New York's Body Armor Ban May Be Stupidest Gun Legislation Yet
Protective devices incapable of offensive use are now unavailable for legal purchase by New Yorkers.

It's usually best to not delve into politicians' motivations lest one end up stupider for the effort. Nowhere is that truer than in the bills signed Monday by New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) that, among other foolish restrictions, ban the acquisition of body armor by anybody outside of a few favored, government-controlled professions. These protective devices, incapable of offensive use unless thrown especially hard, are now unavailable for legal purchase by New Yorkers seeking even the most passive means of defending themselves and their loved ones.
"As in far too many other mass shootings, the gunman in Buffalo went into the store wearing a bulletproof vest so he would be safe while he slaughtered innocent victims," insisted Assemblyman Jonathan Jacobson. "Unless your profession puts you at risk of gun violence, there is no reason you need this kind of body armor. This bill will help keep bulletproof vests out of the hands of those who want to protect themselves from law enforcement or other security officers while harming others."
It's true that the mass-murderer at Tops supermarket in Buffalo wore body armor, as have several other criminals in recent years. The same factors that drive sales to the public at large, specifically the ability of armor to protect users from injury, make the product unavoidably attractive to people who intend harm.
"A veteran Marine and former police officer in both Wyoming and Iowa, Waldrop started his company to make body armor for his fellow law enforcement officers and servicemen and women," according to a January 2021 report from Iowa's WOI about RMA Armament Inc. "And until March of 2020, 80% of his sales were law enforcement and defense contracts. The rest he said was often to veterans or tactical gear enthusiasts. Those figures are now flipped."
Company CEO Blake Waldrop attributed soaring sales to economic uncertainty and social unrest. The public wants to protect itself against the criminals who are part of that social unrest, while criminals want to protect themselves against members of the public defending themselves and against police who might, on occasion, care to intervene in crimes. New York's new law would ban body armor sales on the grounds that armor plates are sometimes used by bad guys as well as the good ones. It's the same moral cooties theory of legislation that drives gun control laws, but this time applied to passive protective devices. At the risk of giving anybody ideas, the same arguments might well apply to the cars criminals drive or any first aid gear they might carry.
Until now, the only state with body armor restrictions beyond penalizing their use in crime was Connecticut, which requires that transactions take place in-person. "It is a class B misdemeanor, punishable by imprisonment for up to six months, a fine of up to $1,000, or both, to sell or deliver body armor unless the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the sale or delivery," reads that state's law, which makes exceptions for military and law enforcement personnel.
New York's new law goes further, making it a Class A misdemeanor if people "not being engaged or employed in an eligible profession…knowingly purchase or take possession of a body vest." As in Connecticut, the law exempts military and law-enforcement personnel and "such other professions designated by the Department of State."
Incidentally, New York and neighboring Connecticut both already have plenty of experience with performative and unenforceable laws seeking to restrict self-defense rights. When Connecticut in 2013 required the registration of military-looking semiautomatic rifles tagged as "assault weapons," compliance never got higher than about 15 percent. The next year, a similar law in New York scored about 5 percent compliance. It's obvious that many Americans aren't impressed by lawmakers and are unwilling to go along with their dictates.
Now New York government officials think they're going to deprive people of items that can't be used to hurt anybody, but which may protect their wearers against criminals and, yes, against cops good and bad. They want to prevent the public from purchasing protection even as stories continue to appear about the unwillingness and inability of police to act in Uvalde, Texas, and in many violent incidents before. Rather than rely on law enforcement, people take responsibility for their own safety by purchasing firearms and, unsurprisingly, body armor. Parents are eagerly buying protection for their kids.
"Parents are doing anything to keep their kids safe on the heels of another school mass shooting -- and that means an all-new run on bulletproof backpacks," reports TMZ. "Former Secret Service agent, Mike De Geus, is the founder and CEO of Leatherback Gear, and he says his company has seen an 800% spike in sales for their fortified knapsacks" after the Uvalde, Texas murders.
Note that there's absolutely nothing stopping New Yorkers from driving to Pennsylvania (or Connecticut, for that matter) and purchasing body armor. State residents might want to take advantage of that option, since criminals planning attacks are unlikely to be terribly observant of any inconvenient laws. Don't be surprised if New Yorkers worried about their safety once again refuse to comply with an astoundingly foolish law. (In fact, this law is so stupid that it appears to accidentally ban only soft armor that is effective against pistol rounds and not hard plates that work against rifle bullets.)*
Let's go back to Assemblyman Jacobson's justification for this new law. "This bill will help keep bulletproof vests out of the hands of those who want to protect themselves from law enforcement or other security officers while harming others," he said. That is, he wants to make it more difficult for people to avoid being shot, on the assumption that it will be good cops doing the shooting. But there are far more decent human beings concerned about their safety than there are bad people intending harm. It's unfortunate that those who intend harm are capable of using the same tools available to good people, but that's an inevitable byproduct of shared humanity. Decent people shouldn't be made collateral damage of anti-crime efforts.
"In response to the recent high-profile mass shootings, lots of legislators are hinting about restricting the sale of body armor to private citizens," writes former police officer and current tactical trainer Greg Ellifritz. "Obviously, that will do nothing to prevent an active killer attack but they feel pressed to 'do something.'"
Ellifritz's words introduce a helpful guide to body armor including his recommendations. I'm sure that nobody with brains and opinions worth considering would object if you make a purchase on behalf of a friend in New York.
*CLARIFICATION: This article has been updated to provide additional information about the type of armor banned by the New York legislation.
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The goal is to protect the government people with guns. AR15's are a good countermeasure to body armor. The high velocity, small diameter, metal jacketed bullet will pierce most body armor. I assume the legislators ask the police what to ban and they don't want AR15s and body armor which will defeat their authority.
Wasn't body armor that is capable of protecting against most centerfire rifle rounds already illegal for regular citizens?
That's always seemed insane to me. To make it illegal to use something that can protect you and which has no possibility of harming anyone else. Just so the government can always kill you if they really want to.
No. Anyone can own Level II and Level IV body armor (protective against centerfire rifles) in most states.
^that was intended to be Level III, not Level II.
Given the girth and enormity of most LEO, outrunning them half a block will likely cause an MI in them. They should consider carrying Aspirin and Nitroglycerin (oral/sublingual) in their "fanny" pack.
1. There is no such thing as a "bulletproof" vest.
2. Define body armor. Kevlar? Ceramic? AR500? (Are they going to outlaw th purchase of steel?)
3. People should not be allowed to make laws about things on which they are completely ignorant.
4. People should not be allowed to vote on things on which they are completely ignorant.
Who gets to decide what level of knowledge is necessary?
Easy. Simple fact-based quiz in the voting booth. Your score determines how your vote is weighted.
You really won't like how that ends. The politicians will write quizzes that their opposition can't pass, and/or which directly seek to influence the results of voting on the proposals given.
Literacy tests to vote have totes never been used to disenfranchise anyone. I bet they are wonderful!
A quick test and a little tax to cover the cost of it. What could go wrong?
I considered getting a Canadian firearms owner's license to do some competitive shooting years ago. The manual was so full of absolute bullshit and my buddy's attitude was "take the test, give them the answers they want". Easy to write a test that is so counterintuitive that you'd fail no matter how much actual knowledge you had.
easy, mentally retarded, low iq politicians can't pass laws (btw, this is most of them)
Completely ignorant...You are absolutely correct!
They actually have a definition that they referenced from the penal law which describes a "body vest" along the lines of: soft armor of at least 7 layers of kevlar material that will stop a .38 caliber. So, not even hard armor, which was what the Buffalo shooter was wearing, and the supposed reason behind this legislation. Geniuses, the lot of them.
"Unless your profession puts you at risk of gun violence, there is no reason you need this kind of body armor."
I got some news for you governor, this covers everyone stupid enough to go to New York.
Aren't these the same people who fear monger that kids going to school and grandmothers going grocery shopping are at risk of gun violence?
While I'll always disagree with them, I'd at least respect them a bit if their messaging was in any way consistent.
Perhaps if they rebranded vests as "body masks".
Sadly, they consider your profession as a good reason for body armor, but not your neighborhood.
"Oy! Ya got a license for those elbow pads?"
More like: "Glad ta see ya got knee pads. It'll make this next part a little easier on ya."
Back when I was in the building trades, we called those "Lewinskies" with a straight face. Just saying.
"New York's Body Armor Ban May Be Stupidest Gun Legislation Yet"
Give them a few more days - - - - - - - - - - - -
(and, oh by the way, that is not gun legislation)
They just voted to ban magazines over size 10 despite a rep telling them Klebold had 13 magazines of size 10 for Columbine. They don't care about reality.
The only thing they care about is keeping secret what they plan to do after the citizens are disarmed.
They very much do care about reality. The reality is that there are lots of deplorable type people who vote for the wrong party who own 11+ round magazines who have just been transformed into felons without any action taken on their part.
Someone asked me what the costs of ineffective legislation were a while back. I didn't respond as it had already gotten unpleasant in the thread.
But, this is an example. You're criminalizing people who have never and will never do bad things with that 11th round of ammo.
If you grandfather them in, they can't sell their stuff. Now that's a taking.
If you don't grandfather them in , to be compliant they can neither sell nor own their stuff. That's definitely a taking.
There are a million of these beyond criminalizing law abiding citizens, but just this criminalization aspect is pretty bad. Especially since the other side of the scale is pretty much no benefit.
But remember this: If the government's actions make the things you lose valueless, then the value of the taking is null, meaning there's nothing for you to recover :^)
New York Legislation is Stupid
Just lead with the facts, man.
What about chainmail bikinis? Is cosplay now a crime? Asking for a friend.
The smaller the armor the more it protects! Also need platforms or stilettos for best effect.
I think classifying bayonet lugs as assault weapon features was dumber. They had literally nothing to do with the lethality of weapons. One could argue that pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, adjustable stocks, etc made guns easier to use and thus more deadly for aimed attacks. But if that was your argument, bayonet lugs were actually detrimental to use, adding weight and complexity which increased the price, regardless of how little.
In comparison, body armor is much more rational, relatively speaking.
The Army has eliminated bayonet training, even for the infantry and no longer issues bayonets. The last bayonet charge by the US Army was during Korea. Bayonets are pretty useless (then again they never inflicted many casualties, being more psychological than effective).
if your close enough to stab them your close enough to shoot.
Not if you're out of ammo.
An e-tool or a tomahawk is a much better weapon in that situation. And actually takes less training to operate.
Exactly.
Bayonettes take practice. They're a way to keep the pointy part handy until you run out of ammo, but most of us could swing a machete or a tomahawk if we wanted to cause mayhem in close quarters, no practice needed.
Besides, precisely how much data are there showing any "mass shooter" causing casualties with bayonet attached to a rifle? I'm guessing no data, or if there are data they'll show "none" or statistically close to zero.
An edged weapon was pretty effective here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6Mlyc8nhyI
Frank "Banzai!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
I have a Mini-14. If I put the wood stock and foregrip on it, I have a hunting rifle. If I put the fiberglass stock and foregrip on it I have an assault rifle. I bought the fiberglass components because they are dimensionally stable in different temperatures and/or humidity. I like to distance target shoot.
It isn't about preventing "mass shootings", it's about perception that is being used to push a political agenda.
It's the same logic they used to illegalize switch blade knives.
They are just so scary looing.
just picked up a mini 14, well in 10 days anyway. it has the wood stock but i might change the stock to fiberglass. due to weight.
Hmm, a standard Mini-14 is not quite 10lbs, obviously more when loaded, I'm thinking you wouldn't have done well in Gunnery Sergeant Hartman's Platoon....
Unless you have some (ill-legal at Bushwood) selective fire components (there is a Select fire version of the Mini-14 none as the AC556( were mostly used in Prisons, you know, because the Prisoners have so many guns) )
it's not an "Assault Rifle"
no more than (Dr.) Rachel Levine is a woman (I'll admit he's is a Doctor) or (Dr.) Jill Biden is a doctor (I'll admit she's a woman)
Frank
From Douglas Welsh's book "The Civil War".
"Most edged weapons were little more than moral boosters and remnants of a previous era, particularly the bayonet. Few soldiers in either army were actually killed or wounded in an action where bayonets were involved. Of the 250,000 men treated in Union hospitals less than 1000 had wounds inflicted by sword or bayonet. In fact the majority of wounds from those sources were accidentally self-inflicted."
Maybe so few were treated because bayonets are extremely deadly?
It may also be in a situation where bayonets were used effectively, the men on the pointy ends were more likely to surrender than get stabbed.
There was also that bayonets were more a weapon of last resort by Civil War Era military tech and tactics.
Even during the Napoleonic War, similar casualties were noted. Most troops that would stand up to volley fire would break in the face of a bayonet charge.
The socket bayonet was a transformational weapon because it ended the era of pike and shot; every musketeer became his own pikeman. But it was mostly deployed in the traditional defensive role of a pike, for which it was fairly effective.
In the 18th century, a bayonet charge could be effective if performed by grim and highly-disciplined troops against skittish amatures who would be likely to break and run (think British army vs. colonial militia).
But yes. By the 19th century, it was becoming a relic. In the Civil War, if a bayonet charge was ordered and the enemy didn't break before the charge arrived, typically the charge would halt and the men would load and fire into each others' faces at ridiculously short distances. It's such a gross and gruesome thing to stab someone, most people are very reluctant to do it.
Nicole Brown-Simpson begs to differ (from the grave)
So in that picture, is that body armor or just a really bad Christmas Sweater? Hard to tell.
Whatever it is, he needs a bigger one.
Most soft body armor might stop a smaller caliber pistol round. Maybe even a large caliber, non-magnum round, but even those it's going to break bones and or deliver enough force to cause internal hemorrhage and possibly stop your heart. The stuff that our troops carry is extremely heavy and bulky, many even remove some of their plate carriers when on long patrols. It's not like Hollywood were you get hit and pop right back up, unless your wearing the very heavy stuff, most soft armor you are going down and gasping for breath, even if it doesn't penetrate. You also are likely taking a trip to the ER.
I've said it here before. Knew a guy who caught a round in Afghanistan on one of his tours. Might have been Iraq -- he was everywhere at some point. Anyway, The yellow/black/blue mess of a bruise on the photograph of his chest was remarkable.
Didn't go through and the armor likely saved his life, but he did crack ribs and it knocked the wind out of him. You're not an effective fighter anymore in severe pain, laying on your back, gasping for breath.
Someone wearing kevlar -- like a random shooter-- gets shot, it doesn't matter if he dies or just catches rounds in the vest. It will get his attention and likely put him down.
So when are they going to ban red SUVs
Gas prices are doing that for them.
Why, did something happen?
"This bill will help keep bulletproof vests out of the hands of those who want to protect themselves from law enforcement or other security officers while harming others."
Yes. And LEOs would have an easier time if we all wore shock collars with built-in tranquilizer darts that could be controlled by Official Government apps.
Dammit, do not give them ideas!
A clear violation of civil rights on so many levels and Const. laws.
I see it being striken down by the courts in short order.
Right on the first part, wrong on the second.
California has had that law for a long time. don't think it has mattered to the criminals.
Body armor is legal in CA.
Is it illegal to place concrete on/around a bulldozer in NY?
Wouldn't it just be easier to make the commission of a crime while wearing body armor be subject to stiffer penalties?
I guess the theatrics are just more fun for them.
Maybe just make the commission of a crime illegal. Why should it matter if you were wearing body armor? Is the victim going to be deader, the business more burglarized?
I'm sure there's an exemption for law enforcement. I'll take gun control efforts seriously when they stop exempting law enforcement.
NO! NOOOO!! YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PROTECT YOURSELF FROM BULLETS! YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A VICTIM!!
Exactly why should we feel sorry for New Yorkers when they keep voting in these d-bags? You get what you vote for. Same goes for Cali
There. New York has solved gun violence for everyone.
“This bill will help keep bulletproof vests out of the hands of those who want to protect themselves from law enforcement“
Wow. This reeks of “vote for me! Give me money! I did something!”
Don’t look to closely at what was done.
Yeah, and we can eliminate drive by shootings by outlawing cars!
The stupidity of the New York legislature is beyond belief until one realizes that it is the New York legislature’s actions that are being considered.
It's not stupidity, it's a deliberate political program.c
That's because Democrats want you to live in fear because both the state and criminals can shoot you any time anywhere.
You can't really have the totalitarian state they want to create if citizens can just protect themselves, can you now.
This law is just a closed gate next to a wide open field. People might not be able to buy actual branded body armor products, but a motivated attacker could still just make his own armor out of a steel plate. Even phone books can stop some smaller rounds. The only advantage of a ceramic plate intentionally designed to be bulletproof is it will be lighter than a steel plate. Turns out if you're not humping 100 pounds of gear in Afghanistan, you can trade in that weight savings to carry a steel plate that's heavier than your ceramic bulletproof plates. This law will do nothing to stop shootings. At most, you'll probably see the occasional shooter who tied some scrap metal around his chest.
What? No "Grandfather" period where peoples who already own Body Armor can register theirs?? (Pretty sure the Flak Jacket I wore in the Military didn't have any serial # (and I know, wasn't "bullet proof" it was a "Flak" (Flugabwehrkanonen if you want to be "Originalist") jacket
They can have all the Body Armor they want, that's what the Armor Piercing ammunition is for (legally purchased of course) and just emphasizes the importance of Head Shots.(legal ones of course)
If JFK/RFK/MLK(jr) had Body Armor they'd..............................
All still be dead (or in the case of JFK, in a coma at Bethesda Naval Hospital)
And were shot with respectively an1: "Assault Rifle"(6.5mm Carcano wasn't but actually was a "Weapon of War" if you consider the Italian "Army" a war fighting organization. 2: .22 Caliber Revolver, and 3: 30:06 Pump Action Remington, that actually is a "Hunting Rifle"(and has only a 4 round clip (an actual "Clip") no pistol grip/bayonet lug/flash supressor, it's "Safe"!!!!!!!!!!!!