The January 6 Hearings May Be Surprisingly Worthwhile
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The House select committee investigating January 6 put on a good show in its first public performance, teasing the major plot points Americans can expect to hear over the coming weeks and offering juicy glimpses of the evidence it has been gathering.
Most congressional committee hearings seem set up to give each member a few minutes of public grandstanding and that's about it. They're polemical. They tell rather than show. But last night's (widely-televised and streamed) hearing of the House select committee on January 6 was different.
In lengthy opening remarks, Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney displayed a TV prosecutor's command of narrative, weaving together video footage and commentary from January 6, 2021, with post-hoc video testimony and tidbits from key Trump administration players and GOP lawmakers, plus statements from people who partook in storming the Capitol. The result was a cohesive and disturbing view of the lead-up to the day's events and their aftermath.
Cheney's presentation "is specific and uses snippets of evidence very effectively to make the case," suggested University of California, Irvine, law and political science professor Rick Hasen. "It is a strong opening argument short on invective. Showing not telling."

Many photos and videos from January 6 depict people who were plausibly clueless—wandering the Capitol rotunda, gawking, taking selfies—or engaged in only the mildest of mischief. But footage aired during the committee hearing vividly presented the day's much more sinister side.
The footage aired last night showed people rushing Capitol Police officers and fighting them, tearing down barricades, and throwing tear gas. We saw people vividly engaging in what appeared to be knowing, furious, and violent actions, as Capitol Police talked in terrified voices about being vastly overpowered and impotent.
Amid this footage we saw and heard from former President Donald Trump, doing things like riling up the pre-riot crowd with election fraud lies and demands that former Vice President Mike Pence refuse to certify the Electoral College results.
Told people had chanted "hang Mike Pence," Trump allegedly said "maybe our supporters have the right idea. Maybe Mike Pence deserves it," former White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows told the committee, according to Cheney.
And as the MAGA mob took the U.S. Capitol building by storm, Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard.
Cheney: Trump "did not call his Sec. of Defense… He gave no order to deploy National Guard that day and made no effort to deploy law enforcement assets… Vice President Pence did each of those things."
— Jacqueline Alemany (@JaxAlemany) June 10, 2022
Clips of some of Trump's closest allies showed they weren't on board with all this.
Former Attorney General Bill Barr thought Trump's stolen election claims were "bullshit" and told the former president so, Barr told January 6 committee investigators in a deposition clip played during yesterday's public hearing.
"I made it clear I did not agree with the idea of saying the election was stolen and putting out this stuff which I call the bullshit" - former U.S. Attorney General Bill Barr during his #January6thCommitteeHearings deposition. Photo by Jonathan Ernst pic.twitter.com/OiSH5B8KPA
— corinne_perkins (@corinne_perkins) June 10, 2022
And Ivanka Trump "accepted what [Barr] said and what he was saying," she told the committee.
Holy shit they got Ivanka to denounce the Big Lie?!?!
— Zack Beauchamp (@zackbeauchamp) June 10, 2022
Details like these breathed life into the narrative that we all know well by now—how Trump lobbied the Department of Justice and Pence to help him overturn the 2020 presidential election results, how he urged his supporters to descend on Washington, D.C., that day ("will be wild!"), and how slow he was to act when the rally turned into a dangerous riot.
Trump never directly told people to take over the Capitol or to commit acts of vandalism and violence. And yesterday's hearing presented no smoking gun to this effect. But it did crystalize the case that Trump was "not just a rogue president but a would-be autocrat willing to shred the Constitution to hang onto power at all costs," as Peter Baker at The New York Times put it.
The hearing also delved into some of the more personal damage done by rioters. We heard from Caroline Edwards, a Capitol Police officer who was knocked unconscious in fighting with folks who were trying to enter the Capitol. She described the scene as "an absolute war zone."
"There were officers on the ground—they were bleeding, they were throwing up," said Edwards. "I saw friends with blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people's blood."
She talked about watching fellow Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick—who would die the next day—turn white after being sprayed with something by one of the rioters.
So far, we may not have learned any bombshell news, and it's unclear that we ever will. And Trump supporters aren't likely to change their interpretations of January 6. But "the efficacy of the hearing will ultimately not be determined by Resistance/Never Trump types finding it compelling or MAGA types calling it a nothingburger or worse," suggests the Washington Examiner's Jim Antle.
As someone who was skeptical going in that this hearing had any value, I've changed my mind about that.
I still don't think we're on the verge of democracy dying, or that we need a new war on domestic extremism or anything like that. But what went down was frightening, and many of those involved in spreading the lies that led to the riot and to whitewashing it afterward (including but certainly not limited to Trump) are still major political players. Having a measured, multifaceted, and comprehensive record of what happened seems important for the historical record and for jogging contemporary memories about just how bad this actually was and how differently things could have gone if Trump had been surrounded by slightly less defiant people.
In all the hoopla, hackery, hot takes, and hyperbole that surrounded the Capitol riot (and the Trump era generally), all the Justice Department overreach against people who merely trespassed, all the discourse, it's been easy to look at January 6 through slightly rose-colored glasses to dismiss grave pronunciations as just so much melodrama. Last night's hearing—and hopefully those to come—serves as a powerful antidote to this.
The committee's next public hearing will be June 13.
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"There is nothing in this bill that would make it more difficult for platforms to have in place content moderation policies," said Cicilline. "No one who has done an objective analysis…thinks that in any way platforms will not be able to do what they currently do to moderate content."
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The January 6 Hearings May Be Surprisingly Worthwhile
Or we may need a bigger distraction.
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The House select committee investigating January 6 put on a good show in its first public performance, teasing the major plot points Americans can expect to hear over the coming weeks and offering juicy glimpses of the evidence it has been gathering.
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Mike can’t stop being a retarded faggot.
Yeah, this show trial (not a hearing, as there's no opposition, just all anti-Trump politicians) that is not revealing what the government officials in charge of Capitol security (Pelosi) did prior and during the protest. I'd agree with ENB if this show trial had GOP opposition and the right to subpoena people involved such as Pelosi, the officer who shot Ashli Babbit, and why Pelosi refused Trump's offer of thousands of National Guard troops to protect the Capitol.
In fact, what I expect really happened is Pelosi arranged a white flag operation to make it look like Trump's supporters were trying to overthrow the government (especially the protesters who showed up at the Capitol), when the Democrats knew Biden cheated in the election. Who is Ray Epps, who were the guys in head-toe black breaking the Capitol windows/doors, and what undercover government officials were there and involved in initiating violence against the Capitol? Just like the Russia Hoax, truth will come out showing it was a Democrat false flag operation, with Democrats initiating violence to make it look like Trump's supporters.
To be honest, I think there just may be some credence to this idea of a false flag operation.....not sure how much direct evidence presently exists to support the claim....but that may be only becasue it has not been uncovered yet....we shall see.
So, those government union pension plans will need a bigger bailout?
Government pensions are inflation adjusted, unlike our 401k's, which are being hit by the double whammy of a crashing stock market and inflation.
And then the additional whammy of increased taxes to pay for those inflation-adjusted government pension payments.
Which mythical government pensions are you talking about? The ones that haven't been available since the 1980s, when corporate America also ditched their pension obligations?
What does that have to do with the January Sixth Insurrection?
Your thesis that there can only ever be a single pressing issue to be reported on is bullshit. It's just your tactic to get people to talk about something else. Well it's not working.
Lol. Insurrection.
The worst insurrection in history. It started with a whimper, and ended with a nap. There's no defending them parading around the capital, but to continue the narrative of an insurrection when they walked out the same doors they entered is preposterous.
Look at it from the point of view of 21st century hyper-sensitive snowflake liberals. To them, any challenge to their wobbly self-assured vision of righteous progressive idealism, including not just mean words but the very thought that someone might say mean words, is a catastrophe. They also have trouble distinguishing fantasy role playing from real life.
So when some Trumpsters and bubbas indulged in a few hours of cosplay, the left saw a literal end of the world and expected a Nazi dictatorship by the end of the week. They are sure that the righteous survived only by the thinnest of margins, but that the insurgency continues to threaten their very existence.
But...But...in the latest RPG game from Wizards of the Coast, Governments & Gulags, they rolled a natural 20 so the government was going to fall. If Brandybuck's mom hadn't said the Hotpockets were ready they were moving into the Rotunda!
You know who else cares about meanness and lack of civility besides progressive snowflakes: people with old-fashioned standards for appropriate adult behavior.
Lol
Adults in charge
Mike Laursen, in other threads, consistently advocates for taking prepubescent children to drag shows so they can stuff dollar bills in grown men's thongs
He always has a million excuses as to why it’s ok to groom small children. It’s weird how democrats either want to murder babies, or fuck them.
Funny, I’ve never seen anyone less civil than progs engaging people with their new fashioned standards of appropriate adult behavior
There's no defending them parading around the capital
Yes, retard, there is--
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Why in the name of all that's holy do the January sixth protesters have to spend ANY time at all defending themselves from their own side?
The left torched the US in 2020, with exhortations from elected leftists. They've been low level rioting since Trump got elected--with exhortations to shunning and violence against everyone who voter for him coming from every leftist media outlet as well as elected leftists.
But the right, even the tepid right can't stop demonizing it's own people who had the fucking balls to actually stand up and try to do something more than cower behind a microphone on TV or a keyboard on the internet.
And the kicker to all this is that literally months before J6, the left had literally BURNED DC with impunity.
The J6 folks are heroes.
BLM folks blocked freeways in Austin, TX and assaulted a federal courthouse in Portland, OR days and weeks after an incident in Minneapolis. The J6 folks aired their grievances at the time and place most appropriate to their cause.
The entire reason J6 is so controversial seems to be that it was predictable and direct. If there is one thing the left cannot tolerate, it is honest discourse.
Not to mention that the J6 protest defiled the holy cathedral of government, and directly "threatened" the priesthood in the middle of a cherished ceremony.
Here with popcorn and a giant diet coke to watch y'all try to justify Trump's coup attempt and blame everything going on right now on Biden with swiss cheese style arguments.
Here with popcorn and a giant diet coke to watch y'all try to justify Trump's coup attempt and blame everything going on right now on Biden with swiss cheese style arguments.
When I walk over your charred remains and use your braincase for a thimble, I will laugh.
When idiots like that end up getting themselves killed by thousands I’m going to laugh too. It will be 100% their own doing. Plus we need to divest America of all the excess leftists.
The real insurrection was the concerted effort to steal the 2020 election from the rightful winner.
It wasn't a single action, but a coordinated - admittedly so - distortion of usual election processes to use the Chinaflu to change regulations that allowed for a massive fraud to take place.
The coup, that began even before Donald Trump took office, finally came to fruition with a stolen election.
Right under the noses of most of the people, who weren't in on it, but pilloried was anyone, who actually realized it was happening.
Yeah, stop interrupting left wing propaganda, damnit!
Your violent fantasies to the contrary, there was no "January 6th Insurrection". There were protests at the US Capitol, some of which got out of hand, like they have many times before.
The real questions are: to what degree were the protesters infiltrated and incited by the FBI, and why was Capitol security so weak. We are not getting answers to those questions.
'Why was Capitol security so weak.' Security when in session is the Speaker's responsibility, full stop. As there had been the typical dire predictions of massive protests and violence, one would think that increased police presence and National Guard troops on station would be an important security measure. Unless there was a reason to not have additional security, in order to score political points.
They didn’t want extra security interfering with the FBI operation.
It wasn’t a fucking insurrection, no matter how often you repeat the lie.
And it ultimately isn’t important in the face of the shut that’s about to hit the fan. You know, because Trump didn’t incite shit, he went through legal channels and he left office on the appointed day at the appointed time.
I think the point is that these hearings are just a tactic to get people to talk about something else besides how badly Biden and Democrats are failing.
That’s only the secondary goal though. The real point of these hearings is to make it quite clear to everyone who is allowed to protest what, and who better stfu, put their heads down, and let The Party have their way.
And Reason is on board with that message.
I mean the comment he was replying to.
The J6 hearings they should be having are why an unarmed protestor was shot by cops, and why people protesting for election integrity in a public building were held in jail for a year without charges.
If you are referring to Ashli Babbit, she was attempting to break into the Speaker's Lobby at the head of a mob who had apparent intent to harm Congress members, their guests and staff, and the Vice President of the United States. Furthermore, the police guarding the Speaker's Lobby had no way of knowing at the time of the incident whether she was unarmed, or how large a mob was behind her, or how many of that mob were armed.
Shoot first, ask questions later, amirite?
...when confronted by violent trespass of a no-warning lethal force engagement area, yes, actually. The real surprise is that no more insurrectionists were shot - which was entirely within the rules of engagement for law enforcement in that facility.
That's not a very accurate description of what happened. There is video of her talking to police and repeatedly stepping through the broken window. She seemed to be trying to get the police to take more action to prevent people breaking in.
I'm going to bet that that video doesn't get shown in the hearings.
the police guarding the Speaker's Lobby had no way of knowing at the time of the incident whether she was unarmed, or how large a mob was behind her, or how many of that mob were armed
Um...it was being broadcast on TV in real time. I watched a few minutes of it. Mostly people ambling around aimlessly with a few Trump flags. I can see how the capitol cop would be afraid, but he should be facing charges. Worse than Geo Floyd's killing.
The guards were supposed to be watching the coverage on TV to figure out what threatening people might be wandering around the building? Were the TV cameras showing what was going on in the part of the building where the Speaker’s Lobby entrance is. What if the TV cameras missed an important threat?
Your comment is unbelievably dismissive.
No, no, it’s ok with Mike because she was white and patriotic. Democrats hate patriotism, as they are incapable of it.
“…mob who had apparent intent to harm Congress members…”
Mikey the mind reader.
"hang mike pence" and "get pelosi" chants don't require a mind reader to interpret.
You mean the insurrection led by the violent far-right gun-nut second amendment types who forgot to bring their guns?
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/01/28/alleged-u-s-capitol-rioter-christopher-albert-to-appear-in-court-thursday/
He was going to blast away anyone who tried to stop him from taking over our democracy...from outside the building.
Nice try fuck-wit.
It doesn’t count because he was outside the building?
Jebus, man how it must feel to be an inveterate liar and constant purveyor of prevarication. Either you are a witless stooge of your tribal masters or intentionally disseminate false information in the hopes of influencing others.
I've already responded to this dishonest shit below. The person you are citing is a Maryland resident stopped hours after the Capitol riots ended.
"...January Sixth Insurrection?..."
Brandyshit is too stupid to spell "protest".
Stuff your TDS up your ass, shit-pile.
No, no. If the guy with the horns had made it to the Speaker’s lectern he would have gained full control of the federal government. Just like how when the rebels blew up the second Death Star at the end of Return of the Jedi that the Empire magically collapsed instantly. Despite having a massive military and a fully intact command structure.
Nope. Horn guy makes it to the lectern, and it’s all over. The Joint Chiefs would have been reporting to him on January 7.
Yellen says not worry. There is ZERO indication a recession is coming.
https://news.yahoo.com/nothing-suggest-us-recession-yellen-213705337.html
And when it does arrive, it will be good for us.
First it’ll be a transitory recession.
Finally! We're going to own nothing and be happy.
Equity!
Oh, god, when Yellen says that it's not going to happen, we are in deep, deep trouble.
On inflation her quote “we expect temporary inflation and have the tools at the federal reserve to address it.”
Divisive
" Meanwhile, inflation is raging at a 40 year high "
Get an education, develop a marketable skill, work hard, and you won't need to worry about a few dollars here or there.
Or . . . remain a disaffected, worthless, right-wing misfit and continue to whine, whimper, and struggle.
Carry on, clingers.
Until you are replaced. By your betters.
You are nobody’s better.
Literally nobody. Even Joe Friday is better than you.
That repetitive shit is all he’s got. Arty is very stupid.
In illustrating what a dumb proggy cvnt Liz is
Now do a BLM riot.
Why is a mindless sheep like ENB still bleating on reason?
Well, she does have all those sex worker friends.
“Put on a good show.” Pretty much sums up its value.
The J6 "hearings" remind me of the show trials in '30s in the USSR. The SRs, the Mensheviks, the Engineers, the Doctors, the orthodox church. All of them bullshit.
Yeah, but with 21st century Hollywood production values and more effective online propaganda machines.
“online propaganda machines.”
Sigh. How far Reason has fallen.
Reason is literally praising their choice of the Hollywood media consultants they picked. Triumph of the Will 2.0. I guess it's only fitting since J6 is burning of the Reichstag 2.0.
"Yeah, but with 21st century Hollywood production values and more effective online propaganda machines."
Photoshop sure beats those old Soviet air-brush jobs.
The Empire Strikes Back with Darth Cheney Jr.
Says the fascist.
Says the marxist.
Naw, Tony's an actual fascist.
I think he originally got into it for the SS uniforms and the boots. Now he stays for the socialism and the oppression.
You really don’t understand what that word means. Nobody here, save you leftist fucks, thinks the government should command the economy while capital is privately owned. And you don’t even believe that last part.
Actually, the January 6 hearings are like the Reichstags fire hearings held by the Nazis. And just like their Nazi predecessors, the Democrats have been trying to limit civil liberties, including attacking habeas corpus, freedom of speech, press freedom, and privacy. Just like their Nazi predecessors, Democrats have been telling the story that January 6 is part of some grand conspiracy to take over the country.
This follows on the heels of Democrats accusing their opponents of "the Big Lie", just like the Nazis accused their opponents of "the Big Lie".
Democrats are working almost literally from Hitler's political playbook. Fortunately, the US Constitution and the US political system are a bit more resilient than the Weimar Republic, and Americans aren't quite as foolish and gullible as Germans were in the 1930's.
Americans aren't quite as foolish and gullible as Germans were in the 1930's.
Also better armed. I think we are getting closer and closer to a serious civil disruption. Imagine if Kavanaugh had been assassinated and Biden nominated another Commie to SCOTUS. There would be a violent response. Perfectly justifiable.
Agreed that it is a show. But, do you admit they are showing and talking about real acts of criminal violence?
No
There were much more severe acts of criminal violence at every single Floyd protest in 2020. If this is the kind of criminal violence that necessitates this kind of show, imagine what would come of a thorough search through all the 2020 mostly peaceful protests.
Yes. Nobody here gas denied there was no violence.
Now can you admit this wasn't an insurrection abd 5 year plea deals for non violent acts is wrong?
Has denied there was violence*
"I saw friends with blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people's blood.
Yeah, this isn't hyperbole at all.
It made her beat people harder.
Have we seen the “snippet” of the video of people slipping in people’s blood?
Special effects is working on that for episode 3.
That's the one where they grant their leader emergency powers and he promptly declares himself emperor, right?
Can we title the first episode," The Phantom Insurrection"?
Just think. In a few years the entire series will be available on DVD, including the director's cut and the revised extended versions.
Sure. The people who assaulted people or broke into places should be punished for the crimes they committed. Some of it was quite ugly and nasty.
But that is something for regular courts to deal with. This committee hearing is exactly a show trial and completely fucking disgusting. They found the narrative they want to push and selectively present facts to support it. Just look at that video they showed. Carefully selected video of the ugliest bits, with unidentified audio played over it and no context. Pure fucking propaganda.
There absolutely were people there who committed violent crimes and deserve serious punishment. But the whole narrative of "unprecedented threat to democracy" remains ridiculous. What could possibly have happened that day with the people who were there that would have changed the election or prevented congress from certifying it well before the inauguration? I still have yet to hear a plausible scenario for that.
Exactly. This is about tarnishing Trump's image so they can say he's 'dangerous to democracy' and stop him from running.
Sort of correct. Except, it was Trump who tarnished himself.
But, yes, the Democrats are trying to put on a big show of what a cretin he is for their own partisan purposes. But, he's still a cretin.
How many of the anti trump media fabrications did you actually push here? It was a lot.
All of them!!! But Mike is NOT a progressive. Nope!
And to prove that Trump is in command of the Proud Boys, they took that clip of the debate where Biden and Wallace harangued him into sending a message to the Proud Boys. The evidence that Trump was directly in control of them was people publicly forcing him to speak to them. It's an utter garbage fire.
Yeah, their whole premise seems to be that Trump could somehow have controlled the crowd and stopped a riot in progress.
Which we know he couldn’t, because the FBI wasn’t working for him.
Poor Trump had no agency of his own. He was a victim, forced to do things by the Democrats.
Where did you get that from? Has nothing to do with what you are responding to.
Ironically Mike assumes often the j6 protrstors had no agency when he says trump incited them.
Giving Joe a run for his money as stupidest motherfucker here today I see Mikey.
I haven't paid much attention to any of this, but what weapons were the "insurrectionists" using?
Chemical sprays, fists, tasers and number of bludgeoning items.
Don't forget the "pipe bomb".
OMG! (Insert meme of panicked running with hair on fire) They had nukes! It was LIT-TER-RAL-LEE the end of the world as we knew it!!!!!
No guns or bombs? Who plans an insurrection without guns and bombs?
And feces.
Chemical sprays, fists, tasers and number of bludgeoning items.
Yes the Cap cops had all those things, and guns. And they even shot an innocent person to death.
If you are referring to Ashli Babbitt, she was trying to breach the Speaker’s Lobby, with apparent intent to harm the people within.
Assault fire extinguishers!
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/01/28/alleged-u-s-capitol-rioter-christopher-albert-to-appear-in-court-thursday/
According to federal court documents filed Thursday, an officer noticed a bulge on Alberts’ right hip as police were they were enforcing a 6 p.m. curfew ordered by D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser and moving people away from the Capitol building.
4 hours after the Capitol riot.
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2021/01/06/dc-protests-capitol-riot-trump-supporters-electoral-college-stolen-election/6568305002/
Lol.
the very first "insurrection" in history where the "insurrectionists" didn't have guns.
Your view of history doesn't go back very far. For instance, there were a number of insurrections in ancient Rome that involved no guns, since guns hadn't been invented. In somewhat more recent history, Guy Fawkes was going to use a lot of gunpowder but no gun.
However, in _this_ century any government is protected by several organizations of men with guns. An insurrection without guns or bombs is ridiculous, but these "insurrectionists" didn't bring guns (which most of them owned), bombs, or even their kitchen knives.
no one thinks that
Agreed that it is a show. But, do you admit they are showing and talking about real acts of criminal violence?
Not sure that you can call the coup staged by the left 'criminal violence', criminal, certainly.
You could call it violence if you include the four years of Democrat and leftist sponsored terrorism that preceded the attempt to stop the coup, but let's be honest, as with all things, the left prefers to lie, to themselves and everyone else.
The emotional actors and Jeff were most likely giddy over the show trial last night. No new information. Biased presentation not showing all the footage. Only testimony from prosecution like witnesses. Trying to claim there were no offers of the nat guard prior to j6.
Was quite revealing as to what this was.
It would be like only airing the prosecution in a trial.
I wanted to ignore it, but I couldn't resist at least seeing the big show. I made it for about half an hour. And yeah, holy shit. Incredibly one sided, selective editing, no opportunity for a response from anyone not fully on board with the narrative they are spinning. But it's "bipartisan" so it's all good.
It's a highly produced video cutting together clips from several hours apart as if they're sequential to sell a narrative. It's not "evidence," it's a manufactured story.
Fuck the rioters, fuck the people who actually were in front and storming the bicycle racks and smashing windows. But it was a riot. I don't know how many times I've heard apologies for the people who were looting gas stations, liquor stores and pawn shops because they're angry at the police. Don't apologize for that shit and then pretend that rioting is now the worst thing ever.
"It's not 'evidence,"
Are the clips faked? If not, then it is evidence.
It is heavily doctored evidence. It does show things that happened. But if you are trying to be thorough and honest, you show the complete video, not just the parts that serve the narrative you want to promote. Why aren't they making public every bit of video available so people can judge based on the facts what to make of that day?
If you are splicing hours worth of video together, it’s not evidence, it’s propoganda.
Rioting is a very bad thing.
Who here is excusing any rioting by any party?
Come on, man. Lots of people were making excuses for BLM related rioting and looting. Not saying you or anyone who comments here was, but it did happen.
^This
Riots are the voice of the unheard.
No, he did. Along with all the progressive trolls.
I love his classic troll. "How do you know it was BLM or Antifa? Did you check their membership cards?" Oh, good times.
I liked the part where that one police officer who got knocked down testified, and they showed the video clip of it, but cut it off RIGHT at the moment it would have shown several protestors walking up and checking on her and making sure she was okay. Because this is about demonizing, not about the truth.
She was knocked out, unconscious, remember, and not one protestor tried to harm her further or steal her gun or taser.
Unlike the protestor knocked down continuing to be beaten by Capitol officers.
At least in this case people are tuning out cable news and don't see 1/6 as anything close to as important as the media and leftist politicians are making it out to be.
David Brooks and Political already issued pre-emptive cope yesterday that nothing all that revelatory will be coming out of this, that hasn't already been shown a million times.
Most hilarious was Liz Cheney haughtily declaring that if Republicans didn't get on board with this, that the stain of their "dishonor" would never go away. As if history gives a damn about vague notions of dishonor when it comes to application of political and cultural power.
Not Political, Politico.
Think you got it right the first time.
Liz Cheney is an expert at recognizing dishonor considering she threw her lesbian sister, Mary, under the bus
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/liz-cheney-same-sex-marriage-60-minutes-2021-09-26/
A Cheney talking about dishonor is fucking rich.
It would be fun to start a day Latin to get several thousand people a day to cal her office and ask the same exact question: when will the congresswoman resign in disgrace?
Someone last night pointed out to me that this was the left's Benghazi. But at least in Benghazi, people actually died and it was worth answering a few questions about it. I don't even see this committee as trying to answer any questions, but to spin a narrative that conforms to what they already believe.
If there was some actual investigation here about where the security failure came in, and why Capitol police were so undermanned and unprepared, and why there were rioters storming the capitol building before Trump's speech even began, I might find it interesting. Those aren't questions this committee cares to look into.
"and why there were rioters storming the capitol building before Trump's speech even began, I might find it interesting. "
The charges against the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers answers that question. They were there to stop Pence from counting the votes into record. Because the morons were told, and believed, if Pence manned up, Biden would not be President. Not every person there was coming, some were just legitimately protesting.
But you cannot pretend that people like this were there for any other reason than to stop the results of the election that their guy lost.
Meggs: We need to make those senators very uncomfortable with all of us being a few hundred feet away. Our peaceful protests need to have a little more teeth. They aren’t listening. Now we aren’t talking about crossing the line. But we need to be standing on the line!!! It’s all bad from here guys. We need Trump because it will make our jobs easier. There is gonna be blood in the streets no matter what.
Rhodes: I think Congress will screw [Trump] over. The only change [sic] we/he has is if we scare the shit out of them and convince them it will be torches and pitchforks time is [sic] they don’t do the right thing. But I don’t think they will listen.
Speaking of political show trials, Benghazi, IMO the person who should have been held responsible for that was Gregory Hicks.
Hillary denied multiple requests for security upgrades at the embassy. A previously passed law requires the SoS review and denial/approval of those requests. She was said to not approve due to political optics.
She pretty much murdered those people herself. Which is nothing new for her.
Exactly.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/16-committee-highlights-deficiencies
I’m sure tonight’s “special report” will be full of breathless hyperbole, ridiculous conjectures, and outright lies. The entire thing smells like a Stalin-esque show trial, right down to its professional production. It is designed to send a message to all Americans: oppose us at your peril. You don’t have to even be in the city for us to charge you. We will brand you a terrorist and steal your assets.
If we must have a multi-million-dollar investigation into the events of January 6th, then let’s ACTUALLY DO IT RIGHT. Let’s release ALL the video surrounding that day. Let’s form a legal committee that has legal subpoena power and ask people — under oath — about January 6th. We’ll start with Nancy Pelosi.
Well put
I watched a baseball game instead.
Sure, baseball can be considered boring, but at least they let both sides bat.
Could be fun to make a baseball version of the J6 hearings. And then see how many Americans actually like that type of baseball.
But footage aired during the committee hearing vividly presented the day's much more sinister side.
"If it bleeds it leads" has made its way to our nation's hallowed chambers.
Was there really that much blood, though? Obviously not much shed by the cops and congress. All that I've seen looked like a bunch of meandering.
I mean, there was that cop who was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher. No, wait....
At least we can glorify that other cop who shot an unarmed veteran for loitering. That's criminal justice reform we can believe in!
Ok ok, it was a total lie he was beaten with a fire extinguisher. But his face went white! Best believe that.
"But his face went white!"
Only that white privilege I keep hearing about.
Yeah, let's yuck it up about a police officer's death.
Says the clump of cancer that keeps making jokes about Ashli Babbit.
I hope the video of Mike Laursen getting beaten to death gets posted online.
I imagine him squealing like a little girl and begging like a wino with the shakes.
they’re making fun of you.
It’s easy and fun.
"...cop who shot an unarmed veteran for loitering."
What utter bullshit! A lion, tiger, or bear charges you, having NO weapons other than body their parts... Just as "un-armed" as Saint Babbitt... Are you, or are you NOT gonna shoot said predator, if you have a gun? If I beat the shit out of you, with my fists, shall I be forgiven, 'cause I was... unarmed?
My GAWD you fascists are illogical!!!
She was shot in the back.
Wait no, that was a different one--neck. She was shot in the neck as she came through the window.
Babbit and the woman the hill cops bludgeoned to death bled profusely.
But for an actual bloody capital riot check out the ones that the Democratic Party hosted during Trump's inauguration.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-inauguration-protest-damages-downtown-washington/
But don't worry, unlike J6, all rioters got their charges got dropped. That's the difference between protesting against the empire or for it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/06/trump-inauguration-protests-charges-dropped
""That's the difference between protesting against the empire or for it.""
Yep.
Not one single democrat seems to care about the police officers that were injured in a 2020 riot. But injuring a capitol police officer is beyond the pale.
Nor do they care about Justice Amy C. Barrett and her 7 children being threatened by the Pro-Aborts.
"Protesters Descend on Amy Coney Barrett’s Home One Day after Kavanaugh Assassination Plot"
Yahoo Newa
https://news.yahoo.com/protesters-descend-amy-coney-barrett-015809191.html
Only if it can be used to demonize their opposition.
They don't give a shit about the capitol police officer who was killed by a nation of Islam car attack a few months later
Hang Mike Pence! Don’t Fear the Revolt!
(According to The Gospel of The Donald)
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Horst Wessel and Bryan Sicknick
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Seig heil, ᛋᛋqrlsy, you fucking Nazi.
Appeal to emotion, not to reason!
“I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.” Quote Adolf Hitler, https://byrslf.co/50-quotes-by-adolf-hitler-that-will-inspire-you-to-achieve-your-goals-in-life-62b43c5c9f2c
(Reserving reason for the few? Few = ZERO for Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, who has ZERO faculties for reason!)
Has he gone full retard yet?
The media at least tend to search out real plane crashes and bombed-out buildings to hype. Our congress has now gone full-on fictional "history".
Their presentation is no doubt one-sided. But is any of it not true? Why do you use the word, fictional?
The video showed when a capitol police officer was injured, knocked over, and her head hit the pavement. The video then stopped before it would have shown the next few seconds, when several people stopped, crowded around her, checked on her and offered assistance.
What they're not showing you, what they're intentionally not showing you, makes it a lie. The crowd is made to look more organized, uniform, and malicious than it really was by omitting the parts which contradict that.
They also claim the woman suffered a "Traumatic Brain Injury," which is the most ridiculous stretch I've heard for that phrase. She had a concussion, which sucks. It's not a TBI which utterly destroys your physical ability to function.
So yes, there's actual fictional things happening in the hearing.
https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/basics/concussion_whatis.html
Everything you described is one sidedness, but none of the side they are showing is not factually true. And your definition of whether a concussion is a traumatic brain injury is, at the least, disputed by the source linked.
A half-truth is still a whole lie.
none of the side they are showing is not factually true.
It's obvious to anyone that they are deliberately misleading people for political gain, and you are defending them for some reason.
But he's NOT a progressive troll!!!
Why do you use the word, fictional?
It's a fabrication to form a narrative. Fiction does not connote complete make believe or complete lack of truth.
Read a fictional novel, it is filled with facts, behaviors and places that can all exist. Molded together they form a story. It is still fictional.
Good point. I'll buy that.
Because at some point, selective editing can completely flip reality. I can take a recording of you speaking in favor of something, and then edit the order of words to make it sound like you favor the opposite position. But it would still be "true" that you spoke the words.
Same reason you do when talking about Project Veritas?
"Title IX is now being used to go after eighth graders who won't use a classmate's preferred pronouns."
Good. 🙂
#LGBTQIA+
"an in-school suspension for ‘sexual harassment’ based on a single statement using an allegedly ‘wrong’ pronoun — and the statement was said to a third party, not even to the allegedly ‘misgendered’ student.”
This is outrageous! Why wasn't the third party charged with a hate crime for not turning in the misgenderer?!
You generally only use gendered pronouns in English when talking to someone about someone else, and the third person the pronouns are referring to is likely not present.
Why are eighth graders still in school anyway? Can't they provide useful (and profitable) additions to the work force?
The "They/Thems" are omnipresent.
Coal mining might be more educational than the leftist-dominated public schools.
"The House select committee investigating January 6 put on a good show"
We found the rube who liked it.
How did we not hear their opinions on sex workers?
She was impressed by “snippets”.
Rules of evidence all favor carefully curated “snippets”, it’s the hallmark of a fair trial
Snippets strung together in succession to create new evidence is the gold standard.
Yep. And it's great that the people who produced the video can't be cross examined, that there's nobody to ask questions about anything else that might contradict the story they were trying to tell.
And not a single adverse party to insist upon "completeness" of statements and videos.
^YEP; THIS
No new evidence; Just a lot of B.S. talk one writer took as the golden egg of one's own wanna-be 'truth'...
"is specific and uses snippets of evidence"
Do you swear to tell the whole truth?
Nope
Snippets are great for when the context doesn't quite match the narrative.
"The House select committee investigating January 6 put on a good show in its first public performance, teasing the major plot points Americans can expect to hear over the coming weeks and offering juicy glimpses of the evidence it has been gathering."
Perhaps ENB should switch to rating the latest mini-series on Netflix.
She talked about watching fellow Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick—who would die the next day—turn white after being sprayed with something by one of the rioters.
Huh.
Super toxic bear spray.
turned white
That makes him a bad guy now.
The autopsy found no evidence of reaction in his lungs or skin to any 'toxic substance.' Also no bruising or contusions. So, no beating by fire extinguisher and almost certainly no exposure to bear spray. Could have been hair spray, I suppose.
This doesn’t mean his death was not triggered by his having endured a day of fighting rioters.
And some people with preexisting conditions die from riding roller coasters or walking up stairs.
Uh huh, but he wasn’t riding a roller coaster or walking up stairs. He was fighting rioters.
So, it was Sicknick’s own damned fault because he wouldn’t stop resisting.
""He was fighting rioters.""
Correct. Rioters not insurrectionist.
Oh my god when the hacks come out, it gets hilarious.
Is there ANY evidence that Sicknick died because of the riot, other than the coincidental timing? We know what the autopsy said.
So if there is no evidence, and you are still pushing this shit, you are a hack. But we know that about Mike. He will claim to be reasonable while trolling for the left all day wrong.
Oh my god here is Overt the Pervert making excuses for the below!!!
READ the below and hang your tiny brainless, power-lusting shit-head in SHAME for always taking the side of Trumpanzees, power-luster-pig!
https://www.jpost.com/international/kill-him-with-his-own-gun-dc-cop-talks-about-the-riot-655709
‘Kill him with his own gun’ – DC cop talks about Capitol riot
DC Police officer Michael Fanone: I had a choice to make: Use deadly force, which would likely result with the mob ending his life, or trying something else.
“Pro-law-and-order” Trumpturds take the side of trumpanzees going apeshit, making cops beg for their lives! For trying to defend democracy against mobocracy! Can you slime-wads sink ANY lower?!?!
The threat is NOT yet over! Not by ANY means!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/02/politics/donald-trump-doj-republicans-insurrection-january-6/index.html
Trump's $100 million threat to democracy
He died at home a day later
It MIGHT have been caused by the rioters...therefore it was clearly murder.
Look, the riot was shit, and people die in riots. People also suffer medical conditions from running marathons or walking their dogs.
Except he wasn't running a marathon or walking dogs. He was battling MAGA zealots.
You don’t have a shred of proof but still insist on your claim be proven fact. Them turn around to vigorously defend the cold blooded murder of Ashli Babbit by a democrat operative in his guise as a police officer.
Hang Mike Pence! Don’t Fear the Revolt!
(According to The Gospel of The Donald)
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
All Hail Horst and the Horst-Faced Saint Ashli Babbitt!
(Can't catch me 'cause the Babbitt done died!)
Now it’s eyeing a gray box. I wonder if SQRLSY is spewing his inane copypasta again. I really hope he dies.
I can't refute what you say, so I'll just call you a gray box!
Do you call your conscience a gray box ass well, so ass to ignore it ass well, asshole?
So, since no evidence supports any trauma, he must have died from physical exertion, right?
How dare those rioters make a cop breathe hard!
Exactly!
They shouldn't have been there, doing what they were doing. One of the consequences is that they made a human being with a heart condition over-exert himself. So, they played a part in his death.
Why be dismissive of that?
Because you are still applying evidence free assertion for political reasons.
If his heart condition was that bad why we he still employed as an officer?
Bingo!
Because your "logic" would provide a convenient excuse to outlaw any and all protests, at any level of excitement.
Let's just put a bunch of grannies into police uniforms. Then any person who makes them exert themselves or feel stressed is guilty of felony exertion, right?
You have zero proof. You’re also a known liar, and propagandist.
You argued for agency above. Wouldn't the same argument apply here? If Sicknick knew of his condition, which was being treated medically, he has the agency to not be a part too.
Did he know of his condition? Do you have any evidence of that? Or is this just pure speculative deflection?
Even if he had a condition, knew it, and did not disclose it to his employers, it doesn’t absolve the rioters of their part in his death. They shouldn’t have been there doing what they were doing.
You could provide a tiny bit of evidence that 1/6 caused his death. Because such evidence seems to be missing.
How do you know what else he was up to in the week before his death. Maybe he got too aggressive in the gym, or had sex that was too vigorous. Maybe he was in a roller coaster at some point. You sure as fuck don’t know.
But whatever fits The Narrative, right? Because if a commie has to lie, a commie has to lie.
You cultish fuck. You invested everything in a narrative that you knew from the start was implausible, and quite frankly, retarded. And even though it's long dead and rotten you continue to beclown yourself by pretending it's viable.
Here's Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer for the 3-billionth time, appealing to emotion rather than facts or logic! She follows Her Hero, Adolf, who said...
“I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.” Quote Adolf Hitler, https://byrslf.co/50-quotes-by-adolf-hitler-that-will-inspire-you-to-achieve-your-goals-in-life-62b43c5c9f2c
(Reserving reason for the few? Few = ZERO for Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, who has ZERO faculties for reason!)
ᛋᛋqrlsy, Reichsführer of the Sqrlsstaffel quotes:
SQRLSY One
September.30.2020 at 12:53 pm
Yes! This FURTHER proves that Hitler was NOT a racist!
Since even Hitler wasn’t a racist, we can pretty firmly conclude that racism isn’t a “thing” at all!
SQRLSY One
November.1.2020 at 8:51 am
Here, this is a pretty good match! Every asshole is a good, right, and TRUE, benevolent asshole!
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/hitler
“My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see I was right.”
― Adolf Hitler
SQRLSY One
November.15.2020 at 3:00 pm
Flute Police are authorized to use everything up to and including field artillery, and nuclear weapons, to enforce The LAW, dammit, citizen, so OBEY!
Unauthorized civilians are NOT allowed to play the WRONG kinds of flutes!!! Capisce?
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/34787-germans-who-wish-to-use-firearms-should-join-the-ss
“Germans who wish to use cheap plastic lung flutes should join the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don’t need these deadly lung flutes, as their having cheap plastic lung flutes doesn’t serve the State.”
― Heinrich Himmler
SQRLSY One
April.4.2022 at 8:14 pm
All Hail the book-burners! Sieg Heil!
You and Misek should fuck off to Stormfront permanently, Nazi.
Keep up hope Mike.
Keep up smoking that tribalistic hate-dope, JesseBahnFuhrer!
It doesn't mean it was, either, you Meridian, Idaho-based turnip.
Calling someone a turnip is a grossly underused insult.
But turnips are healthy, delicious, and versital
Ok turnip.
Thanks!
The medical examiner determined he died of natural causes and went on to explain that a finding of natural causes means no external actors contributed in any way to his death.
But "what if" asks Mike.
And twists it into absolute proof.
Fuck right off you retarded hack. The autopsy could not make a connection, so any argument like yours is wishful bullshit.
Gosh, maybe his death did have something to do with the events of that day, and not just total coincidence.
And maybe somebody in fragile health should not have been in a job that could have stressed his heart. Or do you think that we should guarantee that a cop will face no more physical challenges than a Walmart greeter?
I think we should not violently storm the Capitol building to try to stop Presidential election results from being accepted.
But doing so for justice hearings or blm riots were fine? Didn't you laugh at trump being rushed to the bunker?
She did.
Mike Laursen, collectivistjeff, brandy need to fucking die
No. But I wouldn't object to suicide.
Doesn't matter how, but every second they breathe takes us all closer to utter hell
And increases the amount of carbon in the air.
I would be content if they and their fellow travelers left America, never to return.
How about for stopping Supreme Court appointees?
Nobody should violently storm the Capitol building to stop Supreme Court appointments, either. Next question...
Chuck Schumer thinks they should. Are you willing to condemn Schumer and call for his removal and arrest? Are you willing to condemn democrat officials including Merrick Garland for denying increased security for SCOTUS?
Still waiting for you to answer my questions.
Still waiting for you to answer. You fucking coward.
Funny, you’ve never shown the slightest bit of empathy for the families your fellow travelers murdered over the course of the 2020 democrat riots.
He died of a stroke. Those are very hard to predict and can come at any time. Stress can add to the risk, but only sometimes.
Sure it was total coincidence.
According to the ME it was. Do you have a medical degree? Are you a cardiologist? Do you have any professional experience in forensic medicine? And finally, did you examine Siknick’s corpse, or even personally review the ME’s findings?
No? Then fuck off you filthy Marxist propagandist.
Do you support holding people criminally liable every time a cop dies from a pre-existing condition that was aggravated by doing his job? Do you support prosecuting fleeing criminals for murder if a cop drops dead from a heart attack after chasing him?
After 3 narrative switches you still believe despite zero actual evidence.
Gosh, maybe his death absolutely nothing to do with the events, just like the coroner, his family and his doctor said.
Quit trying to make him your Horst Wessel. It won't work.
At least they found another cop with an actual Traumatic Brain Injury!! AKA - a concussion.
Are concussions not a bad thing, anymore?
Concussions are bad. I've had three myself. When you are knocked out and you get a concussion you know what it is called?
A concussion.
https://www.cdc.gov/headsup/basics/concussion_whatis.html
A concussion is a type of traumatic brain injury
Yup. Not discounting it is a brain injury. So is getting bludgeoned or shot in the head, or a catastrophic car accident that leaves the persons brain permanently damaged.
One concussion is not the same. Obviously if I am building a narrative for this police officers testimony which sounds so much more serious. Cop falls and bangs head on sidewalk and gets concussion or cop suffers Traumatic Brain Injury during Insurrection. Both are technically true, (except the insurrection); one builds a nice, fictional account for the story.
Whatever. You obviously have a deep need to brush off acceptance of the reality of what happened that day.
Ever get a double concussion? Those are fun
No, thank God!
"Gosh, maybe his death did have something to do with the events of that day,"
And maybe it didn't. But we know the story Mike is going with. Because he is a hack. And for a hack, correlation is more important than the opinion of a licensed medical expert who actually examined the body.
Please Mike, tell us how rational you are.
Damn Dee, that was an even more brutal thread of responses to your bullshit than normal. I bet you’re going to provide a lot of entertainment for us all today.
3 protestors also died from "natural causes" on January 6th.
That's a shame. How does it excuse the rioting?
Oh! You don’t like riots? Now do all of 2020 when your fellow travelers rioted and raged. Murdering, raping and pillaging. Including actual violent acts of sedition.
Why do we have no hearings in any of that. As they are far more serious.
Except they didn’t you lying fuck.
But it did crystalize the case that Trump was "not just a rogue president but a would-be autocrat willing to shred the Constitution to hang onto power at all costs..."
And here I was afraid hyperbole might rule the day.
I love that the same site that says you should not just assume a prosecution's case is correct...is now proclaiming that a prosecution's case is correct.
Consistency is not libertarian, it seems.
And not even a prosecution pretending to be slightly neutral. Every witch hunt finds some witches.
Not a word from comrade ENB on the refusal to release the majority of footage, just servile praise for the edited clips they showed.
This thing is supposed to go for another five or six days, so we'll see if they release the raw stuff.
I'm assuming the best was released last night. I doubt many watched last night, and the more time they consume, the less viewers they will draw. Was there actually anything that will compel random voter to watch more?
It's a prosecution WITHOUT A DEFENSE that they want to assume is right. There's no defense being offered or allowed. The closest is the token TDS Republican they allowed on the committee.
I find it funny only one side is asking to release all Capitol footage. Yet reason continues to celebrate selective releases.
Literally, and more than once, Liz celebrated selective editing of video evidence.
Snippets are never meant to deceive.
It’s pretty accurate.
You were there?
Hush, Mike is enjoying his rush of confirmation bias.
Sorry I’m not in denial about how vile a person Donald Trump is.
The truly vile fuck here is you, White Mike. You've been caught lying and saying creepy shit far more than Trump.
Vile is when members of the FBI create a fake story to interfere.
Vile is Chuck Schumer threatening SCOTUS members, and later a Pro-Abort carrying through with an assassination attempt. It is just stunning and enraging
One thing about Chuck. He clued us in about who really runs the show when he warned an incoming president not to mess with the intel community because they can screw you six ways to Sunday.
More than one thing can be vile at the same time, though, correct?
Like, Trump can be vile and Chuck Schumer can be vile and the would-be assassin can be vile -- all at the same time. Correct?
But you will only say one of those things.
Yeah. Excuse me for sticking to the topic being discussed.
I don’t excuse you being a giant hypocrite.
More than one thing can be vile at the same time, though, correct?
Two things, three things, 15+ things can be vile at the same time.
Chuck Schumer targeting SCOTUS Justices and inciting violence (2 things), an assassination attempt on these individuals (3rd thing), an Act Blue Left Wing paid troll (4th thing) peddling Saul Alinsky "13 Rules for Radicals"
Wiki:
The Rules:
"Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
"Never go outside the expertise of your people."
"Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."
"A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
"A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
"Keep the pressure on."
"The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. "
"The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
"If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative."
"The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. "
If democrats were really concerned about fair elections they would have hearings on the FBI's conduct regarding the fake Russian bank data.
So what? Did that require a congressional investigation?
I still want to know what legislation this committee is producing and what any of this has to do with it. The only valid purpose of a congressional committee is to produce legislation. This is just a show trial and a campaign ad all rolled into one.
Right. So given your revealed truth about Trump, any other individuals who can be tainted by claimed association are automatically guilty of whatever offense you imagine.
Are you really this dumb (and sadistic)?
She is.
"are automatically guilty of whatever offense you imagine"
They are? Where did I say that?
Your handlers are not sending their better trolls
Round and round Dee goes…
Trump isn’t ‘vile’. You just hate him because he is an impediment to democrat hegemony. You feel this way because you are a vile person.
Does that clear it up for you sugarbear?
Depends on personal taste, but I don't think it's totally unreasonable to describe Trump as vile. Maybe a bit strong, but his whole style is pretty uncouth and belligerent.
But so what? People elected him anyway and it's not against the law to be an unpleasant weirdo.
People elected him BECAUSE of that, not inspire of that. Americans are tired of putting up with democrat shit. So instead nominating another establishment pussy like ‘Jeb!’, a fighter was nominated. I’ll take a while party full of Trumps over a bunch of worthless milquetoast quislings like ‘Jeb!’.
I think the reasons people voted for Trump are quite diverse. Some voted for his style and approach and willingness to speak his mind. Some voted for him in spite of it because the alternatives were so weak or bad or they agreed with him on policy enough to overlook his personality.
Trump is garbage but he's not extraordinary garbage. Pretty much everyone who's taken the oath has abandoned it in one way or another for money or power.
He was horrible, in the way most presidents are horrible. You know what would be terrible? Using the CIA to spy on a political opponent during their campaign in order to try to frame them as cooperating with Russia. I'm glad no President has ever done THAT.
But Trump was extra horrible. First he interrupted the Progressive fantasy of a permanent Democratic government. Worse, he did it by defeating Hillary, then the darling of the D establishment. And worst of all, Trump deliberately attacked all left wing sacred cows, even if only with mean words.
It was HER TURN, you bastige!
And those mean words were tweeted! Tweeted!
He also refused to start any new military interventions.
Those munitions aren't going to sell themselves people.
Actually, the worst thing Trump did was prevent progressives from instituting their Master Plan, at least for 4 years. Preventing fascism was "fascism". And that is unforgivable.
Legal challenges are insurrection! Arrest Elias and gore!
Meanwhile Biden's dictatorial executive orders do not even merit "rogue president", not to mention "would-be autocrat".
^ this Mickey Rat we are not at war but Biden is using the war powers act to force companies to build what he wants built. talk about fascist commie dictator
We are 100% at war, it's just being waged on the American people
True. Government power has been turned inwards.
"Someone tell Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) mandatory minimum sentences are always a bad idea"
Ugh. So typical of Republicans — their "law & order" approach is to ........... punish criminals when they break the law. Which makes literally no sense.
We in the progressive / corporate / libertarian #Resistance know the solution is to prevent everyone from owning a gun in the first place.
#LibertariansForGunSense
Everyone except the cops. And lawmaker bodyguards. And celebrity bodyguards. And billionaire bodyguards.
And Reason goes full Stalinist.
Speaks volumes when ENB is about as credible as Brian Stelter.
But with smaller tits.
In her defense, you'll be hard pressed to find a woman with bigger tits than Stelter.
But can he chest feed?
You can milk anything with nipples.
Careful, you might get Tony’s attention with turn on talk like that.
Bacon grease
Dudes get pregnant and have abortions these days. Pretty sure they can chest feed.
Is Chemjeff really Brian Stelter?
Overt - you still think ENB is NOT a far left progressive?
Like most of the Reason staff, ENB is a liberal with one pet libertarianish cause.
"The U.S. Justice Department is opening a sweeping civil rights investigation into the Louisiana State Police amid mounting evidence that the agency has a pattern of looking the other way in the face of beatings of mostly Black men," reports the Associated Press.
What's a "mostly black" man?
Berry Obama
Talcum X
Cite?
Is that a new Ben & Jerry’s flavor?
Octaroon?
Do they do it by length?
I guess I’m mostly black now.
You ever notice how every guy on the internet has at least a ten inch penis? What are the odds?
I had more success just putting the number 9 behind my AOL profile accounts right after when Al Gore invented the internet.
The U.S. Justice Department is opening a sweeping civil rights investigation into the Louisiana State Police...
Ha, at long last looking at criminal justice in Louisiana? I have my doubts.
Why aren't we out of Yemen yet?
And into Ukraine. That's where the real defense money is.
Russian infantry make better high-tech weapons testing targets than Yemeni goat herders.
The opening statement from last night.
ABC News
@ABC
House select committee chair Bennie Thompson: "I'm from a part of the country where people justify the actions of slavery, the Ku Klux Klan and lynching."
"I'm reminded of that dark history as I hear voices today try and justify the actions of the insurrectionists."
The leftists here got so hard at their watch parties when that was said.
Likewise they repeated the lie that an officer was killed at the riots while essentially ignoring the two people killed by the Capitol Police.
Very worthwhile ENB.
The Leftists here being Koch-funded libertarians.
Clearly, the wrong brother passed away.
Unfortunately, he forgot himself and said "ask" instead of "aks" once.
Grammar and pronunciation are racist! Especially that word.
Exactly what got hard? We know penises, especially erect, are NOT welcome among leftists.
Guessing those incels got their nipples hard.
Depends, female penis isn't just welcome but almost mandatory.
My bad. I'd better sit through the gender awareness training again.
"""I'm from a part of the country where people justify the actions of slavery, the Ku Klux Klan and lynching."""
Robert Byrd? The longest serving senator and a democrat?
""In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.[11][15]""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd
When Democrats knew what was good for black people! Er, wait...
How dare you talk about Hillary Clinton’s mentor in the Senate.
Speaker Pelosi took the sides of rioters and arsonists who attacked the federal judiciary.
"Someone tell Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) mandatory minimum sentences are always a bad idea:"
What if they do it with a primetime TV special? That'd be a good idea then, right?
Minimum for right protestors parading seems to be 5 years.
But for throwing molotov cocktails at cops? Less time than that. AFTER they pled guilty.
Tell me more, progs, about the lack of a differing scale of justice.
Duh. That's how you do equity justice.
"You have to make Elon Musk's working from home policy really truly terrible.…I don't know how you do that."
Duh. In the 21st century, asking people to do things they don't like in exchange for a paycheck is really truly terrible.
Literally modern slavery. We should shift to a system where everybody just shares everything, and rules are made to keep it egalitarian.
By egalitarian I sure hope you mean status and rewards based on intersectionality and reparations for millions of years of white male oppression.
I saw an article in the Harvard Business Review (formerly a non-partisan journal of management studies and theories) that called asking people to work late a "ethical dilemma" on par with lying about what's in your products (aka fraud). Asking them to work late routinely was considered even more morally problematic.
Or as we used to call it, standard operating procedure. Non-exempt (hourly) employees used to love overtime, because they got time-and-a-half pay (double on holidays), and exempt (salaried) employees were expected to work 50-60 hours per week, particularly if they expected to get ahead.
Amateurs. Exempt career types had business credit cards, budgets to entertain clients and create events to grow market share, had 5 star restaurants in their cities who catered to their business needs, etc. Gosh those were the days!
My wife used to work for a company where all the salesman used to invite everyone they liked in the office to join them and a couple of their vendors and clients at the bar about once a week, and picked up everyone’s tab, including us spouses. Some Fridays there would be 20-30 people at the bar from 5:15 to close. All on the company card. That company was bought out.
Being gay and single at the time, I did not wine and dine my clients, but was the top producer in my state out of 10 reps. Pharma. Our quarterly bonuses were capped at 250% of goal, and I usually exceeded goal. My bosses made lots of money off of me, and I was their golden calf. They knew corporate put in place capped commissions, so to prevent me from leaving the company, they would tell me to use my budget for business dinners for family, friends, a couple of clients to make it legit, and submit the bills. It was my extra compensation to keep me happy given my performance. My 40th birthday was a blowout on the river in downtown Miami, Capital Grill restaurant. Invited my closest clients, friends and family. Used to travel to Key West often to visit one account, and the physician had a gay staff: female nurse and male pharmacist. I treated them well because they treated my business exceedingly well, and when I was done with them after a few hours, I would stay the weekend in Key West's Casa Marina resort solo. stunning property. I left the industry years ago to go to medical school, but those were great days. As long as you produce, managers will want to keep you happy. My husband today has a similar scenario
https://casamarinaresort.com/
Seriously, is she retarded? It’s right there in the third paragraph “In lengthy opening remarks, Wyoming Republican Rep. Liz Cheney displayed a TV prosecutor's command of narrative “that’s because they have been practicing their lines like a TV actor. This is a show trial just like the USSR, or Nazi Germany. I would love to see Madison Cawthorn slip in the back, pull up a chair next to Chaney and just start asking the “witnesses” real questions. What are they gonna do to him, already lost the primary so he is out anyway. Really mess with their little scripted show.
The teleprompter they were using certainly shows how serious this is.
"Rep. Thompson, please tell the committee how many times this 'live' hearing was rehearsed."
I've never seen a prompter that outward and obvious.
It is a partisan show, but do you admit they are talking about and showing clips of criminally violent acts that really occurred?
Nope. I admit we saw heavily and selectively edited video clips of something and audio of a totally different event played over it. Which is what you do in hearings, apparently.
Hey, Mike, how about you put together a reel of just the worst violent acts from the 2020 summer of love (aka the BLM and Antifa "events") and we can see which set of clips runs longer, and looks worse.
Or the Trump inauguration riots... or the Kavanagh riots... or even a few of the pussyhat marches.
Why would I do that? Would BLM and antifa riots somehow excuse the January 6th riots?
Didn't we all learn in kindergarten that two wrongs don't make a right?
The lack of prosecutions and dipshits calling them "insurrectionists" should certainly make you wonder.
Didn't we all learn in kindergarten that two wrongs don't make a right?
Nah. In Kindergarten we were taken to drag queen shows, learned how to lick and fight like crazy ass bitches. The gender affirming roids took all these to another hellacious level. One gets the impression from your comments you were not afforded access to these. Were lobotomies a thing during your hey day?
Ah, at some point the right-winger trolls here ALWAYS resort to personal attacks.
Butt hurt is not a good look on you, girlfriend. Go clean yourself up, douche deep, and put on your best bottom britches on. Some muscle top might like you but only if you take it up a notch in the Princess part.
And now you are resorting to personal attack. You have been overdue for muting, too.
Yeah this time it was a personal attack, I’ll give you that.
It was also hilarious and well deserved, Dee.
They are mental midgets with zero intellectual dexterity and a shallowness that makes a mud puddle look like the deep ocean blue. I can put up with anyone about anything, but double standards / hypocrisies, makes me lose my sheets.
The Media Matters / Act Blue trolls are extremely predictable. In the 1990s when the internet was in its infancy was really enjoyable. User groups called "altnewsgroups" were legendary for flame wars. This was during the days of dial-up and Netscape, with Bill Clinton as president....ample material to go at mano a mano online.
It says a lot you took that as a personal attack.
Nobody has denied there was violence moron.
""showing clips of criminally violent acts that really occurred?""
No doubt. You can also see a lot of video showing similar criminally violent acts from many riots in 2020. They don't care about those.
You act like a fool, you get treated like one. I have no problem with charges where appropriate. I have a big problem with how congress has politicized riot behavior in a way that those who support the Ds can riot all they want, but if you support a R, it's jail. It's too much of rights for thee but not for me.
The left marched inside the capitol with the intention of interfering with a SCOTUS appointment. Granted. they did not riot. But their intent was to disrupt a governmental proceeding which seems to fit the definition of sedition the dems are throwing around.
“It's too much of rights for thee but not for me.”
The left and Reason, but I repeat myself, really don’t seem to understand where this leads.
Coastal left-wing elitist utopia?
I have a big problem with how congress has politicized riot behavior in a way that those who support the Ds can riot all they want, but if you support a R, it's jail.
Research the prisoner conditions of Enrique Tarrio while he was at the DC Feds prison and now Miami Fed prison. It reads like something out of Fidel Castro's Cuba political prisons. The correctional officers who are black and slamming him against the wall because of his statements on BLM, he has been in solitary confinement for 23 hours straight, his cell is deep in fecal matter and water from overflowing toilets stuffed with TP set on fire for smoke inhalation, and more.
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/proud-boy-enrique-tarrio-wants-out-of-jail-home-confinement-miami-13335530
If only those people that committed actual crimes were prosecuted!
Now, back to the show.
Of course there were violent acts. The people who assaulted police and broke into things and stole things should be punished. The people who were merely trespassing or crossing barriers they weren't supposed to should probably have charges dropped, as usually happens with mass civil disobedience.
Those are all things to be handled by courts.
Now do the BLM riots. Mike - you're a pathetic, progressive hack. Fuck Off.
Guys - stop responding to him. Just mute him along with the other idiots. It's clear he isn't here for honest discussion. He's just trolling.
Mike, this whole thing is a circle jerk that will be ignored by everyone except this have already know the truth, and those, like you, who have already been told what to think. The public isn’t going to vote in this. They’re going to vote on democrat inflation, democrat oppression, and democrat war, if Biden manages to get us into WW3 by November.
Some of the protestors broke the law and should have been sentenc ed a year ago, and out by now. Instead of locked up for a year first.
Title IX is now being used to go after eighth graders who won't use a classmate's preferred pronouns.
Wringing more out of that single sentence than out of the Commerce Clause.
Either go to jail or fail English for calling a single person 'they.'
If we cannot identify what a woman is...how does Title IX apply to anything?
You can't spell "Title IX" without "Tit".
What about "ideological partisan fascist"?
Is that what you get when you solve for X?
Hey wait, Title IX? As in 9, but Roman numerals?
Didn't the Romans own slaves?
No, because slaves were too costly. Pederasty. That was their thing.
In Roman times, slavery and pederasty went together. It wasn't the sons of citizens who were being punked. It wasn't like in classical Greece where man-boy relationships were institutionalized among the upper class.
If we cannot identify what a woman is...how does Title IX apply to anything?
So, why couldn't a school wipe out its women's sports programs without violating Title IX, just by having all its male athletes declare themselves to be women?
Can an eighth grader still get an A in English if he or she calls an indvidual person "they"?
Next stop will be to change the definition of they to 'singular when referring to non-binary or other-gendered individuals'.
See, problem solved.
ESL for newly arrived 'migrants' should be that much more interesting
I always see these investigations announced, but nobody ever reports the results. Do they just never end, or do they not find anything?
You have to wait for the prime-time televised "hearings".
So I did watch the Jan. 6 show last night.
There were a few times when the committee signaled that they were a little too eager to use the committee to "go after Trump".
But overall I think they did a reasonable job of presenting their case to the American people in primetime. Although I would say that Bennie Johnson should get some public speaking instruction. His monotone voice would put anyone to sleep.
One thing that I did not know was that some members of Congress had asked Trump for a pardon right after Jan. 6. That looks very bad.
Recognizing that the Stasi wants to get you --- which it does --- it makes sense to get relief from somebody who can offer it.
The Stasi? Who do you mean specifically?
You didn't' get the memo? Prosecuting J6 rioters is the same as secret police rounding people up because of things they said at the dinner table.
Well, they just arrested the front runner for the MI governorship over alleged misdemeanors. Which they always do. Routinely heard of the FBI going to people and arresting them over misdemeanors.
People need to just take proper aim at FBI agents. Center mass as the head is empty.
Well, they just arrested the front runner for the MI governorship over alleged misdemeanors.
I saw that. Supposedly he's on video assaulting police officers. Are you saying that should be allowed?
The usual red-herring-retort to that is "What about BLM rioters?!? You don't want them prosecuted!! Strawman strawman strawman!! Whine whine whine!!"
The difference is simple. Cameras. If you're going to do stupid shit, don't do it on camera.
No he is not on video assaulting people you retarded fuck.
How do you get everything wrong constantly?
I posted the story and charges below. This is why you're a fucking leftist. Pushing uninformed lies to protect the lefts statist actions.
I've got an idea. Why don't you deliberately ignore the word "Supposedly" so you can accuse me of making an assertion I didn't make, and then finish with some lies and a strawman? Oh wait, you just did.
Support an arrest with zero evidence provided. Got it.
Where did you get this lie from dummy? How hard is it to read a story regarding the facts before you rush to be wrong on this site?
How are you not utterly embarrassed about how wrong you've been the last 3 days, to the point you had to admit you were ignorant?
He hates Trump, and all things Trump adjacent.
"Supposedly he's on video assaulting police officers."
What the hell?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10901159/Michigan-GOP-candidate-charged-role-Capitol-riot.html
FTA: A FBI agent's sworn affidavit says the agent says he was caught on video 'assaulting and pushing past law enforcement officers.'
I'm just the messenger.
Haven't FBI agents been caught lying in affidavits? Like more than once?
Sarc hates all cops except those that attack his enemies.
Did you bother to find the video or read the charges before pushing the lefts narrative?
A FBI agent's sworn affidavit says the agent says he was caught on video 'assaulting"
And yet no assault charges. How peculiar. Almost like the agent was being weasely with his definitions in his statemen.
"pushing past law enforcement officers.'
Cripes! You've changed my mind, sarcaschmuck. That's worthy of an FBI arrest.
"I'm just the messenger"
No you're not. This is not "being a messenger":
" Supposedly he's on video assaulting police officers. Are you saying that should be allowed?
The usual red-herring-retort to that is "What about BLM rioters?!? You don't want them prosecuted!! Strawman strawman strawman!! Whine whine whine!!"
The last 3 days he has been shown to be wrong time and time again pushing leftist lies but he persists.
Sarc, the last few days you’ve gone in at length about how horrible cops are. This includes you impugning their integrity. Now you’re pushing a narrative based on a cop’s statement.
"I saw that. Supposedly he's on video assaulting police officers. Are you saying that should be allowed?"
Know what was not done?
Releasing the video showing he did it.
I know, the FBI would not lie about stuff (all hail the state, amirite comrades?), but some evidence of their claim is needed. The FBI's word is about as useful as Biden's.
"The difference is simple. Cameras. If you're going to do stupid shit, don't do it on camera."
So, conservatives should wear masks and then cause havoc? OK. Doable.
The video is actually out. The charge of vandalism pushed by the prosecutor is from him helping stabilize someone who almost fell over tearing down a barrier. He never even went into the building.
Why should we believe your word on what happened?
Did you repeat about THE FUCKING VIDEO BEING AVAILABLE.
What a fucking idiot you are.
Why don’t you waddle over your computer and look it up yourself. Has it ever occurred to you that your morbid obesity is caused in part by your extreme laziness?
Where's the video? Do you have a link?
All I could find is a video of him running up the Capitol steps shouting THIS IS WAR BABY!
I didn't see any video of him pushing or shoving anyone, or helping anyone up either.
But hey, it sounds like you have better information. Do you have a link?
But hey, it sounds like you have better information. Do you have a link?
It is not going to lick itself. Google it, yourself, sweetheart
Sea lion 101. Keep asking for information so you can make a counter argument without verifying it yourself.
The guy was identified through public crowd sourcing you fat retarded fuck. The public video is how they identified him you fat retarded fuck.
My God. Try not to be so ignorant if you want to pretend to be having honest discourse.
I didn't see any video of him pushing or shoving anyone, or helping anyone up either.
Hint. This is why he isnt charged woth assault despite what sarc knows.
By the way jeff. Do you find it odd you never asked for video of him assaulting someone which started this back and forth?
Wow. There’s video of him not committing assault. He’s not being charged with assault. Jeffsarc heard a rumor that he committed assault, and now Jeffy is demanding another video of him not committing assault to prove he didn’t commit assault.
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
The expectation of equal treatment is not whataboutism.
Do you think the civil rights movement was whataboutism?
And you’re wonder why people give you shit.
You really aren't embarrassed by you admitting you are completely ignorant of the j6 prosecutions from just 2 days ago. So pathetic. Back to applauding them to be locked up for years already.
I've got an idea. Why don't you lie about what I said and attack a strawman. Oh, wait. You just did.
Some "strawman".
" he's on video assaulting police officers. Are you saying that should be allowed?
The usual red-herring-retort to that is "What about BLM rioters?!? You don't want them prosecuted!! Strawman strawman strawman!! Whine whine whine!!"
Yesterday I said multiple times that I think 20 years is excessive. I also pointed out that JesseAz was going to deliberately ignore me and the next day insist that I applaud 20 year sentences.
So he's lying about what I said and attacking a strawman.
As expected.
Either you've got the memory of a goldfish and no recollection ability, or you're the one lying here.
Seriously, the last person I met who acted like you do here, was a 15 year long meth addict.
Same. The guy would lie to my face about conversations we had recently had. Always insisted I was remembering things wrongs. When I’m known for having an unusually detailed and accurate memory.
That was 2 days ago before you claimed you were ignorant to what the charges given were. Despite you defending the actions and attacking people against the charges for over a year. Here is your statement before you admitted to being an ignorant fuck.
sarcasmic
June.8.2022 at 10:27 am
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Charges of trespassing, vandalism and interfering with government business are sufficient. No need to add political crimes to the list.
Here is you admitting youre an ignorant retarded fuck after attacking those against the charges for an hour.
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Ah, didn't realize. That does seem excessive.
And you are back here attacking the protestors yet again.
Everything you push is a leftist lie at this point, based from your ignorance.
Here is you calling more informed people liars for being informed.
sarcasmic
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Lie some more.
Lol. Youre such a piece of shit.
""interfering with government business ""
Like a SCOTUS nomination hearing.
You do realize that with your own quotes you proved my point and showed yourself to be a liar, right?
Jeff, you called me a liar for saying brandy wanted 20 year sentences because you were ignorant as fuck about it. You called me a liar based on your ignorance instead of the truth. Here is the link you lying fuck.
https://reason.com/2022/06/08/seditious-conspiracy-charges-for-proud-boys-taint-january-6-prosecutions/?comments=true#comment-9533096
How the fuck do you push empty lies so willingly easily disproven?
Saec, not jeff, but you two are both lying leftist assholes.
And you’re wonder why people give you shit.
Because immediately after j6 democeats started threatening to lock people up you retarded shit. Which they have been doing what fucking dishonesty from you. The democrats are trying to use this to keep Republicans off ballots dumbfuck.
Because immediately after j6 democeats started threatening to lock people up
Right after Jan. 6, LOTS OF PEOPLE, including Democrats, including Kevin McCarthy himself, supported holding accountable the people responsible. Would you agree?
And I am sure some social media hotheads at some point suggested that maybe all Republicans should be put in jail or something.
Did anyone in any position of authority ever suggest that Republican members of Congress should be put in jail for objecting to the election?
The democrats are trying to use this to keep Republicans off ballots
Yes, some are, trying to use Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. A presidential pardon wouldn't change that though.
Yeet this totalitarian cancer or it will take your freedom and molest your children
Does holding people accountable include 5 year plea deals facing 20 years for non violent acts Jeff?
Do you not see a problem here?
I think holding people accountable depends on the particular nature of each individual person's crimes. What is the specific issue that you are complaining about here? How about providing a link?
And by holding people accountable for criminal actions you also mean all the left wing actions to forgive rioters, nullify charges, and provide bail for crimes committed by progressive comrades, right?
By "forgiving rioters" do you mean individuals who choose to show forgiveness for individual actions? If they want to do that, they are free to do so, whether they are left-wing or right-wing. It may not be wise, but it shouldn't be made illegal. Same with offering bail.
If such "forgiveness" is shown to go in only one direction, yes, it should be made illegal.
You want to make it illegal for an individual to forgive another individual if it isn't accompanied by some other forgiveness of someone else "for fairness"?
That is why the Catholic Church offers the Sacrament of Confession. Try it. Work your many sins off with corporal works of mercy, serving others. No need to know how to lick but knowing how to bend over will come in nicely
If progs are the ONLY ones who get "forgiveness" while conservatives do not...why the hell should that remain legal?
Either the law is the law or it is not. Want to insure people stop following laws? Enforce them unevenly even more.
It should remain legal, but progressives shouldn’t act surprised when anyone who isn’t a progressive decides to not take their bullshit anymore.
Sea lion 101.
You've been given links to the charges and plea deals for a year.
He memory holes that shit and asks for the same thing. Or an unnecessary amount of specificity. Jeffy is excruciating. I’m amazed he remains unmurdered.
Is Chemjeff Brian Stelter? Stelter is similar to how I’ve always pictured Jeffy. Soft, weak, shitweasely, democrat shill……
“There were a few times when the committee signaled that they were a little too eager to use the committee to "go after Trump".
But…” Lefty Jeffy is good with political show trials against Orange Hitler, so he enjoyed the show.
What case?
Why would Congress feel the need to make "the case" to the American people on primetime TV though?
Anyone who broke the law is already facing an individual trial, where the facts and evidence will be weighed, hopefully impartially. Is Congress trying to taint the jury pools?
Cops refuse to release body cam video of the DUI for Pelosis husband.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/10/paul-pelosi-das-office-wont-release-footage-of-dui-arrest/
On its way to the memory hole. Now it's just another right-wing conspiracy.
Funny how actual establishment conspiracy involving coverup is just handwaved away.
DUI? Must have been made up by Fox News and right wing talk radio.
Somebody claimed that the charges here were 'dropped', but the fact-checkers are quick to 'correct the record' that no decision on charges has been made, so there are no charges to drop.
Distinction without a difference, IMO.
Curious that you didn't put the word yet on the end of the sentence, "... no charges to drop."
But then your next sentence wouldn't have made any sense, if you had included the "yet".
Made sense to me.
If no decision on charges has been made then there are currently no charges. So, there are no charges to drop either.
Don't need the yet.
It also doesn't seem likely that they will charge him this late simply to drop the charges, but we all know Mike was just nitpicking because he can't argue with the meat of the post.
Nope. It might be a valid point if the incident had occurred months ago or weeks ago, but it just happened a couple of days ago.
Nope. Arrested May 29th bird.
But hey, keep correcting people on topics you’re completely ignorant of. It makes you look super genuine.
It might be a valid point if the incident had occurred months ago or weeks ago, but it just happened a couple of days ago.
What if it had happened a year and a half ago?
Good morning Peanuts! This is your daily reminder Biden is awesome, his economy is wonderful, and you shouldn't believe writers at wingnut.com sites like "The Washington Post" when they tell you This is worrying: Inflation rose 1% in May alone. There's just not much sign of a slowdown. If anything, inflation is picking up in a lot of categories (even beyond energy).
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
I thought they were too busy fighting amongst themselves to spread disinformation like that.
Ben Dreyfuss explores why people are so mad about Tesla's remote work policies.
Once someone is determined by the mob to be evil, all of his deeds must be regarded likewise.
I can't wait for the woke mobs to start burning Tesla cars.
If leftist totalitarians like ENB want to experience real violence, they're making a strong case for it.
When media, elections, and courts are closed off, when lies will be spread by the establishment about you no matter the reality, and when all protest is insurrection... why not go all in?
Better than simply sitting here waiting for our retirement and bank accounts to be confiscated before the executioner comes to liquidate us and our families.
When media, elections, and courts are closed off, when lies will be spread by the establishment about you no matter the reality, and when all protest is insurrection... why not go all in?
This is what they're trying to provoke. It will justify an increasingly authoritarian crackdown. Just look at how the tyranny amped up as people began pushing back against the COVID lockdowns.
So you're giving the frog the option of being boiled fast or slow but boiled alive regardless, that is the choice you present.
Bullfuckingshit.
How easy it is and sit back and say "they're just trying to provoke us" to make yourself feel better about doing nothing.
Meanwhile they get everything they want and can be even more brazen in taking your livelihood.
This shit isn't going to just go away if you sit back and wait. It's going to get worse. It's going to get much, much worse.
We’re past the point where America can both survive and also tolerate the existence of the democrat party.
"Just look at how the tyranny amped up as people began pushing back against the COVID lockdowns."
This is a truly amazing statement.
Think about it for just a minute...
people began pushing back against the COVID lockdowns.
Uh...no, they didn't. Almost everyone simply obeyed. Only the tiniest handful of Americans so much as spoke up about the lockdowns. The "pushing back" was insignificant.
this is valid, when one party can exclude other parties from getting on ballots just for saying something they disagree with then we no longer have a republic or even a democracy and hence acquiescence or violent force become the only alternatives. there is nothing left to loose. I luckily still have hope that people will see through this shame trial. punish those who did violence to police and ignore the rest. I don't want a pardon because that assumes guilt but there was no crime for walking into the capital by 99% of the people there
when one party can exclude other parties from getting on ballots just for saying something they disagree with then we no longer have a republic or even a democracy
The 14th Amendment, Section 3, says:
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Do you find this problematic? If so, how?
Tell us how Resist! (TM) is different from rebellion? And make sure to explain how resisters who spoke about revolution, murder, and burning it all down meant something else.
They were leftists. So open ignoring and fighting against your elected lead is fine there for jeff.
Tell us how Resist! (TM) is different from rebellion?
It would depend on what you consider to be the standard for "rebellion".
I would advocate that the legal definition of "rebellion" be considered very narrow, since it is such a serious charge.
I would say that, legally, a genuine rebellion ought to include both (a) armed violent resistance, and (b) an intention to overthrow the established government authority.
So by this standard, merely SPEAKING about wanting to refuse government authority wouldn't be "rebellion" since there is no armed violent component to that.
What do you think?
..., legally, a genuine rebellion ought to include both (a) armed violent resistance, and (b) an intention to overthrow the established government authority.
Welllll, that pretty much lynches the DNC with their ANTIFA BLM violent brownshirts, which segues nicely to Hillary / Obama / Biden / DOJ / CIA / FBI carrying through an overthrow a US President from Day 1 of Inauguration day
You should go into hiding for laying out the logic because given the Clinton's history of Arkanciding their friends, and the DOJ throwing people into prison for whatever, you should be afraid.
So Jeffy does think it was an insurrection.
So why them is Chuck Schumer not being charged for inciting insurrection when he threatened violence against SCOTUS justices? One of your allies tried to murder one of them the other day!
Feel free to try to use Section 3 above to try to get Schumer removed from the ballot in New York.
You'd be doing the country a favor if you succeeded.
The problem is the democrats will protect him. The law is either a tool or an impediment to be ignored for them.
Trying to apply it to a protest that got out of hand is pretty problematic. It was meant to exclude people who fought the US government in the civil war. Comparisons of Jan 6 to the Civil War are beyond absurd. A bunch of unarmed people showed up, with no plan of what to do when they got into the building, made no attempt to kill or kidnap anyone, did some minor property damage and left. At what point was the government in danger of being overthrown? And what evidence is there that there was any intention to do anything other than convincing congress not to certify the vote?
Trying to apply it to a protest that got out of hand is pretty problematic.
That married guy from Florida carrying Speaker Pelosi's podium, and waving frantically like a big ol' gurl......truly problematic. And what is with the reels of video showing morbidly obese men trying to scale a wall, rush a door and look like lard asses out of breath? They could have at least consulted with Yale Law school grads, BLM ANTIFA thugs and Gen Z Latte-drinking kids, on tips on how to look grunge, slim and fit while throwing Molotov cocktails. SMH
I see Jeff decided to ignore your well thought out question. Funny that.
Pelosi shelved a bill yesterday intended to protect justices from activists outside their homes. Meanwhile liberal groups start posting where the justices kids go to school.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/liberals-mock-republicans-effort-to-protect-supreme-court-justices-after-threat-to-kavanaugh/
Well Jesse, we can't protect kids in schools. Why the fuck should justices get extra protection?
We've offered plenty of measures to protect kids in schools. But because it does not wholesale violate the rights of ordinary citizens, Stasi groupies like you oppose it.
Because they're about to overturn RvW.
Kids were protected in schools just yesterday.
Well Jesse, we can't protect kids in schools.
Why are you leftists so obsessed with chasing after kids? Does legitimizing "cross-generational relationships," as your ally Gayle Rubin put it, really matter that much to you?
"Why the fuck should justices get extra protection?"
Because you sociopaths are trying to murder them?
It has already been memory holed.
As was Hodgkinson in 2017
Because you democrats are actively trying to murder them.
thats just what the Cartels do in Mexico they tell the cops and justices they know where their wives and kids are. that is a scary level that the left is taking this to.
That's how Progressives do compassion.
Intimidating a judge in order to affect a court decision is already illegal.
Yeah, we really don’t need more laws that won’t apply to the left anyway.
The FBI arrest of a GOP candidate in Michigan is raising questions. He was charged solely woth misdemeanors and not the 20 year charge felony of disruption of congress. This appears to be an arrest solely to get him off the ballot.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2022/06/fbi-arrest-michigan-republican-gubernatorial-candidate-ryan-kelly-raids-home/
This is grade A banana republic level stuff. If you can't pressure private companies to deplatform your political opponents, just arrest them?
Drag queen drama continues.
Isn't drama endemic to the subject?
What, there were trannies in the Jan 6 pageant broadcast?
White nationalist Tulsa Gabbard slams the J6 political hearings.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/this-is-not-america-tulsi-gabbard-slams-jan-6-hearings
“Why are the news networks colluding with a political party to tell us this is the most important thing?” Carlson asked.
Huh. So every time the news networks present a live presidential speech or news conference or, in this case, Congressional committee meeting, they are "colluding with a political party"? Is that what collusion means now?
Oh wait, I get it.
When the media broadcasts a government event that Carlson likes, then that is the media being responsible stewards of the public trust.
When the media broadcasts a government event that Carlson doesn't like, then that is the media "colluding with a political party".
This was a bloated campaign ad. It contained preproduced video from the president of ABC. It wasn't just a "government event."
Dumbass.
It contained preproduced video from the president of ABC.
It did? Do you have evidence for this claim?
Sea lion 101.
Let me do a Jesse translation here:
"Accusation of sealioning" = "Admission that Jesse can't back up his claims and so he goes into default attack mode instead of actually trying to participate in a discussion"
Lol. This looks terrible after the next comment.
When has he ever participated in a discussion other than to call people names?
I call you, jeff, and Mike names because you are dishonest pieces of shit.
They’ve gone way beyond dishonest at this point. They are cheering political prosecutions, a two tiered justice system, and an obvious, concerted effort to turn this country into a one party state.
Their hatred has driven them to evil.
He does it all the time.
The two of you just need to fuck or fight already and then get a fucking beer.
By the way jeff. You were given evidence yesterday after I called you out as a sea lion by ML and you never responded. Why?
Sea lion 202 is never admitting you were wrong?
This is why you aren't given links anymore. You're a dishonest actor.
Jesse, I asked for any evidence whatsoever that Pelosi was consulted before Jan. 6 on the request for more National Guard troops. No one provided any such evidence. All they could muster was an ASSUMPTION that since the House SAA *was* consulted, and the House SAA reports to Pelosi, that the House SAA consulted Pelosi on the matter. That is an ASSUMPTION and there is no evidence to support that assumption.
You were given evidence of the chain of command. You were told about the phone records of Pelosi being informed. You were given Bowser statements regarding how it would look.
You are a sea lion.
You were given evidence of the chain of command.
Actually, more like an organizational chart. That's right. In most organizations, however, subordinates are not required to report *every decision* to their superiors. So simply establishing an organizational structure, is necessary but not sufficient to prove the claim that Pelosi was consulted on the National Guard troop request.
You were told about the phone records of Pelosi being informed.
On Jan. 6, yes. Not before.
You were given Bowser statements regarding how it would look.
Bowser is the mayor of DC, not the Speaker of the House. Not sure how that's relevant here.
So once again you are "mistaken", i.e., lying.
You were given evidence of the chain of command.
Actually, more like an organizational chart.
Imagine thinking anyone buys this line of bullshit.
"All they could muster was an ASSUMPTION that since the House SAA"
Sworn testimony by the chief of the Hill Police. And the Sergeant at Arms is mandated to report those requests to the speaker. So it's not an "ASSUMPTION", you lying fuck, it's policy.
And the Sergeant at Arms is mandated to report those requests to the speaker.
Where is your evidence for this claim?
Sea lion 101.
It’s well known. You’re just being tedious because you know you’ve lost.
Do you also need proof that the sky is blue Jeffy?
You're such a fucking piece-of-shit sealion, wasting my time demanding sources for the commonly known and fucking obvious.
"§78. Duties of Sergeant at Arms
It shall be the duty of the Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives to attend the House during its sittings, to maintain order under the direction of the Speaker, and, pending the election of a Speaker or Speaker pro tempore, under the direction of the Clerk, execute the commands of the House and all processes issued by authority thereof, directed to him by the Speaker.
(a) The Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives shall have the same law enforcement authority, including the authority to carry firearms, as a member of the Capitol Police."
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-2010-title2-section78&num=0&edition=2010
Under the direction of the Speaker of the House or other presiding officer, the Sergeant at Arms plays an integral role in maintaining order and decorum in the House chamber.
Protection and Security
The Sergeant at Arms is responsible for ensuring the safety and security of Members of Congress, congressional staff, visiting national and foreign dignitaries, and tourists.
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/98-835/12?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=FFQKZVvz9Xmfe22tW54erCCUElJjgyEyiXNxKoVJxdU-1642988929-0-gaNycGzNCH0
Now watch Jeff write an entire paragraph trying to lawyer the meaning of "direction". "Hurr durr, it means map directions or the points on a compass, not instructions".
Well thank you for those links.
I interpret the first quotation as meaning that it is the job of the House Sergeant-at-Arms to maintain order in the House chamber while the House is in session. I don't interpret that to mean that it's the House SAA's job to protect all of Congress at all times.
In fact, here is the law establishing the Capitol Police Board:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?hl=false&edition=prelim&path=%2Fprelim%40title2%2Fchapter29&req=granuleid%3AUSC-prelim-title2-section1901a&num=0&saved=L3ByZWxpbUB0aXRsZTIvY2hhcHRlcjI5%7CZ3JhbnVsZWlkOlVTQy1wcmVsaW0tdGl0bGUyLWNoYXB0ZXIyOQ%3D%3D%7C%7C%7C0%7Cfalse%7Cprelim
§1901a. Capitol Police Board
(a) Capitol Police Board; composition; redefining mission
(1) Purpose
The purpose of the Capitol Police Board is to oversee and support the Capitol Police in its mission and to advance coordination between the Capitol Police and the Sergeant at Arms of the House of Representatives and the Sergeant at Arms and Doorkeeper of the Senate, in their law enforcement capacities, and the Congress. Consistent with this purpose, the Capitol Police Board shall establish general goals and objectives covering its major functions and operations to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of its operations.
And if you look at the Capitol Police Board website, their mission statement is:
Protect the Congress – its Members, employees, visitors, and facilities – so it can fulfill its constitutional and legislative responsibilities in a safe, secure and open environment.
https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/our-mission
Putting all of these pieces of evidence together, it appears evident to me that it is the Capitol Police Board that is responsible for security for all of the Capitol.
Furthermore, none of this proves the claim that the House SAA is *required* to report things like a request for National Guard troops to the Speaker of the House.
So the citation you provided, while informative, doesn't actually prove the claim that I asked you to prove.
"Putting all of these pieces of evidence together, it appears evident to me that it is the Capitol Police Board that is responsible for security for all of the Capitol."
There's no possible way you could have missed this:
"Toward this mission, the Sergeant at Arms works in concert with the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. These three officials comprise the Capitol Police Board. 20"
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/98-835/12?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=FFQKZVvz9Xmfe22tW54erCCUElJjgyEyiXNxKoVJxdU-1642988929-0-gaNycGzNCH0
We know from the Chief's testimony that the Sergeant at Arms who reports to Pelosi told the Chief he absolutely couldn't bring in the guard. We know that the Senate Sergeant at Arms told him to ask the guard to standby but that was overruled by the Sergeant at Arms.
There's no way to weasel around this, Jeffy. Pelosi was absolutely in charge.
And BY THE WAY. Where did the idea come from that Pelosi was somehow personally responsible for the lack of security at the Capitol? Straight from Republican talking points.
https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1418032989246611462
Which is of course why no one ever brings up Chuck Grassley - because if Pelosi was somehow responsible because the House SAA reported to her, then wouldn't Grassley also be EQUALLY responsible since the Senate SAA reported to him? But that's not a part of the Republican talking points.
That is how you know people like Jesse and ML are just regurgitating Republican propaganda instead of proposing a serious argument. I hope they are at least getting paid for their efforts.
Do the democrats pay you? Also, you never apologized to me for falsely claiming that I accused you of molesting children.
Yes, he's a paid shill, but if I were his boss at the fifty-cent factory I'd be docking his pay.
Do the democrats pay you?
Likely Act Blue. They are hiring, as a matter of fact, given the election year. Expect more of them
https://secure.actblue.com/jobs
Where did the idea come from that Pelosi was somehow personally responsible for the lack of security at the Capitol?
Probably from partisan, bigoted right-wing sources like 2 USC 78: Duties of Sergeant at Arms, House Rule II and House Practice: A Guide to the Rules, Precedents and Procedures of the House, Chapter 34. Office of the Speaker.
"instead of proposing a serious argument"
You're the one lawyering definitions, attempting distraction, trying to redirect conversation, lying about what was said, sealioning, pettifogging provided sources and refusing to provide your own. You're also not tricking anyone. Everyone can read what we wrote and can see what you wrote. Your latest claims aren't sitting alone in the ether, shillboy.
I used to go head to head, mano a mano, with David Brock online. It was glorious. Media Matters Trolls arent what they used to be but they can be fun in a mischievous way.
I very seriously doubt that you were skimming the US Code and at that moment, you formed the conclusion that it was Nancy Pelosi who was responsible for security for all of Congress.
My hypothesis is that you believe Nancy Pelosi is responsible for security for all of Congress because right-wing partisans such as Kevin McCarthy actively spread this idea far and wide, you heard it, you accepted it because it came from a source you trusted and it blamed the people you hate, and now you continue to push it even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the idea is incorrect because you are a deeply invested right-wing tribalist who won't admit that he's wrong in the face of someone whom you deem to be a member of the opposing tribe.
Did you miss the news about the former head of ABC News producing it? It was not a secret.
The FORMER head of ABC News, you say?
Wouldn't you say that is different than the claim that the *network itself* is producing a video on behalf of the government?
Appealing to pedantry again, I see.
It's a rather significant difference between an individual working in his own professional capacity, not representing any organization or institution other than himself, and an individual working on the explicit behalf of the organization for whom he works, don't you think?
If that's the argument you're making, then no.
Wait wait. So a guy retires from ABC News, and now decides to work on another project, and you think that in the course of this new project, he should still be regarded as an official representative of ABC News?
Not on paper maybe. To preserve the illusion. But hey, keep on splitting hairs.
You do understand that you’re hated here, and probably everywhere else, for your sea lioning, right?
If that's the argument you're making, then yes.
I would have to agree it is significant that the former television producer was hired for his professional abilities and is working explicitly on behalf of the J6 Commitee to 'produce' these hearings for a prime time show. He is not some independent contractor, and we, the people, get to pay his fees.
I find that a significant problem.
You find it a significant problem that the committee hired any producer at all to help produce the presentation last night?
You find it a significant problem that the committee hired any producer at all to help produce the presentation last night?
Yes. I have a real issue with having a professional producer produce a documentary style news presentation and call it a formal hearing. The fact you don't tells me all I need to know about where you stand on wasting tax dollars on hyperbolic political theatre.
It's a school of sophism, you shouldn't be surprised.
Odd, Carlson never criticized airing of the State of the Union. Did not criticize airing of the impeachment trials.
Yup, your take is a solid one.
He obviously thought those were worthy of public interest.
He uses the word "collusion" when he doesn't think it's worthy of public interest.
Or because the networks collided with J6. They have been since the event. Leaking selective video. Hosting j6 members and aides. Pushing their narrative instead of the full truth. Refusing to air footage forced from the DoJ harmful to the narrative.
Do you have any evidence for any of these claims?
All of them are known.
You ignore links, so of course, not going to waste time with those for you.
You don't have links.
Sea lion 101.
Ignore the links provided in the past and keep asking for them over and over until people grow tired of it.
Jesse, I will admit that for the longest time I had you on mute, so if you posted a link I didn't read it.
But obviously now you are not on mute. So, where's the link?
Do you have proof that you actually had Jesse on mute? If so, post it.
I need to see an impartial third party link demonstrating you had Jesse on mute, sealion.
Lol.
The sea lion is still loudly roaring.
You have to be working hard to remain this ignorant.
Sea lion 101.
Do you want me to post all the television news stories or something?
Why don't you start with any evidence whatsoever for any of those claims?
When he makes assertions it's truth. When you make arguments backed with evidence it's a leftist lie. Don't you know anything?
Except I provide evidence. You blindly repeat shit like gop congressmen assaulting officers despite the charges not saying that or the video available.
I'm glad you and Jeff have found love though.
Jeff, if I give you one example of one of the j6 members talking about findings in the media will you admit you are a sea lion? Or will you ask again tomorrow for the same evidence?
If the former I will post immediately a link showing the media hosting and leaking j6 findings.
But we know you will do the latter.
Why would I admit to being something that I am not?
I love how both you and ML are now using customary standards of argumentation - i.e., providing evidence for claims - as tools of extortion.
Above, this is what you claimed is occurring:
the networks collided with J6. They have been since the event. Leaking selective video. Hosting j6 members and aides. Pushing their narrative instead of the full truth. Refusing to air footage forced from the DoJ harmful to the narrative.
Now, all of this might be 100% true. I simply don't know, and I would like to judge for myself. You would not accept a claim from me at face value without proof, why should I accept a claim from you at face value without proof?
Do you actually WANT to try to prove your claim, or do you just want to push the Republican narrative?
Wait wait we all know the answer to this one, your whole job here is to defend the right and attack the enemies of the right. It doesn't even matter if the claim is true or false! What matters is if people *believe* the claim. Like voting machines being hacked. Like Pelosi specifically refusing a request for extra security before Jan. 6. All lies, but hey, Team Red believes them, and that's all that is needed to drive votes and secure power.
"I love how both you and ML are now using customary standards of argumentation - i.e., providing evidence for claims - as tools of extortion."
What the fuck are you trying to lie about now. That the half dozen links I gave your sealioning ass today, is somehow "extortion"? (wut?) Or the fact that I demanded you reciprocate is?
Hey Jeff's boss! Can you give us a different fifty-center? A less obvious, less whiney, less retarded one?
Put Jeffy on somewhere easier like 9gag or Disney Kids or something.
"Now, all of this might be 100% true. I simply don't know, and I would like to judge for myself.
If you don't know by now, you're retarded.
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Why would I admit to being something that I am not?
Conflicted Gay men lie, closeted gay men married to women lie like the dickens, and Trans are the worse liars that make skanks look divine. Yeah, you are not what you want others to believe.
By this comment jeff it appears you know that the media often collides with democrats including the j6 committee. So why were you being a sea lion?
I didn't say that. I said that your claims *might* be true.
Are you asking why I am requesting that you prove your claims?
If you have to constantly clarify what you *actually* meant, you’re probably dishonest.
"He uses the word "collusion" when he doesn't think it's worthy of public interest."
It is not. And collusion is a kind word for it.
He does not complain when something in the public interest is aired. He does when a partisan political campaign ad is aired.
I can see the similarities. Really.
I bet the 1/6 hearings will draw much higher ratings than the usual prime time fare the networks air.
“He uses the word "collusion" when he doesn't think it's worthy of public interest.”
Can you prove that? Do you have a cite?
Jeff should just declare his love for the Democratic establishment and big state vision.
I support fully investigating the Jan. 6 events and presenting those findings to the world so that we may all learn from them, in hopes that it doesn't happen again. Do you?
No you don't. You support the prosecution and democratic narrative.
You have never called for an investigation into the decision for national guard support. In fact you deflect when it is brought up.
You never discuss the charges for non violent acts. The abusive subpoenas to get political emails and coordination from people not even there.
Youre a leftist pushing leftist narratives.
No you don't.
Yes, I do. I think I'm a better judge of my own motivations than you are, Jesse.
I believe everything surrounding Jan. 6 should be investigated. Including the request for National Guard troops, including organizers of the protest, all of it. Do you?
Too bad the Republicans turned down the offer for a truly bipartisan commission and worked to undermine the investigation at every turn instead of helping to support it.
Yes, I do. I think I'm a better judge of my own motivations than you are, Jesse.
This typically isn't true of people. We tend to be poor judges of our own motivations, that's why it's often helpful to listen to people we disagree with.
Wow! That was disingenuous!
Caw caw!
Can you prove that?
I am happy to listen to constructive advice from individuals offering such advice in good faith.
That is not the case with Jesse however.
Can you provide evidence that this is true? Otherwise your claims are merely self serving, and evidence of you obsession with Jesse.
You're so full of shit. You wouldn't be trolling and shitposting the board now if that were true.
You never respond to constructive device. It is worthless arguing with you. You've even caused posters like Overt to give up trying to have discussions.
Actually, I had a good discussion with Overt just the other day.
I said I will listen to constructive advice offered in good faith. That is not the case with you, or ML, or Ted, or R Mac, or damikesc, or Nardz, or a few others.
Youre such a fucking liar jeff.
Everyone knows you're a shit weasel here.
And that's when we all know you've hit rock bottom and you have completely lost: you offer *nothing but* insults. Not EVEN a strawman to burn. Not EVEN someone's quote taken out of context. Not EVEN a link to some tangentially relevant article that only serves to deflect and not to inform. ONLY insults.
You have nothing.
And you won't even answer the question I posed - do you think EVERYTHING surrounding Jan. 6 should be investigated? That is because we all know the answer is "no". Because you know that a full and fair investigation would only result in Republicans being cast in a bad light. Since your job here is to push Team Red talking points, you can't have that.
Quite frankly, at this point, insults are the most that you deserve.
Everything about your narrative turned out to be a lie but you still push it every chance that you get.
Too bad we’re not getting that and instead are being treated to a live version of Wag the Dog, right down to a TV producer and clearly rehearsed lines.
Are you honestly this stupid jeff? Honestly question.
He is. You guys should really just mute him already. Clogs up the comments section.
I've only muted kar and sqrsly due to copy-paste bullshit.
Dude, have you heard any of the coverage from major news networks?
He has, but his blind hatred for Jesse and Trump will not let him admit that either one could ever be right.
And, speaking of Tucker Carlson.
He broadcast his show last night, the same time as the Jan. 6 show, the one on which Gabbard appeared for her comments, and he did so without commercial interruption. That seems a little odd, don't you think? Why do you think that is?
Because when the entire media space is airing the same thing, you'd be a moron to not counter program.
It's called competition.
But without commercial interruption?
Which networks had commercials?
And? I've seen plenty of broadcasts aired without commercial interruptions. Not that rare an occurence.
Who advertised on ABC during Cheney's kangaroo court show?
That's different because FYTW
Sounds suspicious. I think the FBI needs to investigate. We might learn that he was politically motivated. Wouldn't that be just outrageous?
They did the same thing with the Doctor Who 50th anniversary special ‘The Day of the Doctor’. Was that also some kind of ‘right wing’ comsliracy?
So?
But without commercial interruption?
The commercials were subliminal, like the ole days. A secret message for all of the radical, white supremacists to follow. The hidden place for the next Insurrection.
If only the FBI had watched...
To deliberately fuck with you and your lefty boos, because he knew damn you'd notice it and think there was some hidden nefarious intent.
Rather what I figured your response would be.
Hey, you wanted an answer, fat boy. What's the problem?
The problem is that he hasn't been executed yet
“without commercial interruption.”
WHAT A MONSTER!
Also, do you have a cite for this being odd?
ahem, that's alt-right white nationalist Tulsi Gabbard.
Inside every vegan Samoan Hindu woman is a white Christian male ruining chemleft's narrative.
Tulsi is hot. I would never cheat on my husband, but if I met Tulsi in person, I could see myself switching teams
Oh, is this your hot take? The hearings that detail how some assholes wanted to overthrow our rightfully elected government might be useful?
Only pea-brained fucks and fascists can't see the huge danger in letting this slide. If it does then it serves as a dry run for doing it again.
It's one of the more consequential moments in our nation's history and our response to it will determine our future. Sadly I don't expect much given how many people can't be assed enough to care about our institutions. Either because they just don't care or if they're rooting for their own dictatorship.
Assassination attempts on Republicans and SCOTUS justices by progressives are no big concern, however.
Clearly, one of the bigger mistakes Republicans made was blocking war crimes charges on Dick Cheney.
Red herring: something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important question.
Odd, that those were not treated as serious (the press did make the assassination attempt a below-the-fold story).
What about the price of tea in China?
Do you think screaming fallacy makes you look intelligent?
Makes me look a lot more intelligent than people like you who can only "win" arguments by employing fallacies and attacking people.
Lol. Not it shows you to be a hypocrite and most times ignorant of what fallacy you're screaming actually means.
Except that's exactly what you've done in this very thread... several times.
The self-awareness of a tardigrade.
He hopes so.
Only pea-brained fucks and fascists can't see the huge danger in letting this slide. If it does then it serves as a dry run for doing it again.
Considering dingleberry's allies and their NGO benefactors already had such plans up and ready to go if Trump HAD won, and had already indicated they had no problem not trying to storm the White House the previous summer, and were subsequently told to NOT counter-protest on January 6th because fights would inevitably break out and hurt Biden's image (Time Magazine even admitted as such), pointing out what a bunch of violent assholes leftists are when they don't get their way is pertinent to the situation.
A red herring is a false lead or when the wrong person is suspected.
bringing up a new issue is just changing the subject, or helping to keep the problem being discussed in the proper perspective.
People protesting for election integrity on public property is not a threat to the republic. Since some of the protestors got out of hand and broke various laws, they should be charged and tried with speedy public trials.
Raspberry didn’t ask a relevant or important question. He threw his mental midget shit fit and called everyone names.
What is it about liberals that makes them think they're the moral superiors of fascists?
Whatever else the fascists got up to, they weren't putting little boys in dresses and cutting off their dicks.
You really think history is going to remember you any more kindly?
What is it about liberals that makes them think they're the moral superiors of fascists?
Especially since they become fascists whenever they are granted a modicum of power.
Fascist would be a step up in the world for them.
"What is it about liberals that makes them think they're the moral superiors of fascists?"
Religious zealots tend push their morality on others.
Whatever else the fascists got up to, they weren't putting little boys in dresses and cutting off their dicks.
Yes, they were. The techniques of medical "sex reassignment" were developed by the Nazis.
Not true. That was prior to the Nazis. It was the Nazis that put a stop to it.
https://timeline.com/how-the-nazis-derailed-the-medical-advances-around-sexual-reassignment-surgery-eb8d4f21c463
You've never heard of Dr. Mengele?
Now do the McCarthy hearings.
They're ongoing, ENB is a fan, it seems.
""The hearings that detail how some assholes wanted to overthrow our rightfully elected government might be useful?""
Can we include the attempts to remove Trump?
It's as if people don't remember the get rid of him at any cost that was going on from 2016-2020,
So you must feel the same way about the coordinated riots throughout 2020 committed by leftists, and aided/abetted by the democrat party.
Biden continues to have the greatest economy in history as the 12 month inflation rate reaches 8.6%
https://www.dailywire.com/news/inflation-reaches-8-6-setting-new-four-decade-high
HAPERINFLATION!!!!!!!!!!
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
Spittin tabaccy prices are skyrocketing.
Did Buttplug finally get arrested for child rape?
Remember when a couple of people here were slamming Trump when the stock market went down under his watch?
They are silent now.
"The result was a cohesive and disturbing view of the lead-up to the day's events and their aftermath."
TV scripts usually are cohesive, in contrast to reality, which tends to be messy. The idea that you're praising them for putting together a one sided propaganda show is pretty disturbing.
But thoroughly and utterly unsurprising.
THIS one time, we should trust the state.
Well, they've been right about Trump so many times so far.
I'm beginning to think Reason is auditioning for the role of "controlled opposition" in the next police state.
Seems like they're all auditioning for a spot with Vox.
They should have mixed in more videos of the guy in the Water Buffalos hat to make it more multi-dimensional?
How about the hours of video footage of the other side of the building that had people minding barriers, guide rails, and police waiving them in?
How about footage of trump saying to go peacefully protest. How about a timeline showing the events happened before the speech ended?
Mike's too busy dry humping the corpse of the Sicknick narrative to notice real occurrences.
they complained that Trump didn't call for the national guard. why would he when Pelosi said no when he requested them the day before. People get what they deserve. also note Trump was banned from social media so there was no way for him to " call off the riots" like they supposedly asked him to do
why would he when Pelosi said no when he requested them the day before.
And this lie will simply never die, will it?
also note Trump was banned from social media so there was no way for him to " call off the riots" like they supposedly asked him to do
Trump was tweeting DURING the riots. He wasn't banned until aftewards.
Can you prove it’s a lie? Where is your cite?
"Trump was banned from social media so there was no way"
Gosh, how did Presidents address the public before social media came along? I wonder...
He should've fundraised to pay the bail for those accused.
And a network TV broadcast would have reached the protesters in the Capitol?
Like when he gave a speech where he specifically told the crowd to act peacefully? Unlike Schumer where he threatened Gorsuch and Kavanaugh. Why are you not calling for Schumer’s removal and arrest?
Yes, shutting down a main channel for reaching voters for just one of the running candidates is totes okay.
Reaching voters? The vote had already taken place, weeks before.
And Twitter is not a major channel. Most people don’t use it.
In an actual trial, we have an adversarial system. The reason is because one-sidedness tends to mistreat the narrative, and it's good to have opposition there to poke holes in it. Notice that this was basically a prosecution's opening statement-Impeachment 3.0-and yet there's no defense there to issue their own counterstatement. Because that would really mess with the narrative.
I agree. A trial is better than a hearing.
But, also, keep in mind that Republicans were given the opportunity to be more involved in this hearing. Republican leadership chose, for political reasons, to not be involved, so that they could more easily convince their base of the talking point that the whole thing a show trial.
That’s not why they decided not to be involved liar.
Republicans were not allowed to choose their own representatives. Pelosi hand picked known anti Trump traitors Cheney and Kinzinger.
Yeah, if I had a year and a half and a tax-payer funded TV producer, I probably could stitch together a "cohesive" narrative about pretty much anything.
UFOs!!!!!!
Cheney's presentation "is specific and uses snippets of evidence very effectively to make the case," suggested University of California, Irvine, law and political science professor Rick Hasen. "It is a strong opening argument short on invective. Showing not telling."
Snippets. Like someone who doesn't want to tell the full truth?
I also like how it implies this was a prosecution and not a fact finding mission.
"2000 Mules" was more compelling and believable.
It's basically them trying to redo the impeachment trial, without having to deal with a pesky defense.
Doesn't James O'Keefe get heat for "selective editing"? Even though ALL news is, you know, edited.
This gets praise?
Yes. Even when he posts the full video.
And the difference is that he posts HIS video (O'Keefe owns it) while the Committee won't release OUR video (We, taxpayers, did pay for all of it, after all)
"Michigan GOP hopeful charged in Jan. 6 riot, roiling primary"
[...]
"Kelley, a real estate broker who lives in Allendale Township, is accused of disruptive conduct, injuring public property and entering restricted space without permission, according to the criminal complaint...."
https://www.twincities.com/2022/06/10/michigan-gop-hopeful-charged-in-jan-6-riot-roiling-primary/
And creatin' a nuisance!
"Someone tell Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) mandatory minimum sentences are always a bad idea"
OK, then what about permanent exile?
Just a few notes about Jan. 6 though.
Yesterday, damikesc tried to argue that the Jan. 6 committee is "illegitimate" because the minority party didn't get the unrestricted authority to choose members for the committee; they had to be chosen "in consultation with" the Speaker of the House. And Pelosi did reject two of McCarthy's choices.
I pointed out that the language used to create the committee was very similar to that used to create other House Select committees in the past, both by Democrats and Republicans - that the minority party got the power to choose its membership on the committee, but only "in consultation with" the Speaker of the House. So this wasn't some nefarious plan specifically about this committee, this is apparently a reasonably long-standing precedent in the House.
It should also be noted that the original plan for investigating Jan. 6 was a bipartisan, 9/11-style independent commission, in which the minority party WOULD have had the power to select its own members without having to consult with the majority power, AND, both sides would have had to agree to any subpoena that was considered. Those provisions were added by the Democrats at the behest of the Republicans. But the Republicans ultimately voted it down anyway. So, we ended up with this House Select Committee instead.
The bottom line is, the Republicans never wanted this investigated in the first place.
"I pointed out that the language used to create the committee was very similar to that used to create other House Select committees in the past, both by Democrats and Republicans - that the minority party got the power to choose its membership on the committee, but only "in consultation with" the Speaker of the House."
You can continue pretending that minority party members were openly refused seat on committees, which has never happened before this kangaroo court.
Again, keep defending the precedent. No chance it will be used repeatedly in the future.
This is an illegitimate committee and nobody should pay heed to anything they do and should proceed to file suit against every member individually.
And then set up a right wing group that provides home addresses for members for "peaceful" protests outside their houses. Permanently.
This is an illegitimate committee
So was every House Select committee illegitimate that contained this type of language for the membership of the committee?
The ones that blocked minority members from serving, yes.
Not sure why you're having such difficulty following.
Let me remind you that the Republicans had the opportunity to have a bipartisan commission with full authority to choose its own membership on the committee, without having to consult the Democrats, but the Republicans turned down that offer.
I'm beginning to think that it was the Republican strategy from the beginning to undermine the entire investigation, by refusing to participate and then declaring it illegitimate because they didn't participate.
"Let me remind you that the Republicans had the opportunity to have a bipartisan commission with full authority to choose its own membership on the committee, without having to consult the Democrats, but the Republicans turned down that offer."
Oh. So because the GOP did not do what the Dems wanted, they deserve what they get. Got it.
Again, people need to countersue the commissioners. All of them. Individually.
"I'm beginning to think that it was the Republican strategy from the beginning to undermine the entire investigation, by refusing to participate and then declaring it illegitimate because they didn't participate."
Good thing the Dems helped them so in that effort.
Oh. So because the GOP did not do what the Dems wanted, they deserve what they get. Got it.
The bipartisan commission proposal was exceedingly fair. Evenly split committee membership, each side had unrestricted power to choose their members, every subpoena had to be approved by both sides. And they turned it down.
Actually, the Republicans got exactly what they wanted: a narrative that the whole process is illegitimate. Which is ALL they wanted. They never wanted a legitimate investigation. They wanted to undermine and discredit the whole thing.
What would you call someone who deliberately tries to undermine an investigation?
"What would you call someone who deliberately tries to undermine an investigation?"
A Democrat
So Kevin McCarthy is a Democrat?
No. Just not dumb enough to give cover to Pelosi. He's dumb, to be sure, but not Pelosi dumb.
The minority members had no members sat. Kizinger and Cheney were part of the democrats selections fucking moron.
The leadership of one party actually exercising that authority is unprecedented. Whatever the actual language used to create the committees, it has been tradition in the modern era for each party to have unrestricted control over committee membership.
In addition, this committee is illegitimate because it serves no legislative function and is not an oversight committee of any executive office. It is clearly and openly acting as political opposition research and doubling an investigative arm of the Justice Department, but without any of the standard Constitutional protections that attach to a criminal investigation. It is not Congress's role to investigate crimes or execute the law.
Yeah, I was focusing on ONE portion of its illegitimacy. It has far more than that. The non-legislation makes this committee illegal. Cannot use Congress to just bypass Constitutional restraints.
The leadership of one party actually exercising that authority is unprecedented. Whatever the actual language used to create the committees, it has been tradition in the modern era for each party to have unrestricted control over committee membership.
As I said, if the Republicans didn't want to have their membership choices subject to consultation with the Speaker of the House, why did they turn down the bipartisan commission offer?
this committee is illegitimate because it serves no legislative function and is not an oversight committee of any executive office
There is no rule that every committee must be legislative or oversight. It is a Select Committee. Their general purpose is fact-finding in nature. They are not a new thing, they have been around since the very first Congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Select_or_special_committee_(United_States_Congress)
It is clearly and openly acting as political opposition research
Sure, just like lots of Congressional activity. What *precisely* do you think those endless Benghazi hearings were all about, anyway?
and doubling an investigative arm of the Justice Department, but without any of the standard Constitutional protections that attach to a criminal investigation
The committee isn't conducting a criminal investigation. I suppose they might have referred individuals to the Justice Department, but after that, it's up to the DOJ to deal with it.
It is not Congress's role to investigate crimes or execute the law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations
Illegitimate?
"There is no rule that every committee must be legislative or oversight. It is a Select Committee. Their general purpose is fact-finding in nature. They are not a new thing, they have been around since the very first Congress."
Do you know why legislation or oversight is required?
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF EVIDENCE THAT A COURT DOES.
What you saw was a Star Chamber.
But it's not a court of law. There is no trial and there is no sentence.
Show us in the Congressional rules where a committee MUST be either a legislative committee or an oversight committee.
"The scope of Congress’ powers of oversight extends to virtually all programs, activities, regulations, and polices implemented by the presidential cabinet departments, independent executive agencies, regulatory boards and commissions, and the president of the United States."
Note --- specific requirements due to their limited power under the "necessary and proper" clause of the Constitution.
They are investigating FAR beyond the executive. They are not proposing any legislation. I'd support a defendant who bitch slapped every one of them.
Congress has three major types of committees: standing committees, oversight committees, and select committees.
The standing committees are the ones that propose legislation.
The oversight committees are the ones that, as you state above, provide oversight of the executive branch.
The select committees are committees like this one, which are not legislative, which are not oversight, but instead are investigative fact-finding committees.
Now if you want to argue that select committees SHOULDN'T exist, then fine. But they DO.
"The select committees are committees like this one, which are not legislative, which are not oversight, but instead are investigative fact-finding committees."
*sigh*
Select committees cannot exist to investigate everything. They can investigate precisely what I listed.
If a prior one violated the law it does not justify later ones.
Again, do to the utter lack of rules on evidence, demanding information be provided is thoroughly incompatible with basic privacy protections.
Select committees cannot exist to investigate everything. They can investigate precisely what I listed.
No, they exist to investigate what they were specifically chartered to investigate, in this case, the Jan. 6 events. The precise scope is spelled out in the resolution that created the committee.
If a prior one violated the law it does not justify later ones.
What is the law that the creation of a select committee supposedly violated?
because the minority party didn't get the unrestricted authority to choose members for the committee
What the fuck. The majority should never be in charge of the minority party you leftist fuck.
The bottom line is, the Republicans never wanted this investigated in the first place.
The bottom line is in a time when so many Americans are suffering we have yet another complete waste of taxpayer dollars for performance partisan theatre. Is this really important right now, Jeff?
What purpose, for all of us, does it really serve?
What purpose, for all of us, does it really serve?
The investigation? I absolutely think Jan. 6 is worth investigating fully, so that we all can learn from it and prevent it from happening again.
Frankly, whenever any investigation comes up, the appeals to parsimony sound a lot like special pleading.
Here's Pelosi slamming the Benghazi committee as a waste of money:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Z1E36L7UI&ab_channel=CNN
Why are they not releasing all the videos jeff? If you are calling for a full accounting why not point out the selectiveness of this?
You dont give a fuck about the full truth. Just what helps your party.
I would hope that they would post all of the videos in due time.
They are not THEIR video. It is, ultimately, OURS.
Nope, the video belongs to the intellectual property holder, whomever that may be.
I would hope that we would see all of the video in any case, though.
"Nope, the video belongs to the intellectual property holder, whomever that may be."
WE PAID FOR IT.
ALL OF IT.
Any "IP" you develop while directly working for somebody --- in this case, the taxpayers footing the bill --- the IP is owned by the party that paid for it.
This is not even obscure IP information.
If the video was taken on government equipment by a government employee, then the government owns the IP rights.
The government is a distinct entity from "the people".
One way to prevent election integrity protests is to have free and fair elections, refraining from changing or waiving the rules right before the election.
Just like one way to prevent police brutality protests is for the police to be less brutal.
Here's Pelosi slamming the Benghazi committee as a waste of money:
Probably was a waste of money. She would no. A bit of a 'What about this thing' too.
My point is this 'investigation' doesn't serve the people because it is political theatre. We are not learning anything new and not changing how the event was perceived. It is obviously partisan and not open to all points of investigation. It is a conclusion presented with snippets of video to support it. How is that useful?
It is also very divisive. How does that help? It is a display of arrogant political nonsense, much like the impeachment trials. It costs money and wastes time and resources that could be better spent by not being spent at all. Fuck them!
"I pointed out that the language used to create the committee was very similar"
Only by virtue of the fact that English was used instead of Cantonese.
"this is apparently a reasonably long-standing precedent in the House."
Okay sealion. Now it's my turn to ask for a citation.
Well. If I provide a citation for you, what will you agree to do for me?
You don't seem to offer us return favors when you ignore links we provide.
What do you want mighty sealion? I've provided all sorts of links to you in the last week and you're still pulling the same shit.
So do you have a citation or not?
HERE are "impeccable sources" Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer style!
Hey Mammary-Fuhrer... Search through ALL of the non-text-searchable photos in the below link, and You will find written, "Many Conservaturds are Totally Idiotic, MOST certainly to include Mammary-Fuhrer." It is written!
To PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt, that You are lazy and not willing to put in the hard work... I am NOT telling you page number, approx. location in the doc, or photo description, or ANYTHING like that! Lazy scum!
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/sonograms/ Search HARD now!
This is same the kind of shit that Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer pulls!
Go troll back at Stormfront, ᛋᛋqrlsy.
Also sprach Mammary-Necrophilia-Fuhrer, the GREAT Christian Theologian, who says that the Holy Jesus tells Her to push other people towards suicide!
Do you have cites to prove your assertions? Also, can you prove through direct statements from Republican House leadership that they indeed did not want any investigation, as opposed to an alternate concern?
That is my conclusion after observing their behavior. I think I laid out my rationale for my conclusion above. What is your specific complaint with my argument?
That it’s projection from you, a known democrat shill. Which you have just confirmed. Otherwise based on nothing.
so you’re guilty of the same thing you constantly berate ML and Jesse about? Color me shocked.
The House select committee investigating January 6 put on a good show in its first public performance, teasing the major plot points
You're almost as much of an embarrassment as the J6 Committee.
Like swooning over chick lit.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1535228689046282242?t=pj5QQmx5nwcbqUY0meOctagon?
White nationalists and supremacists on social media platforms are using coded hashtags and innuendo to rile up thousands of followers on divisive issues that federal officials warn might drive some extremists to violently attack public places in the U.S.
[Link]
Beware of the dangerous hashtags and innuendo.
I don't know, "fire up the woodchippers" seems pretty straightforward to me.
"DOGWHISTLES!!!1!"
ANYTHING you say can and will be used against you. and we they say anything they mean it you said "hi" you racist pig off to jail for you
"Important 'first step': Oakland declares racism a public health crisis"
[...]
"The proposal was authored by city attorney Barbara Parker, City Administrator Ed Reiskin, and the Director of the Department of Race and Equity, Darlene Flynn, and co-signed by Council Members Sheng Thao, Loren Taylor and Treva Reid.
[...]
The ordinance sets aside $350,000 to create two new positions in the City of Oakland's Department of Race and Equity. The purpose of the jobs, a data analyst and consultant position, will be to help identify inequities in the city, and determine how to best address them. It's an effort to collect more city-wide data, which is "necessary to achieve more equitable outcomes for Oakland residents," the report stated...."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/important-first-step-oakland-declares-racism-a-public-health-crisis/ar-AAYgZCg?ocid=uxbndlbing
1) Brand new position to fill with your ne're-do-well nephew.
2) Betting masks will be involved in this new 'public health crisis'
3) San Fran! At least we're not Oakland!
identify inequities in the city, and determine how to best address them.
They had jolly well better be addressed using the inequities' preferred pronouns!
Can we declare the Biden Administration a public health crisis?
Because everything we need to live costs a lot more now.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/everything-weapon-us-government-waging-psychological-warfare-nation
The government is so confident in its Orwellian powers of manipulation that it’s taken to bragging about them. Just recently, for example, the U.S. Army’s 4th Psychological Operations Group, the branch of the military responsible for psychological warfare, released a recruiting video that touts its efforts to pull the strings, turn everything they touch into a weapon, be everywhere, deceive, persuade, change, influence, and inspire.
[Link]
Just wait for the Jan 6 hearings bonus reel.
You're supposed to think they're only using those capabilities on foreign enemies.
https://twitter.com/Neoavatara/status/1535264240650665989?t=6m_GBgUoPJPE4vf2t8Erew&s=19
He had one of the most detailed, planned out assassination attempts in recent history.
And liberal media outlets largely didn't care.
[Link]
To be fair, some of them did care, but they are too disappointed in his failure to write about it.
"House approves ‘red flag’ gun bill that’s unlikely to pass Senate"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-approves-red-flag-gun-bill-that-s-unlikely-to-pass-senate/ar-AAYhgBC?ocid=uxbndlbing
I hope 'signaling' rates a lower pay scale than actually doing a job.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1535238608201957376?t=zEzP45U8QU4fGQy7qhBJYg&s=19
JUST IN - US inflation jumps to 8.6% in May, the highest since 1981.
More dangerous censorship of free speech in social media.
https://twitter.com/TravisAllen02/status/1535076335579971584
That can’t be. TRUTH Social doesn’t ban or censor people!
It probably didn't. An account suspended screenshot doesn't tell us why or how.
Can he, uh, provide what he posted?
Nobody has ever opposed good faith moderation. Not even me.
Just a reminder: Immediately after Jan. 6, the Cabinet seriously discussed invoking the 25th Amendment against Trump. You know, the same Cabinet that Trump himself appointed.
Here is Betsy DeVos on the subject:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/betsy-devos-says-she-resigned-200504878.html
She resigned rather than stay and attempt to use the 25th Amendment, only because Pence said no he wouldn't do it.
I have to say, that I have more respect for Pence now. He didn't back down to Trump's demands to corrupt the electoral college certification process, and he didn't give in to a questionable 25th Amendment request either even though he would have been the one who would have most principally benefitted from such a move. He really was the one guy who prevented the entire Jan. 6 episode from devolving into something much, much worse.
I've said this before, and I'll doubtless say it again in the future: The worst fallout from January 6th is probably the fact that Pence will probably never be President. The guy's ethics make Washington look wishy washy.
In a more staid time, he'd actually make a pretty good President.
Because his personality is so reticent and square, in contrast to the general culture of hedonism and self-indulgence that prevails these days, I think a lot of people from both parties underestimate how intelligent he really is.
The guy obliterated two VP opponents in their debates and even ENB admitted that Pence was very effective and promoting Trumpist policy without resorting to emulating Trump's bombastic personality.
I know the left considers DeVos, but I always thought she was pretty good. This just confirms that she was one of the few people with good judgement and integrity in the Trump Administration.
It confirms that she wants another job in the beltway.
She boasts in Jeffy's link that it was all about appearance rather than election fraud for her.
"To me, there was a line in the sand. It wasn't about the election results. It was about the values and image of the United States."
No wonder White Mike got a hard-on.
This is what happens when people invest their emotional being and sense of purpose into conspiracy theories and bullshit. They think they only way to save themselves and their nation is to engage in criminal activities. You see it on a smaller scale, but rarely on this scale. But that's what it was. A group of people got it into their heads that the election was stolen, encouraged by Trump to believe it was stolen, and then so invested emotionally into the "cause" they stormed the capital.
And then afterwards, still emotionally invested in the lies, they started claiming there were FBI plants, or it was BLM or Black Flag, and that they had the legal right to storm the capital, or whatever. They are unable to admit that what htey did was wrong.
It was not just Trump. It was decades of Republican talking points after EVERY election that the election was fraudulent. There's always a few individual cases here, but the message is that it's all a huge scam. And this attitude builds up for decades. Until you finally get a candidate who not only refuses to concede, but spends months promulgated a conspiracy theory of stolen votes.
The average person knows better. They know if their candidate lost that their candidate lost. They may be deeply saddened by it, but they don't descend into conspiracy thinking.
But not the people at the heart of the insurrection. They truly believed the lies. That I feel sad for them for being such delusional fucks, they are still wrong and still committed violence.
Yes, most of you on the deranged commentariat will denounce me for not following your right wing groupthink. Fuck off. I've been here since the beginning, and my viewpoint has not changed. Liberty over party allegiance. Democrats are dead to me, Republicans are dead to me, even the LP is rapidly reaching that state. The only real party is to get out of Team Politics and be an individual.
To be fair both parties say that elections were fraudulent when they lose, and declare a mandate when they win.
True. It’s a matter of Trump and the MAGAs taking it to a greater degree, and crossing lines.
Trump and his cronies started spreading expectations of a stolen election among his MAGA base well before the election happened.
And then the January 6th rioters attempted to interfere with the acceptance of the Electoral College count.
Before the election, Democrats were talking up the possibility, too. They just memory holed that talk after Biden won.
TRUMP STOLE THE MAILBOXES SO BLACK PEOPLE COULDNT VOTE!!!!11!!11!1
I’m sure they were. It’s just a matter of degree. Trump and the MAGAs took it to a new level.
Yeah, it's almost as though they used the federal law enforcement apparatus to spy on the other side, manufacture a conspiracy of treason and foreign interference, peddle it to a friendly media in exchange for fawning coverage and lucrative jobs, then sell a known lie to the American public for three years.
Fucking MAGAs, amirite?
Using the system to destroy people is how the cultured elite do treason. Only simple-minded red necks try to do it themselves.
Explain to me again how the guy with a gold-plated toilet is not part of the elite.
You really are this dumb, aren’t you?
Level 13 dumb (or at least pretending to be).
"Explain to me again how the guy with a gold-plated toilet is not part of the elite."
Explain to me again how the guy with the gold chains and $500 sneakers selling dime bags in the park, isn't one of the elite.
"Hurrdurr, elite means rich"
Election fraud went to a new level. The reaction hasn’t even been up to proportional. Still, the democrats are desperate to crack down in any dissent. As their hold on power is tenuous.
A proportional response to the 2020 election would have been tearing democrats who participated in the fraud from their homes and summarily executing them. But that don’t happen.
If there is a repeat of 2020 it probably will.
Was it Donald Trump that had created "the biggest election fraud team in history"?
You've just betrayed a lack of seriousness on your part. That quote was obviously about creating a team to investigate election fraud, and your quoting it as if it meant something else is just plain bald-faced attempt to win debate with misrepresentation rather than superior argument.
He was quoting Joe Biden. Seems like your beef is with Joe.
So, where was this election fraud team during the controversial election of 2020? Were they not available to investigate since the Big Guy was the victor in the cleanest election ever? Or were those fraud-stoppers ahead of the curve, making sure we were in that cleanest election ever?
If they were put together to investigate one would assume they were bipartisan and focused on the Election.
I don't know. As far as I can tell, it is just some b.s. Joe Biden made up. But don't lie about what he meant.
Can you prove what he meant? He is senile. So things tend to slip out when he’s bloviating. Why do you think his staff is constantly walking back his statements?
He said it. We didn't. It may be BS or he may have said the quiet part out loud.
Similar to Obama's comment: The Election wasn't close, and Joe Biden is President.
Open to interpretation.
No, he didn’t say the quiet part out loud. He clearly did not mean that the Democrats had assembled a team to perpetrate fraud.
How do you know that? And given the behaviour following the election, why would you not see how saying something that stupid would make people question the election.
How do I know that?
Because the other interpretation makes no sense. You do realize it’s just supposed to be a joke among right-wingers to interpret it the way you do, don’t you?
I know what it was about.
Why would Joe Biden put that team together unless he was expecting lots of election fraud? Why would he announce it, if not to undermine a possible upcoming loss?
"Trump and his cronies started spreading expectations of a stolen election among his MAGA base well before the election happened."
This is exactly what Joe Biden was doing.
Perhaps that is why he said it. Don’t disagree with you.
Meaning he was trying to indicate their would be Republican fraud.
""It’s a matter of Trump and the MAGAs taking it to a greater degree, and crossing lines.""
It's as if you don't remember 2016 - 2020. I have never seen any group of people shit the bed like liberals when Trump was elected. They screamed, they cried, they declared he must be removed by any means. And they fell 100% for the Russian collusion conspiracy that was promoted with in the FBI.
It was decades of Republican talking points after EVERY election that the election was fraudulent.
To be fair, claiming that the "election was rigged" is a bipartisan affair.
On 1/6/05...Bennie Thompson tried to stop the counting of electoral votes.
Just sayin'.
Why does that matter?
Is it some sort of precedent?
Well, they are holding this over the horror of 1/6 and wish to disqualify Republicans over it.
In 2000, the Dems said the Florida results were fraudulent. In 2004, Ohio. In 2016, somehow a few hundred thousands of dollars from Russia illegitimately upended Hillary Clinton's billion dollar campaign. Where do you get the idea tgat it is only Republicans tgat have been conspiratorially questioning election results?
He gets it from his consistent left-leaning but totally libertarian bias.
Baloney. Brandybuck has never shown one bit of “left leaning”.
Thanks for taking your partisan stupid all the way to 11.
Alright, time to mute you. You've joined the league of right-wing trolls here who end up with nothing but empty personal attacks when presented with debate.
How many people has Dee had to mute to not have her narratives disrupted?
Sorry Mike, but people here get sick of your shit. Maybe try being honest.
Hahahahahahahaha
Elections are only legitimate when Democrats win.
Not equivalent. In both 2000 and 2016 the Democrat conceded. In both 2000 and 2016 a Democratic VP counted the votes and named the Republican candidate the winner. No false electors, no asking people to find votes, no attempting to coerce the VP to reject votes. People can complain about losing, that is 1A. Taking action to hold power after losing an election is insurrection.
There are people who will still say Bush used SCOTUS to steal the election.
In 2020, a Republican VP did the same. And Hillary continued saying the election was stolen long after her "conceding"
You are full of shit. These cases are still brought up, not by right-leaning folks, but by resentful left-leaning schmucks like you. Add the fat dipshit abrams from Georgia, who folks still say had the election stolen from her. So, take your 'not equivalent' lie, and find some sand to pound, lackwit.
Brandyshit is what happens when you find TDS-addled shit-piles.
USA Today is getting rid of its editorial section.
https://www.mediaite.com/news/usa-todays-owner-talks-scaling-back-opinion-pieces-readers-perceive-us-as-having-a-biased-agenda/
That's probably for the best. They should focus on their core strengths, delivering the news, instead of futzing about with editorials and opinions.
They're getting rid of it as redundant, since the whole rag is nothing but an editorial section pretending to be news reports.
That is way too much credit to USA Today, whose general editorial stance is “be as blandly up in-opinionated as possible”.
Yeah, USA Today is the very definition of "appeal to the lowest common denominator".
Leftists are, by default, the lowest common denominator but let's be real.
If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be leftists.
And leave the political spin to Congress and their new TV show.
Hey, want some Republican electoral success against the Democrats, maybe eschew the grandstanders, buffoons, and grifters, and welcome sobriety, articulate argument, rational policy proposals, and general acting like the party of adults in the room.
We will be seeing some in November. We will reconsider you then.
Now you are approaching 12 on the stupometer. Eschew grandstanders, buffoons, and grifters? Like in the TV docudrama last night?
Mike, you might as well admit that you suck left wing dick.
Oh, c'mon, you know 'mike' is the roast at the spitroast.
For America’s most generic newspaper, that kind of makes sense.
So now they can have the same agenda, but not reveal it so openly.
What a horrible last couple of days it has been for the fugazi libertarians of Reason, huh? First a fellow leftie whack job tries to assassinate their most hated Supreme Court justice and fails, now inflation just skyrocketing back up again in May when they deluded themselves into believing that we had already "peaked", and as if all that isn't bad enough, Sleepy Joe Biden now has both his worst individual poll result yet and his worst Real Clear Politics polling average spread at -15.3%:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
It's only going to get worse you fugazis, we're only five months away from the massive repudiating at the ballot box you have coming your way!!
https://twitter.com/Bree1914/status/1535266761112793089?t=g7boyR_AxBfBjjYochuzDg&s=19
[Meme]
“ BREAKING: Trump’s Shocking Comments That Pence ‘Deserves’ to Be Hanged on Jan. 6 Revealed at Hearing”
See? Yet another reason I’m GOP proud. Dear Leader wants to see Mike Pence hanged. This gay and Black man wants to see Mike Pence hanged. That’s the thing about today’s GOP. First, it has a gay AF convention and next it’s the most transgressive (pardon the term) political party in human history. Even Democrats can’t deny there’s a certain appeal when the leading Presidential candidate wants to see his Vice President’s neck stretched.
BTW, can I ask an unrelated question? What has happened to the italics function here on the comment board? Was it too consumed by the liberal media led by fascist-in-chief, CNN’s Don Lemon?
Dear Leader wants to see Mike Pence hanged.
If that were true, it would be a point of agreement with the democrats. I remember all kinds of lurid violent anti-Pence fantasies coming from the lefturd camp as soon as he was picked as Trump's running mate.
-jcr
"Dear Leader..."
I'm sure this is considered clever repartee' among 5-year-olds and lefty shits.
Kudos to you for seeing beyond the “mean tweets”! It’s ridiculous how people attach importance to the utterances that come out of a President’s mouth, like his thoughts matter.
Kudos to you for seeing beyond this shit parody account. haha
You’re saying Ali is a parody?! No way!!!
Almost as much of a parody as the J6 extravaganza!
I invoke Poe's law.
Like Biden saying we should arrest Republicans on Kimmel?
Oh, that's different, right?
Try harder, Shrike.
Oh, and does your parole officer know that you're using his phone?
“As someone who was skeptical going in that this hearing had any value, I've changed my mind about that.”
Whatever “value” you imagine, was the scripted work and spin of ultra-partisan zealots. If that’s how you derive value from civic affairs, you’re a serious loser.
"The House select committee investigating January 6 put on a good show in its first public performance, teasing the major plot points,"
So ENB is fully supportive of the government conducting a "show," financed at taxpayers' expense, that will produce nothing of substance for the country and does nothing to solve the very real and significant problems that are currently crushing the middle class? She supports the committee spending my money on a tv producer to conduct political theater, while the administration's policies are sucking money directly out of my bank account at an ever increasing rate every month?
Fuck off, ENB. You're a piece of shit. I'm glad my tax dollars are being wasted to entertain you.
Prove nothing of substance for the country? Maybe it will so damage Trump's reputation among swing independents that he won't be the GOP nominee in 2024, and that will prove troublesome for the Dems whose only hope - at this early date - is to run against Trump.
The dems will run against Trump anyway, no matter who is the nominee. It's all they have.
True. Whoever runs the Dems will align the candidates policy with Trump and yell Trumpy Trump Trumpness for six months while they 'fortify' the process in the states that matter again.
This is why GOP voters should ignore the 'divisiveness' of Trump: whoever wins will be the new Trump.
'Member in 2012 when Romney was the "Trump" of that election cycle? Now he's their darling.
Case in point. DeSantis will surely be the next Trump/Hitler if he wins.
The real question will be will they call him DeSatan or DeathSantis?
Why can't we have both (meme)
Found the Jeb! fan
Poor Jeb! He'd promised Hillary and then it was supposed to be his turn.
It will however, drive up partisan outrage and differences. If there was 1 'good kid' showing up at a scotus justice's home because he was angry, that number will increase, thanks to this show trial. Democracy is the victim, the rino's and dnc have darvo'd their way into the limelight again.
Frau Elisabeth N. Braun endorses Reichstag Fire committee propaganda claiming Martinus van der Lubbe was part of a coordinated Communist insurrection.
Ah, are we going for explaining January 6th away with a Reichstag Fire conspiracy theory?
It undoubtedly fits the comparison nicely. The Biden purge of the military and government of "Wrongthink" immediately upon taking office and all.
That's pretty much what it was.
“good show in its first public performance, teasing the major plot points…Cheney displayed a TV prosecutor's command of narrative, weaving together video footage and commentary from January 6…Cheney's presentation "is specific and uses snippets of evidence very effectively to make the case,"…vividly presented the day's much more sinister side… vividly engaging in what appeared to be knowing, furious, and violent actions…Capitol Police talked in terrified voices…riling up the pre-riot crowd with election fraud lies…Details like these breathed life into the narrative that we all know well by now… But it did crystalize the case that Trump was "not just a rogue president but a would-be autocrat willing to shred the Constitution to hang onto power at all costs,"… She described the scene as "an absolute war zone."…"I saw friends with blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people's blood."… and many of those involved in spreading the lies that led to the riot and to whitewashing it afterward”… And in conclusion: “In all the hoopla, hackery, hot takes, and hyperbole that surrounded the Capitol riot (and the Trump era generally), all the Justice Department overreach against people who merely trespassed, all the discourse, it's been easy to look at January 6 through slightly rose-colored glasses to dismiss grave pronunciations as just so much melodrama. Last night's hearing—and hopefully those to come—serves as a powerful antidote to this.”
Now THAT’S how you propaganda. Well done Liz.
And just never-mind who those massive anonymous mail-in votes are that flipped the in-person (actual) vote....
The important part to remember is whatever skepticism/evidence there is that actual election fraud did take place - I label it all a lie.
And *all* must trust that there was a 'war' down there with blood puddles everywhere that officers were slipping on and knocking themselves out with...
Ya; There psycho description of the current evidence is about as insane as they psycho evidence to counter election fraud (i.e. Just take our word for it!)
Cheney should keep in mind that the Democrats totally reneged on their promises to Arlen Specter when he turned his coat. I doubt she'll even get a university to pretend she's running.
-jcr
Promises from democrats have a pretty short shelf life.
I agree that the hearings were well done last night. Very disciplined. I dip in and out. I did not need to see the violence. What I did take away is this;
President Trump knew the election results were valid. His campaign data analyst knew he had lost and told him this. People including the AG reported no significant fraud. The election fraud strategy was a sales pitch just like Trump steaks, Trump University and Trump casinos.
There was a plan to attack the Capital that day it was not spontaneous. Groups skipped the Mall speeches to start the attack and then lured the Mall attendees into the fight.
Mike Pence ordered actions to regain control of the Capital Building. Our Constitution provides several mechanisms to replace the President. VP Pence used none of these and just stepped in when needed. He probably broke the law but that was what was needed at the time.
One thing not at the hearing that came out very recently is Secretary Besty DeVos's interview where she stated that she resigned when VP Pence chose not to invoke the 25th amendment. Indicating a number of Republicans no longer saw the Trump as the legitimate leader.
You and ENB paraphrased, "I did not need to see the evidence" - my almighty wildly bias imagination showed me absolute 'truth'.....
Do you people not realize how insane you've become.
I have seen plenty of the violence and did not need to see more. I did see evidence, that Trump knew he had lost, that groups planned the attack, and that VP Pence stepped in to stop the violence.
1) Trump did not believe he lost
2) Groups doing things are hardly his fault.
3) Not terribly relevant.
If Trump really did not believe he lost then he is delusional. What more did he need to accept the facts.
I have not suggested that Trump had anything to do with the groups attacking the Capital just that evidence was presented suggesting there was a plan to attack.
It is relevant that so many people including the VP had to assume responsibility of the President. The President is elected to do a job if they cannot do the required work they should resign.
1) Perhaps so. But that election was dirty. Period.
2) The entire reason for the 1/6 Committee was to show how Trump CAUSED it. That was their ENTIRE reason to exist.
3) The "violence" was a nothingburger. A peaceful day when antifa is pissy about something.
You do know Pelosi repeatedly turned down additional security offers by Trump, right? And not coincidentally there is video of cops letting the so-called insurrectionists into the Capitol. Which is on video. None of this is in dispute.
The only rational conclusion is that Pelosi, in conjunction with other democrats, orchestrated the events in the Capitol, knowing that it could be wielded as a political weapon. Well aware that democrat drones will believe whatever she orders them to.
You do know Pelosi repeatedly turned down additional security offers by Trump, right?
No she didn't.
Yes she did Jeffy. It’s a well known fact.
"There was a plan to attack the Capital that day it was not spontaneous. Groups skipped the Mall speeches to start the attack and then lured the Mall attendees into the fight."
Trump's fault...how?
Everybody in the country knew that there was going to be a giant rally in DC except the FBI. Yeah right.
Especially since they marched right by the FBI HQ.
They must have all been doing their Sgt. Schultz impression that day.
Upcoming Agenda has been leaked
Upcoming Agenda has been leaked:
Monday - how January 6th proves every white person is a white supremacist.
Tuesday - how January 6th proves every white person is a racist
Wednesday - how January 6th proves every white person is homophobic.
Reason will no doubt continue to scrape the bottom of the barrel and find someone to report they were all '...surprisingly worthwhile..'
Can you give a quote from yesterday’s hearing that mentioned anyone’s white-ness?
Well, Bennie did compare the 1/6 protesters to Klansmen and slave holders. That was in the opening minute or so.
So, do you equate Klansmen and slave holders with white? I don't.
Anti-racism training does.
Your allies certainly do.
Not many black Klansmen. And while there a few black slave holders, they were very much not the norm.
Cannot imagine why anybody would think he was referring to white folks....
Fake news! Only mean old, white men owned slaves (after inventing slavery at the Constitutional Convention). Any suggestion that far more slaves were held for much longer by Africans, Arabs, Native Americans, Asians, or Pacific Islanders is blasphemy, and will not be tolerated.
So the "revelations" were a rehash of all the claims made so far, but with cherry-picked data to support them.
Hope the advertisers got the eyes they paid for.
In the states, the governor calls out the National Guard. In the District of Columbia, who is responsible for calling out the National Guard?
POTUS is commander-in-chief of the D.C. National Guard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_National_Guard
One sided political dramatizations targeting party opponents are called “propaganda.”
Exactly.
We have so many more important issues to address that it is sign of mental illness to fixate on Jan 6th.
If the focus is not managed, people might start noticing that droolin' Joe has fucked up everything he's touched since the inauguration.
And broadcasting evidence from upcoming trials is called "jury tampering."
I suppose TDS sufferers orgasmed 10 minutes into the show. But normal people were watching something else (anything else).
Unless you're a brain dead liberal idiot (aka libtard) who never watched Trump's speech and got your viewpoint from Colbert, you'd never waste a portion of your life watching other libtards try to make "something out of nothing".
Meanwhile, real people are suffering from the Biden shlt show.
Sad.
Well, that wasn’t partisan at all.
Is that now allowed here all the sudden?
Why do you continue to support Biden’s war on the American people?
Trump was rushed into a bunker by the Secret Service.
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1479245177248174081
Flashback: In May 2020, mobs of fat-left rioters tried to storm the White House. They were repelled by police, who were assaulted and hit with projectiles. Democrats and leftists condemned law enforcement at the time for stopping the rioters.
Flashback May 2020: At night, the far-left rioters surrounded the White House and tried tearing apart the protective barrier so they could storm the building. Secret Service and law enforcement were injured by the violent extremists.
Flashback May 2020: The far-left rioters tore apart the barrier outside the White House piece by piece in an attempt to storm the building and burn it down. Many in the mob called for the president to be lynched.
Flashback May 2020: A secret service officer suffered a head injury after being assaulted by BLM & far-left rioters trying to storm the White House. Dozens of other Secret Service agents were injured as well. #CapitolRiot
Flashback May 2020: In addition to tearing apart the barriers outside the White House & assaulting Secret Service & law enforcement, the far-left rioters carried out an arson attack. They wanted to storm the building in an uprising against the President.
Capitol police open doors for the protestors. They stand aside and invite them inside.
https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1347596278583197698
https://pjmedia.com/columns/davidhasanyi/2022/06/10/democrats-wanted-to-intimidate-justices-now-its-getting-dangerous-n1604570
“I want to tell you, Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”
Those were the words of the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, one of the most powerful elected officials in the nation, in March 2020. After spending years cynically delegitimizing the high court, Schumer had moved to openly threatening lifetime-appointed judges, by name, because he feared they would knock down the concocted constitutional right to an abortion.
The 9 Minutes That Almost Changed America
You don't know the whole story of how close we came to one of the deadliest political shootings in US history last year.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katenocera/baseball-shooting
But Hodgkinson carried a list of names of lawmakers in his pocket: Mo Brooks, Jim Jordan, Trent Franks, Scott DesJarlais, Jeff Duncan, and Morgan Griffith. The list included their office numbers and short physical descriptions. He’d recorded video of the field in April of that year — a sign, the prosecutor wrote in his official report, that Hodgkinson “had already selected Simpson field as a potential target as early as April 2017.” Rep. Gary Palmer says he had noticed Hodgkinson on the bleachers the day before the shooting; he’d even thought about walking over to him because he looked like he was having “a hard time.”
So, basically, this is a roadmap for attacking ACB and her children...?
https://twitter.com/emzanotti/status/1535252108575916035
Remember how Trump was a "pussy" for going to the bunker?
Who would have objected if Lafayette park was cleared with .50 caliber machine guns?
The groundskeeping staff?
Reason, for starters. They bitched that "peaceful demonstrations" like that were broken up.
>>teasing the major plot points Americans can expect to hear over the coming weeks
the Ruling Class turns the War Machine on the People and you think it's Falcon Crest ... fucking love it.
Are any of the people claiming "insurrection" (including the author) willing to stipulate that, going forward, anyone casting doubt on the results of a U.S. election is guilty of suborning insurrection? If not, then their claims of insurrection should be taken as nothing more than mendacious BS proffered by political hacks to be applied as a one-off as a ploy to attack a guy they disagree with. Sadly, some people consider that "libertarian".
No see that is "resist" and we wear pink hats and that kind of protest is good and is the foundation of Democracy. Just like this show trial. All good , don't you see?
My monkey tribe right! Your monkey tribe wrong!
The way it has always been. (We just use language now to fabricate reasons.)
May 31, 2022
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1531812848925560835
The top cybersecurity agency in the U.S. says electronic voting machines used in at least 16 states have software vulnerabilities that could leave them susceptible to hackers. Dominion Voting Systems defends its machines as “accurate and secure.”
Complaining about a loss is 1A. It is not always attractive but people do it. Taking action is an insurrection and that is what happened in 2020 and 2021.
Some in the FBI said they had "insurance" if Trump was elected. Wouldn't that insurance be insurrection or at least conspiracy thereof?
Can you cite this?
Strzok's texts about having insurance in case Trump wins?
This is not rare or even remotely-hard-to-find info.
Except this doesn't fit the bill. This was before well before the election and well after the start of the Russia investigation. It is an opinion, and incorrect one, that the American people would not vote for Trump knowing his campaign's connections to Russia.
""would not vote for Trump knowing his campaign's connections to Russia.""
Some in the FBI created false data to connect him to Russia. No one has denied that.
IIRMC the agents in question were concerned they were going to get thrown on the sword for the false dossier and the insurance was some way to protect them if they lost their jobs.
Timeline is correct. Leading up to the Election when the fraud was coming out and then buried. The agents felt if Trump was elected they would be sacrificed.
Here is some more information on the Strzok "insurance policy" text message.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/14/what-strzok-page-insurance-policy-text-was-actually-about/
""Now, however, another message has surfaced that seems to indicate something far more sinister – FBI officials discussing an “insurance policy” to eliminate Trump from the presidency should he go on to win.
“We can’t take that risk,” Strzok says of the thought that Trump would likely lose the election. “It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”""
""https://thepoliticalinsider.com/fbi-texts-trump/""
anyone casting doubt on the results of a U.S. election is guilty of suborning insurrection?
If one were to claim that merely questioning the results of an election was "suborning insurrection" then that person would be wrong in my view.
...except that is precisely what the 1/6 clowns are doing.
Except, as damikesc beat me to the punch on, when all the rhetoric and obfuscation is swept aside, that's all even this article, let alone the rest of the clowns claiming "insurrection", are claiming Donald Trump did to encourage an insurrection. Now, me? I think the whole matter is absurd and an insult to my intelligence. I think questioning an election and seeking remedy if you thought it was fixed falls well within the context of what is wholly appropriate in a free society. But, then I happen to attach a great deal of value to a free society. I think Stacy Abrams is an idiot making utterly absurd claims about having been cheated from the GA Governorship. But, I think only a thug and a tyrant would argue she was guilty of some crime for doing so. But, when the subject is Donald Trump, all of a sudden a lot of "libertarians" seem to want to sing a different tune and treat questioning an election and seeking redress of grievances as insurrection. And I'm asking, is that the new standard? Or do libertarian principles only count when they're convenient for progressives?
I would say that Trump did more than question the results. He actively attempted to change the results. That is the difference between complaining and insurrection.
What action did he take? Complaining?
He tried to have state officials find extra votes and he tried to pressure VP Pence to not accept votes. Both are actions and more than complaining.
So, he reported what he believed to be wrongs against him to the appropriate authorities. If a guy reports what he considers irregularities on the part of his opponent to the Board of Elections, that's not "insurrection"?
Don't bother answering. We already know what it will be - "But that's DIIIIIIFFFFERRRRENNNNNT!!!" Because reasons. We already know your stance here is all about principals. Your hate Donald Trump and you're happy to accuse him of insurrection for things you wouldn't even consider worthy of note from a politician you approve of.
So, he reported what he believed to be wrongs against him to the appropriate authorities
Oh that's too funny.
Why are you giving the most charitable interpretation possible to what Trump did?
Because it’s the accurate one. That you hate Trump and carry water for democrats and their agenda does not change that.
Yeah, the find the votes story never tells the whole story. Trump asked Raffensburger to find him 11,000 more votes following the recount that had 'found' at least 6.000 votes previously.
He was essentially saying - Hey, check again
Not quite, but he can spin that story to a jury if he is indebted in Georgia.
Quite. And the only one indebted to Georgia is the Big Guy
Putin thinks his kangaroo show trials are also worthwhile. That is worthwhile in punishing your political opponents.
Dems have thsi in common with Vlad.
Well, when if it goes south they can always scream.
Putin did this!!
Democrats colluded with the Clinton campaign, the FBI, and corporate media to remove a sitting president from power. They abused the impeachment process twice and persecuted, threatened violence against members of the Trump administration, and have been busy destroying their lives and careers. Democratic operatives, judges, and bureaucrats violated election law to put an accused rapist, serial liar and plagiarizer, and incompetent senile idiot into power, who has proceeded to ignore the Constitution and failed to enforce federal laws, resulting in a meltdown of stock markets and the economy.
Trump didn't handle January 6 very well. But the idea that he was a "would-be autocrat willing to shred the Constitution to hang onto power at all costs" is ridiculous. Trump believed that in a free and fair election, he would have beaten the senile, incompetent basement dweller and Trump also believed that Biden would be a disaster for America, and on both counts, Trump was right. Trump wasn't motivated by autocratic tendencies; Trump didn't call for anybody to storm the capitol, he called for peaceful protests. And throughout his administration, he may have said outrageous things and grumbled a lot, but when advisors told him that something was outside his powers, he stopped. That's unlike his predecessor and successor, both of whom have been thumbing their noses at the Constitution.
ENB, your narrative and your beliefs can only be described as out of touch with reality, and utterly vile.
Exactly.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/everything-is-an-attack-on-democracy
It’s sort of a sick irony that the very people who call everything a ‘threat to democracy’ are the people who most ignore the rules of our Republic. As I previously discussed, the new idea of America was that nobody was above the law, and that government officials who passed laws were held to account by voters. Over and over during his short administration, Joe Biden has ignored the proper rule-making process of our Republic while proclaiming to be saving it.
With executive orders, he shut down the Keystone pipeline and suspended other energy projects. He sanctioned Russia (long before the war) and shut down travel that Trump had opened. Vaccine mandates were executive orders. Now, certainly Biden isn’t the first president to use the executive order, but he may be the most hypocritical by sidestepping the proper lawmaking procedures of the country for the biggest issues of the day.
You have to remember that when leftists say "democracy" they mean specific factions holding power, specific outcomes from voting and other political processes, and slanted, partisan messaging from media and other sources.
So yes, there exists much in the world that threatens their "democracy".
Ahaaaa. Yes as I read in Democracy Now after the leftist recall, it’s now “Billionaire Democracy”. They’re obsessed with Billionaires ( after Bernie and Liz, Omar etc became multi millionaires). Wealth is just numbers on a computer screen that go up and down every nanosecond, it’s completely irrational to be obsessed with that.
Specifically, they mean dictatorship of the proletariat, the way Marx predicted it.
As long as the dictators have been approved by the elite.
Trump wasn't motivated by autocratic tendencies
That is how most autocrats rationalize their actions. "I had no choice but to seize power, I love the country too much to let the other guy have power!"
Biden has had few qualms issuing orders he knew were not Constitutional.
Huh. You're right. So both sides really are bad, then, aren't they?
Trump's constitutional misdeeds are minor and typical of expanded presidential powers. Biden's and Obama's have been corrosive and destructive.
So, no, they are not both "really bad". One is just typical post-WWII use of executive power, the other is a massive, deliberate, and destructive abuse of presidential powers.
Right, I get it. Both sides are full of shit, but you are determined to sniff each pile anyway and determine which one smells less awful.
Oh you better believe it. The totalitarian and fascist pile of shit represented by the Democrats is thoroughly destructive and evil. The run of the mill corruption and incompetence of Trump and the Republicans is something I can live with.
You don't have to tolerate either pile of shit, you know.
Really? What do you suggest? Throw temper tantrums like you do? Be a useful idiot for people wanting to destroy this country, like you are?
I suggest voting for someone who represents what you affirmatively want, rather than voting for someone who merely represents opposing what you hate.
I'm sorry you don't understand how winner take all, two party systems work. In our system, you end up with two parties that most people find equally awful. That's by design. It's a good system.
The system you want, where you "vote for someone who represents what you affirmatively want" exists in Europe and results in frequent takeovers by radicals, extremists, and nutcases.
So, if you vote in the US, you look at the two major parties and pick the one that is less awful to you. That's the way the system is designed and that's the way it is meant to work. I
If you want more influence than that, you need to get active in the primaries and the parties themselves.
Yet somehow you’re always shilling for the democrats. Either carrying their water, giving them cover, or attacking anything the republicans try to do.
You’re not a registered democrat in the same sense that Bernie Sanders is not a registered democrat. You’re about as neutral and even handed as he is.
Biden ordered an eviction moratorium AFTER SCOTUS ruled it was unconstitutional. He was going to take property with no reimbursement when he KNEW it was illegal. He admitted it was not legal.
He should be impeached over that action.
As I said, they're both piles of shit.
Yet you explicitly defend one and attack the other.
No, that's not how "most autocrats rationalize their actions". Most autocrats rationalize their actions by demonizing their opponents as being enemies of the people and by postulating that there are existential threats (economic, environment, population pressure) that require the right people to seize power. That's the way Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Castro seized power. And that is exactly the playbook that Democrats are following.
In fact, Democrats are following the playbook of the Nazi regime almost step by step: accusing their opponents of "the Big Lie", segregating people by race, accusing their opponents of vast conspiracies to take over the country, and accusing their opponents of taking over the Capitol.
The one thing that's different is that, unlike Hitler, Biden is a senile imbecile. The fascist organization behind Biden just doesn't have any kind of charismatic fascist leader right now.
Most autocrats rationalize their actions by demonizing their opponents as being enemies of the people and by postulating that there are existential threats (economic, environment, population pressure) that require the right people to seize power.
You're describing the Team Red playbook.
Hmm, I think I recall Trump using the exact phrase "enemies of the people". Who was he referring to again?
And remember "Flight 93 election"? If Hillary won in 2016, the ship of state would head straight for disaster, right?
Here's a Trump 2020 campaign ad. "You won't be safe in Biden's America." Who is the purported "existential threat" here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moZOrq0qL3Q
What are you doing RIGHT NOW, comparing Democrats to Stalin and Mao and Nazis? Hmm?
No, Chemjeff, I am describing the Team Blue playbook.
None of those are claims of existential threats, just claims of bad government: high crime, economic recession, curtailing of civil liberties And those claims of bad government have come true: we have high crime, economic recession, and politically motivated curtailing of civil liberties.
Democrats claim that humanity will cease to exist unless they are elected, that Republicans are white supremacists intent on turning the US into a Handmaid's Tale, etc.
First, I'm not a Republican or a politician and I don't even vote. Second, I'm not claiming that Democrats are an existential threat to humanity. Humanity will go on just fine with Democrats in power. Even Americans will by and large survive with Democrats in power, the same way that people behind the Iron Curtain got by and largely survived with communists in power.
But Democrats are a threat to the kind of government that the US used to enjoy. This isn't my oddball belief, Democrats themselves are saying that: they want to "radically and fundamental transform America" and they want to dismantle what they call "the system of white supremacy that the US is founded on". As part of this, they are attacking long time institutions like the Supreme Court, the Electoral College, and the filibuster.
Aha, you are slyly shifting the goalposts. Originally you claimed that the "enemies" of the dictator had to be "existential threats". Now, you claim that they only have to be "existential threats" to humanity. Nope, sorry.
The way Team Red portrays Team Blue, it is very typically as Team Blue is an existential threat to the American way of life. That America will cease to be America if Democrats are in charge. That was the point of the Trump campaign ad that I posted: if Biden is elected, you will no longer be safe in your own home! Your entire way of life will be completely upended!
Even now you claim that if Democrats are elected, it will be as if Soviet communism will have descended upon America.
You yourself are providing the ammunition for the rationalization of a right-wing dictator seizing power to "stop the Left". Because you are catastrophizing them so badly and so dishonestly that you make it seem like a coup to overthrow Team Blue would be a sensible idea. If Team Blue = Soviet Communism, after all, why wouldn't you support any means necessary to avert that disaster? Hmm?
You can't have it both ways - claim that the other side is so awful that they are caricatures of cartoon villains, intent on imposing their villainy on everyone, and yet also try to claim that if they happen to win an election, it's not so bad and not worth stopping them by any means necessary even if it means dictators seizing power.
Aha, you are slyly shifting the goalposts.
You'd think with how often you indulge in such practices, you wouldn't be such a fatass.
Democrats in recent years have become self-proclaimed socialists and progressives bent on destroying the traditional system of government we have; they have said so.
Democrats aren't cartoon villains, they are very real villains, from the same mold as every progressive and socialist in history.
It's not so bad if they win elections because the US Constitution, US institutions, and the US population still keeps them from achieving their goals.
Dictators, fascists, communists, and socialists rarely "seize power", they are given power by the majority of the population. But if the majority of the population believes in fascism/socialism, there are no means of stopping the fascists/socialists.
The US will stand and fall in a battle of public relations over whether the fascism/socialism advocated by Democrats will be considered desirable by the majority of Americans or not. The country will be won or lost based on ideas and popular opinion, not elections and power struggles.
Funny how you didn't respond to the rest of my comment:
You yourself are providing the ammunition for the rationalization of a right-wing dictator seizing power to "stop the Left". Because you are catastrophizing them so badly and so dishonestly that you make it seem like a coup to overthrow Team Blue would be a sensible idea. If Team Blue = Soviet Communism, after all, why wouldn't you support any means necessary to avert that disaster? Hmm?
This is why you, and the rest of Team Red, need to knock it off with the "They are eeeeeeeeevil" rhetoric. And YES, it is the same with Team Blue and their whole "They are NAZZZZIIISSSSS" rhetoric. The only thing this rhetoric does, is to inspire the next presidential assassin, to inspire the next demagogic would-be dictator, to ACT upon those ideas that are placed into the public discourse.
Democrats in recent years have become self-proclaimed socialists and progressives bent on destroying the traditional system of government we have; they have said so.
This is a WILD exaggeration about what Team Blue actually believes. Just like not every Republican is a Trump-worshipping cultist, not every Democrat is an AOC-worshipping communist. "They" are not socialists. "They" are not "bent on destroying the traditional system of government we have". Some of them have some very radical ideas, it is true. But that has ALWAYS been the case. Some Republicans have some very radical ideas as well, concerning how to treat illegal immigrants or transgendered individuals. (Two days ago, a conservative individual here suggested that transgendered people should be locked up in prison "for their own good". Do you think he speaks for all Republicans? Hmm? Or maybe he should be treated as just one person with a repellent viewpoint that does not represent every Republican everywhere? Hmm?)
Democrats aren't cartoon villains, they are very real villains, from the same mold as every progressive and socialist in history.
Many Democrats would claim that Republicans are the villains. Are they wrong? Why are they wrong? From THEIR point of view, every Republican is no different than the biggest racist hillbilly Trump voter living in Alabama. Just like from YOUR point of view, every Democrat is no different than the biggest Marxist socialist living in Greenwich Village in New York City.
What is so terrible in treating people as individuals? Hmm?
This isn't about who is or isn't a "villain". This is about whether we live by traditional American legal, political, and social traditions: subsidiarity, states rights, free markets, private property, small government, low taxes, equality under the law. Republicans and Republican voters expressly support these ideas, Democrats and Democrat voters expressly oppose these ideas.
Are you illiterate? I just pointed out that overthrowing anybody is pointless. America will turn into something like Venezuela or Nazi Germany if and only if the majority of Americans make the same mistake as Venezuelan voters or the voters in the Weimar Republic.
And there is nothing "dishonest" about what I'm saying. My parents experienced Nazi Germany, and I experienced socialism first hand. I am telling you: the Democrats are selling exactly the same political, racial, and economic bullshit as the Nazis and the socialists. That's just a fact. People then didn't think that the Nazis or socialists were evil either; in fact, lots and lots of American Democrats and progressives sympathized with European fascists because, then as now, their ideas are similar.
This is about whether we live by traditional American legal, political, and social traditions: subsidiarity, states rights, free markets, private property, small government, low taxes, equality under the law. Republicans and Republican voters expressly support these ideas, Democrats and Democrat voters expressly oppose these ideas.
Now hold on here, you've stolen a base.
Concepts like "subsidiarity, states rights, free markets, private property, small government, low taxes, equality under the law" have ALWAYS been contentious in American history. At one point, the marginal income tax rate was 90%. At one point, there was a great deal of inequality under the law between different races. These are all truths about America whether we like to admit it or not.
The point is there is not one single definition of what it means to be an American. You might claim that a "real American" is someone who believes in low taxes. But a citizen in New York might claim that a "real American" is someone who believes in high taxes, because only then can the government take care of the suffering of other Americans who are hurting.
I disagree with his reasoning, I disagree with his policy choices, but I don't disagree with his motivation to want to help people. I am simply allergic to trying to weaponize patriotism as referring to a specific set of ideological beliefs. It does not. It refers more generally to a love of country. And there are many ways to love one's country. I disagree with many of them but I am not willing to say that those who don't agree are not "real Americans".
They have been. They were also the law of the land until the 1930's.
Yes: in the early 20th century, the US government was taken over by Mussolini-loving progressives, and they implemented their proto fascist, socialist, and racist policies. I am happy to point this out to anybody who listens: it is something that stains the Democrats and progressives and their policies to this day. It is the origin of much of the inequality and suffering of minorities we see today.
I have never used the term "real American". But we can talk about what the culture and belief system of the majority of Americans has been in the past. And even when the proto-fascists and racists were in power a century ago, the majority of Americans didn't share their values. That's for two reasons. First, until post-WWII, government in the US was small enough that most people didn't care (voter turnout until the 1920's was less than 20%). Second, people voted based on narrow policy choices; e.g., Southern blacks voted for Democrats in the early 20th century despite their blatant racism.
The majority of Americans has never been supportive of progressive, Democrat policies. But that may be changing now. If it is, then the "real American" (=most common American) will be someone he has never been: a proto-fascist. That would be sad, but in that case, the best thing for me to do is to pack up and leave the rotting carcass of a once free and prosperous nation. What you do is your own business. Having left a shithole like that once before, all I can do is warn you about it.
Well, we are in more wars. No peace treaties. Rampant inflation. Gas prices out of control.
Trump understated how bad Biden would be.
“Hmm, I think I recall Trump using the exact phrase "enemies of the people". Who was he referring to again?”
Left wing propagandists pretending to be journalists. Which explains why that hurt your feelings so mich.
"I had no choice but to seize power, I love the country too much to let the other guy have power!" --Joe Biden.
Trump should've told Americans to take up arms and go to war on corrupt totalitarian leftists everywhere in the country
And the result of that would have been martial law. Swell.
All I know is that Pelosi appointed everyone on the committee, and they are never going to investigate "don't tell the cops there might be violence" Pelosi.
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1535254341916958721
The myth-making around Jan 6 was instantaneous. Fast forward to today, and it's been declared as official historical doctrine that the most powerful government in world history was nearly "overthrown" by a swiftly-dispersed mob of confused marauders. Absolutely beyond ludicrous
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Just laughable. There was never greater than a 0% chance at any point today that the government would be "overthrown." This melodrama is going to lead to a severely authoritarian reaction, and it will be cheered by all the usual suspects
They were so determined to overthrow the government that, after breaching the Capitol building, they dispersed and went home and allowed Congress to operate as normally the following day.
Man, such an insurrection.
Trump hating ENB failed to acknowledge the Trump hating Jan 6 Committee:
- failed to acknowledge that Pelose rejected Trump's request for 10,000 National Guard troops to be at the Capitol on Jan 6 (as Pelosi wanted Trump supporters to break into the Capitol just so she could blame Trump, which is precisely what has transpired.
- failed to mention that Ray Epps and his coconspirators (likely all FBI agents or informants who were ordered to create violence on Jan 6, just like the FBI agents who planned and orchestrated the plot to kidnap the Democrat MI Governor and then framed useful idiots who didn't like Whitmer) conspired and organized much of the Jan 6 chaos by breaking down police barriers, bullhorning and herding Trump supporters into the Capitol Ground, breaking windows and door of the Capitol and urging/herding peaceful Trump supporters in.
Seems like Pelosi and the Trump hating FBI should be held criminally accountable for their actions prior to and on Jan 6.
Note that ENB (along with all other left wing media propagandists) has never acknowledged any of these facts (stated above) during the past year and a half.
The truth about Jan 6 (which ENB, Reason and all other left wing media propagandists refuse to acknowledge) is delineated at
https://www.revolver.news/2022/01/the-essential-revolver-news-january-6-reading-list/
A lengthy follow up article detailing/showing Ray Epps (who wasn't charged with any crime on Jan 6, likely because he was/is an FBI agent or informant) orchestrate and coordinate most of the mahem on Jan 6 is at
https://www.revolver.news/2021/12/damning-new-details-massive-web-unindicted-operators-january-6/
^^these
Trump supporters came closer to violently overthrowing the American government than the Confederate army did
https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/1535065297635246081
Not understanding why there is not more love for Lizzie. I have to say I agree with these direct quotations from her post.
"So far, we may not have learned any bombshell news, and it's unclear that we ever will.
Trump never directly told people to take over the Capitol or to commit acts of vandalism and violence."
But I have to wonder about these blurbs from someone obviously suffering from brain damage.
"There were officers on the ground—they were bleeding, they were throwing up," said Edwards. "I saw friends with blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people's blood."
She described the scene as "an absolute war zone."
My first reaction to Edwards claims was "Objection, assuming facts not in evidence".
Truth be told I spent the entire time and more last night playing a video game (Guildwars) and am a better man for it.
You’re a better man for playing video games? Look, I’m not against any hobbies that people enjoy, but that’s a stretch.
I cleaned out the litter box last night after picking up the desiccated turd the dog had carried into the living room. I feel I am a better man for it than if I had watched the hearings.
Inflation just hit 8.6% (the worst since 1981), and the Dems who control Congress think people want to rehash an election protest from a year and a half ago?
Guess they won't be in control of Congress for long.
These people couldn't care less when rioters were coming for the people in 2020. They burned buildings, they murdered people, they destroyed businesses. And these people supported it.
Now that the people come for the politicians, they're all in a tizzy. Sorry, but I don't have two shits to give. Live by the protest, die by the protest.
Worse, they defamed people protecting the federal judiciary from arsonists.
"sToRmTrOoPeRs"
"uNmArKeD vAnS"
Reason Editors - Libertarians for calling riots, "mostly peaceful protests", so long as it supports the progressive narrative!
Maybe we need a movie to remind us of attacks on the third branch of government. Was it an insurrection when Schumer threatened Brett Kavanaugh by saying he'll 'Pay the Price' for Roe? How about when the Biden administration refuses to follow the law and provide protection for Justices? If liberal Justices were attacked and threatened by a Republican senator you would see protection immediately.
This seems to be the latest right-wing talking point.
Yes, Supreme Court justices should be protected and not threatened.
How does that excuse anything that happened on January 6th?
It would not.
However, I do know that Democrats defamed federal agents who were protecting the federal judiciary in Portland.
"sTorMtRoOpErS kIdNaPpInG pRoTeStERs"
"uNMaRkEd VaNs"
It doesn't, but distracting from the fact that the creepy asshole that was their leader tried to overturn the election is all they have left.
We all know the Democratic leadership tried to overturn the 2016 election with their Russian Collusion®™ propaganda campaign.
We all know that the Democratic leadership sided with the rioters who tried to overturn the federal judiciary in Portland.
Michael, you might want to read these excerpts from the GOP led Senate Intel Comm report from Aug 2020. It will keep you from looking like a complete idiot. You're welcome.
""The Committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin directed the hack-andleak campaign targeting the DNC, DCCC, and the Clinton Campaign. Moscow's intent was to damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential administration, help the Trump Campaign after Trump became the presumptive Republican nominee, and generally undermine the U.S. democratic process. The Committee's findings are based on a variety of information, including raw intelligence reporting. ...
,,,In addition to publishing the stolen documents, the Russian personas used social engineering to seed information with specific individuals associated with the Trump Campaign. The GRU also relied on U.S. social media platforms and media attention for its influence operations. -WikiLeaks actively sought, and played, a key role in the Russian campai~knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort. The Committee found significant indications that Julian Assan e and WikiLeaks have benefited from Russian overnment su art
While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump's electoral prospects. To do so, the Trump Campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks. (U) Trump and senior Campaign officials sought to obtain advance information about WikiLeaks through Roger Stone. In spring 2016, prior to Assange's public announcements, Stone advised the Campaign that WikiLeaks would be releasing materials harmful to Clinton. Following the July 22 DNC release, Trump and the Campaign believed that Roger Stone had known of the release and had inside access to WikiLeaks, and repeatedly communicated with Stone about WikiLeaks throughout the summer and fall of 2016. Trump and other senior Campaign officials specifically directed Stone to obtain information about upcoming document releases relating to Clinton and report back. At their direction, Stone took action to gain inside knowledge for the Campaign and shared his purported knowledge directly with Trump and senior Campaign officials on multiple occasions. Trump and the Campaign believed that Stone had inside information and expressed satisfaction that Stone's information suggested more releases would be forthcoming.
Some of the individuals the GRU targeted for outreach with the Gucci fer 2.0 persona were closely associated with the Trump Campaign, such as long-time Trump advisor Roger Stone.1249 On August 5, 2016, Stone penned an opinion piece asserting that Guccifer 2.0, not the Russians, had hacked the DNC, and repeating the false claims made by the GRU on the Guccifer 2.0 website and Twitter account.12
In addition to disseminating hacked materials through its own personas, the GRU gave information to WikiLeaks as part of a joint effort to secure wider distribution of stolen DNC documents and John Podesta emails. WikiLeaks opted to release those materials, first on July 22 and later on an ongoing basis between October 7 and the election. WikiLeaks also actively solicited and then released the documents for maximum effect, despite mounting evidence that they had been stolen by Russian government hackers. Notably, this was not the first instance that WikiLeaks had taken actions for the purpose of harming U.S. interests. Nor is it the only instance of contact between the Russian government and WikiLeaks, which have a history of parallel and sometimes coordinated actions in attacking U.S. institutions.
The Russian government has pursued a relationship with Julian Assange and WikiLeaks that includes formal partnerships with state-owned media platforms, government assistance for WikiLeaks associates and sources, and information sharing. This relationship has existed since at least 2012 and reflects an alignment between the Russian government and WikiLeaks in seeking to undermine U.S. institutions and security. (U) RT (formerly Russia Today) has provided both beneficial coverage ofWikiLeaks and a formal, compensated media platform for Assange. RT first signed a contract with Assange
(U) While the GRU and WikiLeaks were coordinating the release of hacked pNC, DCCC, and Podesta documents, Trump and senior Campaign officials sought information relating to "missing" Hillary Clinton emails as part of the Campaign's opposition research and press strategies. Beginning in April or May 2016, Roger Stone repeatedly cc;mveyed to Trump and senior Campaign staff that WikiLeaks would be releasing information damaging to Clinton. After the July 22 WikiLeaks release, Trump and senior Campaign officials believed Stone had access to non-public information about WikiLeaks' s ability and intent to release emails harmful to Clinton. (U) Thereafter, Trump directed Campaign officials to stay in touch with Roger Stone about future WikiLeaks activities regarding Clinton-related emails. Manafort in tum tasked Stone to contact Julian Assange, and Stone endeavored to reach Assange through several intermediaries. Stone reported back to senior Campaign officials and· associates, and to Trump directly, and provided advance informatio~ about another expected release relating to John Podesta, which he said would be damaging to Clinton. After WikiLeaks published the Podesta emails on October 7, Trump and the Campaign believed Stone had again acquired accurate, nonpublic information. The Committee could not reliably trace the provision of non-public information from WikiLeaks to Stone, and as a result. could not evaluate the full scope of Stone's non-public knowledge of WikiLeaks's activities. (U) The Trump Campaign strategically monitored and promoted the WikiLeaks releases of John Podesta's emails from October 7 until the· election.• The Campaign tried to cast doubton the October 7 joint DHS/ODNT assessment formally attributing the activity to Russia, and was indifferent to the significance of acquiring, promoting, or disseminating materials from a Russian intelligence services hack-and-leak campaign.....
...At approximately 4:32 p.m. on October 7-approximately 32 minutes after the release of the Access Hollywood tape-WikiLeaks released 2,050 emails that the GRU had stolen from John Podesta, repeatedly announcing the leak on Twitter and linking to a searchable archive of the documents.1677
Corsi said that after the October 7 WikiLeaks release, he and Stone agreed that they deserve.d credit and that."Trump should reward us."1682 However, Corsi said that Stone was concerned about having advance information about the Podesta release, and that Stone recruited . Corsi to make sure no one knew Stone had advance knowledge of that information. After the October 7 release, Corsi claimed that Stone directed him to delete emails relating to the Podesta information.1683 As outlined in his indictment and presented at trial, in subsequent congressional testim~ny to the HPSCI, Stone hid his communications with Corsi about WikiLeaks, and instead identified Credico as his intermediary; he also concealed communications he made directing both Corsi and Credico to obtain advance information about future WikiLeaks releases; and he made misleading and false statements about his communications with the Trump Campaign and individuals associated with the Campaign.1684 Following this testimony, Corsi said that Stone directed him to "stick to the plan"; Stone also threatened Credico to prevent him from testifying · to HPSCI and contradicting Stone's story.....
Trump, in written responses to the SCO, stated: "I do not recall discussing WikiLeaks with [Stone], nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks. with individuals associated with my campaign."1624 Trump further claimed that he had "no recollection of the specifics of any conversations I had with Mr. Stone between June 1, 2016 and November 8, 2016."1625 Despite Trump's recollection, the Committee ass~sses that Trump did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his Campaign about Stone's access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions. ...
...Despite the contemporaneous statement by the U.S. Government warning of Russian responsibility for the hacking and leaking of the DNC, DCCC, and Clinton Campaign documents and emails, the Trump Campaign considered the release of these materials to be its "October surprise."1691 ....
...While the Campaign was using the WikiLeaks documents, Trump cast doubt on the assessment that Russian government hackers were responsible for the hack-and-leak campaign. ..."
There's much more.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report
""Moscow's intent was to damage the Clinton Campaign and tarnish what it expected might be a Clinton presidential administration""
What could have done the Clinton campaign bad? Their own bad behavior come to light?
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, TDS-addled Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, TDS-addled Asshole.
It is sure fun to throw his contradictions back at him, for all of us to see.
https://reason.com/2022/06/10/the-january-6-hearings-may-be-surprisingly-worthwhile/?comments=true#comment-9538757
I wouldn't engage with this guy. I've seen him comment on another board and he is equal parts dumb and unhinged. He regularly quotes a line from the movie The Joker in which he fantasizes about shooting people in the head. I've come close to contacting his place of employment because I'm worried he will hurt someone some day. From what I can tell he spends A LOT of his time online trying to look clever, fishing for praise and validation. Not worth your time.
to clarify, it's Michael Ejercito I am referring to
And I am definitely not that other Joe who I don't even know.
I am a completely different Joe with access to employment records of randos on the internet.
And I am most definitely not an FBI agent trying to incite commenters into issuing death threats so that I can arrest them at their place of employment having already unconstitutionally requested a warrant for their IP address. So don't worry if you were thinking about threating me.
This is what I mean - Michael Ejercito apparently thinks I'm Joe Friday (or maybe an FBI agent?), so he creates another account with a similar name, posts a bunch of weird crap that doesn't make sense, and will now probably go tell his buddies at Quora & Ethics Alarms & who knows what other strange corners of the internet he hangs out in to check out what he did. Dude is weird and creepy and has too much time on his hands. Click his name to check out his Instagram for further evidence. Not normal.
Click his name to check out his Instagram
No thanks.
Not normal.
While threatening to contact internet randos' employers is? What a fucking douchebag.
Not threatening - while I considered it in the past, I'm not considering it now. Simply stating that in a veritable sea of crazy internet commenters, he stands out as someone I legit think could be in the news for shooting up his place of employment. I've seen a lot of dweebs over the years that lurk on various boards bitching about communists or whatnot, but few are both stupid and crazy enough to brag about wanting to shoot liberals in the head while also using their real name.
I'm not considering it now.
By all means, mewl another apology for threatening to cancel someone over free speech. It gives you and ENB something in common.
He did try to overturn the election. Through litigation. Which he had every LEGAL right to do. Democrats only like laws when it works in their favor.
Don't remember - did Schumer say they should be hanged?
If liberal Justices were attacked and threatened by a Republican senator you would see protection immediately.
How about when protesters attacked Senator Rand Paul in the street outside the RNC and nobody was arrested. How about when Rand Paul's neighbor tackled him and broke 6 ribs and a liberal justice sentenced him to 30 days.
We have entered an age of purely political justice.
Can somebody explain how the J6 hearings are different in ethics, style, factual grounding, and purpose from the McCarthy hearings?
They're more professionally produced?
Hollywood is doing the producing this time.
Video!
Should have been a straight to video production.
Seriously, do you see any ethical issue at all related to attempting to interfere with accepting the results of a Presidential election?
you obviously don't see one in fraudifying a vote.
Drop dead you idiot. Trump and his followers tried to overturn a lawful election - the 1st time that has been attempted in over 220 years of our history/
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Fuck off and die, TDS addled Asshole.
I highly recommend grey-boxing him.
Fun fact: every time he is muted, an angel gets their wings.
Had the pathetic piece of shit muted, but his continuing lies should be noted as such without wasting time dealing with each one. Hence the copy paste.
Seems to have the advantage of pissing him off, which is always a positive.
Less alcohol?
Communist sympathizers within the government were and still are a threat to the republic. The McCarthy hearings didn't become performative theater until accusations were being levied at parties outside the government who were not commie simps. The J6 hearings are performative theater start to finish.
151 more days to pull this shit. Then a hard rain is gonna fall.
The time to watch out is immediately after the election. The lame ducks are still in office, and the RINOs have maximum time for their voters to forget a betrayal before the NEXT election. That's when all the Democrats and the RINOS who feel safe can strike.
DOJ indictments? I hope so, though they have about 880 days for that.
At least, and then there is the Atlanta case.
More lies from the pathological liar Joe Asshole.
Eat shit and die, TDS-addled Asshole.
Finally had to mute the stupid son of a bitch. His bullshit post above was too long.
Cheney's presentation "is specific and uses snippets of evidence very effectively to make the case," suggested University of California, Irvine, law and political science professor Rick Hasen. "It is a strong opening argument short on invective. Showing not telling."
So it sounds like it was a short documentary film produced by the people that made The Hunting Grounds.
The hearing also delved into some of the more personal damage done by rioters. We heard from Caroline Edwards, a Capitol Police officer who was knocked unconscious in fighting with folks who were trying to enter the Capitol. She described the scene as "an absolute war zone."
For whom was it a warzone? The people killed or the people doing the killing. And B: Was Caroline Edwards the cop who beat that prone woman to death?
Show trials such as this one have all the markings of a totalitarian government. The sort one would observe in states like the Soviet union, Communist China, Cuba or Canada.
Those taking part in this sham of a trial have no shame. It's also obvious from reports, that there is very little interest in watching this miserable charade.
As for Liz Chaney, I can't stand to look at her much less listen to her nasty voice.
How about an investigation into the riots in Washington? How about an investigation into the inflationary policies of the fed and Congress? How about an investigation into the rising fuel prices? How about an investigation into the collapsing housing market? How about an investigation into the destruction of nineteen food processing plants?
F*** you congress and Liz Chaney too.
Republicans own about half of the world's private firearms, but held an Insurrection without using any?!
Please, we aren't that stupid.
It is shameful that conservative protestors were made into political prisoners, yet BLM rioters were released without bail.
Ashli Babbit was murdered, and they covered it up.
FJB
Ashli Babbit was an idiot who tried to forcibly enter a space where Representatives were. Too bad she's dead, but that's on her.
So in other words, you have as much sympathy for her as you do for Jacob Blake.
If the federal agents guarding the Mark O. Hatfield courthouse simply gunned down the rioters and arsonists en masse, what would you have said?
You make and interesting and compelling point Sevo and I'll need to consider all it's ramifications. In the meantime, why don't you suck my dick.
Michael, if any protesters at the head of a mob who have not at least been searched forcibly try to breach the entry to a space containing targeted individuals (that's exactly what Ashli did), I am fine with their being shot, no matter what political position they may have.
More lies from the TDS-addled pile of lying shit Joe Asshole.
Reply with insults; do not engage; the lying son of a bitch deserves nothing else.
Ashli Babbit was a 5' slight unarmed woman who was pushed through a broken window by a crowd. She didn't pose a threat to anybody, she wasn't resisting arrest, she wasn't failing to comply with any official's orders.
Now, you may make an argument that her shooting was justified, but if you do, you need to apply the same standard to all other police shootings. You can't rationally justify Babbit's shooting and at the same time complain about any of the police shootings that have made the press in recent years.
She wasn't pushed, she climbed up on the sidelight rail and began to jump through at her own volition. The cops on the other side had no idea what if any weapons she might have and what other rioters might try to follow her into the area where Congress persons were hiding. I am happy to make the same argument no matter the politics of the person if they meet that criteria. Some of the police shootings that have mad the news were justified in my opinion and others not. None involved a breach by a lead individual of a mob behind them in riot mode of a guarded area containing personnel hunted by that mob.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Fuck off and die, Joe Asshole.
There was a large crowd behind her; she had no other place to go.
We have had numerous trespassers and rioters at the Capitol over the years; none of them have gotten shot.
And it sounds like you are willing for police to shoot unarmed protesters only when lawmakers feel inconvenienced, not in general police interactions.
Thank you for being so clear about your views. You are an awful person.
"Ashli Babbit was an idiot who tried to forcibly enter a space where Representatives were. Too bad she's dead, but that's on her."
Cops should shoot to kill people for trespassing, per Joe.
Cop should shoot people in front of a rioting mob who breach an area the cops are guarding to protect the people the mob is seeking.
Surely you can understand the distinction, and that describes exactly the position Babbit foolishly interjected herself into.
Joe Asshole is full of shit and a TDS-addled pathological liar. Do not engage the TDS-addled pile of shit even to the point of detailing his obvious lies. Simply insult Joe Asshole,
Insult the pathetic shit-pile; the son of a bitch deserves nothing other than that.
Eat shit and die, Joe Asshole.
Joe feels the 5/29 rioters should have been slaughtered en masse.
Ditto 1/20/17 rioters.
Ditto BLM rioters.
There was at least one rioter with firearms. It is a myth that there were no armed rioters on January 6th.
Well, also Saint Babbitt was unarmed, they say... To this I say...
What utter bullshit! A lion, tiger, or bear charges you, having NO weapons other than body their parts... Just as "un-armed" as Saint Babbitt... Are you, or are you NOT gonna shoot said predator, if you have a gun? If I beat the shit out of you, with my fists, shall I be forgiven, 'cause I was... unarmed?
My GAWD you (Saint Babbitt Worshitters) fascists are illogical!!!
Mike Laursen is, as usual, outright lying.
The person allegedly in possession of a firearm arrived after the riot had ended.
When a mob of rioters and arsonists attacked the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland, many people, including members of Congress and writers at Reason, whined about sTorMtRoOpErS kIdNaPpInG pRoTeStERs AnD uNMaRkEd VaNs.
They are ethically estopped from criticizing the Capitol riot.
Attacking (as in attempting to set fire to) a federal courthouse, and occupying a large downtown area and declaring it an "autonomous zone", forcibly excluding police and other emergency services, qualifies as an actual insurrection, yet it was never called that.
So, was Michael Moore involved in the committee's video production?
That pathetic asshole tried to overturn a presidential election for the 1st time in our long history and started before the 1st vote was cast, because the polls were clear - he's a loser. If you can't see that you're an idiot or drunk of cult juice and a very bad judge of human character.
The hearing last night demolished the idea that he might have innocently sought to clarify the results, because he was told what the results were numerous times by his own trusted aides - he lost. With that information, he's a conspirator with criminal intent to obstruct our government's lawful process for choosing our president. As anyone should have known from seeing this guy turn on loyal aides, lie without the common decency to try and make it plausible, and brag about everything, he's a baby who will sell out anyone to save his own ass and stay on TV.
Pathetic, and so are his followers.
But enough about Hillary Clinton, Kevin Clinesmith, Peter Strzok, and Michael Sussman...
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
https://reason.com/2022/06/10/the-january-6-hearings-may-be-surprisingly-worthwhile/?comments=true#comment-9538709
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Joe Asshole.
Hahahahahahahahaha goddamn you are one dumb motherfucker.
Tilden won handily in 1876, but the Republicans found a way to have their officials overturn the election at the point of additional guns and bayonets. John Sherman's memoirs retell the Republican side of the story and the 1880 Dem platform in its 695 words decries the fraud and coercion. Nixon sued to grab Texas electoral votes after JFK won, and Hillary hired half the actors from Central Casting to upend The Don's popular loss and electoral "victory." If ever a Libertarian wins in the looter sense, expect the same.
Overt - you still think ENB is NOT a far left progressive?
The January 6th protesters were not there to riot. They were not there to foment insurrection.
They were there to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
What grievances?
To be assured, beyond doubt, that this had been a free and fair election. That all counted votes were valid votes. That what they had witnessed on election night and in video playback afterwards did not show the election being stolen.
Their day before the Supreme Court was denied for procedural reasons--meaning any evidence and oddity would never get explained save by media dismissals.
They wanted everything to be called to a halt until an investigation settled the matter.
But that could not be allowed.
Because it was not possible.
The election laws that had been hastily altered all throughout the country had one purpose--to obscure the irregularities that the left was going to use to steal the election.
Suddenly ballot harvesting was fine, suddenly it was fine to send unsolicited ballots out to every name in the state, suddenly address and signature irregularities were fine. All legislated or decreed into legality.
That sudden jump in the count that made the people on the right gasp didn't just happen in a few swing states. It happened in every state where the left controls the mid-level layers of the election process.
The people saw what had happened and thought that if they could just get an investigation the situation could be rectified.
But the left could not let that happen.
In 2022 guard your ballot boxes. Follow the transports. Keep eyes on the ballots every second.
Because they're planning on doing it again. And again. And again.
The revolution cannot happen so long as the US is viable, powerful, and free. So they must destroy it from within.
You're a true believing fool Aza and Trump's own trusted appointees and personnel say you're full of shit about the election - just like your leader.
Guess what, Joe. Nobody fucking cares about the J6 committee. It's a waste of taxpayer funds and a waste of elected officials' time- time that they should be spending focused on the real and significant problems facing regular Americans. People cared on January 7th, before they had to start cutting out every last little bit of convenience out of their lives as the cost of living went up and up and up.
They cared before the cost of food started creeping up, and Biden Inc tweeted to let them know they were saving 16¢ on their 4th of July party.
They cared before the ships started stacking up outside Long Beach and Psaki told them their treadmill being delayed was a first-world problem, and before she tried to tell them how heroic it was for the Secretary of Transportation to take months of paternity leave in the middle of a national crisis.
They cared before gas cost $4 a gallon and your buddies the D's told them to just go buy an electric car.
They cared before socialist darling AOC went to the Met Gala and then tried to pretend it was part of her duties, while regular Americans can't even afford to go to the movies.
They cared before Biden Inc started trying to blame Putin for everything.
They cared before gas cost $5 a gallon and they have to drive to three different grocery stores to get less food for more money.
They cared when they could get baby formula.
They will absolutely not care when they call 911 and the cops don't come because they're out of gas money.
They will absolutely not care in August when they can't afford to buy equipment and pay athletic fees for their kids to play football this year.
In fact, probably about right now, some people who may have cared are starting to wish the J6 crew had succeeded and the colossal fuck up currently running the White House was never sworn in.
You hope they don't care Cronut because you're obviously a Trump true believer - one the lower forms of life in North America - but of course Americans should care that a President tried to overturn an election out of pure selfish and traitorous motivations.
That you don't says all anyone needs to know about your lack of morals, patriotism, and seriousness. Go fuck yourself.
Joe Asshole proves once again why it is a waste of time to engage the TDS-addled pile of shit.
Eat shit and die, Asshole. Make your family proud and your dog happy.
Ratings are in, dillweed. The networks bombed last night during prime time. MSNBC and CNN did better, but still came in behind Fox News.
Nobody cares.
That should make you happy, right? If nobody cares about an attempt to circumvent the electoral process, then that means Team Red gets away with it, right?
1-party rule by "Team R", here we come!
Yet they never have an answer for the below...
WHEN are you going to give us an example of a 1-party state that led to long-term peace and prosperity? Since you SOOO clearly advocate for a 1-party "R"-party state?
"Team Red" didn't have the FBI lie on multiple affidavits to spy on a sitting President for literally a made up lie.
What exactly is Team Red getting away with?
Try not to answer as a collectivist.
Actually, sockpuppet, I'm not a 'believer' at all.
I trust nothing. I look for myself. I read the laws, the EOs, the rules. I check the addresses, in person when I can and with googlemaps when I can't.
It's ridiculously simple.
But your masters are so sure that none of you will ever do it. That they can just tell you what to think and how to act and that you will just attack whatever you're told to attack that they never need worry that their army of useful idiots will fall apart.
But this time they may have miscalculated.
Sure Aza, you're type who does his own "research" on vaccines.
Joe Asshole adds mor lies to this repertoire.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
As opposed the type who blindly believes and says what he’s told by democrat masters?
Please...all a fucking joke. Watch what happens when the GOP controls the House and Senate...can you spell "impeachment"?
Anyway, gas here went up twenty cents a gallon this morning. Well over $6/gallon for regular, some places $7/gallon for premium. THAT'S what people are most concerned about these days.
Unless you're simple minded you can think about more than one think at a time. The problem of inflation is orthogonal to the Trump coup attempt of 2021. Only simpletons aren't concerned about both.
*thing 😀
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
Roland Freisler, from hell, must envy the 21st Century production values of the J6 Committee.
Geez, at this writing 757 comments.
You guys are toooooo easy. Should have just ignored the article.
"And a lot of the same people preening about the near-loss of American democracy want to dismantle the senate, pack the courts, undermine your first and second amendment rights. Right now, they’re a bigger threat to the constitution than those deluded thugs who rioted."
https://twitter.com/davidharsanyi/status/1535231613595963393?s=20&t=mYNBIildz9LVuYMd7BVy4Q
Since the GOP stole 2 seats the court is already packed Cronut, the filibuster is not in the constitution, no one except Ron DeSantis is currently attacking the 1st Amendment, and the 2nd amendment is predicated on an archaic institution which has not existed for well over 100 years.
Joe Asshole proves to be a lying TDS-addled Asshole yet one more time.
Eat shit and die, Asshole
Two seats? How do you figure? Oh, you mean when the famous RBG died at the wrong time and the then (R) controlled Senate was able to confirm the new justice quickly during the Trump presidency, as is their duty. Or that the same (R) was able to keep the confirmation process in place by not confirming a justice, as is also their duty, that they felt was not a good fit for the SCOTUS and thus, having a majority again, could affect the outcome.
Wasn't it something something matters?
The GOP Senate didn't perform it's constitutional duty to advise and consent on Garland - not because they objected to him but to deny a twice elected president his right and responsibility to appointee SC justices. Advice and consent requires hearings and meetings where objections and votes are taken.
They then violated their own supposed reason for doing this - too close to an election though the nomination was made in March - too ram through Barrett after voting had already begun and the EC chosen loser of the 2016 election who nominated her was correctly predicted to lose.
That's packing the court with nominees chosen by a President twice rejected by voters.
Boy, Joe Asshole's been working all night coming up with more bullshit.
Fuck off and die, Joe Asshole.
God damn son.
Nothing on the Ministry of Truth, Joe?
Really? DeSantis? Is it the 'Don't say Gay' infringement you reference? Yawn.
The GOP Senate didn't perform it's constitutional duty to advise and consent on Garland - not because they objected to him but to deny a twice elected president his right and responsibility to appointee SC justices. Advice and consent requires hearings and meetings where objections and votes are taken.
DeSantis rammed a bill through the Florida legislature without hearings or informed debate to punish a company who's CEO dared criticize previous legislation. Of course most of you MAGA voters pretending to be libertarians not only haven't objected but have approved this instance of politicians using the full weight of the government to stifle speech. That is not the only instance of DeSantis bullying businesses and local governments though that is the most clear violation of the 1st amendment.
Joe Asshole, spouting more lies. As a lying pile of lefty shit, Joe Asshole does nothing else.
Lies and advocacy of government violence--that's all you have.
You are so typical of modern progressives.
You'll have to be specific NYOB. That makes no sense.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Make your family proud, Asshole, fuck off and die.
Your message that I responded to was full of lies. Clear enough for you?
Since the GOP stole 2 seats the court is already packed Cronut, the filibuster is not in the constitution, no one except Ron DeSantis is currently attacking the 1st Amendment, and the 2nd amendment is predicated on an archaic institution which has not existed for well over 100 years.
Who writes the talking points for your team? The author likely has a learned degree but it would be a stretch to say it was in Black, Gender, Womyn, Ethnic studies.
Serious question: don't you think DeSantis is hot?
Well, this is the most comments I've seen in a while. Too dense to jump into now. Alas.
I can sum it up: Most commentators think this is a kangaroo show trial. JeffDeesarc think it’s great.
That's quitter talk!
Quitters never win, except now quitting is a moral victory so long as you have the right politics
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With a never-before-seen 12-minute video of the deadly violence and startling testimony from Trump’s most inner circle, the House committee provided gripping detail in contending that Trump’s repeated lies about election fraud and his public effort to stop Joe Biden’s victory led to the attack and imperilled American democracy
https://worldabcnews.com/jan-6-hearings-air-violent-previously-unseen-footage-of-rioters-beating-police-breaching-capitol/
I'm not up to speed on this, but the article says Democrats are making their "case" very effectively.
What "case" is that exactly? What even is this all about?
https://twitter.com/i/events/1478140190304575495
There is no evidence that Trump requested troops to secure the Capitol or consulted Pelosi ahead of January 6 insurrection, fact-checkers say
Former president Donald Trump did not formally request 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the Capitol in the days leading up to the insurrection on January 6, 2021, fact-checkers from PolitiFact and The Washington Post say. A spokesperson for the Defense Department said there is “no record of such an order being given” and a spokesperson for House Leader Nancy Pelosi said she was never consulted about National Guard ahead of the events, according to PolitiFact and Washington Post.
Photo via @ReutersLegal
Grade A bullshit propaganda! Nevermind the COP and mayor having publicly acknowledged that it did happen.
Wow, 895 comments as of 4:39. Can we break 1000?
Sure! And, I'll help push it along.
Question for the commenters. Is ENB a:
A) Libertarian
B) Far Left Progressive
1 more
C'mon people. 992 comments at 7:49. We can do it!
Mostly B, but with a brave, edgy Libertarian-like position on sex work.
If ENB is a "Far Left Progressive", so then what is your definition of a "Progressive"?
It clearly is not based on policy. I have never seen ENB come out in support of Green New Deal, or single-payer health care, or more gun control, or higher taxes. Does she support abortion rights? Well yeah. But so do a lot of libertarians.
So what is your definition of a "Progressive" then?
Progressivism is an ideology that advocates the use of government in order to direct social, economic, and technological changes in a particular direction that is considered "progress" by the adherents of progressivism.
Social and economic "progress" according to progressives includes statistical equality of outcome for certain identifiable groups, and lowering income and wealth inequality.
Technological "progress" according to progressives includes the increased use of information and communications technology to manage society, news, and the economy.
Progressivism is closely related to socialism and communism, which have similar goals and political approaches.
Anyone know the Reason comments record?
"not just a rogue president but a would-be autocrat willing to shred the Constitution to hang onto power at all costs,"
Except the part where Trump...didn't?
Keep in mind that he left office without use of force, is eligible to seek re-election, and is doing so.
An actual autocrat would have planned a real coup. Historically, leaders tend to radicalize military and police forces and then push them to revolt against elected officials. Funny enough, it's Democrats who have done this, not by installing their stooges, but by scaring off all the good guys with guns who typically make up our armed forces.
"Many photos and videos from January 6 depict people who were plausibly clueless—wandering the Capitol rotunda, gawking, taking selfies—or engaged in only the mildest of mischief. But footage aired during the committee hearing vividly presented the day's much more sinister side." - ENB
Sinister, such as the Capital Police killing two unarmed protesters?
Who is Ashlii Babbitt? SAY HER NAME!!!
Well, also Saint Babbitt was unarmed, they say... To this I say...
What utter bullshit! A lion, tiger, or bear charges you, having NO weapons other than their body parts... Just as "un-armed" as Saint Babbitt... Are you, or are you NOT gonna shoot said predator, if you have a gun? If I beat the shit out of you, with my fists, shall I be forgiven, 'cause I was... unarmed?
My GAWD you (Saint Babbitt Worshitters) fascists are illogical!!!
"The result was a cohesive and disturbing view of the lead-up to the day's events and their aftermath." - ENB
You are accepting the Democrats edited propaganda video as truth when you know that the Government refuses to turn over all their video evidence OR tell us any details about how many agents they had onsite. You're an embarrassment for journalism and please stop pretending to be a Libertarian. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Pro Tip - Libertarians don't get so easily duped by a propaganda video made by the Democrats and ABC news.
So they manifested an invasion of the capitol during the electoral college certification with special effects? Is that your claim?
At some point, don't you just want to be on the right side of something?
No, not at all. What they did is that they misrepresented a rowdy protest at a government building, of the kind we have had many times before, as an "insurrection".
Interestingly, their message is backfiring. Democrats are trying to paint the entire Republican party as crazed, yet their testimony shows that everybody other than Trump was pretty much unified behind the idea that Trump had lost and that there was nothing to be done.
Thanks, Democrats, for disproving your "Ultra Maga" nonsense.
Just mute Tony. His level of derp is beyond saving. You could provide clear evidence of "fill in any progressive politician or position" being guilty of a crime, and he's argue the opposite. Ditto for Lying Jeffy, White Mike, Raspberry, MollyG, etc.
You are 100% correct. They can't accept evidence right in front of them, just whatever Trump and OAN/Tucker tells them to think lmfao
You.
Are.
100%.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Fuck off and die.
"She talked about watching fellow Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick—who would die the next day—turn white after being sprayed with something by one of the rioters."
What!?! White Mike told us that Sicknick was killed by an assault fire extinguisher. I guess since the ME report made it clear that was false, the narrative is changing to "being sprayed with something."
"And as the MAGA mob took the U.S. Capitol building by storm, Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard." - ENB
Sigh. Even NPR is reporting this is false.
https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955548910/ex-capitol-police-chief-rebuffs-claims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri
"Sund says he requested assistance six times ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol. Each of those requests was denied or delayed, he says. "
We know it wasn't Trump that denied the request because NPR would have clearly indicated that. Must be cover for a favored, progressive pol.
Jason, your article does not say Trump gave an order to deploy the National Guard. It does say:
"Sund says during a conference call with several law enforcement officials at about 2:26 p.m., he asked the Pentagon to provide backup.
Senior Army official Lt. Gen. Walter E. Piatt, director of the Army Staff, said on the call he couldn't recommend that Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy authorize deployment, Sund and others on the call told the Post. Piatt reportedly said, "I don't like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background," the Post reported..."
Clearly if Trump had called them to deploy, Piatt would have complied.
More lies from Joe Asshole.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
Pelosi is reponsible for Capitol security, not Trump.
Pelosi needs to be put on the stand and questioned about her decisions leading up to the protest, in particular why she refused to deploy additional security ahead of time.
"all the Justice Department overreach against people who merely trespassed" - ENB
Huh, perhaps I've missed all the articles on Reason regarding the overreach against misdemeanor trespassing? Or, maybe I missed links within the daily Roundup on this subject? An actual Libertarian, being an "editor" for a Libertarian magazine & website, would actually report on these stories but it's been nothing but crickets on this front here at Reason. Fuck off Liz.
"But what went down was frightening, and many of those involved in spreading the lies that led to the riot and to whitewashing it afterward (including but certainly not limited to Trump) are still major political players." - ENB
Wow. Are you fucking serious. Twitter has rotted your fragile brain. When BLM riots occurred across the country, you parroted the bullshit narrative of "mostly peaceful protests". Portland gets seiged by Antifa, mostly crickets. Autonomous zone is Seattle, not sedition or insurrention; nope! Attached by progressives "protestors" on the White House; ENB & Progressives LOL at Trump hiding in his bunker. But protesting in favor of LITERALLY Hitler and what are clearly questionable election results, that is scary?
Lies that led to the riot - Wow! So much to unpack there. Why not call it a mostly peaceful protest? Why would you afford that definition for BLM race riots but not Trump riot? You don't need to answer. It's clear you are a far left progressive and you're not fooling anybody around here. (Well, maybe Overt.)
News flash Lizzy - If you believe Joe fucking Biden, hiding in his basement, legitimately got 81 million votes, then you are beyond help. Trump is leading multiple states on election night. Vote counters are told to go home. Then, in the wee hours of the night, somehow, hundreds of thousand of votes come in. And surprise, they're at 96-98% clip for Biden. Yeah, nothing fishy there.
And no surprise, Democrats are fighting election audits across every front possible. If the results are legit, why fight to keep an audit from occurring?
"are still major political players" - And, here you tip your hand as the partisan hack that you are. This entire shitshow is about branding anybody that questioned Trumps defeat as a heretic. And, scaring off decent in the future. Same reason why non-violent trespassers are still sitting in federal prison without bail.
Oh, sorry. I thought you were a serious poster.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
"Having a measured, multifaceted, and comprehensive record of what happened seems important for the historical record and for jogging contemporary memories about just how bad this actually was and how differently things could have gone if Trump had been surrounded by slightly less defiant people." - ENB
Yeah, nothing says measured, multifaceted and comprehensive like presenting partial truths by political opponents. Goebbels is rolling over in his grave!
How bad this actual was? - See previous posts. BLM riots killing dozens of people and 10s of billions in damage. Most peaceful protesting. J6 - 2 deaths were by police against protestors, a few broken windows, and God forbid, icky MAGA supporter's feet on Nancy Pelosi's desk!!! THE HORROR!!! Of course, AOC almost died even though she was miles away. IT WAS THAT BAD!!!
Why are you even attempting to defend the Capitol riot at all?
There is nothing wrong with denouncing the rioting and violence at the BLM 2020 protests, AND denouncing the rioting and violence at Jan. 6 2021.
He’s not defending the riot, he’s pointing out the problems with ENB’s analysis and post about the show trial.
He analysis is spot on, so there's really not any problems to point out, it's actually pretty accurate as per her usual journalistic showings.
*Her 😀
One more TDS-addled lefty shit accounted for.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Hahahahahaha, wait are you serious?
Do I get to pretend like violence at BLM protests is no big deal because of the Iraq war?
It's morally indefensible to downplay the coup attempt, and it's morally indefensible to engage in propaganda that dismisses the BLM protests as just some thuggery. It's all in service of the same Republican project, after all.
No, you can just fuck off pretending like you care when a protest turns violent.
Unlike you and your leftist friends, nearly every person to the right of Obama (especially posters here) condemned the violence and riot on J6 AND the violence and riots that broke out at every BLM protest in 2020.
Just checked out TRUTH Social. Main talking point repeated many times there is that the hearings got low ratings, as if that is what’s important.
It's campaign advertising for Democrats. Of course ratings are the most important thing. Free media doesn't help if no one watches.
When you decide to do your show trial at prime time and hire a media producer to do it, yeah, ratings are the only thing that’s really going to matter.
And now the latest right-wing talking point, a fiction made up out of whole cloth by Ashli Babbitt’s widower, is that she was trying to stop the rioters from entering the Speaker’s Lobby.
Pagine Joe Asshole!
Please show up and prove once again that lying lefty shit you are.
Am I in the right place? Libertarian as in liberty?
Life is too short to debate the numerous omissions of fact this hit piece dodges. Rather I'd like to ask about what we will not find out from this 'commission' :
How does one justify the exclusion of the members selected by the opposition party, replacing them with highly biased others so that unanimous uniparty opinion provide 100% of the narrative? Presedent much?
Why is there no mention here of the formal offer Trump made THREE SEPARATE TIMES BEGINNING ON JANUARY 2? Since the offer was rejected every time - why would he be expected to initiate a 4th attempt. Isn't there some point where the personnel directly responsible for the Capitol security have to 'do something' other than imitate a deer in the headlights?
The person most responsible for the Capitol is the Speaker of the House. The most apparent evidence of what took place is the thousands of hours of official video, and the glaring discrepancies of the bizarre contradictions in planning with a known threat communicated days in advance. There is only one person that can clear up these mysteries and the secrecy of the evidence from the public. How can it be possible that only half of the Cspiyol Police were on duty? When will Nancy Pelosi testify under oath on 6 networks live? If she refuses, will she be put in legirons by the FBI as well? Of put in solitary confinement awaiting trial for a misdemeanor? Or treated more like Ray Epps, going from. Most Wanted to Not Interested with zero explanation?
Just curious... why would Trump organize disrupting the joint session at exactly the time that the long standing tradition of questioning the election outcome was about to take place? Isn't that the opposite of what people like Ted Cruz had planned? In whose interests did the disruption favor??? Are they going to have Ted Cruz testify what was actually planned to happen, or should we not worry our pretty little heads about motivation and opportunity?
2 women were killed by Capitol Police. There is no explanation or inquiry offered about either despite many eye witnesses. Would it be OK if the same process was followed with George Floyd? I kinda had the impression that Reason had the occasional concern about law enforcement abusing its authority. WTF? LIKE IN TODAY'S ARTICLE ABOUT LOUISIANA!
I consider election integrity and the publics perception of it kinda important. I previously thought Reason did as well. There were thousands of examples of irregularities (many coincidentally in multiple states simultaneously). There was flagrant disregard for the laws controlling elections in many states. There's the approximately 400 million Zuckerbucks that took over government election oversight in a quasi-legal fashion at best. There is more evidence daily of wholesale organized ballot trafficking in multiple seing states - at a minimum. When will it be time to accept the BIG LIE may omly be a TINY FIB, or. less. Let's accept that there's nothing in the Constitution about personality clashes or mean tweets!
Is it legal for the lopsided commission to hire a commercial producer and turn a Congressional fotmal procedure into a Hollywood show? Appropriate? If giving the public transparency is the objective, why is the critical evidence in an undesclosed vault?
This entire farce is one big shiny metal object. Why don't you tun an Elon Musk style informal poll as to the objectivity of your article? It could make Biden fell a lot better about his polls. But I digress; we don't want to distract just because the country is going to heck in a handbasket. Thank goodness the King is dead...
No Dudley, this is a MAGA comment board, not libertarian.
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Eart shit and die, Asshole
So Libertarians don't want to Make America Great Again???
Crap; I must identify with the wrong party.....
That's fine TJJ, it's the part where you defend a pathetic asshole who tried to overturn an election he lost and a governor passing laws to punish people who criticized him.
Obama?
Obama what TJJ? Spit it out?
Joe Asshole here with more lies.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
You said passing laws to punish people who criticized him.. I think Obama set a record in that department; but Biden and his 'ministry of truth' might be breaking that record. As for overturning an election did you stupid *ss already forget about Clinton's crusade of Ads from Russia = stolen election or the 'NotMyPresident' violence?? Ironically neither having a speckle of evidence for election fraud and not even caring that they didn't.
What's fun about you Democrats is your Projection is 100%... Even though Trump had more than enough law violations to claim election fraud you leftard's will run around blaming EVERYTHING YOUR PARTY has/is doing on everyone else. From Racism, Sexism, Election fortification to wildly blaming debt and a failing economy on anyone else which the left wildly pitches spending and locking up economies......
Projection is all the left has to sell people.
Joe Asshole here to deliver more lies.
Fuck off and die, Asshole.
If one cares about liberty and election integrity, seems one would be a tad concerned about a mob storming the Capitol to try to interrupt the peaceful transition of Presidential administrations.
lol... So election integrity is watching governors executive change voting legislation, watching illegals fill the ballot box, watching ballots jump state lines, watching over-night billions of anonymous votes flip a 80% (Real People) win into a 51% loss every time????
And just watch it all happen; without even a speckle of skepticism?? Even most of the loosing side saw it happening...
You're F'En crazy and your honor-ability level is exactly ZERO.
TJJ, you really should have watched the Hearing Thursday night. It was proven that Trump's own appointees, his trusted aides, all told him he lost and there was no significant fraud.
You look silly pushing the old lies the next day.
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Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
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Eat shit and die, Asshole.
lost what???? A fraud-ed election............
What's hilarious is you seem to think you're making a point.
The crook got away so apparently justice and integrity is that you deserved to loose all your stolen stuff.. You leftards are so sick in the head.
If this was actually a MAGA board you would have been run off already. Fuck you.
Nice to see you admit that MAGA folk don't really care about free speech.
Fuck off and die, lefty shit.
Trump is still trying to overturn the 2020 election to this day. Nancy Pelosi was his victim. So was the vice president. That mob was going to kill them if they found them. If they weren't 99% white Republicans, if their goal weren't for them to install Trump as illegitimate president, God knows what you'd be imploring the government to do to them.
Your team fucked up. They got stupided by FOX News to such an extent that they thought Donald Trump was a credible president. You lost. You are bad and stupid. The only thing that needs fixing is your brain. Go to a spa or something.
Hahahahahaha
Is it legal for the lopsided commission to hire a commercial producer and turn a Congressional fotmal procedure into a Hollywood show?
I don't see how it's legal. The cost of the show should be reported as campaign contributions. This must violate campaign finance laws.
Just curious... why would Trump organize disrupting the joint session at exactly the time that the long standing tradition of questioning the election outcome was about to take place?
There was no "long standing tradition" of objections to Electoral Votes. It happened only a few times and only twice before had there been both a House Representative and Senator objecting that triggers a vote. In 1969, the issue was a 'faithless elector' that cast his vote for George Wallace despite Nixon winning his state. The objections were intended to highlight a need to reform the Electoral College so that such faithless electors couldn't change the outcome of the people's vote. The other time was in 2004, when George W. Bush won and Ohio had some irregularities that some Democrats claimed would have made a difference. (Bush won Ohio by a little over 100,000 votes.) The votes to deny certifying Ohio's votes for Bush failed badly. (1-74 in the Senate and 31-267 in the House)
Another couple of times a few House members objected, but didn't have any Senators with them, so their objections were dismissed by the VP and things continued. (Gore and Biden in 2001 and 2017)
The Republicans that objected on Jan 6, 2021 did so based on lies and conspiracy theories. They saw their own electoral prospects as tied to Trump and had to appease Trump's fans. A year and half later, and there is still no evidence of significant fraud credible enough to convince anyone other than Trump fans. It is a matter of faith, faith in Trump, that the election was stolen from him. The cult of personality lives on.
"no evidence of significant fraud credible enough"
Hard to find evidence when Democrats fight every attempt at audits and courts throw out cases because of no standing.
But you're right. Joe Biden absolutely got 81 million votes without any significant fraud. Nothing questionable about that; not at all.
Hard to find evidence when Democrats fight every attempt at audits and courts throw out cases because of no standing.
Oh, of course. There is no evidence of a conspiracy to steal the election from Trump because of the conspiracy to cover it up! As the Church Lady would say, how convenient. That Democrats resisted obviously biased efforts to 'audit' the results (like the Cyber Ninjas and what is still going on in Wisconsin) is not a conspiracy to hide fraud. It is resisting disingenuous attempts to undercut public confidence in elections to justify whatever manipulations they will try next time. Ultimately, the plan seems to be to sow enough doubt that it provides cover for a Republican legislature to disregard election results they don't like with claims of fraud and select presidential electors themselves.
The lawsuits were not all dismissed on procedural grounds. At least some were ruled by judges to lack evidence of what they were alleging. And most of the lawsuits were over procedural issues anyway, and weren't even trying to claim specific instances of fraud. Like Rudy himself said to one judge, it wasn't a "fraud case". As one federal judge in Wisconsin said, (a Trump appointee, if that matters to you),
"A sitting president who did not prevail in his bid for reelection has asked for federal court help in setting aside the popular vote based on disputed issues of election administration, issues he plainly could have raised before the vote occurred," he wrote.
"This court allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits. In his reply brief, plaintiff 'asks that the Rule of Law be followed.' It has been."
But you're right. Joe Biden absolutely got 81 million votes without any significant fraud. Nothing questionable about that; not at all.
This is the most revealing part of your reply, though. You simply don't want to believe that that many people would vote for Biden and not Trump. I certainly don't want to believe that 74 million people voted for Trump, but I don't doubt it just it because I find Trump abhorrent. No matter how much you want to believe that most people agree with you, you'll have to accept that it isn't so.
Look how the lefty scumbag Jason justifies murder of an innocent protester:
"JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
How pathetic do you have to be to promote that?
Well, as pathetic as the lefty asshole JasonT20.
"Jack Del Rio fined $100K for comments about Capitol riot"
[...]
"Asked Wednesday about a social media post he made earlier in the week, Del Rio downplayed the deadly insurrection and questioned why the protests in the summer of 2020 after Floyd’s death were not receiving the same scrutiny. Del Rio called the Jan. 6, 2021, riot “a dust-up at the Capitol,” which he later apologized for.
“He understands the distinction between the events of that dark day and peaceful protests, which are a hallmark of our democracy,” Rivera said in the statement, adding that Del Rio had a constitutional right to voice his opinion. “Words have consequences and his words hurt a lot of people in our community. I want to make it clear that our organization will not tolerate any equivalency between those who demanded justice in the wake of George Floyd’s murder and the actions of those on Jan. 6 who sought to topple our government.”..."
https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-washington-commanders-nfl-sports-cd067ace49f5c5e585b3cea109574f7c
Rivera is:
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Gee, that's terrible that a private company would punish an employee for saying things that draw negative attention to it.
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Would not Rivera's downplaying of the riots in Minneapolis, Portland, and Kenosha have drawn negative attention to his organization?
Wow. Seriously, making my decision to stop watching the NFL look pretty good. Does Rivera actually believe that horseshit?
J6 is a "dark day" where a bunch of unarmed protestors were trying to "topple our government"; you know, the same government with the largest army in human history.
But BLM riots across our country are a "hallmark of our democracy"? Is he so insulated from the truth that he doesn't realize how many BLM protests turned into riots; burning down buildings and gangs of "protestors" inflicting physical violence. Dozens of people were killed during the BLM riots by the "protestors". This isn't hyperbole, but documented fact.
The Trump coup participants were not unarmed. Did you watch any of the video? Before you start racistly ranting about a totally unrelated thing like BLM, please say whether you've watched the videos of that day.
Fuck off and die, assshole.
There were riots in Minneapolis, Portland, and Kenosha.
"...J6 is a "dark day" where a bunch of unarmed protestors were trying to "topple our government"; you know, the same government with the largest army in human history..."
It's similar to the cops killing and arresting people carrying paper clips to prevent "armed Robbery".
I have to begrudgingly tip my hat to Liz Cheney. Certainly not because she offers cover to "good" Republicans, including her very father, whose ideas all led to what we witnessed, whose incompetence caused the decadence of the US state and civil society. Not even necessarily because she lends some measure of bipartisan credibility to a hearing that could be dismissed as a Democrat witch hunt (FOX News will destroy anything it chooses to, and all Republicans are expendable when necessary).
But she does speak plainly while people like Biden are still stuck on either ostentatious conciliation or pretending like Trump never existed. Two separate roles, I guess, only one of them plausibly leading to reelection.
Eat shit and die, asshsole.
I don't place blame on Dick Cheney or George W. Bush for the state of our politics. They deserve blame for many things, but the Republican Party started its slide long before Bush 43 was elected. The conservative movement really started the move toward what it is now with the rise of conservative talk radio. Rush Limbaugh being the most prominent example of what I mean. Sean Hannity has admitted at various times that he isn't a journalist, and I'm pretty sure that Rush had said the same more than once.
Being factually accurate was never an ethical concern for those kinds of talking heads. It was all about playing to the emotions of their conservative audiences and making them feel like they are so obviously right to believe what they want to believe and that dark forces of leftism will destroy all that is right and good about America. There is money to be made in the form of ratings by entertaining their listeners/viewers that way.
Here's the scumbag Jasson justifying murder of an un-armed protester as a perfectly acceptable preventative measure since that innocent person might sometime later do something the asshole might not like:
"JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Here's to a running rusty chainsaw up yours, Jason.
Cheney is one of very few Republicans with balls and is probably ending her political career on a matter of principle.
By the way, it can't be said enough - the GOP was offered a bi-partisan 9/11 type committee and it would have the same subpoena powers as the democrats on it. For partisan political reasons they turned that down.
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Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
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Eat shit and die, Asshole.
If Sevo can prove anything I posted is a lie he has that opportunity here. He's a coward who can't get it up for the fight. I'd recommend you all ignore him but it seems obvious you already do.
Yes. I've had him muted since they first added that feature.
First, you're still full of shit; your sorry ass wasn't here at that time, unless you're another embarrassed pile of lefty shit who changed handles to avoid being muted under your last.
Further, please accept my heartfelt thanks! You are but one of the many lying piles of lefty assholes who refuse to deal with reality.
Up yours with a running rusty chainsaw
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When presented with facts refuting his lies, he simply repeats the lies in the typical tactic of lefty liars.
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Eat shit and die, asshole.
By the way, it can't be said enough - the GOP was offered a bi-partisan 9/11 type committee and it would have the same subpoena powers as the democrats on it. For partisan political reasons they turned that down.
Some Republicans will counter that Democrats wouldn't let them put who they wanted on that committee, and that is why it was ultimately rejected. But the reality was that having Rep. Jim Jordan be one of their picks was a poison pill designed to make the committee not happen. Democrats were certainly not going to accept putting someone on the committee that was involved in what was being investigated.
The Trumpists in the Republican Party had no interest in a real investigation because they wanted to be able to continue to spread whatever propaganda they could to their base and play the victim.
Really, this is totally revealing of the way that Trumpism works and how its adherents think. They love people that will play the tough guy and 'fight back', but really, it is all about believing that they are being persecuted for trying to uphold what is 'right'. Actually having to compete in the marketplace of ideas fairly, with reasoned arguments, and verifiable facts is not something that they want to have to do. Believing that they are on the side of the righteous and that those that oppose them are evil and will do evil things to win is an emotional hook that Trump and his acolytes play to their advantage.
You're not muted, you pile of shit, since I want to rub your face in your idiocy every time you post:
"JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Up yours with a running, rusty chainsaw, asshole.
A different world from when Sen Goldwater led a group of Republicans to see Nixon and tell him it was over. The only person Rep McCarty fears as much as the Jan 6th rioters who chased him out of his office is the guy he called as that was happening who told him to fuck off.
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Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
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Eat shit and die, Asshole.
Let's try to help ENB and the other progressives with understanding how to judge a protest turned riot. Here are four scenarios. Let's reflect on the actual damage caused by each event(s) and the type of media coverage associated with each incident. Or, lack of coverage.
1. One protest where a handful of protestors clash with police, otherwise peaceful protest. Video evidence shows police allowing the protestors into a federal building where they proceed to walk casually through the building taking selfies and generally walking between the normal visitor corridors. Police killed? None. Protestors killed by police? Two. (I did read a report by NPR saying 30 million in damage. Doubtful, but we'll use that for comparison to other scenarios.)
2. Dozens of protests across the country that turn into riots. "Protestors" burn down personal property and government buildings; including multiple police stations. Damage is 10s of billions of dollars. Dozens killed, including more than a dozen police. (As far as I know, no protestors are killed by police.)
3. Portland, OR is laid siege every night for months on end. "Protestors" continually try to burn down the federal courthouse building, while people work inside. Video evidence of physical violence by "protestors" that claim to be Antifa; but their Antifa identification cards are not confirmed. A handful of innocent by-standards and counter-protestors are killed. (Again, as far as I know, no "protestors" are killed by police.) Many city/state/federal agents are harmed by protestors, but none killed that I recall.
4. "Protestors" take over Seattle police station and surrounding area; declaring an Autonomous zone for 24 days. A handful of people are killed by lack of police within the area due to the takeover. None killed by police. Damage estimate range, but certainly in the 100s of millions.
According to ENB and the progressive trolls here on the comment board:
#1 is the worst attack on our country's democracy EVAH!!! Worse than Pearl Harbor, 9/11 or any of the progressive attacks on the capital building in it's history; including actual gun fire inside the capital building or actual bombings within the capital building. J6 was scary! A dark day in our nation's history. It was treason, sedition, a coup and an insurrection ALL rolled up into one!
#2 is the hallmark of democracy. Questioning any negative actions by mostly peaceful protestors makes you a racist bigot. And let's be honest, it sure was funny watching Trump get scared when those peace loving protestors attacked the White House!
#3 was blamed on Antifa, but President Poppy Pants tells us that Antifa is just an idea. As such, it must be the Proud Boys and/or other far right, white nationalists that are responsible. Which makes sense; Portland is one of the whitest cities in America. And did you see those federal agents arresting people on the street!?! Then subsequently letting them go, unharmed. Literally, Nazi Germany right there!
#4 was another mostly peaceful protest where far right, white nationalist did all the real damage while peace loving progressives just wanted to experiment with de-funding the police. Who could have know that removing all the police from a downtown area would have cause chaos to ensue?
Let's just stick to the facts Jason and you can play what-aboutism with your little MAGA friends.
The Capital riot was on the nation's capital when in session with an important congressional function underway, all of which the rioters sought to stop. They were there because the President asked to go there and "fight like hell" while telling them Mike Pence could make their dreams come true. It is also now evident that Trump was told by everyone who he should have trusted that he lost the election and there was no significant fraud. So not only was he trying to overturn a presidential election which had never happened before in the oldest democracy in the world, but he did it knowing he lost the election.
Let me know when you find a "riot" of similar importance and consequence to our nation's future as a democracy.
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"...(I did read a report by NPR saying 30 million in damage. Doubtful, but we'll use that for comparison to other scenarios.)..."
Pub-Sec union labor.
Here with popcorn and a giant diet coke to watch y'all try to justify Trump's coup attempt and blame everything going on right now on Biden with swiss cheese style arguments.
One more TDS-Addled lefty shit pile accounted for.
Thank you ENB for such a delightful serving of schadenfreude.