Don't Call Child Services on Families Who Take Their Kids to Drag Shows
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis thinks drag shows represent "child endangerment."

On Wednesday, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) criticized a "family friendly" drag show held at a gay bar in Dallas, Texas, and suggested that parents in attendance should be investigated by the authorities.
"That is totally inappropriate," said DeSantis. "That is not something children should be exposed to. And so, we probably, we may have the ability to deal with something like that if something like that happens."
The governor noted that Florida has laws against child endangerment, and suggested that kids at drag shows could be a matter for child protective services to investigate.
"We have child protective statutes on the books," said DeSantis. "We have laws against child endangerment."
Whether or not your idea of a great family outing is mimosas and chicken nuggets at a bar featuring a sign that says, "it's not going to lick itself" (surely they're talking about inflation?), what DeSantis seems to be considering is something that should disturb all parents.
Why? Because parental decision are always subjected to extreme scrutiny by the public: How dare she not breastfeed? He put a cookie in his son's lunch? Who bought that kid an accordion?
Parents are constantly judged by almost everyone else, which is why investigations should be triggered only when parents are putting their kids in obvious, serious, and likely danger—not just when they're being foolish, goofy, pushy, lazy, self-absorbed, or dumb. That includes most of us, at one time or another.
What's more, weaponizing CPS against someone you dislike is already a huge problem. We don't need the governor encouraging more of this. According to childwelfare.gov: "Most States maintain toll-free telephone numbers for receiving reports of abuse or neglect. Reports may be made anonymously to most of these reporting numbers." That means jilted boyfriends, angry ex-wives, and vindictive neighbors can—and sometimes do—use CPS as their personal SWAT team.
This affects thousands of families every year. In my own state of New York, a recent study found that "seven percent of the roughly 150,000 reports to the Statewide Central Register each year are made by anonymous or unknown sources. These anonymous reports are 10 times less likely to be found credible."
Those calls add up to a lot of wasted time and money, and are awful for the families involved. Being subjected to a child welfare investigation is "terrifying," says my colleague Diane Redleaf, a longtime civil rights and family advocate.
"It gives a sense of shame," says Redleaf. "It changes your judgements about what you can and cannot do."
Kids old enough to realize that something is going on fear they could be taken from their parents. Their parents fear how easily that could happen. Even if all charges are ultimately dropped, an investigation can tear a family apart.
There's almost nothing more harmful you can do to a family than initiate a child abuse investigation. Unless you suspect actual, serious abuse is going on—not just an outing at a gay bar with a drag show—keep the cops out of other families' business.
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Don't Call Child Services on Families Who Take Their Kids to Drag Shows
I agree. Go administer the beatings yourself. Government never gets it right.
Shun them and their kids.
No. Only beat the parents. The kids had no choice in the matter.
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That’s called assault so…
the reason dot com comments section is full of violent shitheads like Nemo Aequalis. almost like Libertarianism itself is an ideology for violent shitheads or something
Go vote for Demofascists, fuckwit.
It would be battery, fuckwit.
Don't Call Child Services on Families Who Take Their Kids to Drag Shows
Otherwise people will think you care about your child's healthy development.
Off to a good Reason start
The Commenter's Latin is deficient, and the Author's wit is diseased as the taste of those who bring children to adult occasions
"A family friendly drag show at a gay bar" doesn't sound benign to me. Doesn't need to be held at church, although that would definitely be a far better family friendly venue relatively speaking. And yes, I say that with the full understanding there are pedophiles in church, I didn't say churches were a de facto safe place as they should be, just better than a bar, gay or otherwise.
You think pedophiles are likely to go around looking for victims in bars?
Yes. That's why they are inviting children to the bars now.
Equating putting a cookie in your kid's lunch with taking him/her to a drag queen show—what a weird take. Not up to Reason's standards—either the publication nor "Reason" itself.
Oh fuck off. It was clearly presented as an example of the stupid things parents hear from others judging them, along with several other examples. As such it was an effective rhetorical tactic showing a progression of arbitrary and unwarranted inputs from busybodies and Karens to, in this case, these "family-friendly drag shows".
HOWEVER, The "progression" is itself arbitrary, as each "unwarranted criticism" must be taken by itself. And I'm not so sure that this "kiddie drag" crap isn't part of another progression: The grooming, promoting, and recruiting campaign against natural human gender/sex. It goes WAAAY beyond "tolerance" and "allowing others to live their best lives". The people who deliberately subject their kids to this shit, as an especially ugly and selfish example of "virtuebating", are pretty damned awful.
Hard not to just go with the disgust reflex and call it in immediately.
It seems our efforts to take over the LP from the woke didn't extend to Reason writers.
While I agree in principle that we shouldn't have the government interfering in parenting, this is just a bad take a time where the government under Democrats is purposefully grooming children into degenerates under the assumption that degenerates will statistically vote Democrat. It's probably not a wrong assumption, though.
Too many people will push their principles aside to (a) side with DeSantis, or (b) stick it to woke parents.
Never call CPS. If you see abuse in progress, call 9-1-1 and intervene directly. If what you see doesn't warrant calling 9-1-1 or direct personal intervention, then it's none of your business. Don't just go home and call CPS either. Just MYOB.
Exactly, this is not the place for government to get involved.
DeSantis was doing fine before with how he ran Florida through the Covid craziness. He should be resisting the urge to meet every crazy, cooked up situation with a government solution. He is playing right into these peoples' hands.
He is playing right into these peoples' hands.
You're assuming these people have some sort of upper hand after you've watched them consistently lie their asses off. That, like any of these other stories, people won't, two weeks or a month from now, look back at (e.g.) the pizzeria that refused to cater gay (or any) weddings and see who were honest actors just trying to make a living and who were dishonest trolls.
Absolutely, DeSantis may be on video somewhere right now enjoying a good strip show himself but, absent that, he's not the one trying to parade under the #believeallwomen, #sexualizeallgirls, #womenwithpenisesarewomen, #paywomenequally, #diversifycorporateboards, etc., etc., etc. banners simultaneously.
People keep saying that DeSantis is screwing up, and somehow he's always 2-3 steps ahead of them.
The fact is, it's going to be very hard to hit back on DeSantis based on "he wants to stop parents from exposing their kids to sexually themed drag bars" because most people think it's horrific "parenting" behavior.
The problem is that the drag show in question was not sexually themed. It was basically just a fashion show. I looked at the footage and it was just somebody walking around doing a silly dance wearing an outfit that exposed less skin than most swimsuits that a kid would see whenever they go on the beach.
Even if it was sexually themed, I don't see how that is worse than letting a kid see a PG-13 or R-rated movie, which is something many parents choose to do.
This is a lie, you are either biased, or only viewed one video and drew a faulty conclusion, thus ignorant. There is a difference between allowing one's child to go to a r-rated movie and taking one's child to a strip club, whether or not the performers remain clothed. As for sexually themed, you are simply seeing what you want to see, and there is a high likelihood that you will not change your opinion -in-group bias overrides facts.
Drag shows are sexual, foul, rude, obscene, morally depraved and offensive to gay men and lesbian women on purpose. They purposely insult their audience to get a rise out of them. Then there is their attire and, sadly, their gesticulating with hands, hips, mouth, etc. They are quite revolting. There was a higher end steak house restaurant in North Miami Beach owned by a drag queen businessman. He knew his audience and he also needed our patronage. It wasnt nearly as sexual as drag shows in gay bars, and the food was actually decent. The waiters were also drag performers and they relied on tips, hence customer service was important. But even then, the restaurant had a good run and closed.
I'm sorry you have to witness someone who has the balls to fight back rather than just bitching while they submit.
What is your threshold? If they spout your line 75% of the time, are they your best bud, or does it have to be 90%?
If you can't admit when your best bud screws up, what kind of a friend are you?
What a weird comment
Nope it is pretty much right on. That you can't see it is maybe a clue to spend some time in introspection.
Who's my "best bud" here?
DeSantis?
Overt?
So where is the line, hitting kids, beating then, perhaps movie time with the neighborhood pedo? Is anything fine as long as parents do it or is it just possible that there are harms that parents can do, intentional or otherwise, that should be guarded against?
I agree. The headline should have stopped after "Don't Call Child Services." That bureau is a cesspit.
I like your comment one whose name I cannot say. But I think DeSantis is just threatening those pushing the transgender child sexualization agenda, so they think twice before exposing children to this before parents want it and without their knowledge or permission. He hasn't called CPS on anyone yet. It's a way to tone them down and reduce the harm they're doing to children and their parents.
He's making empty threats. But it is a threat that violates libertarian principles. I can understand people who support him nevertheless. But at least point out that he is departing controlled flight
Why?
What are you hoping to accomplish?
Very good comment.
DeSantis is working his audience. He is marketing himself and growing his market share. He is going to go far in politics.
Yep. Like when you see Sandusky bee effing 11 year old. McQueary, you are in an athletic locker room. Don't call your daddy and ask what you should do. Pick up a baseball bat and expose the diseased brains to the atmosphere. THEN call 911. No jury would convict you.
While I agree with you, this is a weird hill to die on.
Conservative Christian Republicans want to impose their religious intolerances on Americans, just as left wing Democrats want to impose their socialist, environmental and woke intolerances on all Americans.
Seems like only several members of Congress represent the two thirds of Americans who want freedom, and who don't trust the left or right wing extremists.
Yes, because showing your kids porn and taking them to the gay strippers wasn't illegal before those awful Conservative Christian Republicans came along.
Pretty soon the fundies will make it illegal to fuck your own kid. Your very own kid!
There is this strong desired by many Libertarians to try to do whatever they can to "both sides" the argument to show that they really aren't Republicans. Fact of the matter is, while we aren't Republicans, the Democrats are basically infinitely worse.
Conservative Christian Republicans want to impose their religious intolerances on Americans, just as left wing Democrats want to impose their
socialist, environmental and wokereligious intolerances on all Americans.FIFY
I see what you did there.
You got that 100%
Your kids deserver to be raped
Flagged. You’re a special kind of sick person. Enjoy the ban hammer
LOL
Fuck off, pedo.
You're an immature social media-produced cretin, 'Flag' yourself, & take the 'banhammer' and sodomize yourself w/ it. And, fuck off back to whatever hivemind shithole you came from.
You don’t have to be Christian to be against taking kids to drag shows in a BAR with a neon sign on the wall that says “It ain’t gonna lick itself”.
Fuck outta here with that religious bigotry.
I'm not a Christian, as a disclaimer. At the same time, I do have more sympathy for Christian values than other religious values, and am definitely tired of how religious bigotry against Christians is socially acceptable, but if you ever say "maybe Shariah law ain't great" in public, you are suddenly a racist.
Yeah those darn Conservative Christian Republicans, always tossing people off of roofs for being gay. Making their wifeslaves dress from head to toe in a black gunnysack in 110 degree weather. Prohibiting women from going to school and driving. Worshiping pedophile "prophets". Beheading anyone who transgresses their holy book in the public square. Idiots.
do you realize that florida law already prohibits bringing children to these shows?
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0847/0847.html
But note that none of the members of Congress who actually support freedom are Democrats.
DeSantis is a needier media junkie than Trump. If you want the head of your government - state or federal in your face every fucking day, they're for you. You get DeSantis in your business every day too.
Froth and rage, shillbot.
Gee, "DeSantis is worse than Trump" And he has not even won a nomination for President yet.
Does that mean that President Trump has been rehabilitated somewhat? Because I remember people saying that you could not be worse than Trump. Woot Trump 2024!
It’s because of democrats and their grooming that anyone even needs to consider such a law. Your kind have no decency or morality whatsoever.
Nice cope. So far DeSantis is the only one with the stones to directly take on leftist depravity.
Yea, let's complain that the guy actually stopping communism and pointless Branch Covidian hysteria, and the guy who actually supports the first and second amendments (for people, fuck Disney) is too media happy. I bet you loved Cuomo, Whitmer, and Newsome, though.
The governor noted that Florida has laws against child endangerment, and suggested that kids at drag shows could be a matter for child protective services to investigate.
I say the same thing about people expose their kids to circus clowns.
What about regular burlesque shows (because we all know that there is no nudity there because g-string/pasties) at bars? Pretty sure if you want it to be ok at one you should, on principle, be ok with it at the other.
probably a good thing he's exposing himself.
What could possibly be worse than Ron DeSantis?
"The above is a family-friendly drag show." - Reason Magazine
Once again, you people think Ron DeSantis is bad and that drag queens are OK but fail to realize that people will set all of that aside and none of it matters when you tell them their eyes are lying to them and they should believe you instead. Fuck you for making Ron DeSantis look like scrupulous, honest human being.
They don’t really have a choice. They know that people are going to be thinking about how we came to this, and a few more incidents like this are going to have the public demanding everyone gets back in the closet.
They aren’t about to do anything that would call LGBTXYZ rights into question, so they’re stuck with having to brazen it out and pretend this is perfectly normal. Whatsamatta you? Are you some kind of a prude or something?
IDK, I think there is a choice, many actually, and they're choosing the bad one(s). Just like with the police violence and wrongful conviction cases, they can't stick to the obvious moral cases and capitalize on that, or admit all the facts on their specific edge cases, they've got to keep going until they've gone full retard. It's unclear whether it's cultural or occupational group think or just laziness or what, but you think it would be dead simple to find a humble cross dresser working at a community center, trying to make thing better rather than literally pointing to clown shows.
Whatsamatta you Latin ?
Nemo Aequalis , equals κανείς ίσο με
Sorry for the lack of inflection , but Reason can't handle Attic.
Exactly. Trump and DeSantis are popular because they punch back against the gaslighting and bullshit the media is feeding them. The most persuasive thing you can do is call it like it is, before then proceeding from a position of first principles.
I'm still going to question why 1) drag queens want to put on a dance show specifically for children, and 2)a gay bar would want to host an event by drag queens aimed at kids. It feels very much like trying to force an awkward situation. But if parents think this is the sort of family friendly environment for their kids, whatever.
It's clear gaslighting.
Just like with regulations restricting the 2A, *existing* laws against bars and strip clubs within 100 yds. of an elementary school oppress or deprive law abiding citizens of their rights. Reason is distinctly not arguing against these laws, just when the same laws would apply to trannies equally.
I was on the side of the queens when it was library story hour since the venue puts limits on the sexualization the event can emphasize, but there is nothing appropriate or limiting about this.
Please, name a better Governor in America right now. I know it's a low bar, but can you find one? Maybe Christi Noam?
Pointing and laughing and calling them names works pretty well.
Yeah! Who did buy that kid an accordion?!
https://www.weirdal.com
Die, groomer (or worse)
"Don't Call Child Services on Families Who Take Their Kids to Drag Shows"
Exactly, call the police instead. That wasn't Dame Edna or Uncle Milty stuff they were taking them to, it was highly sexualized.
Same thing should apply to parents gay or straight who take their kids to an alphabet sex cult parade too. There's nothing educational about a naked guy in a dog collar dry humping a leathered clergyman.
There's a reason society created laws against sexualizing minors. Because some parents can't be trusted.
I rode in the back of pickup trucks -15 miles each way when I was a kid. I rode on the fender or hung off the 3 point hitch on tractors going around the farm . The realization was hang on or die with my father driving. There was often a deadly implement being pulled behind us. A girl who rode our school bus did die from being run over while working on her farm.
My~3 year old son used to go out with my father to the farm to "feed the cows". One day I went with them. My son sat between my dad's legs and the tractor gear shift. My dad operated the steering wheel, loader controls, clutches, shifter all while holding onto my son. I realized that my wife would never visit the farm because seeing this would trigger an end to all the grandpa activities. And grandpa was my son's favorite.
Back then (70's) we had it great. Now, we are too protective of our kids. Doing those things would get you sent to CPS today e suppose.
But I do remember laughing at Flip Wilson because, gee, he was a man dressed as a women and being funny.
If someone wants to take their kids to this crap, then let them, but dont forget to call them out as morons.
"I rode in the back of pickup trucks -15 miles each way when I was a kid."
Did you ride a stripper pole too? Practically the same thing.
"But I do remember laughing at Flip Wilson because, gee, he was a man dressed as a women and being funny."
Remember when dad helped you stuff a fist full of ones in Flip Wilson's G-string after he ground his crotch in your face? Good times.
"A little child molestation never hurt anybody..."
Did a lot of that with my kids rbike, including the back of the pick-up and tractor rides. Apparently the suburban pukes here find that offensive.
Did Gramps use KY or dry ?
Now do taking your kids to the gun range.
run in a zig-zag!
If you take your kid to a gun range to watch a man dressed as a woman waive his gun around, don't be surprised if someone calls the police.
I took the kids to the local arsenal for armed forces day. After watching the tank demo M60 Driving over a car, 50 caliber blanks from the M1 tank auxiliary machine gun we went to the gun range. My 6 year old daughter was given a full auto M16 loaded with blanks. She unloaded a full clip. My 8 year old son did not shoot though.The guys at the range would rather we unload the clips by firing the gun instead of manually unloading the blanks.
Pretty sure Tucille has done that article.
It's easiest to impart gun safety on children. Because I was exposed to firearms as a child, I am still uncomfortable looking down the barrel of my gun with the breach open and clearly unloaded. It's a little annoying when I have to clean it, but it's still for the best.
Everyone should know how to handle firearms because it can be the difference between life and death. No one needs to know how to stuff dollar bills in a tranny's g-string to survive. And if they don't learn that "skill" until they are an adult, it's probably not going to get anyone accidentally killed.
investigations should be triggered only when parents are putting their kids in obvious, serious, and likely danger
Like using them as pawns in mostly-peaceful demonstrations?
Got to put them in front of the mothers, who are standing in front of the black-clad antifa members.
It is interesting how the people who value "equality" more than anything else, including things like "competence" and "responsibility" and "freedom", are the first to put women and children on the front lines of combat.
For heaven's sake don't call CPS or the Police on people taking their kids to these shows. They have more important things to do, like investigating me when I take my Great Niece and three of her friends for pizza and video games. Although I will admit that the look on their faces when the Officer who responded called me by name and one of my Great Niece's friends runs over to him yelling "Hi Daddy!" was priceless.
"They have more important things to do, like investigating me when I take my Great Niece and three of her friends for pizza and video games."
An adult male alone with minors must be a pedo child molester.
That seems to be the case these days. You're not even allowed to eat lunch and read a book at the Park anymore, because, some Karen thinks you are there to kidnap their precious child.
You aren't a protected minority, so it's ok.
"Transphobic Bureaucrat Shoots Red Cross Employee" - Reason Magazine
He got Qualified Immunity!
So, parental judgement is everything. I grew up with a neighbor who drank with her kids, about 4 to 9 years old, and got them drunk in the process. That's OK, I guess.
Can we take them to strip clubs? Gay bars? Share a doobie?
There are some things we don't give parents free rein to do to their kids.
Except when parental judgement is that teaching race essentialism, collective guilt, and kindergarten sex positions is inappropriate curriculum in public elementary schools.
Reason finds that to be super objectionable censorship and a threat to liberty...
MiCauc needs its own magazine.
You just mentioned a whole long list of things these parents didn’t do, with gay bar being the only one they did do.
Ok kids. Tomorrow we're going to learn how to tie a special kind of knot at the family friendly klan meeting!
It's 2022, they've updated the meeting moniker to the anti-racist hang-out session. Same people, same style new branding.
Same political party.
It shouldn't be illegal.
That's a pretty damned low standard for what is acceptable behavior. Even Lysander Spooner had the sense to recognize that vices, while not crimes, were still sins. Sure, don't turn people in to CPS for doing this. That doesn't mean the parents doing this aren't utter creeps who should be shunned from polite society.
"It gives a sense of shame," says Redleaf. "It changes your judgements about what you can and cannot do."
Well, if you're taking your children to a drag show, maybe you should be ashamed of yourself. They're children. A decent person respects they deserve some time of relative innocence.
Yet her blog post was a discussion of whether it should be legal…
Well, if you're taking your children to a drag show, maybe you should be ashamed of yourself.
And let's be clear, thinking you're special because you're taking them to a drag show makes you a special kind of degenerate. Strippers taking their kids to work are bad but they generally acknowledge things are bad and are making the best of the bad situation. Dads taking their kids to strip clubs aren't going to win father of the year and they know it. You taking your kids to a drag show because you think you're doing them a favor by expanding their horizons or broadening their social palate and teaching them to hand money to people who want to take advantage of them and you, you're a special kind of fucked up evil.
Don't they already have laws keeping minors out of bars? They have in every state I've lived in.
Some states do, others do not.
Not as simple as you suggest. While all 50 states have laws barring unaccompanied minors from bars. my understanding is that in most states it is legal for a parent/legal guardian to take minors into a bar.
Some states it's only bars that serve food.
florida does already have laws against this:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899/0847/0847.html
I'm pretty sure there's nothing in Ohio until after 9PM preventing a minor from entering a bar. We used to go to the local bar for a pizza after elementary school. Guy that owned it was a grouchy old bastard, but still to this day one of my favorite people to sit down and listen to stories. He sadly passed away a few years ago.
I see that check from NAMBLA cleared.
That's the libertarian spirit. Keep trying to tell me what to do.
Fuck off, you fucking social know-it-alls.
I said it before. I'll say it again. Today, it's drag shows. Tomorrow, it's church.
Slippery slope in action, there's nothing gayer than church
Not at all weird that you waited until after 2020 say that.
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean or imply.
So you missed the whole part where the government tried to criminalize going to church because of the coof?
As a nationally-known defense expert who specializes in consulting/testifying in unfounded/false child abuse cases, it is disturbing and perhaps unconscionable that Florida's Governor would encourage DCF's intervention In Loco Parentis.
Yea, THAT'S the disturbing aspect of this situation.
Well, since you specialize in unfounded/false cases, your expertise doesn't apply here.
What could possibly be wrong with a fair and impartial investigation by a local/state government agency?
If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.
Hey, Winston! You got a minute?
"What could possibly be wrong with a fair and impartial investigation by a local/state government agency?"
The fact that in reality there would be nothing fair or impartial about it?
I would certainly never call CPS on these people. Still, I consider it bad judgment to take a child younger than 13 to a drag show. Those wouldn't be the families I would want my kids socializing with.
Yea, this is just a bizarre hill to die on when we have so many tangible encroachments on actual freedoms that matter. Got to stand up for the NAMBLA crowd.
Pro tip: Drag shows are inherently sexual. They are no place for kids.
In my early teens, I could usually get served on the sly in Wisconsin bars when I was with my dad. It was the 80s, though. Not as commie as it is today.
Is taking you kid to a strip bar reportable?
Reason is getting very very close to promoting pedos and pederastry. There are trans "activists" pushing mainstreaming blocking puberty and engaging in relationships with children. It is very sick and nothing to do with so called "Gay rights."
If a parent is raping their kid, it is their neighbor's business to stop it.
>Is taking you kid to a strip bar reportable?
The bar in this article was not a strip bar, there was no nudity involved, so that is irrelevant. A whole bunch of commenters here decided to lie and say it was a strip show for some reason. It is similar to how every time Reason publishes an article about trans-friendly health care for minors, a whole bunch of commenters lie and say that genital reconstructive surgery is being performed on minors, even though that step is always delayed until adulthood.
Bigots just lie, lie, and lie some more. You can't take anything they say seriously. Every time I read the comments to a Reason article about trans issues I get reminded that the world is full of bigoted clowns who just open their mouths, say whatever nonsense will make them the angriest, and then get furiously angry when you point out that they're full of it.
>There are trans "activists" pushing mainstreaming blocking puberty
Blocking puberty has nothing to do with sex or pedophilia. Blocking puberty is done for the purpose of preventing a trans child from developing physical characteristics that they don't want to. It is not permanently blocked, it is just delayed until they can take hormones that will cause their body to undergo the puberty of their preferred gender. Often that second step is delayed in order to give them time to think about it and make sure they really want to do it, but they eventually undergo some kind of puberty.
>and engaging in relationships with children
No there aren't. You either made that up, or uncritically repeated someone who did. There is no evidence that trans people are any more likely to molest children than the average person is.
>Reason is getting very very close to promoting pedos and pederastry.
We live in the most anti-pedophilia society to ever exist in the history of the Earth. The idea that there is any mainstream organization that promotes it is too ridiculous to take seriously. What is actually going on is that some bigots have decided to slander their opponents by calling them pedophiles, and people believe them for some unfathomable reason.
You state these things about puberty blockers as if they were the gospel truth, when many experts disagree. Is it really rational to believe that intentionally blocking puberty while the body continues to grow and the brain matures cannot be harmful long run, at least in some cases? My view is that if it indeed is harmless, it would be mainstream pediatrics, and not fringe medicine, which is where it appears to be.
Experts who disagree can't actually point to any evidence that harms are statistically a large enough issue to exceed the well known harms of trying to shame and bully kids out of it.
And it is mainstream pediatrics. Refusing a treatment course that, after extensive evaluation and social transition, may lead to them, is the fringe that goes against mainstream recommendations.
Yet give a football player some steroids and OMG! the horror you’re inflicting on that child! But block those hormones, meh, all good.
"lie and say that genital reconstructive surgery is being performed on minors, even though that step is always delayed until adulthood."
Pot calling the kettle black here. They're groomed for this surgery from a young age. Do you know why? Because if you interfere with puberty to the extent that your genitals do not develop normally, surgeons are quickly realizing they don't have enough material to work with.
You know that freak show Jazz Jennings? He almost couldn't get his dick turned inside out because the meds gave him microdick.
Minors don't have enough physical development to support such surgeries. That's why they're delayed. It's not done out of any sense of conscience or morality. Fucking lying piece of shit.
Also, stop lying about puberty blockers. Hormones are not like a water faucet. You can't interfere with your body's natural growth and then expect it to restart suddenly.
DNA doesn't give a shit about your warped, neo-Marxist ideology. This isn't architecture where you can redraw the design or demolish and rebuild. Human beings stop growing after a point. You can't just flood their bodies with hormones and make up for lost time. This is why we don't give short people HGH willy nilly. It's quite literally carcinogenic; do some research. Your "everyone is a transphobic bigot" argument doesn't hold water for the same types of hormones used for non-trans purposes.
There's some serious blood on your hands. Mark my words, when you see elevated rates of childhood and young adulthood cancer in trans individuals and their parents wonder why their 25 y/o is dying, heads will roll when they realize doctors were so afraid of offending their trans religion that they prescribed known carcinogens.
Ever wonder why you don't meet old trans people?
Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria.
Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.
It's also not known whether hormone blockers affect the development of the teenage brain or children's bones. Side effects may also include hot flushes, fatigue and mood alterations.
From the age of 16, teenagers who've been on hormone blockers for at least 12 months may be given cross-sex hormones, also known as gender-affirming hormones.
These hormones cause some irreversible changes, such as:
breast development (caused by taking oestrogen)
breaking or deepening of the voice (caused by taking testosterone)
Long-term cross-sex hormone treatment may cause temporary or even permanent infertility.
However, as cross-sex hormones affect people differently, they should not be considered a reliable form of contraception.
There is some uncertainty about the risks of long-term cross-sex hormone treatment.
The NHS in England is currently reviewing the evidence on the use of cross-sex hormones by the Gender Identity Development Service.’
Yea, but if you point out the actual science to one of these bizarre degenerate trans-cultists they just call you a bigot. It couldn't be that you just don't want to see a bunch of kids die of cancer or be permanently sterile.
It's becoming pretty clear that for 60-70 years the goal of the left has been sterilizing as much of humanity as possible.
Kids were stuffing money into g-strings of trannies who danced in front of a neon sign that said "it won't lick itself". The only liar here is you.
It's funny how the article repeatedly states that this was a nonsexual, family friendly drag show, but everyone in the comments is going on and on about how it's wrong because children shouldn't be exposed to sexual material. Learn to read, people!
There is nothing inherently sexual about drag. Putting on a dress and walking around on a runway does not go from "normal" to "sexual" when a man is doing it.
Why not?
Dresses are, in our society, designed to flatter the female form. I would think that a male dressed in such an outfit would be innately sexual for that reason.
Dear lord what are you 9,000 years old?
The article does not 'repeatedly state that this was a family friendly drag show.' The words family friendly are in quotes. Perhaps you should learn to read, and to recognize that your biases do not extend to reality. Drag shows, drag clubs, and drag bars are inherently sexual, be they campy or raunchy. Your risible statement above about the lack of nudity is a typical activist/in-group strawman. Nudity is not necessary for suggestive, sexuality in poses or performances. If you were capable of accepting information that did not fit w/ your worldview, you would have noticed that some of the performances at the 'family friendly' event were nothing but sexual in nature. You are a single-minded shill, and not a very bright activist. We are used to lackwits like you surfacing when your favored cause is 'threatened.'
Yeah... I have seen clips. Not "non-sexual" at all.
Actually, there were clips that were reminiscent of the worst of the kid beauty pagent world, where you put a 5 year old girl in grown up makeup and dress, and have them posing and moving in an adult manner.
The only difference was that it was a 9 year old boy in an inappropriately adult women's outfit acting inappropriately adult (and womanly). Still not the right message to send to kids, if you ask me. And definitely not the right message *about* kids.
Okay, groomer.
it's not sexual? they had a sign saying "it's not gonna lick itself". you are in serious denial
Sticking dollar bills in g-strings is sexual, fucking idiot.
"It's for the children!"....................?? /s
Who's 'children'?? Apparently everyone's kids are DeSanti's kids...
And they will behave else have GUNS(Gov-Guns) poked in their faces.
Will the 'love' of poking Gov-Guns at 'those' people ever end????
If you want a governor - or president - who will get in your shit and on your TV, DeSantis is your guy. It's his way or he'll sic the legislature on you.
Weird, he didn't have people arrested for opening businesses or not wearing masks in restaurants...
The only freedom people like the above care about is the freedom to be a degenerate sex clown. They are oddly silent when Psycho It Clown Kathy Hochul bans guns and body armor (lol @trying to ban body armor).
I'll just set my timer for when DeSantis's sordid history of fucking rent boys inevitably comes out. That man is gayer than a pony in Pier 1. The more vociferously a Republican screeches hysterically about gay shit, the gayer he is. It's the law.
Not that I want children to be going to drag shows. If a drag queen wants to read a book at a local library, fantastic. But I got dragged out of my first drag show by the pigs for being underaged, so they should have to wait their turn too.
Funny how gay men always attack they're perceived enemies as being gay. Isn't that a good thing?
Show me a single time DeSantis said anything against gay people. You leftist assclowns are the non-gendered Monarchs of gaslighting.
When I met my wife forty years ago, she had a lot of gay friends. Turns out gay men really like women except for those yucky vaginas. Go figure. Anyway I ended up with her and her friends at some gay bars with drag shows. I didn't get the appeal but to be honest I didn't see it as explicitly sexual. Gaudy, flamboyant and silly but all in good fun. I don't know if gay men are turned on by these shows and I don't know why they would be considering the fact that they are attracted to men. Seems like a cultural tradition more than anything else. Not my culture but whatever. Back then I probably wouldn't be too wound up about a kid seeing a drag show. Guy in a ridiculous costume parading around probably won't turn a boy gay. However the culture seems to be intent on sexualizing children way before the natural course of events. Kids have a universe of shit to figure out and sex is something they figure out when they are ready to. Leave them alone. I don't see any good reason to put this shit in their faces. If they want it they'll go find it when they're ready. It's becoming increasingly obvious that the trans movement is actively attempting to recruit children into their ranks. And they are succeeding. And Reason has decided that there's something "libertarian" about it and we should all actively support them. Sorry. No.
Having said all of that, I think the author here did a good job of making the case that we don't need to involve DCFS if parents make decisions we don't agree with. That's the libertarian position.
Drag shows 4 decades ago didn't involve droppin' dat ass to the flo', nor was this move big thirty years ago. Twenty years and on, and as seen in on of the videos from this particular clusterfuck, this wholesome, family friendly and entirely non-sexual totally not a stripper move is something one can be proud to have the very young experience. Combined with the 'not going to lick it self' and the other lick oriented 'art' at this place, it was a smorgasbord of teaching moments for family oral sex practices. This aside, I've been in some drag places that were raunchy as fuck, and some that were like you describe. I had a similar take, but w/ women, they seemed to like drag queens. No clue why, but more than a few of my buddies were seriously into drag clubs. To each their own, as long as they don't start telling people what is right, and making law/policy based on thinking one group is ethically superior due to in-group bias.
Yea, don't call CPS, whatever. But this is about a specific event where 6 year olds were encouraged to stuff money into the g-strings of trannies dancing 99% naked in front of a sign that said "it won't lick itself". Saying "it's not sexual" goes beyond even gaslighting. Your personal experiences are not what we are talking about here.
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Seems fair enough to me. After all, Merrick Garfinkle had the temerity to sic the FBI on parents who had the gall to question their school boards decisions concerning the teaching of CRT and radical gender politics, it's just as fair to sic another government agency on those who expose their children to degeneracy and perversion in drag queen shows.
What are they going to say when there is a mass shooting at one of those?
The gay community needs to speak up about this. No one is going to listen to a bunch of straight white people complaining about kids watching drag queens shake their ass in a bar. They were against NAMBLA showing up at their parades, they kicked those guys out, because they detested being associated with proud child molesters.
Dave Rubin has complained several times.
I am on your side, Lenore.
This is the role of the parents.
The original point, "don't push this stuff on our kids" was a good point. There was definitely a push to get intrusive presentations in front of the general public at very young ages.
But "don't allow other people to educate their children on this"?
No.
Not your business.
If the theme was "Hey, 6 year old kid... wanna see what an erect penis feels like?", they might have a CPS case. But bawdy dress-up? Innapropriate? Well, that is my opinion. But criminal? Please.
I used to go to Fantasy Fest in Key West regularly. (Think gay mardigras) it was very adult. Lots of nudity. Inappropriate displays of sexuality, and just generally a good time.
Then it got corporate. The big alcohol companies showed up. Other sponsors got involved. And regular people started coming in droves. And bringing their kids. Little kids.
Wildly inappropriate. But it led to the taming and dumbing down of the festival. We quit going, so I cannot report the current state, but it was already a pale echo.
Keep adult spaces for adults, please. There is no need for everything to be appropriate for a 5 year old kid. Whether that is from the point of view of dragging your kid to drag shows, or requiring that everything be sage and appropriate for someone to do so.
Agree 100%. Bringing the kids is bad for everyone.
Well local communities can zone out strip and drag bars...that would pretty much solve the problem.
This fad will pass, limited only to a few families. Right now it's the trend. Not to say that treating people like circus freaks is a good thing, but it carries most people nowhere.
if you call, you will find out that children's aid will tell you to stop calling them over sexualizing children for mutilation. Children's Aid helps this sex slave pipeline now. Family law everywhere now explicitly protects government agents trying to sex change your child. These days your local "child protection service" is trying to find the perfect accessories for your local "married" same sex partners, you know, because DIE is our strength.
Dear Ms. Skenazy,
Re your position that taking tiny young children to a drag show is not child endangerment, I respectfully request your opinion on the large neon sign behind the twerking performers that read, "It Ain't Going to Lick Itself."
Again, respectfully, If I, a Prince George's County Public Schools, Maryland high school science teacher, were to have a poster on my classroom walls the had "It Ain't Going to Lick Itself" and a picture of my obese butt twerking and my face looking over my shoulders licking my lips, what would be your sincere evaluation of such a think in my classroom?
Thank you for your articles.
If parents DECIDE to take their kids to a drag show so be it - but implement drag shows at the school and making it part of the required curriculum as per California State Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) has suggested - OH, HELL NO!!
Interesting, pragmatic viewpoint. Yes, seriously, what is government going to do after it rescues some kid being molested by trannies? Put the kid in foster care, which is chock full of creepy abusers who literally profit from human warehousing? Yeah, great solution, Government! Ironically and hypocritically, the Courts still deem children to be "property," carved up as literal assets for divorcing parents. But trigger a campaign issue, and it's all, "Save da chilbren! Short of crimes that could also be committed against adult victims, Government should have no power to define "child abuse."
If you call CPS they'll come. for YOUR kids. You're clearly a hateful right wing bigot conspiring to abuse children.
Why would anyone think that CPS has avoided being woke?
The left/liberals have become as sleazy and degenerate as creepy Uncle Ernie. Whatever you do, do not allow your children to get near a liberal, especially a woke liberal.
These morons have no moral compass.None. Most of these liberal wokists are probably child molesters anyway.