If You Want Protection for Your Loved Ones, Do It Yourself
No hollow promise can replace our attachments to our children, spouses, friends, and our own lives.

Police in Uvalde, Texas, face a barrage of criticism for delays in confronting the shooter who slaughtered children and teachers last week. Officials admit law enforcers screwed up; worse, they impeded parents who wanted to intervene, leaving the crime to be ended by agents who ignored police orders. As politicians rush to leverage tragedy to advance legislative agendas, we're reminded again that it's foolish to place our trust in authority or to surrender our ability to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
"From the benefit of hindsight, where I'm sitting now, of course it was not the right decision," Steven McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, admitted of police choosing to wait for backup and equipment before intervening in a massacre that took the lives of 19 schoolchildren and two teachers. "It was the wrong decision, period. There's no excuse for that."
That decision delayed the response for over an hour. Finally, a Border Patrol team that drove 40 miles to the scene defied orders and stopped the shooter's rampage.
"Federal agents who went to Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday to confront a gunman who killed 19 children were told by local police to wait and not enter the school — and then decided after about half an hour to ignore that initial guidance and find the shooter," noted NBC News.
The feds weren't the only ones willing to intervene. Instead of taking on Ramos, local police tackled, pepper-sprayed, and handcuffed parents rather than allow them to take action at which officers balked.
"The police were doing nothing," said Angeli Rose Gomez who was briefly arrested for challenging official indecision.
"Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children," reported The Wall Street Journal. "She sprinted out of the school with them."
This isn't the first time police faced criticism for dithering in response to danger. By the time officers entered Colorado's Columbine High School in in 1999, 47 minutes had passed allowing the shooters to do their worst before killing themselves. Columbine was supposed to spur changes in police policy, but that wasn't apparent during a 2018 incident at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida.
"Information reported over 10 months by the South Florida Sun Sentinel reveals 58 minutes of chaos on campus marked by no one taking charge, deputies dawdling, false information spreading, communications paralyzed and children stranded with nowhere to hide," that newspaper concluded.
Our discourse over law enforcement in recent years can be characterized as a debate between people who vilify cops and those who sanctify them. They're either racist thugs or a thin blue line standing against barbarism. The crimes of Derek Chauvin and his buddies as well as the heroism of the federal agents who raced to Uvalde shows that both breeds exist. But the majority of officers are regular people working a unionized public-sector job. Like most of us, they go through their days and collect their pay.
"Cops are civilians with guns who have had minimal training," Eugene O'Donnell, a law professor with John Jay College of Criminal Justice and former police officer told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "Some of them are heroic. But not all. You're asking for Zeus-like cops to speed to these scenes and be ready to put down mass killers. And cops are being told to stay out of trouble by the courts, the media, the culture. That's their alpha and their omega."
Angeli Rose Gomez's children gave her a personal stake, which is why she was willing to run into Robb Elementary School; other parents scuffled with police for the opportunity to do the same. An unidentified woman in Charleston, West Virginia, also had skin in the game (her own) when she drew a concealed pistol and put down a man who opened fire on a crowd a day after the Uvalde massacre, preventing the death of anybody other than the attacker. Most officers don't have personal stakes in the incidents to which they respond, and it's asking a lot to expect them to put their lives on the line for strangers. They don't even have a legal obligation to protect us.
"Nothing in the language of the Due Process Clause itself requires the State to protect the life, liberty, and property of its citizens against invasion by private actors," then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist wrote for the majority in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (1989).
So, we'd be foolish to surrender our right to defend ourselves and our loved ones, as many politicians demand, in hope that public employees with no stake in the situation and families waiting at home will take up the slack. No law or hollow promise relying on the limitations of human beings in public sector jobs can replace the attachments we have to our children, spouses, friends, and our own lives.
Politicians also vow to fortify schools against attack with fencing, metal detectors, and armed guards. The approach hardens targets, but it confines children in something like prison camps. It also leaves those within the perimeter at risk if it's breached. Then-Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble wrestled with that dilemma after a 2013 terrorist attack at the Westgate mall in Nairobi, Kenya.
"Noble said there are really only two choices for protecting open societies from attacks like the one on Westgate mall where so-called 'soft targets' are hit: either create secure perimeters around the locations or allow civilians to carry their own guns to protect themselves," ABC News reported at the time. Noble seemed to favor armed civilians since that allows for dynamic responses to unpredictable situations—assuming police don't tackle enraged parents trying to protect their children.
Based on the seemingly inevitable trail of threats, manifestos, and bad behavior left behind by Ramos and his ilk, some pundits advocate intensified scrutiny of potentially troubling messages. "The answer is obvious," insists Holman W. Jenkins, Jr. at The Wall Street Journal. "Surveillance powered by big data, whose advancing role in our world seems unstoppable in any case."
But, as economist Arnold Kling points out, a lot of people say troubling, violent, and extremist things, but very few actually do anything to endanger others.
"For surveillance to work, you have to be willing to see thousands of people tracked for every one who actually attempts murder," Kling cautions. "And you will have to intervene every time the surveillance algorithm reveals a potential for the person to become violent."
We would end up with a Big-Brother state staffed by risk-averse bureaucrats. They would live in dread of missing a dangerous person, and the threshold would drop whenever somebody slipped through.
The truth is that proposals for a prison society of disarmed and surveilled subjects shepherded by public employees are unworkable. The state can't defend us from danger, and nothing obligates us to pretend otherwise. If you want to protect yourself and your loved ones, you have to do it yourself.
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Good for you. I remain as you, defensive in posture. Ammo, land, silver, firearms, etc. are liquid assets.
Our progressive society tolerates massive institutional failure while punishing law-abiding citizens for those failures with regulations and tyranny. Thank God for the second amendment.
The institution didn't fail. We failed the institution, and therefore we must be punished.
Thank James Madison and the other deliberaters and authors of The Bill of Rights.
As for a God who doesn't exist, well, you can thank him and his so-called "Good Book" for Pastor Johnathan Shelley and his flock of sheeple at Stedfast Baptist Church. This hoard of would-be Theocratic Tyrants provide another great reason why freedom-loving Individuals should keep and bear arms:
Texas Pastor Condemns City's Pride Celebration And Calls For Execution Of Gay People In Horrific Council Meeting Speech
https://www.comicsands.com/arlington-texas-christian-pastor-pride-2657419554.htm
Gay people would be foolish to believe that the Bill of Rights confers rights to them. The Pastor is merely repeating that which has been standard policy throughout the first 200 years of this nation's history.
You would be foolish to act as if The Bill of Rights confers Individual Rights to anyone. The documuent doesn't confer Individual Rights, but recognizes Individual Rights inherent in all humans and indeed all sapient beings by virtue of their nature as rational beings. And The Bill Of Rights makes no mention of Individual Rights being limited by sex, gender, or sexuality.
As for that Jack-Legged Pastor and his deranged flock of sheeple, they are not bound by tradition to say and do any of their stupid shit. And if any of them attempt the executions they say they support, they might end up as Holey Carcasses instead of meeting The Holy Ghost.
Fuck Off to them and if you support them, Fuck Off to you!
You're too dumb to take care of yourself MAGA fools.
"More than half of Florida fatalities came after June 1, 2021, months after adults ages 18 or older could get the shots, figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show. Nationwide, it was just the opposite. The majority of the 1 million-plus deaths across the country came before March 1, 2021, when shots were in shorter supply.
At least 29,000 deaths in the state might have been prevented if everyone who could have gotten the shots, did, a Brown University analysis published May 13 shows. Florida had twice as many vaccine-preventable deaths as California, the most populous state, and the second most in the nation, after Texas, university researchers said...."
"..ver since inoculations began in December 2020, doctors, scientists and most public health officials have urged people to get vaccinated, emphasizing that immunization protects against severe illness, hospitalizations and deaths.
Not everyone heeded the messages. A number of the dead, unvaccinated Floridians whose family members spoke to The Palm Beach Post had ridiculed vaccine recipients and scientists while praising GOP figures such as Gov. Ron DeSantis or former President Donald Trump. Others distrusted the shots for nonpolitical reasons, or they simply never got around to getting them.
Whatever their reasons, they left behind spouses, children, family and friends frustrated that they hadn’t gotten vaccinated. And DeSantis has no apparent plans to combat immunization misinformation or boost inoculations as the nation grapples with new waves of infection...."
Then go get a vaccine, live your life, and ignore all the people in Florida, if you can manage to mind your own business.
He has long term COVID / PASC (postacute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 infection). PASC is the subjective, unverified, non-measurable self-reported symptoms that the sick, lame, lazy and crazy report but medical science can not verify. It is like the Hillary Clinton Russian hoax pandemic: the Left reported it but no objective facts supported the reporting.
....
A Longitudinal Study of COVID-19 Sequelae and Immunity: Baseline Findings
https://doi.org/10.7326/M21-4905
Participants with findings meeting the definition of PASC reported lower quality of life on standardized testing. Abnormal findings on physical examination and diagnostic testing were uncommon. Neutralizing antibody levels to spike protein were negative in 27% of the unvaccinated COVID-19 cohort and none of the vaccinated COVID-19 cohort. Exploratory studies found no evidence of persistent viral infection, autoimmunity, or abnormal immune activation in participants with PASC.
He can't manage to mind his own business. That's why he's a progressive.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Asshole.
+100
>>deaths in the state might have been prevented
just no, dude. figure it out.
And this affects you how?
Faggot, you better kill yourself right away.
you need to find a better teat to stuff in your septic mouth. NONE of what you claim is valid or true.
Stats worldwide prove the injections have caused more deaths and serious injuries than all of the rice rabies combined. CDC have even declared openy that the shots neither prevent infection nor do they prevent the transmission of it. Hospitalrecords worldwide PROVE more live cass are amongst the innoculated than are among those not injected. Go and examine Israel's stats. And Canada's And New York's. And/...................
you're ignorance is astounding. your so called "vaccines" are anything but. they cannot prevent transmission or contraction of the virus. and there is even evidence now that the drugs are harmful to the immune system. ask yourself "if the vaccines work then why don't they work?".
some of the plethora of evidence:
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/what-do-oklahoma-and-portugal-have?s=r
Sir, this is a Wendy's
Wendy’s nuts are on your chin
I’ll show myself out.
Looks like you and Wendy have shown out already. 😉
Let’s have 20 armed parents in every classroom in the US. Good luck with that. Violent hateful Republicans are gun fetish nuts who rally against the only viable solution: less guns. These soulless freaks would rather have funerals for children then give up their assault rifles.
Yes, we all know that disarming half the country you hate is this point, and the stuff about the kids is just an excuse.
^
Is it the half that is ok with overthrowing the government? Maybe there is a reason people are leery of gun nuts and whackos when they see no issue with trying to install a dictator.
At this point the whole argument for guns and fighting against a "tyrannical government" is pure bullshit because the gun nuts would love that- so long as it's their tyrant.
Is it the half that is ok with overthrowing the government?
It’s how this country got started.
It’s the half that, if it came to Nazi Germany, wouldn’t be siding with the Gestapo.
Yep. It's quite sobering to realize that a lot of people simply do not care about other people dying so long as they have their metal dick at their side.
As mentioned above, there's no way I'd ever give up my guns to a political group that hates me. A little history from the last century says it all.
exactly right. someday mr raspberry will be cowering in his closet shitting himself as an armed intruder invades his house. if he's lucky they'll only take his stuff, but more likely he'll be killed. meanwhile we'll defend ourselves and family with our firearms. he's a complete idiot.
I've always wondered about the current demonization of the middle class white male that modern progressives have been doing.
I get that you have to have an "other" to hate when you are trying to draw people together to fight "the man" or "injustice" or whatever. You single someone out through a characteristic, like the KKK a century ago did with blacks, or Nazis did with Jews.
But your typical conservative white man in America is not the Jews in Europe in 1935. Because most of them are heavily armed. There's only so far you can go to marginalizing them, and if it becomes institutionalized and formalized, to the point of calling for them to be rounded up (like jews in Europe back then)... well, you know who would win the conflict between progressive academia/racialists and middle class Americans.
""their metal dick at their side.""
This is why we can't have an adult conversation about guns. One side hates gunner owners so much they can't be rational.
Fascinated by other folk's genitalia, are you?
Envy
Such harsh words about abortion from you.
It's always about penises with you gun grabbers, isn't it?
To them, penises are the cause of all the world's problems.
You and your friends are 100% responsible for every one of these shootings. It isn’t about guns. We’ve always had guns. They’re just a tool.
If having a firearm is about "compensating for male inadequacies," then does this mean women with guns have Penis Envy? And what does "gun equals penis" say about all those who want to take the guns all away?
Seventies Pop Psych author Dr. Joyce Brothers said the same thing about guns...then her own husband was caught with one 🙂
Pop-Up Video Factoid: Dr. Sigmund Freud held that fear of guns, not possession of guns, was a sign of psychological problems. Smoke on thst if you got one, so to speak! 🙂
While we have reasoned arguments, all you have is junior high school boy's room dick jokes you picked up while visiting said boy's room for pay.
That also indicates the point in your life when your intellectual development ceased.
"...the only viable solution: less guns"
Gun controllers have been beating this drum for as long as I can remember [sometime in the 60s], and where has it gotten you? Your "supply side" and monolithic approach has failed, and yet you keep trying the same approach over and over and somehow expecting a different result. Which is how Einstein defined insanity.
If you had any knowledge of the subject beyond a hysterical "ban assault rifles" mantra, you would know that just as many mass shootings happen with other guns [Steven Cho, Va Tech, Glock 19 and Walther .22]; at the time of the AWB 1994 there were estimated to have been around 400,000 AR type rifles privately owned; now, according to the NSSF, there are about 20 million.
All you've done is create 1] demand and 2] advocacy and resistance. As of today 25 of 50 states have "constitutional carry" and the remainder have provisions for concealed carry permits.
You've failed in your efforts, and the most sensible approach is to realize that "it's foolish to place our trust in authority or to surrender our ability to protect ourselves and our loved ones." The mass shootings that did not happen were invariably stopped by a person or persons who were armed and assumed the responsibility and the risk of protecting themselves and others.
They do not actually care about gun violence. Or children. If they cared about gun violence, they would be spending their "DO SOMETHING" energy on the inner cities, where the vast majority of gun murders are not committed with "assault rifles." But they blissfully ignore all the mass shooting that take place in Chicago and Baltimore every weekend. If they cared about children, they'd be spending their DO SOMETHING energy on all the children who get hit by stray bullets in playgrounds.
We've had wall-to-wall coverage of Uvalde, but there's barely even a mention of those kids because it doesn't help their narrative.
People like raspberry, Joe Friday, and Molly are rotten pieces of shit who only care about politically convenient dead kids.
"People like raspberry, Joe Friday, and Molly are rotten pieces of shit who only care about politically convenient dead kids."
I can think of absolutely no reason to disagree with this statement. Sad, but true.
Two kids under the age of 10 were killed in Pittsburg and Philly this weekend, both in drive by shootings. One was 9, the other was 1 year old. Nobody cares about those dead kids.
This is the result of bd democrat policies in mental health and primary education. Guns are just tools.
Funny, gun free zones tend to be the biggest commonality in these events.
If guns caused killing, gun shops would be the most dangerous location on earth and shooting ranges would have Chicago-esque body counts.
how about we remove the "gun free zone" status and simply allow law abiding citizens to carry their firearms into the schools (teachers included). you really should educate yourself about firearms -- you're incredibly ignorant. i carry every day, everywhere i can legally do so. amazingly my pistol has never jumped out of the holster and killed someone. and the many other firearms in my safe have never crawled out and killed people.
Because everyone is law abiding. Until they aren’t.
do you realize that some states allow ccw in schools?
How about 20 armed parents who also don't send their children to Gummint Konformitie Fakturiez and potential human slaughterhouses?
That is what people with minds and not so-called "souls" would support, M'Bitch!
*Tips Kevlar helmet and gives Molly a Dunce Cap.*
WE will give up our rifles when there is no longer any practical need for them for our protectioin. NOT until then. Once "the security of a free state" has returned, the need for EVERTHING else dimishes. Police/military top that list.
Me I don't put my gumboots out in the shed until the witer's gnarly weather is gone and settled into warm spring an summer. AIn't puttin' up my guns till there has been no need of them for quite a long spell. Even then it won't ever take much to "find" them again.
They want guns out of the hands of norml folks, they've got some hard work to do keeping freaks like this guy at Uvalde school on a vERY short leash. they keep faiing at that, I'll take up the slack on what NEEDS doing. So will a few hundred million more.
"...A disproportionate share of COVID deaths since June 1, 2021, came from Florida counties DeSantis won in 2018. About 49% of fatalities were among those counties’ residents, when just 40% of the state’s population live in those places.
Just 63% of Floridians living in De-Santis-won counties have gotten at least one vaccine dose, compared with 75% in counties that went Democratic in 2018. About 70% of Florida residents are at least partially vaccinated, state Health Department figures show.
About 62% of deaths since June 1 were logged in counties where vaccination rates are below the statewide average.
More than 70% of COVID-positive patients in Palm Beach County hospitals during the delta variant wave last summer were unvaccinated, according to statistics county commissioners required hospitals to report from August to October. The figure was similar in Miami- Dade County during the omicron wave.
The state Agency for Health Care Administration, which collects data about whether people who died in hospitals were vaccinated, chooses not to report those numbers. Nor does the federal government.
The unvaccinated accounted for 81.5% of COVID deaths nationwide between June 2021 and March, data that Florida and other states send to the CDC shows...."
Your political rantings barely disguised as a concern for the health of people you hate is absurd.
REM Joe_Friday.bas
REM An effective Joe Friday bot
10 PRINT "COVID!"
20 PRINT "RUSSIA!"
30 PRINT "GUN CONTROL!"
50 GOTO 10
Dammit 40, *grumble* edit button *grumble*.
40 isn't necessary. The standard of skipping 10 is to be able to add lines in between without renumbering everything. You just left your bot more room for future dnc talking points, NBD.
Agreed. Format was acceptable.
"4 bit" [per hour] is a troll account here for the sole purpose of posting media matters talking points. As you can see this is an article about guns but 4 bit is stuck on vaccines. It'll probably come back around later when the talking points are posted for copy pasta.
And fuck Joe Biden with Joe Friday's 4 bit dick.
and we don't give a shit. here's a news flash: covid ended a long time ago. some places it never happened.
It will probably make a comeback. Conveniently timed to enable more election fraud at the mid terms
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Stuff your head up your ass, steaming pile of lefty shit.
I see your point - desantis is evil because he gave people the fucking choice to take a vaccine. Those who chose poorly died in excessive amounts. So the fuck what? Isn’t that the whole point of freedom Joe? To choose what to do with your life? If they want to roll the dice with no vaccine - who am I to stop them? Don’t force anyone to do shit. Not like they’re hurting anyone else anyways.
Great advice, unless you live somewhere that is at all blue politically.
You know, where they treat the constitution a guideline not a rule.
I seem to find a lot of the left don't consider the constitution a guideline at all.
I know we had to study it in school, but I wonder if they do anymore. The left doesn't understand separation of powers, checks and balances, or the constitutional principles of limited and restricted central government and federalism. They just think the executive can rule by fiat and SHOULD rule by fiat, as long as he's not republican.
i think you spelt 'toilet paper' wrong
Do you ever wonder what motivates people like Joe and Molly to post comments on Reason? Is it a form of psychosis, or at least delusional anger? Do they feel like they have joined a political crusade to smite the infidels? Just trolling?
I think they are an open invitation to learn about the mute feature.
Act Blue employs trolls just like Joe Friday
https://secure.actblue.com/available-positions
Funny how the Friday troll account is spitting out verbiage on COVID in an article about gun control. Not even persons, just bots.
he gets paid by the keystroke. content is optional
Day jobs. Act blue has been paying people for 2 decades.
Nobody is going to pay anyone to post on this backwater comments board. That's got to most intellectually lazy explanation in the history of lameness.
Cite?
Common sense, of which you have none.
Ideas!
You have a better one?
Yeah. Some people actually believe that stuff. Saying they're getting paid is just an intellectually lazy way to dismiss them without thought. It's just as lazy as when the retards on this board try to say I'm running several accounts because to them the possibility of several people saying similarly libertarians things can only be explained by one person running the account.
Ok so let us assume that there are no paid posters hereabouts [and I believe the allegation is often hyperbolic, as there is no other way to explain the obtuseness of such].
And I am addressing those such as Joe F and Molly G who posts stuff than only be described as talking points or copy pasta. There is no discussion with such, it is here is what I believe and you must too. So that makes them either ideologues or just plain stupid.
I can live with that.
There is no discussion with such, it is here is what I believe and you must too.
Of course there's no discussion. Nobody discusses with them. Most people here fling poo like monkeys. It's as much on the assholes in these comments as it is on them.
After the same tired, discredited arguments have been refuted more than a dozen times, it just makes sense to go straight to insults.
What motivates the people (you know who you are) who post here for the sole purpose of whining and crying and bitching and moaning about how Reason is a bunch of leftists because the complainers' simple intellects can't comprehend any other possible explanation for being critical of the last president?
It would be ok if the did as much complaining about the current one.
Ah yes. More JesseAz/Tony logic. Not doing a is doing b, and not doing b is doing a. For Tony not giving is taking and not taking is giving. For JesseAz not praising is condemning and not condemning is praising.
So Reason's failure to complain enough about Biden means they support him, right?
Congrats! You passed Retard Logic with flying colors!
Bullshit. There is zero equivalence between Tony, and Jesse. You just hate Jesse.
And you love him too. Since you never mute him. He’s the closest thing you a friend. Kind of like Joker’s fixation on Batman.
a Border Patrol team that drove 40 miles to the scene defied orders
Emphasis added. In another twist to this episode, perhaps some "reasonable prosecutor" could bring charges against that team.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Clearly didn't stay in their lane, did they?
They're feds. They can tell locals to pound sand and nothing else will happen.
Only in this backwards ass country do we have these kind of insane discussions.
The US would do well to look at a lot of other countries for tips on healthcare, guns, etc. But no, we think we're the best and therefore will continue making stupid fucking decisions.
It’s silly for you to stay here.
Americans still value liberty. Sadly our government, and people like you, do look to other countries on how to get us to give up our freedoms little by little.
But how else can raspberry feel safe?
We should look at failed countries like Europe, where freedoms are so much toilet paper they wipe their asses with?
"The US would do well to look at a lot of other countries for tips on healthcare,"
Does that include abortion laws? Sweden's very liberal law prohibits, in most cases, abortion after just 18 weeks.
you should leave. get the hell out. you obviously hate this country so go live in your european nirvana.
When do you plan on leaving the US for one of those other countries you seem to value so highly? And do you need help packing?
Here is just some of the crime that European Gun-Free and Gun-Controlled Zones put up with on a day-to-day basis:
WHO/Europe--Violence
https://www.euro.who.int/en/health-topics/disease-prevention/violence-and-injuries/areas-of-work/violence
Violence In Europe Much Higher Than Official Records
https://fra.europa.eu/en/news/2021/violence-and-harassment-across-europe-much-higher-official-records
Organized Crime In Europe; A Country-By-Country Breakdown
https://themobmuseum.org/blog/organized-crime-in-europe-a-country-by-country-breakdown/
25 Most Dangerous Cities In Europe
https://www.armormax.com/blog/most-dangerous-cities-in-europe/
And the connection between firearms restrictions and less crime is simply not in evidence, due to differing gun laws, differing gun cultures and differing methodologies between studies:
Do more privately owned firearms lead to more firearm violence?
https://phys.org/news/2021-04-privately-firearms-firearm-violence.html
First comprehensive study on gun violence in Europe identifies alarming trends
https://phys.org/news/2021-12-comprehensive-gun-violence-europe-alarming.html
And this:
Firearms and violence in Europe–A systematic review
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8046231/
Yes, Marxists ,Ike you are always wet to the knees over deference to Europe and the European way. We don’t because we ARE the best. If you like it better in Europe, renounce your citizenship and move there. Not that you were ever a true American in the first place.
"But, as economist Arnold Kling points out, a lot of people say troubling, violent, and extremist things, but very few actually do anything to endanger others."
What an excellent recipe for destroying social solidarity from within! Lots of angry, resentful people spouting hate and a few true believers willing to go out and commit mass murder.
We must all say the same things the same way.
"We must all say the same things the same way."
Like the Founding Fathers who gathered around a table and together signed the founding documents? That's crazy talk.
It's much more fun to stand by and watch society crumble.
But only one side can be permitted to try and fix some societal ills. The other side, of course, is the only cause of them.
The fraying of social solidarity is all about dividing people into warring camps. Once you accept the premise, as you apparently do, that there is one side and the other side, the horse has left the barn.
My solution, and it's half serious, half joking, is to convert half the prisons to mental hospitals. If there's any hope, it seems in taking the mental health of young people seriously, and not just with the application of drugs. Dividing the nation into camps who want fewer, more restricted gun ownership, and those who want more guns with fewer restrictions isn't a step towards healing the damage caused by these mass killings.
Dividing the nation into camps who want fewer, more restricted gun ownership, and those who want more guns with fewer restrictions isn't a step towards healing the damage caused by these mass killings.
There is no need for "healing the damage caused by these mass killings". They are aberrations. They are few and far between.
I had not heard about this until I just read it in this article. Because no "news organization" gives a shit about the murders that didn't happen. But murderers are stopped every day by ordinary people reacting properly to the situation in which they find themselves. If you want healing, seek out these stories and publish them.
We are not in danger. Our kids are not in danger. Quit overreacting to everything. Your pretending to compromise makes you sound more reasonable than babbling idiot Joe Friday which makes you much much worse. There was a noble reason to declare "shall not be infringed" and it is just as important today.
" They are aberrations. They are few and far between."
True. But you're mistaken if you think their damage to society ends with the lives of the victims. I think the true cost is the erosion of social solidarity, trust in our neighbors, trust in our government.
" But murderers are stopped every day by ordinary people reacting properly to the situation in which they find themselves."
Are you not at all concerned that every day someone sets out to commit mass murder? That seems to be the problem, and not whether or not the story you read was adequately publicized.
"We are not in danger. Our kids are not in danger. "
Again, you misunderstand my point. It's the society which is endangered and your insistence of dividing it into two warring camps, and that guns are the heart of the issue, isn't making it safer.
When you compromise on the prohibiting of the best tools designed for self-defense of the people, you clearly don't believe in the people.
A nuclear bomb, a tank, a rocket launcher are all incredibly inefficient for personal defense. Firearms and ammunition are easy to use, affordable, and safe for storage. They are so easily obtained that banning their possession is pointless. Unless, of course, you wish to suppress the population as a whole.
Socrates wrote about this. It's wrong to return the sword to a mad man, even if the sword is his by rights.
"you clearly don't believe in the people. "
Worse still, I don't think the framers of the constitution, were they to visit us today, would believe in the people. They wrote that document believing that the people it governed were god fearing, common sensical, and capable of bearing the burden of responsible citizenship. Were they here today, I don't think they'd like the cut of our jibs. A blow to your pride, no doubt, but there you have it.
Were they here today, I don't think they'd like the cut of our jibs. A blow to your pride, no doubt, but there you have it.
The fact that you think I would find that insulting tells me everything I need to know about you. Elitism is just tyranny by committee.
Convert the prisons into mental hospitals? OK, you first!
Fuck Off, Watermelon Rickshaw Man!
Was that before or after they armed themselves and declared open war against the people who were trying to restrict their freedoms?
Sometimes you can reach an acceptable accommodation for both sides. And sometimes, you need guns to protect your own rights.
" And sometimes, you need guns to protect your own rights."
I wouldn't call taking a gun to a school and committing mass murder protecting your rights. With rights come responsibilities. Responsibilities like not committing mass murder. This impulse to defend or minimize mass murder as protecting gun rights is perverse and indicates the depth of the damage I mentioned earlier to social solidarity.
I wouldn't call taking a gun to a school and committing mass murder protecting your rights.
Nobody did. Why the fuck would you engage in such dishonest discourse?
"Nobody did. "
Many mass murderers do in manifestos they write before they die. If you haven't read them, blame the media, as it seems almost a reflex action for you. Your impulse to defend the rights of these killers to obtain the weapons they use is perverse.
Your refutation is embarrassingly poor. You provide no evidence of any manifesto where a gunman justified his actions to protect gun rights.
I accept that people have agency, though some may abuse it, an inevitable result in a free society. You would subsume individual self-defense in an illogical effort to protect a vanishingly small number from mass-murder, thereby making the success of such attempts to commit mass-murder more likely by insuring there will be no armed resistance.
Your impulse to limit access to the best tools by which the people might defend themselves against these killers is what is perverse.
"Your impulse to limit access to the best tools by which the people might defend themselves against these killers is what is perverse."
You still haven't grasped the point I've been trying to make. You've said yourself these killings are aberrant and few and far between, and I agree. What you haven't got is my point that the damage done by these incidents is to the social solidarity, and no amount of gun ownership is going to heal that.
"You would subsume individual self-defense in an illogical effort to protect a vanishingly small number from mass-murder"
Again, you misunderstand me. I haven't said anything about removing your ability to defend yourself. The answer, if there is one, doesn't hinge on more guns or less guns. It's an issue of mental health. I've said as much in comments you should read if you're going to take the trouble to respond.
"You provide no evidence of any manifesto where a gunman justified his actions to protect gun rights."
Pick your favorite mass murderer and read his manifesto. Save it for the beach this summer unless you've got something else in mind.
Here’s the deal. No matter what you do, you will not rid yourself the existence of bad people intent on evil. And if you attempt to exert total control by destroying rights in an attempt to do so, then congratulations. YOU are now the bad man intent on evil.
THE ONLY DEFENSE against evil people is to protect yourself. Empowering the people to take the necessary steps and acquire the necessary tools is the best solution. And then, you can focus on doing the good things you can do without infringing on rights with the understanding that you can’t save the world, but you can make it a little better for a handful of people. And that is enough.
"Empowering the people to take the necessary steps and acquire the necessary tools is the best solution. "
What are the necessary tools to prevent damage to the social solidarity? More guns for everyone? How does that restore faith and trust in our neighbors and governments and institutions?
"And if you attempt to exert total control by destroying rights "
My suggestion was more focus on mental health for young people, which you have completely ignored. I am not interested in destroying your rights.
I wouldn't call taking a gun to a school and committing mass murder protecting your rights.
no one here is doing that. What planet you occupying these days?
I carry a gun not to protect my RIGHTS, but to protect my LIFE. My rights are just fine.... as long as I CAN carry a gun legally, or not legally but not get punished for it.
Read recently about a man who's right to arms had been taken because he had committed soe sort of victimless process "crime", thus cannot pass the NICS check. He was carrying one anyway, came into a situation where innoicent lives were endangered by a REAL criminal with REAL victoms in view, he used that gun to end the likely massacre, and was not charged with the "felon in possessioin" rap. Justice.
On the other hand, the perp attempting the REAL crime who was also a felon in possession (but a REAL one) ended his crime carrer that day.
"I wouldn't call taking a gun to a school and committing mass murder protecting your rights. "
Your mental health is probably not a problem. That's good.
You don't need to convince me that guns can be useful in some situations. My argument is that making guns more available or less available are not going to address the problem of the erosion of social solidarity. That's more an issue of mental health, especially for young people.
The “solidarity” tell.
The brought down the communist regime in Poland tell.
Anti-Marxism is good.
Social solidarity is better. It can ensure social harmony and it's an essential component of bringing down tyranny. Marxism has inspired many who fight against tyranny. Close to home examples are the militants of Black Lives Matter, or the Standing Rock Sioux tribes.
The “militants of Black Lives Matter” are definitely not one of society’s “warring camps.”
If only the Army Corps of Engineers would set vicious dogs on them.
My favorite form of Marxism is kind where they don’t want a global Marxist revolution, and forcing everyone who doesn’t agree into camps. That kind of solidify is, in fact, tyranny.
Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure. At the point that your Marxism doesn’t work so badly that you’re only option is to force the whole world into broken Marxism against their will, killing and imprisoning anyone who gets in your way, you’re definitely not doing my favorite kind of Marxism.
My one of my favorite kinds of Marxism is the kind where, if you want to do Marxism, go find Marxists and do it with them, and let other people do their own Marxism.
My favorite kind of Marxism takes it further. it embraces the Labor Theory of Value: I have, through my labor, created my value, and I would like to decide for myself what is done with that value, and not have every other Marxist decide for me.
You think Marxism and social solidarity are the same thing. You've been drinking the libertarian koolaid a little too deeply.
There’s a difference between me talking about something you’re not thinking of, and confusing the two things.
That is exactly what you were hoping for, wasn't it? It was all theater in the first place. What tyranny were they fighting? I don't think you quite understand the word.
FFS; muted.
Social solidarity is better than freedom. Got it.
To effectively fight tyranny, sometimes personal freedom has to be sacrificed. It's a very bitter truth, but one that must be learned. In times of struggle, even paying the ultimate price is called for. On the other hand, in any struggle, solidarity is key. A fighting force without solidarity is just a rabble, and not likely to accomplish anything significant.
To effectively fight tyranny, sometimes personal freedom has to be sacrificed.
Sure it does, Robespierre. Don't come crying to me when you get your head chopped off like you deserve.
I understand you treasure your personal freedom. But it sometimes has to take second place to maintain social solidarity, especially when the stakes are high as in a struggle against tyranny. It is terribly unfair of course but that's the way of the world.
It is terribly unfair of course but that's the way of the world.
Is that what you told your Japanese schoolmates, you ancient brokedown asshole?
Maybe you could relate that to my Hmong friend? You will have to type it out, as he was completely deafened from the shelling of his village by the government that was rooting out tyrannical colonialism. You won't be able to relate it to his parents who were executed and tossed into the village well. All true, man. His sister wrote a book about their experience.
You Marxist apologists are all the same. Not a single example of when that shit ever worked except that the trains to the prison camps ran on time.
Hmong are tribal people. They are bound by family, clan and tribal traditions. Not your personal freedom which grew from Enlightenment thinking. Freedom of religion, speech etc are not characteristic of tribal societies like the Hmong. Taboo and banishment are the order of the day.
Personal freedoms sometimes have to take second place to group solidarity if great tasks are at stake. They teach this at army boot camp from day one. I don't see anything Marxist about this, it's just the way of the world.
You must give up freedom to defend it? Why is it that the real enemies of this republic are blathering about solidarity, after they spent an entire presidential term destroying it? You progtards are the reason people are divided, it's always your way or the highway, and if people don't agree with the progressive bullshit, then those people are radical, racist, homophobes, xenophobes, terrorists, etc. When the likes of you say "we need solidarity" what you really mean is "let us have our way". So take your pointy finger, jamb it up your ass and spin. How about trying to really compromise with others instead of pretending, and maybe then there will be solidarity, because the ball is actually in your court.
"You must give up freedom to defend it?"
Yes.
"Why is it that the real enemies of this republic are blathering about solidarity, after they spent an entire presidential term destroying it?"
Mass school shootings. They do their bit to undermine trust in our neighbors, our governments, our institutions. Without trust and a faith in each other, society is vulnerable to be torn asunder.
"How about trying to really compromise with others instead of pretending, and maybe then there will be solidarity, because the ball is actually in your court."
I'm not sure it's worth the effort. The nation is doomed to division and dissolution.
the "militants of black lives maatter" is/was neither valid nor acceptable. They were out to destroy and divide, and did well at both. THEY are/were part of the problem, as their madness has led in signficant part to today's breakdown and lawlessness.
"militants of black lives maatter"
I've had a soft spot in my heart for them since they booed Al Sharpton off the stage in Ferguson way back when.
why do you assume that "troubling, violent, and extremist things" must be hate? you can't know that hate (a motivation) without a lot more investigation.
Troubling, violent and extremist things may be rational and reasonable arguments and ideas that rational and reasonable people have. Hate is a strong emotion. Add that and all bets are off. A young man can have troubling ideas, but throw in hate, and he goes to a school and murders children.
maybe. someone can commit horrid acts without the motivation of hate -- some people are just evil. my point is that you can't just assume there is a hateful motivation my the action. that is just stupidity.
I'm not sure what your point is. "These mass school shootings are nothing to get excited about. The perpetrators are just evil, after all." It's almost as though you are trying to excuse them.
no i'm not. the shooter is an evil bastard who should be quickly executed. i'm just saying that people are too quick to assert hate without any evidence. this knee jerk reaction is why we have "hate crimes", which are totally wrong. do you want "hate speech" laws that canada, europe and australia has? precision matters and making statements like "that was a hate crime" is just ignorance. and it really doesn't matter if the shooter hated anyone. he murdered people and that is enough to execute the guy.
" and it really doesn't matter if the shooter hated anyone. "
Motives matter. Depending on what your motives were in perpetrating a murder, you might end up in the gas chamber or a life sentence behind bars, or even less. Those who commit mass murder may do so out of insanity, in which case execution may not be a fitting punishment.
If you are concerned that the perpetrators of these mass murders might be unjustly charged with hate crimes, you can rest easy. They usually die in the act as suicide seems to have been an integral goal from the start.
in my world all murderers are executed, regardless of motive.
Just a couple hundred years ago, in England, dogs who killed sheep were tried in a court and publicly executed, by hanging.
STFU, eat shit and die. Make your family proud, asshole.
OK, I have to say, that non-sequitur was so far out there that it made me laugh. If you are going to do fallacy, at least keep it funny.
There is a reason why your teams' mascot is a braying jack ass.
yeah, the word 'hate" has largely become a substitute for nasty or objectinable on some obtuse basis other than reality. Hate is always evil but evil is not always a manifestation of hate.
I'm beginning to think that "Joe Friday" is Rev. Kirkland's sock puppet.
It's a bot. Hilarious how it gets off subject.
Meanwhile, Justin "Freeze the plebs' accounts" Trudeau just announced a handgun freeze in Canada because everyday Canadians have nothing to fear from... uh...
Also, 50 shot, 9 dead over the 3-day weekend in Chicago. No word on whether police were standing around or not when it happened. Some were probably asleep at some point.
"Once freed from her cuffs, Ms. Gomez made her distance from the crowd, jumped the school fence, and ran inside to grab her two children,"
Not to criticize Ms. Gomez, but couldn't she have led their entire class out?
I'm certain any of the other trapped students would have been more than welcome to follow. Maybe they were more concerned with "chust followink oadahs". Well trained often means dead. Especially when gummit are calling the shots. Or not.
Gun grabbers do not realize how much emphasizing things like Parkland and Uvalde kill their case.
The police cannot be relied upon to save you. Period. Only you can save you.
the more so as most sentient beings here in the US are all too aware of the long history, fastidiously ignored by the gummit dweebs "entrusted" with dealing wiht such things, has both of these sick perps well known to public officils tasked with minding and dealing with such things, yet did NOTHING. the Parklend perp is known tohave committed AT LEAST four felony level crimes that were never prosecuted. Had any ONE of them been, he'd have been on the DENY roster when he went to buy his murder weapon. The school district preferred getting their $Mn54 prize for reducing their ARREST rates amongst high school students, which they had done.. BY WAY OF simply sweeping the crimes under the table and not reporting or dealing with them. They did NOT redice their CRIME rates, did they? Fish of a different colour. but OH so important, I'd say.
A colleague in the parade yesterday was using the old metaphor about three kinds of people - vast majority are sheep, a few are wolves, and a few need to be sheepdogs. Because the wolves will always have guns, and there won't always be a sheepdog around - and some may not want to do their guarding duties - it is necessary for some of the sheep to learn self-defense else the wolves end up taking over the farm. Another guy chimed in with the old "two wolves and a sheep democratically deciding 'what's for lunch.'" My observation was that democracy is usually two sheep and one wolf voting on "what's for lunch" and one of the sheep votes with the wolf because he thinks it will be the other sheep who gets to be lunch.
"vast majority are sheep, a few are wolves, and a few need to be sheepdogs. "
There are also huskies, which can be every bit as bad as wolves in their anti-sheep ways, if not worse, unless kept restrained.
Then there’s cats. They’re the worst.
Don't underestimate rabbits. They're jerks.
I'm a dolphin myself.
John McAffee would have loved you, literally. 🙂
my cat eats rabbit faces. leaves me the rest.
Hawks. Found a rabbit head in the yard. Just the head. Like the bird was sending a message.
the neighborhood hawk stalks my birdseed pile & gets a dove once in awhile. tears them up like it's a Viking Punishment
Presumably the message was, heads fall off and aren't tasty enough to go back for. Personally I think the hawk was wrong, fried rabbit ears are delicious and the cartilage has a nice crunchy texture.
Oh, he came back for it. My wife demanded I take care of it, but when I went to do so, it was gone.
The message was: My beak is a guillotine, to struggle is futile.
After I saw the aftermath of a German Shepherd that went after an eagle on the ground, I have a incredible respect for raptors.
Bald or Golden Eagle? Goldens are so damned fierce they will kill an antelope one ripping bite at a time. I've seen videos of them rolling down a mountainside entangled with a goat and still coming out as the ultimate predator.
My son managed to get a beautiful picture of the dog charging, the bald eagle rolled backwards, wings full-spread on the ground beneath it. Moments later it had blinded the dog in both eyes with its talons.
He didn't take any pictures afterwards...
Woodchucks are bad.
And never trust a goat with your produce.
There is always the possibility of being what Aristotle called "Man, The Rational Animal," who can craft weapons to take them all down if any of them try to attack or stampede him.
UNARMED NINE-YEAR-OLD OUTSHINES THE POLICE
My wife just read an article containint an interview with one of the surviving kids from the Texas shooting: it seems he and a couple of friends saw the shooter and rushed into a room. The aforementioned nine-year-old then tried to block the door and was shot in the shoulder, taking one for his friends.
I am pretty sure nothing else need to be said.
anyone else here remembe r the incident a few years back where a dirtbag invaded a family at home, Dad off at work, Mum and three kids home. The SIX year old went and got Dad's revolver, came back and chased the dirtbag off. Can't remember the specifics, whether he actually fired it and wheter he scored if he did. Perp made an informed decision to "shop" elsewhere. Mum and three kids safe, if somewhat animated.......
and my favourite, the home that got invaded mid afternoon, perp pushed Mum into the kitchen, grabbed a long chef's knife and began forcing himself on Mum. Eleven year old Son rces upstairs, fetches up his Daisey BB rifle, rushes into kitchen, begins peppering perp in the face as fast as he can crnk that lever and chamber another ball. Perp took a few nasty hits and also made an informed decision. Was arrested at hospital as he sought treatment for his BB wounds. He sirvived toface charges.
Eleven year old SHOULD be rewarded with his very own mde to fit AR attern rifle. Too bad THOSE two had not been at school with their favourite toys.
From the benefit of hindsight?
It's been standard operating procedure for several years to take out a shooter as soon as you can, before he kills more people.
Did they never hear of Parkland or Las Vegas or the criticism police took for letting those rampages continue?
I think the explanation that such police are local, minimally trained cops who do not want to look bad; they are public sector union employees who want to collect their pay and retire with benefits.
Which leaves us two options; either assume responsibility for your own immediate protection [cops minutes away--assuming they don't arrive and diddle in the hallway for an hour--when your life is measured in seconds] or impose such an authoritarian regime that any an all possible sources of harm are forcibly removed--by government violence as necessary--so as to minimize the possibility of anyone doing anything bad to others.
The first option is not just feasible but occurs on a daily basis [as with the mass shootings that didn't happen because someone acted]; the second is a dystopian nightmare and will result in more violence than we can even imagine.
It goes back to the old chestnut: "Who watches The Watchmen?" --Cervantes.
you are your own first responder. if you don't have firearms then you're a fool. also, carry a firearm with you always. a firearm is a tool and it does no one any good locked up and unloaded.
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Exactly this. It goes even further as it always seemed to amaze the receptionist at the local clinic when she asked who my primary care provider was and I responded - me. I'm so glad work stopped with the stupid weekly covid testing and went to self assessment, meaning if you're sick, stay home - duh.
Most officers don't have personal stakes in the incidents to which they respond,
Bull-fucking shit. That's exactly what their oath is for.
Overall good article. Thanks JD.
ban males, ban children, ban schools, ban police ...
Cars, swimming, pools, cell phones...if it saves one life.
Reported on an ABC YT vid:
Turns out the Uvalde school district recently held a training session for shooters in schools. The cops were instructed that the first priority was to engage the shooter, and:
"A first responder unwilling to place the lives of the innocent above their own safety should consider another career field"
Now let's see if they walk the talk.
I think we already have the answer. There will be no walking whatsoever since they might twist an ankle while taking pot shots at a small dog that's just trying to pee in the yard.
One could take the articles title in another way. If you want to protect your loved ones, do it yourself by electing national, state and local officials who will pass sensible gun regulations.
When a candidate says they support the second amendment, ask them what that means. Do they support it with no exceptions, or do they think that it is possible to regulate gun ownership and use within a regulated framework.
Do they support it with no exceptions, or do they think that it is possible to regulate gun ownership and use within a regulated framework.
Do they support the Constitution or just plan to give "shall not be infringed" lip service. That is a great question!
Is the second amendment absolute? It does not seem that way to me, as we already have regulation prohibiting people like felons from having guns and regulations prohibiting access to automatic weapons. How would some sensible regulation contradict the second amendment when existing ones are accepted as within the framework of the 2nd amendment?
There is no law that would stop this, just like there was no law that would have stopped Cain from using the rock.
Punishing the law-abiding for the acts of the law-breaking is insane.
Is the second amendment absolute? It does not seem that way to me
Then you are willfully ignorant. There was existing jurisprudence limiting the rights of criminals and the insane when it was written. Likewise regarding the prohibition of weapons to intimidate or cause fear. Conflating and confusing the issue with "automatic weapons" (even fully automatic weapons are legal to own), makes you either guilty of some just plain ignorance or deliberate fallacy as well.
If you can't posit a scenario by which tiny-dick-murder-boy more efficiently kills 2 adults and 19 kids with his truck, you are just an idiot.
those "laws" are not law at all, but WE THE PEOPLE have knuclked under and accepted them
This incident and the pushback after the FACT are part of a naitonaluprising agaisnt such stuidity as restricting OUR OWN right to arms. READ that Second Article of Ammendment, understand the common meaning of that time of the various terms used in it.
Once a felon has paid his debt to society ALL his rights return. If he is not capable of being left to roam about in society freely with a firearm, he oughtn't be allowed to so roam without a qualifid custodian. IF he's no longer a danger, let him take up arms again, If he IS a danger he MUST remain separated from the rest of society.
As to "fully automatic". bogus argument. The term "arms" means any weapon of military usefulness able to be moved about and deployed by a single operator or perhaps with some assistance. Field cannon were "arms" under the meaning of the term in 1770's. So were main cannon, and even privateer sailing vessels armed with signficant firepower. Many ship owners/captains had been granted "letters of marque and reprisal" which essentially made them naval vessels. They were called "privateers".
Fuck you
Sounds a lot like the FDA. The last thing we need is federal dumb asses trying to protect society from itself which likely means so social interaction whatsoever.
* no social interaction.
Stupid edit button.
Has it been determined which smoker in the faculty of the school left the back door open?
Phillip. Phillip Morris.
There was a graduation ceremony going on, so parents were coming and going all day long.
That's right. Pay taxes and do what you paid for yourself. You should also get some personal nukes and be your own military
The scariest sign that I would see as a delivery man was "Gun Free Zone".
yu mention "the criminal acts of Derek Chauvin". He committed no crime. He was acting in perfect complaince with training he and his Second in that call in dealing with those exhibiting certain signs of drug overdose. The punk that is dead, and whose death sparked lawless rioting and murder and destruction across the nation had killed himself with a four ties lethal dose of fantanyl, and a twi=ce-plus lethal dose of methamphetiamine. He'd have died at almost exactly the same time had the cops never "contacted" him. He sealed his own fate by swallowing those lethal drugs.
OK, you follow REASON's advice and you use a firearm to protect yourself, your family and property. BANG! Dead felon. You are then smeared by the mainstream media and railroaded by "progressive" district attorneys. Look at the McMichaels and Kyle Rittenhouse.
The crimes of Derek Chauvin and his buddies...
Well, now, maybe the Uvalde officers were thinking of the "crimes" of Chauvin et alia and did not want to go down for having offed a "teen."
You get what you demand.
Well in case anyone hasn't seen the obvious..............
MOST of the Government is ALREADY working for the criminals....
They confess it every-time they talk about STEALING from those people and giving you 10% *FREE*..... What.... Do are citizens really so stupid that they thought politicians EARNED that stimulus money they sent you???? THEY STOLE IT by Gov-Gun ARMED ROBBERY!!!!
Just like Nazi's (syn; National Socialists) do.....