America's Failed Opioid Policy Drove the Tulsa Shooter to Violence
Doctors can’t help people in pain because of restrictive opioid policy.

There's an old adage among physicians that "the patient can always hurt you more." This refers to the emotional toll personal mistakes and surgical complications can have on physicians when treating ill patients. A recent event has given that old adage a new, more tangible meaning.
Michael Louis, a patient at a Tulsa, Oklahoma, medical office, underwent spinal surgery last month. After being released on May 24, he repeatedly called the clinic to get further treatment for his lasting pain to no avail. On June 2, he targeted and killed his surgeon, Preston Phillips, before killing himself in a mass shooting.
While this story is shocking, it is not unpredictable. Doctors are often threatened by patients in immense pain after they are abruptly cut off from their opioid medications. How did we get here?
Policy makers and health care practitioners tend to misinterpret and misapply the 2016 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guideline for prescribing opioids for chronic pain, taking for a mandate what was meant as a general rule of thumb. Released as a measure to combat the overdose crisis, the report recommended imposing limits on the number of opioid prescriptions doctors could provide. This led many doctors, intimidated by possible consequences, to abruptly taper patients off pain medicine that has worked to treat and control pain for years. Horror stories about doctors being arrested or having their licenses suspended have led many physicians to give up treating pain altogether, refusing to see pain patients.
Misguided drug policy has stigmatized chronic pain patients, who are often suspected of being "drug abusers." And many doctors are just as misguided as journalists and politicians in their understanding of the pharmacology of opioids, as well as the difference between chemical dependency and addiction.
Because the government and medical boards limit surgeons' ability to prescribe opioids, surgeons, like us, can no longer treat a patient's complex pain using our best clinical judgment without administrative oversight. This system builds a wall between patients and their doctors, creating an adverse environment. This is not what we expected when we took the Hippocratic oath.
Up to 40 percent of spinal deformity patients have had some sort of spinal surgery in the past (performed by a spinal surgeon like Phillips or like Richard Menger, one of the authors of this article), meaning many of them are on opioids already. Recovery from these surgeries can take anywhere from three months to a year. While these patients go through a painful recovery, spine surgeons aren't always able to treat pain in a streamlined manner; we are required to prescribe only a limited amount of opioids. Oftentimes routine refill mechanisms are not available, and patients needing refills must be seen in person or prescribed medicine via an elaborate electronic co-signing system. Patients have to either run back and forth to the office or navigate an electronic prescription process sometimes between multiple pharmacies trying to connect to the e-software. Surgeons are frustrated. The staff faces burnout. And the patients have no efficient way to relieve their pain.
Patients often blame their doctor for their untreated pain. As patients become desperate for relief, they sometimes turn to the black market if their pharmacy can't fill the prescription in time. While lawmakers can try to regulate medication, they cannot regulate pain. Government attempts to combat the opioid crisis by reining in opioid supply and prescriptions have failed. By 2020, opioid prescription volume dropped roughly 60 percent from its peak in 2011, yet overdose rates have skyrocketed. Data collected from the CDC and the National Survey on Drug Use and Health show no association between the volume of opioid prescriptions and the nonmedical use or addiction in persons over the age of 12.
Although the reduction in opioid prescriptions has had no impact on overdose deaths from medically used opioids, the same cannot be said for opioids used nonmedically. It is now widely accepted that as the supply of relatively safe prescription drugs was slashed, nonmedical users have turned to heroin and, more recently, fentanyl, which was responsible for 87 percent of the 30,000-spike in drug overdose deaths in 2020. And fentanyl, cocaine, and methamphetamines were responsible for nearly all overdose deaths in 2021.
There is no clear definition of overprescribing. Yet policy makers keep doubling down on a misguided mission to reduce or eliminate opioid prescribing, putting patients back in miserable pain and mental anguish, driving some to suicide and others to the black market. Now, it may have driven one person to homicide.
All the while, overdoses soar among the population of nonmedical users who long ago moved on to heroin and fentanyl. Unfortunately, policy makers continue to believe the overdose crisis was caused by doctors treating their patients in pain when the real cause is drug prohibition and the dangerous black market it creates.
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Are you seriously saying, Dr. Menger, that the government has actually exacerbated and made this problem worse?
More collateral damage in the War on Drugs.
>>How did we get here?
he needed to attend physical therapy?
Physical therapy can help sometimes but not in all cases. Unfortunately, sometimes people need opioids; especially, those of us with chronic intractable pain that never stops.
kewl by me I'm not on the "opiods are a problem" train.
Sometimes?? like with spinal surgery? Duh
If he was a Kaiser patient, that's what would have been prescribed.
I started having severe sciatica pain out of the blue. A regiment of physical therapy was approved but, actually became very painful with no improvement.
After a lot of back and forth, they did and MRI on my spine. Which showed I had a synovial cyst that was putting pressure on my spinal column.
Because spinal surgery is so delicate and risky, they doubled down on their prescription for physical therapy.
A PA friend of mine was aghast that the might Kaiser would even consider this to be effective medicine.
your statement 'b/c spinal surgery is so delicate and risky' means this: surgery isn't an option. There's little we can do. But the evidence is clear- hyperalgesia and loss of function is seen routinely with long term opioid use. And the ease with which short term/acute opioid use morphs into long term use is shocking. A recent article in Annals of Internal Medicine demonstrated excellent pain control with high THC/CBD ratio products. I'm not pro pot per se, but it's much safer than opioids and worth a try in these sort of tricky scenarios.
what total BS ......... thc ???
I truly hope you're no a real pain MD!!!!
It doesn't work on alot of this pain we are in I have my Med card I have tried it all sorry I have 2 places 4 to 5 pinched nerves Bulging this that are pinching into my spinal canal in 2 different places yes some no marijuana doesn't work
"Safer?" One could argue either way, however your 2nd amendment goes out the door as soon as you possess a Medical cannabis card.
It seems you've never had surgery. I had rotator cuff surgery in September. I was not allowed to attend physical therapy until a minimum of 2 weeks after the surgery. Some patients can't start until 6 weeks after.
Sorry I have had 3 surgeries 2 on my neck with over 48 pieces of hardware in it and lower back was done also with 4 pieces of hardware don't know about anyone else but my spine is det Deteriorating At a slow rate but it's still deteriorating I can't get much for paying THC CBD don't work for me.
It’s time to get the government out of the doctors office (but only for abortions).
Neither the DEA nor the CDC have licenses to practice medicine yet that is what they are doing. Relief from pain should be between the doctor and the patient only. Get the govt out of my doctor's office.
"It’s time to get the government out of the doctors office ..."
It was the passage of Medicare in 1965 that first put the Government into Doctors' offices in a big way, albeit only for patients 65 and over. That law required the Government to define medical procedures. Every medical interaction between a Doctor and the Patient. So everything had to have a code and a definition and strict boundaries of what fit it a given procedure and what didn't. And a federal bureaucracy was created to define them. Then medical insurance companies had to adopt them for patients of every age for obvious reasons. And the insertion of the government into the doctor patient relationship ballooned from there.
I told my husband when this happened that I bet the hospital sent him home after surgery with a two or three day supply of pain medication and then told him to take Tylenol after that. Unless you have experienced debilitating pain, you don't realize how it destroys your life. You can't think, sleep, or function on any level when your brain is screaming "pain, pain, pain" 24 hours a day. And then when the doctor's office just responds to your cries for help with the words "guidelines", you start thinking "I'll show you what I think of your damn guidelines"! You start thinking irrationally and soon you start acting irrationally.
Cindy, you and the Doctors that wrote this article are Dead On Correct .... saltygigi, so sorry your husband went through such hell.
In 2014, I, myself, went through the same thing. I had lower back surgery, but by a year time, I was feeling pain again and my doctor put me on a low dose short term Opioids. 7 years later was still on the Opioids but at a higher dosage and now was long term, and still in pain that was getting worse. I decided to go see another surgeon and surgery was suggested. Twice, he canceled my surgery due to not having a Pain Management doctor to take care of my Postoperative Pain Management. I found another surgeon that worked directly with a Pain specialist. March of this year I had my surgery, fusion of L1,2,and 3 and cleaned out 4 and 5. I am happy to say I am doing better, and am gradually having my meds dosage lowered. My goal is to be Pain and Opioids Free.
Sounds like a case of "punishing some people in order to protect other idiots from themselves". Where have I heard that before?
Just like controlling guns....when the idiot behind one is out of control?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Drug warriors believe they're on the side of righteousness, saving people from death and addiction. Like so many others who are blinded by their good intentions, they can't see the hell that they cause.
Do you have proof that this was the cause of the shooting or is it conjecture to push your viewpoint?
I actually agree with your views on pain management. I went through it with my Mother. Taking her to a pain management specialist, monitoring her taking her meds and keeping inventory of those meds so that I could verify them to the Doctor.
If you have proof that this was the reason, fine, If you don't I think it's wrong to try to tie it to your views.
good questions. It is unlikely the authors have access to the deceased patient's medical records due to privacy issues. The article they referenced with a link appears to undermine their claims:
“What we currently know is that Louis was in pain, Louis expressed that he was in pain and was not getting relief and that was the circumstance surrounding this entire incident,” Tulsa Police Chief Wendell Franklin said at a news conference. Police have not said that Louis was seeking opioids to relieve his pain.
The more likely scenario is that the many barriers created in medicine today for a patient to overcome in order to speak to their physician in real time, contributed a significant amount to his frustration. The records should indicate how often the surgeon interfaced in person, via telephone or via virtual encounter with the patient post surgery. OTOH, we have no information as to the patient's medical history re: drug abuse. Questions remain.
The premise of the article, authored by a general surgeon in AZ and a physician faculty in Alabama, is misleading, as to the specifics of a medical case in OK gone terribly wrong
You seem to be going out of your way to create an improbable scenario that fits with your own preconceived opinion about the health system. The police aren’t in the business of (illegally) releasing peoples medical records but it’s quite clear what they are saying and that the shooter was seeking medication.
the people writing this article are very uniformed and I question their reason for interject themselves into something that they apparently not next to nothing about!!!
I am one one of the long term chronic pain people that has had 3 surgeries, pt sessions out the wazoo, spin shots, etc ....... nothing every worked and unfortunately it all came back to pain meds, which (thank GOD) I was set up with palliative care ........... and I was happy to say that I managed a 80% normal life ...........
I've been dealing with this crap for over 30 years and have been to thru major medical systems and programs ......... I am very aware of the BS and the FACTS
Was reasonably dealing with life ......... until obama and his hacks took over
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when I got cut totally off the the pain meds, there was no addiction BS or anything ......... I stayed in bed cuz of the pain!!!
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been total hell since .......... these guys that wrote this half/ass article needed to talk to some folks that really lived it ........ not part timers or one-off patients ......
Well, the shooter himself said so.
Of course, most people in agonizing pain don't go around shooting their doctors. Obviously, there was some other problem with that guy.
This issue hits very close to home. I have family who were likely hooked on painkillers. And they treated that addiction with their doctor. They had back problems, but I am 90% certain that wasn't the only reason they took opioids. They took the opioids because they made life easier for them.
Why the fuck does the government have a problem with that? Why *must* opioids only be used to treat short term pain? I admit that probably my family is using the opioid for more than just pain relief. But that isn't hurting anyone.
The government is cruel. They are chasing people away from doctors and into the arms of Fentanyl dealers for no reason other than that they don't like the motivations for the consumption of a product.
They took the opioids because they made life easier for them.
Bingo. Pain is a subjective symptom.
I prefer the use of the phrase "quality of life." I would be couch bound and in agony without my pain medication. With the meds I can do light yard work and make household repairs, etc. Opioids give me a quality of life that is livable.
And no one should take that from you for the sake of trying to keep some degens from getting high.
Legislated morality.
Vices are Not Crimes, 1875, Lysander Spooner
Because the costs of opioid abuse are socialized, through unemployment insurance, disability insurance, health insurance, and Medicare/Medicaid.
Because long term use actually causes medical, economic, and social problems.
Get rid of the social welfare state and you can take opioids all you want. As long as the costs of opioid abuse are socialized, it's also the government's business to punish you for abusing it.
Because long term use actually causes medical, economic, and social problems.
So does chronic pain.
By the same reasoning we should ban participation in sports, and riding motorcycles and all sorts of things that cause lots of injury, much of whose cost is borne by society.
And in order for people to make a rational tradeoff between enduring pain and possibly becoming addicted to opiods, we should stop socializing medical and disability costs.
Same thing: if you engage in risky behavior that may lead to high medical costs, your insurance rates should reflect that, and in a private health insurance market, they would.
the govt luvs you the way you are......
The government loves the way YOU are, defending, as you do, socialist big government programs, like Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, ACA, and the shifting of costs and risks.
I'm taking the libertarian view: I favor small government, freedom of contracts, and freedom of association.
The medicine does not cause addiction. .06 percent of post op patients abuse pain meds. I'm gonna guess with that sort of virtue signal, you're really important and stuff. Everyone should listen to your idea, even if it's void of fact. Get hit by a bus. Take some tylenol. Get back to me.
Long term use for many with chronic pain can restore one's ability to engage with family and home, improve mobility and return some quality of life. I'm a former hospice nurse who has had chronic pain for over 35 years. I was able to keep working for 8 years because I was working collaboratively with a pain NP and had low-dose, long-acting opioids that allowed me to work effectively, be a mom and sleep at night. When I was abandoned by my pain clinic I became disabled within months and went on SSDI and Medicare. I'm in retirement now but my story isn't unique. I took a long time deciding to access opioids then and was very grateful to be able to continue my career seeing patients. Please stop equating us with nonmedical users, there is a huge difference.
Same here. My elderly mother became addicted to Xanax. And, she tried to stop cold turkey but her anxiety attacks went off the track. He doctors wanted to end her addiction but, they also warned that going off Xanax like that was potentially dangerous.
Finally, after a really bad anxiety episode that ended up with me taking her to the emergency room, they wouldn't let her in. They sent out a physician/evaluator to talk to us and he told her and us, that at her age, she should just continue taking the Xanax and not worry about the addiction at all.
I understand your point, however, Xanax is not an Opioid, it is a Benzo.
Barbiturates imitated narcotics as of 1912, and are dangerously addictive and poisonous.
What cereal box did you get your Pharmacy degree from?
I've had family members who became nearly suicidal over the chronic pain that the doctors wouldn't treat.
Anybody else struck by the difference between the feds approach to the subjective evaluation of pain and the subjective evaluation of gender?
One gets ignored, the other gets showered with big bucks.
Meanwhile, today's WSJ contained an op/ed that lies about and demonizes marijuana and its users, and advocates keeping pot banned (which has destroyed millions of American lives during the past 5 decades).
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cannabis-and-the-violent-crime-surge-marijuana-pot-use-thc-shootings-psychosis-mental-11654540197?mod=opinion_lead_pos8
Reefer Madness!
I used it when I was younger and do so again today for sleep; never have I seen it "ruin" anyone, but a lot of losers use it along with any number of other substances. Once again, causation loses to correlation.
"causation loses to correlation". It's the American way. Visit any online forum or especially, the comments that follow online articles and suddenly, everyone's an expert in statistical analysis and has plenty of "data" to throw out there in support of their assertion. But those assertions are nothing more than random hypothesis with no scientific proof to back them up.
That's why so many, including a few here, are willing to accept that, because blacks make up a disproportional share of the incarcerated, the system is racially biased. But God help anyone who suggests that hypothesizing that blacks might just be engaging in illegal conduct more frequently than others and thus, being arrested and prosecuted disproportionately.
Both are valid hypothesis. Neither has been proven conclusively.
Correlation converges on causation via induction. All men are mortal is a true premise; howcum? Jimi dies, Janis dies, Jim dies... no exceptions? We have a fact. Induction is where we get the premises from which syllogisms and physics draw leverage.
ruh roh ......... cancellation coming for YOU
Could be elements of both.
I think cannabis should be legalized, provided you don't get to socialize the cost of your drug use (resulting unemployment, disability, medical costs).
However, as long as cannabis is illegal and you choose to use it recreationally, you only have yourself to blame for the consequences. Every single American is subject to seemingly pointless and arbitrary laws, and we conform with them because selectively ignoring laws we don't like leads to chaos.
So, by all means, push through laws to legalize cannabis. Until then, don't complain that the existing laws "ruin your life" because they don't; your choice to break the law ruins your life.
Either people have rights or they don't. Laws infringing on people's rights are outrageous, even if there are a lot of them. You seem to be demanding a perfect set of laws before anyone gets to complain that their rights are being violated because exercising your rights might lead to the government imposing costs on someone.
You're free to be as outraged as you like. You're free to use the political process to change those laws.
But until those laws are changed by the legislature, you will get punished if you break them.
No, I demand that you do the same thing I do: obey the law or face the consequences.
But until those laws are changed by the legislature, you will get punished if you break them.
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Unless maybe your dad is VP.
Political corruption like not charging Hunter Biden and Paul Pelosi is the result of progressives and some "libertarians" cheering for prosecutors ignoring violations of laws they happen not to like. That is precisely why the rule of law matters and why people like you should support the uniform enforcement of laws as written by the legislatures.
Interesting. You never drive above the speed limit at any time. You come to a complete stop at every stop sign. You never enter the left lane of a freeway except to pass (yes, there are laws about that). You never pad deductions on your tax return, and you always pay the full amount of "confiscatory" taxes. Your house is up to code in every respect. You never use pesticides around the house or herbicides on your lawn (yes, there are laws about that). You always move over and slow down when passing a road crew or emergency vehicle on the shoulder of the road. You always secure your handgun with a safety lock. You never take a weapon into the designated area of a gun-free zone. You never break a single one of the THOUSANDS of laws in effect. You, sir, are a wonder.
We're not talking about people accidentally breaking laws, we're talking about people deliberately breaking criminal laws and then demanding that they not be punished for it.
Yes, I pay all my taxes, I don't cheat on my taxes, I don't take deductions I'm not entitled to. I make an effort to obey all traffic laws. I don't own a gun. I don't ever deliberately break the law. I'm a law abiding citizen in a nation built on the rule of law, and I expect every American to behave the same way or face the legal consequences.
If you or I don't like particular laws, the way to deal with that in a free nation based on the rule of law is to go through the democratic process to change those laws.
don't own a gun ......... and don't believe in the parts of the constitution that "don't apply to You"......... amirite??
Whatever gives you that idea? I strongly support the 2A. I simply don't own a gun myself.
Furthermore, whether I support a part of the Constitution or not is not the question; the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and I comply with it until it gets changed.
So the looters finally go their hooks into the Wall Street Journal the way they did Scientific American decades back. This is a bad sign.
Didn't they learn anything from roadhouse?
Pain don't hurt
Finally something we agree on, "Reverend"
Frank "Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker!"(Ouch, paper cut)
Mostly it was the DEA that misinterpreted the CDC guideline and the DEA was threating any Docs that didn't go along with their interpretation with prosecution.
Once anything is within the purview of a government agency, it's fucked.
Yep. I worked for government for more than 20 years. And, what you say is the God honest truth.
'There is no problem so terrible that government intervention can't make it worse.
I'm all for legalizing all drugs, as long as you are financially responsible for the consequences of drug use.
In particular, if you lose your job due to drug use or become disabled due to drug use, your insurance should pay nothing. Your only option at that point should be to either self-finance or enter a charitable institution for treatment.
that's between you and your insurance company not for anyone else to decide.
If i'm willing to insure you with a rider that includes your drug use disability then so be it.
That's the way it should be. But that's not the way it works in the US. In the US, low risk individuals are required to subsidize the risky and irresponsible lifestyle choices of others for medical insurance, disability insurance, and unemployment insurance.
so I get to own part of YOUR house ......... cuz I subsidized your loan .......... and your taxes ........ and your education........... and your kids ........etc.......etc.........etc
how old are you .........30-35, am guessing
Government housing loan guarantees have been a disaster and should be abolished. Ditto for student loans. Schools and universities should be privatized. People should bear the actual cost of the choices they make.
(As for me, I paid cash for my house, pay six figures in income tax every year, worked my way through private college, as an immigrant was ineligible for government programs for most of my life, and don't have any kids. So your feeble attempt at accusing me of hypocrisy is failing. I have paid a lot more than my fair share to US society, more than you likely ever will.)
How many people lose their job due to legal drug use? (You did specify legalizing all drugs.) How many people become disabled due to drug use? How many people that do either of those things would have lost their job or become disabled due to alcohol use?
Several million people in the US have a medically serious drug abuse disorder; most of those are likely out of work.
I have no idea. Probably a lot. Therefore, insurance companies should adjust rates for alcohol abuse just like they do for drug use, promiscuity, and other dangerous lifestyle choices.
Unfortunately, under current US law, people who make responsible, healthy lifestyle choices are forced to subsidize people who behave irresponsibly.
I am a 40+ years ER/ICU RN. My husband had a “simple” laminectomy 01 August 2014. He had progressively increased pain, unrelieved by pain meds, physical therapy, TENS unit. We contacted the surgeon’s office every single week, desperate to get a solution to his pain. He never got to see the surgeon nor speak to his surgeon during this four week span of hell.
By September 1st, he had Irretractable back pain and a paralyzed leg. He became septic, admitted to hospital and discovered to still have a substance, surgifoam, adhered to his spinal nerve as it exited his spinal cord from 1st surgery!!! Because his bladder never emptied completely, a bacteria that is normal in the bladder, entrobac, was able to get into his kidneys and then his bloodstream. Entrobac has a higher mortality rate than MERSA.
And what did this POS surgeon tell my husband the day after this mistake was found? “The pain was not all in your head”. To which my husband retorted “I never thought it was in my head”.
That's horrible and your husband should have been given pain killers.
But the malpractice seems to be in lack of informed consent; there is no such thing as a "simple laminectomy". About 1/3 of patients get worse, and nerve damage and bladder problems are common. Even many the 2/3 of patients where the operation is considered a success only experience a reduction in pain.
so you got rich on that pain and doctor fubar .......
The Hippocratic oath says to do no harm but reducing or eliminating needed pain medications would harm the patient. What would happen if doctors stood by their medical training and knowledge, and refused to reduce medications simply because of guidelines? Medicine is not a "one size fits all" system, and guidelines are not intended to be absolute rules. Considering that we already have a rather severe shortage of medical professionals, how many would our government be willing to ban from practice? Perhaps it is fear alone driving the doctors, rather than a real threat.
What would happen if doctors stood by their medical training and knowledge, and refused to reduce medications simply because of guidelines?
then the federal government will put them in jail, for decades. This has happened many times and will continue to happen.
Many medical procedures and drugs realistically have a high risk of negative outcomes. Patients need to weigh the risks and possible benefits. The problem with US medicine is that it overpromises: many medical problems simply aren't fixable after the fact (but would have been easily preventable).
Opioids are ineffective in most people for the management of chronic pain. Instead of chronic pain, if you try to treat it with opioids, you end up with chronic pain, drug addiction, opioid side effects, and risk of overdose.
The war on drugs has hurt far many more than the drugs ever did. When they made heroin cheaper than weed that pushed many to use the harder drug. It's time to end this insane war !
Smack became cheap because old-school government-backed gangsters couldn't sell it to people who could get psychedelics. Only by first banning LSD through murder and blackmail were looter politicians and their government agents able to rekindle the market for opiates. Cocaine is not the least bit addictive, and therefore draws the boiling wrath of every officious altruist criminalizing vice into crime.
How did we get here?
look no further than the FDA, DEA, and AMA.
Yup, last surgery I had I SUFFERED! because surgeon couldn't/wouldn't prescribe adequate medication.
I'm SO sick and tired of all the trouble misusers/abusers have caused everyone and da'gubmint's knee jerk reaction to try to keep the pukes from killing themselves.
Inversion of causality detected. For every initiation of force there is unequal yet apposite reprisal force. Failure to grasp this simple fact has resulted in many major wars in which LOTS of people not killed were dosed with opiates. After the Civil War addiction was euphemized as the "Soldiers' Disease." To this day "buddy poppy" mementoes are psychological Purple Heart band-aids.
You're not including the medical evidence that is pretty clear- spinal surgery (with clear exceptions) rarely helps patients when looked at a functional or pain lens 6-18 months out. You failed to address this 'upstream' issue in this article that is ironically published in a magazine titled Reason.
Not in my case, just over one year out, still no agonizing muscle spasms.
Last year had three spinal surgeries and two hospitalizations within thirty days. Problem was sciatica due to herniated disk. First two surgeries were partial laminectomies, day surgeries, not successful. Was hurting before I even got home. Opioids of only limited use except for morphine given in ambulance, was in so much agony before second surgery I could no longer bear it. Was told my case wasn't like everyone else's but surgeon moved fast to get things fixed. The ONLY thing that really stopped the pain was spinal fusion. All disk fragments were cleaned out, nothing to contact the sciatic nerve. Woke up in recovery room NOT hurting. In recovery had some opioids, helped some, muscle relaxants helped much more. For some reason suspect killer may have had unsuccessful surgeries for sciatica. Hurt enough for long enough and the pain can really do a number on you, physically and mentally. Grateful to be recovered now.
According to the 2018 Farm Bill, hemp products containing less than .3% Delta 9 THC are legal. There are companies like Hometown Hero and 3 Chi (and more) that sell -.3% Delta 9 products legally in all states (you order online). Delta 9 THC is sold in a variety of forms and may be helpful to people who are suffering from chronic pain.
if thc takes care of your pain .......... then its ALL in your head
The pain receptors ARE in your brain, which is located in the head.
The long term solution is for the pharmaceutical industry to develop strong pain medications that are not opiods.
There was an episode of M*A*S*H about a soldier who had gotten hooked on morphine after being wounded and treated before arriving at the 4077th. Clearly, patients getting hooked on pain medication after medical treatment goes back to the 1950s.
Remember that after being beaten by his neighbor and suffering cracked ribs, Sen. Rand Paul only took non-prescription medication for his pain, out of fear of becoming addicted.
My wife suffered after an appendectomy, because she is deathly afraid of becoming a junkie. She won't take opiods.
We already have many non-opioid pain medications and other techniques (e.g. deep brain stimulation). But they are no substitute for opioids because if you want the kind of pain relief opioids can provide, you need to target the opioid receptors and that causes the effects that stimulation of those receptors provides. Furthermore, pain perception is physiologically necessary; you can't live without it.
And why is intravenous acetaminophen thousands of dollars per dose ? (And why is the concept of injecting it patentable?? Injection has been well-known for hundreds of years as an enhanced delivery mechanism for drugs, and what idiot in the US Patent Office approved that patent?)
if you don't take the meds cuz you're worried about getting addicted, then you aren't in REAL pain
America's Failed Opioid Policy Drove the Tulsa Shooter to Violence
No, being crazy drove the Tulsa shooter to violence. There are millions of people in this country who have problems with their medical care. Almost none of them go on shooting sprees.
Everything the DEA labels as "drug seeking behavior" in chronic pain patients can be adequately explained by pain avoidance.
Happiness-hating zealots had the same attitude in 1875, when beer was an illegal narcotic in Lysander Spooner's City of Boston. He asked: In the midst of this endless variety of opinion, what man, or what body of men, has the right to say, in regard to any particular action, or course of action, "We have tried this experiment, and determined every question involved in it. We have determined it, not only for ourselves, but for all others. And, as to all those who are weaker than we, we will coerce them to act in obedience to our conclusion. We will suffer no further experiment or inquiry by any one, and, consequently, no further acquisition of knowledge by anybody"?
Remember when the people amended the Constitution to give the Union Government power over the people's drugs????
Yeah; Me Neither...
F'En Nazi's...
I personally know Dr. menger as a spinal surgery patient. Spinal surgery recovery is painful as is the physical therapy that goes along with it. He has been very mindful of the pain management needed to help me with my recovery yet I’m sure he has a great deal of unnecessary “administrative oversight” that he has to contend with in order to help his patients. As always where the government is involved there are problems not far behind. This is my fifth surgery for back/spine issues and prior to the CDC guidelines pain management was never an issue. Now, this has become a nightmare of phone calls, emails and messages that take days to get the medications and sometimes causing me to be without pain relief for a few hours if not two to three days. I agree with most everyone else who says that government has no business in the clinic with me and my doctor.
I realize I'm one of the few here who actually took and passed a Med School Pharmacology course,
But the problem with prescribing for Chronic Pain is the Tolerance particular to Opiates/Opioids(there's a difference) so eventually a Rush Limbo needs a Rush Limbo Sized Fentanyl dose, add in the prospect of Medium Security Federal Institutions, and it's easy to see why nobody with any cents treats Chronic pain...
Frank
Oh yeah, if I hear "Fent-a-NOL" one more time, I'm going to rend my Scrubshirt, it's "Fent-a-NILL", pronounced like that stupid substitute for "Zero, Nada, Nothing, Zilch" that's become so fashionable to say.
All drugs should be legal on the open market without licensed doctors' prescriptions, FDA regulation of their production, or licensed pharmacists' dispensing them. Without restrictions as to quantity or who (besides minors) may not buy them.
The only reason your doctor makes millions a year and likely the only reason you can afford those surgeries is government regulations in the first place. As long as government is involved in that way, it is also going to be involved in your medical decision making.
The solution, the government solution that is, would be to confiscate firearms from patients prior to their surgery. China has the same policy basically. Without a Covid vaccine document, Shanghai Chinese are not allowed to visit the hospital, or a public restroom for that matter.
"Recovery from these surgeries can take anywhere from three months to a year."
Doc, you forgot to mention that by the time surgery is approved and performed, the patient may have suffered nerve damage the surgery won't correct, and the best outcome is often that things don't get WORSE.
My wife was in a head-on car accident.
A broken knee, as well as complete torso bruising and several small fractures in her ribs. She couldn’t walk, and any movement was excruciating.
They would not prescribe her pain meds for even 1 night.