In a Surprise Move, the FDA Denies Approval for Juul Tobacco and Menthol Vapes
What was once a classic Silicon Valley success story has become the victim of an intensely ideological war on nicotine.

After nearly two years of review, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is preparing to deny Juul's application to keep its tobacco- and menthol-flavored vaping products on the market, according to reporting from The Wall Street Journal. The news is surprising; when compared to competitors' applications, Juul's was one of the most detailed and data-heavy, showing just how effective it was at transitioning smokers away from cigarettes, toward a safer alternative.
Research published in Nicotine and Tobacco Research that studied smokers who transitioned to Juuls found that smokers in North America were significantly more likely to switch to vaping than those in the United Kingdom who only had access to lower-strength nicotine products.
The company was founded by Stanford University classmates James Monsees and Adam Bowen, both of whom were smokers. Monsees and Bowen decided they no longer wanted to smoke but found the mix of options available for quitting unsatisfying, so they decided to make their own alternative in 2004.
The result was Juul. After years of finetuning, it turned out to be a hit, with many lifelong smokers switching, saying they'd finally found a product that worked for them. In 2018, Juul was valued more highly than Uber and was considered by many to be a promising prospect that could help make a smoke-free world through choice and innovation rather than prohibition and taxation. (Reason Foundation, the 501(c)(3) that publishes Reason, receives contributions from tobacco manufacturers.)
But what appeared to be a classic Silicon Valley success story soon became a victim of an intensely ideological war on nicotine. Unfortunately, Juul also for a time became the most popular product among minors who were experimenting with vaping. Youth vaping rates rose substantially. Current e-cigarette use, defined as taking a puff or more in the past 30 days, jumped from 11.7 percent in 2017 to 27.5 percent in 2019.
Juul was squarely blamed for the rise of youth vaping, with critics pointing to its initial marketing campaigns showing people in their early twenties enjoying the product. Critics alleged that flavors like mango and cucumber were especially appealing to the younger demographic. But what they forget is that in late 2016, the company switched to exclusively using models who are 35 or older in their advertising campaigns, as well as only using real customers who have switched from smoking to vaping. What anti-vaping campaigners also ignore is that the vast majority of adult vapers quit smoking using sweet or fruity flavors; such products are not just desired by teens.
The claim that Juul's flavors were the underlying cause for the rise in youth vaping is highly dubious, considering there were thousands of different flavors for other e-cigarettes on the market years before Juul took off. Surveys of teenagers by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that just 13.2 percent of young people who use e-cigarettes say they do so for the flavors. Experimentation with e-cigarettes mimics other behaviors like alcohol and illicit drug use, often with the same populations engaging in these types of activities. But to appease critics, Juul voluntarily removed all flavors other than tobacco and menthol from the market in 2019.
The FDA's reasoning for banning Juul will most likely be that it presents a greater threat to nicotine-naive youth than the benefit it presents to adult smokers. This would be an extraordinary conclusion since, according to the 2021 National Youth Tobacco Survey, 89 percent of high schoolers are not using e-cigarettes at all and 95 percent are not using them frequently.
In 2020, the Cochrane Review, widely considered the gold standard for evaluating evidence-based medicine, concluded that e-cigarettes are more effective than traditional nicotine replacement therapies for helping smokers quit. By banning the most effective and popular e-cigarette on the market, there is no doubt that the FDA's choice will force a portion of current Juul users to go back to smoking, and an unknown number of smokers to never make the healthier switch to vaping. What economist Alex Tabarrok calls the FDA's "invisible graveyard" just got a whole lot bigger.
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Not really a surprise, when you can get the prohibitionists and the tobacco companies on the same side.
States have to keep the settlement money flowing.
What's wrong with models over 35?
As long as they're members of the alphabet crowd, should be fine.
A surprise only to people who weren't paying any attention at all.
Indeed. The concept of "Yeah, the habit is unpleasant, but adults are free to kill themselves if they opt to do so" is lost on folks.
Nicotine vapes aren't even especially harmful. There are a lot more people out there doing far worse to themselves with too much sugar, trans fats, sedentary lifestyles, alcohol, you name it.
They also don't mentally impair you and leave you more likely to have a car accident or destroy your ability to earn an income. Quite the opposite, in fact.
People in this country think it's okay to force their beliefs into everyone else at 18 you can be kidnapped by the government and sent to a different country to murder in the name of freedom, you can be put to death or imprisoned for life but God forbid you decide to vape or smoke a cigarette that's where the line is drawn by a bunch of self righteous pompous assholes.
Only Reason staff would be surprised a federal agency took an opportunity to interfere in personal freedom of choice, denying the concept of "my body, my choice".
It was the opposite for me. I had quit for four years, then I tried an e-cig. Juul as a matter of fact. It was just enough nicotine to get me hooked again, and before long I was smoking again. Vaping just didn't cut it.
Only thing that helped me quit was Chantix. Side effects included crazy dreams and excessive flatulence. Like taking a courtesy walk every five minutes. Driving with the window down in the winter. Avoiding open flames. It was bad.
Nothing seems to be a true substitute for cigarettes. But I've found the Juul to be the closest. At least has been enough to keep me from buying smokes for 6 months.
That's awesome! Have you tried Chantix? Most insurance pays for it.
The one time I quit for about 2 years was on chantix....although I was taking chantix for 6 months before I finally stopped smoking. I just had the crazy dreams, none of the other side effects. Eventually, picked up cigarettes again because my wife is a smoker and it is really hard to stay an ex-smoker when there are cigs constantly in the house. Tried to get back on Chantix last summer but the FDA had issued a "voluntary recall" because the monosamines (sp?) were slightly higher in one batch. They were still at insanely lower levels than in combustible cigarettes, but of course that didn't matter. Drove to like 10 different pharmacies in my city and none of them would give me a starter pack. The real kicker? The FDA said that if you were already on chantix, then you could still access it because it was better than going back to smoking...you just couldn't get the starter pack. fucking retards.
I used the stuff for three weeks. As week to build up, a week to get the nicotine out of my system, and another to taper down the prescription. I really wanted to quit, and didn't like the side effects. Just needed a push. First time I was married to a smoker, second time I was not. But all smoking was outside, so I wasn't directly exposed unless I followed her the door.
Sounds to me like you have a lot of excuses. Like maybe you're not ready yet. I get it. I like nicotine. I like smoking too. I like going outside every hour or so. I like knowing what birds are around and where the squirrels are nesting. I feel sharp. Focused.
I don't like coughing in the shower so hard that I puke, hearing my lungs go "snap, crackle and pop" when I breathe, and having respiratory infections a few times a year.
Pros and cons.
I tried chantix, it didn't work for me, gave me terrible stomach pains. What worked was one paragraph from Alan carr's easy way to quit smoking. Been smoke free for 15 years now, because of his advice on how to never become a smoker again....it seems obvious, but don't ever smoke again, don't bum one off your friend outside the bar or buy a pack because your just in the mood, and I guess we can add don't have a Juul either. Smoking even once just opens the door to letting that addiction back in.
I started with the Juul, then I quickly graduated to buying batteries and liquids and accessories online. That was like seven years ago. Don't know what's available now. But it still wasn't a substitute. Not for me anyway.
If it works for you then good deal.
And to tell you the truth, I like nicotine. I feel more alert and aware, in tune with what's going on.
But the cons outweigh the pros.
I had a professor in college who had never smoked, but liked nicotine gum. Nicotine is a pretty good mental stimulant.
It's a bit of an appetite suppressant as well. Doubt Liz Hurley would still be hot in her 50s if she didn't buy Nicorette by the case.
Juul helped me quit 2 1/2 years ago. Still vaping Juul, though. So now that Juul's going to be banned, what's a good substitute? And I don't want to have to build my own vaping devise.
I haven't tried any of the ones that have been approved. You can get stuff to refill Juul pods (until it gets banned too), but the pods seem to start leaking after a few re-uses.
And I don't want to have to build my own vaping devise.
Looks like Uncle Sam is after the disposable devises, so you might need to go Frankenstein.
Vuse Vibe is pretty good and a lot like Juul. Also, one of their devices was already approved so pretty good chance they’ll stay on the market.
Have you considered cigarettes?
Love,
Big Tobacco and the FDA
(that said, Caliburn's refillable pod devices are pretty good and easy to use, they make ones that are generally the same shape-ish as juul, just more substantial)
You don't have to "build your own." All the vape shops I've visited in the U.S. have low-profile, easy to use, and easy to refill "rigs" right off the shelf. All you have to do is keep it filled with "juice" and keep its battery charged. Buy some juice every 2-3 weeks and it's less trouble than keeping apps updated on your phone.
I've been vaping for several years now and I don't see a reason to stop. No cough, "wind" is still good for my age, and I still appreciate nicotine's old Dial-in-the-Focus effect.
All the Nicotine Nazi "no vapes allowed" signs are complete BS because people can't even tell you're using one. As long as you're not blowing big, apple-scented clouds (like the kidz do), nobody even notices. I use my on airplanes... even on international flights. No problem as long as I'm discreet and don't wave it around. (Due to cabin air recirculation, it's even *less* noticeable on airplanes.)
The good people at the EPA have been looking for you.
And, of course, there is the underlying question of how involved should the government be in this type of decision making anyway.
If they can make you take an experimental vaccine, or tie your daughter to a bed and sterilize her because three generations of imbeciles is enough... they can bar you from... "experimenting with vaping".
"I tried using the Patch, but I couldn't keep it lit."
But vax shots for a virus that doesn't make kids sick? Unanimous.
After half of the board quit.
Which purified the board towards pro-experimental vax for toddlers.
I'm beginning to swing towards the argument that people disgusted with this shit shouldn't resign, because when you leave the system that's broken, you get more of that system. See: California.
I would at least like to see a lot more of that disgust expressed publicly. Which probably won't happen after they quit and are easier to ignore.
I think we’re getting close to it being expressed VERY publicly. Some people may soon experience the natural high from hunting progressives.
Are you the new FBI plant?
Who was the last one?
If so, they owe me a bunch of back pay. No, I’m just making a prediction.
I would at least like to see a lot more of that disgust expressed publicly
followed immediately by a timely #MeToo allegation.
And now, reducing sperm counts in men.
Juul also for a time became the most popular product among minors who were
experimenting withvaping.Why does "experimenting with" inserted into anything which might nominally be considered a "vice" make it sound more palatable?
I "experiment with" heroin. I "experiment with" cocaine.
No, you shoot heroin. No, you like to snort blow.
I always snort all my blow in a rigorous and scientific manner.
More seriously, the first time or few times might appropriately be called experimentation. I want to see what happens if I ingest this drug. After that you are just using.
"What's it like to snort cocaine?"
"Here, have a line."
*three years later in rehab*
Meh. Cocaine isn't that great if you ask me. Just gets boring when you stop drinking.
I wouldn't know. I spend my free time down at the Christian Science Reading Room.
I never thought of it that way but you're totally right.
Lots of things become boring when you stop drinking.
>>you like to snort blow
fuck yeah. but had to stop.
And another question I have... was this a surprise move? I would have been surprised had they NOT denied their approval.
there is no Dana only Juul
Be careful what you vote for.
Classic.
Hey Mike Riggs, be careful who you vote for.
Whaaaat a difference a couple of years makes:
Fuck the FDA. And the other guy.
Vaping generates less taxes than tobacco - perhaps the government is just making the logical choice of a normal business by maximizing "profit" (Made easier by having a monopoly on the right to approve access to the marketplace)
Nah. It's not about revenue. It's about Puritans being alive and well and crafting policy.
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The remaining question is, if Juul's products didn't get licensed, what would it take on an application for a product to get licensed? Did FDA's letter indicate anything particular about the product's data that could be improved so as to permit licensure?
Maybe they can come back as a prescription product. I understand the profit margins are much greater that way, and if they can get insurance to cover it, so much the better.
There was something like this about 20 years ago I think that was marketed as a nicotine inhaler and had a commercial with a guy puffing on it outside at a party. Problem was that nobody likes to think they are taking a medicine plus the hassle of having to get it filled and refilled. Of course, if it comes to that where you can only get nicotine by prescription, you can bet they will cut you off of any refills, probably be more strict than opioids, because the prohibitionists love to make people suffer.
The FDA has approved exactly one E-cig- the very dated Vuse solo. Their other device, similar to Juul isn’t bad, but will be interesting to see if they ban that too. If they don’t, it raises some questions about following the money.
So the FDA doesn't approve of Juul but they quickly gave approval to one of the most toxic and dangerous injections in history, one that has kill over a hundred thousand and continues to kill people, especially young active people or incapacitates them permanently, one that reduces sperm count, that doesn't protect anyone from the coof, in fact, opens them to the illness and destroys their immune system.
And don't forget to get your newborn infant the jab!
The only one who should get jabbed is Fauci.
Yes the FDA is doing a killer of a job.
Anyone who believes anything the government says must obviously have the IQ of a cow.
The one thing that I believe, is that most people here are aware of, is that the government in Washington, D.C. is as corrupt as every other government on the planet probably even worse than the government of Ukraine.
Please don’t insult cows by calling them Democrats
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