good thing, exactly; both extremes are perhaps undesirable). "There's no CEQA. There's not, like, crazy things," he adds, referring to the California Environmental Quality Act passed in 1970.
At the time of its passage, CEQA was pitched as a way to protect the state's natural preserves from state-backed building projects by requiring extensive studies of environmental impact. But it eventually became a major legal blockade for private development, since it empowered any individual or interest group, including unions and environmental activists, to demand expensive, time-consuming environmental reviews, often with implicit demands for concessions from the developers. This, combined with real geographical constraints in cities like San Francisco, has contributed to California's high and rising housing costs.
But just because Austin doesn't have to deal with CEQA or land boundaries like San Francisco's doesn't mean it's an easy place to build. If anything, it's been becoming more difficult for decades.
A common refrain among both urban policy wonks and ordinary residents is that Austin is like San Francisco in the '90s. Those who migrated to the city and bought early stand to gain from the soaring housing prices, but many others are getting priced out or pushed farther from the city center. Road congestion is unworkable, and the city has expanded north to south, meaning huge arteries like Mopac and Interstate 35 maintain miserable stand-stills between the hours of 3 and 7 p.m. Austin property values are currently nowhere near San Francisco's, but rising fast, and it's not hard to imagine where this path leads.
So in 2012, Austin city officials saw the writing on the wall and proactively tried to remedy these problems by moving toward a zoning code rewrite. The 30-year-old code had outlasted its usefulness, and with massive population growth, city planners needed to allow for much more density.
The city's newly proposed zoning code was dubbed CodeNEXT, as part of a forward-looking urban revitalization plan, Imagine Austin. The new code aimed to reduce the strict separations between Austin's residential and commercial corridors, allowing for more mixed-use buildings and more housing overall.
It would've scrapped single-family zoning restrictions in many areas, allowing for duplexes, triplexes, fourplexes, and apartment buildings to be built in their stead; it would've allowed for urban in-fill instead of forcing newcomers to gravitate toward far-flung suburbs; it would've reduced or eliminated minimum parking requirements in some places too. It wasn't exactly an urbanist's dream—some criticized it for not going far enough with regard to density—but it was a reasonable step toward that ideal.
The proposal was far too good and sensible to be true, or at least to be popular. "Plans to add more Missing Middle housing (like townhouses, bungalows, and tri- and fourplexes) became more and more limited as draft iterations went on," Strong Towns' Aubrey Byron writes of CodeNEXT. "Another urbanist goal—to remove parking requirements—was also thwarted."
Austin has a car-reliant suburban development pattern despite its size, argues Daniel Herriges, also at Strong Towns. So growth, which leads to congestion, leads to "dispersed benefits, but concentrated harms" for existing residents. Opposition to new development takes hold; the NIMBYs, responding to incentives, come out of the woodwork.
Anti-developer sentiment and concerns about neighborhood character changing took root.
In my neighborhood, Holly, which is about two miles east of downtown, signs popped up all over the place urging residents to oppose the zoning rewrite, stoking fears that massive high-rise apartment buildings could dwarf our Craftsman-style cottages.
"Through its three revisions and the ensuing waves of protest, the CodeNEXT team was forced to make changes that compromised the plan's ability to deliver on its promises in an attempt to satisfy multiple constituencies," writes Herriges.
By 2018, the project was dead in the water, having been met with fierce opposition primarily from neighborhood preservationists and homeowners, who had seen their homes double in price over the last five or 10 years.
Instead of spurring growth by loosening restrictions on development, Austin chose to subsidize cheaper housing, breaking ground on a paltry 1,755 new units of affordable housing and acquiring an additional 1,197 over the span of 2020–21. But no new land development code has been agreed upon, and the city's real estate developers have grown increasingly restless, angered by long permitting times and onerous inspection and fee requirements.
"You can't subsidize your way out of housing affordability," former City Councilwoman Ellen Troxclair, who served during the zoning wars, tells me, noting that's the approach Austin's current leaders have chosen while also hesitating to come up with zoning solutions.
Land development and zoning necessitate nuanced conversations about the best way to effectively manage what Troxclair calls "inevitable growth." But without clear communication and leadership from city officials, "residents were left to fear the worst" about what zoning code reform would do to their home values and residential areas. "The people who paid the price for it are low- and middle-income people who have now been priced out of their homes," since density is not the city of Austin's objective.
Still, developers are working within the political constraints they've been handed without waiting for code reforms. They may not be building dense, urban-neighborhood middle-class housing as many urbanists would like, but they are experimenting with smaller micro-units—355-square-foot studios and 486-square-foot one-bedrooms, the likes of which you'd normally find in Manhattan—on the East side and with super-tall skyscrapers downtown. In my neighborhood, the last decade has seen plots divided into "A" and "B" units that form condominium associations with each other. This might seem absurd, but it's a useful legal workaround that allows an area proximate to downtown to get the desired density without having to engage in as many political squabbles.
The developer workarounds have allowed the city to keep growing. But the policy environment has made it more difficult than necessary.
"I cannot tell you how many times I heard Mayor [Steve] Adler say we don't want to become the next San Francisco," Troxclair says. "But the steps that they took and the decisions that they made, they have absolutely followed in the city of San Francisco's footsteps."
Become a Florida Man?
Like Texas, Florida holds the allure of no state income tax—something that clearly influences the decision making of venture capitalists. Recent migrants include Founders Fund partner Keith Rabois, cryptocurrency bull Anthony Pompliano, investor Dan Sundheim, and private equity financier Antonio Gracias, who serves on the board of SpaceX and, up until recently, Tesla. Companies like TikTok, Microsoft, Apple, and Spotify are all either creating new presences in Florida or massively expanding their existing footprints. The South Florida aerospace tech scene is booming too. Varda Space Industries, which aims to build a zero-gravity manufacturing facility in orbit around the planet, is hoping to move operations from Los Angeles to Miami sometime within the next 18 months.
Some of this boom can be attributed to Miami's enterprising mayor, Francis Suarez, who has tried to woo California's tech class to the city. After his Twitter conversation with Asparouhov, the mayor bought billboards in the Bay Area that read, "Thinking of moving to Miami? DM me"—jokingly suggesting that dissatisfied residents should hit him up.
Suarez is clearly keen to sell his city. But governance is another issue.
Asparouhov, who actually did end up moving to Miami following his exchange with Suarez (and a fruitful visit), concedes that the mayor isn't really the one responsible, per se, for the burgeoning tech scene.
"I'd attribute it all to the Cubans fleeing Fidel Castro having very similar values to hypercapitalist technology investors, founders, executives. That completely by-chance overlap is like 95 percent of the reason why this is showing so much success," Asparouhov tells me.
Indeed, Suarez's job as mayor is just a part-time role, and the Miami-Dade County mayor, who makes decisions affecting a much greater population, has much more power. For governance of the limited area deemed Miami proper, five nonpartisan city commissioners pass ordinances and adopt regulations, working in conjunction with Suarez. "The Miami mayorship," Asparouhov says, "doesn't have significant policy or political power to influence how the city itself actually runs."
And unfortunately, the way the city actually runs is mostly through dysfunction and corruption that may ultimately put a ceiling on the city's growth and allure. If Miami goes the way of San Francisco, even just partially, it will be because of failures of urban governance.
Take the saga of Art Acevedo, the Cuban-American police chief Suarez poached from Houston in March 2021. The Department of Justice (DOJ) had just ended its oversight of the Miami Police Department (MPD) following a 2016 string of police killings when Acevedo made the move. The DOJ had been investigating the MPD's excessive use of force and working to improve its handling of wrongful police conduct. After the city cycled through six different police chiefs over the course of 11 years, hopes were high that Acevedo, who Suarez described as "the Tom Brady or the Michael Jordan of police chiefs" to The Miami Herald, would be the one to help the city reform police department practices.
Instead, Acevedo canned and demoted several high-ranking officers and tried to change things up so that MPD would be tasked with investigating police shootings rather than the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. He angered city commissioners, comparing them to Cuban dictators. He accidentally—or so he claims—posed for a photo with a member of the Proud Boys. For all this and more, Acevedo was fired from his position in October of the same year. And that was when the real drama started.
Acevedo sent a memo around that same time alleging that city commissioners had been tampering with investigations into internal affairs. In it, "Acevedo accused Miami Commissioners Joe Carollo, Manolo Reyes and Alex Diaz de la Portilla of abusing their office, specifically of using the code enforcement department, to attack their political enemies and critics," reported South Florida watchdog outlet Political Cortadito.
Acevedo alleged the commissioners interfered with his efforts to reform MPD and frequently used the police department to target and harass certain businesses. The Miami-Dade State Attorney's office, to which Acevedo sent a copy of his memo, opened up an investigation into the city commissions two months later, in December 2021. But investigations have been stymied by the discovery that "one of the state attorney's insiders is apparently the brother of someone who could be a material witness to the corruption," according to Political Cortadito.
It's a Russian nesting doll of alleged corruption, with Acevedo standing accused of bad practices, then him accusing city commissioners of abusing their station to attack political enemies, then the very people sent to investigate said city commissioners finding conflicts of interest that impede their own ability to investigate.
Coincidentally, December 2021 was the same month that San Francisco's former Director of Public Works Mohammed Nuru pleaded guilty to accepting bribes and kickbacks in an almost two-year federal corruption case that elucidated problems within city governance there. The probe is ongoing, and a dozen other San Francisco city government officials either have been or may soon be charged with corruption-related crimes.
Miami and San Francisco are by no means the only two major American cities that get embroiled in corruption scandals filled with self-dealing bad actors who steal funds, dole out special favors for people they know, or attempt to skirt the consequences of their actions. This is an all-too-common tale. But numerous sources I spoke with pointed to Miami's old-boy network that can lend itself to decision making based on patronage instead of prudent policy.
Many of the tech guys "see Miami for the glitz and glamor…which is historically how it's been sold, but there's a lot of dysfunction here," says Joshua Ceballos, a reporter for the Miami New Times. "Things take forever in government unless you grease the wheels or know somebody who knows somebody."
Miami-Dade governance is all about "connections and dynasties," Ceballos says, noting that developers wield a ton of power that can lead to tensions with long-time residents, especially as housing prices rise.
As for Suarez, "you've got to respect his ability to draw in these people with this promise of what Miami could be," says Ceballos, but focusing too much on this promise shows people are "divorced from reality" in terms of actually understanding how the city is run.
Though Suarez's bold energy has been heralded as a breath of fresh air, there are surely ways the mayor could've gotten in front of some of these problems. For example, Acevedo's track record in Houston provided clear signs of the sort of troubles he would bring to Miami. While in Texas, the police chief repeatedly defended corrupt cops, including a narcotics officer who made up a drug deal in order to excuse a botched raid that killed a middle-aged couple. Acevedo also rejected the idea that there were "systemic" problems in the Houston Police Department's Narcotics Division.
Suarez is also at times perhaps too enchanted by the tech crowd he's trying to lure. When Musk proposed in January 2021, via Twitter, a Boring Company-built underground tunnel to alleviate South Florida's traffic problems, Suarez invited him to sit down and talk about it. Weeks later, they did.
"It would be wonderful if the federal government would involve itself in this project," Suarez told Bloomberg Radio in March 2021, adding that he'd be approaching Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg about the tunnel. It's unclear whether Suarez favors subsidies or incentives to lure Boring Company builders, but that's certainly the implication. But Suarez's power is constrained here too: Miami-Dade County government, not the city of Miami, has jurisdiction over the roads.
And when it comes to housing and infrastructure—two areas where competent city governance really does matter, and can really affect locals' quality of life—Miami falls short, sometimes in catastrophic ways. The most prominent recent example is, of course, the Surfside tower collapse on June 24 of last year, which killed 98 residents and left search-and-rescue teams sorting through the rubble for weeks. In 2018, engineers had warned the building's management about structural problems involving cracking and crumbling of the concrete parking garage located underneath the building, as well as "major structural damage" worth fixing; the needed repairs were quoted to cost $15 million, a bid that the tower's condo association had sat on for 18 months.
And right around the time of the condo tower's collapse, the building was slated to go through Miami Dade County's 40-year recertification process, important especially due to the fact that water and salt air can erode buildings quickly in this part of the country. But flash back to 1981, when the tower was first built, and the developers who worked on the project (who have long since passed away) stood accused of successfully bribing local permitting officials to hurry the project along. Nathan Reiber, one of the lawyer developers behind the project, had not only been rewarded in permits for his political meddlings, but in fact received the keys to the city upon the tower's completion, per his obituary—the diametric opposite of a slap on the wrist, or any sort of legal consequences, which would have been a more appropriate way of handling such malfeasance.
Of course, Miami has gotten some housing policy right in ways that Austin and San Francisco haven't. In 2016, when Barbara Jordan, former Miami-Dade County commissioner, proposed an ordinance that would've required developers to set aside 10 percent of the housing in properties with over 20 total units, wealthy municipalities lodged fierce resistance. Jordan's proposal, which would've needlessly tampered with markets, was defeated, but not really due to some strain of principled free market ideology. Rather, the project "didn't provide enough incentives to developers," reported the Miami New Times, and was repeatedly portrayed by local politicians and in the press as rich residents fighting a policy that would've helped the poor—unintended consequences of tampering with housing markets be damned.
But many cities enact with counterproductive housing policies and fail to stamp out corrupt actors. Miami, at least, has new blood, both in Suarez and in the types he's attracted.
One might think of Miami as a startup at its early stage. "December 2020 was like Miami's seed round," says Asparouhov. "Our sort of series A was like March/April 2021….Maybe we're gearing up for a series B this year." He adds that "if you look at sort of the capital base that is here, it is quite, quite large," pointing to the "New York escapees, hedge fund types."
In terms of weaknesses, Miami lacks good computer science programs like those of the Bay Area, which are "pumping out software engineers by the dozen." Thus, "recruiting still largely means importing for executive and engineering and product positions," Asparouhov says. Others have said the same. "It's hard to find a company that grew to be worth more than $100 billion that wasn't started within a bike ride of a world-class engineering department," one source described as a "Florida expat" told Intelligencer's Benjamin Wallace.
Also, if you move to Miami to be an engineer, "there's more risk associated with it" because there isn't an "unlimited set of companies for you to go to if that one fails." Asparouhov also laments that, at present, "there isn't continuous generation of next-generation founders."
Competition Counts
In some ways, San Francisco remains a strong driver of innovation: Lonsdale points to its preeminence in deep tech stuff, as well as open-source databases and protocols. There's evolution in biology still happening there, and schools like Stanford University and the University of California, Berkeley still generate top talent. Maybe the tech scenes that exist in different cities will become more differentiated, with South Florida serving as fertile ground for crypto and space and Austin remaining strong for prospecting engineering and software sales talent, plus an emerging SpaceX scene on the city's outskirts; early signs indicate that's already the case.
But it's not just that Miami and Austin are competing with California. They're also competing with each other and with every other small- to mid-sized city that a promising young engineer could choose to live in and work from.
More niches drawing different types of talent might spring from the seemingly endless well of options. Or maybe Miami and Austin will savagely go to the mat, Miami the hot new aerospace and crypto titan infused with New York and San Francisco cash; Austin, the more established, grown-up land where large tech corporations have long staked out spaces for second-headquarters, both helped and hindered by the perennial truth that the "weird" city has less sex appeal.
Asparouhov, who points to the rate of growth of his new city as a reason for bullishness, flashes a grin at me, semi-antagonistically adding, "I don't think across any of these dimensions, Austin wins out on, really, anything."
Maybe he's right. But the competition between the two cities, and all the other smaller Bay Area spin-offs, could be something of an inoculating force against bad governance. Some of San Francisco's problems may have been born of the fact that city leaders thought they had a kind of geographic monopoly. "What are you gonna do, NOT live in the vicinity of San Francisco?" they dared talented young coders, realizing they'd get some amount of acquiescence, for some time.
But now they've made the city less pleasant to live in by mishandling homelessness and street crime, restricting housing supply, and instituting overly strict COVID lockdowns and mandates that lingered too long at the same moment that workers realized they had more freedom and leverage than ever before. The tech migration has acted as a referendum on urban governance that takes innovators and wealth-generators for granted.
Both things could be true at once: that the California tech dream is dead and that attempts to replicate what Silicon Valley once was will turn out futile. It could be the case that scrappy startups of young engineers in hoodies coding out of garages will no longer exist the way they used to—all in the same ultracompetitive hub, tons of new projects propagating at once.
Agglomeration effects, or the clustering of industry leading to better job matching and boosted productivity, still matter—and more so to younger people looking to live in urban areas at the start of their careers.
But going forward, entrepreneurs will have the ability to create new ventures remotely, assembling teams in disparate locations in a way that Silicon Valley at its genesis just couldn't be structured. Seemingly secondary cities with lower tax burdens and superior governance might end up with some advantages. The next Google or Amazon might start in Austin or Miami, but it also might spring up in Nashville or Tucson or Pittsburgh—or rely on talent from a wide array of cities rather than a single metro area. Or, investors might only take pitches from people who demonstrate their seriousness by congregating together, in-person, foisting their specifications and conditions on those they invest in, as is their prerogative.
The pandemic cemented remote work as a permanent option in almost all industries, making living and working more distributed than ever before. Agglomeration effects will probably still matter for a long time, and venture capitalists may stipulate that further. But they might just be less important than in the past. And though the tech world's new homes do, in some ways, threaten to be wrecked by bad governance, they are by and large much better, and better at self-correcting, than the old sclerotic mess left behind in California.
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Is there anything underneath the simple calculus that might shed light on this further, perhaps yield better solutions?
I'm curious, what solution do you have in mind for a housing shortage that doesn't involve building more more more housing?
I'll take a stab at that. Spread out. The shortages seem to be somewhat localized in a few corporate hubs. But, if the pandemic was good for anything, it was for showing that those corporate hubs really weren't anywhere near as necessary as we'd previously thought. Making it easier for companies to go "hybrid" or allow more telecommuting would be a step in the right direction. And you can probably get there by injecting more freedom into the system.
A big part of last year's housing bubble (besides the Fed holding rates artificially low) was highly paid tech workers fanning out to other cities.
Wouldn't the fact that housing prices continue to soar in SF indicate that there are plenty of folks still wanting to move in? Austin prices are soaring too - I know of someone about 2 miles from the capitol building who has a run down, tear down cottage that could sell for over $800K.
Not really. Because of restrictive price controls rents never go down, though temporary discounts can offset this, and because of sales restrictions (and the sunk cost fallacy) sale prices don't really decrease either. Add to that the pro-tenant biased rules that push owners to leave properties vacant for years to escape some of the restrictions and you could see prices rising because people are trying to leave and removing housing from supply for a better price later.
No because housing is a massively subsidized investment asset. So prices are more responsive to investment demand than to mere housing demand. And inflation (the increase of money available to turn into investment cash) grows much faster than population.
It's the same problem that China has now. All those massive empty cities. No one is moving there. But everyone in China invests in 'housing' if they have any spare cash. So those apartment buildings are all owned. In their case - just waiting for the Ponzi to collapse.
Notice that SF prices mostly leveled off in the pandemic, while everywhere else (except NYC) was soaring.
Miami and Austin lured people away from California.
Correction: California lured people away from California.
Lured, no. Drove, absolutely.
I'm not sure if they are still doing it, but for a while U-Haul would PAY you to rent their trucks to drive them back to California.
No not really.
But the new tech hubs could end up repeating San Francisco’s mistakes.
Probably because they lured people from California.
I think the people moving to Miami are the ones trying to escape the COVID panic and similar progressive policies from NYC and SF. The people moving to Austin are moving there because it is like California.
This, Austin has a reputation for being young and progressive. It unfortunately has the potential to be the next California.
The key is to cull the leftists as they exit CA. Thereby preventing them from infecting another healthy host.
I think the people moving to Miami are the ones trying to escape the COVID panic and similar progressive policies from NYC and SF.
right, which is why Nancy Pelosi is retiring there.
That might have been true a year ago, but not now.
I forgot to include this above:
A Facebook post claimed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is moving to Florida after purchasing a $25 million, 11,000-square-foot waterfront mansion.
The post features an image of the mansion the California Democrat purportedly bought.
"Someone doesn't want to pay exorbitant taxes in her home state she has ruined," the text on the image reads. "Climate change and global warming thrown out the door."
Similar claims have shown up elsewhere on social media. They’re not true.
The photo used in the Facebook post comes from a listing of a $25 million mansion in Hobe Sound, Fla. The listing shows that it has a pending offer.
It’s not clear where the claim of Pelosi buying a Florida mansion originated. However, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., claimed on Twitter in early November that Pelosi was on the same flight as her and "went house hunting last week in south Florida."
"This is completely false. There’s no such pending sale, nor is the family looking or interested," he said.
The mansion’s listing agent, Elizabeth Bourque... told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that Pelosi was not the mansion's buyer.
"It could be the case that scrappy startups of young engineers in hoodies coding out of garages will no longer exist the way they used to"
The young engineers are out there. I know a few personally.
The big problem for them isn't where to live. The big problem is software patent law.
ROFL! Mike the digresser, everyone.
What specifically is the problem w/ SPL?
Do you mean it's difficult for young engineers with startup ideas because of patent trolls?
Patent trolls are a problem.
The general problem is too broad interpretation of what major software companies' patents cover, or, putting it another way, granting broad software patents.
I don't know much about the software industry but for semiconductor patents I can tell you there is a very low bar for getting patents approved so a lot of really trivial and obvious circuits get patented. Most big semiconductor companies know that every chip manufactured violates tons of patents but they all have big patent portfolios so the mutually assured legal destruction helps avoid most lawsuits.
I think the bar should be set much much higher for patents to be granted - they should be non-obvious and only held by an entity that's manufacturing and selling something that uses the patent.
And the number should be limited. Maybe 10,000 total US patents granted a year would be a good number to limit them to truly unique and innovative ideas.
Sounds very analogous to the software patent problem.
Reason hasn’t written about the issue for nearly ten years, but this is still a good article:
https://reason.com/2013/12/13/kill-off-software-patents/
Thank you - that's a good article.
There is no solution to this tangle of problems (which originate in land use that sets aside massive acreage in R1 and Ag zoning and transport that focuses entirely on the car and its own land set-asides) in a 'healthy' American city. It's simply too expensive to untangle.
Rust Belt places like Detroit, St Louis, etc could. But even the bankruptcies there are never full 'resets' and they would need a massive influx of Z's and milennials to redo those cities to focus on the future population rather than either the past or the current land cronies.
All Detroit needs is a permanent income tax holiday and it could become the new Hong Kong.
Ruled by leftist authoritarians and full of violence?
The only reason Hong Kong has no direct income tax is because their governments main and sufficient revenue stream is a distorted form of land value tax. Basically the government directly owns the land - and owners compete to pay rent (which means they are incentivized to develop land rather than sit on it to speculate) - which means government becomes the rentier.
In my neighborhood, Holly, which is about two miles east of downtown, signs popped up all over the place urging residents to oppose the zoning rewrite, stoking fears that massive high-rise apartment buildings could dwarf our Craftsman-style cottages.
They will. You just have to decide if you want that. It's that simple.
Take a look at the linked picture from my town. This is the reality of what you're going to get. And if you live in the tiny little house dwarfed by the apartments on either side, then that's what you get.
If people oppose this outcome and can oppose it through democratic means and you fail to convince them it's a good idea, then... that's what happens.
Sorry, wrong link. I linked to the developer's website (irony? I can never tell).
Here's the image: https://dbabs16qyv5rp.cloudfront.net/1749228/1749228.jpg
Here's another picture along a slightly different stretch of the beach. You almost don't notice the little house at the right.
This is the reality of upzoning. I'm not making an argument against it for the sake of it, but I am trying to explain to people who haven't witnessed a neighborhood transformation the likes of what has gone on in my town, then you convince yourself it doesn't happen. And if you're not the 75 yr old lady on a fixed income living in your paid-for house, then you might not care.
Here's another even more dramatic picture of an infamous house in Seattle that got dubbed the "Up" house, where people started putting balloons on the fence in support of the old woman who refused to sell.
The above picture kind of gives me pause when someone with green hair, nose piercings and a side shave starts screaming at me about upzoning.
I would kill every single person here for that convenient level of access to a Ross.
I'd love to be that close to an LA Fitness so I can start playing basketball again.
They keep emailing me reduced membership rates but there isn't one within an hour of where I live now
"in support of the old woman who refused to sell."
Uh...doesn't that burnt out house have a "For Sale" sign on the front?
And yes, those homes that I highlight ARE being sold as the owners die, can no longer live there, afford the taxes etc., or simply can't refuse the eleventy million dollars they're being offered.
Riddle: If your single-family home with a median price of $1.2 million becomes dwarfed by high-rise apartment complexes in an 'upzoning' operation, and you finally sell to a wealthy developer for $9 million because you're tired of the kids on the 9th story balcony staring down into your backyard, did the price of homes go down?
I'm always mixed, I sympathize with the conservationist feeling of not wanting to see neighborhoods change. At the same time, we focus on the person who didn't sell, without paying attention to those who did. Precluding condos being built on that property hurts those who want to sell, or are at least open to selling.
Like, you say "simply can't refuse the eleventy million dollars they're being offered" is a weird way of saying that they sell because it's incredibly profitable for them to sell.
The previous points though of "can't afford the taxes" I'm very sympathetic towards and I think about that sometimes. Property taxes bother me in a lot of ways because they sort of preclude ever being able to own one's house in the fullest sense. It tends to push me back towards consumption taxes being the most reasonable means of funding the government out of all the bad ways of funding the government.
Like, you say "simply can't refuse the eleventy million dollars they're being offered" is a weird way of saying that they sell because it's incredibly profitable for them to sell.
Unless you're Ms Macefield who has outlived her entire family and has one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel, and literally know that there's no way you could spend it all before next Thursday.
To be clear, I am mixed on this subject as well. But when I read things like "stoking fears that massive high-rise apartment buildings could dwarf our Craftsman-style cottages"-- this is not some crazy-pants theory that will never come to fruition. It's a very possible reality. So if the goal is to eliminate zoning, then you can't wave those concerns off, you have to be prepared to argue that "yes, there very well might be a massive high-rise apartment building next door to your house, and it's a good thing."
"yes, there very well might be a massive high-rise apartment building next door to your house, and it's a good thing."
What I'm trying to say is, if you're gonna be Bernie Sanders, be Bernie Sanders. Lean into it. Admit that there will be bread lines, and then argue that the breadlines are a good thing.
I agree with that. I see it here in Tucson too. And my concern with the YIMBY movement is that it's increasingly not deregulatory as a means to deal with housing issues. Instead, a lot of stuff I see tends to be prescriptive about high-density housing. I think that will also have major unintended consequences down the road.
An example with Downtown Tucson was the city banning old street markets and then just straight up subsidizing fancy restauranteurs from Phoenix to open restaurants downtown. Changed the feel dramatically, was unnatural and many of the fancy restaurants went under, which has led to a lot of vacancies.
Worst of all, it led to the closure of my preferred downtown bar which had 2 pool tables, a 100 sqft smoking patio in the back, bathrooms without doors on it, and a 3 dollar shot and a High Life.
One of the bigger concerns I have with Reason. They're very outcomes based in their analysis, when the underlying reasons why matter a lot. So, YIMBYs who are deregulatory and think individuals should have more choice to fight-it-out, that's libertarian. YIMBYs who are city planner types who think high-density building is the preferred outcome and that we should regulate to achieve that goal. That is somehow worse than NIMBYs.
YIMBYs who are city planner types who think high-density building is the preferred outcome and that we should regulate to achieve that goal. That is somehow worse than NIMBYs.
That's why I coined the clumsy YIYBY (Yes in your back yard). I've seen this movement up close and personal here in Seattle. YOUR neighborhood needs to be upzoned! Yes, Council woman whateverthefuckyournameis. What about YOUR upscale Madison Valley neighborhood? *silence*
I'm starting to look at this with different color lenses.
If you could wave a magic want and drop the price of land in Seattle (or san Francisco) by 99.9%, and a plot of land suddenly became $10,000 and building a house on it costs $30,000... guess what kind of house most people would build? That's right, a single family home with a yard in it. Denser housing becomes attractive because land is expensive.
"How much is this?"
"$4 million".
"holy crap, well, I guess I'll just live in an efficiency apartment for $2,200 a month"
There are exceptions to this, of course. There are other considerations that people make. Some people don't want the upkeep of a yard and apartment or condo living forces them or allows them to simplify.
My house was built in 1927. It sat on a humongous piece of land. As prices rose throughout the century, around the early 1970s, someone divided my property and now there are two houses with small yards in place of the one large plot that my house used to sit on. That was 'increasing density'. As prices continue to rise, people do things like rent out basements and 'subdivide' a house and rent it out to multiple tenants. That 'increased density'. But through all of these density increases, prices continued to rise. The only thing that "appears cheaper" is that with each iteration, you get slightly less, for slightly more, and so on. As other neighborhoods (like the one's I pictured above) because REALLY expensive, they upzoned them and now NO ONE can afford to build a single family home... and why would they? The prices didn't drop, they went higher, but the type of housing on the land changed.
Diane - exactly I always think why don't you build the next condo development in your fancy neighbor hood in your subdivided back yard. I think it feels good for them to say they are infilling but they can keep to their zones which conveniently don't have this. Basically the term you used. I like it.
I think that's a good point is that we don't see a choice to fight it out and should. I probably (for many opinions on here unfortunately fall more towards the Nimby's) would rather see less higher density. I think I might lean towards Diane that I see my neighborhoods being bought out and having a design that while promotes higher density creates a zone that gives folks less and they pay more. The condos don't drop in prices but you get less. You lose a sense of neighborhood and just become another faceless drone on their ebike to work. Those that have a house by these developments I pity them - people overlooking your yard sunlight obscured and a pile of random cars and other infill that was unexpected take away the quiet enjoyment that once was there. I have a two story apt semi close and again this is opinion it's an eyesore. In fill to infill seems to be some sort of solution to some folks but I'm not sure that there isn't more lost by this faceless incursion for up up up and closer closer closer. I don't know what the solution is, but I can't believe making it a rat's nest of people makes it better.
"YIMBYs who are city planner types who think high-density building is the preferred outcome and that we should regulate to achieve that goal."
Are they really YIMBY if they would block single family housing?
"It tends to push me back towards consumption taxes being the most reasonable means of funding the government out of all the bad ways of funding the government."
Or, you have Prop 13 in california that prevents your property taxes going up by more than a certain percentage each year.
My only general problem with Prop 13 is that it also applies to kids. Most of the houses on my block pay a fraction of the taxes I do, because the kids bought the house from their parents. If the government cannot force tax obligations onto kids, I don't think they should get tax deferments. All that said, since I am more generally opposed to Taxes in general, I live with it.
Answer: YES! A 850 sq ft. condo in the new building only sells for $500,000!
Rejoinder: You're right, and you now share walls, floors and ceiling with 5 neighbors, have no back yard, have no front yard, had your square footage cut by 75%, you had to opt-in for a paid parking spot in the underground garage for an additional $20,000.
I moved for many reasons, and at least one was the cost of Seattle. It wasn't the only one, but it was one of them.
The problem I have with forcing multi housing units on areas is not them building big high rises with million dollar condos but massive amounts of small apartment complexes. This happened to the area of Houston I went to high school in. when I was a freshmen Alief was the nice suburb of Houston with a mix of neighborhoods from upper middle class to low end blue collar workers or starter homes. This was during the 70s / 80s oil boom and people where moving into Houston at a high rate, so many that they also built a large amount of apartment complexes. You can guess what happened then, when the oil boom ended the housing went down and now Alief is gang central for Houston.
my question is can i legally carry everywhere now. Reason must be anti 2a since they haven't talked about the Scotus ruling that just came out minutes ago . come on hurry up Reason i need to know your opinion NOW.
yes that was sarcasim
Remote work solves most of Austin's problems, but the main traffic problem there is the bridges over Lake Austin - too many lights keep traffic bunched to cross there (looking at you, Lamar). North/South of town is fine, and if you don't need to cross those bridges, and stay off 35 or Mopac, it's not that hard to drive around.
Arizona doesn't even get a name drop even though way more Californians move here than Florida...
How's Kirsten Sinema working out for you kids?
Honestly, eh, not bad. She seems to be strong enough of character that I would vote for her over generic Republican.
Mark Kelly is the wastrel who needs to go though. He's always been a weakling and that is a race that's going to be won and lost in the Republican primary more than anything.
I don't mean to be a dick here, but when you bring in a lot of Cubans, you get Cuba. When you bring in a bunch of Californians, you get California, and so on and so on.
Imagine a country like, I dunno, Eritrea, population ~6 million. Now imagine what the country would look and feel like if you brought in 3 million Scotsmen.
If I was Eritrean that would have kilt me.
So, I actually read the article now. Not bad, pretty interesting in some ways, though incredibly vague in most ways. Probably would have been better to focus on one city, or do an even more general cover on California egress.
But, fun read.
There is something I've been working on in my head over the last year or so, and I think a long form study which included not only economists but possibly behavioral psychologists might be in order here. Because I think we might discover some things about land and housing "pricing" that would surprise all of us.
In Neighborhood X, Flyover USA, the same single-family housing zoning exists. Median price of home: $94,000
In Neighborhood X, Techhub USA, the same single family housing zoning exists. Median price of home: $1.2m
In Neighborhood X, Flyover USA, there literally is no developer demanding to build a 16 story multiplex next to Mrs. Kravitz's modest two bedroom ranch.
In Neighborhood X, Techhub USA, there is a pack of hungry developers dying to build a 16 story multiplex next to Mrs. Kravitz's modest two bedroom ranch.
I would postulate that the reason the hungry developers WANT to build a 16 story multiplex next to the two bedroom ranch is not because the price of that lot is expensive, but to the developers wanting to build the multiplex, the price is CHEAP. The price of land in the normally business-zoned neighborhood would be $42 million. Where in this neighborhood, it's $1.2 million. If the homeowner realizes he's selling to a bunch of hungry developers, he'll jack the price up to $5 million. They're still getting a bargain.
I don't think that's necessarily a theory, that's basically the question of why people invest in things. They're looking for high differentials between what they can buy it for vs. what they can sell it for. I'm trying to think of a book to recommend you on this if you're interested.
And I'm going to follow this up with a question. Have you read Orin Cass or American Compass? I think I disagree with him, but think he's a rigorous thinker. I'm getting the sense that you might find his works interesting as you have a bit of a paleo vibe to a lot of your concerns.
I have not. Are they on Audible?
I don't know. American Compass is a magazine:
https://americancompass.org/
It is in the Paleo/Populist tradition. I have not read his books, but it appears at least one of them is on Audible:
https://amzn.com/dp/1641771046
I became aware of him through his discussions with a very close to Misean free-marketer dude named David Bahnsen. They've done two long form discussions on Bahnsen's podcast called Capital Matters, which is published by National Review. It's a little bit one-sided due to Bahnsen being the host and thus having a bit more power, but you can tell he tries to be fair and at the very least I think the arguments have both been very, very interesting and have given me things to think about. It's not a pure slam-dunk shit-show.
Right, but my question around this is, does the upzoning reduce prices, or is upzoning the natural desire that occurs once the prices have risen? Ie, the prices aren't out of control because of the zoning, they're out of control for a myriad of other factors, and the desire to upzone allows for more efficient use of existing land, which in the end rides the rising prices upwards, possibly increasing them?
Pfizer wanted the Kelo house because prices elsewhere were too high. They wanted cheap land, so they set their sights on the single family neighborhood.
I don't know. And my inclination is that it will vary a lot case-by-case.
The Kelo house question is a good example of what I strongly dislike, and my concern with the YIMBY movement. The government needs to not just be neutral on the question, they should probably set up guards to be actively neutral on the question.
Reading the article, they rely very heavily on Strong Towns. Take them or leave them, but understand that Strong Towns is not a Libertarian group- it is an Anti-Car group. They want to end highway funding, parking spot mandates, and convert roads to open markets. They aren't looking for freedom, they are looking to create a very specific Urbanist environment.
This is an intersection of interests that should be very suspect. I actually agree that if you want to decrease housing costs, you need to allow denser housing in the urban environments. But just as the people preventing dense urban buildings are restricting our freedoms, the Stronger Towns people want to restrict the ability to live a suburban life. If you want a car, you are their enemy and they are going to do everything in their power to restrict the use of your car- even if that means making streets completely dedicated to bikeways that are never used.
Understand that these Urbanist Utopians aren't pushing a libertopia here. They want to take money from Highways and spend it on Mass Transit. If you have quaint notions of "A yard for your kids to play in" or "Kids walking to school without passing drug dealers", then you unfortunately do not fit into their plans.
I can't wait until Austin starts putting in bike lanes and trains everywhere.
Well said overt - here in our montana town you see that starting heavily. Road diets, sunday streets (no cars are allow on sunday), planter boxes in the middle of the roads and at the edges as bulb outs to make driving non inviting and even small things like make like signal changes around 2 minutes so someone like me running (especially a biker) can keep up with traffic for about at least 1 mile easily.
The fact of the matter is that if your city doesn't have traffic problems and increasingly expensive housing costs, then it is one of those cities that is on the decline because it is no longer growing.
I don't necessarily believe that anyone has a right to "neighborhood character"...unless they are willing to buy the whole neighborhood. In many ways all of our world is changing, and we have no right to preserve other peoples' property as they see fit.
Either we are growing which requires change, or we are shrinking, which brings its own change. I think there is a balance to be made, and I think the best way to achieve that balance is by letting individuals plan at the most local level while respecting each others' property rights. In some cases that might mean denser cities do need to increase their housing. But we should not be trying to make national movements that force this style on localities.
Overt makes good points.
I have mixed feelings on this issue because I have a strong presumption that people should be allowed to do as they wish with their land. (That's not completely absolute, as there's a level of nuisance for neighbors - something like a noisy and smelly industrial plant running 24 hours per days is a classic example - that arguably justifies compensation to neighbors because it puts huge impositions on their expectation of quiet enjoyment of their own property.)
A challenge, however, is that once zoning has been put in place, there's something of an "original sin" aspect to it. People have an at least somewhat understandable expectation that it will continue in current form, and that's a particular issue for anyone who purchased a home at a price that was inflated by the presence of zoning.
I would prefer that the whole issue had generally been handled historically via private contracts and not government action, but we do have the reality of history that actually happened.
I'd also caution YIMBY's that their future reality may not come to pass if they actually achieve notable successes in a few cities. Private arrangements such as HOA's are already common for new suburban development and quite often impose restrictions on building that are stricter than zoning. And comparisons of, for example, smaller bedroom suburbs versus large master-planned communities with HOA's sort of muddy a clear-cut distinction between "government zoning" and "private contracts".
They're not happy until everyone is paying protection money to a transit cartel.
Well they should be happy here, we pay via taxes and public transport is "free".
Yeah, because if anything in the cities, where the Urban policy wonks reside, screams success, safety, clean and reliability, it’s mass urban transit. A utopian success story!!!!!
MORE white guy policy wonks and planning jobs. Collecting a paycheck while spending your working hours in mass grievance on Twitter is easier than just about any other job.
Engineers didn't move to SF to be close to the office -- they moved their to live somewhere "cool" with restaurants, bars, museums, etc., and rode the company bus or the train for an hour south to work in Silicon Valley. But once the COVID lockdowns hit, there were no cool bars, restaurants or museums to visit, people were afraid to ride public transportation, and the only entertainment was going down to the neighborhood CVS and watching a robbery.
Californians moving *to* central Texas is a hoot it's a desert with a smelly river running through it ... they're going to melt.
Before anything that might make sense happens this country has to reach peak grievance. From my view we’re only halfway there.
The last I read on Silicon Valley and SanFrancisco (my Brother and nephew live in San Jose I have local news too), they were in incredible shape financially compared to Los Angeles. I guess I don’t understand why the productive people that pay the highest progressive taxes want to prop up Los Angeles? Failed cities need to go into bankruptcy period. The Fed buying muni bonds is just delaying it. If you really want to go after a collapsed piece of shit, go after LA.
Urban Policy Wonks whatever
There is a growing movement in Florida to require a 30 year (or one generation) waiting period before allowing CA refugees to vote.
Why? Californians who move to red states tend to be as or more conservative than the existing residents.
Mike disagree - see Gavin Newsome buying building in my neck of the woods.
INewsom isn’t a California expat, or likely to ever become one, and plenty of well-to-do liberals buy second homes in Montana or Wyoming.
Seems like a lot of words to say "Bringing Californian ideals with them, the people are ruining their refuges." Many of the ones that left Cali for Miami, Austin, etc. were only 90% woke vs full woke, but they still carry the virus with them.
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Silicon Valley has one advantage that is difficult to overcome and that is volume of high tech employees. Otherwise Silicon Valley is a unmitigated disaster. Sure the beaches and weather is nice, but the downsides of the authoritarian state and local governments, taxes and prices are too much for any sane person to bear.
Best case scenarios is not 3 alternative high tech corridors, but rather 100+ high tech corridors. With more and more remote workers, anyone who owns a high-tech company should entertain moving out of Silicon Valley to another state. Not just Austin and Miami, but to mid-sized cities.
Become a fixture in their new city instead of being a guppy in Silicon Valley become a big fish in the smaller pond. Your highly prized talent will largely be working remote, but your workers who need to come to the office will be able to afford homes instead of slowly losing ground.
It true that the California Lunacy which is fleeing is being imported into Austin and Miami. You see it in states that border California in places like Salt Lake City and Boise. The housing prices have skyrocketed recently due to the influx of ExCalifornians.
Due to the weather and beaches California will always have people moving in, but the oppressive authoritarian state and local governments stamp out the dreams of these people in short order.
Making it easier for companies to go "hybrid" or allow more telecommuting would be a step in the right direction. wordle unlimited words
It seems there is a lot of hype about Miami/Austin. One can bet that the next google or apple will come from the bay area, New York or Boston. This is not because they are liberal areas but because of strong educational institutions. As the cliche goes, follow the money. Bay area got 30% of the total venture capital in 2021, followed by NY and Boston. How much did Austin get? A shocking 1.5%.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-09/where-venture-capital-and-tech-jobs-are-growing