The FDA Completely Botched Its Response to the Baby Formula Shortage
Plus: Resurrecting an extinct tiger, reviewing the police response to the Uvalde shooting, and more...

Officials say the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was slow to respond to a crippling shortage of baby formula in part because a crucial report got lost in the mail.
In testimony to a House subcommittee this week, FDA Commissioner Robert Califf confirmed that a whistleblower report detailing potentially unsanitary conditions at the Abbott Nutrition baby formula plant in Michigan did not reach the proper officials at the agency because of a mistake in the agency's mailroom. The Washington Post reported earlier this week that the 34-page report took four months to reach the proper desk at the FDA. By the time it did, several infants had been sickened by tainted formula from the plant, which was shut down in February. That closure (along with protectionist regulations and trade policy) triggered the ongoing national shortage.
The mailroom mix-up was only one example of how the FDA screwed up its response to the Abbott plant's problems. In testimony to Congress, Califf said the agency's decisions were "too slow" at the start and "suboptimal along the way."
The FDA knew that ordering a shutdown at the Abbott plant would "create supply problems but had no choice given the facility conditions," Califf said. Despite that, he said the agency did not alert the White House of the potential shortages at first.
"The FDA, at every step of this process, dropped the ball," House Appropriations Committee Chair Rosa DeLauro (D–Conn.) told Politico.
Califf told lawmakers on Thursday that he expects the baby formula shortage to ease within two months. That might be only small comfort to parents who are scrambling to feed their infants, or trying to figure out how to DIY batches of replacement formula.
FDA Commissioner Dr. Robert Califf on infant formula: "My expectation is that within two months we should be beyond normal…" pic.twitter.com/vQF3cZtJsC
— CSPAN (@cspan) May 26, 2022
There's no way to know whether the shortage would be less severe if the FDA had processed the October whistleblower report with more speed or if the agency's response hadn't been hamstrung by typical bureaucratic incompetence. But it is a pretty sure bet that the market would have adapted to the supply crunch if layers of protectionist rules and regulations didn't stand in the way.
Coming on the heels of the FDA's major screw-ups during the COVID-19 pandemic—including blocking access to COVID tests early in the pandemic and being slow to approve vaccines later on—the agency's apparently myriad failures in responding to the problems at Abbott Nutrition and subsequent refusal to get out of the way so markets could address the resulting shortage is damning. American babies are going hungry because the country's top public health bureaucrats botched some of their most basic functions.
Perhaps we should be glad Califf didn't try claiming that the dog ate his homework.
FREE MINDS
The Tasmanian tiger, uh, finds a way? The last known member of the species died in 1936, but a scientist in Australia believes he might be able to resurrect the big stripy marsupial, also known as a thylacine, using genetic material drawn from a dunnart, a small Aussie rodent. Via The Washington Post:
Here's the plan to bring it back: First, turn dunnart cells into thylacine cells using gene-editing technology. Then use the thylacine cells to create an embryo, either in a petri dish or the womb of a living animal. Implant the embryo into a female marsupial such as a quoll, and watch the quoll give birth to a thylacine baby. When the baby is old enough to leave the quoll pouch, raise it into adulthood. Repeat and establish a healthy population, with the goal of releasing thylacines into the wild.
FREE MARKETS
Americans are responding to record-high gas prices by consuming less gasoline. From The Wall Street Journal:
Demand for gasoline in mid-May fell to one of its lowest levels for this time of year in nearly a decade, according to government data. The drop is an early indicator that rising gas prices are prompting some Americans to change their driving habits ahead of Memorial Day weekend and what is typically the peak summer driving season….
Gasoline demand, measured on a four-week rolling average through May 20, fell to 8.8 million barrels, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Excluding 2020's steep drop in demand during pandemic lockdowns, the last time average demand for this time of year was lower was in 2013.
Yes, price signals work!
FOLLOW-UP
Police waited outside for more than half an hour as a lone gunman killed students and teachers inside an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, investigators told the media on Thursday.
While refusing to engage the shooter who was murdering children inside the school, the cops did restrain parents who tried to aid their kids, according to video footage obtained by The New York Times. Other videos from the scene seem to show a shockingly low level of urgency on the part of police as the shooter was still murdering children in the school.
Texas Department of Public Safety spokesperson Chris Olivarez also clarified Thursday that early reports about a school resource officer engaging the shooter before he entered the school were false.
But police say the shooter, Salvador Ramos, did fire his weapon outside the school building for about 12 minutes before entering, apparently unobstructed, through an unlocked door. It was nearly 90 minutes later before Ramos was finally confronted and killed by law enforcement. The entire timeline of the shooting seems to condemn law enforcement's handling of the tragic situation.
In fact, this pretty much sums up everything we've learned so far about the police response in Uvalde:
Texas Police Lieutenant Says Cops Were Reluctant to Engage Gunman Because 'They Could've Been Shot'https://t.co/Af393QBrpC
— Mediaite (@Mediaite) May 26, 2022
President Joe Biden is scheduled to visit Texas on Sunday and meet with some of the victims' families. Biden said Thursday that he has "the utmost respect" for law enforcement and brushed off calls for an investigation into the police response in Uvalde.
QUICK HITS
• Nearly 4,000 civilians have been killed during the first three months of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, according to the United Nations.
• Biden is still pushing to forgive up to $10,000 in student loans per borrower, which would still be a massive giveaway to many of America's most successful residents.
• Newly revealed documents show how the federal government plans to survive apocalyptic scenarios.
• Researchers say there could be four "malicious" alien civilizations living within the Milky Way galaxy—though they admit the study has some obvious limitations.
• About right:
Entire U.S. Police Force Flees Country After Hearing Gunman Inside Nation https://t.co/zknaoDPclG pic.twitter.com/9vp3JlMFxH
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Officials say the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was slow to respond to a crippling shortage of baby formula in part because a crucial report got lost in the mail.
I knew it had to be the US Postal Service!
The most adorable part is that Boehm seems to actually believe this explanation.
Last I heard, no illness was directly linked to the formula. They inspected the plant looking for a source before the formula was ruled out and found a bunch of violations. The round up seems to suggest otherwise. Has that changed?
That's still my understanding, and it's irritating that Boehm just accepts the predominating narrative that the formula was tainted and killed babies.
The last I heard, they found a bunch of violations, but no direct link to the illness in the babies, which was caused by a pretty specific strain of bacteria.
So then, Trump's fault.
Well, he did steal all those mailboxes to thwart voting back in 2020!
He now uses them as trash receptacles at Trump Tower.
Better headline:
Officials say the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) was slow to respond to a crippling shortage of baby formula in part because a crucial report was eaten by the dog.
The email got lost in the series of tubes because too many college kids were pirating movies.
More likely porn clogged up the tubes. It has happened before.
Odd. Usually porn unclogs the tubes.
Reminder: this is all intentional.
Louis lost his head for much, much less abuse of the people than our current ruling cabal is doing.
The article claims that the mistake was made in the agency's mail room, so it probably arrived in a timely fashion, thanks to our Postal Service.
...did not reach the proper officials at the agency because of a mistake in the agency's mailroom.
Hell yes. Find the absolute lowest federal employee on staff and throw that fucker under the bus.
More money for training needed!
You mean diversity training, right?
It is convenient, isn't it. Just wait until the Uvalde police fiasco is blamed on the Dispatcher.
Let's see what Reason endorsed writer David Frum has to say
https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1530155055604711425?t=AvbBgiTT5q2C2fqP0YpD9A&s=19
If a gunman in a school is too difficult and dangerous for a typical local police force to handle, the right response is not to condemn local police forces as cowardly. The right response is to discredit the "good guy with a gun" fantasy.
the problem is they don't realize cops aren't necessarily the good guys
But guns are always the bad guys.
That and red suvs
What a fucking prick. It is such a disingenuous argument.
The "Good Guys with a Gun" argument is that an armed population is there AT THE MOMENT the shooter begins shooting.
To say that argument is invalidated because cops on the other side of town failed to do their job is just so much of a dick move.
Especially when those same cops prevented the 'good guys with a gun' from actually entering the school.
If the cops weren't on the scene, parents would have organized and rushed the school in minutes.
The cops stood around for an hour and did nothing while kids got killed. The cops also stood around and did nothing while neigbborhoods burned two years ago. How many innocent kids get shot in places like Chicago and Philadelphia and Baltimore, and the cops don't stop it.
Right now, the ONLY thing protecting people is themselves.
"Just wait until the Uvalde police fiasco is blamed on the Dispatcher."
Holy Shit...it looks like it is actually happening:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-parents-angered-over-police-response-to-shooting-11653665511
According to the latest briefing, the commander on site was not aware that there were still lives at risk, despite the fact that multiple 911 calls were coming in from the class room saying that the gunman was there killing people.
Damn dispatchers not telling Commanders what is up!
Before I advocate this plan, I'm gonna need to know the skin color of the employee who fucked up.
Fuck Joe Biden
Lets go Brandon
Can't put that bumper sticker on your car in certain HOAs.
Petty bureaucrats looking out for each other.
Lets Go Brandon
What about "Fuck My HOA"?
Are they okay with promoting the BLM stuff? Interesting to see.
Fuck Joe Biden
...the agency did not alert the White House of the potential shortages at first.
I mean, it's not like it was going to be a diaper shortage.
It would have been adorable and creative, just like the mask shortage. Thousands of people sewing their own diapers out of old t-shirts.
Only adorable if it's Che t-shirts.
Literal red diaper babies!
Not funny.
whoops, clicked flag instead of reply.
It's red-diaper-doper-babies.
If you're gonna quote Savage, get it right.
Ugh, I knew I was missing part of it!!!
….. though they admit the study has some obvious limitations.
Science harder!
Only safe response is to start launching missiles at other planets.
First, turn dunnart cells into thylacine cells using gene-editing technology. Then use the thylacine cells to create an embryo, either in a petri dish or the womb of a living animal.
If they're going to do a real life Jurassic Park, might as well be in Australia.
… Then use the thylacine cells to create an embryo, either in a petri dish or the womb of a living animal.
Then abort that clump of cells.
Right.
What this world needs is more rodents.
Do these science deniers not know that the theory of evolution includes extinction of inefficient species?
The Dunnart isn't a rodent. It's a marsupial.
Journalists are retarded.
I thought it seemed a bit impossible turning a rodent cell into a marsupial.
The thylacine wasn't inefficient. It was purposely killed off because humans are scared little bitches and it was scary looking.
Look at Tarzan over here.
Only through human intervention is the Panda not extinct.
And what is it with Australia’ bizarre animal population?
I go to the zoo and there’s like 20 different species of antelope that look all the same, but Australia gets dogs with pouches and beavers with duck bills.
Americans are responding to record-high gas prices by consuming less gasoline.
IT WORKED!
Possibly related: (from Bloomberg)
“ Biden’s Approval Slump Hits a Dreary New Milestone
No president has been less popular at 500 days in office. ”
NO PRESIDENT HAD TO FACE OBSTACLES BEFORE
IT'S FOX NEWS... AND THE INTERNET!!!
THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO STOP MiSInfORmAtIoN....
Must keep the other 98% of the media pure.
NO PRESIDENT
HAD TO FACEHAS CREATED SO MANY OBSTACLES BEFOREI'm curious to see what the tourism figures are going to be this year. People are chomping at the bit to get out of their shithole urban behavioral sinks this summer to spend time in low-scale rural areas, but with gas prices being the way they are, I bet a lot of them will end up packing the parks near their house, if they decide to go out at all.
Probably and then any respite from behavioral sink is gone so expect something more wacky then what we've seen this summer in the forms of protest or proposed law.
Most of these urban elites are not harmed by gas prices. It is an annoyance to them to discuss at brunch, but it won't keep them from vacationing in the Rurals.
" . . . or trying to figure out how to DIY batches of replacement formula . . . "
While social media murders babies by hiding formula recipes as "disinformation".
1 can condensed milk
1 can Guinness
Not funny
Formula for Irish twins?
Yeah, but I wasn't going to say the racist part out loud.
Irish isn’t a race.
Cause they aren't humans.
Not really racist either. More of a nickname for adhering to strict catholic beliefs about birth control. I never thought it was derogatory. Is it supposed to be?
I dunno. I was joking around.
Poorly.
Poor Dee.
Mike admits he has racist thoughts.
As a baby I refused Guinness. I preferred whiskey.
Police waited outside for more than half an hour as a lone gunman killed students and teachers inside an elementary school...
I am sure if they were the only ones in possession of legal firearms, they would have gone right in.
In testimony to a House subcommittee this week, FDA Commissioner Robert Califf confirmed that a whistleblower report detailing potentially unsanitary conditions at the Abbott Nutrition baby formula plant in Michigan did not reach the proper officials at the agency because of a mistake in the agency's mailroom.
A mistake in the mailroom? What is this, the 1950s? Haven't these people heard of the Internet and email and web forms? Sheesh. Time for them to modernize the way they do business.
The proper response would be to dismantle the organization.
Maybe this is what you get when your Federal government is still primarily run by octogenarians.
Primarily run by democrats. Who fail upwards.
No offense, but the FDA has had plenty of time to update their own system and if they refuse to do so, might be time to remove them.
All of the taxes we pay plus over a trillion $ in annual borrowing doesn’t provide enough money to upgrade stuff. It would require that money be diverted from diversity training, which is unthinkable.
Of course there is still a mail room. And there is still a fucking mail compliance office. And an Auditor of the compliance office. And a regent to study the training of the Compliance Auditors. And since that all failed, there will be a new office created to ensure that the regent is appropriately staffed to do their duties.
I don't know how, but this country urgently needs to shit-can entire swaths of its government. 6% of our country works in government. That is a huge number of administrators and bureaucrats that add no value- and in fact stand in the way of progress.
I think the most likely way to do this is Rand Paul's budget freeze. We can't cut, but we might get away with holding the budget stable for 6 - 8 years until inflation right-sizes things. Even that will take enormous political capital that likely no party is willing to spend.
Need MORE Money.
Heck the IRS still requires document submittals via fax machine. I haven't had one in years does anyone else even have one anymore
I was asked to fax something to the State because they won't take email. Sent it anyways and said I won't use and don't have a fax.
Telegraph and pony express messages are also acceptable.
We have 2 at my office if 500 users.
While refusing to engage the shooter who was murdering children inside the school, the cops did restrain parents who tried to aid their kids...
Well, those parents were unarmed, so it was the easier task.
The cops were stopping the real crime: bothering a cop.
Had the parents been armed the cops would have killed them.
Some armed parents did save their kids.
Well, they were the cops who went in and got their own kids out, but still...
According to the article I posted below, some are saying they locked the shooter up in a classroom without any cop kids to contain him while they figured out what to do. As long as their kids were safe they didn't give a flying fuck.
The only direct evidence I have seen is from this article:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/uvalde-residents-voice-frustration-over-shooting-response-11653588161
That has a real interview with a cop who went in. He was a state trooper, not one of the on duty police maintaining the perimeter. And he went there unofficially with a friend (whose wife they would learn had been shot) and they managed to bust out some windows and get some kids out of there. It is not clear that they were his kids.
When you look at the articles "confirming" that police went to save their kids, it is based on the vague statement of a PR flak who said basically that "it was very confusing, and yes some officers helped get kids out". But this was an early report, and it was hearsay.
I think the cops acted horribly here, but other than the WSJ article, I have seen no direct evidence that the police at the scene that were manning the perimeter were also saving only their kids.
I believe that police officers should be residents of their jurisdiction. It wouldn't surprise me at all if none of the cops had kids in the school because they live elsewhere or with false overtime make enough dough to send their kids to private schools.
You know that often there are more than one elementary school per jurisdiction, right?
He does not.
Also assumption of every cop has kids on elementary school.
The stawman factory called. Said it's most productive worker was playing hooky.
Poor sarc still doesn’t understand what a strawman is.
No shit. But if they're in a different jurisdiction it's guaranteed that they're not going to give a shit if a school under their protection is shot up.
My point is that they should be part of the community they supposedly serve and protect.
Remember that their first priority is themselves. Officer safety means fuck the children.
This is what defunding the cops looks like.
Like I said early, a microcosm of our nation right now. Cops can't be bothered to chase criminals because they're too busy harassing concerned parents.
those parents are terrorist for saying anything
Researchers say there could be four "malicious" alien civilizations living within the Milky Way galaxy—though they admit the study has some obvious limitations.
Better wipe them out, just in case.
The CIA will arm them.
Get 'em to fight each other!
"Researchers" say a lot of stupid shit when they have no data and are fantasizing about TV shows they watched.
Four? We know about Putin and Dark MAGA. Who are the other two?
Ultra MAGA and Trumpistas.
'What are we, chopped liver' - The QAnon Crew
The Proud Boys have entered the chat.
Dream on, losers.
/moms who complain at PTA meetings.
So specific. Why not 6 or 8? More bullshit made up crap.
But only one confirmed.
The first limitation being that they didn't have anything to study, so it's not really "a study" but more like a thought experiment.
But we've got them pinned down to the Milky Way. Why engage now?
Let’s see. Borg, Cardassians, Romulans, and Klingons?
Don't forget those fat guys that kidnapped giordi (htf do you spell that?). And species ###. And red foreman's race that kept altering the universe.
"Biden is still pushing to forgive up to $10,000 in student loans per borrower, which would still be a massive giveaway to many of America's most successful residents."
Democrats want to help the rich? Who could have predicted this?!
LOL
#OBLsFirstLaw
Is it too late to take out a "college" loan?
Also, does anyone know of colleges based on tropical islands with lots of good looking natives, and programs that focus on leisure studies?
I was accepted to Hawai'i way back when, but didn't end up going.
Me and my buddy applied there and were going to get married to be considered independent, but then we got into a spat about some slutty broad.
I only took out $7500. Will be returned with interest so that I will be covered for the full $10,000. Seems that would be fair. And we are all about fairness, aren't we?
Notice that they didn't pass student loan forgiveness or a minimum wage hike during the first 2 years while they controlled Congress. But they will promise it for the next 2 years, as long as you vote for them. But it's totally not buying votes.
I guess being stupid enough to believe them makes them deserve the votes?
I'm honestly surprised they're not literally buying votes with another stimulus deal. Especially after shoveling ANOTHER $40B out the door to Ukraine.
" . . . and brushed off calls for an investigation into the police response in Uvalde"
Wait. I thought the cops were white and the kids were brown.
(still waiting to learn why there were two federal marshals there arresting parents, and how they got here so fast)
Yeah, I caught that, too. It's. . . strange....
Let's start a conspiracy theory.
The teacher unions in cahoots with the feds to get combat pay and to move to federal cops everywhere?
The teacher unions in cahoots with the feds to get combat pay and to move to federal cops everywhere
By God, you may be on to something! Now that you mention it, I've never heard anyone say that the feds and teachers unions aren't true. Why not? What are they hiding? Very suspicious indeed.
TO THE SOCIAL MEDIAS!
The feds apparently groomed the Buffalo shooter.
Would it surprise you if they played a role in Uvalde?
We’re they encouraging him on social media?
Turns out it was a teacher that propped the door open for him…
That's not the conspiracy theory.
The theory is that these assets are being triggered to help the push to disarm the US and get rid of the 2A, They're gonna lose Roe, so they need to demonize the people who are making them take the L
The entire timeline of the shooting seems to condemn law enforcement's handling of the tragic situation.
To be fair, they just as well might have ended up panic firing into a class gerbil terrarium or with a knee on a toddler's neck.
I have a suspicion that we are purposefully not focusing on the shooter and never will. This will be another Vegas shooting memory hole, but not this time because the shooter had government ties but because of The Narrative.
Is there something specific about the shooter?
I think early reports said he was transgender, but that's apparently false.
There seems to be confirmation he wore eye liner. Entry level T?
Maybe just emo.
Not “White”.
Be patient. Reporters are busy trying to determine if Ramos is a Democratic brown Latino or a traitorous MAGA white Latino.
I'm guessing the former since nobody is talking about him. Just like the guy in buffalo who was a super-maga ultra racist, until it turned out he's a crazy fucking lefty.
Fuck Joe Biden!
Now if they were accused of ignoring an antiTrans hatecrime the Bidenistas would be all over them like stink.
Tell me again why I care about Jan 6.
https://twitter.com/WorldHlthOrg/status/1529068681464012805
The world leaders are about to break for a lunch of fresh Atlantic crab and Spanish pork, followed by duck and the worlds best cod from a sustainable farm in Norway. When we resume we will be discussing freedom of speech and how it could be reformed.
#Davos2022
When we resume we will be discussing freedom of speech and how it could be
reformed.eliminated.Fortified.
Just in case it isn't obvious, this is a parody account. The WEF isn't QUITE this transparent yet. The pictures and such are true though.
A parody account run by WEF to test public reactions for the next agenda phase. Also just for laughs.
What a time we live in when facts sound like satire.
And when satire is more accurate than news.
And Russian disinformation is true.
The WEF isn't QUITE this transparent yet.
If some of the stuff coming out about their speeches is accurate, we may have actually passed that point.
But they are, one of their speekers literally talked about putting microchips in pills to ensure people are complying with medical dictates.
Also they discussed getting rid of the idea of free speech as a goal. That may be a parody account, but it's not a parody
First, turn dunnart cells into thylacine cells using gene-editing technology.
Then, turn human cells into space-alien cells using gene-editing technology.
I want that little mouth full of teeth that comes out of my regular mouth.
I want a mouth that opens sideways, even though that makes no sense.
Hey Peanuts do you know how much Warren Buffett made yesterday? $1.37 billion! So don't listen to wingnut.com disinformation about "high gas prices" or "inflation." The Warren Buffett Net Worth Index is doing well which means the economy is in fantastic shape and Biden deserves all the credit.
#TemporarilyFillingInForButtplug
#StillPrettyWeak
Texas Gunman Was In The Classroom For Half An Hour Before Law Enforcement Stormed In. Why?
https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/26/texas-gunman-uvalde-salvador-ramos/
https://twitter.com/VAKruta/status/1529977770931113987
"They could've been shot. They could've been killed," Texas police lieutenant explains why law enforcement did not go into Uvalde school right away.
“Nobody said this job came with dangers”.
Yeah, right.
The bulletproof vests just look cool.
Is he talking about the children?
Authorities investigating if retired federal agent knew of Buffalo mass shooting plans in advance
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/authorities-investigating-if-retired-federal-agent-knew-of-buffalo-mass-shooting-plans-in-advance/article_bd408f18-dd39-11ec-be53-df8fdd095d6f.html
Law enforcement officers are investigating whether a retired federal agent had about 30 minutes advance notice of a white supremacist's plans to murder Black people at a Buffalo supermarket, two law enforcement officials told The Buffalo News.
Authorities believe the former agent – believed to be from Texas – was one of at least six individuals who regularly communicated with accused gunman Payton Gendron in an online chat room where racist hatred was discussed, the two officials said.
The two law enforcement sources with direct knowledge of the investigation stated these individuals were invited by Gendron to read about his mass shooting plans and the target location about 30 minutes before Gendron killed 10 people at Tops Markets on Jefferson Avenue on May 14.
Authorities believe the former agent – believed to be from Texas – was one of at least six individuals who regularly communicated with accused gunman Payton Gendron in an online chat room where racist hatred was discussed, the two officials said.
This is going to get really interesting, because if this ex-fed spent his career instigating violent actions by randos online, pretty much every mass murder event is going to be looked at as a glow-op from here on out, for the specific purpose of eroding social cohesion.
The one it Texas screams at us to look deeper, which means they will probably try and move on as quickly as they had in Buffalo. From the looks of my Facebook feed, I'm not sure either side of the aisle will be very eager to move on quickly. This might be the type of thing that actually provokes a deeper look at our law enforcement presence.
One can dream.
Seeing the guy's pictures has been a little creepy because he looks a lot like one of my uncles.
Any chance Alex Jones gets vindicated?
Biden praises high gas prices as part of ‘incredible transition’
https://nypost.com/2022/05/23/biden-praises-gas-prices-as-part-of-incredible-transition/
https://twitter.com/AndrewLawton/status/1528644596657422337
Speaking about small and medium businesses in Davos, Norwegian finance CEO Kjerstin Braathen says energy transition will create energy shortages and inflationary pressures, but this "pain" is "worth it."
https://twitter.com/MythinformedMKE/status/1529584548954222593
At #WEF2022, Helen E. Clark is aware of dwindling public support for COVID restrictions.
Her solution: full international control.
Countries must comply with WHO edicts or lose access to the World Bank or face WTO sanctions.
Globalization curtails your vote & freedoms.
The most scary thing about that quote is that these people are clear on what they want: "Transformational change". They want to transform our governments, our lives, our economies. And they want the WTO, WEF, WHO- all the WxOs working together to push transformation on us.
Hey, why be a member of the uber-elite if you can't dictate to all the serfs?
They sound like a bunch of conspiracy whackos. Oh, wait...
Think of it as more of a "great reset".
And just a quick reminder that anyone talking about "transformational change" is a fucking marxist.
Biden said Thursday that he has "the utmost respect" for law enforcement and brushed off calls for an investigation into the police response in Uvalde.
Angering pretty much everyone.
Calm down, everyone. Today the White House will probably walk back his misstatement.
What the President meant to say was "All cops are bastards, but we're still not going to hold anyone accountable. Please donate to Black Lives Matters so they can donate to my campaign."
"And buy more of Hunter's art."
"Does the Easter Bunny agree with your statement?"
Freedom Of Speech Needs "Recalibration" - Aussie Commissioner Sparks Outrage At WEF
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/freedom-speech-needs-recalibration-aussie-commissioner-sparks-outrage-wef
So much for the parody lunch menu.
Researchers say there could be four "malicious" alien civilizations living within the Milky Way galaxy
Would the researchers count humans as a "malicious" civilization?
Well, the best proof of intelligent life outside earth is that they stay away from us.
The 4th Estate: World Economic Forum ‘partners’ with CNN, NYT, Chinese state-media for Davos 2022
https://dossier.substack.com/p/the-4th-estate-world-economic-forum?s=w
Monday afternoon saw a WEF-CNN partnered panel. And Wednesday there will be another CNN panel on “climate action.”
On Monday afternoon, a “Equitable Responses to Ending the Pandemic” panel in partnership with Politico (featuring the CEO of Moderna. And yes, the CEO of Pfizer is also in attendance at Davos):
Monday evening, a session developed in partnership with The New York Times. The “newspaper of record” will also host a Tuesday panel discussion. On Sunday, Rebel News journalist Avi Yemeni attempted to interview Rebecca Blumenstein, a New York Times moderator for the Monday panel. She refused to comment.
Imagine the dreamy cocktail party invites.
CNN, NYT, Chinese state-media
What do all of these have in common?
ACLJ Obtains New Memo in State Department Lawsuit Unveiling Unreported Obama-Era Officials' Secret Meeting With Iran's Zarif During Trump Administration
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/aclj-obtains-new-memo-in-state-department-lawsuit-unveiling-unreported-obama-era-officials-secret-meeting-with-irans-zarif-during-trump-administration
Isn't this what Michael Flynn was persecuted for?
But there’s no deep state.
Texas cop says officers didn't rush to find gunman because 'they could have been shot' then claims they DELIBERATELY locked inside classroom to save other students: Experts slam 'disgusting' decision that doctors say sealed the fate of injured kids
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10860747/Texas-cop-says-Uvalde-officers-retreated-gunman-shot.html
As long as the cops' children get to go home safe, that's all that matters.
I don't think that article is actually properly characterizing what the police officer is saying.
"'So they were able to contain that gunman inside that classroom so that he was not able to go to any other portions of the school to commit any other killings,' Lt. Olivarez said. "
That isn't the same as being the ones who locked the guy in that classroom. He is saying that they knew he was in some part of the room, and they guarded that area to prevent him from being able to continue rampaging through the halls. "Containing" someone who has already holed up in a room is not the same as physically locking them in.
All that said, even containment seems beyond the pale here. How can you as an officer be sitting down the hallway from a classroom, listening to him execute children and say "Well at least he is contained." I cannot even imagine this calculation.
You really think someone who chokes people for a living gives a shit if someone else's kids get shot?
According to sarcasmic, every single cop in the country is an inhuman monster incapable of emotions and lives to kill others. There is no other possible motive.
You sure trounced that straw man.
I'm asking a serious question. Do you really think that people who hurt others for a living give a shit when other people are hurt or killed? Remember that cop who laughed with his buddies about pulling an elderly woman's arm out of the socket? "Listen for the pop!" followed by everyone laughing. That was not unusual. That's every police force. People with that mentality don't give a fuck about anyone but them and their own.
The thing that blows my mind about it is that effectively deputizing citizens, presumably giving them the same/similar QI, with no obvious guarantee of equivalent or superior outcome is, unwaveringly, *the* solution.
Did everyone else get the memo regarding the exact number of bleeding out schoolchildren you step over to get to someone who's locked themselves potentially alone in a room and I missed it? Seems like it would be a useful document to have when it comes time to prosecute officers for failing to obey policy.
All that said, even containment seems beyond the pale here. How can you as an officer be sitting down the hallway from a classroom, listening to him execute children and say "Well at least he is contained."
Was he executing children in the classroom or were they already dead? Per the 'go and get him' policy (not saying it's wrong, not saying the police followed it, or any, policy faithfully), do you go kill him or evac the wounded?
You go kill him ASAP so you can evacuate the wounded while they're still alive.
Everyone? Or if you've got a squad of 6, is it OK to split off 3 to evac and 3 to pursue? If it's just you and he's erected a barricade you can't penetrate, is it OK to evac the wounded then or are you supposed to expend your ammo and then beat your head against a wall while people bleed out?
I've got no problem shooting things with little to no compunction, probably less than a good portion of the commentators here. I'm still dubious of the one-size-fits-all policy. Even, actually especially, when blazing away without compunction, there needs to be a rationale, beyond "I was just following orders." behind it, an achievable goal that, in hindsight or in the moment, was attainable. Otherwise, you just waste a lot of ammo not solving or even potentially solving any problems.
Break off the five to evac while I krav maga/Gracie Jiu Jitsu the barricade and then spin on the floor to take his legs out and then finish him off with death punch and show him his heart.
That night I would no doubt be sexing the locals who send me their virgin daughters out of gratitude
How about both? There were plenty of police on the scene.
You realize I'm the one questioning the "go and get him and do nothing else until that goal is achieved" doctrine, right?
I've said it probably a half dozen times, but I'll say it again, I'm not defending the police sitting around. I'm dubious of all the arm chair sophistry that claims to have resolved problems known and unknown, up front, after the fact, without all the facts, from hundreds of miles away without generating the same kinds of high speed, low drag, 'responsibility is for plebs' side effects to corner case situations that seem to be rampant in response to this.
I'm not defending the police sitting around.
Yes you are. The police impeded others from engaging in rescue while the shooter was still active. They were too cowardly to engage and they made sure nobody else could make them look bad, i.e., they did what cops do.
You compound the error by ridiculing people who have stated that they would do exactly what reports are saying some people actually did; go inside and get their kids, damn the police. When I presented an example of an unarmed civilian confronting a similar rampage shooter having prevented the further loss of life, you claimed I was attempting to steal his valor.
People are outraged because the behavior of the police was outrageous. You are mocking them. What the fuck is wrong with you?
He's mocking all the Monday morning quarterbacking that's going on from people who have less than all the information who were not there and do not actually know what went on.
Pointing out that trained police failed to follow their own much discussed protocol is not playing QB. Reports have come in that parents who were not restrained did enter the building. I know from experience that I can run towards mortal danger. I am not what about that justifies mockery.
Nearly 4,000 civilians have been killed during the first three months of Russia's invasion of Ukraine...
WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH DOMESTIC GUN CONTROL
Duh, it justifies more of it.
No mass shootings in other countries.
Notice they give the total number. I wonder how much is due to both sides, and what is the civilian casualty count for eastern Ukraine in the years between 2014 and 2022
14,000+
Biden is still pushing to forgive up to $10,000 in student loans per borrower...
Someone's handlers finally remembered the midterms.
Still trying to figure out how to distribute checks at the voting booth.
Bring in a box of ballots, get your check early.
Newly revealed documents show how the federal government plans to survive apocalyptic scenarios.
By pandering to teachers unions and pharmaceutical companies?
Fortified elections.
Diversity training.
Beachfront property.
Fortified Elections
Diversity Training
Beachfront Property
In that order. haha
https://twitter.com/AndrewLawton/status/1529004627798147072
On the World Economic Forum's panel on a "Reimagined Global Tax System," Oxfam executive director Gabriela Bucher calls for a global 25 per cent corporate tax rate and complains that countries are lowering taxes to be competitive.
Anything the WEF hates is competition.
Also, independence.
It's the dreaded race to the bottom once again.
https://twitter.com/AndrewLawton/status/1529045188764921856
Alibaba Group president J. Michael Evans boasts at the World Economic Forum about the development of an "individual carbon footprint tracker" to monitor what you buy, what you eat, and where/how you travel.
Cool! When you reach your monthly allowance, you'll be frozen in carbonate!
*Carbonite*, dammit!
That's okay carbonate it the more common version and the ite is just one oxygen less
This was no HO2 moment.
Can we compare ourselves to Al Gore and other champions?
They’ve got offsets.
monitor what you buy, what you eat, and where/how you travel.
Notice, it's monitoring what you do, not what they do.
There are more yous than theys. Obviously the yous living middle-class lives are way more bad for the environment than the ones flying between their houses in private jets.
Researchers say there could be four "malicious" alien civilizations living within the Milky Way galaxy...
And numerous ones currently conferencing in Davos.
How much would Putin charge to "mistakenly" drop a tactical nuke on Davos? In order to save mankind, of course.
Russia Ready To Help Solve Global Food Crisis, On One Condition
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-ready-ease-food-crisis-if-west-lifts-sanctions-putin-tells-italys-pm
Italy says it's working to intervene diplomatically with Russia to allow Ukrainian ports to open amid a growing global wheat and food supply crisis, given some 30% of the world's wheat comes from war-ravaged Ukraine and Russia.
This culminated in a Thursday phone call between Prime Minister Mario Draghi and Russian President Vladimir Putin, wherein the Italian leader is believed to have pressed Putin to order his military to unblock Black Sea ports.
A statement from the Kremlin following the call said "Vladimir Putin emphasizes that the Russian Federation is ready to make a significant contribution to overcoming the food crisis through the export of grain and fertilizer, subject to the lifting of politically motivated restrictions by the West."
Alternative:
If Russia doesn't allow grain exports from Ukraine, we will impose a total embargo on all things Russian, regardless of the impact on the Biden family income.
The White House later walked back this statement .
LOL
Somebody hasn't been paying attention
"Italy says it's working to intervene diplomatically with Russia to allow Ukrainian ports to open amid a growing global wheat and food supply crisis, given some 30% of the world's wheat comes from war-ravaged Ukraine and Russia."
Nobody needs 23 kinds of pasta.
23 is not nearly enough:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pasta
Researchers say there could be four "malicious" alien civilizations living within the Milky Way galaxy
Meh. How many "delicious" civilizations?
"To Serve Mankind"
So, what are some libertarian and/or voluntarist ideas for trying to achieve the outcome of fewer mass shootings?
We know what Team Blue (and now some on Team Red) are going to propose: more gun control and more restrictions on our liberty. We obviously don't favor that. But it behooves us to come up with some potential strategies of our own in order to achieve this outcome.
I'll just start by saying that dealing with mental health issues ought to be a component of the strategy. But it can't be the only strategy, because it's not actually clear that all of these mass shooters were in fact mentally ill. Some were, of course, though.
Focusing on mental health, though, also brings up its own set of issues, particularly when it comes to the issue of involuntary commitment. This is a very dangerous power for the state to have, and of course we would advocate that the state should use this power very very sparingly. But, if it is used too sparingly, then it won't achieve the desired outcome of fewer mass shootings. So this is a thorny issue.
Any other thoughts?
I don't think there are any solutions. Some people are going to snap. And it doesn't happen as often as the media would have you believe. More kids die in school bus accidents than from school shootings. Don't see people clamoring for bus reform.
More kids die in school bus accidents than from school shootings.
Guns are now the leading cause of death for American children
Only if you count suicide.
"How *dare* you?!"
How many of those kids are killed by other kids that are in opposing gangs?
"Overall, 4,368 children and adolescents up to the age of 19 died from firearms in 2020, a rate of 5.4 per 100,000 a dashboard by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed."
What is the delta between 0-17 and 18-19?
How many of those are suicide?
How many are related to gang activity?
The inclusion of 19 and even 18 year-olds in the statistics is contrived to create a narrative. The lifestyle and habits of the majority of people that age does not comport to the rest of that cohort.
What about COVID? If it isn’t killing more kids than guns, then there is zero logic in pumping them up with risky drugs falsely called vaccines to stop it.
More kids die in school bus accidents than from school shootings.
Well, even if this is true, it still points to a possible strategy.
School bus drivers of course must pass background checks, and are required to be trained and licensed to be capable of operating a commercial vehicle such as a school bus, and to specifically know how to operate a school bus with a bunch of unruly kids. And it seems plausible at least that without this training, the number of kids harmed in school bus accidents would be undoubtedly higher.
So perhaps a possible strategy would be to have a similar type of licensing system, but for the school itself assessing building safety. Schools that had serious safety concerns, such as for example having unlocked unmonitored back doors, would not receive a license and couldn't operate. There would have to be a discussion of what types of standards such a licensing system would have to meet, but this approach overall would be better than simply more gun control I think.
I don't support making schools even more like prisons. Nope.
If we get rid of democrats and democrat education policies, the problem goes away over a roughly ten year period.
I don't think there are any solutions. Some people are going to snap. And it doesn't happen as often as the media would have you believe
There were a bunch of stories coming out across the country the last couple of days about maladapts getting picked up for threatening to shoot up schools.
Most schools are getting out this week, and I suspect these geek losers had all been planning a "last day of school" attack for months to increase the media attention factor.
My solutions:
--Stop normalizing what was considered mental illness 25 years ago.
--Less "affirmation," more emotional resiliency.
--Bring back after-school fistfights.
--Celebrate middle class socio-economic values.
A society and school system circa 1980 would do the trick, before critical marxism had suffused itself in the culture and education industry.
I like your solutions.
I'd add stop drugging these kids to the list.
That would mean actually managing behavior and teaching kids right and wrong.
That's like hard and stuff.
Turning them into medicated zombies is so much easier. And I can tell you from personal experience that if you argue with them about it they'll accuse you of child neglect or worse.
(cue JesseAz and the rest to hurl personal attacks and completely ignore my point)
Turning them into medicated zombies is so much easier. And I can tell you from personal experience that if you argue with them about it they'll accuse you of child neglect or worse.
Yes, I have seen that in action with my grandchildren and other people's kids. The schools are going after the feisty girls now too. The ones they aren't pushing to be boys first.
A big part of why I lost custody was because I argued with the case workers and doctors, while mom went along with literally everything they said. They interpreted that to mean mom is concerned about her child while father thinks he knows more than the "experts."
I still take part in all the Zoom meetings, and I still argue. And the reports reflect that mom is silent and cooperative while father dares to speak up and disagree. Also, in the last four years of madness there has been exactly one male (other than me) involved. It's a women's club. Men are not welcome.
Mom says the kid doesn't want to get up for school. Solution? More drugs.
Mom says the preteen doesn't go to be on time. Solution? More drugs.
Mom says this young girl argues with her. Solution? More drugs.
Meanwhile I don't have those problems because I manage her behavior. Which makes me the bad guy, because parenting is to be done by teacher and drugs.
Not that this is something that REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!!!! or anything.
I'd add stop drugging these kids to the list.
....
That would mean actually managing behavior and teaching kids right and wrong.
Yeah, these both go hand in hand. A lot of current social problems can be traced in particular to trying to make boys act like girls, and I don't just mean drag or transgenderism. When you have children that are physically active and high-energy, you find outlets where they can direct that in a positive manner, like sports and exercise. You don't call male competitiveness and rambunctiousness "toxic masculinity," you encourage them to try their best and practice good sportsmanship, because they WILL grow out of it eventually. You don't drug them up with psychoactive sedatives.
Parents have become increasingly disengaged from raising their children the last 25 years, and it shows.
Keep in mind that public education is run primarily by women. There is a shitload of institutional sexism against men, boys, and anything masculine. Well, except for the dike teaching PE. Do they even have PE anymore?
--Stop normalizing what was considered mental illness 25 years ago.
I assume you are talking about transgenderism? So what would you suggest happen to those "mentally ill" students who claim to be transgender?
--Less "affirmation," more emotional resiliency.
I do think that students ought to not think of failure at a particular task to be some soul-crushing life-ending catastrophe, but instead just another part of the overall learning process.
--Bring back after-school fistfights.
you're joking, right? You want to encourage kids to beat each other up?
--Celebrate middle class socio-economic values.
Like what, specifically?
"I do think that students ought to not think of failure at a particular task to be some soul-crushing life-ending catastrophe, but instead just another part of the overall learning process."
The way to do this is to let them experience failure more often.
--Bring back after-school fistfights.
you're joking, right? You want to encourage kids to beat each other up?
Would you prefer they shoot eachother?
Some kids really need to get their asses kicked. It's a fact.
Jeffy, you’re obviously a weak, low testosterone, soyboy, beta male man child. So you don’t understand that sometimes boys need to fight and get it out of their system. Bottling that up, plus drugging boys for being boys is the root cause of all of this. Guns are merely a tool, not the cause of mass murder.
Basically, your democrat friends are to blame for all of this. Case closed.
I assume you are talking about transgenderism? So what would you suggest happen to those "mentally ill" students who claim to be transgender?
It's telling that you would assume that. There's a lot more going on in that field than trooner grooming.
you're joking, right? You want to encourage kids to beat each other up?
You're goddamn right I do. A lot of shit would be resolved a lot easier if guys knew that mouthing off might result in an ass-kicking, and a lot of beefs given a less-lethal resolution.
You want to know the best way to stop a bully? Punch the fucker right in the mouth, and even if you get your own ass kicked, the more you fight back, the less likely the bully is going to hassle you. I had far better results backing bullies off by actually going after them with my fists swinging than I ever did by keeping my head down.
Like what, specifically?
Everything the Smithsonian said a couple of years ago was "acting white."
All power will be abused. Period. So involuntary commitment shouldn't even be on the table.
Homeschool.
^ this. every single mass shooting happened at a public school
One idea I've seen batted around is a national age requirement, at least 21, for purchasing firearms.
Don't let them vote until they're 21 either.
I was about to say the same thing.
Well, that is a strategy that deprives individuals of their liberty. There is nothing special about the age of 21, and 18-year-olds are legal adults able to enter into contracts and the like, so I don't see why they shouldn't possess the full liberties of any other adult.
If I was king the voting age would be 30. Let people get through their irresponsible 20s before making decisions that affect other people.
I would vote for that.
Yeah, we actually need to increase the age of majority, not ratchet it down. Not a lot of people know this, but that used to be the age of 21 for a lot of things, including joining the military outside of wartime conditions.
Lowering the voting age to 18 was a sop to the New Left Boomers, and I've seen leftists unironically argue that it should be lowered to 12 or even 10 years of age ("HURRRRR THESE THINGS AFFECT PEOPLE OF THAT AGE, TOO, WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE A SAY?!!!?!?").
I don't know if I'd go as high as 30, but I'd even be willing to raise the age limit for buying a firearm if the voting age was similarly increased to 25 or higher. That's why I know the left would never go for it, because they rely on dumbshit teenagers and college students to act as their political shock troops.
That's why I know the left would never go for it, because they rely on dumbshit teenagers and college students to act as their political shock troops.
Yeah, most kids will vote as they are told by their teachers who are 99.99999% leftist.
25 actually sounds good after thinking about it. If you need to be 25 to be elected to the House, then you should be 25 to vote. What's wrong with that?
I was thinking along the lines of how most people aren't fully developed from a physical or emotional standpoint until they're 24, but that's a great point from a Constitutional perspective.
I would set the age of legal adulthood at 19, for everything.
I question why the age of majority has to correspond to a fixed number of years in the first place. Why not make it outcomes-based? If an individual can "prove" that he/she can meet the requirements of legal adulthood, then let that person legally be an adult regardless of age. Now, what would constitute "proof" is up for discussion of course, but I would consider at a minimum graduation from highschool and some test of basic competency in life skills as well as in critical thinking and logical reasoning. And if a 15-year-old can do all that, then great, that person is an adult. And if a 19-year-old can't do that, then sorry, that person is still a "kid" in the eyes of the law. Maybe make some upper age limit of say something like 25, where everyone becomes a legal adult regardless, but for everyone else if they want to try to prove that they are a legal adult earlier than that, then let them.
We need a bureaucracy to determine who’s an adult! That’ll go great!
Per some liberal thinking, their brains aren’t fully developed until they’re 25, so 26 should be the minimum voting age.
Not a universal solution, and it could be criticized as avoidance rather than a solution, but more people will stay away from large public gatherings: homeschooling, grocery delivery, online entertainment.
Certainly home schooling is a great option, but it is not one that most parents can take advantage of. So, what are some strategies for making home schooling more widely available?
I don’t know if it’s new, or just more popular, but there are “pods”, where a handful of kids share a tutor.
Just like the old one-room schoolhouse on the frontier. Lots of individual attention.
An unpopular solution would be to end these stupid
gun freeunarmed target rich zones, but that will never happen.Well, yes and no.
Having more "good guys with guns" would help, of course.
BUT, there are two issues that I see here.
First, as we saw with the shooting in Buffalo, that doesn't always help if the shooter shows up with body armor.
Second, to the extent that a large proportion of gun violence involving kids is the result of the careless storage of guns in the home, this problem would only become magnified if there were a lot of guns at schools too. Having armed teachers might reduce gun violence from mass shootings, but it might unintentionally increase gun violence from the occasional unattended firearm that is left out.
The issue with gun free zones is that a shooter knows that everyone there will be helpless. Even if nobody is armed, the mere fact that they might be will get the shooter to go somewhere else.
Hmm, in red states, the population might go for letting teachers be armed.
In blue states, it would never go over politically.
(Of course, all states are really purple.)
"Second, to the extent that a large proportion of gun violence involving kids is the result of the careless storage of guns in the home, this problem would only become magnified if there were a lot of guns at schools too. Having armed teachers might reduce gun violence from mass shootings, but it might unintentionally increase gun violence from the occasional unattended firearm that is left out."
This is a general example of "Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt" that does not substantively add to the discussion. Guns improperly stored, found and misused at home are a totally different situation from a teacher concealed-carrying a weapon at school. They just aren't comparable situations. In one case you generally have weapons that are left unattended *because* they are being stored rather than being carried. In the latter case, you have a gun being carried, so it isn't left unattended.
Is there a chance for accidents? Of course there is. That doesn't change the fact that a) it should be peoples' right to carry guns in self defense and b) there is no evidence that concealed carry is a significant cause of accidental use of weapons.
You can end them, but then do you expect all the teachers to be armed?
My mother and father were teachers. My grandmother was a teacher. My greatgrandmother was a teacher. All before the era of "gun free zones". Yet not once did any teacher show up at school armed. It would have been legal, but silly.
To be fair, as a kid, a lot of high school students did have hunting rifles in their pickup trucks that they parked on campus. Yup, I come from redneck country. But still the teachers were not armed.
So the "gun free zone" shit is just that, shit. It's a stupid little proclamation that means nothing. They are NOT the reason teachers aren't armed. That is as stupid as the people who think these zones do anything.
So the "gun free zone" shit is just that, shit. It's a stupid little proclamation that means nothing.
Oh it means a lot. It means that someone who wants to kill a bunch of people can be sure that they've got lots of helpless targets.
We no longer live back in the old days.
"But still the teachers were not armed."
You have no way of knowing this. I carry everyday, everywhere, and no one knows I'm armed. It is not something I advertise.
It truly is hilarious how these people just assert they know things they cannot know.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
We do know that had that assistant principal been allowed to carry on campus, instead of storing his gun off site in his truck, he'd have been able to save more peoples' lives.
But sure, no one is armed ever.
My physics teacher showed up with his rifle one day. We did the transfer of momentum evaluation where he fired it into a suspended railroad tie and we measured the height the pendulum moved when the bullet hit it. Knowing the weight of the bullet (and tie) and the energy transferred into the tie, we calculated the velocity of the bullet. Good Times at a public school.
When I took physics in college we had fun with liquid nitrogen. Blew up bottles, made things launch 100 feet into the air, made a lot of noise, and killed a lot of grass. Sadly no guns.
"...So the "gun free zone" shit is just that, shit. It's a stupid little proclamation that means nothing. They are NOT the reason teachers aren't armed. That is as stupid as the people who think these zones do anything..."
Bullshit.
They accomplish one thing very well indeed; they signal to ghouls that a target-rich and danger-free environment is right in front of them.
Only rednecks have hunting rifles in their trucks.
Thought 1: This will get me all the hate mail, but I think on a fundamental level it's absolutely true: Shit happens. Worst mass murder in a school was not from a gun but from dynamite. I think these kinds of sociopaths are always going to exist, and they will find way to commit these kinds of acts regardless of the kinds of laws society enacts.
Thought 1A: But perhaps we can reduce sociopaths, or identify them. Why exactly do people like this do what htey do? The politicians (both sides) don't care, it's always the pop meme du jour. Remember Columbine? It was all blamed on nerds and geeks. Today we blame racism. Gang violence is blamed on rap. But no one actually gets to the root of why someone decides to commit suicide via mass murder. But there are exacerbating factors. Maybe a reduction in racial antagonism can help. Maybe helping socialize the asocial can help. NOT talking about government programs to fuck up more lives. Just as a society (not government) we can stop being such assholes to each other. This is just a thought.
Thought 2: I'm fully libertarians, to the point of almost being anarcho. But I do think people take the Second Amendment way too religiously. (Religion is covered in the First, by the way). Most gun owners are responsible. But I've run across way too many who are not. Perhaps as a society we should voluntarily expect more gun responsibility. Purchasing a gun should entail attending a gun safety course. Trigger locks should be as standard for guns as seatbelts are for cars. But most importantly, guns should NOT be a political statement, or an accessory to show off, or even a toy to play with. Guns are tools. Hunting rifles are for hunting, handguns are for self defense, target rifles and pistols are for target shooting.
Thought 2A: Don't get me wrong, I love guns. I love the the Second Amendment. But just like the Left should not be treating guns as the Great Satan, neither should the Right be treating guns as their Great Totem.
Also unpopular thing to say, but I am starting to come around to seeing that we live in a society that likes violence (including tons of gun violence) in our entertainment. We also encourage young men of this often trouble age to join the military and engage in officially-sanctioned violence. We are a far from being a non-violent society.
You realize, of course, that video game violence is anti-correlated with a propensity to commit violence.
Yeah, the video game violence - real world violence connection has been debunked for a little while now.
I never consider any controversy settled just because someone somewhere came up with statistics. Statistics are tricky things, and often done poorly, sometimes on purpose.
I know what I see with my own lyin’ eyes after living in this society all my life. We are immersed in violent imagery, and we are quite war-like. And, at the same time we decry violent behavior from young adult men, we train many to engage in just that.
Also unpopular thing to say, but I am starting to come around to seeing that we live in a society that likes violence (including tons of gun violence) in our entertainment.
I can buy that. I would add the ability to understand nuance and being so quick to be offended has dampened our societies ability to laugh - most importantly, at itself. When you take the Archie Comics and transform it into a brooding trope of teen angst there is concern. Life is supposed to be fun too, not just hard all the time.
Interesting observation.
We prevent young men from engaging in any kind of violence, and then drug them for engaging in any masculine behavior. This is the cause.
There is a proper place for violence and shunning it to turn us all pacifist it creates its own set of problems. A proper place for violence can not be divorced from the dignity and sanctity of human life. Violence utilized to protect innocent human life is not an evil.
It needs boundaries, but always prohibition tends to lead to disordered abuse of that which is being prohibited.
Thought 1: This will get me all the hate mail, but I think on a fundamental level it's absolutely true: Shit happens. Worst mass murder in a school was not from a gun but from dynamite. I think these kinds of sociopaths are always going to exist, and they will find way to commit these kinds of acts regardless of the kinds of laws society enacts.
You are right, to an extent. There is always a price to liberty. The price of the liberty of free speech is that misinformation and outright lies and 'hate speech' exist. And yes one of the prices of the right to own guns is that gun violence exists to an extent larger than in places where that right is not protected. But even if this is true, you are right in that it is not a winning statement politically.
Thought 1A: But perhaps we can reduce sociopaths, or identify them.
Totally agree. There's lots of voluntary organizations out there that help kids become functional adults. Big Brother Big Sister for example. Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts for example. I think we need to promote a lot more of this type of stuff. And yes, generally, less assholery is warranted.
Thought 2: I'm fully libertarians, to the point of almost being anarcho. But I do think people take the Second Amendment way too religiously.
It has become a tribal litmus test. And like with all of the tribalism that we see today, it has become a complete black/white issue. Either one must be in favor of giving handguns to toddlers, or one must be in favor of door-to-door confiscation of all guns. It is completely absurd. For example, I often see gun ownership compared to car ownership, in that, if one is required to pass a test and have insurance for driving a car (on public roads), why shouldn't one be required to pass a test and have insurance for owning a gun? And I think the comparison is problematic, the idea is problematic, but it is also NOT the case that this idea would lead to the slippery slope of total gun confiscation.
.. why shouldn't one be required to pass a test and have insurance for owning a gun?
Because it’s a right, not a privilege.
And lawyers have enough work suing others for inane reasons as it is.
For example, I often see gun ownership compared to car ownership, in that, if one is required to pass a test and have insurance for driving a car (on public roads), why shouldn't one be required to pass a test and have insurance for owning a gun?
Myself and other commenters have pointed out that we'd LOVE to treat firearms EXACTLY like we do cars, because it would actually mean the end of most of the gun control laws that have been passed in the last 50 years.
Worst mass murder in a school was not from a gun but from dynamite.
Here's some food for thought--the Columbine shooters and the Aurora theater shooter would have had a much higher body count than the people they shot, if the explosives they rigged in the school and his apartment had actually gone off. Similarly, the STEM school shooters were actually stopped because the students they attacked jumped them and ultimately neutralized them (note I don't expect a bunch of scared 4th-graders to have that kind of response).
The only thing that ultimately stops these guys is someone attacking them right back, because they aren't expecting resistance. They don't need to be bum-rushed, but you can still throw shit at them and make it damn hard for them to draw a bead on anyone, until you either chase them off, or someone else can take them down.
But folks are now taught that they have no agency to defend themselves, so they just cower and wait to be shot.
Bingo
I enjoy watching "Yellowstone," if it does resemble a ranch version of "Dallas" a bit too much at times. But this part that Thomas Rainwater said last season really stuck with me:
"Well... he's a boy who was forced to do what men do. These days, most men won't even do it, because society has taught them that they are sheep. And when wolves come, you must not fight them.
You must call a shepherd. So, he feels guilt for doing something he should be praised for."
"But perhaps we can reduce sociopaths, or identify them. Why exactly do people like this do what htey do? The politicians (both sides) don't care, it's always the pop meme du jour."
I am skeptical here. I really do think that if we locked up or intervened on every single kid who acted like these shooters, we would be taking in 10 - 20% of young males off the streets. It is extremely difficult to determine where bluster becomes fantasy becomes actual planning to do murder. I will stand up right now and say the level of intrusive, anti liberty surveillance necessary to distinguish these lines (if it is even possible) is not welcome in a free society.
Rather than fruitlessly try to identify these kids, we should be focusing ourselves on spreading more hopeful messages that aren't luddite, pessimistic visions of a bleak future. Stop celebrating mentally unstable children convinced that the environment is going to be unlivable in 20 years. Roll back the authoritarian governments we currently have locking kids in their houses for years at a time, and treating them as plague vector threats.
These are things YOU CAN DO. You don't need to impose one size fits all solutions on the world. Go out and tell kids the future *is* optimistic. Tell your local schools to open. Hold the kids accountable. Tell them their contributions are valued. YOU can do that. WE don't need to.
Locking the doors during school hours would have gone a long way to prevent this.
Why is it easier to get into a school than a jewelry store?
Why is it easier to get into a school than a jewelry store?
Because for most of this country's history, this wasn't an issue. It's only really been one since Columbine, and that is a sign of a society that is fundamentally socially dysfunctional.
It's not really an accident, to me at least, that this is just one symptom of anti-social, alienated behavior that's become a common feature of American life since the left managed to gain control of the nation's cultural structures.
Take war to who deserves it: totalitarian leftists.
Eat a bullet, collectivistjeff
Boys in school benefit form the occasional fist fight. Jeffy would have more character if he had the shit kicked out of him regularly back in school.
Allowing teachers and staff to concealed carry at school, so long as are otherwise legally allowed to do so, of course.
There are pros and cons to this idea, see above.
"So, what are some libertarian and/or voluntarist ideas for trying to achieve the outcome of fewer mass shootings?"
How many fewer?
What level of utopian perfection are you wishing for? 99.99%? 99.9999%? 100%?
We live in a nation of 350 million. If every year, one in a million goes postal, that means 350 shootings, or almost one per day. Running the calculation in the other direction, since we hear about some headline, 24/7 news frenzy mass shooting about every month, that gives us about one in 30 million crazy mass murders, or 99.99999% good citizens. Do you think there is any practical, let alone libertarian, solution to improving that?
Why does math hate the children?
So, what are some libertarian and/or voluntarist ideas for trying to achieve the outcome of fewer mass shootings?
Start the slow, grinding process of unfucking the culture we've created with young people. There's nothing more volunteerist than that. Because it was volunteerism that got us into this mess in the first place, so realistically, it can get us out.
unfucking the culture we've created with young people
Could you be more specific?
In the early 1990s, perhaps 1991 or 1992, long before I was the aging, embittered culture warrior you see before you today, I was walking to lunch with a co-worker and we were discussing what we had done over the weekend. At one point, she said she had gone to a T-ball game with her kids. I didn't know what T-ball was so she explained how it worked, after which I asked her a rather innocent question: "Who won?" to which she responded, "Oh we don't keep score." Puzzled, I asked her why not. She replied, "Because it hurts their feelings and we don't want to make it about winners and losers."
This was at a time when I was a bog-standard normie, I watched Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson for my news every night, I wasn't politically engaged and I certainly was nowhere near self-identifying as a libertarian. I carefully balanced liberal and conservative issues on the ballots and determined which one had the best likely outcome etc. etc. Normie... in the worst possible way, I might add.
But at that moment I remember staring at her with what probably looked like a rather stunned look on my countenance and while I couldn't verbalize my issue with the message that was being sent to those kids, I seem to remember thinking something along the lines of, "This is going to end badly with a bunch of young people driven into violent rage when they discover the real world doesn't care about their feelings."
We have created, via our education system, a kind of self-esteem industrial complex which is doing unimaginable damage to our society by creating increasingly entitled young people because there's nothing worse than pumping an impressionable youth full of unearned self-esteem.
And to be clear, I'm not saying that unearned self-esteem causes kids to be violent, but I am suggesting that kids with borderline mental health issues who are prone to violent outbursts that might have just resulted in "the schoolyard bully" 30+ years prior, is now resulting into serious outbursts of violence which can be streamed on twitch.
We've spent the last 40 years teaching children what to think instead of teaching them how to think, and we're paying the price for that.
As I note above, it isn't just the Self Esteem industrial complex. It is that we also encourage nihilism with these elite institutions that have no problem locking them in their houses and away from their friends for years at a time- generally to save the old people running those elite institutions.
We have no problem scaring the shit out of them about existential threats like DEBT! and GLOBAL WARMING! And yet those elites never seem to make any progress against these threats and, surprisingly, never seem to take them as seriously as these kids are supposed to.
Is it a shock that these kids, isolated, terrified, coddled and confused sometimes rarely try to take back control with a gun?
As long as they vote D and show up for marches.
Take guns away from governments. See current situation in Ukraine.
'In testimony to Congress, Califf said the agency's decisions were "too slow" at the start and "suboptimal along the way."'
"Suboptimal" should be the motto for all government agencies. I probably sounds better in latin.
ignorantia est excellentia
Odd that this applies just as well to the Uvalde shooting.
"Americans are responding to record-high gas prices by consuming less gasoline."
And you all made fun of the Green New Deal.
And the Feds want to confiscate the profits they forced the oil companies to make.
10% for the big guy.
We were laughing then, but we're crying now.
Thylacines are not tigers, and dunnarts are not rodents. Both are marsupials.
Freegin’ Australia.
infraclassist scum!!
You're not a biologist!
He’s a Gynecologist, but he’s on his lunch hour.
Are you sure they don't identify as such?
"Biden is still pushing to forgive up to $10,000 in student loans per borrower, which would still be a massive giveaway to many of America's most successful residents."
OK, in the name of equity and economic justice, Biden should announce that they will confiscate $10,000 from every American in the top third and give that much to every American in the bottom third. And keep doing that until we are all in the middle third.
OBL’s first law forbids this.
How about if we exclude the top 1% from the upper third?
Now you’re talking.
I would be fine with a 100% income tax for every single Blackrock /vanguard employee and board member. You want totalitarian gov there you go
Remember that day the U.S. passed that amendment giving the 'feds' authority for Food and Drug Regulation throughout the Union??
Yeah; me neither...
F'En Nazi's.
for god's sake can we just fucking get rid of the FDA already?
Remember, remember the eighth of November.
Another shit alphabet agency to add to the scrap pile.
Uvalde’s shooter victim’s father was a prominent Kyle Rittenhouse supporter
That’s what this Black and gay conservative who is GOP Proud enjoys about the GOP and the libertarian (but I repeat myself!) movement: it’s willingness to die by its own sword. You’ve got to admire this kind of commitment!
"victim’s father was a prominent Kyle Rittenhouse supporter"
Then why wasn't the kid packing??
I had exactly the same question. If there’s one thing this country needs more it’s 9 year olds with guns in the playground. That would stop the bullying. You know who I blame? Fucking Brandon, by which I mean Joe Biden. Ahahahahahahaha… that always makes me laugh.
Try harder, dipshit
that always makes me laugh
You are alone.
The Left can't meme because they lack theory of mind. Exhibit A, above.
Pretty sure OBL has this asshole pegged as the parasite 'commie kid'
Pay your mortgage, eat shit and die.
The Rittenhouse thing didn't happen during the day, at a school and he didn't kill children - he shot grown men attacking him in self defense. That situation is entirely irrelevant to this Uvalde business.
Put yourself in the mind of a progressive: "All gunz is bad!"
Fund managers and CEOs look out. ESG could get you tossed in jail. (at least in Kentucky)
There is an increasing trend among some investment management firms to use money in public and state employee pension plans—that is, other people’s money—to push their own political agendas and force social change.2 State Treasurer Allison Ball asks whether those asset management practices are consistent with Kentucky law. For the reasons below, it is the opinion of this Office that they are not.
Conclusion. Whether an investment management firm has breached a fiduciary duty is a fact intensive inquiry. That determination rests on a number of considerations and careful review of a fiduciary’s actions, statements, and commitments. While asset owners may pursue a social purpose or “sacrifice some performance on their investments to achieve an ESG goal,”25 investment managers entrusted to make financial investments for Kentucky’s public pension systems must be single-minded in their motivation and actions and their decisions must be “[s]olely in the interest of the members and beneficiaries [and for] the exclusive purpose of providing benefits[26] to members and beneficiaries,”
https://junkscience.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Opinion-of-the-Attorney-General-22-05.pdf
You know ESG is fake when they kicked out Tesla.
Nope, kicking out Telsa after Musk refused to comply with COVID lockdowns, threatens to mess with liberal info censorship, and teases about voting Republican is the very definition of supporting "good" corporate governance.
Police waited outside for more than half an hour
...
It was nearly 90 minutes later
OK, fifth time reading an account of what happened and it's the 7th number I've heard for the amount of time 'police waited'. In another week, the Ukrainians will have shot Ramos while the cops waited.
Hey, some accounts include the time for the mandatory safety meeting and some don't!
Interesting that the '12 minutes' number is consistent throughout. Maybe fire all the reporters, take all the badges away and put Officers Passive Voice in charge of reporting, and leave the self-defense to the civilians.
Ooh, make "members of the press" wear body cams! Hmm...
ACCOUNTABILITY!
So, pure speculation: do you think Ramos was hanging around outside the school and taking pot-shots in the hope of suicide by cop?
At least partially, yeah.
Not sure if it's the point you're trying to make, but the alternative reality story where cops show up to the home of a mentally-disturbed POC who'd shot his grandma, dispatch him on the scene, and nothing else happens, rather than de-escalating poses some food for thought. At least, for the people who would otherwise defend cops for not de-escalating such a situation anyway.
for the people who would otherwise *attack* cops for not de-escalating such a situation
grumble... edit button... grumble...
That's diversity safety.
Well-deserved fore-lock tugging:
"Gun sales to Texas shooter would have been illegal in California — but those laws could be in jeopardy"
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Gun-sales-to-Texas-shooter-would-have-been-17199208.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result
Yep, those unconstitutional laws could be overturned. Good news for CA!
You don't need guns because the police will protect you from violent attackers.
This always needs to be repeated.
But folks are now taught that they have no agency to defend themselves, so they just cower and wait to be shot.
the Texas shooter would have just waited till he go this two guns and then shot the place up. California laws didn't stop the shooter in Cali the other week so why do they think it would have stopped him.
Proggies are magical "thinkers"; check out Joe Asshole and Tony for a couple of examples.
Has the FDA ever not botched it's response to something?
Appeasing the rent-seekers?
Don't worry, the CDC stopped rent-seeking.
They have the stated goal of increasing revenue to the drug companies. They are accomplishing their mission valiantly
https://twitter.com/PaulSperry30/status/1529865241785401345?t=-zx0UcAP9QC2PJrCQxN1Eg&s=19
DEVELOPING: Agent Grasso, Joffe's cybersecurity pal @ FBI, testified Joffe worked w FBI on "all" Russia cyberthreats, which wd mean Hillary operatives controlled the DNC "hack" probe: Sussmann hired Crowdstrike, redacted report to FBI & Georgia Tech contractors also did forensics
No wonder they call it the swamp.
If you'd have told me 20 years ago... 15 years ago, that the US would be receiving foreign aid to feed our infants, I'd have laughed you out of the room.
Make America Great Again, and do it quickly, please.
Then use the thylacine cells to create an embryo, either in a petri dish or the womb of a living animal. Implant the embryo into a female marsupial such as a quoll, and watch the quoll give birth to a thylacine baby.
But only if the quoll has access to reproductive rights and is free to choose to carry the embryo to term or not. Otherwise you're turning Australia into a literal Handmaid's Tale.
Critics call de-extinction projects expensive follies that distract from the real work of conservation and that could have unintended consequences.
The real work of conservation being, of course, to increase the total amount of human suffering on Earth. If we can just solve our problems like this, no one has to adapt more miserable lifestyles, which defeats the purpose.
As long as they use their own money, who cares.
What we can do is to preserve the species we have. This is the best use of any environmental investment we might make.
So there were six officers at the scene of the shooting in short order.
Question: How many officers were out getting the donuts?
About that bipartisan 40 billion dollar aid package to Ukraine.
https://thecradle.co/Article/columns/10803
Within the carnival of NATO psyops, aggressive cognitive infiltration, and stunning media sycophancy, much is being made of the new $40 billion US ‘aid’ package to Ukraine, deemed capable of becoming a game-changer in the war.
This ‘game-changing’ narrative comes courtesy of the same people who burned though trillions of dollars to secure Afghanistan and Iraq. And we saw how that went down.
Ukraine is the Holy Grail of international corruption. That $40 billion can be a game-changer for only two classes of people: First, the US military-industrial complex, and second, a bunch of Ukrainian oligarchs and neo-connish NGOs, that will corner the black market for weapons and humanitarian aid, and then launder the profits in the Cayman Islands.
A quick breakdown of the $40 billion reveals $8.7 billion will go to replenish the US weapons stockpile (thus not going to Ukraine at all); $3.9 billion for USEUCOM (the ‘office’ that dictates military tactics to Kiev); $5 billion for a fuzzy, unspecified “global food supply chain”; $6 billion for actual weapons and “training” to Ukraine; $9 billion in “economic assistance” (which will disappear into selected pockets); and $0.9 billion for refugees.
US risk agencies have downgraded Kiev to the dumpster of non-reimbursing-loan entities, so large American investment funds are ditching Ukraine, leaving the European Union (EU) and its member-states as the country’s only option.
The estimates I've read is that approx. $6bb will go to Ukraine "weapons and training". Meaning less than $6bb will go to a piece of equipment that kills Russians. The rest is for LGBTQIA2+ counseling services, diversity training, building schools for young girls to get them more interested in STEM, family planning (abortion) services. You know, the usual NGO claptrap.
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/wapo-stunning-first-admits-catastrophic-conditions-collapsing-morale-ukraine-forces-front
In Stunning Shift, WaPo Admits Catastrophic-Conditions, Collapsing-Morale Of Ukraine Front-Line Forces
With Russia's war in Ukraine now in its fourth month, mainstream media consumers have been treated to seemingly endless headlines and analysis of Russia's extensive military losses. At the same time Ukrainian forces have tended to be lionized and their battlefield prowess romanticized, with essentially zero public information so far being given which details up-to-date Ukrainian force casualties, set-backs, and equipment losses.
But for the first time The Washington Post is out with a surprisingly dire and negative assessment of how US-backed and equipped Ukrainian forces are actually fairing. Gone is the rosy idealizing lens through which each and every encounter with the Russians is typically portrayed. WaPo correspondent and author of the new report Sudarsan Raghavan underscores of the true situation that "Ukrainian leaders project an image of military invulnerability against Russia. But commanders offer a more realistic portrait of the war, where outgunned volunteers describe being abandoned by their military brass and facing certain death at the front."
This is the war the Biden administration wants to last for years.
What do you expect them to do? The last time an administration suggested the U.S. should see a benefit from providing support to Ukraine, the President was impeached.
Question for the boy in the magic underwear: do you believe the election was stolen from Trump?
Eat shit and die, asshole.
I didn’t know you were Mormon Sevo? Did you convert after you realized you were too much of a pussy to drink?
I have answered that question directly before. Your inability to process it is a manifestation of your lefty programming.
And it's not that the underwear is magic, dumbass. It is a symbolic garment, which, in some form, is a characteristic of nearly every religion. Do you mock Catholics for wearing a crucifix? Do you mock Christmas trees, eggs at Easter and people with a fish sticker on their car? If not, then go fuck yourself, you worthless hypocrite.
I mock Easter eggs because they’re stupid.
Comparing your religion to other Christian sects is offensive. They have centuries of beautiful tradition. You have less than 200 years going back to a proven fraud.
Ask your Bishop when you’ll get your second anointing.
Ya Smith originally conceived of the garment for his super secret polygamy club. Then when it got out what he was doing he claimed he had a revelation.
He was a proven fraud. Your religion is a crock of shit and you’re evil for supporting it being forced on people.
If the Christian god is real all Mormons will burn in hell.
Texas DPS comes clean
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/officers-waited-engage-texas-school-shooter-because-they-could-have-been-shot-official
Update (1250ET): In a very emotional and defensive press conference this morning, Texas DPS Director Steven McCraw admitted said the decision of officers to wait to enter the building was the "wrong" one.
"In retrospect, from where I am sitting from right now, clearly there were kids in the room. It's important for live saving proposes to immediately get there and render aid," McCraw said.
"Of course it was not the right decision, it was the wrong decision."
What he's not saying is that had he known he would have made the same decision because officer safety is more important than public safety.
Politically it was the wrong decision. However it is police policy to let people die before putting officers in danger. Their lives are important. Yours' are not.
Fire every person who knew, should have known or had any hand in it or was supposed to know.
Eliminate their pensions as you do it. Done deal