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NPR Tries To Cancel Stoner Metal Legend Matt Pike

An exhaustive profile of the Sleep and High on Fire frontman focuses almost entirely on his "dangerous" affinity for David Icke's lizard people conspiracy theories.

Christian Britschgi | 5.25.2022 4:35 PM

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Music journalist Grayson Haver Currin really wants you to know that stoner metal pioneer Matt Pike—best known for his shirtless live performances, bigfoot hunting videos, and hour-long, single-song concept albums about pot-smoking mystics traveling across an alien desert—harbors some weird, problematic, and even "dangerous" beliefs.

Last week, NPR published Currin's lengthy profile of Pike, a founding member of seminal bands Sleep and High on Fire, which focused almost entirely on Pike's affinity for conspiracy theorist David Icke and how journalists and fans can best hold him accountable for that grave sin.

Icke's worldview is a strange brew that posits a conspiracy of extraterrestrial reptiles is secretly running the world. He's also attracted accusations of being an antisemite for including the Rothchilds, the Israeli government, and Zionists generally in this conspiracy, arguing that revisionist histories of the Holocaust should be taught in schools, and that the Anti-Defamation League runs front right-wing groups to discredit people who try to blow the whistle on the wider lizard people conspiracy.

Pike's frequent invocations of Icke's various theories in his lyrics and interviews aren't anything new. As Currin notes, it's something journalists (including himself) have found humorous or charming over the years.

No longer, it seems.

In February, Pike gave an interview to Quietus in which he elaborated on his Ickism alongside other heterodox beliefs about Earth's shifting magnetic poles, the worrying rise of automation, and the pandemic being used as an excuse for a massive transfer of wealth from poor to the rich.

That interview sparked a minimal amount of Twitter outrage, which later morphed into Bandcamp Daily—the journalistic side of the eponymous music hosting site—pulling an article featuring Pike talking about his favorite albums.

That's all culminated in Currin's article from last week, in which the writer argues that music journalism's newfound mission of speaking truth to power chords requires a reevaluation of Pike and his place in polite metal society.

"In recent years, there has been so much conversation—within metal and, of course, far beyond it—about how a fan might and even should respond when an artist they adore does something they find odious or dangerous," writes Currin. "I could ask Pike what he believed and why he believed it. That was my first responsibility. And only then, I could decide if I were going to remain a fan—or, perhaps, back away."

The article is part traditional artist profile, part social justice-infused exposé. It's long and repetitive and neither Pike nor Currin comes off particularly well in it.

Currin spends a lot of time quizzing Pike on precisely which conspiracy theories he believes (apparently all of them, including some involving "Zionist bankers") and then expressing frustration when the artist doesn't immediately apologize for those beliefs or grok the real-world violence they're supposedly inspiring.

"The freedom to talk about antisemetic conspiracy theories without consequence might seem of little import to people worried instead about, say, survival. [Pike] would get worked up whenever I said as much, then apologize."

Pike tells Currin that he isn't a racist and that his freedom of speech to discuss lizard people is being crushed.

There's much about the profile that often seems just mean-spirited. Pike rarely says anything in the article. Instead, he "stammers," "whimpers," and "growls." Currin also acts like he's doing Pike a favor by giving him a chance to repent for unfavorable views that his article is also casting in the worst possible light and then broadcasting to the world:

"I was offering him the chance to exculpate himself, but he didn't seem to know what he actually believed, as if he were just offering up provocations without considering the way they interacted with one another or, frankly, reality."

Nothing about the NPR profile of Pike will surprise people who have been following the various permutations of cancel culture throughout the media. It's part of a particular trend in music journalism that sees as much value in "taking down bad actors" as it does in celebrating good art.

That shift in focus can be useful if it involves uncovering truly heinous or criminal actions of artists. Too often, it instead seems to collapse into refereeing weird or obnoxious behavior that has no wider effect on the world.

When applied to extreme and underground music, it can be truly destructive to the art itself. If an artist is going to be active in a scene, venues will need to book them, fans will need to buy their t-shirts, streaming platforms will need to carry their content, and reviewers will need to appraise and promote their new albums.

That all requires people to have some level of comfort associating with the person making the music. And that can't happen if fans, journalists, and anyone else who engages with their content is expected to, first and foremost, vet, challenge, and reject their most absurd, off-putting, or offensive beliefs.

There's a trade-off between ostracizing people with weird or even bad views and maintaining a thriving artistic scene where creators have the social license to experiment and push boundaries.

We seem to understand this in more mainstream contexts. Alice Walker's Pulitzer Prize-winning novels are still taught in schools, despite her far more persistent, and far more explicitly antisemitic defense of Icke's work, for instance.

It's particularly true of alternative or extreme genres of music. Weird music requires weird people. In Pike's case, It's hard to imagine making 10-minute-long songs about Babylonian Gods and marijuana moon miners if you're not a bizarre conspiracy theorist.

Cracking down on those weird people, or having incredibly specific standards for the kinds of weirdness they can express or indulge, inescapably means a crackdown on weird music. Fewer Matt Pikes means fewer bands like Sleep and High on Fire.

The corollary is that the continued production of weird and good music requires a pretty broad tolerance of people with weird or even bad beliefs.

For the record, it doesn't sound like Pike is a bad person. He just sounds like an odd duck. In the Quietus interview, he acknowledges as much while also describing himself as an "anarchist libertarian" that wants to be left alone.

That seems like a reasonable enough request.

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  1. 67stingray   3 years ago

    Not the stoner metal legend Matt Pike!
    Next they'll be coming for Britschgi's favorite pirate metal band.

    1. Hardfloor   3 years ago

      I for one appreciate the correct use of the word “grok”.

  2. JohnZ   3 years ago

    Time to cancel all taxpayer funding for NPR.

    1. Yatusabes   3 years ago

      Tipper Gore, is that you?

    2. Uncle Jay   3 years ago

      Oh no!
      Don't defund NPR.
      Where else can I get such ridiculous and asinine leftist bullshit so often?

      1. Sevo   3 years ago

        CNN?

      2. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        Twitter? MSNBC? Every university everywhere?

      3. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

        Everywhere?

      4. 67stingray   3 years ago

        https://www.npr.org/donations/support

      5. Jerry B.   3 years ago

        That'd be the Washington Post.

    3. Moonrocks   3 years ago

      That time was decades ago.

    4. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

      Why are we paying for that garbage at all? There is so much content available. Why do taxpayers need to foot the bill.

  3. Don't look at me!   3 years ago

    Thoughts, lyrics and ideas are dangerous.

  4. Zeb   3 years ago

    Oh, I forgot about Sleep. Very appropriately named band, I thought.

    Metal guitarists are supposed to believe ridiculous things. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    1. CE   3 years ago

      Another story on a musician and alien technology:

      https://nypost.com/2019/09/30/alien-hunters-led-by-blink-182s-tom-delonge-claim-theyve-found-ufo-material/

      And he scored 750K from the US Army to use the alien material to help improve military vehicles.

  5. Dillinger   3 years ago

    >>pandemic being used as an excuse for a massive transfer of wealth from poor to the rich

    truth is light.

    1. Zeb   3 years ago

      Yeah, he nailed that one.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      And since so many other conspiracy theories seem to be coming true, I'm not sure I can rule out the Lizard People.

      1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

        I would have ruled it out until Taylor Lorenz admitted she drinks gallons of water and likes her apartment at 87 degrees.

        Now I'm not so sure.

  6. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

    If the Lizard people are not running the world and this is just a goofy fantasy, why are the powers that be so worried about people saying they do? The best way to give a conspiracy theory credence is to act guilty. Our government and its media toadies never seem to understand that.

    1. CE   3 years ago

      And why the sudden push to use crickets as food?

      1. Briggs Cunningham   3 years ago

        Because the elites of the West hate everyone and want them to be miserable, poor, and compliant. They may not be lizard people, but even if they were, what difference would it make?

        1. Minadin   3 years ago

          Alien lizard people might be an improvement.

          1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

            I for one, welcome our new reptilian overlords. As a loyal subject, I can help them truck down democrats to toil for them in their swamp work camps.

  7. Yatusabes   3 years ago

    NPR continues to compete with Tomás de Torquemada, in trying to bludgeon all Americans into embracing their woke religion. Alas, Dante wrote about these empty souls:

    “And I — my head oppressed by horror — said:
    "Master, what is it that I hear? Who are
    those people so defeated by their pain?"
    And he to me: "This miserable way
    is taken by the sorry souls of those
    who lived without disgrace and without praise.
    They now commingle with the coward angels,
    the company of those who were not rebels
    nor faithful to their God, but stood apart.
    The heavens, that their beauty not be lessened,
    have cast them out, nor will deep Hell receive them —
    even the wicked cannot glory in them.”

    ― Dante Alighieri, Inferno

    https://digitaldante.columbia.edu/dante/divine-comedy/inferno/inferno-3/

    1. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

      They now commingle with the coward angels,
      the company of those who were not rebels
      nor faithful to their God, but stood apart.

      The sad thing is, it's people like Currin who are convinced they're the "rebels". He's a #resistance journalist in his own head.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        It's pretty funny how much of the left still thinks they are the counterculture fighting the man.

    2. 67stingray   3 years ago

      But Dante was Islamophobic!

  8. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   3 years ago

    "Icke's worldview is a strange brew that posits a conspiracy of extraterrestrial reptiles is secretly running the world"

    If npr history tells me, if they are censoring this then in about 6 weeks lizard aliens will be discovered in high beurocrat positions in dc

    1. Mother's Lament   3 years ago

      Doesn't Sqrlsy often talk about this lizard people thing?

      1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

        He probably thinks he is one. When in reality he’s just suffering from a variety of mental and physical genetic abnormalities. SQRLSY is one of God’s mistakes.

  9. Longtobefree   3 years ago

    Christian, you need to stop paying attention to NPR.

  10. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    David Icke's

    WHO?!!

    1. Cal Cetín   3 years ago

      Harold's grandson.

      Source: My butt.

  11. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Music journalist Grayson Haver Currin

    Ah, it all becomes clear.

    I was listening to a podcast with one of the guys from a band called "Mumford and Sons" who got canceled and quit the band to protect his bandmates from the incoming Twitter barrage he was receiving after he liked the wrong tweet or something literally as innocuous.

    I don't know much about Mumford and Sons other than I think they're some kind of Americana-nostalgia type of band. Anyhoo, what he said in the interview was telling. He talked about how awful the music industry had become and how unfocused on music it had become. He told an anecdote about he had been on a tour in 2015 and during interviews, every question the band got from music journalists was about music. They did another tour in 2018 and every question they got was about politics. That was his first sign that something was very wrong.

    I turned off NPR in like 2014 or 2015 and never looked back. I'm more intelligent and more informed because of it. The only thing they get from me now is my tax dollars.

    1. Stuck in California   3 years ago

      I used to like some NPR things. Specifically weekends. Away with words, Pairie Home Companion/Live from Here, and the other oddball interesting shows.

      Now you can't even turn it on when driving somewhere on a Saturday that they aren't hard on the woke messaging. Trump broke them. Like, unfixably broken. Everything is on message, and the message is freakishly leftist. Even marketplace is socialist now, I think the last time I heard it was last year when Kai Risdal was harping on about how inflation was transitory, as though he was Janet Yellen's mouthpiece reading from cue cards the administration had prepared.

      They were always a little annoying, but now they're fucking insane.

      1. Zeb   3 years ago

        I used to enjoy the weekend entertainment stuff too. But you are right about it now. I sometimes still listen to the NPR news while driving because I feel like I should have some exposure to what mainstream news is reporting (and not reporting).

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

        I stepped back from NPR when they dumped Prairie Home over some metoo BS. When Trump got elected in 2016 they went full on insane. It was bizzaro world. That was it for me.

        1. Salted Nuts   3 years ago

          Yep. Pretty much same timing.

  12. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    So in summary, a tatted-up, long-hair rock-and-roll guitar player believes in some weird shit and NPR loses their shit over it. Yeah, lefties, you're so fucking far from being the cool kids anymore, you should stop pretending.

    1. Obese American   3 years ago

      You're so desperate to be cool, you'll excuse any anti-Semitic bullshit as long as you keep your Anarcho cred. Pathetic.

      1. Big Daddy Gore   3 years ago

        Where's the anti-Semitism?

  13. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    The corollary is that the continued production of weird and good music requires a pretty broad tolerance of people with weird or even bad beliefs.

    Unfortunately it seems that music journalism draws in the same class of journalists that other forms of journalism brings in. So now all art and artists should be producing Socialist Realist Art, and anyone who isn't is guilty of counter-revolutionary activity.

  14. Diane Reynolds (Paul.)   3 years ago

    Here, Currin, are you happy now?

  15. Earth-based Human Skeptic   3 years ago

    How about black-listing all the conspiracy nut jobs who espouse delusional beliefs about communal economies and post-modernist crap questioning objective reality?

  16. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

    If you have to agree with every belief of the musicians you listen to, you're going to have a pretty short playlist.

  17. Obese American   3 years ago

    I love how "Libertarians" think there should be no consequences for anti-Semitic rants. He can say what he wants and he can face the consequences. You fucking suck you wannabe punk piece of shit.

    1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

      I found him to be more borderline insane than antisemitic.

      Still, you have a good point. But just wait, cancel culture is coming for you too.

      "I could ask Pike what he believed and why he believed it. That was my first responsibility. And only then, I could decide if I were going to remain a fan..."-Yuck

    2. Big Daddy Gore   3 years ago

      Matt Pike - anti-Semitic? That's the most asinine thing I've heard all day. If you can point to one anti-Semitic thing he has ever said, let me know. I'll be waiting a lifetime for a response.

    3. handle   3 years ago

      Government-funded propagandists trying to get you cancelled is such liberty

  18. PeteRR   3 years ago

    Isn't NPR's audience chock full of granola-eaters, devotees of crystals, astrology fanatics, and supporters of composting their own human waste? Where do they get off complaining about the odd beliefs of somebody else?

    1. JLM   3 years ago

      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If these people are sincere about canceling everybody that believes some stupid conspiracy theory they're going to need to look close to home.

    2. Zeb   3 years ago

      I'm not sure. I thought those were all dangerous right-wing disinformation spreaders now. Or is that just the "anti-vaxers"?

      I keep telling my hippy weirdo friends who don't like Biden and question the covid vaccines that they are right wing extremists now.

  19. JLM   3 years ago

    Just because Sean Penn has a habit of kissing the asses of various thug dictators doesn't mean I don't get a kick out of Jeff Spicoli. Artists are eccentric. That's life.

  20. Ebannaw   3 years ago

    I think everyone is full of shit. Including everyone posting on this article. Including Matt Pike. Including myself. The most honest thing you can do is admit your full of shit in this twisted world, just like Matt Pike frequently does. That's because he's fucking metal.

    You people and your left-right politics: Doom is upon you all.

    1. Ebannaw   3 years ago

      you're*

    2. JLM   3 years ago

      I posted on this article and I approve this message.

    3. Ignore me!   3 years ago

      I love Sleep and High on Fire, but I've never even momentarily considered what Matt Pike's point of view on pretty much anything might be. Aren't stoners *supposed* to think stupid shit?

  21. swillfredo pareto   3 years ago

    Music journalist Grayson Haver Currin

    I am genuinely surprised he was able to find work after what he did to Jackie Coakley.

  22. Use the Schwartz   3 years ago

    You can't spell culture war without "cult."

    Somehow it's okay when The Squad talks about Zionists while carrying water for Hamas. If Matt is an anti-semite he just needs to learn to say the right words, then he'll fit right in with the modern Left.

  23. NOYB2   3 years ago

    I thought it was a conspiracy theory too… until I started noticing Psaki’s tongue flicking.

    1. NOYB2   3 years ago

      https://youtube.com/shorts/9Ho7rO8nBos?feature=share

  24. Art Stone   3 years ago

    The number one rule of conspiracies: the lack of evidence is the strongest proof that the conspiracy is true!

  25. Rageforthemachine   3 years ago

    Am I the only one who is concerned that everyone else seems to have more of a problem with the fact that David Icke is claiming the Lizard people who are running the world are Jewish, rather than that David Icke is claiming that the Lizard people running the Earth are...well Lizard people? I would have thought Lizard people would be enough to push that idea into problematic territory, but I guess welcome to 2022.

    1. Quicktown Brix   3 years ago

      Anti-reptite

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

      Look the Jew thing just isn't plausible. Everybody knows you can't circumcise a lizard.

  26. Cal Cetín   3 years ago

    "In recent years, there has been so much conversation—within metal and, of course, far beyond it—about how a fan might and even should respond when an artist they adore does something they find odious or dangerous"

    Oh, no, cancelling every metal guy who does something odious or outrageous!

    It will be the end of metal! All that Satanism and sex is catching up to them!

    Oh, wait, we're talking about the reaction of woke audiences. So long as they allow Satan the right to define xir own gender, it's all good.

    1. Sarcasmic’s Welfare Caseworker   3 years ago

      The woke aren’t into metal. They’re way too faggy.

    2. Cal Cetín   3 years ago

      Oh, dangerous not outrageous.

      Well, that still leaves odious.

      As for dangerous, I had no idea metal artists ever did anything dangerous. /sarc

  27. Bof   3 years ago

    In a few years, all bands will probably have a profile somewhere written by music journalists where you can learn about all their beliefs and dangerous opinions and why we should avoid certain artists. What a bunch of freaking idiots.

  28. Bobby Tables   3 years ago

    JFC what a bunch of whiny idiots writing and commenting here

  29. Michel de Montaigne   3 years ago

    If he just wants to be left alone, how can he be cancelled?

  30. Gaear Grimsrud   3 years ago

    Back in the day, I was a huge fan of Django Reinhardt. Really still think he was the greatest guitar player even though there have been a whole lot of great ones since. Anyway I read a biography or something making the case that he was a Nazi collaborator. Seems that despite the fact that he was a Gypsy, not only did they not fuck with him, they showed up at Le Hot Club to hear the music and they bought drinks for the band in abundance. Hanging out with Nazis was not considered woke back then and he had his detractors in the press but the band played on. And left behind an epic body of work. I didn't give a shit what his politics were. Put the needle on the vinyl and turn it up.

    1. Big Daddy Gore   3 years ago

      Great sentiment.

      Imagine needing all of the art you consume to be made by artists that share your same ideology! What a dull world.

  31. Noodles123   3 years ago

    David Ike is a quack and a ridiculous conspiracy theorist!

    Who most likely is 100% correct.

    The Elites are moving all of us like pieces on a gameboard...NOTHING is what you think it is.

    We are basically energy cows for the Elites...We think we're free, but they use our energy, life force and our labor.

    We are cattle to the Elites...Wake up and stop being manipulated back to sleep.

  32. Big Daddy Gore   3 years ago

    The establishment media and its ilk are the new church ladies.

  33. PedroMartinez1   3 years ago

    No offense although, looking at Pike's photo, I would have to say there really are lizard people.

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